who is the second greatest white MC?

[oats]

question was posed to me, and I had a hard time thinking of anyone, mostly because I don't listen to many white rappers. Best I could come up with were Aesop Rock and Eyedea in terms of being underground and dope, and then Bubba Sparxxx for a more mainstream dude. Bubba is worthy of being joke fodder, BUT he's a dope lyricist and has an original sound, which I tend to value most in artists.

anyway, who would you guys say?

[Witty]

Idk tbh there's a few in the mix...I've personally been getting in to Lil Dicky a lot recently.

Don't like Aesop, very big fan of Eyedea...and word, Bubba decent too.

[2tripple0]

Paul wall paul wall paul wall paul wall paull wall baby wat u know bout me aouth lee baby im only 5'9 baby holla at me paul wall paul wall paul wall

[Kin]

Ra the Rugged man

[2tripple0]

Never heard of him... lol been a long time since i was truly embedded with hip hop community...

[Certain]

Mike D.

[sral]

Vinnie Paz
Apathy
Ill Bill
RA the Rugged Man
Lil Dicky
Copywrite
Action Bronson
Brother Ali


Take your pick depending on preference.

[Destroyer]

adam yauch

[oats]

maybe I should clarify, I'm not looking for a list of potential dudes so much as a solid argument for one guy. IE, Bubba is a good lyricist with an original sound, has sold a lot etc etc.

[Slechtn]

Slug is missing there...But Action Bronson is dope

[Diablo]

maybe I should clarify, I'm not looking for a list of potential dudes so much as a solid argument for one guy. IE, Bubba is a good lyricist with an original sound, has sold a lot etc etc.

then you need to define the word 'greatest' or more specifically, your criteria for defining what is great

[Destroyer]

ok so here is an argument for adam yauch aka MCA
dude came up with grandmaster caz and shit
had a hit record in 1987 changed up his style and was outspoken against sexism and violence toward women.
took the time to learn to play bass and upright cello
was so instrumental in the beastie boys, his death spelled their end.
started in a punk band and got mad respect when he died from all major hip hop players
only beastie to rap entire songs himself

[oats]

Diablo if I provide my own parameters then I wouldn't need anyone else's opinions. I'd rather see what other people think greatness is and go from there.

[Mr. J]

Who TF is number one

[Certain]

ok so here is an argument for adam yauch aka MCA
dude came up with grandmaster caz and shit
had a hit record in 1987 changed up his style and was outspoken against sexism and violence toward women.
took the time to learn to play bass and upright cello
was so instrumental in the beastie boys, his death spelled their end.
started in a punk band and got mad respect when he died from all major hip hop players
only beastie to rap entire songs himself

I can ride with this. I always thought of Mike D as the best rapper in the Beastie Boys, but MCA was probably the more important member.

[2tripple0]

Aye beastie boys were ill came with sum raw shit as for white rappers they wasnf really considered rappers maybe til later i ther career when they came out with that song about like da future and like way things was like going techno style really u talk to most white guys theres only a handful ie. Eminem dont know i never really felt hes got a few tracks buut most of em are like idk what the word is but like eminem produce them himself hes on there with another rapper and if u listen to the tracks like for example anything from 8 mile which is probably his best work ummm yeah thats all i gotta say about him most of the shit he produced himself kust isnt that good really....imo anywayz...

[uh-oh]

Bubba sparx is terrible wtf lmao. Maybe i just skipped over his career tho idunno. If you can link something that seperates him from the terrible sea of white rappers id like to hear it

Im having a hard time with this topic.

My personal favorite of everyone named is paz. But i think he just released an album or is about too, and i couldnt care less. His last few have been so bad. He is still good for maybe 2 songs an album i would listen too when im embracing the drunk depressed angry italian in me tho.

Action bronson is the other but he still feels to new and also makes music i dont care for. But he is more well rounded than paz.

So for me its probably between them two

Although i think id give it to bronson

Hes the only one that isnt really a cornball

[timeless]

Slug, of course.

/endthread

[Maximus]

imo its Diabolic...

[2tripple0]

Its all about money thats why theres no rappers in general its about types of creeds and shot like fucking siff shot again.. money that is.. but again thats why theres not enough thats why loke people like snoop and dre and mac watever ducking in business today you feel me if you dont its okay... i hope the hip hop world does change where they do find these people and help em and direct em an shit like keep him on the page basketballs not easy ya know uhh yao ming what a career man... he was shit.. but dude passed the ball and they were like wow yao ming houston rockets halkem the dream it was crazy hakeem hakeem dude was nogerian man fucking true story they didnt see it they didnt get it they were like hakeem haleem hakkem olojuan it was incredible man the way they intro this nigerian this nigerian the way shit was interesting... conversation with my girl hahaha not really bro? U got a sister she got a sister but fucking hakeem the hakkem the fucking man it was dikembe tumbe dikembe it qas something else sorry italian inside of me like it when i talk especially in english hahahaha conv with your girl u wanta play it that way except that girls gorgeous yo its difficult...man ill never forget those guys i was like 8 9 years old when that shit went down my fucking brother was in charge... yeah i know smile r8ght... cheese... wrote a book abput macaroni and cheese how u make it... when to put in the powder... interesting stuff really... i mean it was probably really my pops who ran shit... me and my bro we qas too hot for them bitchea, had to tail them off, ...

[Certain]

Bubba Sparxxx was skilled but also very country about it. This song is very typical:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w109VjbpVeg

Action Bronson was good for a stretch, but I've really tired of him lately as a rapper. He's not even trying to catch a beat these days. From Bon Appetit ..... Bitch through Blue Chips 2, you could feel his hunger (as a rapper, not just because he's fat). On Mr. Wonderful and in his guest appearances over the past three years, he seems to feel like he made it.

MC Serch deserves a passing mention. I cannot believe Allen Knight has let this thread go on without a Lil Wyte mention. I don't like him much, but Mac Miller is skilled as hell and seems to be improving on not being a little punk dick.

The truth is El-P probably has had the best career of any white rapper other than Eminem/Beastie Boys and is definitely the one I listen to the most, even if I don't like his rap nearly as much as his production.

[Witty]

I'm telling you dudes Lil Dicky the truth.

[2tripple0]

That what mommy said last night.. ahhah

[Certain]

I'm telling you dudes Lil Dicky the truth.

He's very talented. It will be interesting to see how long his shtick holds up.

[~RustyGunZ~]

El p or slug

[2tripple0]

Is he qhite too didnt know that i always rouce da 5'9 was white hes not hes a fucking gangster a black gangster like on qtip style i rid3 through witha postmans delivery was like damn man i cant fill all that shit out... hes a top dude tho royce da 5'9 a lotta people like em.. i used to imagine him right as this russoan white kid i know or at least i think hes russian might be jewish too top cat always had the right gear for the crew it was like u cant roll if u dont habe a crew crew it was a tight crew we ran in crews i those days... deep shit....

[Tha Pastor Reach Yeah]

Jehst - better lyricist than all your lyricists put together.

[Barcotic]

mgk

[Slechtn]

Lil Dicky is cool...heard of him recently

[Greed]

I got aesop rock 2nd in pure lyrics. Slug will be up there in the white boy hof. Apathy before he got weird would have been 2nd but now nah. Beastie boys for paving the way, sure. Scratch the rest.

[Allen Knight]

Bubba Sparxxx was skilled but also very country about it. This song is very typical:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w109VjbpVeg

Action Bronson was good for a stretch, but I've really tired of him lately as a rapper. He's not even trying to catch a beat these days. From Bon Appetit ..... Bitch through Blue Chips 2, you could feel his hunger (as a rapper, not just because he's fat). On Mr. Wonderful and in his guest appearances over the past three years, he seems to feel like he made it.

MC Serch deserves a passing mention. I cannot believe Allen Knight has let this thread go on without a Lil Wyte mention. I don't like him much, but Mac Miller is skilled as hell and seems to be improving on not being a little punk dick.

The truth is El-P probably has had the best career of any white rapper other than Eminem/Beastie Boys and is definitely the one I listen to the most, even if I don't like his rap nearly as much as his production.

Bruh u kno i was about to say my dude lil wyte but haven't been on.

but yah lil wyte goat, fuck wat yah heard.

[Inno]

Asher roth

[Hush]

Lol is there even one ?

[Witty]

He's very talented. It will be interesting to see how long his shtick holds up.

Yeah his ability to switch things up when it gets stale will be his real test, we will wait and see.

[2tripple0]

Hahha funny shit u fucking smartass.... lol but on the real there aint many rappers in general.. white or black its beyond colours man probably more of a financial issue... dont know... the music charts are quite demanding..peepsll just set up shows now and again wuich isnt bad especially if its got ddope people who know how to reflect on a mic... so in general yeah rap is booming but its a process and it isnt finished yet,..,i think people will continue to drop and get there shine one way or another.... its become a bit of cult in all honesty which isnt cool... theres a lotta work that goes into beats and finding people to drop and or vote leave feed and shit mix ya shit write a song ya nah what im aaying... although when people like fabulous drop a hot new joint it has an impact and u can feel it cause it doesnt happen often...

[Mike Wrecka]

If we're talking second most successful white rapper I would say that goes to Macklemore. Not a fan at all but he sold a lot of records. Not counting Beasties cause they are a group.

If we're talking skill wise I'm gonna go with Ill Bill

[2tripple0]

Pitbulls alright too.. more a dancehall but still creative and a great party tunes like uhh what was it called hotel room service i think... anyways hes deffo second best pushed the envelop for a lotta rappers... interesting dude really...

[Allen Knight]

Pitbulls alright too.. more a dancehall but still creative and a great party tunes like uhh what was it called hotel room service i think... anyways hes deffo second best pushed the envelop for a lotta rappers... interesting dude really...

LOLLL fuckin dead at pitbull, smh.

[ill nik-A]

Nerds assemble

Gtfoh with that Aesop slug shit the fuck outta here

[ill nik-A]

Pittbull is Cuban and not white and he's party music pop

[2tripple0]

I think pitbulls actually latino and also cypress hill but im not sure they might be latino as well theres deffo a black dude who emcess idk how there whole staff roll i seen ghostface run with a couple white dudes in a video at like a live show er sumn... but yeah very scarce these hot white boys....

[2tripple0]

Yeah i just figured that out too... i knew that already just wasnt thinking deeply into races oh is pitbull white yeah he is you know what i mean...

[Fart]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYlJkF7wN5M

[ill nik-A]

lil dickie is entertaining but he's not the 2nd best ever at least he can't be yet

[2tripple0]

Lol enjoyed that... thanks for the vid bro.. dude rapping sou ded alright ahoulda tried to hit it on that physical notion like a jq track er sumn...

[2tripple0]

Nah he aint deffo second best thats the first i ever heard em tho...

[Fart]

1. Slim Shady
2. Eminem

[Kin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5v2ePtIH6w

[Inno]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsK-OxJQJP8

This white boy hard as fuck

[2tripple0]

Wicked cool that had me laughing to myself a bit..,, lol ra ruggedman never heard shit likemthat dopemdopewhen u find shit like that....

[2tripple0]

Aye vinnie paz always got some quality but ounce for ounce ya know what i mean???

[The Dead Poet]

who cares, white rappers suck.

[2tripple0]

Lol are u black dead poet, jw??

[The Dead Poet]

^no

[2tripple0]

Didnt think so i heard u on a tape once just one track though... keep up bro... like so i woulda guessed u were white? Are u whote??

[The Dead Poet]

^no, not white.

[2tripple0]

Wow that zurprizes me actually when i heard that tape i deffo woulda taken u for a white guy... anyways u keep up man from what ive heard of your shit u a tight dude deffo got talent really
Ike raw talent like loiue ptemier er like eryk bbut different in a lotta ways... but aye yeah.... music ill way to bring people together right??

[Fart]

Paz is white?

[Certain]

You can tell white rappers are trash because Vinnie Paz has been mentioned multiple times and wasn't even the best rapper in his group.

[2tripple0]

I never mentioned paz in fact paz is hit or miss at times... and thats a good question from that video that must be a white boy just the way he handles himself and the way he working it.... god knows though these days i had a boy once a half breed well actually a literal mutt he had a bit of everything in him.... anyways but he looked like latino i would say but shit qas ill cause he was like half black at the same time.... dope fucker real gifted with the gab... hardcore and all but give anybody a chance.... loved his techniques used to just think of approaches and shit.... anyways he was my boy for a while qe ran together between 06-09 interesting times really...a lotta records were produced then like conspicuous he was from the london underground hip hop scene deffo a white boy there for sure but a different kind a european white boy except hes from south england which is run by dark dark niggaz really.... anyways he put out a couple records maybe after he period i ran with my boy.... whose apparently hustled his shit and made it out his mommas house which was like always his dream... now he organizes parties and functions... cool kid right??

[NYCSPITZ]

Mac lethal. He can't match ems steelo, originality or rawness, but he is arguably NC topiCal goat tier wtiter (ashes to ashley ft sadistik). Also he doesn't need to sound like a wannabe black thug like paz or RA. eyedea and them r nice tho. Imo lethal Takes it for his lyricism, speed and message.

[2tripple0]

Hmm never heard of em i gonna search em him up now lol jk no seriously i will tho...

[NYCSPITZ]

Lol he just dropped an album. ..available free on utube

[2tripple0]

Utube sucks lol nah jk yeah u it up son..... like that wasnt stolen?? Dont know youtube yah know what i mean?? Its like being at a disco and just like flippin records and shit, decent really for the mass accounts it intakes.. i think they even have a rule if shit isnt popping off quick enuff it gets stalemated iykwim....

[oats]

I don't think I've ever read more than the first 8 words of a 2tripple0 post. But word NYC, Mac Lethal is dope.

[2tripple0]

Well then u missing out beother i aint a joke kid.... i aint a motherfucking joke... for real for real its hard to be prothetic at all times if you feel me, im not bothered, either way when u come at me we aint stopping until the motherfucking jobs done or til one of us is dead but i didnt want take it that far ... hear me brother?

[oats]

tried, couldn't make it past 8 words again so I don't know what you ain't. my guess? A MAN.

[uh-oh]

You can tell white rappers are trash because Vinnie Paz has been mentioned multiple times and wasn't even the best rapper in his group.

jus allah was only good early on though

paz was good for awhile so there is that. throughout the aotp albums and shit

even up to that cheesesteaks shit.

jus allah is unbearable and has been for awhile since he switched to his just yelling constant couplets style lol

all that said i still can't get hype for paz either haha.

i still think its gotta be bronson though, and i would put paz next

white rappers suck

lets talk white producers

alchemist is probably the EM. who is #2 THOUGHHH

[oats]

the fact that Action Bronson, who has been rapping on a legitimate scale for like 5 years, is nonironically in the discussion as one of the greatest white rappers, shows how terrible white people are at rapping. I still think Bubba is a superior MC and artist to him, though.

[Certain]

If The Alchemist is Eminem, Rick Rubin is the Beastie Boys.

[uh-oh]

Word

If the beastie boys were able to maintain relevance it would fit even better

But honestly i cant even talk beastie boys because it was before me and i never got it

[ill nik-A]

Beastie boys are legends!

[Certain]

To the 5 Boroughs came out in 2004 and is great. Hot Sauce Committee Part 2 came out in 2011 and is very good.

[uh-oh]

If you say so. Id look into it but in my mind they are the fight for your right to party guys and the robot godzilla video and the check to check check check it out guys lol

I never really looked into them past like what could actually break through

[Certain]

As a person who loves samples, you should give Paul's Boutique a shot. You probably won't like it because your rap tastes are specific as hell, but it's great and you'll at least have to respect the absurd Dust Brothers production.

[ill nik-A]

License to ill is one of the best revolutionary rap albums of all time

[2tripple0]

Dont agree.. and your right about white guys we suck.. were shit.... duckin snakes really..

[2tripple0]

My writings shit as well ur r8ght i cant even tead it anymore... problem with white people right theres al different ypes of white dudes its not just like qhite anymore its white this white that u know what im saying... actually personally white people man its too difficult to just say white people anymore theres more than just the crackers and watch how you sya that down in the confederate army ya know wha im saying?? A lotta people just picture white people as crackers... ykwis...

[Greed]

I would much rather listen to RA then paz

[Aero]

Genocide is the 2nd greatest.

[El Muffin]

Trinidad James, nigga

[Geno]

Genocjde man.. Come on

Idk.. Certainly debateable
U got..

Apathy
Copywrite
R.a. the rugged man
Vinnie paz

The fuckin list goes onn. Those 4 firstbto mind

[Geno]

Genocide is the 2nd greatest.

My nikka

[Witty]

Vote 2crip.