a lie you hear about christianity

[veritas]

"Oh it has caused the most wars and death..."


truth: There was nothing holy about the holy roman empire. They killed the common folks for wanting to read their bibles, instead of having the priests read it to them. Same goes for the inquisition. If anything, both of these factions were more like the muslims than christians.

truth: The wars that have killed the most people have nothing to do with religion. WWI.....nope. WWII....nope, in fact hitler said that after he killed the jews, he would kill the christians. Korean war....nope. Civil war...nope. Stalin murdering 20 million of his own people...nope.


Truth: there have been over 30 million, yes million documented cases of abortions in this country....my mind staggers to think about the numbers of the entire world....surely this is not a godly thing fair?

truth: Anti-god communistic, political, and eugenics have killed far more people in the last 100 years than Christianity has in it's entire existence.


Have a great day friend!

[veritas]

edit....sorry....58 million abortions. cheers.

[Split Eight]

Let's try and hit 100 million abortions

[Split Eight]

I find that acceptable though.

Before, religion was this crazy fucked up thing that everyone went nuts over because people believed it was tied to their reality

Now, religion is that annoyance that means you can't sleep in on Easter & is something your parents give you to forget for them.

[Witty]

I find that acceptable though.

Before, religion was this crazy fucked up thing that everyone went nuts over because people believed it was tied to their reality

Now, religion is that annoyance that means you can't sleep in on Easter & is something your parents give you to forget for them.

In the Western world, yes.

The reason Christianity is not a threat to peace (as much) these days is because the majority of people do not follow it as closely or as fanatically as they once did.

Islam is a threat, because too many of their followers still do.

[Witty]

We need to embrace the Islamic moderates in places like Iran, which has some of the most liberal thinking young people in the world, instead of branding the entire country 'evil'...if we can get the moderates to be active and educate the generations coming up, the problem will be vastly improved.

[Destroyer]

What you need to do is realize that the ones who are labeled as "fanatics" are the ones who are following what the religion actually says. The ones who are moderate, are not preaching the true religious texts, because they aren't "politically correct" in this era. But religion and politically correctness don't (or shouldn't) go hand in hand. They are moving in the right direction by abandoning things judged archaic and savage. But no one is moving far enough away fast enough. No one is realizing, Hey, maybe it's all just bullshit.

[Destroyer]

I'm pretty sure the "lie" Veritas speaks of is an accusation slung against all religion, not just Christianity.

But, way to act even more persecuted

[veritas]

so, we are missing the point guys.

[Witty]

What you need to do is realize that the ones who are labeled as "fanatics" are the ones who are following what the religion actually says. The ones who are moderate, are not preaching the true religious texts, because they aren't "politically correct" in this era. But religion and politically correctness don't (or shouldn't) go hand in hand. They are moving in the right direction by abandoning things judged archaic and savage. But no one is moving far enough away fast enough. No one is realizing, Hey, maybe it's all just bullshit.

I agree....but if simply not saying it, not preaching it, is all that can happen for now...then that's good enough for me...I have no problem with people believing it...but when they start using it to influence others to discriminate, violently or otherwise, I have a problem.

There are people who are not just omitting it tho, but coming out and saying it is wrong, such as the young people of Iran and other Islamic countries, and we really need to embrace those guys.

[oats]

so, we are missing the point guys.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFlYjb9CykI

[Witty]

I wouldn't say religion is inherently evil, but what I can say from personal experience, is that it creates a mindset that is susceptible to brain washing and therefore susceptible to being drawn in to committing horrifying acts of violence in the name of said religion.

It's all about how/what you learn from a religious standpoint.

[Destroyer]

you realize the whole idea of anything being "inherently evil" is derived directly from religious thought?
We can't even have this discussion free from the brainwashings of religion because it's been going on for so long and so widespread.

[Witty]

you realize the whole idea of anything being "inherently evil" is derived directly from religious thought?
We can't even have this discussion free from the brainwashings of religion because it's been going on for so long and so widespread.

Good point actually.

I don't believe anything or anyone is inherently evil.

Repped.

[Witty]

Also, saying 'well they weren't really acting christian, they were acting more like muslims' is ridiculous, they did it in the name of the religion with the authority of the church.

[fraze]

"Oh it has caused the most wars and death..."


truth: There was nothing holy about the holy roman empire. They killed the common folks for wanting to read their bibles, instead of having the priests read it to them. Same goes for the inquisition. If anything, both of these factions were more like the muslims than christians.

truth: The wars that have killed the most people have nothing to do with religion. WWI.....nope. WWII....nope, in fact hitler said that after he killed the jews, he would kill the christians. Korean war....nope. Civil war...nope. Stalin murdering 20 million of his own people...nope.


Truth: there have been over 30 million, yes million documented cases of abortions in this country....my mind staggers to think about the numbers of the entire world....surely this is not a godly thing fair?

truth: Anti-god communistic, political, and eugenics have killed far more people in the last 100 years than Christianity has in it's entire existence.


Have a great day friend!

I have been more or less a fan until this post. I'm sorry but most of your "facts" here are highly inaccurate and influenced more by your personal biases than any connection to the truth.

Christians get a pass when people pervert the scriptures and kill in God's name, but that doesn't apply to anyone else?

Yes. They Inquisition and the Holy Romans are similar to some modern day Muslims in terms of violence. That was the whole point of this original comparison. Both religions have had periods of mass violence against people with different beliefs. That's entirely the point. Christianity is the same as Islam in this respect

If you're saying those wars had nothing to do with religion you're skimming significant portions of history. Nazism and Communism were reactionary policies that competed with religion for the hearts and minds of followers. That's exactly why they were so opposed to (other) organized religions. In way Nazism and Stalinist Marxism were both religious personality cults built around a charismatic leader (see N. Korea for a modern day example). Maybe not caused by Christianity but the psychological drivers in all the wars you named have the same basis as religious wars.

The Civil War was highly religious as this was a very Christian nation at the time and Biblical narratives were used frequently on both sides for justification of atrocious actions. Slave owners tried to used the Bible to justify slavery in countless cases, you don't have to search hard to find examples.

I'm assuming the last statement was a joke so I won't address it.

Thanks friend!

[Batty]

you realize the whole idea of anything being "inherently evil" is derived directly from religious thought?
We can't even have this discussion free from the brainwashings of religion because it's been going on for so long and so widespread.

This is generally the point where we get to FUCK GRAVITY, LET'S FLY territory and the problem is nobody can actually do that. I mean, we all gotta have some type of code, some type of philosophy to follow (self-created or otherwise). Maybe, a major part of your philosophy is to be anti-religion... and truth is, that can be just as instilled and brainwashed as any other code be it religion or full-on hipsterism.

Check it, one thing y'all aint even touched on is the fact that even within Christianity itself there are tons of denominations. I mean, you lump all of those together in a discussion and you're not going to make any progress. That's assuming that everybody ultimately wants to learn something from dialogue rather than just express anger over something they've learned to despise based on past experiences or again, possibly ... brainwashing?

But yo, on the whole "inherently evil" thing... if you want to dissect it on a more primal, non-philosophical, non-romanticized level. Sure, "evil" is a word we've applied over the years to describe some of our more self-destructive primal instincts, but the bottom line is we are self-destructive... we create bombs that could destroy our entire planet, we kill our own babies, we kill other people's babies and a whole list of other atrocities. I really don't have a problem with somebody pointing that out as "evil" tbh, all semantics aside.

Animals can't do these types of things on this level as a matter a fact, just look at the number of animal species that humans are responsible for wiping out.

[Hush]

Also, saying 'well they weren't really acting christian, they were acting more like muslims' is ridiculous, they did it in the name of the religion with the authority of the church.

Reppp

fraze great point as well



I agree that violence is in our nature and religion is often used as a scape goat or excuse for intolerance
Regardless we would find a reason to kill shit


Point is region more often divides than unites
Especially in the grand scheme

[veritas]

let us focus gents.

the lie we here is that Religion is responsible for all the wars of history, religion is responsible for the most killing.


both are lies.

In terms of brainwashing, I would now argue that the person who cannot see that abortion has killed farrrrrr more people just this year than all "religions" combined ever is the one brainwashed.

I will also elaborate how the holy roman empire and inquisitions were tools of the devil if anyone cares.

The devil can be in church. Look at present day.

Zytorg out.

[veritas]

so can we all now agree that religion is not responsible for all the wars and the most killings? can we agree?

[Hush]

Abortion responsible for more deaths than region
1 yr of abortion
About 6,000 of religious wars at the LEAST


Nah we can't agree so just fuck off

[Destroyer]

I also don't agree that abortion = murder

[Amen.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFlYjb9CykI

yea she bad

[Destroyer]

and I don't necessarily agree that it's in man's nature to kill
maybe it was initially, but there's no reason to take both the viewpoint that we are more than animals and we can't rise above killing each other. There's a lot to be said about religion being one of the reasons we haven't risen above the savagery of needless killing. There's also a lot of debate about how much people have to be influenced before they will rise to such savagery on a massive scale, ie, the holocaust in WW2, systematic slavery in the U.S., etc. It's my personal belief that man is inherently good, which is the opposite of most religious thought.

[Destroyer]

also, every religion looks forward to an ending of it all, an apocalypse, when all of this ends.
why?
short of the eventual heat death of the universe I see no need to assume that it's just all going to come crashing down.
it's the most negative world view you could take about anything.
It's also a pass to allow you to get away with whatever atrocities you commit in the name of said religion because all of this doesn't really matter anyway because it's all gonna end eventually?
nah, fuck that, I rather own my place in this world, my contribution to it, and look toward a future where man perseveres indefinitely

[veritas]

Hush.

I am asking you to agree that there have been more murders from abortion in the last year = 58 million

than all the religious wars in our history.

if you cannot agree to that,

can you agree that there has been far more deaths due to war of just nations fighting nations and abortion than deaths from wars over the name of God?

fair?

[Destroyer]

Veritas, can we agree that if there has been even one innocent death caused by religion in all of history than that is too many?

fair?

[Split Eight]

Hush.

I am asking you to agree that there have been more murders from abortion in the last year = 58 million

than all the religious wars in our history.

if you cannot agree to that,

can you agree that there has been far more deaths due to war of just nations fighting nations and abortion than deaths from wars over the name of God?

fair?
Abortion is not murder

murder is murder

[Destroyer]

Veritas reminds me of my shithead stepdad who cheated on my moms for prolly like 25 years then divorced, immediately remarried and found the church. Hasn't called me in 7 years, but texts me on every religious holiday to wish me "blessings."
fuck out of here with your bleeding heart bullshit, Veritas
there's no such thing as vicarious redemption

[Hush]

Hush.

I am asking you to agree that there have been more murders from abortion in the last year = 58 million

than all the religious wars in our history.

if you cannot agree to that,

can you agree that there has been far more deaths due to war of just nations fighting nations and abortion than deaths from wars over the name of God?

fair?
I'm going to need citations for your statistics. Do you have this?

[Destroyer]

lmfao
knuck agrees with Veritas

you lose

[Batty]

Veritas reminds me of my shithead stepdad who cheated on my moms for prolly like 25 years then divorced, immediately remarried and found the church. Hasn't called me in 7 years, but texts me on every religious holiday to wish me "blessings."
fuck out of here with your bleeding heart bullshit, Veritas
there's no such thing as vicarious redemption

And this perfectly explains your intense hatred for religion. It's understandable, just as much so as the person who had a positive religious experience and now is too blind to acknowledge any of its faults. I think V's whole point in this thread is that people consistently quote untrue things about Christianity, a point that you further drive home if you say that Christianity is just about brainwashing and teaching that people are evil and must be killed in the name of said religion. Those statements do not describe even a small percentage of Christians in the world at all. It basically covers extremists and mental cases.

Veritas, can we agree that if there has been even one innocent death caused by religion in all of history than that is too many?


Some dude accidently killed himself the other day trying to launch fireworks off of his head. That however doesn't mean that fireworks aren't fun to watch.

Think about the state the world would be in if everybody believed there were ZERO consequences for their actions. Any religion that keeps a person somewhat "in-check" for fear of consequences should be welcomed in society. Nobody wants to talk about how fear of "God's wrath" can be all that stop a lot of people from killing, raping and destroying.

Think about it.

[Destroyer]

I knew that would be exactly how that was taken. My disdain for religion came around a long time before that example of hypocrisy which I used above. I came to my own conclusions at a young age that religion was simply a business, which is exactly what it is.
And now, it's a cause for people to commit all kinds of atrocities that they use religious beliefs to justify. Morality isn't derived from religion, Roy, it precedes it.

[Destroyer]

and to simply say 'it has its faults," isn't accurate
it is a fault

[Destroyer]

in contrast, I believe I am the voice of the solution

[Split Eight]

Religious people by and large develop personal beliefs from religion

Peoples' personal beliefs affect how they vote

That shit harms society, considering religion is based on teachings from ancient manuscripts

If you think "oh that's only 5% of religious people like extremists" then you're not talking about religious people, you're talking about avid holy book club enthusiasts

[Batty]

I knew that would be exactly how that was taken. My disdain for religion came around a long time before that example of hypocrisy which I used above. I came to my own conclusions at a young age that religion was simply a business, which is exactly what it is.
And now, it's a cause for people to commit all kinds of atrocities that they use religious beliefs to justify. Morality isn't derived from religion, Roy, it precedes it.

I feel as if all of those things are really beside the point. I'm not going to defend any of the horrible things that have happened in the name of a religion, nor would I try to with slavery or any of the other things that happened before we got where we are now as a race. What do those things have to do with where we are now? Whenever you have trouble acknowledging both pros and cons of some thing, you lose your ability to consider things rationally.

Basically, I see your points and they have merit but you only acknowledge the cons of religion and that isn't rational.

Fair?

[Destroyer]

Roy, when the cons outweigh the pros, that's how something is judged as bad

[Victor]

If that's how you feel

Just know you're part of the problem

Word?

Do tell us what is "the problem "

[Destroyer]

Knuck, if you don't see why this debate is important, why continue to contribute to it?

[Destroyer]

And it's not going to ever change

if that's your belief, then I feel like you're part of the problem

[Batty]

Religious people by and large develop personal beliefs from religion

Peoples' personal beliefs affect how they vote

That shit harms society, considering religion is based on teachings from ancient manuscripts

If you think "oh that's only 5% of religious people like extremists" then you're not talking about religious people, you're talking about avid holy book club enthusiasts

If this were 10 years ago, that would be very spot on. We do have to address the fact that society has changed a lot since those days that you reference. If we have a Democratic president (and we do) we have to seriously consider that the tide has changed (and it has). What bothers me is that the current trend in politics is kinda like a hipster movement. The whole "change" thing, like we just want to change more so than actually considering what our endgame is with the change.

We have a black president... not only can gay people get married but just by admitting you're gay now makes you a "hero"... confederate flags are banned... the majority of folks are cool with abortion... and so on and so on.

So why are people still mad about the past if the majority of people are so progressive now?

Is there anybody here that doesn't plainly see how the oppressed could ultimately one day be the oppressors themselves?



Before you answer, consider the lessons learned through our history...

https://scottystarnes.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/democrats-are-racist-vik-battaile-republican-lincoln-politics-1347148728.jpg

[Destroyer]

My problem is that religion is made up bullshit that's it.
nothing should ever be influenced by it because it's just stories
it's great stories, don't get me wrong, but so is Harry Potter
it doesn't mean Hogwarts is real, and certainly doesn't mean that people should organize into factions representing the four schools of hogwarts and battle each other for supremacy because they believe in the philosophies of Ravenclaw over Slytherin.
And following the Bible is equally ridiculous because it has just about as much merit, maybe even less considering its extensive edits. But, it's a childish idea the idea of a father figure in the sky looking down on us all. It's infantile thinking and I believe for man to progress into what we truly can be, it needs to be left behind and labeled as such.

[Victor]

Yeah. Being absolute is for idiots. I don't think anyone is saying religion is the SOLE factor in wars/violence.. But I think anyone who is a subjective human can agree it IS a contributing factor.


So is goverment.


Goverment=religion

Same shit. Same pros and cons.

One can fuel the other.

[Batty]

Roy, when the cons outweigh the pros, that's how something is judged as bad

Word and trust Destro, I'd feel that if you spoke more tolerant of it and been more like "it just ain't for me personally". That's how I am about gay marriage, I have no right to decide what others should do, it just aint for me personally.

I got no beef with either side until they step too far, like I don't care if people start praying or thanking God or whatever but if they come at me on some "Imma smite you in tha name of Jesus!!", then I'm bout to shoryuken a nigga into Valhalla.

At some point within recent years, morals and belief systems in general have been replaced across the board with fanboyism. I don't think that outside of hatred or the desire to be "a part of some thing", there is much that drives the majority of people to their life choices these days.

show me the men who are willing to stand alone even if everybody else is against their point of view.

[Destroyer]

"Violent, irrational, intolerant, allied to racism and tribalism and bigotry, invested in ignorance and hostile to free inquiry, contemptuous of women and coercive toward children: organized religion ought to have a great deal on its conscience."

[Destroyer]

I would gladly take the "it just ain't for me personally" viewpoint but I feel the need to answer directly to the proselytizing of Veritas.

[uh-oh]

hey guys i have much to say about all of this.

i hate when these discussions pop off when im at work tho.

when i get home i will thoroughly break down existence the human psyche and religions point of being

but for the main point of this thread you all missed, veritas is claiming abortions took more lives than anyone PARADING as being christian.

a true christian would never kill unless god himself commands him to. like abraham and his son. or whatever

a false leader like a pope cannot order a crusade because it is inherently not christian to kill others

also the organised church as a whole isnt christian.

but word ill school all you brainwashed dummies when i get home. the religious and non religious amongst THEE

[Split Eight]

If this were 10 years ago, that would be very spot on. We do have to address the fact that society has changed a lot since those days that you reference. If we have a Democratic president (and we do) we have to seriously consider that the tide has changed (and it has). What bothers me is that the current trend in politics is kinda like a hipster movement. The whole "change" thing, like we just want to change more so than actually considering what our endgame is with the change.

The end game is to fix all the outdated policies and laws that aren't representative of freedom, equality, and the rights granted to people in the US Constitution.


We have a black president... not only can gay people get married but just by admitting you're gay now makes you a "hero"... confederate flags are banned... the majority of folks are cool with abortion... and so on and so on.

Confederate flags aren't being banned except in government institutions. Being gay makes you oppressed, and standing up to the adversity of being oppressed does make you brave. Not coexisting with oppression, but fighting against it and for yourself, makes you brave.


Is there anybody here that doesn't plainly see how the oppressed could ultimately one day be the oppressors themselves?


If you're implying that white, straight, Christian folks are going to be oppressed against you're out of your goddamn mind.

We're moving towards tolerance not a new majority.

https://scottystarnes.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/democrats-are-racist-vik-battaile-republican-lincoln-politics-1347148728.jpg

OK

Personally I don't know enough about history to talk about much of anything in the past outside of broad generalization or what I research on the spot

I don't think former political stances of a Party are really relevant once the people that actively hold those positions retire

[Split Eight]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22bo6CKJcJM

repped

lmaaoooo

[Batty]

The end game is to fix all the outdated policies and laws that aren't representative of freedom, equality, and the rights granted to people in the US Constitution.

And thus the contradiction.

http://www.usconstitution.net/states_god.html

How can you possibly just "update" something to the point that it violates what it was written upon?


And before it becomes just an "America" argument...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_references_to_God


Confederate flags aren't being banned except in government institutions. Being gay makes you oppressed, and standing up to the adversity of being oppressed does make you brave. Not coexisting with oppression, but fighting against it and for yourself, makes you brave.


WRONG. Items featuring confederate flags are being banned or censored on ebay. The Dukes of Hazard was pulled from rotation and NASCAR is already asking fans to not fly the flags at events as well as offering trade-ins for American flags at events. Teams with "Rebels" logos are being edited, most notably the Ole Miss Rebels becoming Black Bears now and removing the Rebel Colonel mascot. This is just to name a few, but clearly this is a movement with some force behind it, right?

If you're implying that white, straight, Christian folks are going to be oppressed against you're out of your goddamn mind.

We're moving towards tolerance not a new majority.



If you don't think this has already begun, YOU'RE out of your goddamn mind, bro. How about a guesstimate? if you did a poll right now, how much of America do you think would actually consider there to be more corrupt cops than actual criminals out there? One man's "tolerance" eventually ends up as another man's oppression. History repeats itself, there's no escaping that fact.

OK

Personally I don't know enough about history to talk about much of anything in the past outside of broad generalization or what I research on the spot

I don't think former political stances of a Party are really relevant once the people that actively hold those positions retire

It's easy to find actual documental evidence of these things, you can bank on it tbh.

and that last sentence of yours... if that were true, people wouldn't still be bitching about shit like slavery, confederate flags and holy wars.

[Destroyer]

the confederate flag should have been removed years ago
it's a fucking flag of a treasonous movement against the current acting Union
it should be viewed as such without even taking its original or current meanings into consideration

[Batty]

the confederate flag should have been removed years ago
it's a fucking flag of a treasonous movement against the current acting Union
it should be viewed as such without even taking its original or current meanings into consideration

sounds like opinion disguised as fact.

try this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America

If it helps, I personally do not give a shit about the flag... I don't own one, never flown one, never have and never will. I personally think it's stupid...

HOWEVER, I think it is outright fucking retarded to try and tell groups of people that they can't use it or deem it offensive based on opinion over facts.

I think for some people it's historical, I can understand both sides but again, do we even consider the endgame? What does this set in motion in regards to freedom of expression and our rights?

I'd rather ban the American flag personally, it was flown in drone strikes by our Democratic president that resulted on tons of innocent deaths of middle eastern kids. These are atrocities that happened during our lifetime that we should have more of a personal feeling towards.

Too soon?

[Destroyer]

tell me how saying that it's treasonous is an opinion
it's a flag flown by the south while attempting to succeed from the Union, the Union which still exists today
it's the definition of treason

[Split Eight]

And thus the contradiction.

http://www.usconstitution.net/states_god.html

How can you possibly just "update" something to the point that it violates what it was written upon?


The Founding Fathers were almost entirely non-religious, and practiced Deism, which is entirely separate from Christianity.

EDIT: actually, according to wikipedia-
-few founding fathers rejected christianity
-few founding fathers were devout christians
-almost all founding fathers were heavily influenced by rationalism & the enlightenment
-many founding fathers & scholars were influenced by Deism

http://www.britannica.com/topic/The-Founding-Fathers-Deism-and-Christianity-1272214

Rather than address explicit constitutional provisions, American fundamentalists often like to quote-mine the Founding Fathers in order to divine their intentions and "prove" that they actually envisioned the new state as a Christian nation. They primarily target George Washington, John Adams and Thomas Jefferson, the first three Presidents of the United States, and claim that they were deeply devout Christians whose actions were to a large degree inspired by their faith.[4][5]
This notion is patently false: Jefferson's Deistic convictions are evident from his writings, and he was a high-profile critic of established Christian dogma; he even wrote his own version of the New Testament, the Jefferson Bible, expunging the Gospels of all references to the supernatural. Washington never attended communion services at his church and took great pains to refer to his god by Deistic terms like "Great Author" and "Almighty Being" in his inaugural address. While Adams credited religion in general with bolstering public morality, he was personally a Deistic if churchgoing Congregationalist and later a Unitarian (yes, the kind that eventually became Unitarian Universalism), and consistently argued that the United States had been founded on rationalist and Enlightenment principles and rejected the notion of divine legitimation for political leadership.[6][7]



http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/The_United_States_as_a_Christian_nation





WRONG. Items featuring confederate flags are being banned or censored on ebay. The Dukes of Hazard was pulled from rotation and NASCAR is already asking fans to not fly the flags at events as well as offering trade-ins for American flags at events. Teams with "Rebels" logos are being edited, most notably the Ole Miss Rebels becoming Black Bears now and removing the Rebel Colonel mascot. This is just to name a few, but clearly this is a movement with some force behind it, right?

Freedom of speech doesn't apply to private entities or privately run corporations.

If you don't like the movement behind removing what is, and always has been, a flag symbolic of white supremacy- then you should probably found a corporation that's willing to deal with the public backlash of not banning one.


If you don't think this has already begun, YOU'RE out of your goddamn mind, bro. How about a guesstimate? if you did a poll right now, how much of America do you think would actually consider there to be more corrupt cops than actual criminals out there? One man's "tolerance" eventually ends up as another man's oppression. History repeats itself, there's no escaping that fact.


#YesAllCops

Bold part is straight retarded dude. Tolerance is never oppression. Can you give a single example of how tolerance is oppression?

and that last sentence of yours... if that were true, people wouldn't still be bitching about shit like slavery, confederate flags and holy wars.

If people weren't still subject to discrimination--religious, racial or otherwise-- then people offhandedly dismissing these as things of the past wouldn't seem so ignorant

Next you're going to tell me that we finally won and beat The Racism

[Hush]

it's funny cuz all the people defending the fuckery are religious/southern

[Inno]

it's funny cuz all the people defending the fuckery are religious/southern

what a surprise huh.


yo what i dont get...is the brush off of the blatant hatred that flag showcases...with people saying.

but its about heritage

what heritage?

treason
bigotry
oppression
segregation
slavery


i mean yeah....heritage folk.

i wanna keep the memory alive that my ancestors where slave owning white supremacists lol

great logic guys...let me guess you got hypocrisy in one hand and the bible in the other....perfect match fellas

[Split Eight]

sounds like opinion disguised as fact.

try this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America

If it helps, I personally do not give a shit about the flag... I don't own one, never flown one, never have and never will. I personally think it's stupid...


HOWEVER, I think it is outright fucking retarded to try and tell groups of people that they can't use it or deem it offensive based on opinion over facts.


"The battle flag was never adopted by the Confederate Congress, never flew over any state capitols during the Confederacy, and was never officially used by Confederate veterans' groups. The flag probably would have been relegated to Civil War museums if it had not been resurrected by the resurgent KKK and used by Southern Dixiecrats during the 1948 presidential election."[26]

Southern historian Gordon Rhea further wrote in 2011 that:
"It is no accident that Confederate symbols have been the mainstay of white supremacist organizations, from the Ku Klux Klan to the skinheads. They did not appropriate the Confederate battle flag simply because it was pretty. They picked it because it was the flag of a nation dedicated to their ideals: 'that the negro is not equal to the white man'. The Confederate flag, we are told, represents heritage, not hate. But why should we celebrate a heritage grounded in hate, a heritage whose self-avowed reason for existence was the exploitation and debasement of a sizeable segment of its population?"[27]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_display_of_the_Confederate_flag

You can think it's outright retarded to deem something offensive, but then, if you're not offended by it how would you understand?


I think for some people it's historical, I can understand both sides but again, do we even consider the endgame? What does this set in motion in regards to freedom of expression and our rights?

You're allowed to fly any flag and express your rights. You're free to fly a Nazi flag, if you'd like. The first amendment affords you that right.


I'd rather ban the American flag personally, it was flown in drone strikes by our Democratic president that resulted on tons of innocent deaths of middle eastern kids. These are atrocities that happened during our lifetime that we should have more of a personal feeling towards.

Too soon?

LOL

General Obama, Harbringer of RC Doom, sitting on his throne of lies as he divebombs plane after plane into Iraqi kindergarten graduation

Fucking retarded man. Guess which regime led us astray in the war on terror?

What president withdrew troops from the Middle East instead of actively vetoing a bill that had a provision that deadlined their withdrawal?

Do you even know the civilian casualty rates of air strikes compared to drone strikes?


Do you even know anything about anything besides what you have to say to make your points seem based in fact?

[veritas]

Veritas, can we agree that if there has been even one innocent death caused by religion in all of history than that is too many?

fair?

no, not at all. That is ridiciulous and against the nature of the universe bro.

[veritas]

Veritas reminds me of my shithead stepdad who cheated on my moms for prolly like 25 years then divorced, immediately remarried and found the church. Hasn't called me in 7 years, but texts me on every religious holiday to wish me "blessings."
fuck out of here with your bleeding heart bullshit, Veritas
there's no such thing as vicarious redemption

and finally after almost 6 years the truth emerges....thank you. I understand now.

[Hush]

@Veritas you are the new Chyeeah.

[Destroyer]

no, not at all. That is ridiciulous and against the nature of the universe bro.

so innocent deaths are cool?

enlighten me then on what your problem with abortion is?

[Inno]

God plz let this thrad go forever

[veritas]

so innocent deaths are cool?

enlighten me then on what your problem with abortion is?



do you cry when a sun in a far off galaxy goes supernova and destroys a galaxy?

do you bat an eye when you kill a mosquito?

would you kill a man who broke into your house and raped your wife?

[Destroyer]

no
no
yes

point?

[Hush]

Des I need to know if your step dad was bald

[veritas]

so your definition of innocent is subjective? especially when it comes to taking lives?

[Destroyer]

of course
the term innocence is in itself subjective

and Hush, nah, but he is mexican

[Batty]

Watch how easy this is...

tell me how saying that it's treasonous is an opinion
it's a flag flown by the south while attempting to succeed from the Union, the Union which still exists today
it's the definition of treason


What you fail to realize in this is that there was no perfect North and South division like you'd like to paint it out to be, there were multiple points of view on each side. Have you ever heard of Copperheads? Fuck it, of course not... here I got you:

The Copperheads were a large faction of northern Democrats who opposed the war, demanding an immediate peace settlement. They said they wanted to restore "the Union as it was" (that is, with the South and with slavery) but they realized that the Confederacy would never voluntarily rejoin the U.S.[20] The most prominent Copperhead was Ohio's Clement L. Vallandigham, a Congressman and leader of the Democratic Party in Ohio. He was defeated in an intense election for governor in 1863. Republican prosecutors in the Midwest accused some Copperhead activists of treason in a series of trials in 1864.[21]

try this:

The confederate Congress specified that black soldiers were to receive the same pay as the white soldiers. The Union army’s black soldiers were paid less than the white soldiers. A black soldier in the Union army would have been paid $10 a month with a $3 clothing fee taken out, leaving the soldier with $7 a month. White soldiers were paid $13 a month and were not forced to pay a clothing allowance, which is almost twice as much as the black soldiers. By contrast the Confederate army paid their privates of both races $11/month until 1864. Equal pay for both races in the federal army did not come into effect until June 1864. The Confederate Army also authorized a salary for black musicians in 1862.

or maybe even this:


In 1864, the Confederate States began to abandon slavery. There are some indications that even without a war, the Confederacy would have ended slavery. Most historians believe that the Confederacy only started to abandon slavery once their defeat was imminent. If that were true then we are to believe that the CSA wanted independence more than they wanted to hold on to slavery. The CSA’s highest ranking generals, Robert E. Lee and Joseph E. Johnston were not slave holders and did not believe in slavery. And according to an 1860 census, only 31% of families owned slaves. 75% of families that owned slaves owned less than 10 and often worked beside them in the fields. The Confederate Constitution banned the overseas slave trade, and permitted Confederate states to abolish slavery within their borders if they wanted to do so. Slavery wasn’t abolished until 1868, 3 years after the war. Thus Kentucky, Missouri, Maryland and Delaware still had slaves.

My take on this is that it was Us vs Us and that is always a fail, but yeah it's no different than the division we face now with Dems vs Repubs that always has the potential to go downhill. I'm just open-minded enough to realize that politicians on both sides have similar agendas and I trust neither.

For the record, I've never cared about the Civil War, I've never been a confederate supporter in any way. I think it's stupid and it was dark times for the US as a nation but still 600,000+ people lost their lives in that war and it may mean different things to those peoples families much like the American flag does to the families of the soldiers who died in Iraq basically in a war over oil.


it's funny cuz all the people defending the fuckery are religious/southern

It's no different than a Mexican always siding with minorities tho, right?


The Founding Fathers were almost entirely non-religious, and practiced Deism, which is entirely separate from Christianity.


Would some direct quotes change your mind?

http://christianity.about.com/od/independenceday/a/foundingfathers.htm

And just for the record, are you saying that the founding fathers were ok with abortion, gay marriage and transgender equality in general? I mean, we aren't even arguing if they were right or wrong, we are discussing is what their actual intentions were. I'm just saying, that it is hard to simply "amend" something that they would all be unanimously against and perhaps it should be rewritten... if you can follow this logic, I await your brilliant response.


Freedom of speech doesn't apply to private entities or privately run corporations.

If you don't like the movement behind removing what is, and always has been, a flag symbolic of white supremacy- then you should probably found a corporation that's willing to deal with the public backlash of not banning one.


Perhaps you are missing the point here???? You even touch on it in that last sentence and still miss out. It is more about the backlash itself rather than it being offensive. People are folding to political correctness more so than what they believe in. I own ZERO confederate flags, never saluted one or flown one. I felt the same exact way when ebay started banning Nazi items though, it means nothing to me but I can see the historical importance.

As far as "white supremacy" goes, at least the Confederacy was paying the black soldiers equal pay back before it was en vogue. AMIRITE?

#YesAllCops

Bold part is straight retarded dude. Tolerance is never oppression. Can you give a single example of how tolerance is oppression?


lolololol

Care to elab on the "YesAllCops"?

As for your question, sure... Over the years there have been multiple organizations founded for "equal rights" for minorities. I mean, that makes perfect sense, they actually were treated unfairly and these organizations helped level the playing field in many instances. If a person is discriminated due to their sexual orientation, there is an organization that comes in to defend their interests. If I'm black and I am racially discriminated against, I could get the NAACP involved and maybe even get my story on BET. So, tell me what happens when a white person gets discriminated against? Who do they call lol? At what point does equal rights turn into special privileges?

A lot of people don't even believe that whites can even be victims of racism tbh. They invent their own definitions of words, generally confusing stereotyping with racism the majority of the time.

[Split Eight]

Equal rights campaigns such as the NAACP become "special rights" campaigns when black people are no longer disadvantaged

Gay people will stop being glamorized in the news when business owners stop boycotting gays due to their sexuality & calling someone gay or a faggot isn't funny but analogous to calling someone a nigger- outdated, weird and old-fashioned, tasteless and offensive

White people are not discriminated against. It's a myth. It doesn't happen. Some black dude saying "white people should all die" is racist but it's not the racism that prevents a black man from making as much money as an equally talented white person, when cities are gentrified it's not black people forcing white folks out of where they have lived for generations to serve higher socioeconomic classes.

When black kids qualify for all the scholarships and get admitted over little Jimmy the polo star A-student, well Jimmy gets preferential treatment from a pure admissions standpoint because he grew up in an environment that allowed him to become a better college applicant- one that black kids are precluded from. So unfair right!


As for your quotes-

Look deeper lmao. Washington refused to swear to God when he was sworn in, Jefferson wrote his own Bible, someone showed Ben Franklin a Christian vs Deist argument and he sided with Deism & become a fierce advocate, etc etc

Christianity.about.com can fuck itself with its own journalistic integrity in the most homosexual way possible


Whites cannot be victims of systematic racism. Other forms of racism, yes. But those are universal in all societies and are not the kind that advancement programs seek to counteract


http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/yesallwomen

[Split Eight]

And just for the record, are you saying that the founding fathers were ok with abortion, gay marriage and transgender equality in general? I mean, we aren't even arguing if they were right or wrong, we are discussing is what their actual intentions were. I'm just saying, that it is hard to simply "amend" something that they would all be unanimously against and perhaps it should be rewritten... if you can follow this logic, I await your brilliant response.

All I am saying is that this is not a Christian nation. The intent of the founding fathers was not tied to the Church or any religious doctrine

The Constitution is held dear because it is something that our country was formed around, but it is not our Holy Bible, it's a document that's at the core of our federal government

I think the Constitution can very, very easily be extended to allow for abortion, gay marriage, and transgender equality.

To be clear, I don't really care what Jefferson/ Franklin/ Adams would have thought of abortion

[Batty]

If people weren't still subject to discrimination--religious, racial or otherwise-- then people offhandedly dismissing these as things of the past wouldn't seem so ignorant

Next you're going to tell me that we finally won and beat The Racism


Well how about a little social experiment, shall we? Scour the posts on this forum, we can use this forum as a catalyst. I'm sure that you will find that most people here have hatred towards Christians and sympathy for black youth VS cops. Generally, because these are messages directly conveyed through headline stories. A black cop killing a white kid surely happened but that isn't newsworthy. A white male getting racially discriminated against isn't gonna make a headline either. It's not what people want to hear, even though it happens.

Let me ask you a serious question... Are you seriously naïve enough to fear the KKK right now on any believable level? Black people kill more black people each year than the KKK have in their entire existence. I live in the south and I don't know a single person or heard of a single person involved in the KKK nor have I seen any presence whatsoever. I barely rank them above The Boogeyman and Amanda Bynes on the national threat-o-meter of doom.




what a surprise huth.


yo what i dont get...is the brush off of the blatant hatred that flag showcases...with people saying.

but its about heritage

what heritage?

treason
bigotry
oppression
segregation
slavery


i mean yeah....heritage folk.

i wanna keep the memory alive that my ancestors where slave owning white supremacists lol

great logic guys...let me guess you got hypocrisy in one hand and the bible in the other....perfect match fellas



Speaking of hypocrisy tho...

Just because you don't understand why somebody does it, it doesn't mean that they shouldn't be allowed to do it, especially if it isn't hurting anybody.

see also: Gay Marriage

Sooo, how about this... You for gay marriage or not?

/thread?

You can think it's outright retarded to deem something offensive, but then, if you're not offended by it how would you understand?


No, again you missed the point. It's retarded to think just because something is offensive to you then it has to be offensive to everybody else.

Maybe my uncle was killed in a drive-by by a Crip, should you not be allowed to wear blue due to my personal feelings?

It's the same with the military to this day, some support the troops, some don't... that's a right. Soldiers returning from Nam were labeled "baby killers" by a huge number of the population, maybe they were, maybe they weren't. Your opinion is clearly that all the flag represented was slavery even though I'm sure some people would state that it meant many other things to them but you are so sure that you're right.

LOL

General Obama, Harbringer of RC Doom, sitting on his throne of lies as he divebombs plane after plane into Iraqi kindergarten graduation

Fucking retarded man. Guess which regime led us astray in the war on terror?

What president withdrew troops from the Middle East instead of actively vetoing a bill that had a provision that deadlined their withdrawal?

Do you even know the civilian casualty rates of air strikes compared to drone strikes?


hahahaha! I get it now, of course you're a democrat that thinks he can spin the whole "Oh yeah, but Bush did this or that..."

gtfo.

Fuck Bush, he was a piece of shit. But, you some how think that pointing out Bush's flaws automatically saves Obama? Really tho, explain how that works out for you when you aren't aren't with a Republican.

Semantics all day...

DO YOU EVEN COUNTER-POINT, BRO?


Do you even know anything about anything besides what you have to say to make your points seem based in fact?

Oh but how did you miss it? You see, my points are based off of facts. You see, I will offer my opinions on things, however unlike you, I do not attempt to pass my opinions off as facts. If you read my posts, you will see plain as day.

Case-in-point... You just defended Obama's actions by claiming that Bush did worse or trying to argue statistics. None of which changed the fact that Obama killed those children. My point was that he did it and I could see how people would be offended from their own point-of-view and perhaps be offended by an American flag. So, what I said was fact and what you said was opinion and ironically, that too is in fact, a fact.

see how it works now tho?

[Destroyer]

on a completely different subject, I just want to say that I am forever impressed by the actual ages of our founding fathers. most of those dudes were in their 20s and accomplished more in such a short amount of time than most people do in their entire lives today

[Batty]

Equal rights campaigns such as the NAACP become "special rights" campaigns when black people are no longer disadvantaged


LOL. Who decides when that is? How about when almost 97% of blacks vote for a black president? Cause yo, that already happened.

Gay people will stop being glamorized in the news when business owners stop boycotting gays due to their sexuality & calling someone gay or a faggot isn't funny but analogous to calling someone a nigger- outdated, weird and old-fashioned, tasteless and offensive


Again, who decides when this is? LOLOLOLOL. It's now stylish to be gay, Kristen Stewart and Miley Cyrus are doing it.

White people are not discriminated against. It's a myth. It doesn't happen. Some black dude saying "white people should all die" is racist but it's not the racism that prevents a black man from making as much money as an equally talented white person, when cities are gentrified it's not black people forcing white folks out of where they have lived for generations to serve higher socioeconomic classes.


congrats on the most ignorant thing you've said thus far. This goes back to opinion VS fact. You only deal in opinion where I deal in fact. Dispute this, a black billionaire buys a company and hires a full staff of 17,000 black people and only allows 22 white people to be hired as cleaning staff making minimum wage while the rest of the staff make $20+ an hour. White people aren't even allowed to interview outside of cleaning staff and forward advancement is not allowed. Your logic behind why this would not be discrimination can only be opinion.

When black kids qualify for all the scholarships and get admitted over little Jimmy the polo star A-student, well Jimmy gets preferential treatment from a pure admissions standpoint because he grew up in an environment that allowed him to become a better college applicant- one that black kids are precluded from. So unfair right!


Perhaps you've never heard of this thing called BLACK COLLEGES. Try Googling it if you get a minute. Also, check into this other thing called BASKETBALL SCHOLARSHIPS. Yeah, and maybe AMERICAN NEGRO COLLEGE FUN, A MIND IS A TERRIBLE THING TO WASTE AND NAACP tho. Hey, can I ask you a for really real question tho? Wouldn't what you're suggesting only matter to RICH white kids? Would that mean that poor black kids have way more options educationally than poor white kids????? I mena, think on it a minute... what breaks do poor white kids get? I can't remember right off-hand.

facts only pls.


As for your quotes-

Look deeper lmao. Washington refused to swear to God when he was sworn in, Jefferson wrote his own Bible, someone showed Ben Franklin a Christian vs Deist argument and he sided with Deism & become a fierce advocate, etc etc



"Look deeper"... what is this, The X-Files??????????

maybe they should've removed IN GOD WE TRUST and/or ONE NATION UNDER GOD off of everything they fucking made or not have people take oaths on a bible like they did.

fun argument we're having here bro...forreal.

Whites cannot be victims of systematic racism. Other forms of racism, yes. But those are universal in all societies and are not the kind that advancement programs seek to counteract


fact or fiction tho? ... you call it.

[Destroyer]

bro, In God we trust and Under God were added in the 50s in response to the great communism scare

E Pluribus Unim was the OG shit
out of many, one.
still relevant, and no reference to God
learn your shit

[Split Eight]

Obama didn't kill anyone you lunatic lmao
Neither did Bush

I'm not defending Obama from anything except the idea that he should be the scapegoat for all the bloodshed from our Crusade Against the Terrorists

pointing out Bush's flaws saved Obama because you just tried to shift the blame for what Bush did onto Obama


I'm also not a Democrat. You just assumed that because I disagreed with you about the confederate flag.

The battle flag (the flag you think "might mean something to some people") wasn't used by any states until it was resurrected by the KKK and then used in 1948 by the Dixiecrats.

What it represents is exactly that.

Your "facts" are not facts. I'm not sure how you think 'oh her der I never seen people get racism-ed here's some quotes that say God in them never mind the context of all of their other written work look here on the forums black kids are privileged because they get social media when they get shot' is valid anything


Did you really just argue that cops shooting a white kid wouldn't be news, but them shooting a black kid is national headlines?

Cops don't shoot white kids
if they did it would definitely be national news are you dumb
WHITE MALES DONT GET DISCRIMINATED AGAINST
you are literally the worst arguer on the board and I've argued with Chyeahh like 50x

[Split Eight]

LOL. Who decides when that is? How about when almost 97% of blacks vote for a black president? Cause yo, that already happened
Again, who decides when this is? LOLOLOLOL. It's now stylish to be gay, Kristen Stewart and Miley Cyrus are doing it.

The fact that you think this is indicative of the end of discrimination is laughable


congrats on the most ignorant thing you've said thus far. This goes back to opinion VS fact. You only deal in opinion where I deal in fact. Dispute this, a black billionaire buys a company and hires a full staff of 17,000 black people and only allows 22 white people to be hired as cleaning staff making minimum wage while the rest of the staff make $20+ an hour. White people aren't even allowed to interview outside of cleaning staff and forward advancement is not allowed. Your logic behind why this would not be discrimination can only be opinion.

When and where did this happen? Link? Very interested in this one



Perhaps you've never heard of this thing called BLACK COLLEGES. Try Googling it if you get a minute. Also, check into this other thing called BASKETBALL SCHOLARSHIPS. Yeah, and maybe AMERICAN NEGRO COLLEGE FUN, A MIND IS A TERRIBLE THING TO WASTE AND NAACP tho. Hey, can I ask you a for really real question tho? Wouldn't what you're suggesting only matter to RICH white kids? Would that mean that poor black kids have way more options educationally than poor white kids????? I mena, think on it a minute... what breaks do poor white kids get? I can't remember right off-hand.

Poor white kids get financial assistance from the government, but educationally do way way better than poor black kids

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/data-mine/2015/01/28/us-education-still-separate-and-unequal


"Look deeper"... what is this, The X-Files??????????

No, this is you farming quotes that support your argument, not looking at the bigger picture.


maybe they should've removed IN GOD WE TRUST and/or ONE NATION UNDER GOD off of everything they fucking made or not have people take oaths on a bible like they did.


You are very, very misguided. See: Destroyer.

[Witty]

White people believing they are opressed is hilarious to me.

[Batty]

All I am saying is that this is not a Christian nation. The intent of the founding fathers was not tied to the Church or any religious doctrine

The Constitution is held dear because it is something that our country was formed around, but it is not our Holy Bible, it's a document that's at the core of our federal government

I think the Constitution can very, very easily be extended to allow for abortion, gay marriage, and transgender equality.

To be clear, I don't really care what Jefferson/ Franklin/ Adams would have thought of abortion


Again, I do not care what they thought either. Nor did I ever imply that it was tied to a specific church. All I do is dispute your opinions with facts...


Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom, Drafted by Jefferson in 1776:
Well aware that the opinions and belief of men depend not on their own will, but follow involuntarily the evidence proposed to their minds; that Almighty God hath created the mind free, and manifested his supreme will that free it shall remain by making it altogether insusceptible of restraint; that all attempts to influence it by temporal punishments, or burthens, or by civil incapacitations, tend only to beget habits of hypocrisy and meanness, and are a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, who being lord both of body and mind, yet chose not to propagate it by coercions on either, as was in his Almighty power to do, but to extend it by its influence on reason alone; that the impious presumption of legislators and rulers, civil as well as ecclesiastical, who, being themselves but fallible and uninspired men, have assumed dominion over the faith of others, setting up their own opinions and modes of thinking as the only true and infallible, and as such endeavoring to impose them on others, hath established and maintained false religions over the greatest part of the world and through all time. …


Go ahead, put a spin on it. This is fun.


bro, In God we trust and Under God were added in the 50s in response to the great communism scare

E Pluribus Unim was the OG shit
out of many, one.
still relevant, and no reference to God
learn your shit


Step away from the semantics, Destroyer. You can feel free to go right ahead and argue all of those direct quotes from the founding fathers I already dropped in this thread that mention God. It's not hard to add anything "God-related" to something that is already established as God-related. We can agree all day on opinion based stuff like "separation of church and state is needed" but that doesn't negate the fact that God is mentioned quite a bit throughout the US's entire history.

You ready to learn your shit now?


Obama didn't kill anyone you lunatic lmao
Neither did Bush

I'm not defending Obama from anything except the idea that he should be the scapegoat for all the bloodshed from our Crusade Against the Terrorists

pointing out Bush's flaws saved Obama because you just tried to shift the blame for what Bush did onto Obama


hahaahahahahahaha wut?

That last line, bro...lol.

Nope. YOU tried to do that.

How could I possibly shift the blame to Bush for the drone attacks that Obama himself ordered in Iraq after Bush was replaced in office by Obama?

http://gopthedailydose.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/barack-drone-bomber-obama.jpg

I mean, wow bro. Again, I drop a fact on you...it is documented and proven that it happened but you ain't trying to hear that, right?????


I'm also not a Democrat. You just assumed that because I disagreed with you about the confederate flag.

Actually, nope again. It's because you blamed Bush for Obama's failings. That's a red flag tbh (no confed tho)


The battle flag (the flag you think "might mean something to some people") wasn't used by any states until it was resurrected by the KKK and then used in 1948 by the Dixiecrats.

What it represents is exactly that.


You sure there weren't a lot of Dukes of Hazard fans in the 70's that just thought it looked cool?

http://ih0.redbubble.net/image.11862861.9489/flat,550x550,075,f.jpg

I mean, unless you think that everybody with a Sons of Anarchy shirt supports bike gangs.

Which I wouldn't doubt.


Your "facts" are not facts. I'm not sure how you think 'oh her der I never seen people get racism-ed here's some quotes that say God in them never mind the context of all of their other written work look here on the forums black kids are privileged because they get social media when they get shot' is valid anything


Again, this is opinion. I see racism all the time. I see it against all different races. I've seen more against black people when I was growing up but that doesn't mean that I think it only happens to black people.


Did you really just argue that cops shooting a white kid wouldn't be news, but them shooting a black kid is national headlines?

Cops don't shoot white kids
if they did it would definitely be national news are you dumb
WHITE MALES DONT GET DISCRIMINATED AGAINST
you are literally the worst arguer on the board and I've argued with Chyeahh like 50x

You argue with Chyeahh cause he's on your level, both yall niggas just be making up stupid shit and callin it facts like you just did above.

Here, I got you tho....


come
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/bristolpalin/2014/08/unarmed-white-kid-shot-and-killed-by-black-cop-in-salt-lake-city/

at
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/georgia-teen-holding-wii-remote-shot-cops-front-door-family-lawyer-article-1.1619842


me
http://www.inquisitr.com/1412236/dillon-taylor-police-shooting/


lololololololol


The fact that you think this is indicative of the end of discrimination is laughable


You miss the point again. Once things start becoming culturally acceptable, do we not see a trend of what was once culturally acceptable being discriminated against? Case-in-point, Veritas is the only dude on this website dropping bible verses and that shit went over well, huh?

When and where did this happen? Link? Very interested in this one


What would be your reasoning for thinking it doesn't happen?

You do know that it has been a topic researched and debated for a few years now, right?

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/12/21/white.persecution/index.html

I mean, you can pick your own news service that you like for further Goggling...

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/jury-fulton-discriminated-againt-white-male-job-ap/nRPnf/

^Ware said the jury shouldn’t have heard secondhand testimony that Commissioner Emma Darnell played a role, allegedly telling a deputy county manager that she had “too many white boys” in Human Services and the new director should be black and female.

I mean, it is flat out retarded to think that racism isn't universal.

Poor white kids get financial assistance from the government, but educationally do way way better than poor black kids

HAHAHAHA! are we arguing how well they perform in school now? Because yo, that is a totally different argument and I hope you are smart enough to know so.

You killin me, Smalls.


No, this is you farming quotes that support your argument, not looking at the bigger picture.

Nope. just me "Looking deeper" like you told me I should do. Right?

You are very, very misguided. See: Destroyer.

Well, at least we agree that Destroyer is misguided, that is progress.

But yo, you shouldn't bring opinions to a fact fight. lmao

[veritas]

DESTRO IS MAD AT GOD BECAUSE HIS STEP DAD LEFT HIM AND THEN FOUND GOD AND STILL LEFT HIM. THREAD OVER. ILLOGICAL HATE IS EXPLAINED. THERE CANNOT BE A GOD. I HAVE TO HAVE A REASON TO HARBOR THIS HATRED.


PLUS BATTY IS OWNING YALL.


GOD WILL ALWAYS WIN OVER HUMANS. HIS FOOLISHNESS IS HIGHER THAN OUR WISDOM.

[uh-oh]

so you guys are on the flag thing now?

well im home. im gonna eat and post a long post making you all look dumb without the help of google on both religion and the confederate flag

[King Karaoke]

Hi...


White people believing they are opressed is hilarious to me.


Bye...

[Sn00p]

"Oh it has caused the most wars and death..."


truth: There was nothing holy about the holy roman empire. They killed the common folks for wanting to read their bibles, instead of having the priests read it to them. Same goes for the inquisition. If anything, both of these factions were more like the muslims than christians.

truth: The wars that have killed the most people have nothing to do with religion. WWI.....nope. WWII....nope, in fact hitler said that after he killed the jews, he would kill the christians. Korean war....nope. Civil war...nope. Stalin murdering 20 million of his own people...nope.


Truth: there have been over 30 million, yes million documented cases of abortions in this country....my mind staggers to think about the numbers of the entire world....surely this is not a godly thing fair?

truth: Anti-god communistic, political, and eugenics have killed far more people in the last 100 years than Christianity has in it's entire existence.


Have a great day friend!

All bolded parts are HIGHLY questionable, if not flat out wrong. Putting truth before things doesn't make them truth.

[Junto]

Religions... races... nations... political parties...

These are all tools used to divide us and distract us from the truth

[veritas]

you all seem so certain that you are right, but speak with thoughts that prove otherwise. The fact that none of you even agree about what you disagree about with me speaks volumes.


what has been gained from this thread is 4fold

1. Destro is mad at God due to childhood stepdad issues. which makes perfect sense.

2. Split 8 talks at lenght as an expert when in fact he is not even yet an adult

3. Batty pwns split 8

4. Snoop cosigns the nazi regime, which also makes sense.

[uh-oh]

so lets talk religion you monkeys

at the root of everything, we are all the same thing. by we, i mean LIFE. living breathing organisms. if there is a loud BOOM beside you, you look over jolted, like WTF. so does everything else. whether its a MUSKRAT or an alligator or billy goat or ANY OTHER BEAST OF THE FIELD.

we, as humans place ourselves above the beasts of the field, because with our ability to communicate, and our abilities to reason and make decisions that we UNDERSTAND we're like well we're the shit obviously.

but we are filthy fucking animals with stinky shitty buttholes and shitty beast organs that fail eventually no matter how strict your diet, or how great your lifestyle.

now religion in my opinion formed as ways for tribes and familys to give themselves a code to live by, and the SAFETY of knowing that if another person is labeled as part of that religion, you don't have to worry about them.

if you follow PADITUHNAER for instance, some make believe god, and your religious tenants are to not harm others, then you know anyone you encounter who follows that will not harm you, ALLEGEDLY.

IN OUR BASE ANIMALISTIC instincts, and entire state of mind really, everything we do is an act of SELF PRESERVATION. in the sense that every trigger in your brain sets off that you should be careful, you shouldnt juggle a rattle snake, shit like that.

so when a human encounters another human, and you don't KNOW THAT HUMAN. your very first thought is defensive. now, granted we live in a society where the majority are religious, and on top of that we have a system of LAW AND ORDER, that is drilled into us, we live in giant population centers and all that, so seeing someone you don't know happens countless times a day for the majority of the population, but you have to put yourself in the mindset of an early human, who sees no one but their immediate family/tribe for the most part.

any beast, or human alike encountered, is A THREAT FIRST AND FOREMOST.

as humans our base desires of self preservation, not only ENTAIL PROTECTING OURSELVES, and DEFENDING your PEOPLE, but also PROCREATION, and passing on your genetics, and expanding and HELPING your people. children are the shit. you know how easy it is for a grown man to injure himself? do you have any idea what a broken ankle means to a 25 year old ADULT MALE with no hospitals in sight? not even the IDEA of a hospital? meanwhile kids can fall off a fucking cliff, cry and be like sup niggas i'm still growing and i'm indestructible sure i'll help carry shit across this river.

so not only does a child PRESERVE YOUR GENES, but they BOLSTER YOUR NUMBER, AND STRENGTHEN YOUR FAMILY UNIT/TRIBE.

so you encounter a human you don't know. its IMMEDIATELY ON NIGGA. THIS DUDE HAS TO DIE. HE IS WHERE MY FAMILY EATS, SLEEPS, AND LIVES IN PEACE. HE'S COME TO FUCK MY WOMEN, AND EAT MY CAMELS HAUNCHES. i DONT KNOW THIS DUDE.

but then hey, you have RELIGION. and with religion comes the JUDGEMENT OF THE GODS. you have basic rules, do not fuck your neighbors woman. do not kill them. do not steal from them. do not make fun of a bald man or you will get mauled by 2 great she-bears.

if i live by this code, and i DONT KNOW YOU, but i see you ALSO live by this code, i can let some of my PRIMAL guards down around you, knowing that you also fear the damnation of the gods, if you dare do any of these things that HARM ME AND MINE. and you as a person who don't know me, can take these same comforts.

that in essence is what religion is. we all know that at a base level that its just "moral" rules that keep everything from desolving to anarchy, but you need to know that it is purely for self preservation and shit. not some make believe greater good.

most ancient cultures had respect for other cultures' gods. because they were all fucking idiots.

now we have law and order, and SOCIETY as a whole to keep other humans in check. you don't kill your neighbor and kidnap his wife because you fear being judged by st. peter, but because you don't want to be executed by the state, and or spend your life behind bars stripped of freedom.

you don't need a god to fill in the mysteries of the universe when you can turn to SCIENTIFIC FACTS. THERE WILL ALWAYS BE THE RELIGIOUS, WHO CLING TO GOD WITHIN THE GAPS OF THE KNOWN SCIENTIFIC KNOWLEDGE OF THE TIME, AND THATS FINE.

but anyone using religion as a means to HARM OTHER IS AT FAULT. its my understanding that no religion advocates violence beyond an eye for an eye type circumstance. if islam or some other religion advocates violence towards other religions, it is merely out of SELF PRESERVATION of the people who invented it, because their neighbors could be a threat to them. now im pretty positive it isn't in islam, other than like "yo kill sorcerors and mages" which are obvious threats, but like i said earlier i don't wanna google cuz i have a god mind already.

so essentially, no religion advocates violence towards others not in SELF DEFENSE/PRESERVATION OF SELF.

[El Muffin]

Lol some racist mfers itt

I skimmed n lold at some segments

Wow oh wowee

I fkn died at black billionaire with 20k black employees

That analogy is retarded amongst other things but keep it up

This some revelatory shit

Hardwired bigotry manifesto

[El Muffin]

BTW I voted for Obamerr coz he's blk. Fuck u idc

Lmao. It was my first time voting

Just turned 18. Young. Dumb. Caught up in the campaign. Thought it would do something great for future generations. But I now know it doesn't matter who's in office. Once u hit that lvl being genuine goes out the window. Literally no candidate sticks to their talking points presented in their csmpaigns. It's all fucking corrupt n there's no honor. I cannot relate



I regret it. Just as yall should regret voting bush in offic4

[uh-oh]

now the confederate flag as i know it

ISN'T THE FLAG OF THE SOUTH YOU FUCKING IMBOCILES, IT WAS A BATTLE STANDARD. its a flag SOME confederates used in battle. some confederate states flew their own flags as well.

it by NO MEANS REPRESENTS WHITE SUPREMACY

that came MUCH LATER. the ku klux klan adopted it, and the white skinheads and everyone else, so now it represents that to alot of people. because you know we have them on this magical thing called video flying it.

but it was never meant to resemble white supremacy, as much as just differentiate troops on a battlefield.

did the south fight for slavery? YES, ABSOLUTELY, but they weren't fighting for it because whites are superior, as much as WTF MAN you YANKEES that live in cities and work in shitty industrial factories are trying to tell me a rich white dude with a plantation that i have to lose my work force? or pay them? its not enough that i house and feed them and clothe them, but i have to cut profits i'm accustomed to by like 3/4 at the least? eat a dick, i'm seceding, you can keep your states.

it is ABSOLUTELY TREASONOUS. its a REBELLION. there is no higher treason then TO ACTIVELY MAKE WAR AGAINST THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, but with that said, i'm pretty sure the north fired first.

either way tho.

the main point is the flag also CAN represent the OPPOSITION of an OVER REACHING GOVERNMENT.

whether you agree with what people in the south stood for, the whole slavery thing, or not is irrelevant honestly.

if the government just made it law that 98 percent of all your earnings is now the governments, WOULD YOU NOT REBEL? you would be commiting treason absolutely. but the victors write the history.

but word the confederate flag has come to represent white supremacy amongst alot of americans due to the KKK and white supremacist organisations adopting it, but its only meant that since the 1900s

in its inception it was nothing more than a battle flag, not even flown by the entire confederacy.

/thread

[Batty]

Lol some racist mfers itt

I skimmed n lold at some segments

Wow oh wowee

I fkn died at black billionaire with 20k black employees

That analogy is retarded amongst other things but keep it up

This some revelatory shit

Hardwired bigotry manifesto



I forgot to add in the part about them firing all of the mixed race maintenance workers.

But yo, forreal if you don't understand that analogy, you're not going to catch this one.

[Batty]

BTW I voted for Obamerr coz he's blk. Fuck u idc

Lmao. It was my first time voting

Just turned 18. Young. Dumb. Caught up in the campaign. Thought it would do something great for future generations. But I now know it doesn't matter who's in office. Once u hit that lvl being genuine goes out the window. Literally no candidate sticks to their talking points presented in their csmpaigns. It's all fucking corrupt n there's no honor. I cannot relate



I regret it. Just as yall should regret voting bush in offic4


You hope that somebody voter for Bush so it'll create an even fail with you voting for Obama?

You gonna have to wallow in that shit bro, trust I ain't never voted for Bush, fuck that.

Now what?

[El Muffin]

It's good I'm reading it all

I just saw that n scrolled back down for a dbl take

U two on sum skip Bayless first take shit

[El Muffin]

You hope that somebody voter for Bush so it'll create an even fail with you voting for Obama?

You gonna have to wallow in that shit bro, trust I ain't never voted for Bush, fuck that.

Now what?

Nah. I'm just saying. It's easy to get caught up in the moment

Ur not blj so u don't understand

We all mostly regret electing that puppet. He had a really strong but deceitful campaign

Never seen it b4.

I'm 18 at the time. Change change was drummed into my mind

Not race relatons but his approach to the presidency itself. He's prolly one of the most immoral myers ever elected. He's slick as fuck man. Go
Es to Charleston n channels his inner mlk. Like that wasn't advised lol. I dislike Obama but I think he's just a result of the system. The ultimate politician.

I've seen him weasel out of so many questions n do so magnificently. U forget way the questionwas in the 1st place

The killer was that he never stuck to his campaign .

It was all sensationalism. That pulled the wool from over my eyes

We all learn sumhow

[Batty]

It's good I'm reading it all

I just saw that n scrolled back down for a dbl take

U two on sum skip Bayless first take shit


Yo, quit being so vague, explain yoself.

Who?

I'm straight educating fools up in here, lemme know. Really real talk.

[veritas]

was it when he flip flopped on gay marriage?

was it when his autobiography stated that if "an evil wind blew against islam that he would stand for them?"

was it when his government was not transparant?

[El Muffin]

Let me read these posts

[Destroyer]

Veritas, as usual, your end result is as laughable as your initial premise. Even with your office buddy going to bat for you calling out people for stating opinions over facts and then asserting that this country was founded by Christians has done nothing to help your case. You are wrong. fact.
I shared a fact that I've had close experience with people who are delusional, which is why I told the story about my stepfather. You, as usual, latched onto that like it was somehow evidence of why I hate the church, which, even if it were true, does nothing to add weight to your original assertion, that the claim that religion has caused more deaths than anything else is false.
Now, those that share your opinion in this thread are the one guy who you admittedly know irl, and no one else. And you think this somehow proves your assertion? I don't doubt you do, because as evidence, it's equally laughable as the evidence you have that there's a sky father up there who decided that your head shining like a cue ball, was a necessity for the cosmos to function.

[El Muffin]

was it when he flip flopped on gay marriage?

was it when his autobiography stated that if "an evil wind blew against islam that he would stand for them?"

was it when his government was not transparant?

yup

I thought he would be brave

Turns out he really doesn't endorse shot he says. So that is moot from the beg.

Just give me authenticity. I'll follow you like a lemming.

Even if I don't agree on ur stances

Like Chris Rock says

I got sum shot im.liberal about n sum shot I'm conservative about

Why the duck isn't there more bipartisan reasoning

Idgi. The answer is not something I want to hear. It all goes back to integritu

[Junto]

some of you are very shrewd, you perceive the surface clearly...
but with a strong focus on that you aren't able to see behind it

Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes And clever in their own sight Veritas the invincible

[El Muffin]

some of you are very shrewd, you perceive the surface clearly...
but with a strong focus on that you aren't able to see behind it

Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes And clever in their own sight Veritas the invincible

This nigga loominati

Be nice to me Jun u know I'm genuine

[Batty]

The kill is that Dr Dog and Destroyer keep talking about tolerance and equality but only as long as it fits your agenda.

You acting like a flag is going to rape your family or something, like a flag is going to do a drive by or something. You sound straight retarded to say that all people with confederate flags are racists, drop some statistics on the shit pls bros.

Y'all can't tho.

Some people grew up on sports teams with the rebel flag, all they relate it to is Football or the General Lee orange car. But yo, yall quick to not tolerate any of that shit.

Yo, I ain't got no love for that flag at all, all I do is tolerate some of the people who like it for non racist reasons and thee niggas mad at me just for tolerating folks.

Same with religion, I ain't quoted no bible verses nor have I told nare-a-nigga to go get saved up in here, but yall stay mad that I tolerate people's religion lol.

I like how these dudes stay skipping the real questions, you see either of them touching my question on gay marriage? Hell naw tbh. Cause that's that ether, step up and I shall advise.

[Destroyer]

the swastika was originally an American Indian symbol too
it's not used that way now though, is it?
it doesn't matter that some people think it stands for heritage or fucking whatever
it was literally created to symbolize the white man being above the black man
if you don't believe this, you aren't reading the fucking history

[El Muffin]

I live in ms n I totally sympathize with the pPl who see the Confederate flag as a symbol of southern pride

I know ppl who have it draped outside their business n they genuinely treat me like family

Like genuine

U can't fake genuine love man

Down here there are ppl who yes...use it as a reinforcement of hate but the vast majority are not like that

It's the ignorant duck it up for ppl like batty

N batty guess wat..we feel the same way when u talk about the shot my fellow brethren do

I can't account for ignorance

I'm me. Yk ow? Individual

[Sharp]

What the hell happened here

Supreme Court did good 2 weeks back

Happy with the Obama presidency in the sense that they'll almost always be the same but the 15% that was different was on point

Religious fanaticism is dangerous

Someone flame me to pieces so I feel like I didn't miss anything

[El Muffin]

So I guess all Ole miss plz are racist coz they mascot is a rebel

Nope

Sure there's a few dumb college kids taking advantage of the history?

But there's good ppl everywhere

Perspective should be relative to the individual

So it's not chilling to u that it took this tragedy to conjure a reason to have it removed?

It feels like. I on wats the word I'm looking fo

Iono fuck itr

Perspective

One of my best friends has a rebel flag draped in his bedroom

I love that guy n I understand him

The first day I walked in his room n saw that he was visibly agitated /worried how I wud react

I act like I didn't see it

He brought it up eventually. .n I shush ed him like brother u don't have to explain uraelf. I said had thought u were a bigot we wouldn't be talk in 1st place

He had a sigh of relief n said I really appreciate it

Noone seems to understand

Sry typos my phone glitching

[Destroyer]

Muff, you are so fucking dumb, you almost deserve to be discriminated against

[uh-oh]

it was literally created to symbolize the white man being above the black man

it was literally created to be a battle standard/flag used by an army, not even the entire confederate army.

what its become associated with now is the racism/white supremacy shit. it wasn't created to symbolize that tho.

[fraze]

The levels of ignorance in this thread are disgusting.

[Destroyer]

The flag was based on the saltire, a common flag symbol sometimes called the Southern cross. As historian John Coski writes in The Confederate Battle Flag: America's Most Embattled Emblem, Southerners weren't shy about enlisting the design in the cause of white supremacy. In 1863, the editor of the Southern Literary Messenger wrote that the flag's Southern cross pointed to "the destiny of the Southern master and his African slave" — the Confederacy's hoped-for expansion of slavery into Latin America.
The Confederacy itself was founded to preserve slavery and promote white supremacy (see, for example, Mississippi's declaration of secession: "Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery — the greatest material interest of the world," or the speech from the Confederacy's vice president that declared the Confederacy's cornerstone "rests upon the great truth that the Negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery — subordination to the superior race — is his natural and normal condition").

[Batty]

I live in ms n I totally sympathize with the pPl who see the Confederate flag as a symbol of southern pride

I know ppl who have it draped outside their business n they genuinely treat me like family

Like genuine

U can't fake genuine love man

Down here there are ppl who yes...use it as a reinforcement of hate but the vast majority are not like that

It's the ignorant duck it up for ppl like batty

N batty guess wat..we feel the same way when u talk about the shot my fellow brethren do

I can't account for ignorance

I'm me. Yk ow? Individual


That's because you actually live in MS and know what's really up, that's what some of these dudes don't get coz they don't know, all they know is they listen to hip hop and they gotta act urban and smoke weed and pose in hats and buy shoes. Ppl that are racist get spotted quick in the south and it ain't coz they got a flag, it coz how they feel and how they treat ppl.

Like I said tho, aint no flag about to physically harm anybody, ppl just following the agenda.

[veritas]

Jude...cmon now.

We are not going to simply gloss over the facts. The facts that religion has not even come close to killing as many people in all of its years combined as we humans have for our own non god reasons in the last 100 years alone. Real talk. Facts. Stats.


We are also not going to gloss over the fact that whether you want to admit it or not you are angry at God bc you associate his being found with your step dad being lost. It is ok. It makes sense. Just own it so we can move on to the next level.

This is a safe place. You are safe.

[El Muffin]

Read my edit batty

I almost made that nigga she'd a tear

Beautiful stuff

[Destroyer]

Jude...cmon now.

We are not going to simply gloss over the facts. The facts that religion has not even come close to killing as many people in all of its years combined as we humans have for our own non god reasons in the last 100 years alone. Real talk. Facts. Stats.


We are also not going to gloss over the fact that whether you want to admit it or not you are angry at God bc you associate his being found with your step dad being lost. It is ok. It makes sense. Just own it so we can move on to the next level.

This is a safe place. You are safe.

The shit didn't happen when I was 12 you dumb fucking moron. I was an adult, fully able to recognize hypocrisy at that time. it's the thickheadedness that reminds me of that when dealing with you. That is all. I'm not "mad" at God because I don't believe in a god. why would I feel anger towards something I do not believe in?

As for the "facts" we are not glossing over
really? I saw hush ask for stats about 8 pages back and heard crickets...

[El Muffin]

Muff, you are so fucking dumb, you almost deserve to be discriminated against

Your posts Hella jaded

I speak from the heart

That flag symbolism shot u posted was wrongwroioongwroooong

What if I told u there are blk ppl in academia who protest the flag being taken down

They shtoopid too
don't take my presentation for ignorance I can tell off top that u don't speak from experience

[Batty]

History books, the media, the school systems, etc abound in falsehoods and inaccuracies of Confederate and Southern history. This fact sheet will help to clarify and dispell some of these rampant inaccuracies.


MYTH - The War of 1861 - 1865 was fought over slavery.

FACT - Terribly untrue. The North fought the war over money. Plain and simple. When the South started Secession, Lincoln was asked, "Why not let the South go in peace?" To which he replied, "I can't let them go. Who would pay for the government?" Sensing total financial ruin for the North, Lincoln waged war on the South. The South fought the War to repel Northern aggression and invasion.

MYTH - Only Southerners owned slaves.

FACT - Entirely untrue. Many Northern civilians owned slaves. Prior to, during and evenafterthe War Of Northern Aggression.

Surprisingly, to many history impaired individuals, most Union Generals and staff had slaves to serve them! William T. Sherman had many slaves that served him until well after the war was over and did not free them until late in 1865.

U.S. Grant also had several slaves, who were only freed after the 13th amendment in December of 1865. When asked why he didn't free his slaves earlier, Grant stated "Good help is so hard to come by these days."

Contrarily, Confederate General Robert E. Lee freed his slaves (which he never purchased - they were inherited) in 1862!!! Lee freed his slaves several years before the war was over, andconsiderablyearlier than his Northern counterparts. Andduringthe fierce early days of the war when the South was obliterating the Yankee armies!

Lastly, andmostimportantly, why didNORTHERNStates outlaw slaveryonlyAFTER the war was over? The so-called "Emancipation Proclamation" of Lincolnonlygave freedom to slaves in the SOUTH!NOTin the North! This pecksniffery even went so far as to find the state of Delaware rejecting the 13th Amendment in December of 1865 and did not ratify it (13th Amendment / free the slaves) until 1901!

MYTH - The Confederate Battle Flag was flown on slave ships.

FACT - NONE of the flags of the Confederacy or Southern Nation ever flew over a slave ship. Nor did the South own or operate any slaves ships. The English, the Dutch and the Portugese brought slaves to this country,notthe Southern Nation.

BUT, even more monumental, it is alsoveryimportant to know and understand that Federal, Yankee, Union ships brought slaves to America! These ships were from the New England states, and their hypocrisy is atrocious.

These Federals were ones that ended up crying the loudest about slavery. But without their ships, many of the slaves would have never arrived here. They made countless fortunes on the delivery of slaves as well as the products madefrom raw materials such as cotton and tobacco in the South.

This is the problem with Yankee history History is overwhelmingly portrayed incorrectly by most of the Federal & Yankee books and media.

MYTH - The Confederate Battle Flag represented the Southern Nation.

FACT - Not true. While the Southern Battle flag was carried into battle, the Southern Nation had 3 different National flags during the course of the war.

TheFirst National flagwas changed due to a resemblance of the US flag.

TheSecond National flagwas subsequently modified due to the similarity to a flag of truce.

TheThird National flagwas the adopted flag of the Confederacy.

TheConfederate Battle Flagwas never a National Flag of the Confederacy. It was carried into battle by several armies such as the Army Of Northen Virginia and the Army of Tennessee. Was also used as a Naval Jack by the Confederate Navy.

MYTH - The Confederate Battle Flag is known as the "Stars & Bars".

FACT - A common misconception. The First National Confederate Flag is correctly known as the "Stars & Bars". The Confederate Battle Flag is known as the "Southern Cross".

MYTH - The Confederate Battle Flag represents racism today.

FACT - The Confederate Battle Flag today finds itself in the center of much controversy and hoopla going on in several states. The cry to take this flag down is unjustified. It is very important to keep in mind that the Confederate Battle Flag was simply just that. A battle flag. It was never even a National flag, so how could it have flown over a slave nation or represented slavery or racism? This myth is continued by lack of education and ignorance. Those that villify the Confederate Battle Flag are very confused about history and have jumped upon a bandwagon with loose wheels.

MYTH - The United States Flag represented freedom.

FACT - No chance. The US flag flew over a slave nation for over 85 years! The North tolerated slavery and acknowledged it as a Division Of Labor. The North made a vast fortune on slavery and it's commodities. It wasn't until the South decided to leave the Union that the North objected. The North knew it could not survive without the Southern money. That is the true definition of hypocrisy.

MYTH - Abraham Lincoln was the Great Emancipator.

FACT - While Lincoln has went down in history as the Great Emancipator, many would not care to hear his real thoughts on people of color. Martyred President Abraham Lincoln was fervently making plans to send all freed slaves to the jungles of Central America once the war was over. Knowing that African society would never allow the slaves to return back to Africa, Lincoln also did not want the slaves in the US. He thought the jungles of Central America would be the best solution and conducive to the freed slaves best interest. The only thing that kept this from happening, was his assassination.

MYTH - The South revered slavery.

FACT - A very interesting fact on slavery is that at the time the War of 1861 -1865 officially commenced, the Southern States were actually in the process of freeing all slaves in the South. Russia had freed it's servants in 1859, and the South took great note of this. Had military intervention not been forced upon the South, a very different America would have been realized then as well as now.

MYTH - The Confederate Army was comprised of rich slave owners.

FACT - Very far from true. The vast majority of soldiers in the Confederate Army were simple men of meager income. Most of which were hard working farmers and common men. Then, as now, very few rich men ever fight a war.

MYTH - Only the North had men of color in their ranks.

FACT - Quite simply a major falsehood of history. Many blacks, both free and of their own will, joined the Confederate Army to fight for their beloved Southern home. Additionally, men of other ethnic extraction fought as well. Oriental, Mexican & Spanish men as well as Native American Indians fought with pride for the South.

Today, many men of color are members in the heritage group SCV - Sons Of Confederate Veterans. These men of color and pride rejoice in their heritage. The continued attacks on the Southern Nation, The Confederacy, and her symbols are a terrible outrage to these fine people. These attacks should be denounced with as much fervor as those who denounce the South.

MYTH - The Confederate Flags are an authorized symbol of Aryan, KKK and hate groups.

FACT - Quite the contrary. These dispicable organizations such as the KKK and Aryans have taken a hallowed piece of history, and have plagued good Southern folks and the memories of fine Confederate Soldiers that fought under the flag with their perverse agenda. IN NO WAY does the Confederate Flag represent hate or violence. Heritage groups such as the SCV battle daily the damage done to a proud nation by these hate groups. The SCV denounces all hate groups, and pridefully boast HERITAGE - NOT HATE.

MYTH - The SCV - Sons Of Confederate Veterans are a racist, hate group.

FACT - This is a blatant attack on one of the finest heritage groups ever. The SCV - Sons Of Confederate Veterans are a historical, patriotic and non-political organization comprised of descendents of Confederate Soldiers and sailors dedicated to insuring that a true history of the 1861 -1865 period is preserved and presented to the public. The SCV continues to educate the public of the memory and reputation of the Confederate soldier as well as the motives for his suffering and sacrifice.

The SCV - Sons Of Confederate Veterans are in NO WAY affiliated with, nor does it recognize or condone the terrible legacy of hate groups such as the KKK.

[Destroyer]

Your posts Hella jaded

I speak from the heart

That flag symbolism shot u posted was wrongwroioongwroooong

What if I told u there are blk ppl in academia who protest the flag being taken down

They shtoopid too
don't take my presentation for ignorance I can tell off top that u don't speak from experience

I'd tell you that there were black people who owned slaves too

[El Muffin]

No they hate white supremacists

But protest the flags removal

Confusing to you. But makes sense to me. Considering what I've been through

Ur saying they are essentially sellouts

The same ppl who were visibly angered by the shooting

But when they say the flag thing they were like oh OK now they taking it too far

U are ignorant but far from stupid

[Batty]

So I guess all Ole miss plz are racist coz they mascot is a rebel

Nope

Sure there's a few dumb college kids taking advantage of the history?

But there's good ppl everywhere

Perspective should be relative to the individual

So it's not chilling to u that it took this tragedy to conjure a reason to have it removed?

It feels like. I on wats the word I'm looking fo

Iono fuck itr

Perspective

One of my best friends has a rebel flag draped in his bedroom

I love that guy n I understand him

The first day I walked in his room n saw that he was visibly agitated /worried how I wud react

I act like I didn't see it

He brought it up eventually. .n I shush ed him like brother u don't have to explain uraelf. I said had thought u were a bigot we wouldn't be talk in 1st place

He had a sigh of relief n said I really appreciate it

Noone seems to understand

Sry typos my phone glitching


Word Muff, I feel u.

True story, me and a black homie of mine used to go to rich white people's houses and steal their rebel flags. I ain't never had no love for that flag at all, but I know some people ain't meaning no harm (dukes of Hazard ftw)

And even some people are just misguided and can change. Daryl Dixon to thread.

Fair?

Flags don't kill people, people kill flags.

[Destroyer]

I really could give a fuck about the flag whether it hangs or not. it's a fucking flag
racism is a problem. burning all the flags won't fix racism
I don't even know why we are talking about the shit except it's Batty's way of taking focus off of the main point of the thread which has been formidably shit on.

[uh-oh]

MYTH - Only the North had men of color in their ranks.

FACT - Quite simply a major falsehood of history. Many blacks, both free and of their own will, joined the Confederate Army to fight for their beloved Southern home. Additionally, men of other ethnic extraction fought as well. Oriental, Mexican & Spanish men as well as Native American Indians fought with pride for the South.




lol

[El Muffin]

Word . I hate that uncle Tom shithe though man

I get furious

Waht u don't know is I have a massive respect for my culture

I guess being biracial it's easy to step out of generalizations n make a determination from an unbiased viewpoint

I love my people

I love whiteys. I love u all truthfully

OK wtf I'm talk boUT bye

[fraze]

A flag can have more than one meaning.

I'm willing to grant the there are historic meanings behind that flag that are significant to people from the south.

But choosing to ignore the FACT that this flag as been co-opted by white supremacist hate groups as a symbol of oppression against so called inferior races is pure idiocy.

And if you can acknowledge that this symbol has been used as a symbol of racism and are aware of the history of racism in this country, in which millions of your fellow human beings suffered and generation after generation struggled to live and die pain filled lives enduring the subjugation of being treated like subhuman creatures....

If you're aware of all that. And you still want to fly that flag. That cool. But what does that say about you?

[El Muffin]

Gone @Oriental

My night batty don't see too many unnaturallized Asian pplz cept viet shrimp farmers on gulf Coast

He no no no better

http://onestopgrocerystore.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Maruchan-Ramen-Oriental-3-Ounce-Packages-Pack-of-24-0.jpg

He means well. But I think I understand his stance on this deep south shit

[El Muffin]

A flag can have more than one meaning.

I'm willing to grant the there are historic meanings behind that flag that are significant to people from the south.

But choosing to ignore the FACT that this flag as been co-opted by white supremacist hate groups as a symbol of oppression against so called inferior races is pure idiocy.

And if you can acknowledge that this symbol has been used as a symbol of racism and are aware of the history of racism in this country, in which millions of your fellow human beings suffered and generation after generation struggled to live and die pain filled lives enduring the subjugation of being treated like subhuman creatures....

If you're aware of all that. And you still want to fly that flag. That cool. But what does that say about you?

So way about the Washington Redskins

I ain't flying shit. Btw

[Destroyer]

These are the same people that ignore the fact that the Bible contains instructions on subjugating people, slave trades, bride-prices and indiscriminate massacre, but oh yeah there is that one part about being nice...

[El Muffin]

IT'S A SYMBOL OF SECESSION MORE THAN SLAVERY RACISM.STUFF


MORE SENSATIONALISM

To ppl who can't relate they see the flag n immediately think racism

We don't down hete. It just induces curiosity

Who's flying it n why

They got balls coz there's too many ignorant wolves out there that'll peg u as a evil sumbitch

[fraze]

If that was real, you'd see more of these pro-Dixie flag people denounce the association with skin heads, Nazi's, and the KKK. They're quick to protest being asked to take the flag down, but they're not asking any of the bigots to stop associating themselves with it.

Did you ever wonder why that is?


Edit: I'm from Kentucky, I have definitely seen both sides of this issue. I'm just asking you to use your critical thinking skills.

[El Muffin]

Tied to add this to my last post

Slavery was just a part of the economy. A terrible practice that would have died eventually if the south had won

[Destroyer]

And so often the flag is displayed coupled with the phrase 'the south will rise again.'
what part of the south is that referring to Batty, sweet tea everywhere?

[El Muffin]

If that was real, you'd see more of these pro-Dixie flag people denounce the association with skin heads, Nazi's, and the KKK. They're quick to protest being asked to take the flag down, but they're not asking any of the bigots to stop associating themselves with it.

Did you ever wonder why that is?


Edit: I'm from Kentucky, I have definitely seen both sides of this issue. I'm just asking you to use your critical thinking skills.

COz Noone gives a duck about the kkk or skinheads

Too much American history x

They protest the flag be in taken down but also dislike the ones using it to propel hate. Those groups need not be mentiined. They are irrelevant. Why would u try to convince a hate group to stop flying they standard. Let me hate. Who cares. Luckily the issue is being modernized.

[veritas]

These are the same people that ignore the fact that the Bible contains instructions on subjugating people, slave trades, bride-prices and indiscriminate massacre, but oh yeah there is that one part about being nice...

First of all....it is my job to know you better than you know yourself. This stepdad issue has caused a bitterness. It makes sense. I wish you would just man up and own it. Safe place remember.

As for stats I posted them. YOU POSTED STATS OF ALL DEATHS FROM RELIGION REMEMBER LOLZORD!

THEY WEREN'T EVEN CLOSE TO THE ABORTION DEATHS ALONE.

CMON JUDE.

[Destroyer]

abortions aren't deaths so...

[El Muffin]

And so often the flag is displayed coupled with the phrase 'the south will rise again.'
what part of the south is that referring to Batty, sweet tea everywhere?

Lmao. Where

I see this rarely n I live in Mississippi

Have half of my dam in ms

But even that phrase is up for discussion

Those are just the ignorant being ignorant

Oh u think they really think a re-enslavement is possible?

No. It's a desire to become relevant again tbh. But I rarely see that phrase

[fraze]

Slavery was just a part of the economy. A terrible practice that would have died eventually if the south had won

Muff you have no idea what you're talking about.

Slavery WAS the Southern economy. Slaves were property, they held value and were traded like assets. The South was entirely agriculture dependent and they were able to move so far beyond the subsistence farming more typical of the time because of the steady supply of free labor. This allowed them to expand to cash crops and rake in sizeable profits without worrying about labor costs as businesses expanded. This created a large competitive advantage that coupled with the ideal farming climates of the South and later technological advances of the Industrial Revolution made it difficult for other parts of the world to compete.

The slave economy of the South literally built, fed, and paid for much of America.

But yeah, you're right, they we're just gonna give all that up eventually.

[Batty]

Gone @Oriental

My night batty don't see too many unnaturallized Asian pplz cept viet shrimp farmers on gulf Coast

He no no no better

http://onestopgrocerystore.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Maruchan-Ramen-Oriental-3-Ounce-Packages-Pack-of-24-0.jpg

He means well. But I think I understand his stance on this deep south shit


Bruh, fr fr I work with a bunch of Asian ppls, real talk. One of the security guards at work lookin straight like Jet Li.

But yo, Destroyer ...seriously. I don't have a problem with them taking that flag down at every government institution, I promise it don't bother me. It's the fact that it's become such a conspiracy type thing and trying to force shame on ppl. Fuck it, I'm all for being respectful and not wanting to offend ppl but this shit is straight stupid to call anybody with a flag to be racist.

Same with the Nazi flag, white supremacy groups started using that shit too but there are some legit ppl out there who just want to preserve the flags for historical reasons or just be coz they are war buffs in general.

This shit is getting into censorship territory and repression, that shit ain't American.

As for the religion thing, me and V disagree on a lot of it all, but yo, alphas can do that. We have had discussions and flat out arguments. We got respect for each other for being real. We been through our wigger phases and grew up and developed our own styles. Trust, some of these white dudes trying to dress like Rob Dyrdek well into their 30s just ain't where's at.

Real respects real, but I also respect trolls.

[El Muffin]

fraze

Dude there were alot of confederates who said and I can quote

That slavery was a practice that would self implode because of Morality/pressure

Do ur history. Jefferson Davis was among them

No shit. Your long as post is common knowledge

It made money...it sustained them. Dude that shit is toxic as fuck. Trust if Slavery persisted u would have seem the first successful invasion of us soil


BET THAT

I hate when ppl post large eloquent paragraphs that ate 3rd grade facts

Dude even the higher ups knew slavery could not persist forever

[Destroyer]

fuxkin Muffert E Lee in here

[fraze]

Where else in the world do you have a situation where you can run a business, and instead of labor costs, you just have a one time fixed cost that gets you an appreciating asset over the next 50 years, free labor, and allows you to farm the most profitable crops in the world (heard of tobacco and cotton) with no additional work on your part?

If you answered slavery, you are correct.

[veritas]

abortions aren't deaths so...

Ok. Even sans the abortions world war one and two and Korea and naziism and communism far eclipse yiur stats.

Let's talk about your bitterness thougj bro. Ok?

[El Muffin]

U obv didn't read wat I just said

Slavery economic boom but also the bane of its existence had it persisted for too long

Specially AFTER the civil war

Think butterfly effect

Shot would have changed worldwide

[Destroyer]

yeah let's talk about how I'm SO bitter, I've made three threads in the last two days about how much I hate god...

[veritas]

The bible never condoned slavery in modern terms. It was indentured servitude and could only be for 7 years guys.

[Batty]

And so often the flag is displayed coupled with the phrase 'the south will rise again.'
what part of the south is that referring to Batty, sweet tea everywhere?

Sweet tea everywhere, yes most definitely. South will rise again? Hell to the fuck naw. If somebody had that shit on something around here, we'd be like "wtf that supposed to mean??"

That's old dramatized type shit from 70's movies or somethin, trust. Muff and V will co-sign, people ain't running around with some racist shit displayed. Real talk, a dude I used to work with was into civil war reenactments, he was really nice and everything and he tried to explain his love for the flag and how he meant nothing racist or disrespectful by it. One day he asked me if I'd sign a petition to help him get it flown. He was nice and I did not doubt his intentions but I declined, I told him I respect his love for it but it's not something that I care enough to support.

[Destroyer]

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

[Destroyer]

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

[El Muffin]

He talm bout his hoes des

Lol jk but kinda srs

U can buy a male hoe n a woman hoe

Lmao jk yall back on jebus so I gtg I dunno shot about jebus

[Batty]

fraze

Dude there were alot of confederates who said and I can quote

That slavery was a practice that would self implode because of Morality/pressure

Do ur history. Jefferson Davis was among them

No shit. Your long as post is common knowledge

It made money...it sustained them. Dude that shit is toxic as fuck. Trust if Slavery persisted u would have seem the first successful invasion of us soil


BET THAT

I hate when ppl post large eloquent paragraphs that ate 3rd grade facts

Dude even the higher ups knew slavery could not persist forever


Word, I even posted that shit myself earlier in this thread but these dudes ain't trying to hear it. Plans to get out of slavery had already been set in motion and black Confederate Soldiers were actually getting equal pay.

Plus also noted, the north had slaves and they paid their black soldiers less than their white.

Also posted how republicans used to for black people and Democrats were against black people.

Wonder where some of these armchair historians think the KKK came from???

Guesses? Anyone?

Wanna touch on the gay issue yet?

Lars peen to Zelph's butt to thread?

[El Muffin]

"Cot dammit who cut these holes. I can't see shiiiit!"

[Witty]

Ok. Even sans the abortions world war one and two and Korea and naziism and communism far eclipse yiur stats.

Let's talk about your bitterness thougj bro. Ok?

Hitler openly stated a few times that he was doing it for God, he was absolutely religious and driven by said religion. Here are some quotes from Mein Kampf:

"I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.." As a boy, Hitler attended to the Catholic church and experienced the anti-Semitic attitude of his culture. In his book, Mein Kampf, Hitler reveals himself as a fanatical believer in God and country. This text presents selected quotes from the infamous anti-Semite himself.

My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.... When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited.

People ask: is there someone fit to be our leader? Our task is not to search for that person. Either God will give him to us or he will not come. Our task is to shape the sword that he will need when he comes. Our task it to provide the leader with a nation which is ready for him when he comes! My fellow Germans, awaken! The new day is dawning!

We are determined, as leaders of the nation, to fulfill as a national government the task which has been given to us, swearing fidelity only to God, our conscience, and our Volk.... This the national government will regard its first and foremost duty to restore the unity of spirit and purpose of our Volk. It will preserve and defend the foundations upon which the power of our nation rests. It will take Christianity, as the basis of our collective morality, and the family as the nucleus of our Volk and state, under its firm protection....May God Almighty take our work into his grace, give true form to our will, bless our insight, and endow us with the trust of our Volk.

The Catholic Church considered the Jews pestilent for fifteen hundred years, put them in ghettos, etc, because it recognized the Jews for what they were".... I recognize the representatives of this race as pestilent for the state and for the church and perhaps I am thereby doing Christianity a great service by pushing them out of schools and public functions.

Can I make it any clearer?

[Witty]

Also posted how republicans used to for black people and Democrats were against black people.


Actually there was an equal swap over of the ideals of both democrats and republicans, can't remember the time period, the people who supported slavery were republicans as defined today.

[El Muffin]

Hitler was a crazy as meth head

Not relevant

N u could pay for absolution back in the times where u got that quote referring to catholicism

More crazy

Let's leave lunacy out Mr fox

[Destroyer]

Hitler was a crazy as meth head

Not relevant

N u could pay for absolution back in the times where u got that quote

More crazy

Let's leave lunacy out Mr fox

Muff, you're a black dude in here advocating for the confederate flag and the south, and basically saying slavery was almost over before the civil war, and you want to leave lunacy out of the conversation?

I'm not sure that's possible homie

[El Muffin]

That's all u took from it?

You clearly are just posting bs now

I'm advocating for the ppl who I know aren't bigots n don't want to see the flag removed because TO THEM it's a symbol of resilience n bravery

There are a few ppl who champion it for other reasons


Me. I personally don't give a duck

But don't u dare say all ppl who display the flag are bigots

You are ignorant if that's the case. N incapable of seeing the big picture

[fraze]

Actually there was an equal swap over of the ideals of both democrats and republicans, can't remember the time period, the people who supported slavery were republicans as defined today.

Thats correct. After the Civil Rights legislature passed in the 1960s (advocated by Democrats) southern Democrats aka Dixiecrats aka think Strom Thurmond left the Democratic party and flipped to the Republican side. This is when the social realignment of occurred and the Republican party started moving towards more anti-minority policies.

[Destroyer]

uh oh guys, don't go posting facts now
this is a thread about magical sky fairies

[El Muffin]

Think Washington redskins

I wonder how many ppl are like "ducking red skin indian SAVAGES"

Instead of championing the "warrior spirit."

Analogy.

Terrible n insensitive(n a Lil bit off) but I'm Tryon to help u see where I'm coming from

[fraze]

I hate when ppl post large eloquent paragraphs that ate 3rd grade facts

Dude even the higher ups knew slavery could not persist forever

I'm just trying to keep it simple enough for people to follow along. If I get too deep people just start glazing over. Yes, people knew slavery couldn't last forever. Yes they knew it was wrong. But they still wanted to make it go on for as long as they could.

Its the same thing we're seeing with global warming right now. Our effect on the climate is going to result in the deaths of millions of people who live in coastal areas (something that is already starting). But the deniers would rather obfuscate truth and try to keep the oil money rolling in for as long as possible.

Because they can, and because it's profitable.

[El Muffin]

Like I said I'm pretty sure from my own expierences that white ppl who fly the flag have immense pride for their forefathers bravery to revolt against an incursion to their normalcy

Not "HEY NIGGERS. WE GONNA SHACKLE U AGAIN ONE DAY"

Lol n if they do. I implore them to try

Like the world would stand idly by

[El Muffin]

I'm just trying to keep it simple enough for people to follow along. If I get too deep people just start glazing over. Yes, people knew slavery couldn't last forever. Yes they knew it was wrong. But they still wanted to make it go on for as long as they could.

Its the same thing we're seeing with global warming right now. Our effect on the climate is going to result in the deaths of millions of people who live in coastal areas (something that is already starting). But the deniers would rather obfuscate truth and try to keep the oil money rolling in for as long as possible.

Because they can, and because it's profitable.


Mmk I have a feeling this is a lesser stance from way u said earlier but I can dig it. Mostly correct

[Split Eight]

I mean, wow bro. Again, I drop a fact on you...it is documented and proven that it happened but you ain't trying to hear that, right?????

Actually, nope again. It's because you blamed Bush for Obama's failings. That's a red flag tbh (no confed tho)

This is sad dude
You're trying really, really hard to put a spin on things

If you want, you can tell me what Obama did, you can tell me what he inherited before he came in office, and I'll give you my evaluation of the facts?



You sure there weren't a lot of Dukes of Hazard fans in the 70's that just thought it looked cool?

http://ih0.redbubble.net/image.11862861.9489/flat,550x550,075,f.jpg

I mean, unless you think that everybody with a Sons of Anarchy shirt supports bike gangs.

Okay well the Swastika was my town soccer team's symbol so anyone saying its offensive is just ignorant

Can't they see its just part of my towns heritage????



You miss the point again. Once things start becoming culturally acceptable, do we not see a trend of what was once culturally acceptable being discriminated against? Case-in-point, Veritas is the only dude on this website dropping bible verses and that shit went over well, huh?
That doesn't mean it's discrimination



What would be your reasoning for thinking it doesn't happen?

You do know that it has been a topic researched and debated for a few years now, right?

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/12/21/white.persecution/index.html

I mean, you can pick your own news service that you like for further Goggling...

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/jury-fulton-discriminated-againt-white-male-job-ap/nRPnf/

^Ware said the jury shouldn’t have heard secondhand testimony that Commissioner Emma Darnell played a role, allegedly telling a deputy county manager that she had “too many white boys” in Human Services and the new director should be black and female.

I mean, it is flat out retarded to think that racism isn't universal.

The way that racism affects majorities is completely and totally inconsequential

For your six stories about some white dude not getting hired because of some random black dude in HR, I could find hundreds of thousands of stories about discrimination against black people, because statistically, they are discriminated against and do worse in EVERY metric except maybe professional sports




HAHAHAHA! are we arguing how well they perform in school now? Because yo, that is a totally different argument and I hope you are smart enough to know so.

No it's not



But yo, you shouldn't bring opinions to a fact fight. lmao
It's more of a debate and you're really fixating hard on this facts/ opinions thing

You straight up backed down from that "an entire company of black people only let whites work for corn meal in the laundry room" fact huh?

If you want we can make it a "fact fight" lmao but I don't want to spend an afternoon on my laptop posting an entire thread building a case that no one will want to read


I think you should really take an Ethics class and stay tuned for the segment on racism and discrimination