Bernie Sanders is the Antichrist!

[8===D~~~~(}:]

Beware of Bernie Sanders! It is prophesied that the antichrist will be so well loved and looked up to (Bernie Sanders). Wake up!

[Inno]

Fitting coming from an anti-lip

[8===D~~~~(}:]

Fitting coming from a fat guy who doesn't usually fit

[Witty]

I thought Obama was the antichrist.

Did the devil change his mind?

And which version of the anti-christ is he? John's plural version (which basically says any atheist is the antichrist) as this is the only book of the bible to actually use that term? Or was it either of the anitchrist like figures in Revelation, that being the horned beast of the earth or the many headed beast of the sea?

Pick one.

[uh-oh]

No one with a brain fucks with bernie sanders tho

Only people i see riding him are blacks and hippies

Without having looked into him to much i just figured hes a socialist faggot

[Diode]

No one with a brain fucks with bernie sanders tho

Only people i see riding him are blacks and hippies

Without having looked into him to much i just figured hes a socialist faggot

you'd be homeless and starved to death if it wasn't for "socialism"

[Destroyer]

socialist democrats are still capitalists
they just think it should work better for everyone instead of a select few at the top
if you don't think sanders is the best chance we have, you're a fucking idiot
period

[uh-oh]

you'd be homeless and starved to death if it wasn't for "socialism"

Explain

[uh-oh]

Lets take diodes money and give it to me

Its not like diode worked hard his whole life to get where he is at or anything. Im american too i should benefit from his prosperity

Fuck out of here

America should reward those who advance there position and do nothing for those who refuse to

[uh-oh]

I gotta punch back in so i wont be able to respond til after 5. Because im american and work for everything i got and dont expect the government to hold my hand through life.

But i look forward to engaging you guys later

[Destroyer]

I think I'd be fine with just restructuring campaign contributions so that people can no longer purchase political offices

[Witty]

Lets take diodes money and give it to me

Its not like diode worked hard his whole life to get where he is at or anything. Im american too i should benefit from his prosperity

Fuck out of here

America should reward those who advance there position and do nothing for those who refuse to

Do you have any idea how many socialist programs already exist in america and pretty much every modern country?

Like diode said, you wouldn't have the life you have without them.

[Witty]

Your education.
Your pension.
Employee health insurance
Social security system
Medicare

All of these are socialist programs, and there are many more...any tax credits, public housing, housing for orphans or abandoned children, foster children, short term disability benefit, food stamps, etc. Society would literally fall apart without socialism.

[Diode]

Do you have any idea how many socialist programs already exist in america and pretty much every modern country?

Like diode said, you wouldn't have the life you have without them.

He doesn't.

He has zero context or understanding for where his subsidies, tax breaks, social programs, etc. come from. I've tried many times over the years.

[Witty]

Military, police, firefighters, teachers, all public roads, FDA, EPA, your justice system, sewage treatment, all infrastructure, warning systems, internet availability, postal service.

The list goes on and on.

[Batty]

I never like to get into the whole antichrist debate, I've only ever truly thought that 1 person in history could be the antichrist and that 1 person is Joel Osteen.

[8===D~~~~(}:]

Let's not stray from the topic guys

[Witty]

Let's not stray from the topic guys

You didn't answer my question.

[Diode]

I never like to get into the whole antichrist debate, I've only ever truly thought that 1 person in history could be the antichrist and that 1 person is Joel Osteen.

have these reps, for i am risen

[Pastor Troy]

Witty
good stuff Mate.

I always felt uh oh or whatever this guy ...... was ignorant .

Diode made his point straight

[Destroyer]

the antichrist isn't real so yeah
maybe we can talk about real shit

[8===D~~~~(}:]

the antichrist isn't real so yeah
maybe we can talk about real shit

You wanna talk about real shit? Alright so let's talk about the quality of Strikta votes

[8===D~~~~(}:]

Witty I prefer not to respond to people in limbo

[Inno]

socialist fuck yeah!!!!

[Strikta]

Bitch nigga plz keep my name out ur posts.

[Witty]

Witty I prefer not to respond to people in limbo

It's cuz you have no idea about what is actually written in the Bible whereas I do.

Just because I don't take it all as truth doesn't mean I don't know what it says.

[8===D~~~~(}:]

Bitch nigga plz keep my name out ur posts.

Make sure you show for the draft

[veritas]

The majority of you are currently antichrists.

[fraze]

Lets take diodes money and give it to me

Its not like diode worked hard his whole life to get where he is at or anything. Im american too i should benefit from his prosperity

Fuck out of here

America should reward those who advance there position and do nothing for those who refuse to

this is all assuming that the only difference between the people who are successful and the ones who aren't is their work ethic. while it is a convenient simplification of the narrative it is pretty far from the truth.

success is as much about access as it is about ability. if you don't have access to resources, your chances of success are pretty close to nil. and if you do have access to resources, your ability is a much less significant factor in your outcomes.

i think america should enable everyone to have access to avenues for success, and otherwise not be involved in picking who wins and loses. america shouldn't be rewarding anyone at the expense of anyone else, it should get out the way and let peoples work reward themselves.

[Junto]

uh oh you have the intelligence of a fuckin tree sloth homie. no offense.

[Hush]

Liperacci

[Strikta]

Apocalips.

[uh-oh]

Your education.
Your pension.
Employee health insurance
Social security system
Medicare

All of these are socialist programs, and there are many more...any tax credits, public housing, housing for orphans or abandoned children, foster children, short term disability benefit, food stamps, etc. Society would literally fall apart without socialism.
literally the only thing you mentioned that directly effects me is education, which i used to hang out with friends, do no homework, get passed with failing grades to just keep me moving along until high school which i dropped out of after failing 9th grade twice because i skipped school more than i attended.

then i paid for a GED. with money diode sent me. HOLLA. paid him back tho so i paid for it lol.

lol'd at pension. you think i got a pension? any type of retirement? hell no. i'm a peasant.

lol'd at employee health insurance. i have to pay for my own health insurance, thanks to the socialist obama. which i don't pay for, i would rather pay the penalty at the end of the year.

social security is MY MONEY. when i collect it, it will be because I PAID INTO IT. the only people who get it for free are literal retards. its my belief they should be thrown off a cliff at birth.

medicare lol. another thing that i make too much money to have ever benefitted from

i've never received special tax credits. i don't have kids i can't afford to steal money from the government. only time i've used foodstamps aka welfare money was when i purchased them from someone who was actually able to get them.

i dont give a fuck about orphans or abandoned children wtf are you on about? i'm worried about ME.

i have NO problem with my tax money funding certain government agencies. space is dope. take my money nasa. police and firemen are cool. take my money. military? take most of the money i'm taxed, PLEASE

i don't view any of that as socialist. maybe it is on paper? my idea of socialism is the government controlling everything, hindering those doing good to help those doing bad.

if you're doing bad help yourself.

you could get a shit roll of the dice and have no opportunity. but hey, thats life. you couldve been born in the fucking congo

get your shit together america

[uh-oh]

Witty
good stuff Mate.

I always felt uh oh or whatever this guy ...... was ignorant .

Diode made his point straight

he said nothing other than disagree. thats all he ever does.

drops one word disagreements, when asked to elaborate he says NOTHING, then says something like i've told him a bunch of times. lmao where?

why do you think i clown on your opinions Diode? in the vein of "and diode enters with his opinion that is fact" etc.

its because you just come in and never say anything.

[Witty]

literally the only thing you mentioned that directly effects me is education, which i used to hang out with friends, do no homework, get passed with failing grades to just keep me moving along until high school which i dropped out of after failing 9th grade twice because i skipped school more than i attended.

then i paid for a GED. with money diode sent me. HOLLA. paid him back tho so i paid for it lol.

lol'd at pension. you think i got a pension? any type of retirement? hell no. i'm a peasant.

lol'd at employee health insurance. i have to pay for my own health insurance, thanks to the socialist obama. which i don't pay for, i would rather pay the penalty at the end of the year.

social security is MY MONEY. when i collect it, it will be because I PAID INTO IT. the only people who get it for free are literal retards. its my belief they should be thrown off a cliff at birth.

medicare lol. another thing that i make too much money to have ever benefitted from

i've never received special tax credits. i don't have kids i can't afford to steal money from the government. only time i've used foodstamps aka welfare money was when i purchased them from someone who was actually able to get them.

i dont give a fuck about orphans or abandoned children wtf are you on about? i'm worried about ME.

i have NO problem with my tax money funding certain government agencies. space is dope. take my money nasa. police and firemen are cool. take my money. military? take most of the money i'm taxed, PLEASE

i don't view any of that as socialist. maybe it is on paper? my idea of socialism is the government controlling everything, hindering those doing good to help those doing bad.

if you're doing bad help yourself.

you could get a shit roll of the dice and have no opportunity. but hey, thats life. you couldve been born in the fucking congo

get your shit together america

Whether it effects you or not is completely irrelevant. All of those things are essential for a country to operate.

Also, I think plenty of things there MUST effect you, No roads wouldn't effect you? or bridges? the justice system? sewage treatment? having internet available? the postal service?

And you just admitted you are for socialism when it is something YOU stand for, like police or the military...but not when you are not directly effected or interested? That's not an opposition to socialism, that is selfishness...you like socialism if you agree with funding the military, you like it if you agree with education, you like it if it funds the police or fire services, or if it gives you roads to drive on, sidewalks, the internet, etc. You can't pick and choose what you like and claim it isn't socialism, it IS socialism and your definition is incorrect.

[big baby]

The dumbest faggots on the site hover between hush, strikta and uh oh.

[uh-oh]

Whether it effects you or not is completely irrelevant. All of those things are essential for a country to operate.

Also, I think plenty of things there MUST effect you, No roads wouldn't effect you? or bridges? the justice system? sewage treatment? having internet available? the postal service?

And you just admitted you are for socialism when it is something YOU stand for, like police or the military...but not when you are not directly effected or interested? That's not an opposition to socialism, that is selfishness...you like socialism if you agree with funding the military, you like it if you agree with education, you like it if it funds the police or fire services, or if it gives you roads to drive on, sidewalks, the internet, etc. You can't pick and choose what you like and claim it isn't socialism, it IS socialism and your definition is incorrect.
cool lets argue semantics

i know socialism as the government basically owning everything including your earnings, and redistributing wealth amongst everyone. people who make more, get more taken, people who make less get more given

thats nonsense.

i'm all for roads and bridges. i use those. and guess what. my tax money goes towards paying that. as well as the police, fire fighters, teachers, military and everything else.

i already feel i pay too much. the roads are shit. i live in ohio. by the time they are patched efficiently its winter again and the cycle renews.

when a candidate is deemed socialist in america it basically means they want to tax people who are more fortunate to help those less fortunate.

thats nonsense.

and people always try and say shit, like uhoh you are someone who would benefit from these programs, but i've never benefitted from shit, i've never received any form of help from the government, and i don't wish too. unless you count my dogshit education or the fact i use public roads. got me! socialism!

[8===D~~~~(}:]

The dumbest faggots on the site hover between hush, strikta and uh oh.

Agreed except uh oh is straight

[Witty]

cool lets argue semantics

i know socialism as the government basically owning everything including your earnings, and redistributing wealth amongst everyone. people who make more, get more taken, people who make less get more given

thats nonsense.

i'm all for roads and bridges. i use those. and guess what. my tax money goes towards paying that. as well as the police, fire fighters, teachers, military and everything else.

i already feel i pay too much. the roads are shit. i live in ohio. by the time they are patched efficiently its winter again and the cycle renews.

when a candidate is deemed socialist in america it basically means they want to tax people who are more fortunate to help those less fortunate.

thats nonsense.

and people always try and say shit, like uhoh you are someone who would benefit from these programs, but i've never benefitted from shit, i've never received any form of help from the government, and i don't wish too. unless you count my dogshit education or the fact i use public roads. got me! socialism!

Of course you've received help from the government...A SHIT TON OF HELP lmao did you even read what I wrote?

You lack a basic understanding of what socialism actually is.

And btw the idea of taxing the rich more is not an idea based on 'we don't want them to have so much money', it is essential to have a proper middle class, which is essential for maintaining an economy. America does not have a middle class. Taxing the rich more would go a long way toward creating one again, which would in turn benefit EVERYONE...the rich and the poor alike.

[Pastor Troy]

uh-oh

U still Sound ignorant to me.

Witty the G thou

[fraze]

cool lets argue semantics

i know socialism as the government basically owning everything including your earnings, and redistributing wealth amongst everyone. people who make more, get more taken, people who make less get more given

thats nonsense.

i'm all for roads and bridges. i use those. and guess what. my tax money goes towards paying that. as well as the police, fire fighters, teachers, military and everything else.

i already feel i pay too much. the roads are shit. i live in ohio. by the time they are patched efficiently its winter again and the cycle renews.

when a candidate is deemed socialist in america it basically means they want to tax people who are more fortunate to help those less fortunate.

thats nonsense.

and people always try and say shit, like uhoh you are someone who would benefit from these programs, but i've never benefitted from shit, i've never received any form of help from the government, and i don't wish too. unless you count my dogshit education or the fact i use public roads. got me! socialism!

i don't think you have a full understanding of what socialism is or how it works. it's not so much that you would take more from the rich and give to the poor. socialism is a belief in a society where everyone contributes to the public well being according to their ability. the government provides the services that everyone depends on, which become assets that everyone has partial ownership in.

this is opposed to capitalism where survival of the fittest basically applies and whoever is the strongest will just take the biggest slice of the pie, regardless of the needs of and cost to other people. pure capitalism wouldnt include socialist concepts like "regulations" so there would be no one to make sure there isn't pink slime in your big mac no one around to tell bp to clean up after themselves when they geyser oil over the gulf.

in order to have a stable society in the long term, you need aspects of both of these systems. the capitalist parts regulate trade, provide incentives for innovation, and provides a mechanism for class mobility. the socialist parts ensure there is a safety net to hedge against random misfortune, provide the basic services deemed necessary for humane life and social order, and to provide for people who are less able to provide for themselves (sick, eldery, disabled, etc).

you should spend some time educating yourself about how the government and the economy work because most of the information youre reciting is strategically misinformed political propaganda. socialism is only evil because the conservatives tied it to communism during the cold war when russia was our enemies. that has nothing to do with actual reality where the majority of the services governments provide are socialist in nature.

[Junto]

And btw the idea of taxing the rich more is not an idea based on 'we don't want them to have so much money', it is essential to have a proper middle class, which is essential for maintaining an economy. America does not have a middle class. Taxing the rich more would go a long way toward creating one again, which would in turn benefit EVERYONE...the rich and the poor alike.

the part where this fails is at the middleman though Wittenberg...
If we had a government that was takin 25 points & dishin 20 back out, okay...
But that ain't the case. Check the "2.3 trillion unaccounted for" on 9/10/2001.
not to take it toward old tower conspiracy at all... that's just one of many wild examples

Republican economics is based on free market/limited fed gov & I'm wit that
The influence of the 1% on politics thru the Citizens United ruling is big though
Now most the politicians on that side appease Koch brothers, etc. or don't win


Lets take diodes money and give it to me

Its not like diode worked hard his whole life to get where he is at or anything. Im american too i should benefit from his prosperity

Fuck out of here

America should reward those who advance there position and do nothing for those who refuse to

it's not about Diode money hahaha no jab toward the big baller...
but I don't think he got nowhere near $100M+
Those the people who can use their position to NOT pay into the system fairly
...and like I said before, I don't think our taxes are distributed efficiently
But when u got a $B doin it while public school teachers only makin 35K, somethin ain't right

Bernie the mac is tryna take that shit down... so I fuck wit him

Uh-oh IS the majority of voters though, not us guys. So.......

[Witty]

I agree there are other steps that would have to be taken, an increase in taxes for the highest earners alone won't fix things, it is an important step in its own right tho and will need to be done at some point.

Also, I googled what you mentioned and I could only find it mentioned on reddit and some completely random websites (including a dating site lol) could you get me a link to a credible source?

[Witty]

Also, from what I can see Bernie Sanders is the only potential candidate worth a shit on either side.

[Junto]

I agree there are other steps that would have to be taken, an increase in taxes for the highest earners alone won't fix things, it is an important step in its own right tho and will need to be done at some point.

Also, I googled what you mentioned and I could only find it mentioned on reddit and some completely random websites (including a dating site lol) could you get me a link to a credible source?

what? which part? it worries me that u can't... I assume ur a competent Google'r haha
so that's real strange that ur not gettin it in top searches, whichever point it is

"2.3 trillion unaccounted for" on 9/10/2001

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px1t1-a9uxk

That doesn't address it FULLY cuz it's in the context of September 11, but still a good one to watch
Or if you type in "adversary's closer to home. It's the Pentagon" + "Rumsfeld"
There's a www.defense.gov transcript of his speech... but only a ***hed version ???

The influence of the 1% on politics thru the Citizens United ruling is big though
Now most the politicians on that side appease Koch brothers, etc. or don't win

http://peoplesworld.org/citizens-united-enabling-koch-brothers-to-take-over-america/

You can find a whole lotta articles about that mess though I'm sure

[uh-oh]

see now junto is on point

i can only hope that my views are the majority tho, my main opposition and reasoning for attacking bernie is because of this new generation of millenial hippies who feel they are owed something.

i get on facebook and literally everything is hate for any republican, and love for bernie sanders. i've even seen people show love for hilary

it disgusts me. i'm not with it.

while free college, free healthcare and shit like that sounds delicious on paper, it means they will tax everyone more, and people with over 100 million a crazy amount more. if i have 100 million, i shouldn't be penalized for it. at worst i should have to pay a flat percentage that everyone has to pay and honestly that is overboard. when you take in the fact that 1/5 of my check goes to the government before i ever see it, its still only like 60 dollars. but meanwhile if my checks were what some ceo makes, i cant even fathom what 1/5 of their check is. they should be entitled to as much of their money as i am.

if bernie was talking about redistributing the government funds we already have to bring free healthcare and college in, beautiful

i'm just not a fan of more taxes. lets cut aid to israel. lets cut aid to pakistan. etc. all the billions to trillions we pay other countries. lets tax the shit out of foreign countries buying american goods. and selling them. if china wants to sell their cheap shit here, tax the fuck out of it. create incentive for shit to be made in america blah blah

the government has more than enough money already to put all these plans into place, but at the end of the day bernies running a multi million campaign funded by the people he plans to penalize.

and the youth eat the shit up. 15 dollars an hour minimum wage? yay bernie!

but hey reality check. the minimum wage means nothing. if everyone in my building starts making 15 an hour, do you think the landlord is gonna be cool still charging 450? you think mcdonalds is gonna continue selling dollar cheeseburgers?

small businesses will be forced to raise prices on their goods just to pay their employees

the minimum wage is only a problem in big cities where the cost of living is astronomical. i could support myself on minimum wage. could i support a family? hell no. should i start a family while working minimum wage? NO. in this society where women and men work, both of them making minimum wage gives them their 15 dollars an hour, where they can raise shitty kids just above the poverty line.

minimum wage shouldn't make you into the middle class. that should be a MEDIAN wage

but what do i know

[uh-oh]

and just keep in mind that i hate all politicians. i think every republican is as scummy as every democrat


i just choose to go with the lesser of two evils, in my mind. i miss ron paul.

i haven't looked into his kid. don't know if they're similair enough to warrant it. but i'm a state rights dude. minimal government etc

[Witty]

Junto it was the 2.3 trillion unaccounted for.

I just googled that and the date quickly and didn't see much. I'll peep the vid tho.
uh-oh i give up with you lol

[uh-oh]

witty your trying to say since i use public roads i owe my life to socialism

[veritas]

Any man who does not consider Jesus the Christ is anti christ. It is a spirit. It will literally be a man shortly.

Just as Jesus was the spirit of God manifest in the flesh so too shall the antichrist be the spirit of the devil manifest in a man.

[Chill Phil]

i have absolutely NO CLUE who the fuck Bernie Sanders is....

[Witty]

witty your trying to say since i use public roads i owe my life to socialism

lmao no i am not.

What I am trying to say is socialism is important and vital to every civilized society, and without it, your standard of living would be lower.

[Pastor Troy]

Bags
hey Big lebowski.
How the fuck u gonna raise a daughter with that kinda attitude


dumb ass Pounds are for British . Not euros.
and im not british.

[Sharp]

witty your trying to say since i use public roads i owe my life to socialism

Any man who does not consider Jesus the Christ is anti christ. It is a spirit. It will literally be a man shortly.

Just as Jesus was the spirit of God manifest in the flesh so too shall the antichrist be the spirit of the devil manifest in a man.


I think we have a 2 man Republican National Convention going on

[uh-oh]

lmao no i am not.

What I am trying to say is socialism is important and vital to every civilized society, and without it, your standard of living would be lower.

Elements of socialism can be productive to society on the whole. Word.

But socialism in its true form is malarkey. Same could be argued for any form of government.

Im not a fan of extra socialist aspects being added to our society.

Literally the only president to have a direct impact on my life was obama the socialist hero of the millenials. That impact was negative

Pardon me if if i dont jump on the bandwagon of the next candidate being supported by those same people.

[Witty]

OBAMA IS NOT A SOCIALIST.

jesus lol

The closest he gets is a social democrat but he doesn't even really fit that title either

He created the stimulus program which saw CORPORATE America's income and profits levels go higher than ever.

Obamacare has a tiny element of socialism to it, but much less than previous republican plans. The NHS is socialist (and a Godsend), Obamacare is a regulated free market, it didn't give handouts to people who don't work as hard as others, as I'm sure is what you believe, subsidies only apply to those with incomes between 100% and 400% of the Federal Poverty Level, which means they are working, and paying taxes...contributing just as much as you.

America has always had a capitalist economy mixed with elements of socialism, Obama has done literally nothing to change that in any way, and if anything, what he has done leans towards the capitalist ideology. He has made LESS regulations than President Bush. Obama has never called for the end of private property rights. He has not made unions mandatory, they are VOLUNTARY. He really hasn't done much of anything socialist at all. All the socialist programs were there before him as far as I can tell. And you are not a fan of extra socialist aspects being added? How do you know? Which do you particularly oppose? What are the extra socialist aspect being suggested that you do not like?

[Diode]

cool lets argue semantics

i know socialism as the government basically owning everything including your earnings, and redistributing wealth amongst everyone. people who make more, get more taken, people who make less get more given

thats nonsense.

i'm all for roads and bridges. i use those. and guess what. my tax money goes towards paying that. as well as the police, fire fighters, teachers, military and everything else.

i already feel i pay too much. the roads are shit. i live in ohio. by the time they are patched efficiently its winter again and the cycle renews.

when a candidate is deemed socialist in america it basically means they want to tax people who are more fortunate to help those less fortunate.

thats nonsense.

and people always try and say shit, like uhoh you are someone who would benefit from these programs, but i've never benefitted from shit, i've never received any form of help from the government, and i don't wish too. unless you count my dogshit education or the fact i use public roads. got me! socialism!

you're confusing socialism and communism.

[fraze]

^^^ i mentioned that in the post that no one seems to have read.

there is nothing really socialist about obama. hes one of the most conservative democratic presidents if you judge by actual policies instead of Fox news talking points. he's a slightly left of center populist democrat.

propaganda is real. motherfuckers spewing out ideas that they didn't come up with and wouldn't agree with if they actually looked into the policies.

if you make less than 6 figures and you vote republican you are primarily voting against your interests every time you hit the polls. the magic of modern political marketing.

[uh-oh]

OBAMA IS NOT A SOCIALIST.

jesus lol

The closest he gets is a social democrat but he doesn't even really fit that title either

He created the stimulus program which saw CORPORATE America's income and profits levels go higher than ever.

Obamacare has a tiny element of socialism to it, but much less than previous republican plans. The NHS is socialist (and a Godsend), Obamacare is a regulated free market, it didn't give handouts to people who don't work as hard as others, as I'm sure is what you believe, subsidies only apply to those with incomes between 100% and 400% of the Federal Poverty Level, which means they are working, and paying taxes...contributing just as much as you.

America has always had a capitalist economy mixed with elements of socialism, Obama has done literally nothing to change that in any way, and if anything, what he has done leans towards the capitalist ideology. He has made LESS regulations than President Bush. Obama has never called for the end of private property rights. He has not made unions mandatory, they are VOLUNTARY. He really hasn't done much of anything socialist at all. All the socialist programs were there before him as far as I can tell. And you are not a fan of extra socialist aspects being added? How do you know? Which do you particularly oppose? What are the extra socialist aspect being suggested that you do not like?any and all of them that require any american to pay more taxes. for example bernies plan for "free college" it isn't free. taxpayers pay for it.

i'd be ok with that socialist nonsense if they took it out of the ridiculous amount of money all americans are already taxed. fuck MORE TAXES. they get enough.

OBAMACARE FORCES ALL AMERICANS TO PAY FOR HEALTH INSURANCE. you can call it a free market all you want, but its not a free market you dummy. the rich pay for the poor. i tried signing up for it to avoid the fees, my 180 dollar a month CHEAPEST I COULD FIND health coverage i signed up for, had me paying 10 dollars a month. who paid the other 170? god? of course not. everyones tax money did.

so while i was paying for this health coverage guess what. i have a health crisis, am admitted to the ER, my health coverage did enough to get them to admit me and fix the problem, but then i get billed the entirety of my checks because some "other forms" never got filled out because of obamas shit health care site. i was never mailed more forms or notified i didnt fill enough shit out. i filled everything out. so i never had health coverage.

so i had to PAY A FINE TO THE GOVERNMENT because i didnt CORRECTLY PURCHASE HEALTHCARE I WAS BEING FORCED BY THE GOVERNMENT TO PURCHASE. but they had no problem collecting the measley 10 bucks a month for my make believe health coverage.

now i have 16 thousand dollars of medical bills i'm paying off at 5 dollars a month, when income tax time comes i'll get nothing back, and HAVE TO PAY A BIGGER FINE because it will be my second year in a row without healthcare

thanks obama.

so go on about how its a free market and not a redistribution of wealth and other nonsense.

[uh-oh]

i form my political viewpoints by my actual life, if you think i watch any news you're incorrect. i don't even watch sportscenter. the news that floods me is the garbage that everyone floods there timelines with. cops killing black people. bernie sanders being god. hilary clinton being a cunt.

i don't follow any republican garbage, like i mentioned before its all nonsense. right now we got donald trump running republican right? he called rosie o donnel a fat pig and he hates mexicans.

thats what i know about pop culture politics.

BUT FROM REAL LIFE, i know that those people making over 100 grand a year include small business owners. you know, people that EMPLOY PEOPLE.

my boss can barely pay himself a salary. meanwhile if he wasn't taxed to a higher standard because on paper his business makes XXX and they clear XXX they could not only PAY ME MORE, they could hire more people, do more business and make more money.

but lets raise the minimum wage to 15 an hour. you guys are blinded by the propaganda from the other side. following good old bernies plan makes my boss go out of business. which puts his 9 employees out of a job.

[Witty]

I don't have to, I've already done it...what I stated were easily quantifiable facts, what you stated were republican talking points that hold no weight.

Also, you are very short sighted...free education means more educated citizens, which means more innovation, which means a better economy, which benefits you and everyone else. And the amount you would be paying in taxes is basically nothing compared to other programs you don't seem to have a problem with, the military for example does not need to be even half the size it is and it would still be the most powerful in the world, still stronger than the next ten combined. And as I showed you with proof you can look up, the rich do not pay for the poor...subsidies are not given to the poor, they are given to hard working tax payers. You realize medicare has always been federally funded and it is not exclusive to obamacare? and I don't just call it a free market, it IS a free market. And your circumstances are unfortunate but they do not change the fact that healthcare MUST be funded by taxes because that is the ONLY efficient way to run a healthcare system. Obamacare actually reduces spending on healthcare from what it was before, while making it accessible to more people, there are also quite a few exemptions from the fee, and the fact is they do NOT get enough taxes, not because of you, but because of large corporations and the 1% who constantly find ways not to pay...that is what should piss you off the most, the MAIN reason you pay so much tax, is because the people with the REAL money do not. If that isn't fucked up to you, then there's nothing more I can say. All of these facts are easily verified.

[Witty]

i form my political viewpoints by my actual life.

No, you clearly don't, because if you did you would be DEMANDING the richest in society pay their way, because whether you know it or not, THAT is what is forcing you to pay crazy taxes, meaning you make less money, meaning you live a lower standard of life, not socialist programs, not Obama...loopholing corporate elites.

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No, you clearly don't, because if you did you would be DEMANDING the richest in society pay their way, because whether you know it or not, THAT is what is forcing you to pay crazy taxes, meaning you make less money, meaning you live a lower standard of life, not socialist programs, not Obama...loopholing corporate elites.

i believe in closing loopholes for corporations, but even with those loopholes those people pay ridiculous amounts of money. sure percentage wise i might pay more, but actual sums of money wise, my taxes aren't even the hint of a drop in an olympic swimming pool

you guys claim my real life experiences are talking points for republicans, well then, maybe i should pay attention to the nonsense that the republicans are speaking because ITS MY ACTUAL LIFE

but i simply can't take you serious when you contradict yourself within your own post. you say we can cut military spending, and also say we should be taxed more?

if they cut military spending no one needs to be taxed more.

they tax americans more than enough. the problem is the entire political system is entirely corrupt. the less of my money that goes in the happier i am.

if i was rich i would feel the same way.

i agree that education is important to building a strong future and all that. so how about instead of taxing me and every SINGLE AMERICAN more to pay for that, they just cut the funding we give to foreign countries? how about they dissolve the thousands of government jobs that SERVE NO PURPOSE AT ALL?

there are a million things they already spend money on that aren't needed. healthcare and college could be free right now if they cut the funding from bullshit.

more taxes is never the answer

if your for getting taxed more i can't fuck with you

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dying @ uhoh thinks we are overtaxed.

holy fuck dude, live literally ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD

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Fuck you all for straying

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dying @ uhoh thinks we are overtaxed.

holy fuck dude, live literally ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD

the fact that you compare our tax rates to other countries sickens me. this is america. we are supposed to be able to reap the fruits of our labor. not give them to an oppressive government

their should be less taxes. even sales taxes are ridiculous

think about SIN taxes, lets punish people selectively by taxing them for doing things they enjoy, like drinking and smoking. wtf is that?

how about the fact that since gas prices have been low they wanted TO RAISE TAXES ON THEM?

quit trying to raise taxes.

i'm honestly baffled that i have to argue with other americans on the subject OF TAXATION

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the fact that you compare our tax rates to other countries sickens me. this is america. we are supposed to be able to reap the fruits of our labor. not give them to an oppressive government

their should be less taxes. even sales taxes are ridiculous

think about SIN taxes, lets punish people selectively by taxing them for doing things they enjoy, like drinking and smoking. wtf is that?

how about the fact that since gas prices have been low they wanted TO RAISE TAXES ON THEM?

quit trying to raise taxes.

i'm honestly baffled that i have to argue with other americans on the subject OF TAXATION

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lol

i get it man. but if you feel that our tax dollars are spent efficiently and wisely you are a fool. simple and plain.

the tax revenue the united states collects could easily pay for the worlds most powerful military, free health care, and free college, as it already is.

there is no need to raise taxes.

you can point me to whatever website with whatever statistics on how we don't have enough money, and i can point you to a bunch of government programs that are failures and wastes, and government programs that could be chopped down.

[fraze]

if i remember correctly bush came into office with a surplus from clinton.

what happened to that money?

we gave tax cuts to the wealthiest americans which created a shortfall in government revenue.

we spent it on a multi-theatre open ended terrorist hunting war that further destabilized the region, formented even greater anti-American sentiment.

we deregulated wall street and home ownership, then oversaw the greatest man made economic catastrophe since the great depression.

and you don't even want to consider adjustments to tax policy?

what about just simplifying the tax code and closing loopholes.

also you don't think that having collegiate education would have an impact on the economy? people with degrees make more money. people with more money create more tax revenue. tax revenue pays for the education. this is a no brainer idea. free education makes things better for literally everyone.

[Diode]

if i remember correctly bush came into office with a surplus from clinton.

what happened to that money?

we gave tax cuts to the wealthiest americans which created a shortfall in government revenue.

we spent it on a multi-theatre open ended terrorist hunting war that further destabilized the region, formented even greater anti-American sentiment.

we deregulated wall street and home ownership, then oversaw the greatest man made economic catastrophe since the great depression.

and you don't even want to consider adjustments to tax policy?

what about just simplifying the tax code and closing loopholes.

also you don't think that having collegiate education would have an impact on the economy? people with degrees make more money. people with more money create more tax revenue. tax revenue pays for the education. this is a no brainer idea. free education makes things better for literally everyone.

uhoh honestly believe in keynesian economics and job creators.

in 2015.

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i literally disagree with none of that

closing loopholes isn't raising taxes. if simplifying the tax code means a flat tax rate for everyone than i agree with that too and have agreed with it forever

i'm NOT in favor of RAISING taxes to pay for these programs. the government gets enough tax money. closing loopholes would give them more. the only problem with that is what gives those businesses the incentive to stay in america? that type of shit really only effects stupid big business, but still.

but word, im not for raising taxes on anyone to support free college, free healthcare or any of that

i think college is ridiculously overpriced, but i also think the concept of college itself is ridiculous when people go to college and get degrees in fields where there isn't even jobs. so if its free the only difference is they aren't in debt, which is good. but it by no means solves any type of employment crisis. those same people are gonna have to get shit jobs, or go to college and study something they don't want to do in a field that actually has a job waiting for them

but something else that could solve the problem is re-instituting the draft and doing away with our volunteer military

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but something else that could solve the problem is re-instituting the draft and doing away with our volunteer military

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lmao <3

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i had to google what keynesian economics is btw, and while i only skimmed a wikipedia article it seems to fit

whats wrong with it? in 2015?

it basically encompassed america when america was at its best? (post world war 2 boom)

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and one more sidenote before i wack off into an old t-shirt and go to sleep

the draft was also active during that time. and what did people do to get out of being drafted? (hint, college)

[Junto]

if i remember correctly bush came into office with a surplus from clinton.

what happened to that money?

we gave tax cuts to the wealthiest americans which created a shortfall in government revenue.

we spent it on a multi-theatre open ended terrorist hunting war that further destabilized the region, formented even greater anti-American sentiment

I was wit everything else you said before that's why I didn't respond to it
This part is a little slanted though to be fair...
Clinton repealed Glass Steagall, loosened mortgage requirements, among other things
So it wasn't just Bush policies that ended up fucking us
That said, young George was the worst president I seen uh-oh talkin out his ass
Everything went to shit, nothing was transparent then... economic collapse, 9/11, lost oil wars

uh-oh you pretty upfront wit what you don't know at all vs what you think...
who you likin for the next president though

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who you likin for the next president though

no one. i gotta look into rand paul and see if he's like his pops, but i doubt it, since i've heard no one talk about him at all. hillary clinton is the worst of all time. bernie sanders is a weak old man. trump is an idiot. i know nothing about jeb except he thinks his pops is a great dude. ted cruz is creepy looking.

im not really familiar with any other candidates. don't know what rubio's about. don't know what the other woman/women are about. i'm guessing womanly shit.

whoever is for less government, and doesn't have any plans to do anything that is gonna cost the taxpayers more. maybe pretend that the states have the rights they were supposedly granted, and keep the fed out of state wide politics. shit like that

[veritas]

Socialism is death. If you disagree go travel over to Cuba and live off of 19 dollars a month.

And it was the Democrats who caused the housing bubble to burst in 2008 with the demise of Freddie may and Fannie mac. Facts.

[Junto]

uh-oh

Carly Fiorina the Republican female
Known best for being ex-CEO of HP, and not doin a great job there..
Her positions on the debate issues are solid though compared to most others on that side
'so there's that'

Ron was a G. Rand prolly has a better chance than he did but for the wrong reasons
Rand opposite on a lotta libertarian ideals from Ron.. & won supporters that way somehow
Hilary has the 'lets vote women now' momentum + Clinton 3rd term idea... idk about her either
She said she opposed decriminalizing marijuana & for a D that's fuckin stupid. For any one, to me.
Bernie old as dogshit yea but he's more like Ron than any others my man... if u liked him

[fraze]

Socialism is death. If you disagree go travel over to Cuba and live off of 19 dollars a month.

And it was the Democrats who caused the housing bubble to burst in 2008 with the demise of Freddie may and Fannie mac. Facts.

And we totally have nothing to do with Cuba's economy being shit. Not like we had them under trade embargo for the past 40 years or anything.

[Hush]

fraze lowkey top tier poster imho

[fraze]

yeah bernie sanders is basically the ron paul of 2016, but with the hipsters backing him instead of the teaparty

[fraze]

I was wit everything else you said before that's why I didn't respond to it
This part is a little slanted though to be fair...
Clinton repealed Glass Steagall, loosened mortgage requirements, among other things
So it wasn't just Bush policies that ended up fucking us
That said, young George was the worst president I seen uh-oh talkin out his ass
Everything went to shit, nothing was transparent then... economic collapse, 9/11, lost oil wars


Hush. appreciate the props. i used to be a discussion head on NC1 but im usually too busy for this isht these days.

Junto. respect. yeah i abbreviated the picture slightly, there is a lot of stuff that clinton did to set the stage, but you can attribute most of the decisions that had the biggest impact on the outcome to bush II. i just feel like its irresponsible to paint obama as such a horrible president when that is more or less completely opposite the facts.

i kinda feel like you can trace back problems to any previous president if you try hard enough tho. a lot of the bush ii situations came from bush i. and they were both trying to continue what reagan started in the 80s. and clinton was trying to recover a lot of the ground dems lost after carter.

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bernie sanders is nothing like ron paul

this whole time i thought i was trolling you guys, but now i see the fool you've made me. good job trollbro's