"Slippin'" is better and realer than any 2Pac track.

[Certain]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIUtff2CDi8

[oats]

disagree with anywhere between a third and half of your assessment.

[Certain]

It's automatically realer because 2Pac's life was like Kim Kardashian's compared to DMX's life.

[oats]

That's the part I somewhat agree with, though idk if it's realer than EVERY 2-Pac track. To be fair, DMX is realer than probably every other MC ever, so it's not exactly an insult.

[Mr. J]

Ruff Ryders was also the stronger record label

[Certain]

Ruff Ryders was also the stronger record label

It might have had stronger rap talent. (Jadakiss and DMX alone are beasts, at least comparable to Snoop Dogg and 2Pac. And Jadakiss and DMX stayed on Ruff Ryders longer.) But the gulf between Dr. Dre and Swizz Beatz is enormous.

[Mr. J]

Dre is the stronger producer. I feel Drag On is slept on a majority of the time though.
Sheek was ok in his earlier days & has improved vastly. Styles is hit or miss for me but A Gangster & A Gentlemen is always in rotation for me
Eve had a bigger impact than...Lady Of Rage I think it was? I cant recall at the moment
I could never get into the Outlawz & they plagued most of Pacs tracks. Hit Em Up felt like an Outlaws track featuring Pac maybe thats why I never enjoyed it.

[Certain]

I could never get into the Outlawz & they plagued most of Pacs tracks. Hit Em Up felt like an Outlaws track featuring Pac maybe thats why I never enjoyed it.

Agreed. And while "Me Against the World" and "Hail Mary" felt like 2Pac tracks, they would have been so much better as solo tracks. Or with good rappers instead of fucking Dramacydal.

[Diode]

(Agreed)

[Ghost1]

Man how is this fair tho lol. This like the realest rap song period.

Why pac has to be singled out lmao

[ill nik-A]

Tupac is portrayed as the biggest thug ever... Which he actually started thugging after his success... Reverse thuggery

[uh-oh]

certain has said so much fraudulent shit in this thread my brain exploded

[uh-oh]

jada has like 3 dope songs. i like dmx as much as the next guy. but come the fuck on

quit being weirdos

snoop and pac wash them fucking easily.

drag-on LMFAO

in ten years people are gonna be making threads like, cmon guys, tyga>50

i hate all of you.

[Chill Phil]

Jada is the nicest. DMX is mediocre in my opinion.

[ill nik-A]

Jada is the nicest. DMX is mediocre in my opinion.

in what sense? Lyrically?
Cuz musically and album wise it's not close and I like Jada

[SHECK WES]

Wasn't slippin a DMX track? What the hell

[Ghost1]

jada has like 3 dope songs. i like dmx as much as the next guy. but come the fuck on

quit being weirdos

snoop and pac wash them fucking easily.

drag-on LMFAO

in ten years people are gonna be making threads like, cmon guys, tyga>50

i hate all of you.

Stopped reading after Jada has like 3 dope songs. Lmao. Everytime. Fuckin uh oh. Smh.

[Chill Phil]

in what sense? Lyrically?
Cuz musically and album wise it's not close and I like Jada

Lyrically. DMX doesn't have bars, Jada has BAARRRRS.

[Witty]

For someone who makes such dope beats, I find myself diagreeing with uh-oh on most things he says in relation to hip hop. Other than his opinions on producers.

I still love you though.

[oats]

Agreed Witty

The fact that uh oh is the only one kind of on my side here is distressing. But I will take Pac and Snoop over DMX and Jada 8/10 times.

[ill nik-A]

Lyrically. DMX doesn't have bars, Jada has BAARRRRS.

Name one comparable album to DMX's first two please

[Certain]

Agreed Witty

The fact that uh oh is the only one kind of on my side here is distressing. But I will take Pac and Snoop over DMX and Jada 8/10 times.

I will, too. But I can see a reasonable argument that Death Row Snoop and 2Pac didn't stick around long. I will take Death Row over Ruff Ryders, but I get why others wouldn't. Drag-On was trash, though.

[Certain]

Man how is this fair tho lol. This like the realest rap song period.

Why pac has to be singled out lmao

Fuck the West Coast.

[oats]

Fuck the West Coast.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNfx325Nw78

[Chill Phil]

Name one comparable album to DMX's first two please

That's a trap. I like jada's lyrics more than dmx's. Apparently you like dmx's more than jada's. I can post something I feel is valid proof that Jada is a Superior lyricist, you'll disagree and probably insult me in the process.


Some people love brussel sprouts, some people hate brussel sprouts. Let's just revel in the fact that we have variety in both music and food.

[NYCSPITZ]

It's real to him but it's a different perspective. Tupac didn't grow up as rough and there's mad videos of him being soft in his early teenage acting career on youtube that are laughable when contrasted with his later persona but I respect both for being real and not being sociopaths. But yes I would agree DMX is on some real, came from the bottom drug addiction shit whereas Tupac was concered with socio-political concerns beyond his ken to the point where he believed in wack illuminati conspiracies etc. There's no illuminati just ultra-wealthy who keep it low key IMO (not on forbes even tho families r far richer and more powerful than buffet/gates etc). Rockefellers/Rothschilds come to mind. Tupac was obsessed with the satan worship black magic absurd, evil zombie apocalypse non existent element of it.

But yea props to both for being real people expressing themselves and growing into deeply damaged yet angry and powerful adults. Been running into lots of sociopaths these days yo. Glib, superficial charm, will to manipulate and control others, lies easily, lacks empathy, addiction personality etc. Fuck these people yo. I mean it's cool not to give a fuck but fuck your brain circuitry for having no COMPASSION. At least X and pac aren't psychos, feel me...fuck psychos

[Geno]

Whatever

[Mr. J]

Jada only has two solo albums though. Otherwise it was mostly Lox albums & mixtapes

[ill nik-A]

That's a trap. I like jada's lyrics more than dmx's. Apparently you like dmx's more than jada's. I can post something I feel is valid proof that Jada is a Superior lyricist, you'll disagree and probably insult me in the process.


Some people love brussel sprouts, some people hate brussel sprouts. Let's just revel in the fact that we have variety in both music and food.

Wrong, I like Jada's lyrics far more than X's... But if u wanna talk music which I believe that's what hip hop is, then it's not close

Keep up, Brussel sprout

[dead man]

I love this fucking song

[i am faggot lenox i suck rb dick]

My baby Bags has a 6pac

[ill nik-A]

My baby Bags has a 6pac

Swing and a miss, keep up the great work

[i am faggot lenox i suck rb dick]

Who r u sailor boy

[uh-oh]

The problem is you all place too much credence in writing, and by writing i mean the literal writing of verses. Not like songwriting. Which leads to the music debate. Pac made better music than pretty much everyone. Snoop is top 10.

Jada is top 50 off lyricism alone. Dmx is top 20 overall.

Its silly to even mention them in the same breath.

If were just talking lyricism like the skill of the writing of verses in songs, just on a technical level, than pac and snoop probably aint even in the top 100

But as overall artists they are head and shoulders above those two without question and its laughable to even consider it.

[Certain]

All I've said, uh-oh, is that Ruff Ryders was run better than Death Row and had stronger and longer commitments from its stars. The talent level of Death Row through the years was insane.

[uh-oh]

Http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CCvgKMiVlI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trOK7wx8GDo
Http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-cpL--0AQA

What else did jada make worth even a passing mention lol

Hes always good for a verse, but hes shit at making anything worthwhile 99 percent of the time

[Mr. J]

if we are talking worthwhile music then Drake & Pac are both on the same level

which makes sense because they were both actors...

[Chill Phil]

... But if u wanna talk music which I believe that's what hip hop is, then it's not close


I believe hip hop is lifestyle and lyrics, the beats themselves are marginally important, more so if they help amplify the content. On a platform such as this (netcees), where the goal is to always make someone you disagree with look foolish; I think there is no debate here as my opinion and your opinion are validated by what we believe individually. It's ok to be different. I'll be super cool chill phil. You'll be unnecessarily confrontational ill nika. I hope we can coexist peacefully while maintaining our differences. I'm simply not a DMX fan in the slightest. I don't understand what the big deal is about him. But, I'm not gonna give you a hard time for being one of the millions of people that think DMX has an epic catalog of records and albums. DMX is trash, and you're a faggot for liking him though.

[Certain]

I don't get the line of thinking that hip hop is all about the lyrics. Rap originated with DJs shouting out "I be the best and you know the rest. I'm DJ Hercules and I came to flex!" over looped breakbeats.

[Mr. J]

DJs eventually started allowing MCs to speak for them...eventually the MCs took it upon themselves to say they were the best too...& now we have Hip Hop

[Chill Phil]

I don't get the line of thinking that hip hop is all about the lyrics. Rap originated with DJs shouting out "I be the best and you know the rest. I'm DJ Hercules and I came to flex!" over looped breakbeats.

lyrics are important to hip hop. MCing is only one of the elements of hip hop.

[trap]

Great song but,

So Many Tears > Slippin

[ill nik-A]

I believe hip hop is lifestyle and lyrics, the beats themselves are marginally important, more so if they help amplify the content. On a platform such as this (netcees), where the goal is to always make someone you disagree with look foolish; I think there is no debate here as my opinion and your opinion are validated by what we believe individually. It's ok to be different. I'll be super cool chill phil. You'll be unnecessarily confrontational ill nika. I hope we can coexist peacefully while maintaining our differences. I'm simply not a DMX fan in the slightest. I don't understand what the big deal is about him. But, I'm not gonna give you a hard time for being one of the millions of people that think DMX has an epic catalog of records and albums. DMX is trash, and you're a faggot for liking him though.

But you're a moron that can't write well, beats suck and did I mention you're a moron?

Great definition of hip hop, moron

[Chill Phil]

Requesting a name change to Chill nik-A

[ill nik-A]

Requesting a name change to Chill nik-A

I think u should refer to moron phill is not chill but overkill

[Chill Phil]

thread's made already. post your ideas there. you're ruining this thread.

[oats]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyhWLXHiuCs

[Greed]

I mentioned this song in the best struggle songs thread and would like acknowledgement.

I always thought of dmx as a east cost pac.

[Mr. J]

Pac is a East Coast Pac....

[Certain]

I mentioned this song in the best struggle songs thread and would like acknowledgement.

Yes, none of us had heard one of the most famous songs by one of the most famous rappers ever. Thank you for putting us up on this one.

To return the favor, I suggest you give "Triumph" by The Wu-Tang Clan a spin.

[Certain]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyhWLXHiuCs

I hate when the YouTube uploader uses the wrong album cover.

[oats]

lol it confused me at first. for how similar those first two albums are, I think Flesh of My Flesh is a lot better.

[Certain]

It's Dark and Hell Is Hot was the commercial one. Flesh of my Flesh, Blood of my Blood was for the streets.

[Greed]

Yes, none of us had heard one of the most famous songs by one of the most famous rappers ever. Thank you for putting us up on this one.

To return the favor, I suggest you give "Triumph" by The Wu-Tang Clan a spin.

I dont like your tone, although ill take that response as a 'ive heard every song ever, and though you may have reminded me of it, i still heard it before that.'

[Certain]

I didn't even see your post in that thread. I was listening to DMX. "Slippin'" came on. I decided to use the opportunity to troll 2Pac.

[FLOOR LINED]

Dre has doper beats. DMX is dope as fuck. How can one be realer though. Pac is a legend. Died before 27... is a shame.