SUPREME COURT STRIKES DOWN SAME SEX MARRIAGE BANS

[veritas]

Wrong.

wrong 2x

read teh King James Bible. one year. 3 chapters a day.

I promise.

What happens when we die?

[Destroyer]

ask me 10 minutes after I die

[dead man]

i love how you guys are having the same argument for the nth time in 2 simultaneous threads.

[Inno]

I don't appreciate you judging me bro.

Coming from a guy who calls people on here dirt?


Yeah continue trolling.


Its a shame you have to use god as your angle to troll.


Seems lazy to me.

[Urban Dialect]

Homo sexuality is just another type of Sexual Perversion that people wanna justify as normal behavior
These people have absolutely no self control when it comes to sex
“you ever been fucked in the ass, nigga?”
Then you are not a freak, but these people are
And your girl’s finger doesn’t count Hush, so shut up
It’s all a fucking mental diseases
Taking on the personality of another gender, acting and talking like a bitch
And you motherfuckers think its ok, like its normal and shit
And how much easier would it be for a normal person to entertain this perverted behavior if it’s considered the norm and accepted.
All confused claiming they’re bi, a lot of females role like this…
A lot of you have taken psychology and already know about “conditioning” which is the reason you can’t just sit back and act like it’s not directly effecting you, because it is.. You’re seeing it more and more on your TV.
The point I’m trying to make is hard to explain and requires a little wisdom and understanding of psychology, but this decision will impact your life in some form
America is full of perverts, and it’s clear by the passing of this bill, congress is full of homosexuals, the same as was in Rome

[Witty]

Lmfao I have never understood how anyone can get so angry about buttsecs.

[uh-oh]

i agree that i think its a mental PROBLEM in humans, and a perversion or whatever

i just don't see how a bunch of weirdo's plugging eachothers butts effects me.

when you come from a religious standpoint i guess its easier to get mad about it? but as normal logical human it just doesnt matter to me what other people want to fuck.

i think its just as weird as banging dogs or horses or a chicken cutlet

as long as they don't try to bang my butthole, or my dog or horses or chicken cutlets do you.

if it was something harmful to society on the whole i would be against it, i just don't see it. let them frolic around and be fairies all they want as long as they spend there money they are taxed on and die of aids before they can collect the social security they paid into

[Split Eight]

[QUOTE=Urban Dialect;497404]Homo sexuality is just another type of Sexual Perversion that people wanna justify as normal behavior
These people have absolutely no self control when it comes to sex

[Split Eight]

[QUOTE=Urban Dialect;497404]Homo sexuality is just another type of Sexual Perversion that people wanna justify as normal behavior
These people have absolutely no self control when it comes to sex

Edit: fuck VB for fucking this post up

[millz]

Some day people like veritas and urban dialect will die off and the world will be a better place for it.


And lmao at Christians pose no threat from a biological basis to the end of humanity. Have you ever heard of this giant problem called OVERPOPULATION. too many people. Not enough resources. Everyone dies. If we want to pretend that gay couples cannot naturally have children then I find it kind of funny that by this logic they are slowly righting the ship away from human extinction saving humanity from the disease of Christianity thus allowing the idiots to continue being idiots. PERFECT

[oats]

@uh oh the "Jesus never existed" argument is a lot stronger tbh. I'm working under the assumption that the Bible is 100% true for this argument, because theologically it is enough to settle the debate for religious folk.

As far as scripture says, Jesus never set out to be a political activist, and never charged any disciples with political activism. as @veritas pointed out, Jesus came to save people, not to judge them, or constrict their legal freedoms. hence, christian campaigning in political realms is very much opposed to Jesus' actions per the Bible (and ironically, very un-American from a historical perspective).

I'm not saying Jesus would have supported gay marriage laws, I'm saying he would've broke bread with gay people, as he did with prostitutes and tax collectors, and gone about his business preaching the WORD.

even if jesus wasn't against the romans themselves, he was definately opposed to the puppets of rome.

this is where things are getting conflated. he didn't actively "oppose" anyone, except for a single time when priests were using the church as a marketplace. Jesus was not a revolutionary, in any way shape or form, other than we now consider a following like that political in nature (even though, again, it wasn't).

Jesus' teachings: believe in God, love yourself and your neighbor, obey the law. All Biblical facts. Jesus never said: gay people are extra sinful, make sure you snuff out their wickedness in court rooms and playgrounds across the country at every turn.

[Urban Dialect]

Jesus' teachings: believe in God, love yourself and your neighbor, obey the law. All Biblical facts. Jesus never said: gay people are extra sinful, make sure you snuff out their wickedness in court rooms and playgrounds across the country at every turn.

after jesus would heal someone he would tell them not to sin again..
what is sin?

1 John 3:4
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

The law they are talking about is the law given to them by moses.


what does this law say about gays

leviticus 18:22
22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

just to let you now how extra sinful it was he spoke on it again.


Leviticus 20:13
13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.


in old time the Nicolaitans, I set of christians that believe you didn't have to follow the laws of moses, all you needed was love in your heart, and to love your neighbor as yourself
alot of christians were deceived by this doctrine, in so much the lord brought it up in revelations


Rev 2:14-16
14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.

15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate.

16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

[oats]

not surprised to see you bringing up OT laws, which Jesus abolished (hence why you can get divorced, don't have to sacrifice lambs for forgiveness, don't have to burn a woman's clothes when she's on her period, etc). good try, though.

"for all have sinned and fall short the glory of God." I'm sure you're familiar with this one. Theologically, the purpose is to LOVE the sinner and hate the sin, not try to attack all sinful people's ways of life.

for shits and giggles, hit up Amazon books and google my last name (Stinton) and see how many Biblical scholars are in my family. guys, you won't win this, just stop.

[El Muffin]

Gone @ the enclave of Stintons being a cult of theologians

I don't see why that makes what yoy say correct but I'll let u tell it.

No reply thx

[oats]

lol just to say that I grew up in a family of highly-educated Bible folk, went to church and Christian schools throughout childhood, IE I've been exposed to/learned about the Bible a lot more than most people. though I'm not religious at all, I like religion, and get annoyed when people misrepresent it.

[El Muffin]

Cool cool

[Witty]

Matthew 5:17 - "Don't misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose."

[Destroyer]

lol just to say that I grew up in a family of highly-educated Bible folk, went to church and Christian schools throughout childhood, IE I've been exposed to/learned about the Bible a lot more than most people. though I'm not religious at all, I like religion, and get annoyed when people misrepresent it.

how could you possibly "like" religion?

[Witty]

Many religious people are the kindest and most gentle people I have ever met in my life.

I think they are wrong, and some of their beliefs are outdated...but they are genuinely good people.

Unfortunately, there are many who are not and want to use it as a way to hurt others rather than gain self enlightenment.

[Ghost1]

Plan to finish the bible this year. As it stands I've only ever made it thru the old testament which admittedly was a bit ruff.

[Witty]

Old Testament > New Testament

From a purely entertaining standpoint...shit goes down in the OT.

I've read it front to back a few times, cuz i do weird things like that.

[Amen.]

niggas still going on about sword fighting and pussy grinding.




who cares, yo. 2015 - let's move on, already...

[Victor]

16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

Sounds pretty gay to me

[Witty]

Also, Jesus may not have actually stated it outright, but the things he taught and the way he taught others to live were absolutely considered rebellious by the political leaders of the time. He called out the religious leaders, who in those days were also very important political leaders. He was in favour of an egalitarian society, this was (and still is) extreme liberal thinking and was a clear challenge to the politics of the day.

That is why they killed him.

[Amen.]

can somebody prove Jesus existed?

cause I still have a hard time believing his existence.

and I'm not by any means an atheist but I'd like to see some type of scientific fact that, this man they call the son of GOD existed.

[veritas]

not surprised to see you bringing up OT laws, which Jesus abolished (hence why you can get divorced, don't have to sacrifice lambs for forgiveness, don't have to burn a woman's clothes when she's on her period, etc). good try, though.

"for all have sinned and fall short the glory of God." I'm sure you're familiar with this one. Theologically, the purpose is to LOVE the sinner and hate the sin, not try to attack all sinful people's ways of life.

for shits and giggles, hit up Amazon books and google my last name (Stinton) and see how many Biblical scholars are in my family. guys, you won't win this, just stop.

chess. not checkers. I was waiting for you to bring this up. and of course I will say wrong. Jesus fulfilled the law, not abolished it. he abolished the "ceremonial" aspect of it, such as the sacrifices of animals to atone for sins and keeping the sabbath, why? because he was the sabbath, and his blood would atone for sin, and the goats and rams were mere shadows and types. FURTHERMORE, the moral law was still, and is still very much in effect. Because according to you, he abolished the law, should we just let murder be ok? how about covetousness? Adultery is cool?

you err.

MATTHEW 19: 3 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?

4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
Jesus was a revolutionary. HE was a revolutionary of thought. when he comes back he will be a revolutionary in action.

now then, the real issue here is that God's thoughts on homosexuality is that it is abominable. our courts have gone against God. These are wicked rulers, who feel they are enlightened.

This will provoke God. it is one thing to go against his wishes in the privacy of your own bedroom, and he will deal with you on that, and as I said before, I could care less, because it is between you and him.

BUT, when this is made law it becomes wicked. where nationally we say that wrong is right. this is when we will have a problem.

you err. I will gladly challenge you, and defend the faith.


18

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19

Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21

Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22

Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23

And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24

Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25

Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27

And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28

And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29

Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30

Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31

Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32

Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

THIS IS THE TRUTH. NOT ONLY ARE PEOPLE DOING SOMETHING WORTHY OF DEATH, BUT POLITICIANS ARE HAVING PLEASURE IN IT.

AS i told you before, homosexuality irregardless of whether you agree with God about it being abominable, is still not what God considers marriage, and thus it is fornication in his eyes. THere is no counter for this.

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Revelation 9:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.


AND WHO IS ATTACKING THEM? YOU MEAN DISAGREEING? IS THAT WHAT WE HAVE DESCENDED INTO? CALL UP ORWELL! SOMEONE IS DISAGREEING WITH THE AGENDA! THOUGHT CRIMINALS! THOUGHT CRIMINALS! YOU ERR. I WILL TELL YOU WHO IS ATTACKING GAYS. THE MUSLIMS. GO TELL THEM TO STOP. LET ME KNOW HOW THAT GOES TOUGH GUY. BRO IT IS SIMPLE: I LOVE ALL THE GAYS. I LOVE EVERYONE. HECK MY AUNT IS GAY TBR. BUT WHAT I WILL NOT DO, IS CHANGE WHAT I KNOW IS TRUE TO AVOID HURTING PEOPLES FEELINGS BECAUSE THEY MIGHT GET UPSET BECAUSE THEY ARE WRONG. THAT IS NOT LOVE. IF YOU HAD CHILDREN YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND THIS. TELLING SOMEONE WHAT THEY NEED TO HEAR. THAT IS LOVE.

MY ENTIRE POINT CAN BE SUMMED UP THUSLY: YOU ERR. GOD IS NOT MOCKED. WE HAVE PLACED OUR WICKED LAWS ABOVE HIS. THIS IS FACT.

GOOD SAY SIR.

EDIT: DEAD AT THE GALL AND EGO YOU HAVE TO BRING UP YOUR UNCLES AND THAT THEY ARE BIBLE GUYS. RIOHJAIOJEA;KLJGKLJIOAJ;IOJGK;LAJKLJBKLJR;KLJ

HEY BRO, MY UNCLE IS JAMES MURPHY THE LEADER OF LCD SOUNDSYSTEM...THAT MEANS YOU WILL NEVER BEAT ME AT RECORDING AWESOME AMBIENT GROOVES. DEAD.

[oats]

Witty the chistianese word is that Jesus "fulfilled" the laws of Moses, but I went with abolish since I figured it would be more resonant. Good on you for picking up on that though.
Destroyer my dad is a pastor, and I grew up seeing the ins and outs of church in a pretty thorough way. If anyone should have a grudge against the church, it's someone like me. But I can honestly say that my dads church is one of the most positive places I've ever been to, and the members are genuine, humble people. Religion has been a vehicle to improve their lives in meaningful ways, I got nothing against that.

[Witty]

can somebody prove Jesus existed?

cause I still have a hard time believing his existence.

and I'm not by any means an atheist but I'd like to see some type of scientific fact that, this man they call the son of GOD existed.

There is very little evidence to support his existence, so it is almost impossible to prove.

[oats]

Lol @ Veritas for nitpicking something that I simultaneously and readily explained my purposeful intent of changing. You're a fun troll, V, and I appreciate your presence here. But I no longer have the desire to go back and forth with you.

[Hush]

he's not the troll.. religion is. hes the victim

[veritas]

can somebody prove Jesus existed?

cause I still have a hard time believing his existence.

and I'm not by any means an atheist but I'd like to see some type of scientific fact that, this man they call the son of GOD existed.

where is his body?

if he was just a man, surely the jewish leadership of the day, and the romans would have provided a body to quell the thought revolution.

right?

[veritas]

Lol @ Veritas for nitpicking something that I simultaneously and readily explained my purposeful intent of changing. You're a fun troll, V, and I appreciate your presence here. But I no longer have the desire to go back and forth with you.

wrong.


first you said that he came to abolish the law. that already discredits you from a lack of understanding.

second you erroneously atrributed charateristics to Jesus. YES, he would eat with queers, but no, he would not be for gay marriage.

and if you think that disagreeing is attacking you are a spawn of the NWO and I feel sad for you.

I am not a troll. I promise. you don't have to use that as an excuse to not try and go back and forth with me, but don't use it to discount my words.

I showed you where you erred. I showed your ego as well.

learn from this.

[oats]

I explained why I said "abolished" and also explained how "fulfilled" is the term Christians use, at the exact same time you posted the nitpick rebuttal. I've mentioned several theological points that support what I'm saying, you chose to hone in on a single changing of a word to hinge your argument on.

I never said Jesus would be pro-gay marriage. I said if he was on earth right now, he wouldn't spend his time campaigning against it, he'd be doing real evangelical work and preaching love - like he did according to the Bible. So far, that hasn't been remotely close to getting refuted, only mischaracterized and straw-man'd like crazy.

[veritas]

You err.

Jesus is coming back and he is going to destroy everyone who opposses him. Fact.


I guarantee that the homosexual community and all the politicians behind it's agenda will catch the vapors.

you are backtracking bro. you are trying to subtly change your point.

You err. doing evangelical work also consists of not only exhortation, but rebuke as well. trust me bro.

and love? love is not unconditional, and telling people what they don't want to hear, but need to is the definition of love.

trust me....ask the Stintons.



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[veritas]

scenario: Jesus was here, he was doing evangelical work preaching at local church...your dad's church, fair? can you imagine it?

then two fags walk in and ask him to marry them.

wwjd?

[Diode]

i am disgusted at the reality that i must share an existence with someone like you.

[veritas]

why? ego?

[oats]

ugh, never backtracked, V, you can check for yourself. The initial debate we got into was whether or not Jesus was a political revolutionary, which he wasn't. Why did we get into that debate? because I said exactly what I just repeated: he wouldn't spend his time campaigning against people.

repped Diode

[veritas]

he was a universal preacher bro. He was not the lamb hugger you are painting him to be.


he verbally and physically abused the pharisees and money changers.

he called a samaritan woman a dog.

the disciples were afraid to ask him questions.

IF Jesus was here today on the earth, preaching in churches, he would be against Gay marriage. fact.

HE is a literal revolutionary. Literally. He spent his time campaigning against the pharaisees bro.


you just err.

[Witty]

Jesus would have no part of the churches of today.

He preached egalitarianism, fairness and equality for ALL.

[veritas]

Jesus would have no part of the churches of today.

He preached egalitarianism, fairness and equality for ALL.

you err.


first of all the churches today are far more watered down then they were historically. fact.

second of all, Jesus would tell sinners to repent. Not your nwo message. fact.

[millz]

Some day people like veritas and urban dialect will die off and the world will be a better place for it.


And lmao at Christians pose no threat from a biological basis to the end of humanity. Have you ever heard of this giant problem called OVERPOPULATION. too many people. Not enough resources. Everyone dies. If we want to pretend that gay couples cannot naturally have children then I find it kind of funny that by this logic they are slowly righting the ship away from human extinction saving humanity from the disease of Christianity thus allowing the idiots to continue being idiots. PERFECT



Yup feel even better about this today

[veritas]

You just judged me. I do not appreciate that.

[Inno]

Can we atleast agree jesus was a negro?

[millz]

You just judged me. I do not appreciate that.


That best part about that is that I don't care!

[Amen.]

There is very little evidence to support his existence, so it is almost impossible to prove.

thought so, but thanks bro.

I'll continue to believe what I believe then.

[veritas]

That best part about that is that I don't care!

Oh wow! He guess what though! !?

[Destroyer]

veritas troll game on point
if jesusndidnt exist, where's his body?
hey, Frankenstein body is missing too
I guess he existed
also can't find Lochness monster body
obv it exists then

[Amen.]

lol nigga buggin in here

[Destroyer]

bet part about veritas is he is stating facts about theological mysteries that have baffled scholars for centuries. facts.
just ask him anything you want to know. he clearly is Jesus.

[veritas]

It is just logical.

If he wasnt who he said he was, where is his body? Wouldn't the jews and romans want more than anyting to produce the body?

also, the apostles deaths.....no one is willing to die, let alone horribly, for a lie. They were willing to die terrible deaths...because they knew the truth.

logic.

[uh-oh]

aint jesus supposed to come back on a horse with a sword covered in blood?

REBEL LEADER NIGGAS

VERCINGETERIX 2.O

[Destroyer]

you know another easy way to explain no body?
he wasn't ever real.

[uh-oh]

V the jews might want a body to prove he wasnt the prophecised messiah

but the holy romans of today and the christian romans and byzantines or whatever of the past wouldnt want his body because it would prove he was a mortal and didnt come back from the dead and shit

[uh-oh]

but thats another point, the jews dont embrace jesus because he was a false messiah. he failed and got killed by the romans

the roman god of war MARS shits on the abrahamic god. as well as JUPITER the king of the gods.

the roman gods were just more powerful.

and in modern times the gods of science logic and reason are beating out the christian jewish hindu buddhist etc gods

[veritas]

Uh-oh...your mind is like a hamster stuck to the Gravitron being operated by a sadistic inbred carnie who never stops it.

jeez.

look guys....Veritas says things we cant refute...say he is trolling.

JESUS IS GOD MANIFEST IN THE FLESH. HE IS OUR ONLY SHOT AT HEAVEN BECAUSE WE WILL NEVER STOP SINNING AND WE SHOULD HAVE FAITH THAT HIS GRACE IS SUFFICIENT TO COVER US.

@ DESTRO: TACITUS THE ROMAN HISTORIAN HAD THIS TO SAY:

"Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Jud

[Destroyer]

Lol
you would quote Tacitus

Hey, V, where's all the writing about how the sky opened up when Jesus died and the dead rose from their graves and walked among men

isn't it odd that there's literally not one historic reference to this massive zombie apocalypse?

[veritas]

Lol
you would quote Tacitus

Hey, V, where's all the writing about how the sky opened up when Jesus died and the dead rose from their graves and walked among men

isn't it odd that there's literally not one historic reference to this massive zombie apocalypse?


first. not literal zombies.

next: here is a bunch of info that refutes what you just said that you won't read and even if by a miracle you did, you would still not allow it to enlighten you.

Hostile Non-Biblical Pagan Accounts
There are a number of ancient classical accounts of Jesus from pagan, non-Christian sources. These accounts are generally hostile to Christianity; some ancient authors denied the miraculous nature of Jesus and the events surrounding His life:
Thallus (52AD)
Thallus is perhaps the earliest secular writer to mention Jesus and he is so ancient his writings don’t even exist anymore. But Julius Africanus, writing around 221AD does quote Thallus who previously tried to explain away the darkness occurring at Jesus’ crucifixion:
“On the whole world there pressed a most fearful darkness; and the rocks were rent by an earthquake, and many places in Judea and other districts were thrown down. This darkness Thallus, in the third book of his History, calls, as appears to me without reason, an eclipse of the sun.” (Julius Africanus, Chronography, 18:1)
If only more of Thallus’ record could be found, we might find more confirmation of Jesus’ crucifixion. But there are some things we can conclude from this account: Jesus lived, He was crucified, and there was an earthquake and darkness at the point of His crucifixion.
Tacitus (56-120AD)
Cornelius Tacitus was known for his analysis and examination of historical documents and is among the most trusted of ancient historians. He was a senator under Emperor Vespasian and was also proconsul of Asia. In his “Annals’ of 116AD, he describes Emperor Nero’s response to the great fire in Rome and Nero’s claim that the Christians were to blame:
“Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular.”
In this account, Tacitus confirms several historical elements of the Biblical narrative: Jesus lived in Judea, was crucified under Pontius Pilate, and had followers who were persecuted for their faith in Christ.
Mara Bar-Serapion (70AD)
Sometime after 70AD, a Syrian philosopher named Mara Bar-Serapion, writing to encourage his son, compared the life and persecution of Jesus with that of other philosophers who were persecuted for their ideas. The fact Jesus is known to be a real person with this kind of influence is important. Mara Bar-Serapion refers to Jesus as the “Wise King”:
“What benefit did the Athenians obtain by putting Socrates to death? Famine and plague came upon them as judgment for their crime. Or, the people of Samos for burning Pythagoras? In one moment their country was covered with sand. Or the Jews by murdering their wise king?…After that their kingdom was abolished. God rightly avenged these men…The wise king…Lived on in the teachings he enacted.”
From this account, we can add to our understanding of Jesus: He was a wise and influential man who died for His beliefs. The Jewish leadership was somehow responsible for Jesus’ death. Jesus’ followers adopted His beliefs and lived their lives accordingly.
Phlegon (80-140AD)
In a manner similar to Thallus, Julius Africanus also mentions a historian named Phlegon who wrote a chronicle of history around 140AD. In this history, Phlegon also mentions the darkness surrounding the crucifixion in an effort to explain it:
“Phlegon records that, in the time of Tiberius Caesar, at full moon, there was a full eclipse of the sun from the sixth to the ninth hour.” (Africanus, Chronography, 18:1)
Phlegon is also mentioned by Origen (an early church theologian and scholar, born in Alexandria):
“Now Phlegon, in the thirteenth or fourteenth book, I think, of his Chronicles, not only ascribed to Jesus a knowledge of future events . . . but also testified that the result corresponded to His predictions.” (Origen Against Celsus, Book 2, Chapter 14)
“And with regard to the eclipse in the time of Tiberius Caesar, in whose reign Jesus appears to have been crucified, and the great earthquakes which then took place … ” (Origen Against Celsus, Book 2, Chapter 33)
“Jesus, while alive, was of no assistance to himself, but that he arose after death, and exhibited the marks of his punishment, and showed how his hands had been pierced by nails.” (Origen Against Celsus, Book 2, Chapter 59)
From these accounts, we can add something to our understanding: Jesus had the ability to accurately predict the future, was crucified under the reign of Tiberius Caesar and demonstrated His wounds after he was resurrected.
Pliny the Younger (61-113AD)
Early Christians were also described in early, non-Christian history. Pliny the Younger, in a letter to the Roman emperor Trajan, describes the lifestyles of early Christians:
“They (the Christians) were in the habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before it was light, when they sang in alternate verses a hymn to Christ, as to a god, and bound themselves by a solemn oath, not to any wicked deeds, but never to commit any fraud, theft or adultery, never to falsify their word, nor deny a trust when they should be called upon to deliver it up; after which it was their custom to separate, and then reassemble to partake of food—but food of an ordinary and innocent kind.”
This early description of the first Christians documents several facts: the first Christians believed Jesus was GOD, the first Christians upheld a high moral code, and these early followers met regularly to worship Jesus.
Suetonius (69-140AD)
Suetonius was a Roman historian and annalist of the Imperial House under the Emperor Hadrian. His writings about Christians describe their treatment under the Emperor Claudius (41-54AD):
“Because the Jews at Rome caused constant disturbances at the instigation of Chrestus (Christ), he (Claudius) expelled them from the city (Rome).” (Life of Claudius, 25:4)
This expulsion took place in 49AD, and in another work, Suetonius wrote about the fire which destroyed Rome in 64 A.D. under the reign of Nero. Nero blamed the Christians for this fire and he punished Christians severely as a result:
“Nero inflicted punishment on the Christians, a sect given to a new and mischievous religious belief.” (Lives of the Caesars, 26.2)
There is much we can learn from Suetonius as it is related to the life of early Christians. From this account, we know Jesus had an immediate impact on His followers: They were committed to their belief Jesus was God and withstood the torment and punishment of the Roman Empire. Jesus had a curious and immediate impact on His followers, empowering them to die courageously for what they knew to be true.
Lucian of Samosata: (115-200 A.D.)
Lucian was a Greek satirist who spoke sarcastically of Christ and Christians, but in the process, he did affirm they were real people and never referred to them as fictional characters:
“The Christians, you know, worship a man to this day—the distinguished personage who introduced their novel rites, and was crucified on that account….You see, these misguided creatures start with the general conviction that they are immortal for all time, which explains the contempt of death and voluntary self-devotion which are so common among them; and then it was impressed on them by their original lawgiver that they are all brothers, from the moment that they are converted, and deny the gods of Greece, and worship the crucified sage, and live after his laws. All this they take quite on faith, with the result that they despise all worldly goods alike, regarding them merely as common property.” (Lucian, The Death of Peregrine. 11-13)
From this account we can add to our description of Jesus: He taught about repentance and about the family of God. These teachings were quickly adopted by Jesus’ followers and exhibited to the world around them.
Celsus (175AD)
This is the last hostile, non-Christian account we will examine (although there are many other later accounts in history). Celsus was quite antagonistic to the claims of the Gospels, but in his criticism he unknowingly affirmed and reinforced the Biblical authors and their content. His writing is extensive and he alludes to 80 different Biblical quotes, confirming their early appearance in history. In addition, he admits the miracles of Jesus were generally believed in the early 2nd century:
“Jesus had come from a village in Judea, and was the son of a poor Jewess who gained her living by the work of her own hands. His mother had been turned out of doors by her husband, who was a carpenter by trade, on being convicted of adultery [with a soldier named Panth

[Inno]

veritas troll game on point
if jesusndidnt exist, where's his body?
hey, Frankenstein body is missing too
I guess he existed
also can't find Lochness monster body
obv it exists then

Lmao fucking win

[veritas]

also...fyi: @ innovator and Destro

when the WORD says that they would not repent of their sorceries, the greek word is pharmakeia. where we get pharmacy. You should both stop smoking weed.

[veritas]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMRjSv1gnJ8

[Inno]

also...fyi: @ innovator and Destro

when the WORD says that they would not repent of their sorceries, the greek word is pharmakeia. where we get pharmacy. You should both stop smoking weed.

Brah ama tell you this and i hope it offends you irl. Like srslyoffends you to point you grow hair.


Fuck you and your god. I dont care for your philosophy or ideology. Why would i take spiritual advice(lol) from some one off the internet ive never met?

Why would i do that? Faith?


Also.

I don't appreciate you judging me for smoking weed brah. Not cool

[veritas]

YOU JUDGED ME FIRST. REPENT OF YOUR SORCERIES.


REPENT.


IT IS NOT ME YOU SHOULD BE WORRIED ABOUT OFFENDING BUT GOD.

FROM A PSYCHOLOGY STANDPOINT YOU ARE MENTALLY WEAK.

THAT IS FROM ME.

GOD WANTS YOU TO REPENT.

[Diode]

https://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/11666263_10152920210466863_1032920235285198900_n.j pg?oh=d49061e475c439e3373e2aebb196403c&oe=5631B67D

Stone Cold >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> V

[veritas]

https://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/11666263_10152920210466863_1032920235285198900_n.j pg?oh=d49061e475c439e3373e2aebb196403c&oe=5631B67D

Stone Cold >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> V


bro, you know I would love to put over STeve....but I can't on that. He sounding ignorant right there. IGnorant of grace. Ignorant of the Word. I appreciate your hate for me guiding you to that.


who hurt you?

[Split Eight]

God can fuck straight off. All he's done is ruined lives because a few people refuse to let him go

If no one ever believed in God, the world would be a better place.

Fair,?-)!?

[uh-oh]

can we all agree that dudes sucking dicks and fucking dude butts is gross and move on?

[millz]

can we all agree that dudes sucking dicks and fucking dude butts is gross and move on?



Since your instrumental release and the passing of gay marriage my desire to buttfuck you has risen 1000%.


I may just have to drive to Canton this weekend and sodomize your chili ring on Merica's Birthday!

What say you?

[Witty]

It is absolutely gross to me, but I fully support their right to be gross.

[Urban Dialect]

lol, gay marriage is a stepping stone for a bigger plan, this is all scripture
what your news doesn't report you might find distrubing
and those that know scripture would see clearly prophecy coming to pass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS3sNSgq3zs

[El Muffin]

can we all agree that dudes sucking dicks and fucking dude butts is gross and move on?

Lmao

Wat about trannys

Wat if u got sucked up by a tranny n u ain't kno till after u bust a nut

[veritas]

Mark 7:7-9
Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

[Destroyer]

I counter with Matthew 18:18

[veritas]

Titus 2:2

[Destroyer]

Leviticus 13:41

[veritas]

1 Thessalonians 5:6

[Urban Dialect]

lol, gay marriage is a stepping stone for a bigger plan, this is all scripture
what your news doesn't report you might find distrubing
and those that know scripture would see clearly prophecy coming to pass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS3sNSgq3zs


before the flood they where doing the same thing
creating transhumans and other crazy animals


book of enoch chapter 7


[talking about the angles that fell or today we would call them space aliens]1. And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. 2. And they became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: [now check out what these gaints did] 3. Who consumed all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, 4. the giants turned against them and devoured mankind. [and here is your gene splicing and creating of new animals] 5. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood. 6. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones.



and the women where doing the same thing as today
all before the flood

the book of Jasher chapter 2:19-20


19. For in those days the sons of men began to trespass against God, and to transgress the
commandments which he had commanded to Adam, to be fruitful and multiply in the
earth.
20. And some of the sons of men caused their wives to drink a draught that would render
them barren, in order that they might retain their figures and whereby their beautiful
appearance might not fade.



Atheist or those that claim they don't believe in the bible are full of shit, and really do.. you know how i can tell...

Use the mark of the beast analogy,
Ask, if the government come to you and says, you can’t by are sell anything unless you have this computer chip implanted in your hand, or forehead would you do it?
If they so NO, ask them why Not if you don’t believe in the bible
IF they say yes, put it in me then they truly don’t give a fuck
lol

[Witty]

Yeah cuz if u don't want a chip implanted in your head you clearly secretly believe in jebus!