I'm telling you right now, Nas probably has his best opponent yet gunning for him.....

[Chyeahhh!!!]

And Royce is gonna make him dig deep down to come out the vic....if he can

[Ghost1]

Nas shit was garbo on that new Khaled....

Can I get some background on this beef?

Are there any tracks .... subliminals....


Cmon man don't chyeahh me here

[Chyeahhh!!!]

Ya'll are the kings, kings, kings, I'll role up and squeeze, ya'll are the king kings kings, well I'm bout to see

Royce been talking about "eating kings, cleaning up/ retiring yah fav rapper" for about 2 years now. Yes braggadocio talk includes this but for some reason I'm I'm thinking it means more. See below

Somewhere between Prhyme (last time he gave Nas props) and now (with giving crown props to Jay, Em, and Wayne) something went sour dunno which side it came from. If you remember Royce exclaimed on the track "Truth or Truth" with Slaughterhouse, "Jayz is God to me, Nas is god to me" yet the cloth talk since then has excluded Nas

Nas takes crazy sublimes, all through out his career at numerous cats, but I haven't caught any from his side towards Royce dunno could have missed being he's king of slick, 2nd to only me. Anyway. Royce is known of for making a mount rushmore outta an ant hill so who knows.

I do know Nas was interested in signing Royce back in mid 2000's but nothing came of it.

[Chyeahhh!!!]

Bar Exam 2, it seemed like Royce had a new opponent he was gearing for, this turned out to be Joe Budden, later squashed, but damn near every track jabs were thrown. They even joked about this later. Royce was in heavy sparring mode during this. Seems he's of the same mindset now with BE4.

[sral]

lmao seems like you reading a whole lot of nothing into something that isnt there

just for a change

[Destroyer]

But will they battle before elenin destroys us all?

[Ghost1]

lmao at elenin

word to the exclusion of mentions in the legends homage tho

I will say this........Royce on BE4 is bordering on a skill set in rhyming that has never been achieved

kindve surprised no1 talked much about the tape. personally I was floored at how insanely he was barring out on damn near every track.

[Allen Knight]

Yea, he dont want a royce diss track.
He'd bury nas tbh.

[trapezoidal]

I don't know why I was actually expecting youtube videos and / or press links from reputable hiphop magazine and online outlets...

[uh-oh]

Nas>

[Chyeahhh!!!]

lmao at elenin

word to the exclusion of mentions in the legends homage tho

I will say this........Royce on BE4 is bordering on a skill set in rhyming that has never been achieved

kindve surprised no1 talked much about the tape. personally I was floored at how insanely he was barring out on damn near every track.

Word. When those freestyles dropped beginning if 2017 I was like this will be remembered as the year where Royce decided to go nuts

[Zaddy]

Not your usual type of post cheaya

Disappointed

[Finnydot]

lmao at elenin

word to the exclusion of mentions in the legends homage tho

I will say this........Royce on BE4 is bordering on a skill set in rhyming that has never been achieved

kindve surprised no1 talked much about the tape. personally I was floored at how insanely he was barring out on damn near every track.

I thought about making a thread a few weeks ago, but I didn't think anyone was fucking with him. Surprised you're not hating. Royce been shitting tho. BE3 was a little ho-hum IMO. Not that he wasn't ripping, just the beat selection. BE4 will stack up on anyone as far as bars. That slaughter house track was godly.

Royce is my favorite right now out of anyone still doing it. Just makes shit albums besides his first 2.

[Warthog Lite]

Really we are talking about lyrical talent here? Give a fuck. .... it's like dissing 2pac or biggie. ... like stfu royce ( if he is even saying anything)

opportunities wouldn't be available if it wasn't for rappers like nas, stfu and pay homage, royce and anyone else in here talking shit about nas....

[Ghost1]

I wish there were still other people left on this site worth talking to
About rap

Good chat chyin

[Warthog Lite]

Why was what I said not a valid opinion for you?

Are you implying that nas didn't pave the way for hiphop?

[Warthog Lite]

I'm not saying that I think royce is trash by any means, let's make that clear.... just don't think he should be pushing at him. If nas throwing punches first or whatever have you then that's a different story.

[Ghost1]

It's more so your analogy I didn't care for

Its nothing like dissing big or pac

I get your meaning by saying they and Nas are/were pioneers

But that's not good enough to float that entire analogy because the comparison takes other avenues into consideration


The most important one being that Nas is able to respond


And it's not even a rocks at the throne scenario at this critically low portion of Nas career anyhow

Rap always has been and always will be a show and prove sport

No1 that is ACTIVELY in the game gets immunity from incoming threats or challengers

I'd refute your claim that Nas is/was as instrumental in paving the way for hip hop as much as you alluded to as well but that's not really a topic I care to pick up....

Especially since for me in this current discussion it's irrelevant as indicated by my earlier point

Lastly the other off putting portion of ur comment was that royce strength lies only in lyrical prowess which is just ..... I mean it's really fucking stupid?

So basically everything you said made it painfully clear to me that you have absolutely no grasp whatsoever on the topic being discussed and really from everything I can gather here a complete lack of base level knowledge in the game at all

That you said the shit was obnoxious enough....but the fact that even after I passed over your idiotic attempt in joining the discussion....you had to ask me to tell you why it was moronic speaks volumes to the breed of blind stupidity that you're infected with.

[Warthog Lite]

Okay well I did say that but I did just really mean it like to me seemed like there was an argument about who's the better rapper and who would beat who...


And what I think nas paved the way for is emcees in his city/genre to come up.... not rap/hiphop as a whole....

Your clearly a smart man when it comes to music and for me it's about paying respect in my opinion no matter what the music genre is.

But it's clear you don't want to conversate with me and that's cool, see ya around!

[WRATH]

It's more so your analogy I didn't care for

Its nothing like dissing big or pac

I get your meaning by saying they and Nas are/were pioneers

But that's not good enough to float that entire analogy because the comparison takes other avenues into consideration


The most important one being that Nas is able to respond


And it's not even a rocks at the throne scenario at this critically low portion of Nas career anyhow

Rap always has been and always will be a show and prove sport

No1 that is ACTIVELY in the game gets immunity from incoming threats or challengers

I'd refute your claim that Nas is/was as instrumental in paving the way for hip hop as much as you alluded to as well but that's not really a topic I care to pick up....

Especially since for me in this current discussion it's irrelevant as indicated by my earlier point

Lastly the other off putting portion of ur comment was that royce strength lies only in lyrical prowess which is just ..... I mean it's really fucking stupid?

So basically everything you said made it painfully clear to me that you have absolutely no grasp whatsoever on the topic being discussed and really from everything I can gather here a complete lack of base level knowledge in the game at all

That you said the shit was obnoxious enough....but the fact that even after I passed over your idiotic attempt in joining the discussion....you had to ask me to tell you why it was moronic speaks volumes to the breed of blind stupidity that you're infected with.

Enjoyable read. I'll check out BE4.The last time i was impressed by lyrics was FWA so its been a minute.

[WRATH]

3 and a half songs in

Yeah this shits tough. I cant listen to this type of rap casually anymore but i appreciate this.

Lol, just let it play through the mask off beat

Yeah this tough let me stop.

[uh-oh]

Lastly the other off putting portion of ur comment was that royce strength lies only in lyrical prowess which is just ..... I mean it's really fucking stupid?



that really is all he has going for him though

his flows are dope, but alot of that has to do with "the lyricism" and or how he writes and structures his shit which goes in the "lyrical prowess" column in my book

but yea i want to like royce he just makes shit music. premier can't even help him.

if he didn't corn it up i could get behind him more.

i respect his pen. beyond that who gives a shit

[WRATH]

Damn it see thats what i mean. He is missing here and there. If its not a universal truth or close to it i cannot bump condone it.

Maybe hes pandering to his audience. If thats the case whatever but still i cannot draw energy from this music. If i wanted cutthroat freestyles in this fashion id pick some eminem freestyles.
But hes active so i cant totally hate.

Nah yeah he is off thats not cool. Thats part of it man you gotta be on beat he doesnt hesitate to sacrifice the vibe for a punchline.

Haha, im torn because when hes on hes on.

Alright ima stop for real.

[WRATH]

I had another response explaining that was still my review and not a response to uh oh, and a few more songs reviewed but it got erased. Main point was is his inconsistency and his almost unwillingness to fix it because on paper its solid. If its off here and there fuck it. I remember having this problem with him back in the day thats why i stopped following him originally.

[Ghost1]

lyrical prowess is not the same as mic presence

you could never spit his bars off his pad the way he does uh oh....that's why his flow doesn't fall into the lyricism category



the rest of the past handful of comments from both you guys tho id tend to agree with

he do be on some corny shit sometimes.......but man other times he just be in the MATRIX like everything he sayin is tuff and I look at the track timer and he been going off for like 4min straight like wtf!?! just going OFF.

as far as him riding the beat I feel like hes on WAY more then hes off.....it is noticeable when hes off tho....and frustrating


but as far as rather just knock some em ? man I feel like this is the best version and least corniest em product you going to get.

but yea ultimately its a niche taste for fans of the craft.......but hes doing more than displaying writing talent


as far as the actual topic tho......nas not really a song maker either? not for me.....but again I suppose that's subjective never really loved nas. he gets play but not a personal fav.

[Geno]

Lol. R.i.p. nasir jones

Except i dou t its gonna happen. You rly think nas would step to this? Hell nah. Hes been basically doing nothing for way to long and royce is in his fucking prhyme if you ask me. Idk. Maybe not. But did he ever step out of his prhyme.?

Nas would be a fo to even take this on in the slightest. Its genious for royce tho... Destroyinf a mainstream legend the right way would definitely shove his fan base i to outerspace as lo g as he demolishes shit. Which he will. I can only hope this would happen.. But rly i know ita not going to

[Finnydot]

Royce doesn't write anymore, btw. He's been doing the Jay-z thing where they're technically freestyles but rehearsed if that makes sense. And his "off beat" lines are never really off beat per se since he often will bring back the same scheme and rock it for a couple bars to make it make sense. That's one thing I've noticed about Big Sean as well. Even when he sounds off beat, he's not, because he carries it a few more bars to clean it up. I actually respect that because you take a risk and make it pay off. That's some next level type shit, not a detriment.

[WRATH]

Nah new wayne is next level and big sean is off a microscopic amount. I could have got over royce being off sometimes if the content was strong but he had a reddit line that made me question his manhood. Hes a little unpredictable with schemes yeah he saves it here and there but what i think is frustrating is that he had enough good lines to make flawless tracks. Instead he powered through on some ultimate rhymer shit, which would have been okay, if he was never off. I lost the rhyme more then a handful of times. I will give royce consistency over em but thats why em doesn't drop all the time he has to work out the kinks. Not new em tho new em halfway sounds like this thats why i cant listen to him either.

Nas would be an idiot to battle this type of rapper anyways best he should do is a passing jab. He need to worry about his cd keeping up with 4:44 anyways ive been worried about him ever since that came out rt.

[Finnydot]

Nas ain't gotta worry about shit. His spot been solidified since his first album. It's just a pride thing to defend his spot now, he ain't never gonna lose it. Dudes put out way more garbage albums than anyone I know of and still gets his spot for Illmatic. Stillmatic and God's Son are just icing on his proverbial cake. Everything else he's done is garbage but it doesn't detract from his legend at all.

[WRATH]

Hip hop is dead and life is good are dope. I am and it was written had its moments.

Am i the only one who thinks stillmatic better then illmatic? Or are you not supposed to rate it like that?

[Geno]

Royce doesn't write anymore, btw. He's been doing the Jay-z thing where they're technically freestyles but rehearsed if that makes sense. And his "off beat" lines are never really off beat per se since he often will bring back the same scheme and rock it for a couple bars to make it make sense. That's one thing I've noticed about Big Sean as well. Even when he sounds off beat, he's not, because he carries it a few more bars to clean it up. I actually respect that because you take a risk and make it pay off. That's some next level type shit, not a detriment.


I do this as well.

[Geno]

Nas ain't gotta worry about shit. His spot been solidified since his first album. It's just a pride thing to defend his spot now, he ain't never gonna lose it. Dudes put out way more garbage albums than anyone I know of and still gets his spot for Illmatic. Stillmatic and God's Son are just icing on his proverbial cake. Everything else he's done is garbage but it doesn't detract from his legend at all.

It was written and i am are both sick to me.
His first 3.. Then he started getting sketch with that nastradamus shit

[Geno]

Having said that..
Death is certain is a god album imo. Which i could listen to just as much as anything in nas catergory. As well as bar exam 1 and 2. 3 and 4 are also dope but more flexing shit. Whereas he couldve dropped BE 1 and 2 as albums imo

[sral]

yo where do i find this BE4 though?

[WRATH]

Only thing im mad about is he had enough good lines to make flawless tracks. Too much filler

[PancakeBrah]

That quapdruple post of no avy negative rep posters was a lot to scroll through but I managed not to read a word.

[WRATH]

Clout level denied

[Warthog Lite]

yo where do i find this BE4 though?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://mobile.datpiff.com/mixtape/849525&ved=0ahUKEwi909eQj5fWAhXFOSYKHS7LAoAQFgglMAA&usg=AFQjCNFYu5LTwpEBq5ku-gLn56urRkU9kg

[ill nik-A]

Nas been boring for years.. his fast paced shit is dope. That slow it down preach shit garbo

[Warthog Lite]

Do you like his song What goes around?

[Geno]

yo where do i find this BE4 though?

Datpiff.com has all 4. Free DL

[Warthog Lite]

That was already said Mr.2tripsilver....

[Chyeahhh!!!]

*update*

"ugly chain for nothin, on my Nas shit" on Bar Exam 4, don't think I mentioned that line.

now we have Prhyme 2 on the track, "Gotta Love it"

"Been payin' my dues so long feel like niggas owe me
Get Nas on the phone, how can I help out with my nigga Boldy"

Now Boldy is Boldy James from Detroit and was signed in 2014 to Nas's new label Mass Appeal and hasn't released anything since FYI but the wording in which the bar is relayed in bold holds some meaning IMO.

Royce also slaughtered the funk flex freestyle a few weeks back to Nas "NY state of Mind" which also is produced by Preme who also produced PRyhme 1 and 2.

Like I said before I think Royce has some sort of bone to pick with Nas to some degree. We all know Royce name drops almost as bad a The Game does but the thing is to keep coming back on a consistent basis to the same mc may have some merit.

[Geno]

This will never escalate though. Even if there is merrit. Would like to see it go down but doubt it ever will. I dont have nas ever taking the time to humor it tbh

[uh-oh]

This is by far the strangest conspiracy chyeaa subscribes to

[Rude]

I've seen Royce repeatedly say he plans to jump back into battle rap which could be a double edge sword for him like it was Budden.

does he have the writing talent to stand amongst the best of battle rap right now? Of course. No one can deny that, but does he possess the crowd control that the battlers have mastered? probably not.

on the subject of him vs Nas. While Nas does have easily the most universally known diss track ever made imo.... I think Royce would take the W. He's the only person I've ever seen take a clear shot at Em and even Em didn't want that smoke. (We Ridin'/Malcolm X) clearly shit on D12 as a group and called Em out several times.

On the subject of Royce himself ..... Death Is Certain is still my favorite album and in constant rotation on my playlist, as is some of his other tracks/albums. Prhyme/Layers was really good too. (haven't listened to Prhyme 2 yet) I think Bar Exam 2 was my favorite of the series so far but I'd have to listen to all 4 again cuz it's been a while.

[Aero]

Not your usual type of post cheaya

Disappointed

Shut the hell up.

[Chyeahhh!!!]

This is by far the strangest conspiracy chyeaa subscribes to

This is a conspiracy?

[Elemental P]

I haven't checked out anything new of Royce yet but been meaning to.
Nas is dope but never been a fan, just not my style of what I like. I don't even like Em that much but I respect their talent.

Bar for bar tho Nas would get Ethered lol