what was the last truly classic album?

[oats]

bona fide, if it's not a consensus it's pretty fucking close kinda classic I mean. Anything since The Blueprint?

[Diode]

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[Certain]

Ten months ago.

[Ghost1]

Was gonna say blueprint too ha

I'm sure there's been something else tho

An 2pab isn't considered classic....as a consensus

[veritas]

Foreign Exchange - connected

[oats]

An 2pab isn't considered classic....as a consensus

that's what I was thinking. I'd call it a classic, but people don't see it like they do Blueprint or even College Dropout.


Diode I love Royce but no way is Rock City in that orbit of a classic album.

[jilti]

Game - The Documentary
one of the best produced albums ever

[Ghost1]

Blueprint was 01
the fix was 02
Em show was 02
An college drop out was 04
Documentary was 05 (an debatable)


But I consider that Kindve the same Era

There's got to be something from 2010 forward

[Ghost1]

Gkmc may be the closest thing we have I think

It was a classic an better received then 2pab

I thought drakes take care was a classic too honestly but he will never have an album considered classic by consensus lol

[Geno]

Documenatary makes it imo


Cole. Born sinner is real close imo.
tbh honest. Post 2010 is tough.
Have to brb onbthis

[uh-oh]

College dropout is classic. Gkmc blows

Documentary is good not classic.

Nothing i can think of but im delusional when it comes to mainstream music post being 16

[Certain]

To Pimp a Butterfly was named album of the year by like 30 publications, rap-specific and otherwise. In 30 years, way more people are going to be talking about To Pimp a Butterfly than The Documentary, whether you agree with it or not.

The same is true of My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy. I like three of Kanye West's albums more, but that's the one that garnered classic status from the critical and cultural hive that determines these things.

[veritas]

Mumford and Sons - Sigh no More

[Witty]

Yeah to pimp a butterfly will go down as a classic, I know people who don't like most albums that are considered classic. The only album I have never heard anyone say they don't like is Illmatic.

[Diode]

Yeah to pimp a butterfly will go down as a classic, I know people who don't like most albums that are considered classic. The only album I have never heard anyone say they don't like is Illmatic.

i hope they never find the body of that dirt person.

[Ghost1]

Lmao

[Certain]

Classic rap albums of the 2000s:

Ghostface Killah, Supreme Clientele
Eminem, The Marshall Mathers LP
Jay Z, The Blueprint
50 Cent, Get Rich or Die Tryin'
Jay Z, The Black Album
Kanye West, The College Dropout and/or Late Registration
Kanye West, My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy
Kendrick Lamar, To Pimp a Butterfly

Near-classic rap albums of the 2000s:

OutKast, Stankonia
Reflection Eternal, Train of Thought
Madvillain, Madvillainy
Scarface, The Fix
Eminem, The Eminem Show
OutKast, Speakerboxx/The Love Below
Lil Wayne, Tha Carter III
Kendrick Lamar, Good Kid, M.A.A.D. City
Run the Jewels, Run the Jewels 2

A reasonable argument could be made that all of Kanye's discography is going to be looked back upon like a rap David Bowie.

[Witty]

The Eminem Show was surely a classic?

I'd also personally have T.I - Trap Musik at least in the near classics. As well as Graduation by Kanye. Common - Be, was one of my favourites but by no means a consensus I guess.

[Ghost1]

An the fix isn't a classic?

Smh. Blasphemer.

[Certain]

Witty, I love Be, but I think Common's only "classic" is Resurrection. I meant to put The Eminem Show on the near-classics list and forgot. Bags, The Fix got five mics from The Source, so I'll put it on there. The Diary seems like the most highly regarded Scarface album, but The Fix was better. Deeply Rooted low-key might be better than either.

[Witty]

Classic rap albums of the 2000s:

Ghostface Killah, Supreme Clientele
Eminem, The Marshall Mathers LP
Jay Z, The Blueprint
50 Cent, Get Rich or Die Tryin'
Jay Z, The Black Album
Kanye West, The College Dropout and/or Late Registration
Kanye West, My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy
Kendrick Lamar, To Pimp a Butterfly

Near-classic rap albums of the 2000s:

OutKast, Stankonia
Reflection Eternal, Train of Thought
Madvillain, Madvillainy
Scarface, The Fix
Eminem, The Eminem Show
OutKast, Speakerboxx/The Love Below
Lil Wayne, Tha Carter III
Kendrick Lamar, Good Kid, M.A.A.D. City
Run the Jewels, Run the Jewels 2

A reasonable argument could be made that all of Kanye's discography is going to be looked back upon like a rap David Bowie.

Yes.

He's the closest we have. An innovator.

[anime_boners]

Classic rap albums of the 2000s:

Ghostface Killah, Supreme Clientele
Eminem, The Marshall Mathers LP
Jay Z, The Blueprint
50 Cent, Get Rich or Die Tryin'
Jay Z, The Black Album
Kanye West, The College Dropout and/or Late Registration
Kanye West, My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy
Kendrick Lamar, To Pimp a Butterfly

Styles P - Gangster and a Gentleman should be on this list.

[Certain]

I love that album, but I lump it with Big Boi's Sir Lucius Left Foot: Son of Chico Dusty. It proved that the No. 2 member of a group could more than handle his own. It definitely does not qualify as a consensus classic, though.

[uh-oh]

Do people really consider that dark twisted fantasy bullshit classic? I honestly forgot it existed. This is the first im hearing that. Is that the one with bound 2? Aka the only decent song on it?

[Ghost1]

Nah that's yeezus

Dark twisted fantasy is alot better.....not a classic to me tho

[uh-oh]

Or anyone. Certain is high

[Diode]

Lol at kanye being compared to bowie

[uh-oh]

I dont know enough about bowie honestly.

Kanye was a genius though in the 00s. Some still think he is but i dont get it.

Maybe your too old diode to appreciate it. Like my pops just thinks bowie is a fairy from london who did pop rock. So to him hes irrelevant no matter his impact to music. Maybe you were just old enough to view kanye as pop hip hop and hes been irrelevant to you? Like hes become irrelevant to me with his weirdo space music

[Certain]

Critics write music history. Critics go fucking nuts over Kanye West. His first decade reminds me a lot of Prince in the 1980s. And Prince is my favorite musician/musical act ever.

[oats]

Classic rap albums of the 2000s:

Ghostface Killah, Supreme Clientele
Eminem, The Marshall Mathers LP
Jay Z, The Blueprint
50 Cent, Get Rich or Die Tryin'
Jay Z, The Black Album
Kanye West, The College Dropout and/or Late Registration
Kanye West, My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy
Kendrick Lamar, To Pimp a Butterfly

Near-classic rap albums of the 2000s:

OutKast, Stankonia
Reflection Eternal, Train of Thought
Madvillain, Madvillainy
Scarface, The Fix
Eminem, The Eminem Show
OutKast, Speakerboxx/The Love Below
Lil Wayne, Tha Carter III
Kendrick Lamar, Good Kid, M.A.A.D. City
Run the Jewels, Run the Jewels 2

A reasonable argument could be made that all of Kanye's discography is going to be looked back upon like a rap David Bowie.

this is pretty solid, though I think Stankonia is def a classic - more so than Black Album. Eminem Show is my favorite Em album by far, but I agree it's not quite a classic. One too many throw-away tracks made the final cut. Never listened to a handful of these, gonna check them out.

As for Kanye, I do think he deserves much, if not all the recognition he gets. But I get wary when an artist builds momentum like he has. I honestly didn't think Yeezus was that great, imo it was his worst album since 808s (to be sure, second-worst Kanye is better than 90% of everyone else), but it was hailed as a landmark album from the jump.

[Certain]

Stankonia hasn't held up like ATLiens or Aquemini. That comparison is what holds it back.

[Utmost]

Damn. No Roots? Game Theory or Lupe

[Certain]

Game Theory is great. Lupe Fiasco is not.

[oats]

Cannibal Ox - Cold Vein is also up there for me.

[uh-oh]

I feel like the problem with the roots is, whatever album you listened to first, is what you think is classic lol. I slept on them forever other than there obvious big song(s). The first album i really sat with was the one with dear god, think it was how i got over, and it feels classic to me. But if you are a lifetime follower of the roots its just another dope roots album

[Certain]

I feel like the problem with the roots is, whatever album you listened to first, is what you think is classic lol. I slept on them forever other than there obvious big song(s). The first album i really sat with was the one with dear god, think it was how i got over, and it feels classic to me. But if you are a lifetime follower of the roots its just another dope roots album

This is true. I think Things Fall Apart tends to be the one singled out as their greatest, but that might be because it was the right era (late-1990s, the Mos Def era) where a lot of people were first listening to that kind of rap.

[Orc]

I honestly think MBDTF is a classic. Everything about it is near perfect. It's so cohesive and produced brilliantly. Well, it's as near-perfect as an album can be, anyway. Every single feature upped their game. Case in point; Fergie's verse. Where did that come from?

As far as TPAB is concerned, I can't warm to it. I understand why it is hailed as such a work of art, but it doesn't connect with me on a personal level. I'm a 25 year old white Irish man, though. So I doubt I'm the demographic of importance. Still, I can fuck with TPAB as far as lyricism and there's no doubt he's one of the best, but to me personally, GKMC was the better album. It was a coming-of-age narrative (admittedly non-linear) that, to me, is just as solid when broken down track-by-track or digested as a whole. The instrumentals and experimental styles on TPAB were jarring at times and I found myself thinking Kendrick was trying to hard to be Kendrick. Anyway, I know that TPAB is more ''socially aware'' but at times it's too fucking preachy for my liking.

I'm rambling now but yeah, GKMC was better imo.

[Chill Phil]

Ja Rule's Venni Veti Vichi


however you spell it


"ALL MY MURDERERS!!!"

[Ghost1]

I honestly think MBDTF is a classic. Everything about it is near perfect. It's so cohesive and produced brilliantly. Well, it's as near-perfect as an album can be, anyway. Every single feature upped their game. Case in point; Fergie's verse. Where did that come from?

As far as TPAB is concerned, I can't warm to it. I understand why it is hailed as such a work of art, but it doesn't connect with me on a personal level. I'm a 25 year old white Irish man, though. So I doubt I'm the demographic of importance. Still, I can fuck with TPAB as far as lyricism and there's no doubt he's one of the best, but to me personally, GKMC was the better album. It was a coming-of-age narrative (admittedly non-linear) that, to me, is just as solid when broken down track-by-track or digested as a whole. The instrumentals and experimental styles on TPAB were jarring at times and I found myself thinking Kendrick was trying to hard to be Kendrick. Anyway, I know that TPAB is more ''socially aware'' but at times it's too fucking preachy for my liking.

I'm rambling now but yeah, GKMC was better imo.

Agree completely w the Kendrick portion

[anime_boners]

Cannibal Ox - Cold Vein is also up there for me.

fuuuck. how did I forget this.

[oats]

I can see that perspective Orc aside from TPAB being preachy. I thought it was the opposite of preachy; it held up a mirror to the complex psychology of black identity in America. It didn't come across as message driven at all to me. But, I agree that GKMC has a broader sense of appeal and it doesn't compromise its depth or quality. Imo both are classics but I can't feel comfortable about it as long as uh-oh disagrees.

[Certain]

Rap message boards are forever behind. In 2004, everyone on rap message boards was trashing Get Rich or Die Tryin' and College Dropout. By 2008, it was like "man, Graduation and Curtis sucked, they need to get back to where they used to be." Same thing is happening with Kendrick Lamar. And it's still happening with Kanye. I bet in three years, the message board consensus will be that Yeezus was the last great album Kanye dropped.

[kannon]

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