So we talking about Brussels? [Archive]

uh-oh

03-23-2016, 05:21 AM

Orc

03-23-2016, 07:45 AM

Vintage American responses. For shame.

Destroyer

03-23-2016, 08:18 AM

here's my Facebook post about it

"We tend to define 'moderates' based on how much of their religion they're willing to abandon in order to adopt a more reasonable position. And it never seems to occur to them that the more of it they stop believing, the more reasonable they become. And they never seem capable of following that through to its logical conclusion."

My thoughts to all affected by the attacks in Belgium...

sral

03-23-2016, 09:05 AM

that a sam harris quote?

Destroyer

03-23-2016, 09:24 AM

paraphrased, yep

anime_boners

03-23-2016, 09:33 AM

i dont know how to articulate my thoughts without sounding like an asshole. but to summarize anyways they are along the lines of i care about as much about this incident and the paris incident as i do any of the boko haram, or middle east terror attacks that happen weekly. which is a little. it feels bad knowing its happening. but its not america and i refuse to feel more sympathy just because the victims of this one were in a "white civilized" nation. i think its messed up our media focuses on this.

i mean i get it because its isis and they are our enemies of the moment but i mean who really gives a shit.

my pops says shit like i'd love for that to happen here, in a because WE'LL FUCK EM UP sense, and im like BRUH. you already forget about boston? it would do nothing except maybe we'd put troops on the ground. maybe we'd kill a bunch of people. but its not like we'd nuke them. you can't kill an ideaology. this shits gonna continue to happen no matter what. there is no answer.

leave these motherfuckers be. or eradicate them. everything else is a waste of time and i'm too busy enjoying katt williams' mental and spiritual breakdown, making music,playing video games, and following football too closely.

KATT WILLIAMS GOT BEAT UP BY A 13 YEAR OLD.

yall niggas wanna talk about BRUSSELS.

POINT IT OUT

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/ff/Europe.jpg

I don't agree with 99% of this. Mostly the whole "I don't care because it's not America". That's the attitude and arrogance that makes most of the world dislike Americans.

but I have to say I do agree that this stuff happens DAILY in the middle east and in Africa and receives ZERO coverage because it doesn't matter if the browns kill other browns and that is extremely fucked up.

BUT

a lot of innocents were hurt/killed and focus should go to condolences and support to the grieving tbh.

Plot

03-23-2016, 10:01 AM

This will just be the tip of the iceberg. Europe is about to become a battlefield. My hopes go out for my nc brethren Witty, Orc, Lars...your continent will be ravaged over the next few years, this activity will become the norm. The Elephant in the back of the room is emerging, the hatred Bush family fell upon the Middle East is rearing its ugly head and its very very angry.

Diablo

03-23-2016, 10:04 AM

lmao you been reading too much Baba Vagina or w/e the fuck that horseshit was Plot

calm the fuck down chyyyeah jnr

Plot

03-23-2016, 10:15 AM

Wake up and smell the napalm.

Suthaveli

03-23-2016, 10:48 AM

i dont know how to articulate my thoughts without sounding like an asshole. but to summarize anyways they are along the lines of i care about as much about this incident and the paris incident as i do any of the boko haram, or middle east terror attacks that happen weekly. which is a little. it feels bad knowing its happening. but its not america and i refuse to feel more sympathy just because the victims of this one were in a "white civilized" nation. i think its messed up our media focuses on this.

i mean i get it because its isis and they are our enemies of the moment but i mean who really gives a shit.

my pops says shit like i'd love for that to happen here, in a because WE'LL FUCK EM UP sense, and im like BRUH. you already forget about boston? it would do nothing except maybe we'd put troops on the ground. maybe we'd kill a bunch of people. but its not like we'd nuke them. you can't kill an ideaology. this shits gonna continue to happen no matter what. there is no answer.

leave these motherfuckers be. or eradicate them. everything else is a waste of time and i'm too busy enjoying katt williams' mental and spiritual breakdown, making music,playing video games, and following football too closely.

KATT WILLIAMS GOT BEAT UP BY A 13 YEAR OLD.

yall niggas wanna talk about BRUSSELS.

POINT IT OUT

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/ff/Europe.jpg

Yikes. & you probably speak for quite a few Americans when you say this, but you are entitled to your own opinion Just expect backlash to come from it.

Echoing @anime boners , theses actions happen daily in africa w.out any news coverage.
& if you wanna donwngrade to killings in our own back yards, w.in certain communties news stories involving certain types of murders are bypassed every day.
To an extent, the business aspect of it, i get it: Fresh story, doesn't typically happen w.in this type of community. Grabs audience &/or world in & generates ratings. But dealing w.years of oppression, we do feel as if we get slighted in many things.. which we do.

I do feel for the victims of this blast. I actually just recieved an email stating 3 of the research team staff memebers at my place of occupation were invovled, as well.

Plot

03-23-2016, 10:53 AM

I cant even.. cant even..
Oh so this happens all the time in Africa??
Well when was the last time this happened in Brussels bitch?
Isnt that whats more fucking important?

Destroyer

03-23-2016, 10:53 AM

no, moron

Suthaveli

03-23-2016, 10:56 AM

I cant even.. cant even..
Oh so this happens all the time in Africa??
Well when was the last time this happened in Brussels bitch?
Isnt that whats more fucking important?

You're a bot?

You're showing emotion. Don't make this easy for me.

Plot

03-23-2016, 11:02 AM

Yeah? Who'd you vote for in 2000?

Suthaveli

03-23-2016, 11:04 AM

Yeah? Who'd you vote for in 2000?

Wasn't old enough.
Next trap question.

Diode

03-23-2016, 11:05 AM

Yikes. & you probably speak for quite a few Americans when you say this, but you are entitled to your own opinion Just expect backlash to come from it.

Echoing @anime boners , theses actions happen daily in africa w.out any news coverage.
& if you wanna donwngrade to killings in our own back yards, w.in certain communties news stories involving certain types of murders are bypassed every day.
To an extent, the business aspect of it, i get it: Fresh story, doesn't typically happen w.in this type of community. Grabs audience &/or world in & generates ratings. But dealing w.years of oppression, we do feel as if we get slighted in many things.. which we do.

I do feel for the victims of this blast. I actually just recieved an email stating 3 of the research team staff memebers at my place of occupation were invovled, as well.

he's a trump supporter.

lemee see your shocked face.

Plot

03-23-2016, 11:06 AM

wasn't directed at you, it was for Destroyer.

You, call me a bot, need more.

Destroyer

03-23-2016, 11:07 AM

in 2000? I didn't vote
I voted in 08 and 12 though

Suthaveli

03-23-2016, 11:08 AM

Apologies. I don't agree w. uh-oh.
Lol.

I actually feel for victims in brussel. My words & attacks were actually on the media

Suthaveli

03-23-2016, 11:12 AM

Although imo, i think i hv a logical understanding of how they do this.

Fuck them.

Suthaveli

03-23-2016, 11:12 AM

wasn't directed at you, it was for Destroyer.

You, call me a bot, need more.

Apologies

Plot

03-23-2016, 11:18 AM

This attack on Brussels is not comparable to atrocities in Africa, the 1st world and the 3rd are different places, this is a considerably more ominous event.

Suthaveli

03-23-2016, 11:22 AM

This attack on Brussels is not comparable to atrocities in Africa, the 1st world and the 3rd are different places, this is a considerably more ominous event.

Feel free to elaborate on how. I mean, i read your whole statement. I just need more data than that.

Destroyer

03-23-2016, 11:23 AM

the first world and the third world are places where people try to live and die for bullshit causes of others
you think it's worse when white people are involved?
then you're part of the problem

uh-oh

03-23-2016, 11:35 AM

uh-oh

03-23-2016, 11:39 AM

Feel free to elaborate on how. I mean, i read your whole statement. I just need more data than that.

Because its a white civilized nation of course. White people dont care about boko haram or isis or whoever killing people of color because they cant relate to their lives. But suzie white bitch has an iphone and went to school and rides the train to her office job so they feel her life is more important.

But what do i know im just a white uncle tom/trump supporter

NYCSPITZ

03-23-2016, 11:41 AM

Im not a trump supporter and ive stated that countless times. I figured when i dropped trump 2016 in threads people would be smart enough to know im clowning. In every thread ive said i dont like trump, i have said and will continue to say i would vote for trump over hilary or bernie. Ill vote for any republican before either of them.

And when i say i dont care cuz its not america, i mean in the sense that every nation that isnt america gets the same amount of sympathy from me. Im not more sympathetic to brussels than any other place, the media and everyone else seems to be tho because anytime it happens in a predominantly white nation its a big deal, but if its some middle easterners asians anyone else its just a random thing scrolling on the news ticker while people talk about hilary and trump.

yeah so ur saying america>everywhere else. That makes no sense you are equating love for another human based on where they geographically reside. You are reacting to national fervor and letting the media and popular consensus think for you.

for example if some fly brazilian chick came thru new to the states...and u were banging her then some american chick who's uggg and wack comes thru hating like YO WTF FUCK ME INSTEAD basically ur saying you would choose that bitch instead of the brazilian. You basically saying the avg american>avg everyone else. Chill w that u need to get checked for that shit imo...shows ignorance and lack of empathy tbh...

Plot

03-23-2016, 11:43 AM

Aside: How many whites do you know of that don't live in the first world? Apart from Strik?

Destroyer

03-23-2016, 11:45 AM

first world, third world, bullshit terms
there's one world, with people in it

Plot

03-23-2016, 11:46 AM

You haven't seen poverty

Destroyer

03-23-2016, 11:49 AM

bro, step the fuck back
you don't know me or what I've seen
shut the entire fuck up

uh-oh

03-23-2016, 11:53 AM

yeah so ur saying america>everywhere else. That makes no sense you are equating love for another human based on where they geographically reside.

for example if some fly brazilian chick came thru new to the states...and u were banging her then some american chick who's uggg and wack comes thru hating like YO WTF FUCK ME INSTEAD basically ur saying you would choose that bitch instead of the brazilian. You basically saying the avg american>avg everyone else. Chill w that u need to get checked for that shit imo...shows ignorance and lack of empathy tbh...
I wont deny ignorance, and i wont deny i dropped out of high school and never passed english/writing classes so maybe im having trouble getting my point across. I dont feel more for any nation outside of america. Not because i think americans are better humans. But because im a fucking american.

I dont view an attack on belgium as worse than an attack in yemen. Its not my concern. I can feel bad for them and the families affected. I have enough empathy to feel bad for them all equally, where as the average american feels worse if it happens to a culture that resembles there own. Which is natural i guess

But im not gonna sit here and act like i wouldnt think it was worse if it happened in america. I wouldnt expect a belgian to think the boston bombings were worse than this. Or feel more empathy for americans. Thats ludicrous.

Diode

03-23-2016, 11:55 AM

uhoh does not now nor has he ever had empathy

yall are barking up the wrong tree

Plot

03-23-2016, 11:58 AM

Well then stop talking in circles.
I'm trying to explain to these fuckkking americans that this bombing in Europe
is serious! But in a few months will feel like a grain of sand in the bucket, look at it!
Free Radicals have swarmed Europe with the Syrian crisis, sleeper agents everywhere.

Diode

03-23-2016, 12:01 PM

I wont deny ignorance, and i wont deny i dropped out of high school and never passed english/writing classes so maybe im having trouble getting my point across. I dont feel more for any nation outside of america. Not because i think americans are better humans. But because im a fucking american.

I dont view an attack on belgium as worse than an attack in yemen. Its not my concern. I can feel bad for them and the families affected. I have enough empathy to feel bad for them all equally, where as the average american feels worse if it happens to a culture that resembles there own. Which is natural i guess

But im not gonna sit here and act like i wouldnt think it was worse if it happened in america. I wouldnt expect a belgian to think the boston bombings were worse than this. Or feel more empathy for americans. Thats ludicrous.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Suthaveli

03-23-2016, 12:05 PM

Because its a white civilized nation of course. White people dont care about boko haram or isis or whoever killing people of color because they cant relate to their lives. But suzie white bitch has an iphone and went to school and rides the train to her office job so they feel her life is more important.

But what do i know im just a white uncle tom/trump supporter

The feels, lls.
You being a trump supporter has nothing to do w.you're knowledge on other topics, breh.

uh-oh

03-23-2016, 12:05 PM

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

When the theoretical they comes for me ill kick em right in the nuts like take that you fucker

Then ride a glorious steed to Valhalla

Suthaveli

03-23-2016, 12:10 PM

I typically avoid these debates because we won't change each others minds on anything we strongly believe in. This will end up another 10+ page thread where the topic derails into muthafuckas ggetting into heated debates, damn near arguments over passionate beliefs. W.a couple of others coming in the thread to either bring the beef they already had existing w. Another muthafucka into the thread, people watching, gifs & meme from people trying to lighten the thread mood or instigators, & punchlines.

So I'll gracefully bow out & agree to disagree.

Sharp

03-23-2016, 12:15 PM

Man what

All I was thinking was that my heart goes out to victims and to a lesser extent, I heard about Ankara a few days before on npr and was surprised it never came up anywhere else

Srs what the fuck guys

NYCSPITZ

03-23-2016, 12:24 PM

I wont deny ignorance, and i wont deny i dropped out of high school and never passed english/writing classes so maybe im having trouble getting my point across. I dont feel more for any nation outside of america. Not because i think americans are better humans. But because im a fucking american.

I dont view an attack on belgium as worse than an attack in yemen. Its not my concern. I can feel bad for them and the families affected. I have enough empathy to feel bad for them all equally, where as the average american feels worse if it happens to a culture that resembles there own. Which is natural i guess

But im not gonna sit here and act like i wouldnt think it was worse if it happened in america. I wouldnt expect a belgian to think the boston bombings were worse than this. Or feel more empathy for americans. Thats ludicrous.

word but u seem to be going in circles u like all humans the same so why does it matter where they live? You are basing ur judgement of not caring about brussels attacks because people in brussels wouldn't care about america attacks so therefore u r letting the opinion of somebody in brussels dictate your opinion. Think for urself according to ur deepest truths bro. If you've had this mentality since high school you aren't thinking enough about it, u aren't evolving.

Plot

03-23-2016, 12:25 PM

rnt u a german?
Sharp might be mistaken

NYCSPITZ

03-23-2016, 12:29 PM

uhoh does not now nor has he ever had empathy

yall are barking up the wrong tree

Na uh oh has empathy he is just misguided, to be honest I would be more disgusted by somebody in the lower echelon of the upper class who feels ostensibly superior to others because of the gold plaited dross he has accumulated. Rifles, land, probably boring wife etc and sure you're "superior" to everyone. Suspect...

dull boy

03-23-2016, 12:35 PM

I don't think uh-oh is saying he cares less about the individuals because of where the attacks occurred, it's more about the fear as it relates to the proximity. It's about risk, not empathy. If Japan is attacked I feel for those citizens who are caught in the crossfire just as much as I would if it happened in America, but I wouldn't feel it posed as much of an immediate danger to me personally. It's also somewhat about desensitization.

Plot

03-23-2016, 12:39 PM

Your all deluded if you think there is no third world...
Half the world is in poverty, and they basically are fine with it.
They have no money and live off the land and are happier than you.
take a trip to Vanuatu or Baii or idk.. I have, it opened my eyes.

Destroyer

03-23-2016, 12:47 PM

you are probably just horrible at asserting your opinion
but you're coming off ignorant as fuck in this thread

Sharp

03-23-2016, 12:55 PM

rnt u a german?
Sharp might be mistaken

You might be thinking Sn00p. I'm American

Plot

03-23-2016, 12:56 PM

Dude I like you, I dig reading your batts
And I get your actually around the same age as me.
But Im not an American, and you are.
Im just not a yank. And you guys think it all revolves around you.
I like you man, but just here me out without the prejudice.

Plot

03-23-2016, 12:59 PM

Yeah..sorry, but hes in trouble, Europes going down

Destroyer

03-23-2016, 12:59 PM

I'm the one saying that it's all bad everywhere anytime it happens
you are like, nah it's only bad in the first world
I disagree

Plot

03-23-2016, 01:18 PM

Im saying its going to matter now.
...
This is like a domino effect .Heres a thought: 9'11 was 15 yrs ago, so if you were an 8 year old living in Iraq 15 yrs ago, now you are 23.. with a gut load of hate for the western world that ruined your childhood. Then spread this generation across Europe with the Syrian refugee crisis..

Diode

03-23-2016, 01:26 PM

Na uh oh has empathy he is just misguided, to be honest I would be more disgusted by somebody in the lower echelon of the upper class who feels ostensibly superior to others because of the gold plaited dross he has accumulated. Rifles, land, probably boring wife etc and sure you're "superior" to everyone. Suspect...

remember that time you lost though

Certain

03-23-2016, 02:17 PM

For the record, I can point out Belgium on a map of Europe.

Dominate

03-23-2016, 03:14 PM

this stuff happens DAILY in the middle east and in Africa and receives ZERO coverage because

It receives *some* coverage, but the reason it receives significantly less coverage isn't because of racism, it's BECAUSE it happens on a daily basis. The entire idea of reporting the news is to report things which are new. Things you didn't expect to happen.

Diode

03-23-2016, 03:38 PM

For the record, I can point out Belgium on a map of Europe.

samesies. history bros.

*pound*

uh-oh

03-23-2016, 05:27 PM

I can point to its general direction but i wouldnt be positive. I could be pointing at germany or france. Thas why i posted a map without borders lol. And dull boy gets what im saying.

An attack on america is attack on me in essence. Its the countru i live in and pay taxes too. Its the country i had to sign up to for selective service. Etc.

Thats why i can look at all those other countries from the stance of them being equal in the sense that it doesnt matter if it was turkey or belgium. France or yemen. Its all some shit that isnt related to me

I forgot we all live in a hippy peace love pc world tho where we dont recognise borders and should share everything

~RustyGunZ~

03-23-2016, 08:09 PM

gotta agree with uh oh somewhat

I doesn't make me feel any type of way

maybe if it was more surprising but I can't waste time or emotion every week when innocent people get killed over bullshit

also as he said there is no answer, it won't stop no matter what anyone does

WHOLE WORLD IS FUCKED BROS

SHECK WES

03-23-2016, 08:54 PM

I'm not your brother, guy.

Certain

03-23-2016, 10:55 PM

I can point to its general direction but i wouldnt be positive. I could be pointing at germany or france. Thas why i posted a map without borders lol.

It's just north of the Strait of Dover (narrowest point on the English Channel), so it's really not hard to find. I pointed to it on your map, then went and double-checked myself and was right. Now, could I draw the exact boundaries, no. But I could point to a spot that I was sure is Belgium.

timeless

03-25-2016, 12:09 PM

Nothing about the ivory coast?

How bout that mason who survived Paris Boston and now Brussels?

Ghost1

03-25-2016, 03:00 PM

Sorry not sure if I'm gonna be able to pay the light bill this month don't have time to give a fuck

Ghost1

03-25-2016, 06:44 PM

Also uh oh went out of his way to recreate the map meme floating around fb on nc

Like no1 would NOTICE

Fucku

~RustyGunZ~

03-25-2016, 08:16 PM

Also uh oh went out of his way to recreate the map meme floating around fb on nc

Like no1 would NOTICE

Fucku

ayo not worth it's own thread but speaking of stealing FB jokes

you see the new barbershop trailer lmao?

they dead ass used the giving kids danny devito haircuts as punishment joke from a facebook meme/video

ice cube has no shame

Ghost1

03-26-2016, 08:57 AM

Lmfao the fact they even making a new barbershop is proof enuff alone that ice cube has no shame smh

Certain

03-26-2016, 12:39 PM

I am kind of excited for the new Barbershop.

uh-oh

03-26-2016, 03:04 PM

Also uh oh went out of his way to recreate the map meme floating around fb on nc

Like no1 would NOTICE

Fucku

ur joking right? Link the map meme, when i was posting in this thread all anyone had was condolences you BUM

im forever devils advocate. Im way ahead of fb trolls with my trolling

Recognize greatness or get this work

Ghost1

03-26-2016, 04:15 PM

I'm nkt doin that cuz FUCK U

It's a kermit meme tho

SHECK WES

03-27-2016, 11:16 AM

http://yournewswire.com/brussels-attack-looks-like-another-false-flag-heres-why/

Dominate

03-28-2016, 04:59 AM

http://yournewswire.com/brussels-attack-looks-like-another-false-flag-heres-why/

Tl;dr - the Jews did it.

~RustyGunZ~

03-28-2016, 06:49 AM

Damn jews

Urban Dialect

03-29-2016, 01:57 PM

black america, and west africa understands how Brussels feels
and we're pissed off about it!
but not like you think
WE <-blacks here in america, have been terroized by these motherfuckers <-white people here in america, for 100 of years, and YOU Motherfuckers<- white countries outside of america, turned a blind eye and do nothing to help us,

NOw, you're being terrorized and crying like little bitches, JUST LIKE WE<-black america, did, over being bomb.

How you going to call out the D god for his opinions when you feel the same way.
You personally might not feel like uh ho, but as a whole country that's how ya'll feel too.. Based on the reason given above

I watch a movie called "London has Fallen"

to watch another mother fucker outside of america put his hands on the our president made me feel some type of way..
like... Naw, if anybodies going to kill or put their hands on our president, it's going to be us<- other americans. i did not know i felt this way about America untill i watched this move, i thought i hated this place

Anyway, Just how you and you're father feel about Black people's stuggle with white people here in america, that how the people here in america feel about your problems

who gives a shit,
it's all to get the people to the breaking point where they will all agree to the nuclear option.

Prepare for War

Pharaohs Army

03-31-2016, 06:37 PM

Here's some thoughts
My heart sinks whenever I see a "scroll" on the bottom of a TV news screen ticker, that says "this many killed/this many wounded... today in Iraq, or today in Pakistan". Or Yemen. Or other African countries.
Yeah- which aren't covered much at all on US Television news (if you dig u can probly find some decent internet "print reporting" tho)

Shit, Boko Horam around a month ago sent female suicide bombers INTO A REFUGEE CAMP full of women and children, then male fighters came through and burned the people and housing structures that weren't exploded.

the hatred Bush family fell upon the Middle East is rearing its ugly head and its very very angry.
I hate Bush foreign policy too, but when will you people wake up to the fact that Western Foreign policy is not the big factor here?

There is a civil war between Sunnis and Shiites; that's why they blow up Mosques full of other Muslims.
That's why Saudis and Iranians are fighting a geopolitical proxy war (to go along with the religious underpinnings)...

?Did terrorists blow up hundreds of innocents in a park in Pakistan during Easter celebrations Because of American Foreign Policy?
Give me a fucking break

The teachings of their holy book (written by the creator of the universe) states that non-muslims are infidels to be killed, converted, or subjugated.

Islam says that governance and "the state" are to be one and the same/intertwined with Holy Law--
The antithesis of secular separation of church&state

It's really not that complicated. (the why)
The hard part is finding solutions, since reformers and apostates are usually threatened, silenced, or killed.
Also, far too much "turn a blind eye", or tacit support, from the very religious... even if they themselves do not engage in violence.

Many times when there is a "democratic election", the population Votes in Sharia Law governments.. essentially: "as a democracy we declare that we'd like to have a theocracy, thx."

then, with ISIS, we have the scripture on steroids

I find it sad that Paris & Brussels have been recent targets
Pretty dang tolerant and free places (relative to most in the world)
Talk about being "ungrateful"

I mean if terrorists are "hitting" the US or Israel, they can at least spout their secular grievances, but for god sakes France&Belgium??
Sure, there' probably a right wing faction with islamophobia, which could make life difficult...
WONDER WHY?, LOL

I am left of center but find it absolutely disgusting that our President (and many-a-liberal) does not call a spade a spade.

ISIS has "Hijacked" Islam? "Warped" the faith?
Na. As Destroyer alluded to, they're just following the Hadith and the violent parts of the Qran very very closely. They are the most faithful.

The slaughter is just so pointless
This is what you get when the largest religion in the world is not only a death cult, but a death cult that wishes to expand& force upon others.

The things religious people believe en mass.. clinically insane beliefs in any other (non-"faith") context.

but an "extremist" Jane just gets more&more peaceful, so the "kind of beliefs" matter.. to paraphrase Harris

uh-oh

03-31-2016, 06:51 PM

Alot of it is western foreign policy tho breh

I cant speak on pakistan that could be a number of things, but you mention the shiites and sunnis or however you spell it having their civil war or whatever. You gotta understand that westerners went and divided the middle east and cut it all up and placed the borders for them. Iraq for instance is really like 3 different countries in their eyes. But we come in and give this swath of land one name, give them "democracy" help get a leader elected who is in the wests pocket and whether he is sunni or shiite, that person is basically stupid harsh on the opposite faction that he rules over. And he only rules over them because the west deemed it so.

Alot of the middle easts problems have to do with the west. You cant chalk it up to just islam.

Eŋg

03-31-2016, 07:08 PM

if you were to decontextualize scripture from any of the three abrahamic religions you could make very convincing cases for each of them justifying the murder of those that aren't of their faith. those justifications have, historically, been actualized in the past, too. when cities are carpet bombed and innocent women and children are murdered en masse (to allegedly weed out a few 'terrorists' or insurgents they're sure are there) predominantly from the military forces of supposedly 'christian' states the faith is rarely, if ever, brought into it - even when a leader, at the time of committing said atrocities, will say their 'christian conscience is clear' (paraphrase).

you could also scour the scripture for good examples that posit co-existence. but nobody is interested in that, because when shit goes down, we (as a collective) immediately want to assign blame somewhere as long as it isn't among ourselves. creatures governed by fear and quick to cling to the negative.

on numbers alone (go and look at them), 'ISIS' are responsible for killing more muslims than they are non-muslims, so they can hardly be termed the jihadist crusaders for islamic justice, can they? atrocities committed outside of the western world (essentially america and europe) aren't given media exposure unless they fit into the western political rhetoric. similarly, true empathy/compassion can't be selective and switched on only when your news story tells you it should be. basically, we don't give a fuck unless white people are killed. assuming those white people aren't white muslim chechens or something. you know, those actually caucas people.

to summarize, ISIS isn't remotely representative of islam and is so only because of flawed hive-minded, mob-mentality thinking. i question whether they even think they're muslim, honestly, because it's not like there's no precedent for warring factions to assume another identity in attempts to exacerbate tensions or force a hand, is there? no, of course not. i'll let my nigga diderot put it more succintly than i could hope to:

disturbances in society are never more fearful than when those who are stirring up the trouble can use the pretext of religion to mask their true designs.

i mean, come on. he wrote that in the 17th century or some shit. smart dumb niggas. i can definitely point belgium out on a map, too.

Pharaohs Army

03-31-2016, 07:35 PM

I'm not discounting the role of western foreign policy
I'm saying the religion is the underlying cause, above all

Ask an ISIS fighter if they think they're Muslim, lol
Ask an ISIS fighter if they hate America - Yep, for reasons X Y and Z which, damn they've got some points,,, But, ask them Why they are doing what they are doing? And the answer is because they are calling all to the Caliphate, to bring on the end times, and that they love death more than the infidel loves life.

They could be lying, who knows. I tend to take them at their word and at their actions.

Pharaohs Army

03-31-2016, 08:05 PM

if you were to decontextualize scripture from any of the three abrahamic religions you could make very convincing cases for each of them justifying the murder of those that aren't of their faith. those justifications have, historically, been actualized in the past, too.
I know bro.
But it's VERY clear in Islamic text, and far more frequent. "Less steps" of decontextualizations.
Also note the word "past"... if I lived hundreds of years ago, Catholicism would absolutely be the clear and present danger that I'd be concerned about.

when cities are carpet bombed and innocent women and children are murdered en masse (to allegedly weed out a few 'terrorists' or insurgents they're sure are there) predominantly from the military forces of supposedly 'christian' states the faith is rarely, if ever, brought into it - even when a leader, at the time of committing said atrocities, will say their 'christian conscience is clear' (paraphrase).

Shock & Awe made me sick to my stomach and conscience.
But as I have made some broad points about terrorism and Islam, I ask myself: little girls being kidnapped, denied schooling, or treated as sex slaves (spoils of war) becaaaause??... can we draw a straight line from these things to US bombings in the Middle East?, I'd say the line is much much straighter to the Prophet Mohammad's worldly conquests and exploits.

you could also scour the scripture for good examples that posit co-existence. but nobody is interested in that, because when shit goes down, we (as a collective) immediately want to assign blame somewhere as long as it isn't among ourselves. creatures governed by fear and quick to cling to the negative.

There are some beautiful parts of the Koran. A lot of Goodnatured folks are inclined to interpret 'jihad' as an inner struggle for piety pureness and goodness to all.
Lol, I'm not worried about that. At all.
I'm more concerned about the other very common interpretation of Jihad (which does not take much 'twisting' at ALL). You know.. The one which results in body parts of innocent people being exploded all over. This is happening more frequently these last few years.

I'm also concerned about innocent civilians being exploded when a drone strike occurs. Even if their skin is brown.

on numbers alone (go and look at them), 'ISIS' are responsible for killing more muslims than they are non-muslims, so they can hardly be termed the jihadist crusaders for islamic justice, can they?

So when ISIS goes into a village and spraypaints buildings with symbols that display the "kind of Muslim" the residents of the building are... I guess that's just for the fun of it.

to summarize, ISIS isn't remotely representative of islam...
Then why do they use passages from the Hadith and Koran to justify what they're doing, and to recruit?

...and is so only because of flawed hive-minded, mob-mentality thinking.
Congratulations, you've defined religion.
particularly the big3 monotheistics.