Politics!

[uh-oh]

lol

So its looking for sure to be trump and clinton now.

Shame on america.

Anyone wanna place early bets?

Also why dont libertarians get any support? If all the bernie people said fuck hilary and the intelligent republicans said fuck trump do you think a 3rd party guy like gary johnson could become sortve relevant?

[Certain]

Why would Bernie Sanders supporters vote for a Libertarian?

[~RustyGunZ~]

I'll be voting for Gary Johnson

[uh-oh]

Why would Bernie Sanders supporters vote for a Libertarian?

Because they are millenial buffoons who dont know what to believe in the first place?

[Certain]

Because they are millenial buffoons who dont know what to believe in the first place?

That's ... actually a cogent point.

I'm just a socialist, outright. That's why I was fine with Bernie Sanders (a bad candidate for the cause, all things considered, but at least I agreed with his general views) and why I dislike Libertarians almost as much as outrage Republicans and the Religious Right.

[~RustyGunZ~]

lol socialist

so you believe in fairytales

[NYCSPITZ]

yo uh-oh is a mad genius.

Millenials young ass, 15-30 years of experience in this timeless universe ass niggas... are feeling FAKE STRONG right now TBH. Bernie sander: WE HAVE TO CHANGE IT ALL CHANGE EVERYTHING ARAGHRGAHRGAH ****HEART ATTACK****

Dude would die in year 2 anyways. He's too old and the oligarchy wouldn't have it. People I worked with in my last job liked him but they were idealistic, naive and most of them were retards and liars. Bernie Sanders presidency only occurs in 1 out of 10,000 parallel universes. It's gonna be Hillary, first we have like 1,000,234,231,324 white preisdents, then a black one, and now a female...my only question is, why you going black, female after all this white shit? Tryna take attention off WHAT, BRO? Like, wars and foreign policy and civil rights and shit like that MY NIGGA. Fuck outta here son u ain't fooling NYC yo. Shit's FISHY is what it is but still would rather be in America than a 3rd world country or even a 2nd world country even moscow if you know russian and you're rich also china. Best thing is to be a global citizen with the ability to travel anywhere you want. And NEVER piss off multi-national corporations and don't travel to excessively reckless, and militant countries.

[Sharp]

I don't think knuck knows anything about most political structures except that he HATE them

But word uhoh. I'm actually hoping this election cycle starts giving rise to more 3rd party candidates, not in a tea party way. Democratic socialist and libertarian could definitely start scoring a few congressional seats in the right districts, problem is the two big parties have gerrymandered so much that there are a ton of near guaranteed red/blue out there now

Gotta believe though

[~RustyGunZ~]

I know everything about politics Sharp

You must disagree with me if that's your response and I'm upset you're one of those people

It's all a lie anyway

uh-oh legit the realest dude on NC when talm bout politics

[Certain]

There's no reason for both parties to break up simultaneously. If one breaks, the other will have an increased incentive to avoid a break. It appears the Republicans are much closer to a fracture, but even though they have three distinct groups in their party (the outraged, the fiscal conservatives and the religious right), they stick together because falling apart would guarantee liberal rule that none of those groups wants.

[Diode]

I know everything about politics Sharp

You must disagree with me if that's your response and I'm upset you're one of those people

It's all a lie anyway

uh-oh legit the realest dude on NC when talm bout politics

Yeah definitely not the people with degrees in the subject

[~RustyGunZ~]

This is why I don't dive into political conversations

Everyone is an expert to their bias

But all I'm gonna say is if you're speaking on yourself you'd be in the political world if you were that involved and knowledgeable but you sell software on commission so I'll take it that degree is just kinnnddd of relevant or a throw away social studies dealio

[boof]

what the fuck are you guys talking about

hillary can't win the nomination unless she wins 80% of the rest of the votes, which is impossible since cali is split right now

it's going to be a contested convention in philly, that's basically a guarentee at this point, and if bernie wins as big in cali as momentum seems to show, he might go in neck and neck with pledged delegates

hillary is being exposed for a multitude of illegal action more and more each day, and can literally be indicted by the fbi at any turn, the only thing keeping her in this position of seeming to have the nomination locked up is the constant biased, paid for coverage all over television

still, after
-admitted fraud in arizona,
-the debacle in new york,
-registration purges,
-countless reports of disenfranchisement,
-illegal actions at polling places in philadelphia,
-bought out superdelegates,
-false reports of bernie dropping out through mail & phone banking
-hillary funneling campaign money through state parties to exceed the allowed amount of contributions x130
-not to mention the ridiculous facebook group child pornography shit

he's still only down by 200 delegates, and has been closing the gap since early March

plus, cruz just dropped out which helps sanders even more


so....

we're fine

[boof]

It appears the Republicans are much closer to a fracture,

why do you think this?

[oats]

Knucklehead I worked for a republican governor and a democratic representative for several years, decided I don't want to work in politics for numerous reasons. what someone does for a living has no bearing on other areas of knowledge. people here aren't recording artists or professional MCs, and they know a ton about hip hop. don't make stupid arguments; your first one (everyone is an expert of their own biases) was actually a good one.

[uh-oh]

That's ... actually a cogent point.

I'm just a socialist, outright. That's why I was fine with Bernie Sanders (a bad candidate for the cause, all things considered, but at least I agreed with his general views) and why I dislike Libertarians almost as much as outrage Republicans and the Religious Right.

i hear you. if i was to put myself in a party it would be libertarian but i don't like putting a name on my views. but they kindve align with libertarianISM

their are "social libertarians" too. basically all the same ideals, minimal government, state rights, free market free will blah blah, but without the whole dissolving of social programs stuff.

[uh-oh]

Knucklehead I worked for a republican governor and a democratic representative for several years, decided I don't want to work in politics for numerous reasons. what someone does for a living has no bearing on other areas of knowledge. people here aren't recording artists or professional MCs, and they know a ton about hip hop. don't make stupid arguments; your first one (everyone is an expert of their own biases) was actually a good one.
his point i don't think was that i was more knowledgable on the ins and outs of the political system, but more im honest and open with my opinion in reference to politics. i'll never claim to be more knowledgable than diode for instance.

but the difference is i engage in the discussions while he'll drop a big word like keynesian that i have to google to even know what he means lol. but thats if he engages at all. most the time it will be him just criticizing some irrelevant point like in this thread.

not to go at diode though. switch his name out with any of the political "snobs" for lack of a better word.

[uh-oh]

what the fuck are you guys talking about

hillary can't win the nomination unless she wins 80% of the rest of the votes, which is impossible since cali is split right now

it's going to be a contested convention in philly, that's basically a guarentee at this point, and if bernie wins as big in cali as momentum seems to show, he might go in neck and neck with pledged delegates

hillary is being exposed for a multitude of illegal action more and more each day, and can literally be indicted by the fbi at any turn, the only thing keeping her in this position of seeming to have the nomination locked up is the constant biased, paid for coverage all over television

still, after
-admitted fraud in arizona,
-the debacle in new york,
-registration purges,
-countless reports of disenfranchisement,
-illegal actions at polling places in philadelphia,
-bought out superdelegates,
-false reports of bernie dropping out through mail & phone banking
-hillary funneling campaign money through state parties to exceed the allowed amount of contributions x130
-not to mention the ridiculous facebook group child pornography shit

he's still only down by 200 delegates, and has been closing the gap since early March

plus, cruz just dropped out which helps sanders even more


so....

we're fine
i hate hillary alot. i believe she is a criminal. i believe she should be indicted and thrown in prison.

but all that aside she is trouncing sanders bro. didnt he switch his campaign to basically try and shift democratic thinking since him getting the nomination is basically impossible? like, he ain't gonna be president so at least he can try and use his movement to get the party to be more radical towards his ideaology?

the super delegates ain't shifting to bernie. what does she need? like 100 more delegates basically to get to the 2300 something?

i havent been following the democratic side much so maybe i'm completely wrong. but just naming all that shit doesn't change what has happened lol. whats the child porn thing?

[Ghost1]

Politics is WWE for adults

Fuck this shit

An fuck u uh oh.

[uh-oh]

HEY FUCK YOU

WHAT ARE YOU A CHILD

BOOM GOT EM

GO POST A WRESTLING REACTION GIF NERD

[Ghost1]

https://media4.giphy.com/media/10UVoQDz0bzkEE/200w_d.gif

[uh-oh]

https://media.giphy.com/media/3oEduGEXmDkqqRvS6s/giphy.gif

[oats]

This is why I don't dive into political conversations

Everyone is an expert to their bias

But all I'm gonna say is if you're speaking on yourself you'd be in the political world if you were that involved and knowledgeable but you sell software on commission so I'll take it that degree is just kinnnddd of relevant or a throw away social studies dealio

uh-oh this is what I was referencing. I actually do appreciate your honesty on political matters, even though I don't agree with them lol.

[Certain]

why do you think this?

The bulk of the party's brass hating its presidential nominee is a good place to start. As a whole, though, the Tea Party and outrage factions have very different values from the Religious Right that carried George W. Bush. The Religious Right is shrinking, but it's still important.

[Aero]

At the end of the day you all will still be eating Fritos & jagging yourselves to sleep no matter who wins, nothing changes. If you guys want to affect change then be a person of value.

[Batty]

http://media.tumblr.com/857948e6ef77f943342c1a4ea876efa5/tumblr_inline_mfobynMUaY1qe5z9i.gif


It's not politics, it's fanboyism.

The Republican party is full of RINOs.

(Republicans in name only)


You can't even try to take any of this shit seriously.

Millennials are idiots, agreed, but also old folks are fucking dumb too for buying into the propaganda, especially when it comes to Trump...

MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN...

TAKE THINGS BACK TO THE REAGAN DAYS...

Ronald Reagan was saying TEAR DOWN THAT WALL and Trump is saying BUILD THAT WALL lolololololol


Hilary Clinton is a cunt.

[veritas]

http://giphy.com/gifs/breakdancing-vince-7WsfN5MyWrXoY

[~RustyGunZ~]

Knucklehead I worked for a republican governor and a democratic representative for several years, decided I don't want to work in politics for numerous reasons. what someone does for a living has no bearing on other areas of knowledge. people here aren't recording artists or professional MCs, and they know a ton about hip hop. don't make stupid arguments; your first one (everyone is an expert of their own biases) was actually a good one.


And now that you're not I'd imagine you're no more privy to CURRENT political trends than anyone with an Internet connection.

Everything changes every year. Science, pop culture, politics.. if you're not involved directly now than your pipeline is the same as car mechanic uh oh

But honestly I respect your opinion because you are always respectful of people as much as you can be and aren't an elitist about every opinion you have.

I stick by my statement in regards to Diode. No way he was ever involved with more than volunteering.

[Diode]

This is why I don't dive into political conversations

Everyone is an expert to their bias

But all I'm gonna say is if you're speaking on yourself you'd be in the political world if you were that involved and knowledgeable but you sell software on commission so I'll take it that degree is just kinnnddd of relevant or a throw away social studies dealio

no, shitbird, the tenure track to professorship in the united states is comoletely fucked and untenable if you want to live in something other than a shoebox for the next 30 years. i sought to find financial security before returning back to academia.

ask stupid questions, win stupid prizes.

[Diode]

oh, the elitist argument. i love that one.

me and my fancy book-learnin, what do i know?

[Diode]

also, batty, RINO was traditionally a derogatory term for left-leaning republicans to deride them for running under the R to win elections despite their less-conservative principles. it's funny that it now gets tacked onto neocons and teapots alike... and whatever you want to call the virulent, racist, homo/trans/everythingphobic old white people and flyover country yokels that have taken over the party these days.

fuck dick nixon and fuck ronnie raygun for setting the path and fuck the kochs, cheneys, adelsons, murdochs, et. al. of the world for letting it come to this.

[Diode]

AND A MOTHERFUCKING QUAD-POST TO POINT OUT KNUCK'S ARGUMENT IS BASICALLY "DIODE IS MEAN TO ME, SO HE'S A FRAUD, BUT YOU'RE NICE OATY, SO RESPEKK KNUCKLES"

grow up.

[Sharp]

I agree with you on the party lines to an extent Certain

But between Reagan Democrats and quasi tea party anti establishment Republicans not wanting to align with the base I really think this could be the time for a few independents to sneak into local and national representative bodies

Though now that you're making me think of it both would probably just be as Republicans and do what you said. Saw some poll that had millennial democratic socialists against higher taxes on themselves btw... Lol



When I started this post there was 1 diode post above me

Damn

Tbh knuck you gotta update your political arguments, it ain't college any more

[boof]

i hate hillary alot. i believe she is a criminal. i believe she should be indicted and thrown in prison.

but all that aside she is trouncing sanders bro. didnt he switch his campaign to basically try and shift democratic thinking since him getting the nomination is basically impossible? like, he ain't gonna be president so at least he can try and use his movement to get the party to be more radical towards his ideaology?

the super delegates ain't shifting to bernie. what does she need? like 100 more delegates basically to get to the 2300 something?

i havent been following the democratic side much so maybe i'm completely wrong. but just naming all that shit doesn't change what has happened lol. whats the child porn thing

Like I said he's only down 200 with 1000 still up for grabs. What he's doing is pushing hillary more to the left, not because him winning is impossible, but more so because as a Democrat, she was very centered if not right leaning in the beginning of her campaign, and he's genuinely all about progress by any means

Everyday a new super delegate says they will switch to Bernie at the convention.

And she has less than 1700 pledged delegates, so she still needs 600+

A bunch of fb trolls posted child pornography to 8 of the biggest sanders support groups, then reported it, and got the entire groups removed, the day before the most recent super Tuesday. Reportedly hillarys camp payed out $1 million total for them to do this

[boof]

The bulk of the party's brass hating its presidential nominee is a good place to start. As a whole, though, the Tea Party and outrage factions have very different values from the Religious Right that carried George W. Bush. The Religious Right is shrinking, but it's still important.

And what about the 10 million democratic voters ready to join a 3rd party if bernie loses because of the awful job the dnc has done in maintaining an equal opportunity primary?

[~RustyGunZ~]

God forbid someone says Diode is wrong at all

So easy to get people heated in political threads

Sharp nah I'm good. These aren't argument they're just observations. Like I said arguing about politics is pointless. TALKING about politics is worthwhile but no one here is trying to have an intelligent conversation unless it aligns with their views. BE DAMNED IF YOU THINK OTHERWISE!!

Fuck this country

Diode fucking gone @ book learnin. Why don't YOU grow up you fucking nitwit cry baby. I ain't neva read no booksises at my Ivy league university. Sry smart man shittt..

[Diode]

so redirect and ad hom rather than refute point.

you called in the elitist nonsense, genius.

[~RustyGunZ~]

What do you want me to say? You literally just whined.. I'm not sure how I respond to that intelligently?

Say something of substance and I'll respond to it. Tell me how what I originally said was so terrible.

[Diode]

.. i already did. you're debating at a Trump level right now. you're a perfect fit. there needs to be a word for "feigning ignorance but you actually are ignorant" - i bet the germanic languages have one.


on to the next thread.

[~RustyGunZ~]

Lmao quote what you consider you responding to it intelligently

Might have skimmed past it

[Diode]

(in which a logical person refuses to engage a moron and the moron declares victory)

[~RustyGunZ~]

AND A MOTHERFUCKING QUAD-POST TO POINT OUT KNUCK'S ARGUMENT IS BASICALLY "DIODE IS MEAN TO ME, SO HE'S A FRAUD, BUT YOU'RE NICE OATY, SO RESPEKK KNUCKLES"

grow up.

He wants to share his views without doing shit like this, so yeah it's more approachable. Your wife must love when you're gone on business.

no, shitbird, the tenure track to professorship in the united states is comoletely fucked and untenable if you want to live in something other than a shoebox for the next 30 years. i sought to find financial security before returning back to academia.

ask stupid questions, win stupid prizes.

Before I respond to this, what is your political alignment? Who are you supporting in this race and why?

[Sharp]

I mean like your underlying reasoning

I totally agree that this online argument won't get shit done but I'm still tryna figure out what exactly you believe and why in a non-judgmental way

As of now I'm seeing Libertarian and apparently not socialist? But calling socialism fairy tales doesn't really do much for a discussion bro

[uh-oh]

Like I said he's only down 200 with 1000 still up for grabs. What he's doing is pushing hillary more to the left, not because him winning is impossible, but more so because as a Democrat, she was very centered if not right leaning in the beginning of her campaign, and he's genuinely all about progress by any means

Everyday a new super delegate says they will switch to Bernie at the convention.

And she has less than 1700 pledged delegates, so she still needs 600+

A bunch of fb trolls posted child pornography to 8 of the biggest sanders support groups, then reported it, and got the entire groups removed, the day before the most recent super Tuesday. Reportedly hillarys camp payed out $1 million total for them to do this

Oh word to the fb thing. Its shady but i doubt theyll prove anything. Same with all the other shit. I mean george bush stole the actual election in florida, not just a party nominee, so thinking theyll pin her for any of that is nonsense. Sad to say but true. I mean she is literally red handed admittedly guilty of a felony and no one cares as is.

Everything im reading says she has 2200 delegates and bernie has 1400 also

[CBA]

what the fuck are you guys talking about

hillary can't win the nomination unless she wins 80% of the rest of the votes, which is impossible since cali is split right now

it's going to be a contested convention in philly, that's basically a guarentee at this point, and if bernie wins as big in cali as momentum seems to show, he might go in neck and neck with pledged delegates

hillary is being exposed for a multitude of illegal action more and more each day, and can literally be indicted by the fbi at any turn, the only thing keeping her in this position of seeming to have the nomination locked up is the constant biased, paid for coverage all over television

still, after
-admitted fraud in arizona,
-the debacle in new york,
-registration purges,
-countless reports of disenfranchisement,
-illegal actions at polling places in philadelphia,
-bought out superdelegates,
-false reports of bernie dropping out through mail & phone banking
-hillary funneling campaign money through state parties to exceed the allowed amount of contributions x130
-not to mention the ridiculous facebook group child pornography shit

he's still only down by 200 delegates, and has been closing the gap since early March

plus, cruz just dropped out which helps sanders even more


so....

we're fine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHS-K7OuLAc

[boof]

Oh word to the fb thing. Its shady but i doubt theyll prove anything. Same with all the other shit. I mean george bush stole the actual election in florida, not just a party nominee, so thinking theyll pin her for any of that is nonsense. Sad to say but true. I mean she is literally red handed admittedly guilty of a felony and no one cares as is.

Everything im reading says she has 2200 delegates and bernie has 1400 also

Super delegates don't vote until July

[veritas]

The ego is strong itt.

Anyone who can't see that modern American politics is a work is a fool.

Bring on ww3.

[CBA]

Super delegates don't vote until July

They've already overwhelming pledged their votes to Hillary though and when you factor in their support, Hillary is demolishing Sanders. Of course they can change their vote but there is absolutely no reason to expect them to, considering Hillary is already in the lead with regular delegates. Bear in mind that this is the exact same strategy Obama used to defeat Hillary 8 years ago, I hate being the bringer of bad news but Sanders is already done and this is why the media (even liberal media) reports it this way.

At this point Sanders staying in the race does nothing but help Trump. Besides the obvious way, in that Sanders is attacking Hillary, but isn't going to win the nomination, the idea is that Hillary has to "go more left" for the Sanders voters - who are going to vote for Hillary already. If she actually goes more left, she risks losing voters that are in the middle. And considering she is saying things like she wants a cabinet that's at least 50% female now, Sanders has the potential to do a lot of damage here.

[boof]

They've already overwhelming pledged their votes to Hillary though and when you factor in their support, Hillary is demolishing Sanders. Of course they can change their vote but there is absolutely no reason to expect them to, considering Hillary is already in the lead with regular delegates. Bear in mind that this is the exact same strategy Obama used to defeat Hillary 8 years ago, I hate being the bringer of bad news but Sanders is already done and this is why the media (even liberal media) reports it this way.

At this point Sanders staying in the race does nothing but help Trump. Besides the obvious way, in that Sanders is attacking Hillary, but isn't going to win the nomination, the idea is that Hillary has to "go more left" for the Sanders voters - who are going to vote for Hillary already. If she actually goes more left, she risks losing voters that are in the middle. And considering she is saying things like she wants a cabinet that's at least 50% female now, Sanders has the potential to do a lot of damage here.


? i'm not sure what your point is, as you said, they switched to obama in july as well, and bernie is ahead of the pace obama was as far as pledged delegates, and states won. so them switching is still very possible. i really could care less what the media has to say, liberal or not, the majority of reports haven't been trustworthy at any point in this race, and mostly patronizing towards the entire sanders following.

sanders supporters aren't going to vote for hillary, and if he doesn't win the nomination, with the understanding that he has had 65-70% of the independent vote, which is 48% of eligible voters in america, and he has won every open primary, there's no reason to not write him in in november as well.

[CBA]

? i'm not sure what your point is, as you said, they switched to obama in july as well, and bernie is ahead of the pace obama was as far as pledged delegates, and states won. so them switching is still very possible. i really could care less what the media has to say, liberal or not, the majority of reports haven't been trustworthy at any point in this race, and mostly patronizing towards the entire sanders following.

sanders supporters aren't going to vote for hillary, and if he doesn't win the nomination, with the understanding that he has had 65-70% of the independent vote, which is 48% of eligible voters in america, and he has won every open primary, there's no reason to not write him in in november as well.

Again, the chances of super delegates switching to the Bern are unlikely. Besides winning with the count of regular delegates and already pledging they will vote for her, the odds of them going from Hillary, a life long member of the democrat party, to Bernie, a life long independent who just recently started running under their name, is highly unlikely. I guess anything is possible, but Sanders would have better luck hoping she gets indicted for that e-mail scandal.

[Certain]

And what about the 10 million democratic voters ready to join a 3rd party if bernie loses because of the awful job the dnc has done in maintaining an equal opportunity primary?

Most of them aren't actually voters.

Any divide or shift in the parties has to come from the top, not the people. We've seen this through 230 years of this two-party system.

[veritas]

dear socialists: who is going to pay for it?

[boof]

Most of them aren't actually voters.

Any divide or shift in the parties has to come from the top, not the people. We've seen this through 230 years of this two-party system.

that number was me estimating the final tally of votes he receives, he's at 8something now

but word
veritas pay for what?

[veritas]

that number was me estimating the final tally of votes he receives, he's at 8something now

but word
veritas pay for what?


Free schooling, Free healthcare, free anything that the socialists promise, Boof

[boof]

https://berniesanders.com/issues/how-bernie-pays-for-his-proposals/

[veritas]

Well....that looks good on paper. In response to hurting the rich and corporate profits...how do you think they will respond?

[Certain]

that number was me estimating the final tally of votes he receives, he's at 8something now

but word
veritas pay for what?

My point was that a huge chunk of Bernie Sanders' support has come from people who have not regularly voted in the past. The Barack Obama voting base heavily favors Hillary Clinton.

[boof]

veritas if we're referring to the corporations already stashing all of their tax money abroad, we're obviously not going to lose money by enforcing stricter tax policies. they can either pack up and move their company to tax havens like puerto rico or ireland or wherever, like pfizer is doing, which means they'll no longer be robbing the middle class, or they can pay their fair share, and if the ladder rings true, then the people in charge of those companies can either cut jobs or cut their own ridiculous wages. now if this trend started by a handful of companies to lower ceo wages and raise bottom level employee wages continues, then things can move upwards. but if these tax dodgers all decide to leave then it's whatever. they're awful companies anyways, and we can continue to let renewable energy companies and the proposed infrastructure jobs replace any loss the economy or workforce takes.

[boof]

My point was that a huge chunk of Bernie Sanders' support has come from people who have not regularly voted in the past. The Barack Obama voting base heavily favors Hillary Clinton.

you think the dnc is cool with losing millions of brand new democrats to a 3rd party that could legitimately disrupt their shot in the general election ?

[veritas]

veritas if we're referring to the corporations already stashing all of their tax money abroad, we're obviously not going to lose money by enforcing stricter tax policies. they can either pack up and move their company to tax havens like puerto rico or ireland or wherever, like pfizer is doing, which means they'll no longer be robbing the middle class, or they can pay their fair share, and if the ladder rings true, then the people in charge of those companies can either cut jobs or cut their own ridiculous wages. now if this trend started by a handful of companies to lower ceo wages and raise bottom level employee wages continues, then things can move upwards. but if these tax dodgers all decide to leave then it's whatever. they're awful companies anyways, and we can continue to let renewable energy companies and the proposed infrastructure jobs replace any loss the economy or workforce takes.


so, like, you don't think they would just increase their prices to still make the same (or more!) profit?

Also...are we all equal?

[~RustyGunZ~]

Taxation is theft

I'll try to cover some things today if I get a chance Sharp

Edit: but yes I'm a libertarian. Extreme one. Borderline anarchist. In an ideal world I'd be a left libertarian but people are unfortunately awful for the most part. It's why I believe socialism and communism are fairytales

[Certain]

you think the dnc is cool with losing millions of brand new democrats to a 3rd party that could legitimately disrupt their shot in the general election ?

I never said "cool with." The Democrats have major issues to answer. They simply are in a better position than the Republicans because they actually seem to want to admit their flaws. There's a reason Hillary Clinton has very obviously shifted left during this primary.

[boof]

so, like, you don't think they would just increase their prices to still make the same (or more!) profit?

Also...are we all equal?

this seriously depends on what companies you're talking about

if it's pharmaceutical, we're trying to regulate those prices anyways since we already pay 50x more than those same companies charge in other countries.

but regardless if they can legally make their profit back then there's nothing wrong with that, we're just trying to get the tax money that they owe to put towards things that are beneficial to the majority of the country.

bernie wants to:

-end a rule allowing American corporations to defer paying federal income taxes on profits of offshore subsidiaries.

-prevent corporations from avoiding U.S. taxes by claiming to be a foreign company through the establishment of a post office box in a tax-haven country

-eliminate tax breaks for big oil, gas, and coal companies.
stop American companies from avoiding U.S. taxes through corporate inversions.

-close loopholes that allow U.S. corporations to artificially inflate or accelerate foreign tax credits

implementing these effectively saves $100 billion a year, minimum



are we all equal? what are you trying to bait me into, ask what you mean

[~RustyGunZ~]

And how is he going to accomplish that boof?

If he gets into office (despite being the best option, he won't ) the most he is going to do is pass maybeeee one bill that kind of somewhat helps for a month before those corporations find a new way to hide their money

[veritas]

this seriously depends on what companies you're talking about

if it's pharmaceutical, we're trying to regulate those prices anyways since we already pay 50x more than those same companies charge in other countries.

but regardless if they can legally make their profit back then there's nothing wrong with that, we're just trying to get the tax money that they owe to put towards things that are beneficial to the majority of the country.

bernie wants to:

-end a rule allowing American corporations to defer paying federal income taxes on profits of offshore subsidiaries.

-prevent corporations from avoiding U.S. taxes by claiming to be a foreign company through the establishment of a post office box in a tax-haven country

-eliminate tax breaks for big oil, gas, and coal companies.
stop American companies from avoiding U.S. taxes through corporate inversions.

-close loopholes that allow U.S. corporations to artificially inflate or accelerate foreign tax credits

implementing these effectively saves $100 billion a year, minimum



are we all equal? what are you trying to bait me into, ask what you mean

is it possible that just one of these "corporations" either directly or indirectly funded the Bern's campaign? Also...if you were a corporation and you needed to legally make more profit, what would you do?

Forget what I said about the equal thing. But that in the back of your mind. Depending on how indoctrinated you are to the agenda we may not make it that far.

[boof]

Knucklehead if you're referring to congress not letting him get these things done, we know that we have to vote new members of congress in. we know 88% of congress is up for re-election, and we know if we show up and vote like we are for bernie, we can give him the supporting cast he needs, hopefully. new loopholes will not be easy to find with a guy this passionate about this specific issue. he's been talking about it on the floor of congressional meetings for 25 years. given the chance to change it, i know he'll fight tooth & nail, and that's all i can ask in a president.
veritas one of these corporations that he's shone the spotlight on for dodging taxes? funding his campaign? no. go look at his donors. the only companies involved that have been known to dodge taxes is apple and amazon, but the only donations came from individuals, not their PAC, and both of those companies have agreed to pay their taxes as of october 15'

& to the second question, corporations aren't people. but obviously there's only three ways, make a cheaper product, raise your prices, or cut jobs.

[uh-oh]

yea booth i enjoy your VIGOR and hopefullness, its whats kept bernie going this long, i just don't see it happening.

not the him getting stuff done thing, because none of them are gonna get a 10th of what they want done, done, but him coming anywhere near the presidency

also i completely disagree with everything you are with in regards to bernie

i think closing loopholes and shit is good, but not raising taxes and everything else on corporations. i like having a job.

i'm part of the uneducated white male workforce which is what is under fire and affected by all these things. i'm one of the lucky ones who has a solid steady job. but countless others dont. and closing down the only corporations that give us jobs and thinking we'll just go into infrastructure and renewable shit is nonsense. espescially when you consider the fact most of that will be union, its next to impossible to get into unions unless you know people, then you gotta pay exorbitant dues for the right to work etc, and the rest are city/government related jobs which are the death of america

we need less government booth. more freedom.

so like i said im with closing loopholes, but that in itself will be disasterous enough on employers creating jobs.

and im sure diode or one of you self proclaimed economists will come in and state how making it easy on corporations and business owners doesnt actually help create jobs but just shut up.

i'm in the rust belt. i've watched the jobs leave. ive spent the years searching for a job with nothing but subway and mcdonalds there to give you something when 40 years ago i couldve got into timken steel, republic steel, etc. good paying jobs for the uneducated.

thats disappeared because its impossible for a corporation to make money so they have to move over seas.

i don't know the answer but lets just chill on taxing and creating more ways for the government to misuse that tax money. lets just cut government spending maybe? and let the free market do what it does.

[veritas]

Knucklehead if you're referring to congress not letting him get these things done, we know that we have to vote new members of congress in. we know 88% of congress is up for re-election, and we know if we show up and vote like we are for bernie, we can give him the supporting cast he needs, hopefully. new loopholes will not be easy to find with a guy this passionate about this specific issue. he's been talking about it on the floor of congressional meetings for 25 years. given the chance to change it, i know he'll fight tooth & nail, and that's all i can ask in a president.
veritas one of these corporations that he's shone the spotlight on for dodging taxes? funding his campaign? no. go look at his donors. the only companies involved that have been known to dodge taxes is apple and amazon, but the only donations came from individuals, not their PAC, and both of those companies have agreed to pay their taxes as of october 15'

& to the second question, corporations aren't people. but obviously there's only three ways, make a cheaper product, raise your prices, or cut jobs.


So...those individuals have NO interest in preserving the status quo? doth they wish to cut off their noses to spite their face?

Nextly: Corporations are made up of people, and are considered a person in the eyes of the legal system, friend. which leads to my grand point: IF Bernie does do these things which harm the corporations profits (whether righteously earned or not) and they do one of those 3 things to keep their profits.....does that not end up hurting the very people he said he is trying to help?


Boof, Socialism is the economic arm of communism...and I hate to sound cliche, but it only looks good on paper. That is why cubans escape cuba to come to america, and not vice versa.

can we agree on this point?

[Diode]

lol @ talking about fairytales and still spouting the same old tired trickle down economics and reagan era corporate welfare plans

i haven't caught up on the rest of this thread but this is drunken uncle facebook thread level shenanigans.

[Diode]

So...those individuals have NO interest in preserving the status quo? doth they wish to cut off their noses to spite their face?

Nextly: Corporations are made up of people, and are considered a person in the eyes of the legal system, friend. which leads to my grand point: IF Bernie does do these things which harm the corporations profits (whether righteously earned or not) and they do one of those 3 things to keep their profits.....does that not end up hurting the very people he said he is trying to help?


Boof, Socialism is the economic arm of communism...and I hate to sound cliche, but it only looks good on paper. That is why cubans escape cuba to come to america, and not vice versa.

can we agree on this point?

what a gross misunderstanding of what the (still awful, ridiculous) citizens united ruling means. i can't even.

[NYCSPITZ]

LOL diode thinks he's smart hahaha lmaoooo

Any Jackass with an annoying loud demeanor can do PHONE SALES guess that doesn't mean they know jack shit LOLOL

[veritas]

what a gross misunderstanding of what the (still awful, ridiculous) citizens united ruling means. i can't even.


You have an agenda. So you are blind to the truth and facts and common sense.

http://maverickvoice.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Thatcher-Socialism.jpg

[Diode]

LOL diode thinks he's smart hahaha lmaoooo

Any Jackass with an annoying loud demeanor can do PHONE SALES guess that doesn't mean they know jack shit LOLOL

i think you are confusing me with destro.

[NYCSPITZ]

yeah probably. Nevermind then.

[Diode]

You have an agenda. So you are blind to the truth and facts and common sense.

http://maverickvoice.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Thatcher-Socialism.jpg

her death was a top 5 celebration all time up there with nancy.

what a vapid cunt. ask anyone from england.

also, i'll just leave this here. the america you want to "make great again" had a much higher effective corporate tax rate.

http://blogs-images.forbes.com/mikepatton/files/2015/10/US-Individual-and-Corp-Income-Tax-Receipts-as-a-percent-of-total-receipts-from-1934-1200x606.jpg

[Diode]

here's another fun one from when ronnie raygun came along.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8c/Historical_Marginal_Tax_Rate_for_Highest_and_Lowes t_Income_Earners.jpg

hmmm. what's wrong with this chart?

[veritas]

lol....dead at that graph. allow that to factor in what the taxes are actually going to. etc etc etc

[Diode]

hint: pay attention to the date ranges. maybe think about what happened that led to the great depression. and the bush recession.

hmmm.

[veritas]

here's another fun one from when ronnie raygun came along.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8c/Historical_Marginal_Tax_Rate_for_Highest_and_Lowes t_Income_Earners.jpg

hmmm. what's wrong with this chart?


Common sense.

[veritas]

hint: pay attention to the date ranges. maybe think about what happened that led to the great depression. and the bush recession.

hmmm.

the democrats caused the housing bubble to burst bro. just saying.

[Diode]

Common sense.

yes, common sense dictates that giving robber barons whatever they want leads to massive economic casualties. they are not reinvesting back into the workforce - and in modern times - back into america, period.

there is no incentive in a global economy. take, take, take, take.

[Diode]

the democrats caused the housing bubble to burst bro. just saying.

a) this is irrelevant to the corporate tax discussion you were trying to have
b) bush-era legislation led to the housing bubble burst, bro. repeal of glass-steagall was a republican initiative. clinton fucked up by accepting it as part of GLBA, but that was reaganomics all the way.

[Diode]

if you don't believe me re: point b, learn some things!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass%E2%80%93Steagall:_Aftermath_of_repeal

[veritas]

a) this is irrelevant to the corporate tax discussion you were trying to have
b) bush-era legislation led to the housing bubble burst, bro. repeal of glass-steagall was a republican initiative. clinton fucked up by accepting it as part of GLBA, but that was reaganomics all the way.

Wrong. The republicans (which I am not one btw) tried to audit and regulate freddie mae and fannie mac. The democrats vehemently opposed them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnSp4qEXNM

This is just the tip of the iceburg. This is TOTALLY relevent because you have been indoctrinated by the liberal agenda and are essentially unable to wear the "they live" glasses.

sux 2 be you.

[veritas]

common sense Diode:


Should you and Uh-oh be given the same amount>? are your lives equal?

better yet, should you have to continue to work as you do, and be forced to give a larger percentage then Uh-oh?

Should you have to pay so that Uh-Oh can stop being a dirt person because it is not fair that he is one?

[veritas]

yes, common sense dictates that giving robber barons whatever they want leads to massive economic casualties. they are not reinvesting back into the workforce - and in modern times - back into america, period.

there is no incentive in a global economy. take, take, take, take.



COMMON SENSE: THE POLITICS YOU SO STRONGLY SUPPORT ARE JUST ANOTHER SIDE OF THE COIN WHO SOLD OUT LONG AGO TO THESE BARONS. WE ARE AT THEIR MERCY. YOU HAD A HEEL TURN ALONG TIME AGO AND JUST CAN'T SEE IT.

COMMON SENSE: IF YOU WANT TO FIX THE ECONOMY...WELL....HAS A POOR PERSON EVER PAID YOU TO WORK FOR THEM?

EDIT: I AM NOT SAYING I AM FOR THE ROBBER BARONS, i JUST KNOW THAT KEEPING THEM HAPPY WILL MAKE THINGS BETTER FOR MOST OF US IN THE MIDDLE CLASS (MAYBE A FEW SCRAPS), INSTEAD OF PUNISHING THEM AND HINDERING THEM...WHICH WILL ONLY HURT ALL OF US.

fair?

[Diode]

Wrong. The republicans (which I am not one btw) tried to audit and regulate freddie mae and fannie mac. The democrats vehemently opposed them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnSp4qEXNM

This is just the tip of the iceburg. This is TOTALLY relevent because you have been indoctrinated by the liberal agenda and are essentially unable to wear the "they live" glasses.

sux 2 be you.

lmao

opens video

alex jones level nonsense

closes video

repeal of glass-steagall leading to the crisis is undisputed fact. sorry breh.

[Diode]

common sense Diode:


Should you and Uh-oh be given the same amount>? are your lives equal?

better yet, should you have to continue to work as you do, and be forced to give a larger percentage then Uh-oh?

Should you have to pay so that Uh-Oh can stop being a dirt person because it is not fair that he is one?

i have no issue paying in a greater percentage as income increases. i will gladly pay an extra $100-200 a month so several families can have access to healthcare. ideally, everyone would be so like-minded, especially the top earners you so covet to whom $1000+/month is pocket change.

the greater good is a thing. sorry you're so myopic.

[Batty]

As long as the discussion remains mostly RIGHT WING v LEFT WING, it's gonna be a race on treadmills.

It's always a system of breaking one guys dick so another guy can fuck.


black people were at a disadvantage in the workplace, now they have an advantage.

They had an orientation class at my work the other day and there were 40 new black hires and 1 new white dude.

They are also scared to fire a few of the black dudes who smoke weed and sleep on the job.

[Diode]

COMMON SENSE: THE POLITICS YOU SO STRONGLY SUPPORT ARE JUST ANOTHER SIDE OF THE COIN WHO SOLD OUT LONG AGO TO THESE BARONS. WE ARE AT THEIR MERCY. YOU HAD A HEEL TURN ALONG TIME AGO AND JUST CAN'T SEE IT.

COMMON SENSE: IF YOU WANT TO FIX THE ECONOMY...WELL....HAS A POOR PERSON EVER PAID YOU TO WORK FOR THEM?

EDIT: I AM NOT SAYING I AM FOR THE ROBBER BARONS, i JUST KNOW THAT KEEPING THEM HAPPY WILL MAKE THINGS BETTER FOR MOST OF US IN THE MIDDLE CLASS (MAYBE A FEW SCRAPS), INSTEAD OF PUNISHING THEM AND HINDERING THEM...WHICH WILL ONLY HURT ALL OF US.

fair?

NO IN CAPITAL LETTERS YOU ARE WRONG BECAUSE KEEPING THEM HAPPY HAS RESULTED IN WANTON DESTRUCTION OF ALL CLASSES BELOW THEM FOR A LONG TIME NOW THANKS

[Diode]

As long as the discussion remains mostly RIGHT WING v LEFT WING, it's gonna be a race on treadmills.

It's always a system of breaking one guys dick so another guy can fuck.


black people were at a disadvantage in the workplace, now they have an advantage.

They had an orientation class at my work the other day and there were 40 new black hires and 1 new white dude.

They are also scared to fire a few of the black dudes who smoke weed and sleep on the job.

personal anecdotes are not data.

if you think minorities have an advantage in hiring in america... wow, batty. come on man. you're smarter than appealing to emotion.

[Batty]

personal anecdotes are not data.

if you think minorities have an advantage in hiring in america... wow, batty. come on man. you're smarter than appealing to emotion.


Well, tbh Diode, I'm more inclined to trust what I see firsthand over some skewed stats from some biased source. I'm not one to think what I "see personally" is the same across the board, but yo, I think locally before globally because what is local effects me the most.

surely, you can follow that type of logic.

But yeah, there's no NAACP for white people and there are no attorneys/internet doctors/reverends running in to defend disgruntled/fired/discriminated against white people.

again, this is easy to follow logic.

I gotta go tho, headed to the WHITE LIVES MATTER rally


picking up my hood and robe from dry cleaners lololololollolololol

[NYCSPITZ]

the democrats caused the housing bubble to burst bro. just saying.

I thought it was because Wall St. re-packaged sub-prime mortgage bonds into a trillion different tranches all the way from AAA to CCC. I thought it was because Moodys and S&P incorrectly rated these bonds which were all about to default because dudes were giving loans to Mexican strawberry pickers earning 10k a year and giving them AAA ratings to buy million dollar homes. I thought it was because The young Wall St. dudes doling out these mortgages didn't give a fuck bc they got mad bread to close these deals. I thought it was because throughout it all only a tiny group of people ever bothered to look into the filings, visit the agencies, talk to everyone involved and understand that when these mortgages defaulted the housing market would crash. Then they shorted the shit out of it sub primes. CRAZY shit yo you're equating Wall st to Democrats. You're a faggot. Don't re-quote this or reply back to me you fucking peasant just understand ur fucking retarded.

[veritas]

lmao

opens video

alex jones level nonsense

closes video

repeal of glass-steagall leading to the crisis is undisputed fact. sorry breh.



LOLZ. VIDEO SHOWS IMAGINARY ACTORS. THUS THIS NEVER HAPPENED.

send uh oh 2000 dollars a month. I will believe yout sincerity once I see it

I promise that you wont.

Would you pay for Strikta?

[uh-oh]

I dont want diodes money. I want him to have it. Not me. And not the government.

But im a dreamer

[boof]

and closing down the only corporations that give us jobs and thinking we'll just go into infrastructure and renewable shit is nonsense. espescially when you consider the fact most of that will be union, its next to impossible to get into unions unless you know people, then you gotta pay exorbitant dues for the right to work etc, and the rest are city/government related jobs which are the death of america

we need less government booth. more freedom.

so like i said im with closing loopholes, but that in itself will be disasterous enough on employers creating jobs.

and im sure diode or one of you self proclaimed economists will come in and state how making it easy on corporations and business owners doesnt actually help create jobs but just shut up.

i'm in the rust belt. i've watched the jobs leave. ive spent the years searching for a job with nothing but subway and mcdonalds there to give you something when 40 years ago i couldve got into timken steel, republic steel, etc. good paying jobs for the uneducated.

thats disappeared because its impossible for a corporation to make money so they have to move over seas.

1, nobody is closing down corporations. if a corporation wants to stash 60 billion dollars/year of tax money, (of the 300+ that it makes/year) overseas when all of that money came from patrons of the country that enabled it to make that much in the first place, then it doesn't deserve to be an american corporation. do not confuse "its impossible for a corporation to make money so they have to move over seas" with "ceo's would rather make $3,000/hr by outsourcing as opposed to $1,000/hr by paying fair wages"

2, solar jobs are not union nor are they city/government jobs. solar is the biggest growing industry and it's not even a little tough to get a job in that market.

3, i agree that we need less government, but just because there's a bunch of bad government policies does not mean we shouldn't add good government policies and try getting rid of the bullshit. its the type of governing that matters.

4, those steel jobs aren't there because of disastrous trade agreements. not because those companies were being taxed too high or couldn't make enough profit.

[boof]

But yeah, there's no NAACP for white people and there are no attorneys/internet doctors/reverends running in to defend disgruntled/fired/discriminated against white people.

holy shit stop. where the fuck are you from that bred this type of ignorance?

[Batty]

holy shit stop. where the fuck are you from that bred this type of ignorance?

lolololololololololololololol


"ignorance"?

Ummmm ok, I will play along.


Pls list the names of each of those groups that will come in and defend white people.

I made a statement, not an opinion. I never said whether that it was wrong or right, simply that it happens like that.

BUT YEAH... what type of issues do you see happen where Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton comes in? and how much media coverage does it generate?

[~RustyGunZ~]

i have no issue paying in a greater percentage as income increases. i will gladly pay an extra $100-200 a month so several families can have access to healthcare. ideally, everyone would be so like-minded, especially the top earners you so covet to whom $1000+/month is pocket change.

the greater good is a thing. sorry you're so myopic.

How is it the greater good? Teaching everyone you don't have to work hard to succeed lmao?

So what incentive is there to support yourself? Do you really think enough people won't be able to get around any new tax law that suddenly everyone can have health insurance? Are you that naive?

http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/moneybox/2015/04/15/how_welfare_recipients_spend_their_money_it_s_not_ steak_and_seafood/welfare_recips_2.png.CROP.promovar-mediumlarge.png

I don't even spend that much on food and entertainment a week.

If they gave out less assistance and people were JUST living if they didn't want to work themselves into a better life we could feed and shelter the homeless and support even more people.

And fuck that even. Fuck Internet statistics and graphs and bullshit reporting by bias channels. How are you going to say Batty using his own experiences to base his opinions is idiotic? You seriously trust the fucking Internet over REAL experiences? You're that blinded by your ego and hopes of what society should be that you take information you have 0 evidence can be backed up over what you see in the real world? You're going to take the word of "research" that under 1% of government assistance is used fraudulently as fact that YES must be true they said so instead of thinking maybeeee they just fucking suck at catching it? You're going to witness well over 25% of people on food stamps actually need them but take those stats from one areas hand full of people as truth?

Fuck you man

[boof]

So...those individuals have NO interest in preserving the status quo? doth they wish to cut off their noses to spite their face?

Nextly: Corporations are made up of people, and are considered a person in the eyes of the legal system, friend. which leads to my grand point: IF Bernie does do these things which harm the corporations profits (whether righteously earned or not) and they do one of those 3 things to keep their profits.....does that not end up hurting the very people he said he is trying to help?


Boof, Socialism is the economic arm of communism...and I hate to sound cliche, but it only looks good on paper. That is why cubans escape cuba to come to america, and not vice versa.

can we agree on this point?

helping the members of your country in less fortunate situations is not cutting off your nose. there are more wealthy people that understand the awful repercussions of our free market than you realize.

i know corporations are people in the eyes of the legal system, friend. that doesn't mean it's accurate. as a matter of fact, it's fucking ridiculous, and that is only the law because of the ongoing corruption of legislation. i would think you know that. to answer your question, no. if a corporation makes 100 billion a year, and now actually pays its 35 billion in taxes instead of hoarding it, the country gets 35 billion. if the company in turn legally increases its profits by 35 billion, we now get 35% of 135 billion which is 47 billion, and so forth. i doubt that corporations price inflation will cost america $47 billion, (again this depends on the corporation), and i doubt it will cost $47 billion worth of employment salaries if they need to cut some jobs. again, i'm not sure why people defend the corporation. if it can't make these profits in a legitimate way, it does not deserve to be a multibillion dollar company in america.

as far as countries like cuba or venezuela, socialism is a terrible thing when the government gets over involved and uses it to corrupt their country, keeping the money meant to be spent on socialist programs, etc. like how the capitalism in this country creates billions of dollars that all go to special interests that in turn go to the governement to keep special interests happy, leaving no benefit for the lower and middle class. democratic socialism is socialism to benefit the people, not the governement. america has a nice ribbon labeled 'free market' & 'the american dream' tied around the way they justify this corruption, and most people are blinded by that.

[boof]

lolololololololololololololol


"ignorance"?

Ummmm ok, I will play along.


Pls list the names of each of those groups that will come in and defend white people.

I made a statement, not an opinion. I never said whether that it was wrong or right, simply that it happens like that.

BUT YEAH... what type of issues do you see happen where Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton comes in? and how much media coverage does it generate?

there's no fucking need for groups like that to defend white people, there's not an opportunity that exists that we don't have a fair shot at. wtf is wrong with you?

[~RustyGunZ~]

as far as countries like cuba or venezuela, socialism is a terrible thing when the government gets over involved and uses it to corrupt their country, keeping the money meant to be spent on socialist programs, etc. like how the capitalism in this country creates billions of dollars that all go to special interests that in turn go to the governement to keep special interests happy, leaving no benefit for the lower and middle class. democratic socialism is socialism to benefit the people, not the governement. america has a nice ribbon labeled 'free market' & 'the american dream' tied around the way they justify this corruption, and most people are blinded by that.

This is not a free market

And how are we going to stop our government from abusing that new tax revenue like those countries?

[boof]

How is it the greater good? Teaching everyone you don't have to work hard to succeed lmao?

So what incentive is there to support yourself? Do you really think enough people won't be able to get around any new tax law that suddenly everyone can have health insurance? Are you that naive?

http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/moneybox/2015/04/15/how_welfare_recipients_spend_their_money_it_s_not_ steak_and_seafood/welfare_recips_2.png.CROP.promovar-mediumlarge.png

I don't even spend that much on food and entertainment a week.

If they gave out less assistance and people were JUST living if they didn't want to work themselves into a better life we could feed and shelter the homeless and support even more people.

And fuck that even. Fuck Internet statistics and graphs and bullshit reporting by bias channels. How are you going to say Batty using his own experiences to base his opinions is idiotic? You seriously trust the fucking Internet over REAL experiences? You're that blinded by your ego and hopes of what society should be that you take information you have 0 evidence can be backed up over what you see in the real world? You're going to take the word of "research" that under 1% of government assistance is used fraudulently as fact that YES must be true they said so instead of thinking maybeeee they just fucking suck at catching it? You're going to witness well over 25% of people on food stamps actually need them but take those stats from one areas hand full of people as truth?

Fuck you man


you're an idiot for assuming these people aren't working hard as if they want to be on food stamps forever. its embarrassing. but furthermore please read below before ever putting down our welfare program again.

if you make 50k a year

$36 of that contributes to the food stamp program.

$870 goes to corporate subsidies.
$1600 goes to offset corporate tax loopholes
$1231 goes to offset losses from corporate tax havens

please tell me you're not still mad about the money that goes to food stamps

if you are,

you're an idiot.

[~RustyGunZ~]

you're an idiot for assuming these people aren't working hard as if they want to be on food stamps forever. its embarrassing. but furthermore please read below before ever putting down our welfare program again.

if you make 50k a year

$36 of that goes to food stamps.

$870 goes to corporate subsidies.
$1600 goes to offset corporate tax loopholes
$1231 goes to offset losses from corporate tax havens

please tell me you're not still mad about the money that goes to food stamps

if you are,

you're an idiot.

So liberal so current. Typical response. Take one thing from what I said and pinpoint it as the only topic I brought up or that my one example is all I'm focused on. I'm not going to repeat myself for every other aspect of government assistance. Across the board they get too much.

I KNOW those people and none of them need as much money as they get for food stamps or housing

Where'd you get those Kool stats? They're very false.

[boof]

and to say you don't spend 124 dollars a week on food like that's so awful is fucking RETARDED. do you have a family? does 124 dollars a week really sound like that much money for a single mom and her 1 kid? or 2 kids? what the fuck? i spend 80/week on groceries just for myself and i'm fucking starving. you don't spend 5% of your income on entertainment? you think that's not justified? what the fuck?

[boof]

i got those stats from the tax foundation website. which is the most legitimate tax site i know of. and its ran by republicans.

how many of those people do you know? lmao 10? 20? where do you live? you think because you know a few people that get more they need that everyone gets more than they need? i know people that don't qualify because they make too much that need that shit. so how are you going to tell me people UNDER the threshold get TOO much?

and why the fuck aren't you mad about giving walmart and mcdonalds a thousand dollars a year? they're billion dollar corporations, doesn't that seem like TOO MUCH for someone that DOESNT NEED IT?

[Batty]

there's no fucking need for groups like that to defend white people, there's not an opportunity that exists that we don't have a fair shot at. wtf is wrong with you?

Now THAT is ignorance.

You don't think black people run businesses or something??? You don't think there are black owned businesses? You don't think black people can just decide to promote other black people over white people when they are the boss?

The definitions of words like DIVERSITY and MINORITY are completely misunderstood in today's society.

Diversity does not mean HIRE MORE BLACK PEOPLE. It means to have fairness in representing different groups of people. Minority means you are in lesser numbers than another group.

Do you think that there are not ANY cities in the U.S. were the white population is in the minority?


This isn't the 1800's nor is it the 1960's, so why do people still use dated logic in discussions right here in 2016?


LOOLOLOLOL @ white people have a fair shot at everything. When is the Caucasian version of Sanford and Son coming out? Who is the white version of Tavis Smiley on BET?


soooooooo leaned at millennial hipster logics.

[veritas]

helping the members of your country in less fortunate situations is not cutting off your nose. there are more wealthy people that understand the awful repercussions of our free market than you realize.

i know corporations are people in the eyes of the legal system, friend. that doesn't mean it's accurate. as a matter of fact, it's fucking ridiculous, and that is only the law because of the ongoing corruption of legislation. i would think you know that. to answer your question, no. if a corporation makes 100 billion a year, and now actually pays its 35 billion in taxes instead of hoarding it, the country gets 35 billion. if the company in turn legally increases its profits by 35 billion, we now get 35% of 135 billion which is 47 billion, and so forth. i doubt that corporations price inflation will cost america $47 billion, (again this depends on the corporation), and i doubt it will cost $47 billion worth of employment salaries if they need to cut some jobs. again, i'm not sure why people defend the corporation. if it can't make these profits in a legitimate way, it does not deserve to be a multibillion dollar company in america.

as far as countries like cuba or venezuela, socialism is a terrible thing when the government gets over involved and uses it to corrupt their country, keeping the money meant to be spent on socialist programs, etc. like how the capitalism in this country creates billions of dollars that all go to special interests that in turn go to the governement to keep special interests happy, leaving no benefit for the lower and middle class. democratic socialism is socialism to benefit the people, not the governement. america has a nice ribbon labeled 'free market' & 'the american dream' tied around the way they justify this corruption, and most people are blinded by that.

blinded in the same way that has you blinded to the fact that our government if turned socialist would become no different than cuba or venezuela lol?

fair?

[veritas]

and as always,

I said it before, I will say it again...

in today's world the agenda trumps truth.

[Diode]

in which i am disappointed to find out that batty is an unapologetic white rights clown

sigh.

[Diode]

blinded in the same way that has you blinded to the fact that our government if turned socialist would become no different than cuba or venezuela lol?

fair?

communism is not socialism lol? fair?

[Diode]

Now THAT is ignorance.

You don't think black people run businesses or something??? You don't think there are black owned businesses? You don't think black people can just decide to promote other black people over white people when they are the boss?

The definitions of words like DIVERSITY and MINORITY are completely misunderstood in today's society.

Diversity does not mean HIRE MORE BLACK PEOPLE. It means to have fairness in representing different groups of people. Minority means you are in lesser numbers than another group.

Do you think that there are not ANY cities in the U.S. were the white population is in the minority?


This isn't the 1800's nor is it the 1960's, so why do people still use dated logic in discussions right here in 2016?


LOOLOLOLOL @ white people have a fair shot at everything. When is the Caucasian version of Sanford and Son coming out? Who is the white version of Tavis Smiley on BET?


soooooooo leaned at millennial hipster logics.

must resist desire to redirect batty's logins to stormfront

why did you have to do this Q_Q

[veritas]

That response is typical. Silence those who don't swallow the Kool aid. That it cowardice diode.

[Diode]

That response is typical. Silence those who don't swallow the Kool aid. That it cowardice diode.

This is not a democracy <3 <3 <3

[boof]

bernie sanders seems to be the only elected federal official that want's democratic socialism, how would the governement turn into cuba? wouldn't the rest of the government still fight to keep capitalism? i just explained the difference between what happened in cuba and what the goal of bernie's proposals are, no? you think as bernie gets approved for his socialist programs that the government would somehow take advantage of them and turn our country from a greedy capitalist country to a government interfering corrupted socialist country like cuba? on bernie's watch? veritas

[boof]

Now THAT is ignorance.

You don't think black people run businesses or something??? You don't think there are black owned businesses? You don't think black people can just decide to promote other black people over white people when they are the boss?

The definitions of words like DIVERSITY and MINORITY are completely misunderstood in today's society.

Diversity does not mean HIRE MORE BLACK PEOPLE. It means to have fairness in representing different groups of people. Minority means you are in lesser numbers than another group.

Do you think that there are not ANY cities in the U.S. were the white population is in the minority?



LOOLOLOLOL @ white people have a fair shot at everything. When is the Caucasian version of Sanford and Son coming out? Who is the white version of Tavis Smiley on BET?


soooooooo leaned at millennial hipster logics.

literally none of this is a good point. you think that because a few black owned businesses could promote black employees over white employees, there's some cities where whites are the minorities, and that there's an all black sitcom, and a black host on a black television channel, that white people need groups to defend them in unfair hiring processes?

???

[veritas]

This is not a democracy <3 <3 <3

You are blinded by the agenda. I pity you.

[veritas]

bernie sanders seems to be the only elected federal official that want's democratic socialism, how would the governement turn into cuba? wouldn't the rest of the government still fight to keep capitalism? i just explained the difference between what happened in cuba and what the goal of bernie's proposals are, no? you think as bernie gets approved for his socialist programs that the government would somehow take advantage of them and turn our country from a greedy capitalist country to a government interfering corrupted socialist country like cuba? on bernie's watch? veritas


you speak well. Still in yet, you miss the picture. Socialism turns into governmental dictatorship. where government screws you instead of corporations.

the difference is, the big difference is, that when corporations screw me, my personal "freedoms" aren't messed with.

but when the government screw you, you get no internet, and 8 hour breadlines.

the main point is this: (and I speak to you as a young man who may still be flexible and open minded) More government is the exact OPPOSITE OF what this country was supposed to be.

please try and see it from this perspective. this is the truth. the corporations and government are just two sides of the same control system. problem with your logic is that you are advocating the greater of two evils.

hope you feel me, friend.

[boof]

you speak well. Still in yet, you miss the picture. Socialism turns into governmental dictatorship. where government screws you instead of corporations.

the difference is, the big difference is, that when corporations screw me, my personal "freedoms" aren't messed with.

but when the government screw you, you get no internet, and 8 hour breadlines.

the main point is this: (and I speak to you as a young man who may still be flexible and open minded) More government is the exact OPPOSITE OF what this country was supposed to be.

please try and see it from this perspective. this is the truth. the corporations and government are just two sides of the same control system. problem with your logic is that you are advocating the greater of two evils.

hope you feel me, friend.

i agree with what's in bold. but your statements make it seem as if bernie sanders does not have the integrity to impose democratic socialism without full blown corrupted socialism taking place. and if you think sanders would ever let america turn into a dictatorship then you either haven't watched enough footage of him at congressional meetings or you are judging his character all wrong. if neither of those are true then you are insinuating our federal government would somehow take free health care, free education, a youth jobs program, expanded social security, guaranteed pension, and paid maternity leave and turn it into a communist dictatorship. as those are the only things considered socialist about bernie's proposals. like i told uh oh, i understand people's view of 'more government' is bad. but it's not that simple. it's the type of governing that matters. and if we have an opportunity to create productive governmental programs beneficial to the majority of american people, why would we refuse just because the type of government that exists now has done so much wrong? why wouldn't we fight to replace the bad with good?

[veritas]

I am glad that you are able to be open minded enough to consider something aside from the NWO agenda. Thank you and respect.

Now then, I will answer your question with a humorous statement ok?

POLI - from the latin word meaning many
TIC - from the natural experience, a blood sucker


Integrity is long removed from politics my young friend. I feel like we could conversate more, and I would enjoy doing so.

[boof]

are you saying because bernie sanders is a politican that he can't have integrity?

[veritas]

I am saying that the odds are against him and that he is most likely a puppet to gently slide in another longer term agenda.

Do you understand or would you like me to elab Boof?

[Diode]

I am glad that you are able to be open minded enough to consider something aside from the NWO agenda. Thank you and respect.

Now then, I will answer your question with a humorous statement ok?

POLI - from the latin word meaning many
TIC - from the natural experience, a blood sucker


Integrity is long removed from politics my young friend. I feel like we could conversate more, and I would enjoy doing so.

veritas approaching chyeahhh territory with his apocryphal garbage conspiracy etymology

way to hang out with sub dirt.

[Diode]

https://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/13165903_1114762518544329_4011988168601330402_n.jp g?oh=8fd2aa702bf5992614a618ca6a514861&oe=57A23CCD

(lol)

[veritas]

You can't use what your agenda stands for to make fun of your agenda....well you could...if you were too dumb to see how it contradicts itself.

[Batty]

in which i am disappointed to find out that batty is an unapologetic white rights clown

sigh.


HAHAHA!! You gottdamn right I am unapologetic. What would I be apologizing for? SLAVERY?

https://www.superfunnyimages.com/images/c170ce4ab2_When-my-friend-tells-me-we-had-homework-that-I-didn-t-do.gif




must resist desire to redirect batty's logins to stormfront

why did you have to do this Q_Q


my family is from the middle east, lol

http://doiamuseyou.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/didnt-see-that-coming_2.gif




literally none of this is a good point. you think that because a few black owned businesses could promote black employees over white employees, there's some cities where whites are the minorities, and that there's an all black sitcom, and a black host on a black television channel, that white people need groups to defend them in unfair hiring processes?




LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Let me ask you a question first...


Would it be unfair for a black business to refuse to hire white people?

http://doiamuseyou.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/didnt-see-that-coming_5.gif

Let's make this really interesting, everybody reveal their voting history on the count of 3.

[Batty]

@crickets to thread

[~RustyGunZ~]

Ron Paul 2008, Gary Johnson 2012

[big baby]

this nigga beritiaas said conversate like it was a real word lmaooooooooooooo FUCKA idiyote!!!

[Sharp]

Demolished at poly tic and White BET

[Witty]

My only problem with American politics is, there are many people willing to vote for Trump.

If I had a vote it would have been for Bernie, but now it looks like Hillary will be the winner...but if you honestly, having taken all arguments in to account, and given fair evaluation to all, still vote for Trump...I just don't think you're a rational and logical human being.

Hillary is far from perfect...very very far...but even she is better than having President Trump...and I have yet to find a single person outside the USA who disagrees...it's strange how the biggest country in the world can be so utterly insular.

[Pharaohs Army]

jesus christ where do I begin.

[uh-oh]

My only problem with American politics is, there are many people willing to vote for Trump.

If I had a vote it would have been for Bernie, but now it looks like Hillary will be the winner...but if you honestly, having taken all arguments in to account, and given fair evaluation to all, still vote for Trump...I just don't think you're a rational and logical human being.

Hillary is far from perfect...very very far...but even she is better than having President Trump...and I have yet to find a single person outside the USA who disagrees...it's strange how the biggest country in the world can be so utterly insular.
Its simple really man. If you look past headlines and into policies its easy to see why people prefer trump. Its also easy to see why people prefer bernie. I dont understand why anyone prefers clinton over anyone.

Personally i think youre all nuts

[Pharaohs Army]

First off let me just say I pretty much nailed predicting the 2012 primaries and General.

And 2016 so far so good, as I made many predictions Before Iowa at the end of February which are still holding strong. (here on a netcee thread)
And then I had a March FB post which went into more accurately predictive detail.

Unfortunately I'm just a good prognosticator and fact checker, so don't expect a solutions-post from me.. yet..

Long story short Hillary is going to win. It might be closer than some pundits think. But I still don't give Trump a chance against her. It's a numbers game with demographics. It's a ground game with political machine. It's, frankly, a "where the electorate is" game, with the country being "lefter" than it has in some decades... a traditional Republican would be creamed in a general, even with Hillary's baggage. Trump is literally their best shot of winning, due to his broader appeal and wildcard antics. But. Hillary will be the next pres.

Moving right along........
I was thinking about going through diligently, and t@gging specific people and responding to quotes, but if you don't mind I'm just gonna start jumping around and bulletpointing.

-Socialism is not Communism, and democratic socialism is not pure socialism.
Are your parents on Medicare? Pretty nice. Socialism.

-We must ask ourselves why Canada, Australia, and Western Europe can provide health care to everyone and do it far cheaper.. Sure, maybe there's some better specialists in the states, and some higher level medical shit for rare diseases and disabilities. But let's take a look in the mirror here people.

-Sander's couldn't get 2% of what he wants done through a Republican Congress. Agreed.
Now, Please tell me why it would be ANY different for Hillary, even if her proposals are more modest or watered down.
It wouldn't be different. She is their sworn enemy. Being white and being born here (joke) would not stop the obstruction.
And if something did get through, she'd be signing some poison-pill goodies for the Rightes along with whatever goods she wanted.

-The housing bubble collapse and global financial meltdowns had numerous factors.
Glass-Steagal as Diode referred to can be considered the linchpin moment, because it allowed Commercial Banking to be mixed with Investment banking.
Then we have rampant speculation, over-leveraging, phony credit ratings, shitty bundled loans (mortgage backed securities, credit default swaps, abuse of derivatives and other complex instruments)... let's see, yes Fannie&Freddie (both parties fkd up), NINJA loans, poor oversight and lack of enforcement on all of the above.
There's a lot more. Long story short Diode is not wrong about Glass-Steagal being a big deal, whatever you may think about him personally.

-@uh-oh your paragraph about union jobs and cleaner energies was filled with so many inaccuracies, I almost couldn't get to the end of it. I think boof tried his hand at dissecting it... I would have done it differently, but just know that it's quite off base.

-@Batty &others
This complete lack of trust or outright dismissal of data, charts, and statistics is a little concerning to me..
Is everything perfect and reliable? No. But should we dismiss every study& stat that doesn't align with our views? No.
Is black unemployment (especially youth), substantially greater than the overall unemployment rate. YES
Could 40 new black guys at your orientation be due to the fact that the vast majority of the unemployed people in the area were black? until they got hired there? YES
And this is coming from someone who opposes Affirmative Action and ideally I think we should be colorblind... But, I'm not going to ignore facts.

-K, back to the election for a minute.
The silver lining in this circus is: now people know how truly, truly, fucked up this 2 party stranglehold is. In general.
Specifically with respect to the Primary system it's a rigged game. Trump's got that right. I live in New York; we have a fucked voting system.
And alongside all of this, Republican state legislatures have been trying to make voting harder. This is undeniable and, frankly, disgusting.

People who were uninformed probably had no idea the Primary system was this dumb. And people like me.. who know a lil' bit.. still, I didn't know HOW bad it was until this cycle.
-----

-Our country needs to do away with superdelegates, probably regular delegates too, and yes toss the Electoral College out the window while we're at it.

-Somehow the 2 party stranglehold must be at least marginally disrupted.. Other parties/ candidates can't even get on 50 ballots. Even if they have $$ (a requirement), there are so many hoops to jump through it's ridiculous.

-@veritas lol keep the Robber Barons happy.
How about this... come to our state... State X... Zero taxes of any kind for, let's say... 10 years... just for settling here (but don't worry you can still whine about taxes),

-Your subway sub prices are going up because Jenny got a raise from 8.50 to 9.75 per hour. That greedy little wench. No other reason than these greedy workers.

- I lied, I do have a solution for something:
Employers: Hire an illegal?
PAY A SMALL FINE AND TOLD NEVER TO DO AGAIN
Hire many illegals?
PAY A LIL' BIGGER FINE AND TOLD NEVER TO DO AGAIN
Second or Third strike?
HEFTY FINE, PROSECUTION, POSSIBLE JAILTIME (FOR BREAKING THE LAW)
WOOPS, I JUST SOLVED ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.

Newsflash, neither party wants to fix immigration one damn bit (but moreso Republicans, they need it as a wedge issue).

2l0ng d1dnt r3@d

[Pharaohs Army]

boof,

I've heard this from many a Bernie fan... that they will never vote for Hillary.

Just watch.
Maybe you won't, and a few friends you know won't.
But on the whole, they will hold their nose and vote for her.

And if not, then my prediction will be wrong and we can let the Trump fun begin.

[Sharp]

^^that was said about Hilary supporters for Obama. As long as bernie throws his support behind Clinton she'd be fine

uh-oh I'ma need to see the policies you refer to. No agenda straight curiosity

But yo


Has anyone else been thinking about the presidential election like the NBA?

Republicans run a 3rd party establishment candidate who guarantees a Hilary win BUT brings disillusioned traditional Republicans to polls so they maintain more seats in Congress. Because Congress inevitably turns against the president during midterms (at least for the last 20 years) they can aquire more seats on 2018 meaning they're poised for a huuuuge payoff during the 2020 redistricting

They're fucking tanking guys

[uh-oh]

uh-oh I'ma need to see the policies you refer to. No agenda straight curiosity



i'm assuming you mean trumps?

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions

other than the wall buffoonery i'm ok with all of that and agree with alot of it.

if you never look into what his plans are and just listen to the dumb shit he spews to stay in headlines than its easy to hate him. but if you look into his actual stances its not hard to believe why he gets so much support Witty

but again, like with bernie or any of them, i don't think they'll get pretty much anything done. i'm still surprised obamacare is a thing personally.

so hopefully when trump beats hillary the one thing he can get done is repeal it.

[Sharp]

You want me to complain about Mexico paying for the wall or China first?

[uh-oh]

you can complain about them both lol, my only beef with the china one is the increased military presence in the south china sea. but if you can school me more on that i'm willing to listen. the wall is nonsense just in principle. its not gonna stop anything.

but im with the healthcare and va reforms, tax reforms and i dig the second amendment. im with da orange faced floppy haired goon on those issues. and its why i prefer him over both democrats.

thats just me though.

[Sharp]

I'm so tired but I just don't get how his supporters are for the government overreach required for the wire transfer deal... Or how if the corporate tax reduction and getting China to cut back on shady practices (if they can) would bring manufacturing jobs here.

Second amendment isn't a huge issue for me but VA reform's one if the reasons I like Hillary lol. Didn't read Trumps yet, I'll check it later


https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/veterans/

I like what Hill dog's got going on here tho

[Certain]

The Mexico paying for a wall thing is just outright stoke-the-fires buffoonery.

[Batty]

My only problem with American politics is, there are many people willing to vote for Trump.

If I had a vote it would have been for Bernie, but now it looks like Hillary will be the winner...but if you honestly, having taken all arguments in to account, and given fair evaluation to all, still vote for Trump...I just don't think you're a rational and logical human being.

Hillary is far from perfect...very very far...but even she is better than having President Trump...and I have yet to find a single person outside the USA who disagrees...it's strange how the biggest country in the world can be so utterly insular.

This is a prime example...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NzhQWcc7h4

A lot of people secretly just like the fact that Trump isn't politically correct. Now trust me, there are probably quite a few faggots here that will somehow believe that means I support him. He lies, he's full of shit and he's rude but he's just not politically correct.

We live in a day and age where shit works like this: try making a statement that is TRUE but not politically correct... like say that the majority or Bloods and Crips are black.

Somebody will be like THAT'S RACIST AF, WHY DON'T YOU GET YOUR KKK OUTFIT ON AND CHEW TOBACCO LOLOLOLL.

People really don't care about the truth anymore, I think people are tired of pussies and want an asshole.

I mean look at all the niggas who are into eating booty nowadays.

[NYCSPITZ]

mamasay mamasa mamakosa
ja quit playin knock it off ur not 2pac

[Batty]

Batty &others
This complete lack of trust or outright dismissal of data, charts, and statistics is a little concerning to me..
Is everything perfect and reliable? No. But should we dismiss every study& stat that doesn't align with our views? No.
Is black unemployment (especially youth), substantially greater than the overall unemployment rate. YES
Could 40 new black guys at your orientation be due to the fact that the vast majority of the unemployed people in the area were black? until they got hired there? YES
And this is coming from someone who opposes Affirmative Action and ideally I think we should be colorblind... But, I'm not going to ignore facts.

I'm only foot-sweeping you on this one because you big upped yourself so much on the first part of your post...

If you actually read what I wrote, I never said I just dismiss "facts". I'm gonna ask you this, because you are an ultra intelligent guy who accurately predicts future trends:

When a person only posts one-sided stats, do you not question their agenda?

It's funny, because a Republican can spout out a ton of facts as to why Reagan was great and a Democrat can spout out a ton of facts as to why Reagan shitty and both sides can be right technically.

As to your "40 new black guys" argument, you're trying to imply things that I never said. None of those things that you brought up even matter. My workplace employs more black people than white people, white people ARE the minority at my workplace. That's not racist, I didn't elaborate as to there being some conspiracy or anything. It's just a fact.

For the record, all of the black people I work with personally are fucking awesome. We all get along and they are cool as shit. The black people in administration are crooked, petty and racist just like the white people in admin.

But yeah, it's fucking retarded to say that black people can't be racist or that every white person is born privileged, that defies all fact and logic, but yo...people still say it and believe it.

Hate to say it but America deserves Trump, we've become that big of a joke anyways.

[boof]

boof,

I've heard this from many a Bernie fan... that they will never vote for Hillary.

Just watch.
Maybe you won't, and a few friends you know won't.
But on the whole, they will hold their nose and vote for her.

And if not, then my prediction will be wrong and we can let the Trump fun begin.


bernie or bust is nothing to scoff at. i know of very few people that voted for bernie that think hillary is anything less than everything wrong with politicians. literally maybe two. today was the first day i met anybody that isn't a woman and over 45 that supports hillary. and this is after countless hours of phone banking and canvassing.

if bernie isn't the nominee, he still has a chance of winning as an independent in the gerneral election. i understand that sounds ridiculous, but remember 42% of registered voters identify as independent. and bernie has gotten up to 71% of the independent vote, 60% on average, thus far.

[boof]

The Mexico paying for a wall thing is just outright stoke-the-fires buffoonery.

the former president of mexico who originally said "we're not building that fcking wall" made an apology to donald trump today.

[Pharaohs Army]

Batty

yeah I was arrogant at the beginning on purpose.
i'm pretty cynical about politics as you can tell, so I bragging about being right is really all I have to latch on to.

I'm sorry I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth.
In my analysis I put 2 and 2 together (very high black unemployment + many new hires = because african americans were a large pool of people seeking work).

I did not know that your workplace was majority minority...
I guess my main point to you would be, you are living in anomalous workplace. Those are just the facts. Your anecdotes however true really do not reflect the nation in general.. and the white disadvantaged thing doesn't really hold up to scrutiny.
I'm sure if cops harassed and killed unarmed whites as often as blacks (or, actually many times more if we're taking into account population%), there would be some white Reverends preaching for racial justice while also strutting in the spotlight and lining their pockets.
But that's just not the case.

[Pharaohs Army]

boofy
The younger voters in their teens and twenties I can certainly see a big block of them shunning Hillary.

But even With that I think there would be enough middle aged and elderly Bernie supporters (they do exist) who will take Hillary as their reluctant 2nd choice (particularly this cycle with the Trump factor)... Even if there are some Bernie or busts, I think it'd have to be quite a high% of Bernie or busts before Clinton was in any trouble on the electoral map.

[Pharaohs Army]

Sharp&others

Pretty much nothing short of a miracle can bring back blue collar manufacturing jobs that have been outsourced... and probably can't even stop or slow further outsourcing.

Trump is selling a bill of goods.. and that's all it really is.
Things that sound good, with no real plan, other than "I'm a good negotiator, I'll call the CEO and tell him don't outsource or you'll pay you bastard".
Trust me, trust me, you're gonna be so proud.

This can actually be said about any politician who claims to be able to stop or reverse outsourcing.. Trump just does it in a more shamelessly vaccuous way.

The fact is globalization, technology, and corporation-friendly trade deals have killed traditional bluecollar manufacturing in the states.

UNLESS MALAYSIAN SWEATSHOP WORKERS START MAKING 8+ U.S. DOLLARS PER HOUR, outsourcing will continue. To say nothing of laxer (is that word?) laxer environmental&labor regulations in the 3rd world and the developing countries.

Even if zero jobs were outsourced, domestic technology&machines have been replacing jobs that have in the past been human.

[Diode]

Sharp&others

Pretty much nothing short of a miracle can bring back blue collar manufacturing jobs that have been outsourced... and probably can't even stop or slow further outsourcing.

Trump is selling a bill of goods.. and that's all it really is.
Things that sound good, with no real plan, other than "I'm a good negotiator, I'll call the CEO and tell him don't outsource or you'll pay you bastard".
Trust me, trust me, you're gonna be so proud.

This can actually be said about any politician who claims to be able to stop or reverse outsourcing.. Trump just does it in a more shamelessly vaccuous way.

The fact is globalization, technology, and corporation-friendly trade deals have killed traditional bluecollar manufacturing in the states.

UNLESS MALAYSIAN SWEATSHOP WORKERS START MAKING 8+ U.S. DOLLARS PER HOUR, outsourcing will continue. To say nothing of laxer (is that word?) laxer environmental&labor regulations in the 3rd world and the developing countries.

Even if zero jobs were outsourced, domestic technology&machines have been replacing jobs that have in the past been human.

And herein lies the rub.

The rubes blame the foreign workers and immigrants for accepting the work.

The smarts blame the corporations for their greed and disloyalty.

[Destroyer]

I like sanders, but short of a Hilary indictment, it's over for him

[Batty]

Batty

yeah I was arrogant at the beginning on purpose.
i'm pretty cynical about politics as you can tell, so I bragging about being right is really all I have to latch on to.

I'm sorry I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth.
In my analysis I put 2 and 2 together (very high black unemployment + many new hires = because african americans were a large pool of people seeking work).

I did not know that your workplace was majority minority...
I guess my main point to you would be, you are living in anomalous workplace. Those are just the facts. Your anecdotes however true really do not reflect the nation in general.. and the white disadvantaged thing doesn't really hold up to scrutiny.
I'm sure if cops harassed and killed unarmed whites as often as blacks (or, actually many times more if we're taking into account population%), there would be some white Reverends preaching for racial justice while also strutting in the spotlight and lining their pockets.
But that's just not the case.


Word, respects Pharaoh.

As for my anecdotes, pls look at what I said when I said them...


Well, tbh Diode, I'm more inclined to trust what I see firsthand over some skewed stats from some biased source. I'm not one to think what I "see personally" is the same across the board, but yo, I think locally before globally because what is local effects me the most.


It doesn't mean that I dismiss statistics, but if I'm in Alaska, the fact that it is hot as hell in California doesn't concern me.

As for the police, again, yes racial profiling is an issue and yes I'm just as FUCK THE POLICE as the next guy, but our Police Chief is black and so is our mayor lololololololololololololololol

[Batty]

I like sanders, but short of a Hilary indictment, it's over for him

Yeah, in a normal world, it should end up being Sanders vs Kasich at the end.

I mean, they sound the most like politicians and at least make sense on some level.

But America likes a good clown show more than anything.

[~RustyGunZ~]

and to say you don't spend 124 dollars a week on food like that's so awful is fucking RETARDED. do you have a family? does 124 dollars a week really sound like that much money for a single mom and her 1 kid? or 2 kids? what the fuck? i spend 80/week on groceries just for myself and i'm fucking starving. you don't spend 5% of your income on entertainment? you think that's not justified? what the fuck?

i got those stats from the tax foundation website. which is the most legitimate tax site i know of. and its ran by republicans.

how many of those people do you know? lmao 10? 20? where do you live? you think because you know a few people that get more they need that everyone gets more than they need? i know people that don't qualify because they make too much that need that shit. so how are you going to tell me people UNDER the threshold get TOO much?

and why the fuck aren't you mad about giving walmart and mcdonalds a thousand dollars a year? they're billion dollar corporations, doesn't that seem like TOO MUCH for someone that DOESNT NEED IT?

I'll respond to these today but lmao

So you pay mostly taxes to support corporate greed and think testing that greed will make it better?

[Batty]

And herein lies the rub.

The rubes blame the foreign workers and immigrants for accepting the work.

The smarts blame the corporations for their greed and disloyalty.


^I agree with this

The whole THEY TOOK OUR JOBS mentality is a case of misplaced blame. They didn't "take your job", they were willing to do your job either better or for cheaper pay.

[Geno]

well, if its gonna come down to trump and clinton. i see trump taking it. i just think the world is ready for a woman in office yet and doubt its gonna happen. either way, the next four years should prove to be very entertaining. i actually am looking forward to seeing trump address the nation as president ...christ the entertainment will be awesom. but lord help us

[boof]

the nation is more than ready for a female president, hillary is just a lying piece of shit. jill stein would be a dope president

and @$chein Dolla $ign yeah, better than doing nothing? by far

[Geno]

maybe, she does have Bill in her corner. which is actually the main reason i would lean towards her with a vote if i were to go vote. even though im republican by preference. i always liked Bill. so thats a big plus in her favor

[Batty]

the nation is more than ready for a female president, hillary is just a lying piece of shit. jill stein would be a dope president

and @$chein Dolla $ign yeah, better than doing nothing? by far

Same here, I have no problem with a female prez, but she's gotta be somebody besides Hilary or Palin fr fr.

I promise that if next election Oprah runs with Michael Air Jordan as vice prez, that's a lock.


(not Michael b. Jordan human torch tho)

[~RustyGunZ~]

the nation is more than ready for a female president, hillary is just a lying piece of shit. jill stein would be a dope president

and @$chein Dolla $ign yeah, better than doing nothing? by far

I'd rather they do nothing than do something that will make things worse.

[boof]

well that's you boss. this is the worst period in american history as far as wage inequality so i'd rather try something suggested by somebody i believe to be a lot smarter than most, backed by almost 200 top economists, than do nothing in fear of making it worse. it can't get much worse. i'd rather not depend on these morally bankrupt corporations for whatever type of financial stability you think they're giving our country.

[~RustyGunZ~]

I don't think they're stable nor do they give a shit about this country but trying to take more from them when they go to great lengths to avoid paying what they're already required to isn't going to help any. I think you're taking me saying it won't work as I don't wish it would. I'm just a realist.

The Stat you posted would be much worse of they were taxed more. You're mad we pay taxes to offset their greed but think that raising that will help. In the end even more money will be taken from you to cover the billions they're hiding in even deeper holes.

[Diode]

I don't think they're stable nor do they give a shit about this country but trying to take more from them when they go to great lengths to avoid paying what they're already required to isn't going to help any. I think you're taking me saying it won't work as I don't wish it would. I'm just a realist.

The Stat you posted would be much worse of they were taxed more. You're mad we pay taxes to offset their greed but think that raising that will help. In the end even more money will be taken from you to cover the billions they're hiding in even deeper holes.

so please, do tell me how kowtowing to people who are greedy, have no consequences for their actions, and will just keep taking more until there is nothing left... is better than taking a stand against them. doing nothing has a definitive ending in which they have all. doing something could at least end up with an alternative finale.

fair?

(lol fuck u v i h8 u and hope u have brain amoebas)

[boof]

^what he said, also


-end a rule allowing American corporations to defer paying federal income taxes on profits of offshore subsidiaries.

-prevent corporations from avoiding U.S. taxes by claiming to be a foreign company through the establishment of a post office box in a tax-haven country

-eliminate tax breaks for big oil, gas, and coal companies.
stop American companies from avoiding U.S. taxes through corporate inversions.

-close loopholes that allow U.S. corporations to artificially inflate or accelerate foreign tax credits

when these are the law, they will either pay or move. tax shaming has caught fire recently, and multiple companies have already paid or agreed to paying their share, and i haven't read about any negative repercussions, 7 months later.

so i'll keep supporting it

[oats]

as a Bernie supporter from day 1, it truly baffles me that other Bernie supporters wouldn't vote for Hillary if/when she gets the nomination. Bernie has done well to push her into a more progressive stance on a lot of issues (though, as we all know, campaigning politicians are very different than elected politicians), but to think Bernie running as an independent would do anything but make it easier for Trump to win is naive. a Sanders landslide in California would be great, but I'm not holding my breath. while socially California is as liberal as it gets, there are a lot of rich people in the state, many of whom I suspect will prefer Hillary. we'll see though, I'm still gunning for the Sand man.


though I should add, if Bernie doesn't get the nomination, I strongly doubt he will run as a third party candidate.

[boof]

bro all things considered i really don't think trump is worse than hillary at this point. i could never vote for either. bernie pushed her left while campaigning, she's just repeating everything he says to keep as many votes as her surname got her in the first place. you know she's not really going to break up any banks or stop any wars, i highly doubt she'll do anything for mass incarceration or anything race related. and i know she's not going to do shit as far as tax loopholes or campaign finance reform, she's one of the people using them to her advantage. the pettiness of her campaign makes me hate her as a person and as a politican. i only hate trump as a politician.

bernie or bust

[oats]

bro all things considered i really don't think trump is worse than hillary at this point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vQaVIoEjOM

[Certain]

bro all things considered i really don't think trump is worse than hillary at this point. i could never vote for either. bernie pushed her left while campaigning, she's just repeating everything he says to keep as many votes as her surname got her in the first place. you know she's not really going to break up any banks or stop any wars, i highly doubt she'll do anything for mass incarceration or anything race related. and i know she's not going to do shit as far as tax loopholes or campaign finance reform, she's one of the people using them to her advantage. the pettiness of her campaign makes me hate her as a person and as a politican. i only hate trump as a politician.

bernie or bust

So the pettiness of Hillary Clinton's campaign makes you hate her as a person, while the pettiness of Donald Trump's campaign (which is so much louder, more degrading and more full of lies) does not.

Also, while Clinton may do none of those things, Trump also will not do any of those things and will seek to institute his hate-filled agenda.

A Clinton presidency likely means a holding pattern. A Trump presidency likely means two to three steps the wrong way. My biggest worry is global diplomacy. The world hates Trump and will hate him even more when he is the person they have to deal with on important diplomatic initiatives.

No one likes Clinton. At least she won't embarrass us and make bad situations worse.

[oats]

Donald Trump on climate change: "The concept of Global Warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make US manufacturing noncompetitive."

Hillary Clinton on climate change: "Global change is the most consequential sweeping collection of challenges we face as a nation and a world."

[~RustyGunZ~]

so please, do tell me how kowtowing to people who are greedy, have no consequences for their actions, and will just keep taking more until there is nothing left... is better than taking a stand against them. doing nothing has a definitive ending in which they have all. doing something could at least end up with an alternative finale.

fair?

(lol fuck u v i h8 u and hope u have brain amoebas)

i just don't think the government can or will do anything about it

the only option at this point is become slaves or rebel

[Destroyer]

that would be the only option for a country without an elected official political system.
as we are one, it's not even close to the "only" option

[~RustyGunZ~]

clearly it doesn't work

#trump2016

[Destroyer]

it's literally working right now
to say it doesn't work is just plain wrong
could it work better? certainly. is it working? most definitely

[oats]

I'm doubtful that Bernie will get the nom, but if his campaign results in a congressional overhaul, he will have been a success.

[Batty]

that would be the only option for a country without an elected official political system.
as we are one, it's not even close to the "only" option

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k551/denniverse/straight%20outta%20options2_zpsuhugw0or.jpg

[PancakeBrah]

Yo i bet Veritas reads and loves Ayn Rand.

[Objective]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CdrJWAOXIAElyH3.jpg

If Trump wins... Damn, guys, you did it. You actually did it... You managed to fuck up everything. I've yet to speak to a person outside of the US regardless of where on the political spectrum they're at that believes he's a good option for president. Holy fucking shit.

[PancakeBrah]

Believe you me, Objective, the good Americans know Trump is a jokeboy.

[Batty]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CdrJWAOXIAElyH3.jpg

If Trump wins... Damn, guys, you did it. You actually did it... You managed to fuck up everything. I've yet to speak to a person outside of the US regardless of where on the political spectrum they're at that believes he's a good option for president. Holy fucking shit.


Everything is already fucked.

[veritas]

Let's assume that either would actually do what they said they would. If so I choose donald. Let us get ww3 going....if we are going to have to fight the Muslims let us fight as men!

[uh-oh]

I hope trump wins so the rest of the world views us as idiots, and then they can live with the fact that a country of idiots is responsible for their entire existence

[veritas]

so please, do tell me how kowtowing to people who are greedy, have no consequences for their actions, and will just keep taking more until there is nothing left... is better than taking a stand against them. doing nothing has a definitive ending in which they have all. doing something could at least end up with an alternative finale.

fair?

(lol fuck u v i h8 u and hope u have brain amoebas)

Your egotistical h8 towards me fails to eclipse the pity I have towards you. K?

[PancakeBrah]

Veritas full fedora itt

[veritas]

HERE IS THE ATTENTION YOUR LAME GIMMICK WAS SO DESPERATE FOR, DAN! YAYAYAYAYAAYYAAYAYAYYYYYY!

[uh-oh]

On a serious note, america has never been better. Thats why we have the candidates we have.

No one gives a shit. They are too busy just living their lives, enjoying american football and american tv etc. We have dope technology rolling out left and right, dope games and entertainment. We have land for outdoor activities and etc. Basically as americans we just enjoy life. Like me. Its monday. I worked 8-5 and took a class after on panel bonding/seam sealing shit. Now im at home smoking a cig drinking a budweiser like a god damn american.

Tomorrow i will finish working on this barracuda restoratio . I got this fucker flat as shit. It was wavy and dinged up. But i do all bodywork now outside of welding and enjoy it. Making 12 an hour. Working 46 hours a week. Enjoying it.

High school dropout. Got everything i want in life except a harem of brazilians

Quit bitching america

[PancakeBrah]

HERE IS THE ATTENTION YOUR LAME GIMMICK WAS SO DESPERATE FOR, DAN! YAYAYAYAYAAYYAAYAYAYYYYYY!

*tips fedora*

[boof]

No one gives a shit. They are too busy just living their lives, enjoying american football and american tv etc. We have dope technology rolling out left and right, dope games and entertainment.

Thats why we have the candidates we have.

^correct order of statements

[Diode]

^correct order of statements

get this rep.

[uh-oh]

That was my whole drunken point guys. Lol. Not sure if your agreeing with me or refuting it?

[uh-oh]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-aB-cwZucA

jew dropping knowledge