Ok, Witty is once again testing your patience with another dumb question.

[Witty]

SSLP vs MMLP vs The Eminem show.

And please explain.

[Witty]

Btw, I choose, in this order

MMLP
EMINEM SHOW
SSLP

[Mr. J]

Devils Night

[Witty]

MMLP was an unstoppable force, I remember we used to hide in the woods cuz our parents didn't get it...but from 'When I was just a little boy, my momma used to tell me these crazy things' I was hooked.

Just the tone, the charisma, it was mind blowing and different.

[Adonis]

It's called the twenty second century Witty, we're all waiting for you over here

[Certain]

1. The Slim Shady LP
2. The Marshall Mathers LP
3. The Eminem Show

The reason is because I'm not a fan of Eminem's shtick, the one that has grown over the years. I don't like his screaming. I don't like his redundancies. He is an amazing talent, and he used it to make himself arguably the most important (note: not best) rapper ever (note: importance going beyond rap culture). But the further he pushed his own personality beyond the standards of rap, the less I liked him.

"Rock Bottom" and "Brain Damage" are my favorite Eminem. But that version was only going to be able to last for a little while. He built himself into a megastar, the highest-selling rapper ever by eight miles. That's great and smart, but I never liked his music more than his first full album.

[Useless]

MMLP
EMINEM SHOW
SSLP

I agree with this

[~RustyGunZ~]

i don't like any of them

it's all cheesy

[oats]

my list of favorite between those vs. which is the BEST is different. Personally, Eminem Show is my favorite even though I think it's demonstrably the worst of those 3 (IE has the most not-good songs), but the peaks he hits on that album are among my favorite moments in all of rap. After that I like SSLP and MMLP in that order, mostly because the anger and acidity of MMLP does not resonate with me like it did in middle school lol.

but in terms of his greatest albums, I'd flip it around. I think MMLP was a massive album in every way and deserves recognition as his best album, with SSLP coming in after as an excellent album that lacks the breakout tracks of MMLP, and Eminem Show is too long and has several skip-worthy tracks.

I think me and Wise Ways are in the minority in thinking that Relapse is right behind those 3 albums, above Encore, Recovery and MMLP2.

[Greed]

Mmlp
Sslp
Show

Actually show wasnt that bad now that i think of it.

[Ghost1]

It's funny cuz show was my least fav at the time.....but running it back now it's so fucking good.....

For me I'd go

Sslp
Show
Mmlp



Sslp was the rawest most uncut hungry yet still polished enuff to cut a mainstream album that we could ever get from him. The perfect storm. Mmlp for a long time would've been my 2nd on the list but the older I get the more em show grows on me. It's just more intricate and deep in comparison imo. Granted it has sum horrible shit on it....like sum of his garbage ass beats an sum terrible hooks....but the shit that does bang bangs eternal.

[uh-oh]

Sslp
Mmlp
Emshow

With a huge gap between mm and emshow.

All had corny shit but sslp had boom bap thuggery. Mmlp had more early 00s type production which is cool but alot of it was whatever to me.

Infinite is still better than all of them. I know its the corny stance to take. But its the correct one.

Goodbye

[Ghost1]

Infinite is fuckin Boo boo

[Certain]

SSLP coming in after as an excellent album that lacks the breakout tracks of MMLP

"My Name Is," "Guilty Conscience" and "Role Model" don't count?

[Inno]

Infinite is EM at his finest.

No bullshit pop singer lyrics or overly done mom
References.

It's EM, proof, and bars.

SSLP far second.

MMLP he was at the height of that corny shit

[Ghost1]

Man he has no style in infinite

Every song sounds identical

An his flow an bars are garbage

Wtf r we even talking about?

[Inno]

Man he has no style in infinite

Every song sounds identical

An his flow an bars are garbage

Wtf r we even talking about?

Dunno man I love that cd

And you probably right that all the songs sounds alike.

But I just dig the raw aspect of it.

Just my personal opinion. I personally only like rock bottom, guilty conscience and brain damage on SSLP.


Edit: and mushrooms girl

Where's Dave at before I bash you....i dunno I think he's taking a crap dude.

Those multiples tho.

[Ghost1]

Man the only song I'd even consider skipping on sslp is 97 bonnie an clyde......an only just cuz I've heard it a million times an it's kindve slow. I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS

[Inno]

Lmao. I that's song.

The other day that shit came on am I'm like.

Yo I wonder what haily thinks about this song.

[Ghost1]

Lmao yo Hailey bad bruh

[Mr. J]

Infinite is EM at his finest.

No bullshit pop singer lyrics or overly done mom
References.

It's EM, proof, and bars.

SSLP far second.

MMLP he was at the height of that corny shit

This....1000x this

[Inno]

Lmao yo Hailey bad bruh

http://img.wennermedia.com/social/1426630849_hailiee-mathers-zoom.jpg

Nuggah what.

that's like fine china

[uh-oh]

Man he has no style in infinite

Every song sounds identical

An his flow an bars are garbage

Wtf r we even talking about?
Obviously trolling. I see now.

[Ghost1]

Lol now I'm in bizarro world

Oh but hey while ur here with ur selectively odd tastes

U never listened to blu an exile?

Exile beats seem like something u'd be hype about. Never heard u mention them tho

[uh-oh]

I checked the one album everyone was hype about years ago and liked some of it. Above the clouds? Does that sound like a thing lol? I remember liking a few but it was just a random record in the rotation not a classic like others were praising it at the time

[Ghost1]

Below the heavens*

Word it's dope

Classic is prolly pushing it tho, agree

[oats]

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[oats]

"My Name Is," "Guilty Conscience" and "Role Model" don't count?

I feel like those were all overshadowed by Real Slim Shady, Stan and Way I Am tbh.


I like SSLP more, but MMLP was a phenomenon.

And Infinite was not a good album, idk why anyone insists on putting it in the conversation.

[Destroyer]

I put MMLP at #1 just for the title track
it's too dope

[Certain]

I feel like those were all overshadowed by Real Slim Shady, Stan and Way I Am tbh.


I like SSLP more, but MMLP was a phenomenon.

And Infinite was not a good album, idk why anyone insists on putting it in the conversation.

Anyone who likes "The Real Slim Shady" more than "My Name Is" ...

[oats]

I like SSLP more, but MMLP was a phenomenon.

Also applies to those songs individually. So yeah, I agree.

[Certain]

Nah, "My Name Is" was the phenomenon. Everything else was the gathering moss, with the exceptions of "Stan" and "Lose Yourself," which are the two singles that pushed him into new ears.

[Mr. J]

Relapse is probably the only album I can listen to without having to skip anything tbh...


aside from Drug Ballad, Stan & Remember Me I cant get into MMLP like I used to

loved a majority of Em Show because he actually tried stepping away from focusing on Pop acts

My Fault is probably the most memorable track for me from SSLP

[oats]

I don't know, I feel like My Name Is got his leg in the door of a mainstream audience, but Real Slim Shady blew up the house. Even if it didn't bring a substantial new audience (which I don't think is true), it validated and catapulted his stardom.

[Mr. J]

I always thought Forgot About Dre was what put him onto everyone else...



but Im from the West Coast so idk people still tryna get hyphy & shit talking about Tech N9ne waiting for that new E40 dressing in bell bottoms tryna rap like they on syrup while listening to Gin & Juice talking about going dumb and other shit...stupid...

[MMLP]

hmmmm dunno what my fave would be.... ;)


The Eminem Show grabs second spot imho, to keep up that momentum, with all the expectation built around his elevated fame and huge success, he quite simply delivered! Even the novelty sounding songs were well structured and witty!

[dull boy]

SSLP feels dated. Like a 90s styled version of a funnier early Earl Sweatshirt. Maybe it's because the style became so copied. Maybe because the style and album became almost taboo to like. It was a more polished Infinite Em with a persona that seemed to take the restraints off of his personality. A younger me loved SSLP and when The Eminem Show dropped I remember thinking he was trending towards a more gangster image, which I associated with the mainstream rap I had condemned for the most part. The ability was still there. The humor. Even the subject matter, but it was all tinted with a more serious persona that I didn't vibe with quiet as much. Relapse felt like a more mature version of SSLP and I laugh at the hilarity of it the same way I laugh reading A Clockwork Orange. His G-Unit/Obie Trice/Source beef years were my least favorite overall, but there's still enjoyable verses sprinkled about that period from him.

MMLP I feel like I've listened to too many times to even rate. It's like that shitty movie you watched 100 times as a kid that you should hate as an adult, but can't get past the nostalgia to accurately judge. Not saying it's shitty, only that I can't rate it accurately. Stan is like some ancient Beatles song you've grown up hearing in elevators, department store speakers and countless car rides. It's too iconic to even listen to normally or as its own track, almost. I feel like the concepts and execution on MMLP were a combination of the height of his ability and just coming off the height of his hunger as an artist. Realizing he had made it, but feverishly working to seize the opportunity.

'Kim' as a first listen song was insane.

[2tripple0]

Lmao nothing gets by you does it like I have never even half heartedly heard any reason not to think the effort made by Eminem to go ahead and record something bigger or more recent that would be quote unquote: dope and hilarious as fuck

[dull boy]

I have never

even half heartedly heard

any reason not to think the effort made by Eminem

to go ahead and record something bigger

or more recent

that would be quote unquote dope and hilarious as fuck



What?

[2tripple0]

Unquestionably vindicating this page

fell on my knees
And started to prey

The integration of his pain
Finds my text a bit personal
So I soaked u like cloth
But u broke as a joke and your friends are losers
Ya got mad and gave me a Phrenetic dissonance to his structurr

[dull boy]

OMG YOURE SO CREATIVE WOW PLEASE SAY MORE THINGS THAT DONT MAKE SENSE

[Ghost1]

Hey man stop that

He's different than u

[2tripple0]

Touching that I thought u didn't like me though thanks for giving space to express my ideas

None of that is shit that don't make sense in fact your making it too easy be more harsh or reason over it make him suffer a bit longer

[Ghost1]

Stfu u fucking retard

[2tripple0]

Uhh just doing my job boss sorry it'd not okay to fill my cupboards since u make the rules brother so I only hope I can keep you interested

I love harsh representations like that be more evil towards my flows and comments it really upheaves ya style well

[dull boy]

Your gibberish doesn't get under my skin, it's the idea of you thinking it's worth doing for others to see.

Congratulations.

[Detriment]

Infinite is EM at his finest.

No bullshit pop singer lyrics or overly done mom
References.

It's EM, proof, and bars.

SSLP far second.

MMLP he was at the height of that corny shit

You're crazy. Infinite might have had some nice rhyming, i'll give you that, but as far as the actual lyricism and variety of sound behind it, nah. It rhymed a bunch of big words together woo. It may even have a high nostalgic value but not even close to Eminem at this finest. It was raw, and his hunger to succeed at the time was high and it's definitely some good shit but again, em at his finest? haha. NO.

[Inno]

You're crazy. Infinite might have had some nice rhyming, i'll give you that, but as far as the actual lyricism and variety of sound behind it, nah. It rhymed a bunch of big words together woo. It may even have a high nostalgic value but not even close to Eminem at this finest. It was raw, and his hunger to succeed at the time was high and it's definitely some good shit but again, em at his finest? haha. NO.

Just how I feel man. Never got into the whole pop singer
Bashing theme he carried through out all those albums.

On infinite there's very little if not close to none of that, is probably why
I hold it in high regards.

Mr. J I love the sample on beautiful from relapse

[Ghost1]

That was a shitty job of defending ur shitty oppinion

[uh-oh]

Listening back to infinite it only had a couple on it lol. I just lump all his old unreleased shit together

But they all only had a couple on em. If i was to make a tape of listenable eminem songs today, like shit that us as grown men could listen to and not angsty teen homos, thered probably be like 8-10 tracks total.

If you put more on your a cornball.

[2tripple0]

More reason for him to drop something new and fresh lmao that would be dope

[Certain]

Most of the Eminem songs that I still really like have (or are) guest appearances, even if it’s just someone to do the hook because his own hooks tend to be so abrasive, especially by The Marshall Mathers LP.

But yeah:

“Guilty Conscience”
“Bad Meets Evil”
“Stan”
“Till I Collapse”
“Hellbound”
“Renegade”
“Forgot About Dre”
“Dead Wrong”
“Patiently Waiting”

Those all still are great. Then you have songs like “Welcome to D-Block,” where I don’t like his hook at all but his verse is ridiculous (and still not as good as Jadakiss’). Maybe it's just that when he's on a track with someone else, he doesn't turn everything inward the same way.

[uh-oh]

word i'd put a bunch of those in if we're talking 1 verse efforts and etc

shit like

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fvAYkJ7ViU

but word. im just in full hater mode lol, but last night i listened back to sslp and mmlp. sslp has a few. mmlp really has none. i mean i get it if anyone was to mention some from it but its all way corny now. i cant even bring myself to listen to the eminem show or anything after that

[Ghost1]

If I get locked up tonite may be my fav em ever

Since we've abandoned the initial discussion and uh oh is just posting random thoughts on em at this point

[Certain]

We need an album where Eminem has at least one black guy featured on every song. Also, this album needs to be recorded in 2002.

[Mr. J]

We need an album where Eminem has at least one black guy featured on every song. Also, this album needs to be recorded in 2002.

Bad Meets Evil doesn't count :(

[Inno]

That was a shitty job of defending ur shitty oppinion

FUCK YOU.

When your in hell there gonna loop that cd forever.

[Ghost1]

It's gonna be sum prime pussy down there THO

[Dominate]

Mmlp
Sslp
Show

Sslp might be objectively better than Mmlp if i listened now, but Mmlp was the first rap album I ever bought and I cracked puberty through that era. I have a lot of nostalgia and #feels about that album.

[Pharaohs Army]

Bags, Few nights ago I had the same thoughts about If I Get Locked Up
Just the pure scheming of that song...changed my outlook on some things technically.

dull boy, I agree about the "listened too many times back in old days to be completely objective".

That being said if I had to make judgements, I'd say MMLP he was a "better rapper" by orders of magnitude, as far as flow&skill level, and to a lesser extent probably rhymes too.
But SSLP was such a gamechanger with a buncha good tracks
MMLP game-changer too, but not in the same 'initial' way

So it's hard to rank those 2..
NOW I say SSLP because of the "importance"
A decade ago I'da said MMLP for sure

Show is good
Square Dance, Bye to Hollywood, Say What U Say are all slept on

Certain, take another close listen to the rhyming in Say What U Say
But I donno if I can put show up with sslp & mmlp

Agreed w/ J and whoever else mentioned My Fault & Drug Ballad as enjoyable listens

Some amazing tracks on all 3 albs and also some duds
I'm sick of a bunch of it no doubt, due to listening too much at work

The newest shit of Em I just can't get into due to his grating voice
If I occasionally get sick of Em & Vinnie Paz's voices (legendz), then I guess I have no chance with my own voice, lols.

Wide Awake on relapse has sik rhyming

[Certain]

"Square Dance" is awful yet still not as bad as "Hailie's Song" and "My Dad's Gone Crazy." By The Eminem Show, his hooks had become a legitimate problem. "Business" makes me hate his voice.

"Say What You Say" fits my rule of him being better off when he has a guest appearance.

[Mr. J]

I always enjoyed Business I hated that god awful intro though...

to me Em always sounded like Paul Reubens at certain points especially when hes yelling