do you use one of these banks?

[boof]

Wells Fargo
Chase
US Bank
CitiGroup/Citibank
SunTrust
ING Bank
Citizens Bank
Comerica Bank
PNC Bank
Bank of America
Credit Suisse
HSBC Bank

december 1st close that shit in solidarity with standing rock

smooches

[~RustyGunZ~]

lol

[kannon]

Why do I get the feeling you work at some coffee shop that serves strictly artisanal brews and free-range scones. Somewhere where you can listen to Enya, wear your hemp sandals and all the white girls have dreadlocks.

[uh-oh]

booth have you looked into the standing rock thing? in my 5 minutes of research i read that basically the pipeline contacted everyone well in advance to discuss routes, the standing rock sioux ignored it, they still went around there reservation. where everyone is protesting is private land, none of it was purchased by eminent domain, its literally farmers that are allowing the pipeline to be built through their land. the people protesting are actually trespassing and the police can't remove them because "free speech".

and there is ALREADY A PIPELINE. thats what confuses me the most. they want to basically run one right beside the one thats already down there.

i dont get it. i've ignored it because i have my own worries.

i like cheap oil. lets get our oil to our markets quicker. the natives are given enough money by the government to live off bottled water if they wish

fuck em

TO THE VICTOR GOES THE SPOILS LOL

but nah seriously though enlighten me to the hippie side of things

[uh-oh]

ps. i've also become a bitter contrarian asshole somewhere down the line and for some reason feel the need to argue the unpopular side of everything lol

[~RustyGunZ~]

BoA def gonna back down once boof takes his 20 bucks out and bids them adieu

[boof]

uh-oh if you check out the treaty of 1851 you'll see the east border of the land promised to the natives is the river where the pipeline is going to be drilled underneath of. yes, there are a thousand pipelines that already exist, this protest has turned into basically get off of the natives land, plus, we don't want anymore pipelines built. there have been over 200 pipeline leaks and explosions since 2010 just from sunoco logistics alone. you can check wikipedia for the insane list of overall mishaps in america, you'll notice the lists get longer and longer as you get closer to 2016. alabama georgia and i believe tenessee have all been declared in states of emergency in the last 3 months from pipeline explosions. but, reasons this protest is important

1, the pipeline was going to be built through bismarck until the people complained of the risk of water contamination, then it was redirected through native lands.

2, the pipeline company still doesnt have its final easement from the army corps of engineers to drill under the river

3, a 21 yo lost her hand due to being hit directly by a concussion grenade, and will likely lose her arm. a lady was shot directly in her eye with a rubber bullet, point blank, and will likely lose her vision. an elderly lady went into cardiac arrest. another man was shot point blank in both of his kneecaps by a officer who he claims was smiling prior to shooting. protesters were hosed down for hours with water in 22 degree weather. edit; she was hit in the eye with a tear gas canister not a rubber bullet.

4, the point is 7 police forces from out of state plus the national guard have shown up and closed off roads, barricaded bridges, and put barbed wire around an ancient burial ground and have been camped out on top of that burial ground for weeks, with snipers, tasers, shotguns, mace, and everything else i mentioned, for the sole purpose of attacking unarmed protesters when they try to visit their burial ground. like. think about that. if you went to a cemetary, actually your families' cemetary, to visit your dead relatives, and militarized police were set up to point guns at you and hose you down for getting too close. its insane.


5, natives are supposed to be sovereign people. they do not have to go searching for town hall meetings about things like this. farmers do not own the land and if they do they obtained it against the promises of the land treaties. but if you could show me the sources where you found that information i'd really like to see it, because nobody that has said what you're saying has been able to show me a source. not saying it doesnt exist, i just havent been able to find it.

6, all of this is happening because the oil company is paying these police forces and private mercenaries to protect their profit interests,

7, a man actually showed up dressed as a protester, with an assault rifle, seemingly to shoot off some rounds making it look like the protesters showing agression. the truck the man showed up in was registered to the pipeline company. luckily he was arrested but. they are doing everything they can to make it okay to really fuck these people up

and remember, there are hella kids and old ladies. they are literally just joining in prayer at the frontlines most of the time before cops escalate the situation.

but also if you're still not against big oil at this point then i understand why you don't get it

[boof]

december 5th they planned to forcefully remove all 12,000 protesters that have been living in a field by the construction site for the last several months.

hundreds of ex police and veterans have vowed to show up and protect the protesters on december 4th

once that got out the police have now changed the date to december 2nd, they will come and tear down everyones shelter, in freezing temperatures.

so, if you can't be there or send supplies, putting a dent in the customer base of these banks all on the same day is a pretty effective thing to do.

[boof]

Why do I get the feeling you work at some coffee shop that serves strictly artisanal brews and free-range scones. Somewhere where you can listen to Enya, wear your hemp sandals and all the white girls have dreadlocks.

i really don't know but that sounds like an okay job?

[uh-oh]

i'm about to go to my moms and eat thanksgiving dinner lmao. we didnt do it thursday because people were working. but i'll get back to this

i for sure read that the 1851 treaty was negated by another, and the standing rock have 0 claim to those lands, and i for sure read that 100 percent of the land was bought from farmers and shit

but word i'll try and link you later so you can have more ammo to throw at the machine and be from a more informed opinion, informed on the oppositions arguments i mean

but yea mentioning the protestor casualties doesn't seem like a valid defense when they are trespassing on private property, but again from the view i read its private property, and the only reason they aren't being forcefully removed is to protect their free speech shit

imagine chilling at your house and 1000 people decide to camp in your yard and you call the cops to get them to leave and they're like well they're practicing the right to free speech lol

but again contrarian uhoh

now to the turkey

[boof]

yeah i don't think that's real man. especially when some of the protests are taking place on a public road or at their burial ground. if the land of the burial ground has been sold i think that's an even bigger problem. again, since the natives were given sovereignty. imagine if you had a country and then someone came and murdered everyone you knew and then said here you can keep this house, and then one day they say this isnt your house anymore we sold it, get out, we're gonna put some oil under your water supply because those other people said they dont want it under their water supply. oh you don't like that? we're bringing the military in.

but yeah please show me where you read that shit

if it's breitbart i'm killing you

[boof]

also they've set up 'free speech zones' so that's not the reason either.

[Dope girl]

I use Wells Fargo

[Dope girl]

I tried too bank service no good
rip ppl off

[Dope girl]

I mean I can't take out current amount
back than you can take out more ppl get robbed so they change it

[boof]

i use wells fargo too, they're the worst, switch to a credit union.

[Dope girl]

I agree

[~RustyGunZ~]

Oh man Wikipedia said something happened?

Big boof landing a brutal blow to billionaire big oil Ben with his 20 dollar pull out and canned bean reinforcements on the frontline

[boof]

did you forget you already made that joke?

come on boss im sure you dont think netcees is the first and only place i'm reaching out to

[~RustyGunZ~]

Oh man big guy boof "the troof" boof taking it to the rim with that stronghold on his life savings of 20 dollars getting AT MY THROAT

SHEESH

You've persuaded me man refried beans on the way bro

[oats]

I have Korea Exchange Bank. Lmk how culpable they are and I will act accordingly.

[boof]

^you're good to go

Milk of Magnesia
Wool socks
Wool blankets
Space blankets
Hand warmers
Trauma kits (portable)
Funding for advanced practitioner gear
Funding for climate-controlled storage
Straw bales
Two 4WD trucks for medic vehicles
One of these for medic evac vehicles:
http://argoatv.com/products/frontier-8x8-responder-s


Standing Rock Medic & Healer Council
Attn: Michael
220 E Rosser Ave, #1251
Bismarck, ND 58502

^donations

[Greed]

Man i got enough problems and i need my banks

[boof]

all you gotta do is switch homie

credit unions are nonprofit and way doper anyways, it's not like you're gonna lose money. or just use someone local.

[~RustyGunZ~]

People with fucking jobs don't have time to get to banks during business hours to close,their accounts and then open a new one in protest you piece of garbage

[uh-oh]

i tried finding the article i read and can't now. which is fishy

i doubt it was a news type article though i think it was from like the pipelines page itself, pretty sure i just googled dapl or dakota access pipeline facts or something like that and it was one of the first links, but none of those have it now so word

im non committal either way.

i like indians but i like cheap gas and heat. i don't care about big oil destroying the climate, i'm in ohio and it was 70 degrees during the world series in cleveland. i don't live on a coastal city if they go under fuck it. ANARCHY BRAH

[boof]

People with fucking jobs don't have time to get to banks during business hours to close,their accounts and then open a new one in protest you piece of garbage

lol come on brother, i have 3 jobs, still doing it. i havent gotten one person on board that doesn't have a job. no need for excuses, if you don't want to do it that's fine. but i'm pretty positive we could figure out a time for you to go ;)

[boof]

i tried finding the article i read and can't now. which is fishy

i doubt it was a news type article though i think it was from like the pipelines page itself, pretty sure i just googled dapl or dakota access pipeline facts or something like that and it was one of the first links, but none of those have it now so word

im non committal either way.

i like indians but i like cheap gas and heat. i don't care about big oil destroying the climate, i'm in ohio and it was 70 degrees during the world series in cleveland. i don't live on a coastal city if they go under fuck it. ANARCHY BRAH

i mean if you're cool with having tap water filled with oil for the rest of yours and your childrens/nieces/nephews lives and not being able to go in a river without a hazmat suit on and literally having no choice but to stay in ohio as the coasts all flood for absolutely no reason other than money you'll never see flooding the pockets of men creating new laws and stripping your freedoms one year at a time then you're good to go

[uh-oh]

i live off coca cola, beer, cigs and animal flesh. to me its literally not an issue. i'm white dawg. and i moved to the white suburbs. no worries over here.

but nah seriously though, has anyone from standing rock proposed a new path for the pipeline?

[Witty]

I admire your commitment, I like to see people dedicated enough to a cause they believe in to actually take action and not just talk about it.

You're not going to find a lot of support here tho.

[millz]

https://m.facebook.com/notes/scott-gates/on-the-standing-rock-tribes-dakota-pipeline-protest-/10154529600627457/



This could be the information UhOh was referring too.

Regardless of the claims by the people for or against the pipeline I think we can all agree that the force and activities the police are applying to the protestors is excessive. Extremely excessive.

[boof]

thank you for that link, really appreciate it.

[Greed]

They are doing the most but idk. I cant imagine the need to go through there being so vital the police would aggressively treat protestors that way.

[boof]

btw uh-oh just wanted to point out your comment about fossil fuel energy being cheap. it's not. and it's not cheaper than renewable. and if true free market capitalism existed, which i feel like you're an advocate of, then we would have switched to wind and solar a long time ago. it is only crony capitalism and massive amounts of lobbying keeping this industry alive and well.

[uh-oh]

agreed, but its cheap, that can't be denied. renewable energy may be cheaper if our entire country was already set up for it. but its not. so to make the switch would be ridiculously expensive. you also gotta keep in mind its bigger than keeping lights on. i work in a small body shop that has to run big compressors, a giant booth that bakes cars and is climate controlled, heating the place etc.

so much of our infrastructure is set up for gas that to change it all overnight would be ridiculous.

but the "free market" we allegedly exist in, is actually moving in that direction slowly, with innovations from the tesla dude and them. i can see us transitioning, i just don't see it as cheap at all. I also can't imagine how many natural minerals or whatever like lithium would be needed to create the batteries needed for every home, let alone every factory and place of business. how much electricity needs to be created and harnessed just to power a single wal mart lol

when you look at the big picture fossil fuels are pretty cheap and efficient. its not great for the enviornment sure, but realistically right now its our best bet. as more innovation is made that could be different.

[boof]

it's only moving slowly because the fossil fuel industry and it's utility companies are holding energy hostage in a lot of different states. imposing tax hikes on homeowners for switching to renewable. passing legislation to make it impossible. it's not 'slowly' rising due to innovations. the technology has existed, the technology is cheaper, and no, setting it up wouldn't be expensive. you could literally power the world with a solar field the size of germany. you could power the united states with a solar field the size of rhode island or some shit. and you can power anything in your body shop with it. there are countries that are already 100% renewable, and there is a city in the united states that is already 100% renewable. make no mistakes, it is very very possible to have made, or make now, the switch to renewable, and it is only the power of lobbying and legislation that has prevented us from switching. saying its our best bet is just 100% inaccurate.

[uh-oh]

youre just misunderstanding me

i never said it was impossible, i was saying its a giant investment, meaning its very far from cheap switching to it. our entire infrastructure is built to burn fossil fuels. its cheaper to just keep this going how it is, because of how much of an undertaking it is to change it all.

when i'm talking innovations i mean affordable realistic things that the common person can do. a tesla is relatively affordable for example. its becoming affordable to switch to a completely renewable system in your own home. you can't act like its always been this way, with all technologies shit is stupid expensive as they come out, until those technologies get streamlined and are able to be put out cheaper and still make a profit

because thats what its about. when these renewable energy guys can make everything for prices that can compete with big oil, and make it more convenient to switch, people will. unless of course they are restricted

like im pretty sure i heard 3rd hand on a podcast about a comedian setting up his house with all solar, but he still is legally required to be hooked to the regular electrical grid

that type of shit is retarded, we can agree there.

but yea i'm basically just talking about making the change make sense to the common person. and also the person making the stuff. if i own a company that makes solar panels and it costs me 100 dollars to make one, i can't sell it for 101 dollars. i got employees, i got the building i got expenses blah blah blah. its not at a place where a company can make money and make these things so that people can buy them.

thats why they try to legislate it, because in the actual business world it doesnt make sense. normal people ain't gonna buy it. but if they can get the government to pay for it they can do it.

[Awww Shit]

Why do I get the feeling you work at some coffee shop that serves strictly artisanal brews and free-range scones. Somewhere where you can listen to Enya, wear your hemp sandals and all the white girls have dreadlocks.

It might be that avy of a dude picking up trash with a stick


Also, I'll take a mocha - double espresso

[kannon]

Im actually gonna go open new accounts with US Bank tomorrow.

And not because Im trying to be a dick or anything. I have my auto loan with them, and they offer free accounts if you have any credit product with them. Then I can just split my direct deposit, and make payments online. SO EASY.

[uh-oh]

my bank merged with another bank and is now a new bank on the 3rd or something

i got a new card and checks. i gotta figure out how the FUCK to make an account and all that though, i havent been to a bank in years. mobile deposit YO. need my online functionality

[boof]

youre just misunderstanding me

i never said it was impossible, i was saying its a giant investment, meaning its very far from cheap switching to it. our entire infrastructure is built to burn fossil fuels. its cheaper to just keep this going how it is, because of how much of an undertaking it is to change it all.

when i'm talking innovations i mean affordable realistic things that the common person can do. a tesla is relatively affordable for example. its becoming affordable to switch to a completely renewable system in your own home. you can't act like its always been this way, with all technologies shit is stupid expensive as they come out, until those technologies get streamlined and are able to be put out cheaper and still make a profit

because thats what its about. when these renewable energy guys can make everything for prices that can compete with big oil, and make it more convenient to switch, people will. unless of course they are restricted

like im pretty sure i heard 3rd hand on a podcast about a comedian setting up his house with all solar, but he still is legally required to be hooked to the regular electrical grid

that type of shit is retarded, we can agree there.

but yea i'm basically just talking about making the change make sense to the common person. and also the person making the stuff. if i own a company that makes solar panels and it costs me 100 dollars to make one, i can't sell it for 101 dollars. i got employees, i got the building i got expenses blah blah blah. its not at a place where a company can make money and make these things so that people can buy them.

thats why they try to legislate it, because in the actual business world it doesnt make sense. normal people ain't gonna buy it. but if they can get the government to pay for it they can do it.

you made my point for me in bold, i don't get it.

beyond that, it has been affordable for years. in every state where it's allowed and offered, a very large percentage of home owners have opted for it, and a large percentage have saved money from the first month of installation. they charge $1,000-$5,000 per panel, and it's still extremely affordable for the customer in states where federal rebates are available. the long term savings are ridiculous. and again, it's always cheaper than fossil fuel, from the start. it only doesn't exist in places like ohio because the state denied the federal rebate program and approved a price per kw that's really not worth it, to protect big oil, who funds their campaigns. its pretty simple really. but what you're saying, is straight horse shit.

[uh-oh]

in the long run of course its cheaper. all i've been saying is its stupid expensive for our entire country to switch over. for some reason you are just looking past that?

if it was as cheap and easy as you are making it out to be, it would be done. its not. of course lobbyists fight it. big oil is tremendous. im saying thats besides the point, take big oil magically off the table. its still a gigantic undertaking, which costs $$$$

all ive been saying. you make it seem like all we need to do is set up some solar panels and call it a day.

[uh-oh]

to put it more plainly

the united states used 1,075,000,000 kilowatts of power in 2014.

https://www.eia.gov/beta/international/data/browser/#/?pa=0000000000000000000004&c=ruvvvvvfvtvnvv1urvvvvfvvvvvvfvvvou20evvvvvvvvvnv vuvo&ct=0&tl_id=2-A&vs=INTL.2-7-AFG-MK.A&ord=SA&vo=0&v=H&start=1980&end=2014

now lets look at the most efficient solar energy plants in the nation, in the mojave desert

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_power_plants_in_the_Mojave_Desert

it cost $1,600,000,000 just to build one power plant that produces 250 megawatts. 1 megawatt is 1000 kilowatts. that means its basically 6.4 million for each megawatt.

so lets say all these conditions are perfect, the mojave desert has the space blah blah. just to build THE POWER PLANTS, and those alone, not taking upkeep etc in mind, is over $6,400,000,000,000. thats 6.4 trillion dollars, to have enough power plants to put out 1 million kilowatts.

imagine how much power is going to need to be generated to power everyones tesla that needs to be recharged every 300 miles. what about the semis that deliver everything. what about actually converting places that have gas heat to electric, etc.

and keep in mind that it costs MORE to produce the energy at a solar plant than it does by burning fossil fuels, but again with more innovation it could change

In 2008, solar electricity was not cost competitive with bulk, baseload power. However, it does provide electricity when and where power is most limited and most expensive, which is a strategic contribution. Solar electricity mitigates the risk of fuel-price volatility and improves grid reliability.[6] Since then costs have decreased to make solar electricity increasingly competitive.[7]:p.13

but yea its horseshit. its big oil mannnnnn

[Diode]

i use lloyd banks

[boof]

we did it yall. final easement denied.

big thanks to everyone that helped

[~RustyGunZ~]

we did it yall. final easement denied.

big thanks to everyone that helped

you didnt do shit faggot

[boof]

i mean that's just innaccurate