why do i feel like im the only drug-free person here?

[jilti]

Never tried any drug in my life or cigarette, even tho im from the hood and it was all around me. Guess everyone is built different

[Witty]

I don't také drugs anymore.

[Useless]

but u got herpes tho

[sral]

Never tried any drug in my life or cigarette, even tho im from the hood and it was all around me. Guess everyone is built different

define the term "drug" before I continue with this thread plz

[jilti]

Illegal substance injected, inhaled, snorted, smoked

[Destroyer]

I don't do drugs

I just smoke weed

[jilti]

I don't do drugs

I just smoke weed

I consider weed a drug even tho its been legalized for medical reasons

[dull boy]

They aren't anything worth doing. The highs fade faster and become weaker over time. It's a novelty to have your mood altered unnaturally, but it's unsustainable.

I wish I'd never done any, but I wouldn't know that if I hadn't.

[jilti]

They aren't anything worth doing. The highs fade faster and become weaker over time. It's a novelty to have your mood altered unnaturally, but it's unsustainable.

I wish I'd never done any, but I wouldn't know that if I hadn't.

Insightful. Good post

[Destroyer]

I don't consider something that grows straight from the ground to be a drug just because someone wrote down that it was

[sral]

Yeah, that was the reason for my post, some pedantic assholes will class beer/weed/prescription pills etc as drugs

personally there isn't a lot I haven't tried (no humble brag) besides lsd and shrooms

i don't even smoke weed too heavy, I can go a good six months or more without any weed tbh and none of my close friends smoke either which makes it easier

it stills snows here all year round though

we got that good good

[dull boy]

I don't consider something that grows straight from the ground to be a drug just because someone wrote down that it was

I think it's a drug because it heavily alters your state of being. Some people are effected more heavily by it, but if you smoke enough weed it's pretty fucking obvious that it falls under the definition of what most people consider a drug to be.

Sure, caffeine and sugar has similar effects in altering your state, but no where close to weed or in the same way.

Alcohol not being considered a drug is a hilarious contradiction, obv.

[uh-oh]

Everythings a drug bros

I really only smoke weed, and its such little amounts its whatever. I drink from time to time as well.

Im not against drugs at all tho. If i could pun c h out right now, do an 8ball and drink 100 beers i would

[jilti]

I think it's a drug because it heavily alters your state of being. Some people are effected more heavily by it, but if you smoke enough weed it's pretty fucking obvious that it falls under the definition of what most people consider a drug to be.

Sure, caffeine and sugar has similar effects in altering your state, but no where close to weed or in the same way.

Alcohol not being considered a drug is a hilarious contradiction, obv.


This

[Mr. J]

I was going to say caffeine can be classified as a drug..







moreso an addiction....had a conversation about this a few weeks back....

[SHECK WES]

I don't do no fuckin stupid ass drugs

[Allen Knight]

I don't do no fuckin stupid ass drugs


u dont need to ur already retarded enough.

[Destroyer]

I think the term "heavily" is mighty suggestive
I would argue that it doesn't heavily alter my state of consciousness
some would argue otherwise

[Ghost1]

Threads I will no longer participate in

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Drug threads
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Political threads


Threads I will participate in

Robranda threads

[Razah]

Sure, caffeine and sugar has similar effects in altering your state, but no where close to weed or in the same way

I was able to smoke 'large' amounts of weed & be normal. The biggest change it had on my 'state' was eyes getting red (sometimes) and low. Besides that, nobody would notice any change in me.

And I say was, because now a days I don't smoke like I used to. A gram of some weed will last me like a week or two. It's actually more enjoyable now, a hit or two gets me exactly where I need to be as opposed to a whole blunt or two.

[Razah]

I was going to say caffeine can be classified as a drug..

moreso an addiction....had a conversation about this a few weeks back....


An addiction?

I know everybody's different, but the only 'addictive' substance I have a hard time stopping is nicotine. I've done it before, it was a lot harder for me to stop smoking squares than stop drinking coffee or pop (Soda, if you're not from the Midwest)

[Mr. J]

The dependency is strong in most people.


Why else would someone become highly irritable without their morning ritual?

[Razah]

Because they're highly irritable people to begin with.

Who knows

[Mr. J]

Because they're highly irritable people to begin with.

Who knows

this could be true....




But my point is if you drink enough beer your eventually going to get drunk
if you want to get drunk faster you resort to buying a brand with a higher alcohol content or of course you can buy liquor

if you have too much caffeine your body is going to respond by being jittery, eventually you are going to feel more energetic.
Have enough caffeine over time you soon become dependent on it thats why there are stronger brands of coffee & not just one.

[Hush]

U bitxh u

[Destroyer]

it so depends on the person
look, I can drink caffeine all day right up until I go to bed and I will sleep just fine
it never makes me jittery either
I legit stopped for a week cause I was afraid I was addicted
didn't even get one headache

[Mr. J]

Perhaps your tolerance is quite high now?


But you are right...different strokes for different folks

[Chill Phil]

I tried a bunch of drugs growing up, and had a fucking BLAST!

[El Muffin]

Tobacco is a drug
Caffeine is a drug

Those supplements you take are drugs

Those Tylenol pms u take when u get ur ass kicked in mma are drugs

U take enough Tylenol's..u die

Can't od on weed

The only thing making the distinction is the govt and ur ego ..

[dull boy]

Weed effects everyone differently. There was a time when I smoked consistently all day and felt what I would have then called normal.

It alters your brain chemistry. That's why I'd say it's a drug. That nasty word. Happiness or depression also alter your brain chemistry, so interpret it how you want.

I stopped because being high became my new normal. Couldn't tell if the issues I was having could be attributed to the drugs or something else. It makes things murkier.

[King]

Drug = Mind altering substance

weed is definitely a drug
so is alcohol, tobacco, caffeine, etc.

legality has nothing to do with it.

[Mike Wrecka]

I don't consider something that grows straight from the ground to be a drug just because someone wrote down that it was

You are aware that cocaine and heroin also grows from the ground right? I suppose by your logic those aren't drugs either.

[Destroyer]

both are also seriously refined with the addition of other chemicals, Mike
you can't be this dumb

[uh-oh]

Id drink some milk of the poppy tho and chilllllllllll

[Suthaveli]

You need to live alil brah.

Your live is dead

[Witty]

Drugs are great, if you're careful...as the cliche goes, everything in moderation.

Some people are just cool with doing them socially or whatever and that can be great fun, others have a disposition toward addiction and they are the people who really have to be careful.

[Dove Dozer]

I don't do no fuckin stupid ass drugs

you have one freaky ass avatar.

[i single]

Anything that alters your perception of things or state of thought or train

[Aero]

Never tried any drug in my life or cigarette, even tho im from the hood and it was all around me. Guess everyone is built different

No offense but how do you look like that if you've never done drugs?

[Witty]

Dead.

[Ghost1]

Lol esp considering he's supposedly 25 or so

Smh

If I look like that in my 40s I'd be upset fr fr

[i single]

You gotta remember he does mma he's a tough cookie

[Hush]

I like how he has to keep reminding us he's from the "hood"

[Objective]

They aren't anything worth doing. The highs fade faster and become weaker over time. It's a novelty to have your mood altered unnaturally, but it's unsustainable.

I wish I'd never done any, but I wouldn't know that if I hadn't.

For me it's all about quality, dosage and frequency regarding the drugs in question. Tolerance goes up fast for most drugs, do them 2-3 times a year and it can be better/worse, the golden balance and purity is hard to figure out cuz it's illegal. I do mdma every 4-8 months, first time was the best but mainly because I didn't know what to expect and it exceeded my expectations. Now I know what to expect and the novelty wears off a little bit due to that as well. But experiences differ a lot from time to time due to quality even tho the test kit tests positive for mdma.

I'm very happy I got introduced to mdma at the age of 26. It has almost completely removed my my periodic social anxiety, removed 90% of my arachnophobia, got me and my friends closer together etc. It's all about moderation, control and not just know of the dangerous side effects but respect them as well.

[Diode]

They aren't anything worth doing. The highs fade faster and become weaker over time. It's a novelty to have your mood altered unnaturally, but it's unsustainable.

I wish I'd never done any, but I wouldn't know that if I hadn't.

ah, 2011. a good vintage.

[PancakeBrah]

Threads I will no longer participate in

Gun threads
Fight threads
Drug threads
Religion threads
Race threads
Political threads


Threads I will participate in

Robranda threads

Noticed the avy.

Don't be bodybuilding.com shirt guy.

Be Misc shirt guy.

[Ghost1]

Noticed the avy.

Don't be bodybuilding.com shirt guy.

Be Misc shirt guy.

I lurk often. Where can I get this shirt tho?

[Ghost1]

ah, 2011. a good vintage.

Lmfao

[PancakeBrah]

https://www.spreadshirt.com/bodybuilding+misc+t-shirts

I've got two of just the Misc bertface. Powder blue and red. I feel it really compliments the asperger/autist vibe I like to give off when I lift. Bunch of Misc joke ones as well.

Been eyeing a 'Das it Mane' for quite some time.

Some day.



Some day.

[El Muffin]

Ppl have worse withdrawals off caffeine than they do off weed

I.e a coffee person denied their morning cup of Joe

Damn near manic

[El Muffin]

Lol esp considering he's supposedly 25 or so

Smh

If I look like that in my 40s I'd be upset fr fr

Iono he must of lost every fight via Anderson silva front kick directly to the nose

[Ghost1]

https://www.spreadshirt.com/bodybuilding+misc+t-shirts

I've got two of just the Misc bertface. Powder blue and red. I feel it really compliments the asperger/autist vibe I like to give off when I lift. Bunch of Misc joke ones as well.

Been eyeing a 'Das it Mane' for quite some time.

Some day.



Some day.

Repped





An get the fuck away from me muffin

[Dope girl]

I never did drugs

[Amen]

People get withdrawals from weed?

Muff weed must have always been laced with heroin.

[Blanco Bishop]

Every dude whoever said they remain the same person regardless of what they consume is either

A. Lying.
B. Always high.




Its about PEDs to me tho.
Why consume any drug if its not for the advancement of your body, mind or spirit?

Coffe could be considered a PED, honestly.

[Amen]

blanco snorting steroids.

[Batty]

If you were born fetal alcohol, gotta count that shit tbh.

[Objective]

Why consume any drug if its not for the advancement of your body, mind or spirit?

Because life is too short to not have some fun as well. However, I do agree that you might be missing out on a lot if you don't do it for the mind/spirit as well. There's a shitload of interesting things to learn. Can't wait till I'm feeling a bit more ready to explore those facets as well in small doses, hopefully soon.

Bonkerz: you're naive if you think weed can't be addicting and a serious problem to some people. I know a few of people who has struggled a shitload with it. Moderation is key.

[Certain]

jilti is drawing X's on his wrists, Destroyer is trying the "weed is from the earth" defense and Objective is describing his new nipple clamps. Who stole this thread from 2003?

[Diode]

i like how meltyface hasn't returned to thread but is actively posting elsewhere

[Objective]

Nipple clamps nice tho, why u hatin?

[Blanco Bishop]

Yo..

While we're on the subject..
What drug combo do u all prefer?

Us Mexicans are notorious for the yay brew mix.

[Diode]

Yo..

While we're on the subject..
What drug combo do u all prefer?

Us Mexicans are notorious for the yay brew mix.

alcohol and opiates.

get on my heath ledger grind.

[Greed]

WEED PILLS AND THAT DRANK, THATS MY TRIPPY KIT

Yay cool every blue moon or so.

[JILTI NUTS IN MY MOUTH]

Don't do drugs


Maybe drink s beer or two

[Amen]

alcohol and opiates.

get on my heath ledger grind.

you don't strike me as the opiate type.

beer, yes. opiates, no.

a little surprised.

[Greed]

Everyones on something. Coffee is a real life addiction. I heard a bitch died from drinking soda everyday for every drink. Everyones got their vices.

[Witty]

alcohol and opiates.

get on my heath ledger grind.

Yep.

Add weed and you have a perfect night.

Bliss.

Those days are gone tho :(

[Strikta]

you don't strike me as the opiate type.

beer, yes. opiates, no.

a little surprised.

I think u might be confused. & I've noticed little shit w/ u & the way u talk about opiates to where u fronting like a motherfucker & at one point or another was addicted to them &/or still are. I notice little shit like this cuz I'm a fucking drug addict, PROUD drug addict keeping the demons at bay right now. Meaning clean, other than weed & occasional beers.

I don't think Diode has a dependency issue w/ opiates.. he's saying that's his favorite pairing tho, & if done in moderation can be quite enjoyable & really non threatening. If he was the "opiate type"... trust me, someone else would be owning & running this board right now man.

What u surprised about?

[veritas]

Dead at just weed. For shame strikta.

[Witty]

Yeah those opiates will legit ruin your life.

Codeine will always be my favourite drug I've taken tbh but I never did it all the time, I'd do it sporadically. Love it tho...no better feeling imo.

[Strikta]

Well it's true lol

Right now anyway.

[Strikta]

Oh yes & my preferred combo is opiates & opiates.

[veritas]

So we agree that just weed does not equal sobriety right?

[Strikta]

I never said I was clean & sober tho.. I said clean.

Clean imo is opiate & benzo free.

Weed don't even count when u've done the shit I've done. Shit is fuckin laughable.

[Kenny the OG]

Weed is all you need. The burning bush in the bible was just a metaphor. #message

[Amen]

I think u might be confused. & I've noticed little shit w/ u & the way u talk about opiates to where u fronting like a motherfucker & at one point or another was addicted to them &/or still are. I notice little shit like this cuz I'm a fucking drug addict, PROUD drug addict keeping the demons at bay right now. Meaning clean, other than weed & occasional beers.

I don't think Diode has a dependency issue w/ opiates.. he's saying that's his favorite pairing tho, & if done in moderation can be quite enjoyable & really non threatening. If he was the "opiate type"... trust me, someone else would be owning & running this board right now man.

What u surprised about?

Never. Pop xanax every now and again but never "Addicted". Addiction is all in the mind, at least IMO.

[Certain]

"Science isn't real, at least IMO."

[Strikta]

I know he ain't just say that. Smfh.

I can't believe some of these niggas man.

[Ghost1]

Never. Pop xanax every now and again but never "Addicted". Addiction is all in the mind, at least IMO.

https://media1.giphy.com/media/qixGnbvkfIrOE/200.gif

[Amen]

I didn't say science isn't real, dick breath.

Addiction is a mental disorder caused by bad decision making - for the most part.

Addicts claim they have made "mistakes" but IMO - if a "mistake" is made on several occasions, it isn't a mistake it's a choice. A horrible choice to make. Especially when fucking with Opiates.

Also, I know the difference between an addict and social.

I just didn't think Diode would be the type to use Opiates at all. IDK... Guess my judge of character/persona was off, slightly.

Lol @ all of you huddling up now.

[Diode]

I didn't say science isn't real, dick breath.

Addiction is a mental disorder caused by bad decision making - for the most part.

Addicts claim they have made "mistakes" but IMO - if a "mistake" is made on several occasions, it isn't a mistake it's a choice. A horrible choice to make. Especially when fucking with Opiates.

Also, I know the difference between an addict and social.

I just didn't think Diode would be the type to use Opiates at all. IDK... Guess my judge of character/persona was off, slightly.

Lol @ all of you huddling up now.

i don't. i have a shitload of high power ER oxys from my shoulder surgery years ago that i don't touch.

the question was "what's your favorite combination"

that's my favorite one.

[Certain]

I didn't say science isn't real, dick breath.

Addiction is a mental disorder caused by bad decision making - for the most part.

Addicts claim they have made "mistakes" but IMO - if a "mistake" is made on several occasions, it isn't a mistake it's a choice. A horrible choice to make. Especially when fucking with Opiates.

Did heroin-addicted babies just make mistakes?

[Amen]

Word.

I've done Opiates but all they ever did was make me puke. So I kind of just left them alone.

I believe I did a few Oponas and some Roxy's a couple times, and both made me ILL.

Xanax - is probably they only shit I touch once in a while... Like every 3 or 4 months I'll just pop a few, drink a few beers and chill.

I think any benzo or opiate with alcohol is a good combination.

[Amen]

Did heroin-addicted babies just make mistakes?

No but they are born that way because their parents obviously did, stupid.

You are trying way to hard right now. Chill out.

[Strikta]

I could tell u how & why ur wrong Amen.. but I'd rather not waste my time. Ur obviously a fucking moron.

[Certain]

You claimed addiction is mental. It's not. It's physical. I don't know if you can read, but I am sure there are books on tape about the subject.

[Amen]

I could tell u how & why ur wrong Amen.. but I'd rather not waste my time. Ur obviously a fucking moron.

I'm not wrong. I clearly SAID IN MY OPINION. OPINION.

in my opinion..

Opinions aren't facts.

I FEEL that addiction is mental. I FEEL THAT WAY. It's my opinion LOL.

Not a fact. So how can an opinion be wrong?

Science states it's a mental disorder.

Withdrawal is the only physical part.

The other part is mental.

Opinions vs Facts

I'm sure there are a few books covering that topic, guys.

[Strikta]

Omg I can't ev

I'm done.

[Ghost1]

having oppinions contrary to facts are wrong lol.

[veritas]

Seeing how that I legit run a rehab I have much to say about this.

If anyone cares?

[Strikta]

U run a rehab? Lol wtf

[Ghost1]

lmfaolmfao

[veritas]

U run a rehab? Lol wtf

I do.

Do you have insurance?

[Ghost1]

$13.50 co-pays

[veritas]

Tim if yo7 don't have insurance 6800 will get you 30 days. You ready?

[Strikta]

Yeah I got insurance.. don't need rehab tho.

[Strikta]

veritas can u write scripts for CII meds in Miss?

[Ghost1]

loldead

[veritas]

veritas can u write scripts for CII meds in Miss?

You are wanting suboxone yes?

[Strikta]

Is that all ud write for??

I kinda need prometh/codiene cough syrup, MSContin 30/60/100mg ER, or Morphine 15/30 IR. Could use some Demerol tablets too if u could write for those? I found a cpl from my uncles tooth extractions in the early 2000s.. they were expired for like 10 years but were still quite effective. Unlike any other opiate I've tried. Also could use some T3s & tramadol if ud be more comfortable w/ that?

No pain management clinic will take my insurance right now for some reason.

Dude I got pain issues & horrible bronchitis dog.. I can show u MRIs & all that.

I'd say just write me 300 roxicodone 30s but pharmacies barely carry roxis anymore. :/

[veritas]

And how much of that would sell t8mothy?

[Strikta]

I don't sell my medication.. that is a felony.

[Aero]

Anyone who responds to this thread from here on out gets negged.

[veritas]

Timothy.....be real about this.

[Certain]

I'm not wrong. I clearly SAID IN MY OPINION. OPINION.

in my opinion..

Opinions aren't facts.

I FEEL that addiction is mental. I FEEL THAT WAY. It's my opinion LOL.

Not a fact. So how can an opinion be wrong?

Science states it's a mental disorder.

Withdrawal is the only physical part.

The other part is mental.

Opinions vs Facts

I'm sure there are a few books covering that topic, guys.

Science states it's a brain disease, not a mental disorder.

Addiction is all in the mind

Addiction is defined as a chronic, relapsing brain disease that is characterized by compulsive drug seeking and use, despite harmful consequences. It is considered a brain disease because drugs change the brain; they change its structure and how it works. These brain changes can be long lasting and can lead to many harmful, often self-destructive, behaviors.

https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/media-guide/science-drug-abuse-addiction-basics

[Certain]

However, I'm all in for you using heroin a few times and then coming back here to prove that your mind is too strong to become addicted to it. I will even send you money — cash — to cover the cost of the heroin if you can prove you did it.

[Ghost1]

i like where this is going

[Amen]

Takes more then just a couple of times, moron.

And once again; I CLEARLY SAID IT'S A MENTAL THING - IN MY OPINION.

Dumb fuck.

AGAIN; You are trying wayyyyyy to hard, faggot.

Eat a dick.

[Diode]

Takes more then just a couple of times, moron.

And once again; I CLEARLY SAID IT'S A MENTAL THING - IN MY OPINION.

Dumb fuck.

AGAIN; You are trying wayyyyyy to hard, faggot.

Eat a dick.

heroin takes one time.

you'll be chasing that shit forever.

[Ghost1]

u cant have an opinion on something factual tho.....

but I mean in my opinion the sky is purple

lol the fuck? this brown piece of garbage is literally fucking retarded. I legit feel remorse for his family.

[Inno]

Lmao@purple sky.

Personal in my world the sky is brown

[Witty]

People literally die from going cold turkey from heroin, and other drugs...that in itself shows it's a physical condition. Your body needs it. It's not just in your mind.

[Amen]

Addiction to heroin doesn't take only 1 time of using guys LOL.

They say after a few times, withdrawals can occur if stopped. Or some shit.

[Certain]

Then you should be fine with a trial run. Let's say seven doses. On me, muchacho.

[big baby]

Certain dun call muchaho 2 clos to MUSTACHIO

[veritas]

Strikta.....are you an addict?

[PancakeBrah]

Yo I really respect my fellow NCG's for handling the whole "it's my opinion" thing by Amen. Really solid work, and good for the board. Certain being willing to supply Amen with illegal narcotics was a nice touch. Really all we were missing was a Big Baby rant with some MS Paint ether. Even had a nice Aero boarding technique. Strikta came through with the knowledgeable dirt and the funny "that is a felony" line. Just top notch stuff, much appreciated.

[veritas]

Daniel coming in with the fourth wall break meta swag post really was just the icing on the cake from the cake here friends.

[PancakeBrah]

Thx V I appreciate the love.

[uh-oh]

im with amen da goon

SHITS IN YOUR MIND MAN. (lights cig that im hopelessly addicted too)

but yea it doesn't take one time for heroin. i've done heroin one time. it was delightful. i can only describe it as comfy. i only snorted a little line so it ain't like i was leaning and shit lmao, but i was rolling around drinking like a hooligan just glued to the passenger seat and literally felt amazing. i can only describe it as, right now, you're sober, or not but either way you probably feel fine and normal. but there are aches and pains and discomforts that you live with always, that you are so used to you don't even register them. heroin erases them. so its not like a head high, at least for me, it was just an overall feeling of wellness.

i can only describe it like that. i assume its what painkillers do for people.

speaking of painkillers/opiods. i've only fucked with percs and vicodin. vicodin do nothing to da god. if i eat like 5 or 6 and drink 5 or 6 beers then i feel them in a similair sense

i took 3 of these percs though and it was shadows of heroin. the clean body feeling like everything is extra comfy. without beer. with beer its that plus the head drunk feeling.

which is A+

in my old age of 27 now i can't do the weed+beer combo anymore. it just puts me in passout mode. i can drink all of the beers. all of them. if i take 2 hits of weed im either throwing up or falling asleep.

but yea i know i gave a glowing review of the products of the poppy, but i don't fuck with them. mainly because of everyone i know being the worst humans on earth because of them. so while they are delightful i'd rather live in the misery of sobriety

also im 99.9 percent certain no one has ever died from opiate/heroin withdrawals. im pretty sure the only thing that can kill you withdrawal wise, is alcohol. someone google it.

heroin and opiates will make you feel like death, you will be sick, your bones will ache, you will be miserable, but just stay hydrated and even the worst junkie can pass through it. its just not recommended, its easier to just ween you off it.

alcohol can murk you though

pretty sure i've read/heard that.

also as noted earlier the only thing i'm addicted to is cigarettes. i smoke a little over a pack a day, since i buy a carton a week. which is 10 packs/7 days. that said i can stop cold turkey. i'll be miserable. but its doable.

sure my brain will want me to smoke but am i addicted to pizza? because i can't quit that.

i just think science is weird with their classifications. alcohol is a disease man. fuck off. i get the science behind it, but something you can legitimately stop with your own WILL shouldnt be classified as a disease. if i get small pox i just can't decide to not have it.

ive seen people who drank bottles of liquor daily completely stop. i know heroin users that completely stop. not from medical treatment, but because they realized they were fucking themselves. im sure the "disease" in their brain was making them want to do nothing more than drink a beer, or shoot some heroin, but they take on the misery of saying no.

even people who seek help through AA or whatever, classify themselves as like drydrunks and other stupid shit because even though they are sober, they still have that alcoholic mind and can slip back into it. so i understand some brain chemistry is changed, but when using words like "disease" to simple folk like me and amen da goon it gets confusing.

when i think disease i think of AIDS or something. not your brain changing from repeated uses of things

im sure i've got beatmakeritis. its a disease from spending 1000's of hours making music, fusing synapses and making pathways in my brain. i've got videogamerosis too. its a terrible disease

[PancakeBrah]

wow man how frank and honest. you're a real straight shooter. salt of the earth. real common sense knowledge. tell me more about romans.

[Certain]

Benzodiazepine and alcohol withdrawal symptoms are more likely to be fatal. Even in those cases, quitting cold turkey with nothing to help the process tends to be the only way someone would die.

Source: http://americanaddictioncenters.org/withdrawal-timelines-treatments/risk-of-death/

Either way, uh-oh, I genuinely believe you are smart enough to grasp that addiction to those substances (and crystal methamphetamine and crack cocaine) is not mental and is in fact physical. I get that you like to put on your Rust Belt poverty cape and stick up for idiots who say idiotic things, from Donald Trump to Trademark, but come the fuck on.

[uh-oh]

Benzodiazepine and alcohol withdrawal symptoms are more likely to be fatal. Even in those cases, quitting cold turkey with nothing to help the process tends to be the only way someone would die.

Source: http://americanaddictioncenters.org/withdrawal-timelines-treatments/risk-of-death/

Either way, uh-oh, I genuinely believe you are smart enough to grasp that addiction to those substances (and crystal methamphetamine and crack cocaine) is not mental and is in fact physical. I get that you like to put on your Rust Belt poverty cape and stick up for idiots who say idiotic things, from Donald Trump to Trademark, but come the fuck on.

i'm in no way saying there isn't a physical dependency to these drugs, im saying it can be mentally overcome. i'm not even saying it's not a "disease" i'm just saying they should make a different word for it or something lmao. because like i said when i think disease i think like aids or malaria. basically something that requires a CURE. but i get it. i gotta be the contrarian though or else this site would be a circle jerk that devolves into no one posting anything because we all already agree with eachother so whats the point in discussing anything

trump 2016

[PancakeBrah]

Rust belt poverty cape is strong phrasing. Repped.

[uh-oh]

certain's rep power has me by 8 points. cakes got me by 53. kind of silly for the gaps to be so small in our insanely giant numbers.

im tempted to neg you both to see what happens with our shitty terrible rep system. but i reserve my negs for the creature known as big baby. and by reserve them i mean i try to neg and remember i need to spread it around and then close netcees and jerk off

[veritas]

From my professional experiences the addict will do one of two things.. admit that they are, or justify how they are not.

[Blanco Bishop]

im with amen da goon

SHITS IN YOUR MIND MAN. (lights cig that im hopelessly addicted too)

but yea it doesn't take one time for heroin. i've done heroin one time. it was delightful. i can only describe it as comfy. i only snorted a little line so it ain't like i was leaning and shit lmao, but i was rolling around drinking like a hooligan just glued to the passenger seat and literally felt amazing. i can only describe it as, right now, you're sober, or not but either way you probably feel fine and normal. but there are aches and pains and discomforts that you live with always, that you are so used to you don't even register them. heroin erases them. so its not like a head high, at least for me, it was just an overall feeling of wellness.

i can only describe it like that. i assume its what painkillers do for people.

speaking of painkillers/opiods. i've only fucked with percs and vicodin. vicodin do nothing to da god. if i eat like 5 or 6 and drink 5 or 6 beers then i feel them in a similair sense

i took 3 of these percs though and it was shadows of heroin. the clean body feeling like everything is extra comfy. without beer. with beer its that plus the head drunk feeling.

which is A+

in my old age of 27 now i can't do the weed+beer combo anymore. it just puts me in passout mode. i can drink all of the beers. all of them. if i take 2 hits of weed im either throwing up or falling asleep.

but yea i know i gave a glowing review of the products of the poppy, but i don't fuck with them. mainly because of everyone i know being the worst humans on earth because of them. so while they are delightful i'd rather live in the misery of sobriety

also im 99.9 percent certain no one has ever died from opiate/heroin withdrawals. im pretty sure the only thing that can kill you withdrawal wise, is alcohol. someone google it.

heroin and opiates will make you feel like death, you will be sick, your bones will ache, you will be miserable, but just stay hydrated and even the worst junkie can pass through it. its just not recommended, its easier to just ween you off it.

alcohol can murk you though

pretty sure i've read/heard that.

also as noted earlier the only thing i'm addicted to is cigarettes. i smoke a little over a pack a day, since i buy a carton a week. which is 10 packs/7 days. that said i can stop cold turkey. i'll be miserable. but its doable.

sure my brain will want me to smoke but am i addicted to pizza? because i can't quit that.

i just think science is weird with their classifications. alcohol is a disease man. fuck off. i get the science behind it, but something you can legitimately stop with your own WILL shouldnt be classified as a disease. if i get small pox i just can't decide to not have it.

ive seen people who drank bottles of liquor daily completely stop. i know heroin users that completely stop. not from medical treatment, but because they realized they were fucking themselves. im sure the "disease" in their brain was making them want to do nothing more than drink a beer, or shoot some heroin, but they take on the misery of saying no.

even people who seek help through AA or whatever, classify themselves as like drydrunks and other stupid shit because even though they are sober, they still have that alcoholic mind and can slip back into it. so i understand some brain chemistry is changed, but when using words like "disease" to simple folk like me and amen da goon it gets confusing.

when i think disease i think of AIDS or something. not your brain changing from repeated uses of things

im sure i've got beatmakeritis. its a disease from spending 1000's of hours making music, fusing synapses and making pathways in my brain. i've got videogamerosis too. its a terrible disease



U got some worrisome rhetoric in ur discourse fam.
Mainly the A+'ing of ur heroin experience.
Would hate for u to latch on to that memory and have u reach back 10 years from now.

Don't be that wigga ma dude.

[Junto]

what a bunch of fuckin divas

[Witty]

i'm in no way saying there isn't a physical dependency to these drugs, im saying it can be mentally overcome. i'm not even saying it's not a "disease" i'm just saying they should make a different word for it or something lmao. because like i said when i think disease i think like aids or malaria. basically something that requires a CURE. but i get it. i gotta be the contrarian though or else this site would be a circle jerk that devolves into no one posting anything because we all already agree with eachother so whats the point in discussing anything

trump 2016

How can something which kills you involuntarily be overcome mentally?

I've seen people going cold turkey off hard drugs, your body is either strong enough to pull through it, or it isn't.

Heroin withdrawal absolutely kills people.

[Witty]

Heroin withdrawal is no joke, seeing someone come off that shit will change your life...it's scary.

Same with alcohol.

[Diode]

Insufflating heroin and injecting heroin aren't even the same fucking game let alone ballpark, uhoh.

[Amen]

what a bunch of fuckin divas

What up my dude?

Word @ uh-oh

LOL - I've heard people have died from H withdrawals but have never seen any statistics - so as far as I'm concerned, it's hear say.

Certain - sorry, H isn't for me man. I'd never touch it. Plus don't need your money, bruh. I'm sure I make double of what you make.

I prefer Benzo's. I have a script for xanax (footballs to be exact) AND just finished my script of ClonoazePAM 1MG.

Anxiety is a mother fucker. Only take as needed tho, they are lethal.

You're all welcome to start making the DRUG ADDICT posts itt, like you predictable faggots will do.

[veritas]

Heroin withdrawal being fatal is not anecdotal amen.

If you would just admit your wrong I think these losers might like you more?

[Witty]

What up my dude?

Word @ uh-oh

LOL - I've heard people have died from H withdrawals but have never seen any statistics - so as far as I'm concerned, it's hear say.

Certain - sorry, H isn't for me man. I'd never touch it. Plus don't need your money, bruh. I'm sure I make double of what you make.

I prefer Benzo's. I have a script for xanax (footballs to be exact) AND just finished my script of ClonoazePAM 1MG.

Anxiety is a mother fucker. Only take as needed tho, they are lethal.

You're all welcome to start making the DRUG ADDICT posts itt, like you predictable faggots will do.

You haven't seen the statistics because you haven't looked for them.

[Witty]

Whoever said you're much more likely to die coming off alcohol than heroin is correct tho.

But the risk is there for both, as well as a few others.

[Amen]

Heroin withdrawal being fatal is not anecdotal amen.

If you would just admit your wrong I think these losers might like you more?

Wrong about what, tho?

In my opinion - addiction is a mental thing. Even those science states it's physical - I don't believe that it is. It's proven that some scientific studies aren't facts. Just a bunch of data gathered by a bunch of educated people with a bunch of hypothesiseseses lol.

I just feel addiction is a mental disorder kind of like depression.

Am I wrong for feeling this way? NO. Am I scientifically wrong? SURE.

But if science was always factual, then why are scientist questions the laws of gravity when an Olympic gymnist hit the trapeze?

IDK man... Science is kind of like religion - once again, IMO LOL.

Guess I question everything...

[Witty]

This is the problem with the world...people think an opinion can't be wrong.

Like when Christians say they believe the world is only a few thousand years old...no, you are incorrect...your opinion is wrong.

Science is nothing like religion, it isn't based on opinion, it's based on evidence...people have died from withdrawal, it is documented, it is a fact.. opinions are meaningless against facts.

[veritas]

Bro....amen....real talk....I like you....but please hearken...

If it was just mental there would be no need for detox units at hospitals.

In terms of mental.....addiction affects the mind and the brain.

C'mon man.

[Amen]

This is the problem with the world...people think an opinion can't be wrong.

Like when Christians say they believe the world is only a few thousand years old...no, you are incorrect...your opinion is wrong.

Science is nothing like religion, it isn't based on opinion, it's based on evidence...people have died from withdrawal, it is documented, it is a fact.. opinions are meaningless against facts.

Science is determined off of data. Or evidence, as you call it.

Opinions come from data.

So if a scientist makes an opinion off of data, does that make his opinion a fact? Just because he is a scientist?

Help me understand your concerns here.

Like I previously stated, I've heard people have died from withdrawals but have never seen any date nor have applied effort to look. So as far as I'm concerned; it's hear say until I can see some data with my own eyes proving these claims.

that's all I'm saying.

Numbers do not lie.

The people imputing them numbers have the potential to lie or exacerbate. How do we not know, the person imputing those numbers weren't hung over or potentially entered in the wrong number?

I guess i'm getting in to conspiracy and probability now, LOL.

Plus, I've also heard, withdrawals from Benzo's are probably the worst withdrawals PROVEN. But again, haven't seen nor do I care to research data proving these claims.

Opinions are opinions.

Facts are facts.

In the end, who really gives a shit? A drug addict is a drug addict.

Wtf was the original topic about anyways?

Addiction being mental or physical, right? HA.

[Certain]

Science is determined off of data. Or evidence, as you call it.

Correct. We're off to a good start!

Opinions come from data.

Well, good opinions can be rooted in data, but yours are not. As you literally said a few posts up, you have not looked at data.

So if a scientist makes an opinion off of data, does that make his opinion a fact? Just because he is a scientist?

No, scientists don't draw opinions off data. They draw conclusions that are then checked by dozens of other labs and scientists in peer-reviewed formats. Nothing is verified until the peer reviews are complete.

Help me understand your concerns here.

Mostly about how you manage to function in life.

Like I previously stated, I've heard people have died from withdrawals but have never seen any date nor have applied effort to look. So as far as I'm concerned; it's hear say until I can see some data with my own eyes proving these claims.

I'm guessing you've also never seen any data proving you need oxygen to breathe. So, I assume that's hearsay, too.

that's all I'm saying.

All you're saying is that you refuse to get informed on a topic that you choose to have opinions about.

Numbers do not lie.

You haven't even looked at numbers!

The people imputing them numbers have the potential to lie or exacerbate. How do we not know, the person imputing those numbers weren't hung over or potentially entered in the wrong number?

This is fucking absurd. For one, the numbers inputted are vetted over and over again by scientists.

I guess i'm getting in to conspiracy and probability now, LOL.

Nah, you're getting into justifying your own inadequacy.

Plus, I've also heard, withdrawals from Benzo's are probably the worst withdrawals PROVEN. But again, haven't seen nor do I care to research data proving these claims.

I just provided a link to research to show that alcohol withdrawal is worse.

Opinions are opinions.

Novel thought.

Facts are facts.

And you avoid them.

In the end, who really gives a shit? A drug addict is a drug addict.

But I thought it was all mental?

Wtf was the original topic about anyways?

A little worried about your memory loss.

Addiction being mental or physical, right? HA.

No because it's both. Inarguably. As proven. By thousands of scientists across the world. You just are too ignorant to look it up.

[Amen]

LOL, certainly persistent.

Looks like I took an L here.

[veritas]

Your humility will bring you reps.

[sral]

Is that all ud write for??

I kinda need prometh/codiene cough syrup, MSContin 30/60/100mg ER, or Morphine 15/30 IR. Could use some Demerol tablets too if u could write for those? I found a cpl from my uncles tooth extractions in the early 2000s.. they were expired for like 10 years but were still quite effective. Unlike any other opiate I've tried. Also could use some T3s & tramadol if ud be more comfortable w/ that?

No pain management clinic will take my insurance right now for some reason.

Dude I got pain issues & horrible bronchitis dog.. I can show u MRIs & all that.

I'd say just write me 300 roxicodone 30s but pharmacies barely carry roxis anymore. :/

lmao no wonder you cried when I called Geno out on his subutex use

[Ghost1]

Correct. We're off to a good start!



Well, good opinions can be rooted in data, but yours are not. As you literally said a few posts up, you have not looked at data.



No, scientists don't draw opinions off data. They draw conclusions that are then checked by dozens of other labs and scientists in peer-reviewed formats. Nothing is verified until the peer reviews are complete.



Mostly about how you manage to function in life.



I'm guessing you've also never seen any data proving you need oxygen to breathe. So, I assume that's hearsay, too.



All you're saying is that you refuse to get informed on a topic that you choose to have opinions about.



You haven't even looked at numbers!



This is fucking absurd. For one, the numbers inputted are vetted over and over again by scientists.



Nah, you're getting into justifying your own inadequacy.



I just provided a link to research to show that alcohol withdrawal is worse.



Novel thought.



And you avoid them.



But I thought it was all mental?



A little worried about your memory loss.



No because it's both. Inarguably. As proven. By thousands of scientists across the world. You just are too ignorant to look it up.



Idk if I love certain for this or infinitely hate amen more for this ha


Reps for certain regardless

Ether

[uh-oh]

i've looked at the data bros. i've got the documents (alex jones voice)

heroin withdrawals will not kill you as long as you are remotely taking care of yourself, or being taken care of. people die from heroin withdrawals because they commit suicide because of the misery of it, and people die from dehydration and other illnesses that come along with puking your guts out and sweating etc. its miserable, no ones disputing that. but saying you die from quitting heroin is like saying you die from getting the flu. yea sure its possible duh. but keep hydrated and ride out the shit storm.

no ones disputing that people have died from quitting cold turkey, but its not from the heroin itself, its from not taking care of yourself. when you look at alcohol withdrawals, you can be in a hospital enviornment receiving good care and still die from withdrawals. that is the point i was making. the alcoholism kills you from quitting cold turkey. not dehydration. you get actual sicknesses related to the alcohol


also diode if someone ever uttered the word insufflating in actual speech i would spit in their nerd face. just say snorting like an american you boob

[veritas]

Once again.....as the professional here who actually deals with this and is not just googling....addiction is the total package affecting body brain mind and spirit. And yes people can die if not detoxed properly.

Amen admitted he was wrong. He learned. /thread

[Witty]

Once again.....as the professional here who actually deals with this and is not just googling....addiction is the total package affecting body brain mind and spirit. And yes people can die if not detoxed properly.

Amen admitted he was wrong. He learned. /thread

I've actually dealt with it too, I didn't use Google.

[Witty]

But yeah I can respect a man admitting he got something wrong, we all do sometimes, no shame in it.

[Aero]

LOL, certainly persistent.

Looks like I took an L here.

You definitely took the L fam but I'm surprised you admitted such. I appreciate this. Still not going to prevent me from producing a punch designed for your stomach but it's a start.

[james]

hahahahaha you should quickly seek treatment

[JILTI NUTS IN MY MOUTH]

Keep replying to this thread watch


Should have never upped it smh

[veritas]

hahahahaha you should quickly seek treatment

Who could possibly swim at the depths of stupidity required to even imagine this alias would be funny?

[Amen]

You definitely took the L fam but I'm surprised you admitted such. I appreciate this. Still not going to prevent me from producing a punch designed for your stomach but it's a start.

I'd dismantle you in a fair game of hand to hand combat, my friend.