HW Boxing

[ACTIVATE SELF]

Yo, did anyone else here watch the Deontay Wilder vs Luis Ortiz fight last night?

Wilder can be one sloppy lookin ass boxer at times OR maybe unorthodox is a better word to use. Regardless, he had some nice slips here and there, and being the devastating puncher that he is, he's always exciting to watch. Ortiz had some good moments, but I think he's just too far past his prime to really hang with a young bomber such as Wilder.

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Wilder vs Joshua need to happen soon

the HW division as a whole pretty boring to me tbh

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Watch the fight , fam. It was an instant classic.

But word. That would be the biggest HW fight in near a decade and some change.

[Kill Spree]

Amen

[El Muffin]

Wilder fucked him up at the end yo

Those punches had some velocity on em oh boy

Ortiz took em like a boss tho ...even getting tko d the way he did was impressive

[Nick James]

is lennox lewis still the champ?

Miocic head shots ftw

[Clout]

Yo, did anyone else here watch the Deontay Wilder vs Luis Ortiz fight last night?

Wilder can be one sloppy lookin ass boxer at times OR maybe unorthodox is a better word to use. Regardless, he had some nice slips here and there, and being the devastating puncher that he is, he's always exciting to watch. Ortiz had some good moments, but I think he's just too far past his prime to really hang with a young bomber such as Wilder.

He sucks in the boxing skill/fundamental department YES SUCKS. But his ATHLETICISM is amazing. His power is god given and unmatched and terrifies every boxer in all divisions.

Ortiz is great boxing skill/fundamentally wise he is from the Cuban system. Amazing boxer and one he'll of a hard puncher.

Deontay answered every question out there on him. He has a granite chin and great stamina. He already went 12 rds to win the belt with stiverne. He went 9 rounds without any fatigue showing with spilka. He can take not just take a PUNCH but punches! cus ortiz was throwing combos in the 7th. The guy is so inexperienced he didn't even put his hands up haha he just shook his head no and ate every punch ortiz threw while stunned and clearly on his last leg.

Joshua vs wilder is unpredictable. I just have this feeling wilder knocks my fellow non American light skinned brother out. I've seen joshua hurt so many times. Where wilder was only really clearly hurt bad from a renowned hard puncher yes renowned hard puncher in Luis ortiz. Ortiz can hit hard that's been always held in praise along with his amateur pedigree.

[Clout]

I like joshua more than wilder but wilder is just a special fighter. Joshua has the skills from his amateur and is better boxer but he is not the better fighter. Deontay is a scary scrawny man. Haha he sat there and forgot how to hold a high guard and ate every damn punch ortiz threw in the 7th. thank God he smothered ortiz in a clinch. With 20 seconds left to go.

The man has heart beyond measure as does Ortiz. You gotta understand us boxing fans of the sweet science know deontay is flawed but how he over comes his own flaws and opponents strengths is what makes him so fun to watch.

[Clout]

Wilder fucked him up at the end yo

Those punches had some velocity on em oh boy

Ortiz took em like a boss tho ...even getting tko d the way he did was impressive

Hi little muffin

[ACTIVATE SELF]

Well, damn, Clout. Thanks for not leaving me anything else to saying. But, I agree with your entire assessment.

I think Wilder beats Joshua as well.

[El Muffin]

Hi little muffin

Suppp

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deontay is a slopfest but he can crack. there is a push behind him because of the dearth of decent American heavyweights in recent years, a far cry from its golden era.

Tyson fury is the best HW on the planet. but he's a fat gypsy who neither England not Ireland want so nobody cares. also he the realest.

[Clout]

Well, damn, Clout. Thanks for not leaving me anything else to saying. But, I agree with your entire assessment.

I think Wilder beats Joshua as well.

I love boxing I do my best to give all insight that can be discussed or shared. I don't troll or respect anyone who dares troll in this kind of convo. It's a sport people might not live through the first punch. No I'm not saying you were trolling lol. just saying I take it seriously bcause ppl can be seriously hurt in this sport. We owe them that kind of respect.

I will always come correct and on point in boxing threads. If you get into it with me You will not get the dub.because I speak from watching films on the Willie peps and sugar ray robinsons to actual participation within the squared circle.

Anyone with the courage to enter a combat sport has garnered my respect and every courtesy alotted

[Amen]

Great stamina? Lmao dude was washed and weak in the knees with his back to the ropes after 4 rounds.

Dude has power no technical form what so ever. Terrible fight... Ortiz would have won had it gone the distance.

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Agreed Clout

My heart would want Joshua to win, but my head says Wilder

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deontay is a slopfest but he can crack. there is a push behind him because of the dearth of decent American heavyweights in recent years, a far cry from its golden era.

Tyson fury is the best HW on the planet. but he's a fat gypsy who neither England not Ireland want so nobody cares. also he the realest.

fury not the best by a long shot lol

come off it

[Clout]

deontay is a slopfest but he can crack. there is a push behind him because of the dearth of decent American heavyweights in recent years, a far cry from its golden era.

Tyson fury is the best HW on the planet. but he's a fat gypsy who neither England not Ireland want so nobody cares. also he the realest.

Tyson fury is his own worst enemy. He is the best of the 3 headed monster. But wilder has the best chance out of him and joshua to win. That's because he is more athletic and faster than fury so fury cant out move him. Plus as you said no one can take that power and Tyson has been knocked down by nonpunchers. Imagine if wild lands that kind of shit.

But agreed I favor Tyson fury who beat klitchko over both. But wilder can win easily with literally one punch ..fury doesn't block well he slips well.

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Gone @ Tyson Fury the best...

On that note.....

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So whats your opinion Errol Spence Jr.?

[Clout]

Thats the thing when i say wilder beats anyone its not cause he has the skills of floud mayweather its because he has the power of a prime tyson/liston/hearns/foreman and ernie shavers combined

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So whats your opinion Errol Spence Jr.?

He terrifies every damn welterweight out there. He is a weight bully. He is a legit middle weight who fights at welterweight. He is a southpaw who hits hard and is technically sound. Plus he is what I call a crafty pressure fighter. They say he doesn't move his head well...not true he does how else does he land so many body shots? He has to move his head into position to gain leverage on this body shots.

It's just to deal those shots he has to eat some on the way in. That's why floyd and Andre ward did alot of what's called "pot shotting" so they can land that one or two clean scoring shots then peel off.

With spence? He is not satisfied with one or two clean shots he wants to literally fucking break you for thinking you were on his level. So it leaves him vulnerable for a counter punch. Usually it's just a PUNCH that lands flush on him not like a consecutive chained combo.

Because he has to much physicality for being so tall and muscular for 147.

He is the truth but he is beatable. Anyone who bleeds can lose I promise u that.

[Clout]

Great stamina? Lmao dude was washed and weak in the knees with his back to the ropes after 4 rounds.

Dude has power no technical form what so ever. Terrible fight... Ortiz would have won had it gone the distance.

Please I gave you two examples of great stamina...you chose to ignore it cause your poor at articulating an argument.

He went 12 rounds with stiverne to win the belt and wasnt fatigued. Then 9 rounds with no fatigue against spilka bud. Again he wasnt hurt or over moving to avoid counter punches against those 2 like he was with Luis ortiz.

He was clearly hurt by ortiz left hand every time it landed. Wilder gave too much ground he was overmoving out of respect of ortiz power and counter punch ability. When you over move and give up too much ground your exhausting youself. Plus he was taking some hard shots and was buzzed alot. and he was tired this fight cause ortiz made this boy WORK and ortiz hurt him bad. But wilder didn't go down! Anth9ny joshua is always visibly gassed out after 5 rounds in every fight that goes longer than 5 rounds. That's without being hurt in his takam fight.

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He terrifies every damn welterweight out there. He is a weight bully. He is a legit middle weight who fights at welterweight. He is a southpaw who hits hard and is technically sound. Plus he is what I call a crafty pressure fighter. They say he doesn't move his head well...not true he does how else does he land so many body shots? He has to move his head into position to gain leverage on this body shots.

It's just to deal those shots he has to eat some on the way in. That's why floyd and Andre ward did alot of what's called "pot shotting" so they can land that one or two clean scoring shots then peel off.

With spence? He is not satisfied with one or two clean shots he wants to literally fucking break you for thinking you were on his level. So it leaves him vulnerable for a counter punch. Usually it's just a PUNCH that lands flush on him not like a consecutive chained combo.

Because he has to much physicality for being so tall and muscular for 147.

He is the truth but he is beatable. Anyone who bleeds can lose I promise u that.


Yep. You know your stuff. Legit analysis.

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Errol spence jr vs Crawford, Wilder vs joshua, danny garcia vs porter, lomachenko vs mikey garcia need to happen this year

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Tyson fury beat the man when he was the man. So by default I say he is the best heavyweight atm. No one beat him for the belts he relinquished them/was stripped. So out of respect you have to hold him in high contention cause of his feat.

But right now I have wilder as top dog. Simply because fury is inactive. Joshua clearly is biding his time and trying to get as many pay days as possible. No one can blame him for that.

Your only in your prime of life once in that said life. Make the most of it and out of it so cheers to AJ.

[Amen]

Bro, he's gone 12 rounds 1 fucking time... ONE TIME.

that means he has stamina? LMFAO...

Mayweather's got stamina... Deontay does not... He's gifted with natural KO power. THAT IS IT. Dudes a terrible boxer. Once again, had it gone the distance, Ortiz would have won. He outboxed him, easily.

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i keep up with boxing less than mma. which is saying something. but word i watched the highlights from this.

the only fights in boxing i care to see are joshua/wilder, some form of connor/floyd 2 or connor/whoever, and i would say ggg/canelo rematch, but the first one was such fuckery that i don't even care to see the second

i watched that lomachenko/rigondeaux too. i'd like to see lomachenko continue to be great

but im too ignorant to even remember what weight he fights at and don't know who is there to present problems for him

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I'd like to see Khabib/McGregor. Khabib would work him.

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Bro, he's gone 12 rounds 1 fucking time... ONE TIME.

that means he has stamina? LMFAO...

Mayweather's got stamina... Deontay does not... He's gifted with natural KO power. THAT IS IT. Dudes a terrible boxer. Once again, had it gone the distance, Ortiz would have won. He outboxed him, easily.


Yeah, but he's also 40-0 with 39 knockouts.

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And majority of his KO'S ARE INSIDE 5 ROUNDS.

Dude isn't a "boxer". He's a slugger. He has no form or technical talent.

[Clout]

Bro, he's gone 12 rounds 1 fucking time... ONE TIME.

that means he has stamina? LMFAO...

Mayweather's got stamina... Deontay does not... He's gifted with natural KO power. THAT IS IT. Dudes a terrible boxer. Once again, had it gone the distance, Ortiz would have won. He outboxed him, easily.

Mayweather has only 148 lbs of weight on his tiny frame he should be able to last more rounds plus he pot shotted alot. He stopped throwing the combination punches of shakespearian beauty you seen him do at 135-140 vs castillo and corralles =).

We're taking heavy weights where bone density and body mass is scientificially proven to fatigue faster than smaller builds. Anthony joshua clearly has bad stamina you can see it in every fight he has thats longer than 4 rounds. Against Dillian whyte, klitchko, Takam He was on the verge of needing an oxygen mask. AJ has never went 12 rds let alone 6 rounds without looking like he needs an asma pump/oxy mask.

You basing your opinion of wilder lacking stamina in the one fight i clearly listed reason why HE SHOULD BE FATIGUED LOL. I can literally copy an paste it here. but b/c i like you dre ill do this instead.

1. He was giving too much ground (too many steps to the side or retreating backwards with too many steps aka OVERMOVING) B/c ortiz reacted to every damn thing wilder threw or feinted. Which tires you out, you've boxed recreationally you know this as fact. You do too much dancing or overmoving that alone at their size is tiring.

2. Ortiz was putting hands on the beanpole dude. Blocking/evading and weathering hard shots tires you out. PLus he was almost knocked out in round 7 lol..i mean cmon thats exhausting clinching someone when you stunned i can atest im man enough to admit. I been rocked plenty and tried clinch you little guys. Its tiring.But No one would do that with him previously cause like you said his immense punch. The fear of him throwing when your throwing haha and its Marie Antoinette time for you (beheaded)

3. Being forced to fight minus the 8th round where Ortiz let him recover, anyone who watched the fight. Can plead that as fact ortiz let him off the hook cause ortiz blew his wad in round 7 trying to get wilder the fuck out of there. But wild clinched for his life which well tires you out+being stunned and semi unconscious haha. The fact Wilder had enough left in tha gas tank to deliver that shot to the temple in the 10th followed up shortly after with a prime tyson right uppercut shows he had something left and wasn't suffering what anthony joshua suffers from.

Joshua needs to stop being so tensed up like he is flexing every muscle. He is faitguing himself beyond belief. Plus i hate how he throws his shots. So stiff and from his front deltoid/Pec. Like he is pushing it instead of snapping it. that tires him too

[Clout]

Oh yea deontay sucks at "boxing"/the sweet science. But he is so athletic and has the right hand of god that he over comes his flaws. I will admit he is way better than when he fought stiverne 1. He is learning on the job and is getting better.

But you can't be too harsh he was up against one of the best cuban amature boxers ever. 385-6? i mean damn man, that its impressive. Anyone from the cuban system is going to be a stud.

For deontay this will make him leaps better, trust me you will see a difference in him in his next bout. This was a much needed learning lesson. Ortiz showed him what patience/feinting/foot+body positioning is all about. Ortiz has a wonderfully sound straight left counter punch.

Erislandy Lara is similar in that aspect

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Amen

Not that I disagree. It's just that he must be doing something right to keep winning the way that he has been. He's not exactly fighting scrubs either. Because a lot of the opponents he's beaten have had many of the skills and techniques that he lacks, but at the end of the day still can't do anything with the guy once they get inside that square circle and the bell goes ding.

I just think if he was only a "slugger" he would have been exposed a long time ago. Joshua is widely considered the best HW in the world right now and I have tremdous respect for the guy, but truth be told if he and Wilder lined em up today, I'd put my money on DW.

So if the best can't beat him or are too scared to even fight him, than how he's not the best at what he does? There is a sweet science to boxing. No doubt about it. There is however, also a saying known as 'the exception to the rule'; and after 40 straight victories I think Deontay maybe just that. The "exception". At least until proven otherwise.

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AJ gonna be avoiding that Wilder fight for some time

I just hate watching him fight no named fights to get a cheque

It actually annoys me somewhat even though I completely understand why his team would do it lol

[Clout]

And majority of his KO'S ARE INSIDE 5 ROUNDS.

Dude isn't a "boxer". He's a slugger. He has no form or technical talent.

To be fair he has one of the best jabs i've seen. He literally just jabs the hell out of everyone. He has a nice uppercut as shown in the ortiz fight. I beautiful sneaky short straight right hand on the inside(visit spilka round 9, vicious telegraphed short right hand on the inside).

He just has a terrible defense minus his athletic movement/reflexes. He needs to learn how to roll the punch with his shoulder and counter off it like james tony/mayweather or even judah did in his prime. He needs to learn how to do a slight waist rotation while using his high guard to deflect/parry incoming shots so he can counter with more impact.

He needs to learn not to pull straight back with hands down to avoid punches. He needs to step over them via to the side no straight back. He has to develop his left hand more. He literally throws like 8 hooks per fight haha. He needs to use a jab to the stomach more. It would open up more oppertunity for a right uppercut cause theyd drop their hands to cover their gut. Then you shoot the cut through the middle of their guard #MONEY.

He needs to be more fluid with his combos. Straighten his shots out more. To be fair he has an 83 inch reach. Thats difficult to do when every one is 3-5 inches shorter than you. But it can be done and needs to be done!

[Clout]

AJ gonna be avoiding that Wilder fight for some time

I just hate watching him fight no named fights to get a cheque

It actually annoys me somewhat even though I completely understand why his team would do it lol

Exactly he is making 20 million per fight? not including gate/revenue (correct me if im wrong, will rep!) You can't blame him as a man with a child to feed. But he is more afraid of taking drug tests imo. Cause wilder pays extra for his opponents to be tested.

Im not one to be a douche and call everyone a roider. But ill say this Klitchko who was 8lbs lighter than Joshua on their fight night was caught juicing as an amateur. If you seen Joshua as an amature he wasn't as big as he is now. it just seems very suspicious plus he doesnt get tested and you dont hear about AJ fights being under strict drug protocol for a reason..

Just had to vent that one, i like Aj but man i just dont think he is "clean" im not saying he is taking bodybuilder cycles mind you. But he is on something. Why else dont you have VADA testing you year round like they do wilder, ggg, ect.

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Clout

I'm gonna start calling you Howard Cosell.

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Amen

Not that I disagree. It's just that he must be doing something right to keep winning the way that he has been. He's not exactly fighting scrubs either. Because a lot of the opponents he's beaten have had many of the skills and techniques that he lacks, but at the end of the day still can't do anything with the guy once they get inside that square circle and the bell goes ding.

I just think if he was only a "slugger" he would have been exposed a long time ago. Joshua is widely considered the best HW in the world right now and I have tremdous respect for the guy, but truth be told if he and Wilder lined em up today, I'd put my money on DW.

So if the best can't beat him or are too scared to even fight him, than how he's not the best at what he does? Their is a sweet science to boxing. No doubt about it. There is however, also a saying known as 'the exception to the rule'; and after 40 straight victories I think Deontay maybe just that. The "exception". At least until proven otherwise.

I got Wilder as well. However, if it were to go the distance - AJ would win only because AJ is a technical boxer. Technical boxers ALWAYS win unless KO'D. which has been DW' s case. Like I said, he has natural KO power that hasn't been seen since Mike Tyson in his prime. Different is, Tyson was a boxer with technical talent and speed. DW's barely quick on the snap and faints just to open up for the right hand. Did you not watch this last fight? Ortiz was handling him. DW won only 2 rounds... Ortiz was out boxing him.

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BTW; DW got 2.1 million while LO got 500,000.

Winning purse.

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Exactly he is making 20 million per fight? not including gate/revenue (correct me if im wrong, will rep!) You can't blame him as a man with a child to feed. But he is more afraid of taking drug tests imo. Cause wilder pays extra for his opponents to be tested.

Im not one to be a douche and call everyone a roider. But ill say this Klitchko who was 8lbs lighter than Joshua on their fight night was caught juicing as an amateur. If you seen Joshua as an amature he wasn't as big as he is now. it just seems very suspicious plus he doesnt get tested and you dont hear about AJ fights being under strict drug protocol for a reason..

Just had to vent that one, i like Aj but man i just dont think he is "clean" im not saying he is taking bodybuilder cycles mind you. But he is on something. Why else dont you have VADA testing you year round like they do wilder, ggg, ect.

I think the £23mill is split bro, pretty sure Parker gets like 33% of that 23mill for the fight you know

that's still a heck of a lot of money though no doubt

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I got Wilder as well. However, if it were to go the distance - AJ would win only because AJ is a technical boxer. Technical boxers ALWAYS win unless KO'D. which has been DW' s case. Like I said, he has natural KO power that hasn't been seen since Mike Tyson in his prime. Different is, Tyson was a boxer with technical talent and speed. DW's barely quick on the snap and faints just to open up for the right hand. Did you not watch this last fight? Ortiz was handling him. DW won only 2 rounds... Ortiz was out boxing him.

Fair assessment. Now let me read through Clout's discertation to see what his counters were. lol.

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Technical boxers ALWAYS win unless KO'D.

So what happens when two technical boxers fight each other, and neither is KO'd? Do both win?

Your post is dumb as cheese.

There are just so many intangibles and variables, beyond skills and talent, that nobody can truly predict the outcome of a fight.

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Clout - I agree with most of what you said but you are basically co-signing my argument of DW not being a technical fighter lol. Regardless of weight, DW hardly threw ANY punches and was gassed by round 4, lol.

"He needs to learn how this and that" - exactly my point. He's not a good technical boxer. He's a slugger and a sloppy one at that. Just look at every KO how aggressive he is and opens himself up.

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So what happens when two technical boxers fight each other, and neither is KO'd? Do both win?

Your post is dumb as cheese.

There are just so many intangibles and variables, beyond skills and talent, that nobody can truly predict the outcome of a fight.

It goes to the judges you dumb fuck. And the MORE technical fighter WINS.

stick to soccer bro.

Why do you think Canelo was able to draw GGG. BECAUSE he's more of a technical fighter and knows what points to go after to sway judges.

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So what happens when two technical boxers fight each other, and neither is KO'd? Do both win?

Your post is dumb as cheese.

There are just so many intangibles and variables, beyond skills and talent, that nobody can truly predict the outcome of a fight.

Well, Iron Mike once famously answered that question by saying, "everyone has a plan until they get punched in the [muthafuckin] mouth”.

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LOL I know way more about boxing than you

bet your life on that

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Well, Iron Mike once famously answered that question by saying, "everyone has a plan until they get punched in the [muthafuckin] mouth”.

Mike Tyson was a phenomenal fighter man. Drugs and Don King ruined him.

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LOL I know way more about boxing than you

bet your life on that

FOH...

You probably have never trained a day in your life dude... Get real.

Only mother fuckers who can even engage with me in regards to boxing is Clout and big baby they know their shit... And train, at least I know Clout does... Don't know about big baby but think he's trained at some point or a Google wizard .

[Clout]

Amen

Not that I disagree. It's just that he must be doing something right to keep winning the way that he has been. He's not exactly fighting scrubs either. Because a lot of the opponents he's beaten have had many of the skills and techniques that he lacks, but at the end of the day still can't do anything with the guy once they get inside that square circle and the bell goes ding.

I just think if he was only a "slugger" he would have been exposed a long time ago. Joshua is widely considered the best HW in the world right now and I have tremdous respect for the guy, but truth be told if he and Wilder lined em up today, I'd put my money on DW.

So if the best can't beat him or are too scared to even fight him, than how he's not the best at what he does? Their is a sweet science to boxing. No doubt about it. There is however, also a saying known as 'the exception to the rule'; and after 40 straight victories I think Deontay maybe just that. The "exception". At least until proven otherwise.

Styles make fights. Wilder is everything wrong for joshua. Let me explain

Watch a recent joshua fight (dilian whyte, Takam, Klitchko)

He tires super super fast to the point he is bound to collapse. This is because

1. Just watch his stance, hes constantly tense like he's trying to get all his muscles to pop up veiny for cameras like a photo shoot. If your that tense at all times you will tire fucking FAST!

2. The way he punches isn't correct tbh, Some of his shots are done with perfect form. But from his high guard stance? he is tense and pushes his shots like he is doing a single arm dumbell speed benchpress ya know what i mean? If you can visual that as you watch him jab or throw his straight right. Its very pushy less snappy. its like he is front deltoid/pec dominant. Where as most snap it from the feet/waist/shoulder rotation as one fluid movement. Ur using ur bodies kinetic motion to generate velocity/torque. Power (Deontay) vs Strength (Joshua) Power is fast and explosive. Strength is a slow progressing brute force type of movement. You can clear see it just watching how they throw shots.

3. Joshua has just too much mass on his frame which tires him out. It requires alot of calories (energy) to sustain that. Plus the high punch out put and constant movement (cardio) of a boxing match is bad for muscle bound guys.

4. Joshua is technically sound? oh fuck yea but super slow/fatigues easially. Wilder is Super fast and Herky jerky like. He has quick hand speed and godlike punching power. Joshua will look like Danny Garcia at times when he was fighting Keith thurman. Just hesitating and waiting as Wilder Got off and only throw a few shots here an there.

5. Wilder is super agile, doesn't tire as easialy as AJ. he has plenty of fights above 7 rounds where he is clearly not tired. Ortiz really gave him a fucking dog fight thats why he was tired. He has Snappy shots and yes he does have clubbing thudding shots too. But he snaps his jab beautifully and when he throws his right hand straight down the pipe? its a dream. Joshua isn't good at cutting the ring off. Wilder utilizes every inch of the ring he is a mover for sure. At times over does it..

6. AJ is gun shy that is the biggest downfall b/c he is chinny not amir khan chinny but yea he is honestly chinny...speed can be countered by AJs impeccable timing. He has great power but its more of a strong man/weightlifting power. It doesn't carry into late rounds in tough fights. Where wilders is just raw uncut god given athletic punching power. He is always capable of knocking you at any point an time. AJ needs to have his lungs about him before he can really thud his power around.

6. Joshua even tho i love the guy is super chinny. He has been knocked out like 4 times as an amateur once by Dillian whyte. Who he beat as a pro! Ko'd twice confirmed by David price by joshuas own admission in sparring. I believe he was ko'd by Klitchko as was wilder in sparring. But joshua has been visibly on the cusp of being ko'd a few times as a pro. Where it took an esteemed cuban southpaw of great boxing prowess and good punching power to do that to deontay!

7. Deontay CARRIES HIS POWER FROM ROUND1 TO ROUND 12! Joshua isn't able to do that. But then again joshua doesn't need to because why netcee-gs? THE NIGGA CAN BOX - GOLD MEDALIST SWAG YO. he can box your ears off or get you out of there.

This match is 50/50 due to joshuas RING IQ/Skill Set & Wilders athleticism & super hero punch power. But joshua has terrible stamina doesn't carry his power late into rounds like wilder can. Isn't fast of foot or hand like wilder is. But he can time wilder and counter him early and KO him. BAsically the longer the fight goes on the more wilder is likely to win. Joshua is more dangerous round 1-5 rounds. After that Wilder is at an advantage. Cus is power is always there & his speed is always there. Joshua has looked rough in his last 3 matches damn near collapsing and letting his hands drop due to fatigue.

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Mike Tyson was a phenomenal fighter man. Drugs and Don King ruined him.

Facts. I sit around and watch his old fights all the time.

[Clout]

FOH...

You probably have never trained a day in your life dude... Get real.

Only mother fuckers who can even engage with me in regards to boxing is Clout and big baby they know their shit... And train, at least I know Clout does... Don't know about big baby but think he's trained at some point or a Google wizard .

Ur tyson comment is truly 100% correct. Tyson was no longer iron mic prime tyson after D'mato died. The buster douglas fight? tyson didn't even have a six pack he was chubby and drug tests say he had weed & cocaine in him after the fight. He was no longer in his prime he was drugged up and surrounded by YES MEN as they call it.

HAd Cus'dmato been 30 years younger. I think Tyson legacy would've been something unheard of. From Muhamad ali's own mouth he said tyson in his prime would've beaten him. That speaks volumes, but like tyson fury - Mike was his own worst enemy. He beat himself before his opponents beat him cus of the life style choices he was making!

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Fury would take both of them apart.

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Styles make fights. Wilder is everything wrong for joshua. Let me explain

Watch a recent joshua fight (dilian whyte, Takam, Klitchko)

He tires super super fast to the point he is bound to collapse. This is because

1. Just watch his stance, hes constantly tense like he's trying to get all his muscles to pop up veiny for cameras like a photo shoot. If your that tense at all times you will tire fucking FAST!

2. The way he punches isn't correct tbh, Some of his shots are done with perfect form. But from his high guard stance? he is tense and pushes his shots like he is doing a single arm dumbell speed benchpress ya know what i mean? If you can visual that as you watch him jab or throw his straight right. Its very pushy less snappy. its like he is front deltoid/pec dominant. Where as most snap it from the feet/waist/shoulder rotation as one fluid movement. Ur using ur bodies kinetic motion to generate velocity/torque. Power (Deontay) vs Strength (Joshua) Power is fast and explosive. Strength is a slow progressing brute force type of movement. You can clear see it just watching how they throw shots.

3. Joshua has just too much mass on his frame which tires him out. It requires alot of calories (energy) to sustain that. Plus the high punch out put and constant movement (cardio) of a boxing match is bad for muscle bound guys.

4. Joshua is technically sound? oh fuck yea but super slow/fatigues easially. Wilder is Super fast and Herky jerky like. He has quick hand speed and godlike punching power. Joshua will look like Danny Garcia at times when he was fighting Keith thurman. Just hesitating and waiting as Wilder Got off and only throw a few shots here an there.

5. Wilder is super agile, doesn't tire as easialy as AJ. he has plenty of fights above 7 rounds where he is clearly not tired. Ortiz really gave him a fucking dog fight thats why he was tired. He has Snappy shots and yes he does have clubbing thudding shots too. But he snaps his jab beautifully and when he throws his right hand straight down the pipe? its a dream. Joshua isn't good at cutting the ring off. Wilder utilizes every inch of the ring he is a mover for sure. At times over does it..

6. AJ is gun shy that is the biggest downfall b/c he is chinny not amir khan chinny but yea he is honestly chinny...speed can be countered by AJs impeccable timing. He has great power but its more of a strong man/weightlifting power. It doesn't carry into late rounds in tough fights. Where wilders is just raw uncut god given athletic punching power. He is always capable of knocking you at any point an time. AJ needs to have his lungs about him before he can really thud his power around.

6. Joshua even tho i love the guy is super chinny. He has been knocked out like 4 times as an amateur once by Dillian whyte. Who he beat as a pro! Ko'd twice confirmed by David price by joshuas own admission in sparring. I believe he was ko'd by Klitchko as was wilder in sparring. But joshua has been visibly on the cusp of being ko'd a few times as a pro. Where it took an esteemed cuban southpaw of great boxing prowess and good punching power to do that to deontay!

7. Deontay CARRIES HIS POWER FROM ROUND1 TO ROUND 12! Joshua isn't able to do that. But then again joshua doesn't need to because why netcee-gs? THE NIGGA CAN BOX - GOLD MEDALIST SWAG YO. he can box your ears off or get you out of there.

This match is 50/50 due to joshuas RING IQ/Skill Set & Wilders athleticism & super hero punch power. But joshua has terrible stamina doesn't carry his power late into rounds like wilder can. Isn't fast of foot or hand like wilder is. But he can time wilder and counter him early and KO him. BAsically the longer the fight goes on the more wilder is likely to win. Joshua is more dangerous round 1-5 rounds. After that Wilder is at an advantage. Cus is power is always there & his speed is always there. Joshua has looked rough in his last 3 matches damn near collapsing and letting his hands drop due to fatigue.


Well, you're basically saying everything I'm too lazy to type right now, and doing it in a much more knowledgeable (and researched) way than I would normally put it. Can't really disagree with any of the above.

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Tyson's downfall was leaving the Catskills and going under Don Kings promotions lol.
ACTIVATE SELF - so do I man... A fucking phenom in the ring man. I watched every Tyson fight aired on TV as a kid... I was so upset the 1st time he got KO'D....

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Fury would take both of them apart.

I have no doubt Wilder would be happy to take that match. Fury just sent shots his way via post fight reaction.

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Tyson's downfall was leaving the Catskills and going under Don Kings promotions lol.

Don King is the greatest champ in the history of Boxing. Look at all the legends he beat the fuck out. Dude's like 1000-0.

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He's a cancer and a terrible person. When I lived in manhatten he lived 2 blocks up from me in mid-town. I would always see him... He was so rude to people who were tying to snap a picture with him... Hate that fuck lol....

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Fury would take both of them apart.

Fury doesn't have the power to keep iron mike of prime years off him. Fury would do that jab and head jerk back & leave him self open for tysons true power ....HIS LEFT HAND & that immense body shot combo. As a orthodox stance fighter you use your left hand more since its infront so u use your right hand less over the course of a fight. Everyone who knows of tyson knows of his famous body,body, head combo(Teddy atlas/ Cus d'amato broadcasted it).

His Head movement and hand/foot speed was terrific + his power was on deontays level BUT.. IN EITHER HAND!!!. Fury Wasn't fast enough to side step iron mic from jabbing his way inside. Mike is left handed thats why his vicious body shots were unmatched. He was able to hit you with his strong hand to the softest part of your ribs. Left hand is a clear shot at your liver too which hurts like motherfucker!

Remeber Tysojn fury is chinny too he got dropped by a soft pillow fisted HW. Imagine if deontay wilder or ANY VERSION OF MIKE TYSON landed that kind of shot....

Deontay only wins b/c Fury is basically the same height so pulling his head straight back after pawing his left jab to create distance to avoid incoming shots WILL NOT WORK. IT WILL LEAVE HIM IN PERFECT POSITION TO EAT DEONTAYS RIGHT HAND FLUSH ON THE NOSE.

Fury defense isn't great. He just moves his head alot and pulls straight back while kind of using his left jab to stiff arm you from following through to hit him. Watch the Wlad klit fight. Deontay is so much faster than fury. Fury won't be able to dance around Wilder while trying to negate that Jab and right hand.

Im telling you Fury is open for alot of shots cus he like wilder keeps his hands down but he is so much taller than every one (6'9) he gets away with it. But deontay is 6'7 with an 83 inch reach. So fury will be forced to bend at the waist like james toney to duck under shots and then eat and overhand short straight right hand like wilder did to spilka or that nasty uppercut like ortiz ate from wilder.

Fury has bad defense he compensates by moving and pushing you away. He has no power to keep deontary from windmilling haha. Sorry man I can see tyson fury beating deontay but i see deontay ko'ing him. If it goes to the cards fury wins but i doubt it would.

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I have no doubt Wilder would be happy to take that match. Fury just sent shots his way via post fight reaction.

Wilder doesn't want that match bro, I honestly think fury would embarrass him.

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I will say, dude was smart as hell and got so rich off of fighters like Tyson. A true shame.

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Fury fat fuck self wouldn't do shit. He's a troll.

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Fury doesn't have the power to keep iron mike of prime years off him. Fury would do that jab and head jerk back & leave him self open for tysons true power ....HIS LEFT HAND & that immense body shot combo. As a orthodox stance fighter you use your left hand more since its infront so u use your right hand less over the course of a fight. Everyone who knows of tyson knows of his famous body,body, head combo(Teddy atlas/ Cus d'amato broadcasted it).

His Head movement and hand/foot speed was terrific + his power was on deontays level BUT.. IN EITHER HAND!!!. Fury Wasn't fast enough to side step iron mic from jabbing his way inside. Mike is left handed thats why his vicious body shots were unmatched. He was able to hit you with his strong hand to the softest part of your ribs. Left hand is a clear shot at your liver too which hurts like motherfucker!

Remeber Tysojn fury is chinny too he got dropped by a soft pillow fisted HW. Imagine if deontay wilder or ANY VERSION OF MIKE TYSON landed that kind of shot....

Deontay only wins b/c Fury is basically the same height so pulling his head straight back after pawing his left jab to create distance to avoid incoming shots WILL NOT WORK. IT WILL LEAVE HIM IN PERFECT POSITION TO EAT DEONTAYS RIGHT HAND FLUSH ON THE NOSE.

Fury defense isn't great. He just moves his head alot and pulls straight back while kind of using his left jab to stiff arm you from following through to hit him. Watch the Wlad klit fight. Deontay is so much faster than fury. Fury won't be able to dance around Wilder while trying to negate that Jab and right hand.

Im telling you Fury is open for alot of shots cus he like wilder keeps his hands down but he is so much taller than every one (6'9) he gets away with it. But deontay is 6'7 with an 83 inch reach. So fury will be forced to bend at the waist like james toney to duck under shots and then eat and overhand short straight right hand like wilder did to spilka or that nasty uppercut like ortiz ate from wilder.

Fury has bad defense he compensates by moving and pushing you away. He has no power to keep deontary from windmilling haha. Sorry man I can see tyson fury beating deontay but i see deontay ko'ing him. If it goes to the cards fury wins but i doubt it would.

I was more talking Joshua n wilder. I appreciate the breakdown but I just think fury's boxing brain, head movement and ability to dictate the fight trumps anything ice seen from wilder.

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Fury is unorthodox and sly but Deontay wilder is just a hard counter in my eyes. They both have things that make them dangeorus to eachother.

But Fury has no legit defense besides fighting tall & dancing. He pulls his head straight back out of habit of being much taller than everyone. But Once he faces deontay he will get ko'd instantly once he gets timed after 2 rounds of doing that lil trick. Cus deontary is only 2 inches shorter and has a 83 inch reach. He will clip fury on the chin and fury has been dropped ill say for the 8th time by a soft fisted HW. Imagine when one of the hardest punches in fighting history not just boxing history hits you square n flush on the whiskers.....


anyone care to answer? go head Clout'll w8

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Fury trash.

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Billy joe Saunders vs Charlo....GO

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Clout - I agree with most of what you said but you are basically co-signing my argument of DW not being a technical fighter lol. Regardless of weight, DW hardly threw ANY punches and was gassed by round 4, lol.

"He needs to learn how this and that" - exactly my point. He's not a good technical boxer. He's a slugger and a sloppy one at that. Just look at every KO how aggressive he is and opens himself up.


Well yea i did cosign that remeber i have a post saying deontay SUCKS AT "BOXING' AKA THE SWEET SCIENCE lol oh yea your spot on the money man.

Its his athleticism/power that make him what he is.

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I was more talking Joshua n wilder. I appreciate the breakdown but I just think fury's boxing brain, head movement and ability to dictate the fight trumps anything ice seen from wilder.

I like fury think highly of him, i respect ya alot for your honestly. I dont see AJ beating Fury well a in shape Klitchko winning fury. Joshua is just to sluggish & robotic at times. He will dance around joshua. Where as he isn't fast enough or agile enough to get away with that defensive maneuver vs Deontay. Deontay is NBA quality athleticism as in agility and speed idk how good his dribbling ect is.

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Mayweathers white grandfather

Nicolino Locche
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj-bLfsQSFQ

Shoulder roll & slipping for days

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Feel like klitschko woulda beat joshua if he was 10 years younger...took him 11 rounds in that fight...

wilder would beat joshua on pure athleticism power and reach joshua's nice but he's not loose enough imo

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Feel like klitschko woulda beat joshua if he was 10 years younger...took him 11 rounds in that fight...

wilder would beat joshua on pure athleticism power and reach joshua's nice but he's not loose enough imo

go back a page or two i really break it down and agree 100% with everything you said.

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amen you're yet to post a video of your footwork and until then you're a fat self-hating blatino who cant discuss boxing with any semblance of seriousness.

i was, however, serious about fury (motivated and in-shape) being the best heavyweight right now. the fact he's looked down upon ties in exactly to what i was saying about the trouble he's had in his career with boxing licenses and national representation because he's the fucking gypsy king. and he says some real shit so he's further vilified by the media, thus shaping general disdain toward him.

if you're telling me deontay throw-from-the-hip wilder will sleep most men he hits on the chin, i won't argue. i feel like fury would still box him up for 12. most of his shit performances have come when he doesn't train with hughie.

locche was an aesthetically gorgeous boxer, a defensive genius ahead of his years and one of the more underrated south americans along with the likes of alexis arguello et al. but money probably owes more to the likes of the old mongoose archie moore for the lineage of the philly shell, same way foreman's mummy stance succeeded his trainer sandy saddler.

klitschko/joshua was a helluva fight though, right?

anyway fury the greatest right now, fuck what you heard.

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amen you're yet to post a video of your footwork and until then you're a fat self-hating blatino who cant discuss boxing with any semblance of seriousness.

i was, however, serious about fury (motivated and in-shape) being the best heavyweight right now. the fact he's looked down upon ties in exactly to what i was saying about the trouble he's had in his career with boxing licenses and national representation because he's the fucking gypsy king. and he says some real shit so he's further vilified by the media, thus shaping general disdain toward him.

if you're telling me deontay throw-from-the-hip wilder will sleep most men he hits on the chin, i won't argue. i feel like fury would still box him up for 12. most of his shit performances have come when he doesn't train with hughie.

locche was an aesthetically gorgeous boxer, a defensive genius ahead of his years and one of the more underrated south americans along with the likes of alexis arguello et al. but money probably owes more to the likes of the old mongoose archie moore for the lineage of the philly shell, same way foreman's mummy stance succeeded his trainer sandy saddler.

klitschko/joshua was a helluva fight though, right?

anyway fury the greatest right now, fuck what you heard.

Haha I like you abd Willy pep was the man too. he was shoulder rolling in the black and white era. Sugar ray Robinson was a personal fav of mine. I do like fury he and Billy Joe Saunders fight alot alike it's that traveller upbringing. Bjs is a phenomenon at south paw. What he did to David lemiuex eeewww baby.

Fury is his own worst enemy as I said before. He gets in his own way.

Klitchko vs joshua was awesome man I loved it I do believe had klitchko been in his youth he would've won tho. But same could be said for ortiz vs wilder In all fairness.

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perhaps fittingly, there isn't that much footage on old will o' the wisp, the man people described as a ghost on the canvas, and that's a shame. he was slick, no doubt.

billy joe is definitely a talent right now, too.

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perhaps fittingly, there isn't that much footage on old will o' the wisp, the man people described as a ghost on the canvas, and that's a shame. he was slick, no doubt.

billy joe is definitely a talent right now, too.

Really wish Demetrius booboo andrade wasn't ducked as much as he is. He is a talent too, sad he hasn't gotten the big fights yet.

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@Eng

So how exactly does Fury beat wilder though? Especially, when it's safe to assume that he is no more skilled a boxer as the Cuban is. Whom from a techical standpoint is probably the most overall skilled and effectient active fighter discussed in this thread today. That ALSO just so happens to punch as devastatingly hard as the rest of the names mentioned. This is just a question asked out of curiosity.

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because fury isn't a boxer with tremendous fundamentals, he has that je ne sais quoi. i'm not saying he'd definitely win, just that i think he would and might bet on him to that end. fury on his A-game is a hard man to best.

ortiz is pushing 40, too, considering the metric you just used.

Really wish Demetrius booboo andrade wasn't ducked as much as he is. He is a talent too, sad he hasn't gotten the big fights yet.

boxing is fucked tbh with you, with the way things are run.

i do enjoy the odd fight and studying looks from fighters though, and the history of the sport has always been storied.

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@Eng

So how exactly does Fury beat wilder though? Especially, when it's safe to assume that he is no more skilled a boxer as the Cuban is. Whom from a techical standpoint is probably the most overall skilled and effectient active fighter discussed in this thread today. That ALSO just so happens to punch as devastatingly hard as the rest of the names mentioned. This is just a question asked out of curiosity.

The thing is we could all have well thought out thesis's that list strong focal points but anything can happen in that ring. Fury inshape is hard for anyone mate. But there are certain things the top 3 hws can do that make eachother able to win against the other.

I feel bad for the people who paid to see GGG vs Canelo. Aidlade Byrd needs to be banned

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because fury isn't a boxer with tremendous fundamentals, he has that je ne sais quoi. i'm not saying he'd definitely win, just that i think he would and might bet on him to that end. fury on his A-game is a hard man to best.

ortiz is pushing 40, too, considering the metric you just used.



boxing is fucked tbh with you, with the way things are run.

i do enjoy the odd fight and studying looks from fighters though, and the history of the sport has always been storied.

You're right about Ortiz's age playing a factor in his most recent defeat. Still though the "x-factor" like attribute you're giving to Fury could also easily be applied in Wilder's defense. They are both anomalies and unconventional fighters in their own right. Personally, I'd love to see them go heads up. I got Wilder for the win, but I wouldn't be surprised if it ended differently.

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I feel bad for the people who paid to see GGG vs Canelo. Aidlade Byrd needs to be banned


Lol

Care to expound on why?

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I'm gonna start calling you Howard Cosell.

That's an honor sir.

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Lol

Care to expound on why?

Man her score card made me ashamed to even say I like boxing. Even Oscar who is canelo handler said canelo didn't win by that kind of score haha.

Ggg won the fight but they made it a draw to not ruin canelo image and cash pool potential. Also they get more money out of a controversial rematch.

The politics in boxing is getting out of hand.

She even scored floyd vs canelo a draw... like really floyd owned canelo

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Man her score card made me ashamed to even say I like boxing. Even Oscar who is canelo handler said canelo didn't win by that kind of score haha.

Ggg won the fight but they made it a draw to not ruin canelo image and cash pool potential. Also they get more money out of a controversial rematch.

The politics in boxing is getting out of hand.

She even scored floyd vs canelo a draw... like really floyd owned canelo

Say no more. "Politics". Explains it all.

Another topic of discussion.
@Eng, Amen, Clout, sraL, Sour joog, NYCSPITZ

Do any of you have a sensible opinion on Floyd competing in the UFC (be it against Conor or CM Punk)?

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the inclusion of kicks, knees, and elbows (though he has shown some savvy intercepting with these himself, the crafty bastard) would give him fits in a muay/thai or kickboxing bout.

add grappling into the mix, with the clinchwork and potential takedown, and he would be murdered by any top 20 opponent, maybe more. his right hand pump and clutch is one of his greatest defensive assets, but that's under a very particular subset of rules inside the boxing ring.

amen is clueless about almost everything in life but swears otherwise, the worst kind of ignorance, don't even include him in the conversation.

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Say no more. "Politics". Explains it all.

Another topic of discussion.
@Eng, Amen, Clout, sraL, Sour joog, NYCSPITZ

Do any of you have a sensible opinion on Floyd competing in the UFC (be it against Conor or CM Punk)?

Pipe dream. Would never happened. Rumor has it, he’s doing all kinds of marketing bullshit because Dana wants Mayweather Promotions involved with the UFC to bring in more money for UFC and fighters. That’s why he’s posting shit like stepping in the octagon but notice the Mayweather promotion on the octo and the gloves, lol.

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the inclusion of kicks, knees, and elbows (though he has shown some savvy intercepting with these himself, the crafty bastard) would give him fits in a muay/thai or kickboxing bout.

add grappling into the mix, with the clinchwork and potential takedown, and he would be murdered by any top 20 opponent, maybe more. his right hand pump and clutch is one of his greatest defensive assets, but that's under a very particular subset of rules inside the boxing ring.

amen is clueless about almost everything in life but swears otherwise, the worst kind of ignorance, don't even include him in the conversation.

Your one to talk, didn’t Diode shut you the fuck up already? Talk shit like you e ever trained or competed in ANYTHING in your life you worthless fat faggot.

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me and diode have an (un)friendly banter - banning me couldn't quell me.

good looking out on pleading with the guy who coined the name glossy dick lips for you, for help, though. may as well hold your new white uncle's pockets. pathetic.

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@eng Amen sraL @ACTIVE SELF

OMFG CANELO GOT CAUGHT WITH STEROIDS HAHAHAHA CLENBUTEROL!

https://www.boxingscene.com/canelo-tests-positive-clenbuterol-ahead-golovkin-fight--125925

[El Muffin]

118-110?

Lmao Jesus

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Say no more. "Politics". Explains it all.

Another topic of discussion.
@Eng, Amen, Clout, sraL, Sour joog, NYCSPITZ

Do any of you have a sensible opinion on Floyd competing in the UFC (be it against Conor or CM Punk)?

Oh this is easy enough,

It'd be vice versa of what mayweather did to conor. Legit carry him for the crowd gets there money-worth and then close the show with dominance. It would be a reversal of roles is all, friend.

Mayweather will not fight in the octagon, he shouldn't. Retire at 50-0 with over a billion in prize money accumulated. He earned his ride in the sunset.

That Mayweather vs Diego Corrales is one of the examples i use of a perfect fight Ala mayweather damn near perfect. I still think he loses to a Prime Sugar ray leonard imo

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@eng Amen sraL @ACTIVE SELF

OMFG CANELO GOT CAUGHT WITH STEROIDS HAHAHAHA CLENBUTEROL!

https://www.boxingscene.com/canelo-tests-positive-clenbuterol-ahead-golovkin-fight--125925

Bro - Viagra is considered a drug to them man. USADA is a joke, honestly.

This could have well been exactly what they are claiming, "contamination of meats"...

HIGHLY doubt he was intentionally roiding. Well known in the US HGH is fed to farm aminals prior to butchering and sold on the market.

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Bro - Viagra is considered a drug to them man. USADA is a joke, honestly.

This could have well been exactly what they are claiming, "contamination of meats"...

HIGHLY doubt he was intentionally roiding. Well known in the US HGH is fed to farm aminals prior to butchering and sold on the market.

Clenbuterol is a anabolic steroid tho haha. Its more than trace amounts they found. He could skate by if it was minimal trace amounts...but it was clear cut an dry a decent amount.

All meat in US has hormones. But to be flagged on a VADA drug test? it has to be nice amount that clearly shows you were using it to shed that extra bit of fat(adipose tissue) while adding a bit of lean striated muscle.

Thats Why canelo only fights once a year, so he can cycle on an off. By fight time its trace amounts or completely out of his system.

I've had to administer drug tests to athletes for school labs. You honestly are a cheat if you get flagged for a specfic substance. I'm telling you its not like a Breathalizer, if you get flagged you are mid cycle or cycling off. You can't BS ur way out of it. Thats why ppl gave mayweather shit for the IV. B/c flushing your body with saline or water can "mask" it.

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Again, taking VIAGRA to them is also juicing man...

There urine analysis panel is out of this world. If you drink water , you fail the test, anymore LOL...

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Again, taking VIAGRA to them is also juicing man...

There urine analysis panel is out of this world. If you drink water , you fail the test, anymore LOL...

With Vada they allow Viagra and Blood pressure stuff. But you must have a doctors prescription and list it. Thats why Luis Ortiz was given a second chance. Because they saw it was blood pressure medicine to steady him. It was a non-anabolic steroid. But a steroid nontheless. So it actually would not enhance his performance.

& yes he was caught like canelo was with actual anabolic compounds in his system before. Thats why he is labeled a cheat. But some stuff as long as a doctor prescribed it and you list it on yuor VADA form, you're golden =). Its not just urine its always blood samples too =).

Long boring ass lecture in class on it. The lab was fun tho!

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Of course anything prescribed is valid. That's common knowledge.

Like I said, I don't think he was intentionally roiding man... You never know anymore, tho.

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Of course anything prescribed is valid. That's common knowledge.

Like I said, I don't think he was intentionally roiding man... You never know anymore, tho.

If its clen? he definitely is. Thats just from my experience and knowledge of it. For it to spit out clenbuteral as what was flagged its not trace amount. You won't get that kind of sample from eating "street tacos in mexico" He is a rich man. I seen his 24/7 he eats organic meat alot that his mom cooks. So theres not much processing chemically with that line of food.

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i don't think it is humanly possible to eat enough roided up cows to get the steroids at a detectable level from eating said cows

thats some ubereem level horsemeat nonsense excuse

if he wants to make a believable excuse, that still doesn't excuse him in the eyes of anyone but his fans, he would claim over the counter dick pills like jon jones

shit thats made in labs where roids are also made, so he can say he didn't knowingly take them, just got a bad batch of dick pills

also to the floyd/ufc thing

i don't think they would even milk it. i think it would be 1 minute long at best against the worst ufc fighter. hell bellator or anybody. floyd would get annihilated

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i don't think it is humanly possible to eat enough roided up cows to get the steroids at a detectable level from eating said cows

thats some ubereem level horsemeat nonsense excuse

if he wants to make a believable excuse, that still doesn't excuse him in the eyes of anyone but his fans, he would claim over the counter dick pills like jon jones

shit thats made in labs where roids are also made, so he can say he didn't knowingly take them, just got a bad batch of dick pills

also to the floyd/ufc thing

i don't think they would even milk it. i think it would be 1 minute long at best against the worst ufc fighter. hell bellator or anybody. floyd would get annihilated

If he was taken down, sure - he would get beat. No one in the right mind will stand up with him and if they did - they are stupid. Or they would want to test his ability with smaller gloves.

He would never fight in the UFC. I think it's just a strategic marketing tactic to get Mayweather Promotions going for the UFC to promote fighters and get more money.

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no doubt it would never happen

but even a halfway competent kickboxer/muaythai guy could stand with him easily

he has a boxers stance, he would get leg kicked to oblivion, and if he wanted to let his hands go he'd get dumped on his head

he's probably the most technically proficient boxer of all time. but that is probably the least helpful aspect in MMA

espescially at his weight classes

if you are an amazing boxer at heavyweight you stand more of a chance, as long as you can keep distance and keep them animals off you and check leg kicks. much more opportunities to get off.

at 135-155 tho there is no hope. he ain't ko'ing anybody with one shot, and all them dudes can bang out

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i already covered this.

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oh word i was a bit worried i had to explain that honestly. but it gave me my daily opportunity to feel knowledgeable lol

to be honest i was surprised this thread was so long and i didn't want to read through it but just wanted to jump in

IM GONE NOW

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He sucks in the boxing skill/fundamental department YES SUCKS. But his ATHLETICISM is amazing. His power is god given and unmatched and terrifies every boxer in all divisions.

Ortiz is great boxing skill/fundamentally wise he is from the Cuban system. Amazing boxer and one he'll of a hard puncher.

Deontay answered every question out there on him. He has a granite chin and great stamina. He already went 12 rds to win the belt with stiverne. He went 9 rounds without any fatigue showing with spilka. He can take not just take a PUNCH but punches! cus ortiz was throwing combos in the 7th. The guy is so inexperienced he didn't even put his hands up haha he just shook his head no and ate every punch ortiz threw while stunned and clearly on his last leg.

Joshua vs wilder is unpredictable. I just have this feeling wilder knocks my fellow non American light skinned brother out. I've seen joshua hurt so many times. Where wilder was only really clearly hurt bad from a renowned hard puncher yes renowned hard puncher in Luis ortiz. Ortiz can hit hard that's been always held in praise along with his amateur pedigree.

ahem u r annoUing. YES. i said annoying. YES bb sed that

i predict u r a fucka idiyote. YES . sed fucka jdiyore lmao stfu

[The Dead Poet]

There was a UFC fighter named Brandon Moreno who recently got popped for the same thing. He's also from Mexico. USADA went in and determined the meat he was eating from Mex was the reason it was detected. Now in days they're testing for metabolites. The Tbol that Jon Jones got popped for was a really weird case. Apparently it used to be popular because it was out you system in a day or two. Now they can find the smallest of traces from 40 days out. Jon tested positive on weigh in day (day before fight). But was clean the day before and immediately after the fight. They have no clue why that is, they're operating right now under the assumption it was the absolute smallest amount. rumor has it that they often cut coke with creatine, and cheap creatine has been known to have traces of Tbol in it.

[Aero]

He terrifies every damn welterweight out there. He is a weight bully. He is a legit middle weight who fights at welterweight. He is a southpaw who hits hard and is technically sound. Plus he is what I call a crafty pressure fighter. They say he doesn't move his head well...not true he does how else does he land so many body shots? He has to move his head into position to gain leverage on this body shots.

It's just to deal those shots he has to eat some on the way in. That's why floyd and Andre ward did alot of what's called "pot shotting" so they can land that one or two clean scoring shots then peel off.

With spence? He is not satisfied with one or two clean shots he wants to literally fucking break you for thinking you were on his level. So it leaves him vulnerable for a counter punch. Usually it's just a PUNCH that lands flush on him not like a consecutive chained combo.

Because he has to much physicality for being so tall and muscular for 147.

He is the truth but he is beatable. Anyone who bleeds can lose I promise u that.


Yea sloppy fight against Brook but the fact he was able to stop him. Errol my favorite fighter right now. Anthony Joshua vs Wilder is a scary fight for both.

[Amen]

He is the truth but he is beatable. Anyone who bleeds can lose I promise u that.

Except Mayweather.

[Amen]

If its clen? he definitely is. Thats just from my experience and knowledge of it. For it to spit out clenbuteral as what was flagged its not trace amount. You won't get that kind of sample from eating "street tacos in mexico" He is a rich man. I seen his 24/7 he eats organic meat alot that his mom cooks. So theres not much processing chemically with that line of food.

VADA put out a note stating the levels detected are consistent with the "Meat contamination theory"

So yea... As I was saying, I don't think he was intentionally juicing man. Levels were extremely low.

[Clout]

Except Mayweather.

Mayweather has los in the amateurs. A russian southpaw beat the brakes off him. They even did an article on how that guy is now broke working in a meat factory in russia i believe? Like i said anyone who bleeds can lose =)

You didn't say professional status, you just said mayweather. Thought i'd be a smart ass haha. Cause he has fair documented losses nothing suspicious in his losses one being a southpaw cuban, thats where he took bronze in the olympics in Atlanta.

[Clout]

VADA put out a note stating the levels detected are consistent with the "Meat contamination theory"

So yea... As I was saying, I don't think he was intentionally juicing man. Levels were extremely low.

Or was coming off a cycle as Victor Conte suspects it to be, Also an article on Boxingscene. I dont like the guy but he is the wizard on that stuff. He help invent the clear for goodness sakes.

[Clout]

Yea sloppy fight against Brook but the fact he was able to stop him. Errol my favorite fighter right now. Anthony Joshua vs Wilder is a scary fight for both.

I think Errol is amazing i saw him fight in the Amateurs. He had a style that wasn't "ideal" for the point system. You just knew he was going to be well off as a pro with his style. Like amir khan has more of an Amateur boxing style. He is all about flash with the touch'n'go business.

[Aero]

I think Errol is amazing i saw him fight in the Amateurs. He had a style that wasn't "ideal" for the point system. You just knew he was going to be well off as a pro with his style. Like amir khan has more of an Amateur boxing style. He is all about flash with the touch'n'go business.

Errol does great body work. As far as Floyd losing in the olympics the Olympic boxing is basically sparring that's not real boxing.

[Clout]

Errol does great body work. As far as Floyd losing in the olympics the Olympic boxing is basically sparring that's not real boxing.

Yea thats why i added in that tidbit about all Flash with the Touch n Go

All you need to do is let judges see you land the white part of your glove on the body or head. There doesnt need to be any power, they just want to see it land, in order to score it lol.

Thats why good amateurs usually dont transition well as pro's. There are exceptions ofc the SRL, De-la-hoyas, Pernell Whitakers, I guess Ray mercer too his run was short tho.

Errol was about landing with bad intentions more so than just love tapping you to win the judges over.

[Amen]

Mayweather 50-0 #TBE

Has never took an L as a professional boxer.