What woukd the game have been like if pac were to have manages biggie the way big wanted him to..

[Geno]

..they might still be around.. And the collabs. Oh my the collabs. Smh. What a waste. I mean pac manages to get tons of material out. More dope material and more consistent than any other rapper you can name... But damn had they both managed to stay alive and actually been on the same team. What an album that would have been. Smh.

[Witty]

I don't understand how Pac was more consistent than any other emcee I could name.

He had a lot of dope songs...but he also had a significant amount of not so great songs.

[Ghost1]

The goat

The jigga man

J hova

Has a far more vast catalogue and is painfully more consistent


Pac is up there tho


And stfu geno this thread sucks

Pac an big would've made shit colabs and never done an entire project together

Put a boner in ur moutb

[Mr. J]

Curren$y is beyond consistent..









same could be said about Wayne too. ...I suppose

[Inno]

Curren$y is beyond consistent..









same could be said about Wayne too. ...I suppose

But currency recycles a lot of his verses and tbh I fuck with
Currency heavy I got all dem joints. But I feel like he's a an artist
You hate or love no inbetween.

I don't why so many hate on pac tho.

Troublesome is still a banger

[Mr. J]

Yea but there are some gems scattered in his vast discography though.


pac lost his steam to me when everyone around you has Pac on like daily...either that or Bone Thugs or Tech N9ne or Mac Dre.

Ugh just thinking about all that makes my stomach turn

[Inno]

Lol@bone thugs dem niggas was alright in my book

[Greed]

Ah hell.

Listen.

Pacs 6 or so post mortem albums can still be put in any type of playlist today and only improve it. I say 6 because i dont know how many post mortem albums he actually has. Its a lot though.

Realizing he is dead and put out strong albums till what, 2008? 2009? At least 10 years after death?

If hova died today his current catalogue is exactly all that would remain. Pac had a lot left in him.

Biggie did too, but pacs work ethic transcended his life.

[Certain]

Consistent is Guru. Consistent is Posdnuos. Consistent is Big Boi. Consistent is Ghostface Killah. Consistent is Redman.

Consistent is not 2Pac.

[uh-oh]

pac>

[Certain]

He was really great, objectively better than the five guys I just mentioned. He just wasn't consistent.

[Ghost1]

Ah hell.

Listen.

Pacs 6 or so post mortem albums can still be put in any type of playlist today and only improve it. I say 6 because i dont know how many post mortem albums he actually has. Its a lot though.

Realizing he is dead and put out strong albums till what, 2008? 2009? At least 10 years after death?

If hova died today his current catalogue is exactly all that would remain. Pac had a lot left in him.

Biggie did too, but pacs work ethic transcended his life.

Cmon man

Last year I downloaded a 10 disc collection of just mixtape tracks, freestyles & appearances ALONE.

On top of that he has wat.....12 albums?

An are we really acting like he doesn't have throwaway shit that would never see the light of day unless he died tomorrow... same as pac?

Absurd.

EVEN IF HE DIDNT.....his catalogue extends much further then pacs......and really to say pac would've stayed consistent is just an assumption also......them post mortem albums ain't great ....one or 2 of em r good....


I could go on....but he's just no Jay. Jay is the goat.


I fuck w pac tho.

[Certain]

The fact that 2Pac's body of work has been raped repeatedly is not an argument that he was consistent.

[Blanco Bishop]

Consistent is Guru. Consistent is Posdnuos. Consistent is Big Boi. Consistent is Ghostface Killah. Consistent is Redman.

Consistent is not 2Pac.


100 years from now, 2pac will be one of three or four artists mentioned when rap is mentioned.


Foh.

[Mr. J]

^^^*dead*^^^

[Certain]

100 years from now, 2pac will be one of three or four artists mentioned when rap is mentioned.


Foh.

I don't even disagree at all. You can be great but not consistent. Most greats are. Prince, my favorite musician of all time by far, was very inconsistent throughout his career. Both 2Pac and Prince are defined more by their ambition and the desire to be great at everything. That's what sets them apart and makes them so much more culturally relevant.

[Blanco Bishop]

I don't even disagree at all. You can be great but not consistent. Most greats are. Prince, my favorite musician of all time by far, was very inconsistent throughout his career. Both 2Pac and Prince are defined more by their ambition and the desire to be great at everything. That's what sets them apart and makes them so much more culturally relevant.


OK.

but I'm interested to know as to y u say pac was not consistent

[Certain]

You ever listen to the second disc of All Eyez on Me?

[Blanco Bishop]

You ever listen to the second disc of All Eyez on Me?

Ok.

I'll admitt that the outlawz didn't do him any favors.

Any other quarrels with it?

[Certain]

Thug Life wasn't good. 2Pacalypse Now and Strictly 4 My NIGGAZ were up and down, though I like both. Me Against the World, All Eyez on Me Disc 1 and The Don Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory are unimpeachable, though, particularly Me Against the World.

[Blanco Bishop]

Thug Life wasn't good. 2Pacalypse Now and Strictly 4 My NIGGAZ were up and down, though I like both. Me Against the World, All Eyez on Me Disc 1 and The Don Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory are unimpeachable, though, particularly Me Against the World.


I can't even attack that argument.

I respect the fact u gave him his due props.


I mean...what artist IS consistent tho?

[Certain]

Gang Starr was wildly consistent, almost irrationally so. The reason for that was in no small part because they stuck with the formulas that worked. Both DJ Premier (on things like Jeru the Damaja's debut and MOP tracks) and Guru (on Jazzmatazz) experimented a lot outside the group. But when they got together, it was all about putting out the vintage stuff.

[Greed]

Uhh can you please factor in this catalogue we speak of was made pre 1996. Anything jay did after that was not directly in competition with pac.

If the dead dont get some kind of handicap then sure jay z the goat. But hes over 40 and got an extra 15+ years in the game since hes not around. And even if it was a fact jay the best by those standards pac still right up there with him.

[Blanco Bishop]

Gang Starr was wildly consistent, almost irrationally so. The reason for that was in no small part because they stuck with the formulas that worked. Both DJ Premier (on things like Jeru the Damaja's debut and MOP tracks) and Guru (on Jazzmatazz) experimented a lot outside the group. But when they got together, it was all about putting out the vintage stuff.

I feel u...BUT

Guru never deviated from his home flow and Premier never strayed from his comfortable boom bap..

But yes....their work was utterly consistent.

Not that hard when u don't take risks tho...

[Certain]

McDonald's is consistent. You order a Big Mac anywhere in the world (that serves beef), and you get the same damn thing. Consistency doesn't equal quality, necessarily.

[Blanco Bishop]

McDonald's is consistent. You order a Big Mac anywhere in the world (that serves beef), and you get the same damn thing. Consistency doesn't equal quality, necessarily.

Maybe...but is peak Gangstar equal to peak PAC?

[uh-oh]

disc 2 of all eyez on me is full of bangers

certain just stop talking about pac.

[Certain]

Which bangers?

1. Ambitionz Az A Ridah
2. All About U
3. Skandalouz
4. Got My Mind Made Up
5. How Do U Want It
6. 2 of Amerikaz Most Wanted
7. No More Pain
8. Heartz of Men
9. Life Goes On
10. Only God Can Judge Me
11. Tradin War Stories
12. California Love
13. I Ain't Mad At Cha
14. What'z Ya Phone #

15. Can't C Me
16. Shorty Wanna Be a Thug
17. Holla At Me
18. Wonda Why They Call U Bitch
19. When We Ride
20. Thug Passion
21. Picture Me Rollin'
22. Check Out Time
23. Ratha Be Ya Nigga
24. All Eyez On Me
25. Run Tha Streetz
26. Ain't Hard 2 Find
27. Heaven Ain't Hard 2 Find

I'll take almost every track on Disc 1 over almost any track on Disc 2.

[uh-oh]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVv4IdGtcNw

[uh-oh]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX5VCY28_Xo

probably my favorite pac song^

i like pretty much every single song off disc 2. granted the nostalgia factor is heavy because all eyes on me is one of the cds i had and bumped for years

shits dope as fuck. your opinion is wrong in this matter.

[uh-oh]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05PCmqjIeNE

come the fuck on

[Certain]

There's no redeeming the number of bad guest spots on Disc 2. There's just not. 2Pac surrounded himself with a lot of bad rappers (and a few good rappers, most of whom showed up on Disc 1).

"Picture Me Rollin'" and "All Eyez on Me" are the best tracks on Disc 2, though. "Cant C Me" probably is third. But I mean there's a fucking E-40 verse on that shit.

[uh-oh]

literally everything on disc 2 SLAPS

people think jay z's dynasty album is trash because of all the guest spots. people are retarded

are the songs dope? thats all that matters

the guest spots on disc 2 don't effect any of it to me. im just not a fan of the bitch singers on it but ive already burned the verses in my mind so i can still enjoy those tracks too

shits dope.

[Certain]

You base your taste on nostalgia. "Thug Passion"? Really, though?

And as I've said before, I don't mind people calling 2Pac the greatest ever. To me, he and Jay Z are the starting point for that discussion. (I mean, there are only like 100 Notorious B.I.G. songs, simply not enough.) 2Pac and Jay Z both have plenty of shitty songs, though. For some people, hearing a 2Pac or Jay Z verse is good enough, and I can respect that. Shit, I kind of envy that.

[uh-oh]

shit bangs

the chick singers, like i said, are whatever

if you cant turn that shit all the way up and feel it we could never relate

[Greed]

He did have trash homies. Couldnt nobody really get on a song with him and blow him out the water anyways.

[TeckNeek]

consistant.... Big L

[Certain]

He never did another song with Ice Cube (though admittedly this was before 2Pac's prime and right while Cube was the best rapper in the world). Actually Ice-T kills this, too. All three verses are fire.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d6inNardy0

[sral]

lmao am I the only one that doesn't refer to posthumous releases as post mortem albums?

[Geno]

Got big views and responses for a suck thread tho Bags

Get ya weight bruh

[Geno]

Man...
Pac has like 20 albums. All dope tracks. Yall crazy. Jay been around over 20 years. Pac was arou d for what... 7-8 tops bedore death. This is my point

You cant muscle the muscle bags. I am the muscle

[Inno]

I don't even disagree at all. You can be great but not consistent. Most greats are. Prince, my favorite musician of all time by far, was very inconsistent throughout his career. Both 2Pac and Prince are defined more by their ambition and the desire to be great at everything. That's what sets them apart and makes them so much more culturally relevant.

Ypu honestly think prince was inconsistent?

Elab bro cuz prince is one of favs.
I listen to when you where mine at least once a day, include nothing compares to you aswell.

But yeah what do you mean by inconsistent?

Does he even have an album that's considered trash?

[Ghost1]

Man...
Pac has like 20 albums. All dope tracks. Yall crazy. Jay been around over 20 years. Pac was arou d for what... 7-8 tops bedore death. This is my point

You cant muscle the muscle bags. I am the muscle

Name the 20 albums moron lol

An to greed...and u....an a million other people

If we are debating goat status we are talking about every aspect..........all ur really awarding pac with for having made a shit ton of music in a small period of time is work erhic...an possibly skillset....ant the end of the day tho both of their entire catalogue would have to be looked at.....antmd Jays is bigger and honestly in its totality is better.

If ur viewing this as me not liking pac or respecting what he did then that's crazy....the fact that I'm even putting him in contention for goat status should say enuff as to where I rank him

[Inno]

Redman is goat.

Probably the T in goat

[Mr. J]

So......we can agree Hit Em Up was a great 30 second dis from Pac.




& Takeover wasnt solely dissing Nas

[TeckNeek]

eminem is goat

[Mr. J]

when you have an avy like that & stay stuck in a young mindset that can be true

[Certain]

Ypu honestly think prince was inconsistent?

Elab bro cuz prince is one of favs.
I listen to when you where mine at least once a day, include nothing compares to you aswell.

But yeah what do you mean by inconsistent?

Does he even have an album that's considered trash?

Yes. He released 39 studio albums over 38 years. Some of them — at least five or so, most from after 1995 — were not good. Listen to Come or N.E.W.S. or Planet Earth if you don't believe me. But even a good album like Controversy was a clear step down from the other work he put out in the early 1980s.

Dirty Mind, 1999, Purple Rain and Sign 'O' the Times stand very tall in the Prince discography. Every Prince fan has another two or three albums they put on that level — for me, Parade and The Love Symbol Album — but those are the four unanimously agreed-upon classics in a 39-album discography.

[Inno]

Yes. He released 39 studio albums over 38 years. Some of them — at least five or so, most from after 1995 —were not good. Listen to Come or N.E.W.S. or Planet Earth if you don't believe me. But even a good album like Controversy was a clear step down from the other work he put out in the early 1980s.

Dirty Mind, 1999, Purple Rain and Sign 'O' the Times stand very tall in the Prince discography. Every Prince fan has another two or three albums they put on that level —for me, Parade and The Love Symbol Album —but those are the four unanimously agreed-upon classics in a 39-album discography.

Word word tbh I didn't remember those albums lol(news and planet earth)

I feel you. I'd put musicology up there with the classics

[Blanco Bishop]

The dynasty actually my fav hov album @uhoh