The Heroo's Journey

[Chill Phil]

So, this American mythological expert went around the world analyzing myths and legends and discovered these 12 elements that all enthralling stories have in common. It's dope but it ruined movies for me. Star wars, Lord of the rings, and all epic movies share this whole formula!

Check it out, and get your brain food today.

http://www.movieoutline.com/articles/the-hero-journey-mythic-structure-of-joseph-campbell-monomyth.html

[Hush]

Nah

[Chill Phil]

Thanks for commenting at least.

[veritas]

Forgive me for sounding like a hipster.

I am glad you are here. However late you are.

If you read my book you will see this element.

Where are you currently in the cycle Phil?

[Hush]

Forgive me for sounding like a hipster.

I am glad you are here. However late you are.

If you read my book you will see this element.

Where are you currently in the cycle Phil?

It is good but why did u double space it

[veritas]

Just to make it different. There are also no page numbers. Did you notice? There is a reason for that but I look forward to you attempting to figure out why.

[Chill Phil]

Forgive me for sounding like a hipster.

I am glad you are here. However late you are.

If you read my book you will see this element.

Where are you currently in the cycle Phil?

I'm at #1

[veritas]

For the first time?

[Chill Phil]

Nope. I've been at a normal setting for as long as I can remember.

[BodySnatcher]

It ruins a lot of books/movies but it helped with my writing.

[veritas]

Ha! So what now? What is next?

[Chill Phil]

Maybe have a kid within the next year or so.

The old lady and I finally agreed on both a girl's and a boy's name.

[veritas]

Maybe have a kid within the next year or so.

The old lady and I finally agreed on both a girl's and a boy's name.

You trolling?

[Elemental P]

So, this American mythological expert went around the world analyzing myths and legends and discovered these 12 elements that all enthralling stories have in common. It's dope but it ruined movies for me. Star wars, Lord of the rings, and all epic movies share this whole formula!

Check it out, and get your brain food today.

http://www.movieoutline.com/articles/the-hero-journey-mythic-structure-of-joseph-campbell-monomyth.html

Just read this. It's just a form of writing like he said you need a beginning, mid, and end or your story is going to be trash. But was interesting to read the article and realize almost every movie and video game follows this formula. I don't see what you mean that it ruined the movies for you though, because they don't seem as "original" now?

Shit even religion follows this chart.

[Chill Phil]

You trolling?

I'm not sophisticated enough to troll. I also don't aspire to live that kind of internet lifestyle.

[Chill Phil]

Just read this. It's just a form of writing like he said you need a beginning, mid, and end or your story is going to be trash. But was interesting to read the article and realize almost every movie and video game follows this formula. I don't see what you mean that it ruined the movies for you though, because they don't seem as "original" now?

Shit even religion follows this chart.

It ruins it because information takes away from the magic ignorance provides. Think about how exciting Christmas was before you found out Santa doesn't exist.

Discovering all these movies and stories have the same skeleton makes it more predictable and less magical.

[veritas]

I'm not sophisticated enough to troll. I also don't aspire to live that kind of internet lifestyle.

I get that you are in a weird mood.

I will rephrase it. Are you seriously planning to have children with this lady?

[Elemental P]

It ruins it because information takes away from the magic ignorance provides. Think about how exciting Christmas was before you found out Santa doesn't exist.

Discovering all these movies and stories have the same skeleton makes it more predictable and less magical.

But that's the thing...you need some form of structure, and clearly this works and will continue to do so. I get what u mean but that's not a great analogy to me comparing Xmas being fake to movies, books and games having some sort of cohesive format to create a plot.

[Rude]

So, this American mythological expert went around the world analyzing myths and legends and discovered these 12 elements that all enthralling stories have in common. It's dope but it ruined movies for me. Star wars, Lord of the rings, and all epic movies share this whole formula!

Check it out, and get your brain food today.

http://www.movieoutline.com/articles/the-hero-journey-mythic-structure-of-joseph-campbell-monomyth.html

Ah it's cool you brought this up, actually just got done reading some of his work from these books :

The Hero's Jourey
The Power of Myth
Creative Mythology
Myths to Live By
The Hero with a Thousand Faces

On one hand I can see the disappointment in finding out the 'movie magic' and original scripting is all based on 1 common structure. But on the other hand if you think about it, why do we even have movies and video games and books? Everything had to start from somewhere.


In any regard the books are a great read if you're going to do any writing (still entertaining if you don't) I was working on my story/series before I came across Joseph Campbell's work but after reading it I couldn't see any other way to subtitle my series but based off the term Monomyth. (each title after adapting a form of that basic idea)

[Chill Phil]

I get that you are in a weird mood.

I will rephrase it. Are you seriously planning to have children with this lady?

Yup!

[Batty]

I figured everybody knew about Joseph Campbell, at least by high school. Stories of heroes have been passed down for so many years and always will be. There are very select reasons why people want to hear these stories, Campbell is one of the major players in dissecting the formula and creating dialogue about it.

Consider Superman... If you didn't give him human attachments, mentoring and a weakness to a specific green rock, he'd just be a buff ass alien dude dickpunching people into the sun. Folks would get tired of that shit quick.

Once you start deviating too far from the basic constructs of the hero's journey, that's when you see shit getting stupid. Just look at the last Star Wars movie, it fucking sucked.

anybody that wants to write on any level needs to peep that shit forreal.

yall ever peep the doc Zeitgeist tho?

[Chill Phil]

Zeitgeist's name has been popping up in my life waaaaay too much to be a coincidence.
Batty what's his schtick?

[Elemental P]

I figured everybody knew about Joseph Campbell, at least by high school. Stories of heroes have been passed down for so many years and always will be. There are very select reasons why people want to hear these stories, Campbell is one of the major players in dissecting the formula and creating dialogue about it.

Consider Superman... If you didn't give him human attachments, mentoring and a weakness to a specific green rock, he'd just be a buff ass alien dude dickpunching people into the sun. Folks would get tired of that shit quick.

Once you start deviating too far from the basic constructs of the hero's journey, that's when you see shit getting stupid. Just look at the last Star Wars movie, it fucking sucked.

anybody that wants to write on any level needs to peep that shit forreal.

yall ever peep the doc Zeitgeist tho?
Yes and Zeitgeist is a lot of bullshit tbh. There are some factual evidence in it tho. And I died at Superman punching people in the dick LMFAO.

Beware of disinformation tho. Zeitgeist has some shit twisted but for the most part it's str8.

I suggest William Cooper's MYSTERY BABYLON SERIES

[Inno]

I thought this was common knowledge?

I mean I’ve watched more than one movie.

I don’t get who this is new information lol

[Batty]

Yes and Zeitgeist is a lot of bullshit tbh. There are some factual evidence in it tho. And I died at Superman punching people in the dick LMFAO.

Beware of disinformation tho. Zeitgeist has some shit twisted but for the most part it's str8.

I suggest William Cooper's MYSTERY BABYLON SERIES


If you've made it this far, then you already know that EVERY documentary out there gets shit twisted, especially any that touches on 9/11. There's just too much cash to be made on the controversy.

My point was about the story telling aspect of religion and why people love to tell the story of the "chosen one". They discuss that in the doc, and for the most part it is accurate. I've discussed this doc for years now, its really a case of those people that say some aspects are inaccurate truly can't provide proof otherwise. I choose to focus on the most accurate info discussed in it.

[Elemental P]

If you've made it this far, then you already know that EVERY documentary out there gets shit twisted, especially any that touches on 9/11. There's just too much cash to be made on the controversy.

My point was about the story telling aspect of religion and why people love to tell the story of the "chosen one". They discuss that in the doc, and for the most part it is accurate. I've discussed this doc for years now, its really a case of those people that say some aspects are inaccurate truly can't provide proof otherwise. I choose to focus on the most accurate info discussed in it.

I agree with you there. I don't find it ironic either that religion follows this type of "structure" if you will. Almost to a T. Not just Christianity but back to Egyptian mythology etc. Apparently there's a rhyme and a reason to the chaos IMO. But unfortunately Jordan Maxwell is a disinformation spewer unwittingly or knowingly doesn't matter. William Cooper read some of his writings on his show and if you know as much as I assume u do then u can deduce that Cooper is definitely more on the right track with these subjects than Maxwell.

[Batty]

I've heard the debate between the 2 of them, I'm pretty sure it's still mostly all online and available for ppl to peep. IIRC, Cooper exposed Maxwell on some of his BSing, but yo a lot of their arguments were based on symbolism and the supernatural, so you're not gonna find the same response from everybody on the results of this feud. There's a nice sized group of Cooper supporters that think he was an agent of God and was given divine knowledge, yo not everybody is gonna accept that.

I would trust dated scripts like something similar to Christianity that predated it, but everything must be accepted within a certain context.

I could write a giant stone tablet of lies right now and it could be found 2,000 years from now and be accepted as truth.

Scientists can date shit, but once so much time has passed, proving how accurate the statements are could be impossible. The problem is that the general public tends to think: if it is written text and it's really old, it's gotta be true.

Are you familiar with the Hinterkaifeck murders?

[veritas]

I am almost convinced of flat earth. Will continue studying.

[Batty]

Jesus and Anakin Skywalker have the same back story.

[WRATH]

No ideas original

[Elemental P]

Jesus and Anakin Skywalker have the same back story.

Yea pretty much. I don't believe Cooper is some divine messenger but what makes him Different than the others is he admitted when he was wrong and would tell his listeners etc. Cooper didn't like to be put on a pedestal. There's books he suggested that I actually owned physical copies of (two of my.most important ones were borrowed and never returned...cunt)

68 Convocation of the Rose Cross Order (I HIGHLY SUGGEST you peep that book bro some crazy shit in it. It was wrote in 1916 or so I believe and was reprinted.)

I'm not familiar with the name you mentioned I'll have to look em up. But when it comes to conspiracy theories like this with the Symbolism etc as we mentioned, Cooper was the man.

I don't believe in Alex Jones, or Tsarion, or Maxwell, or those others b.c I don't believe their credentials. Cooper really was for the people, and wanted to wake us up before he was gunned down on his own porch, which he ironically predicted. Behold a Pale Horse is a good book but that's not the same William Cooper that was as knowledgeable as the one who did the Mystery Babylon broadcast which is literally a 30+hr Expose' of the lineage of the brothhoods that existed all the way back to the Assassins and before. Batty I'll have to hit you in a PM to discuss more of this or make a new thread cuz there is some subjects I'd like ur opinion on you don't seem as sheeple as a lot do in this subject.

[Elemental P]

I am almost convinced of flat earth. Will continue studying.

I can't fuck with it....nah. science bruh

[Chill Phil]

I've looked into flat earth and round Earth so much I've basically determined that I'll never know. Like truly KNOW.

[veritas]

I've looked into flat earth and round Earth so much I've basically determined that I'll never know. Like truly KNOW.

This is interesting

[Chill Phil]

Started with the Bedford level experiment. Then I hopped down the rabbit hole. Which led me to knowing I'll never know.

[Elemental P]

Started with the Bedford level experiment. Then I hopped down the rabbit hole. Which led me to knowing I'll never know.

So you believe every single picture of space has been fabricated? I love how flat earthers always say "well we can never know for sure" nah I disagree. I seriously doubt the Hubble telescope created 100000s of imaginary images to fool people just because the government wants the people to think the world is flat.

There is actual math and physics used to explain a sphererical earth unlike the "theories" flat Earth YouTubers give.

They also make the claim the rest of the solar system has the planets round....but earth is not...lol wtf

[Amen]

Flat earth believers: "We have flat earth theorists around the globe."

Enough said. NASA been lying to us since forever ago, right guys?

FOH

[Chill Phil]

So you believe every single picture of space has been fabricated? I love how flat earthers always say "well we can never know for sure" nah I disagree. I seriously doubt the Hubble telescope created 100000s of imaginary images to fool people just because the government wants the people to think the world is flat.

There is actual math and physics used to explain a sphererical earth unlike the "theories" flat Earth YouTubers give.

They also make the claim the rest of the solar system has the planets round....but earth is not...lol wtf
You're talking at me as if I said I was a flat earther.

I clearly stated that I don't know either way. Both sides have solid arguments.

Do I trust NASA or the government? Nope. Do I believe propaganda has been implemented on American people? Yes.

I believe that NASA is a preschool version of our real space programs...


But yeah...I don't know what shape the Earth is. None of us do.

[Elemental P]

Flat earth believers: "We have flat earth theorists around the globe."

Enough said. NASA been lying to us since forever ago, right guys?

FOH

I don't think it's a bad idea to question everything per se but to let paranoia dictate between fact and fiction is a no for me. Im a conspiracy theorist too, fucking Illuminati and Freemason bs mainly but flat Earth is interesting, but it's not logical IMO.

"Pictures of earth are fake NASA even said so"
That's taken out of context also, NASA adjusts the vividness of the earth to make it look more "earthy and green" when it really doesn't look as green as we think. They admitted to altering some pictures yes but that don't make the earth a fucking hexagon rubix cube planet. Physics favors spheres b.c that's how gravity works.

People saying now that time isn't real b.c it was created by man, which is really the same.old stupid question "if a tree falls in the woods". I think mankind discovered time but that doesn't make it unreal. Fucking most things are debateable except for math.

[Ghost1]

has anyone mentioned the recent discovery that we cannot and will not ever be able to put a human on the moon as per NASA's recent admission ? basically proves we never landed on the moon.....fucked up shit

[Elemental P]

has anyone mentioned the recent discovery that we cannot and will not ever be able to put a human on the moon as per NASA's recent admission ? basically proves we never landed on the moon.....fucked up shit

Aren't we actually in the middle of attempting to teraform Mars within the next 20yrs? And try to colonize it. Ghost can u link that article? I heard about it but haven't read anything on it yet.

[Ghost1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O5dPsu66Kw

[Elemental P]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O5dPsu66Kw

I don't like that guys attitude how he just walks the fuck away at the end. But I'm aware of the radiation belt and that mankind has never went beyond that. Idk how accurate that is im no NASA employee, but it's interesting I'll have to look in to this more.

[Ghost1]

bro....what do you mean youre aware that mankind has never went beyond that

???

right off rip this should have you questioning the original moon landing

unless you already were

[Amen]

So the boot print Neil Armstrong pictures are fake?

No way... I've been lied to my entire life.

I thought E.T. was based on true story.

[Elemental P]

bro....what do you mean youre aware that mankind has never went beyond that

???

right off rip this should have you questioning the original moon landing

unless you already were

I am questioning it. I never said I believe the moon landing happen when they said it did. I just stating I remember reading and hearing people like Michael Tsarion talk about how we never went past the Van Allen belt, as far as how accurate all this is I can't honestly say. But yea everything is suspect. However I do believe shit like the Hubble's images and other satellites do exist and have taken pictures of space etc. I don't think every image NASA produces is fabricated, maybe altered in some ways more than others but if we were having this conversation back when people were Taught that earth was flat it'd be different.

It's difficult to discern fact from fiction when you're reared in a system that likes to you daily. Winners write the history books.

[Ghost1]

fair

[Witty]

You can literally bounce lasers off mirrors that have been placed on the moon.

Don't even fucking start me, I swear.

[Batty]

Elemental P yeah bro, I'd definitely love to hear more.

The reason I brought up Hinterkaifeck is that it is a perfect example of my thought process on these types of subjects. Many years ago a whole family was violently slaughtered on a farm in a place called Hinterkaifeck in Germany. The case was never solved. It is a case that has been offered up to new detectives and law enforcement agencies for many years in an effort to finally get it solved. A few years back, it was deemed "unsolvable" as too much time has passed and there's no solid evidence available.

It's like the basis for The First 48, the best chance of solving a crime is within the first 48 hours after it was committed. Most of the stuff being debated that is hundreds or thousands of years old will have "proof" that should be questioned.

For any crime you start first with motive. This is why I think that the Moon Landing is a great subject for controversy. During that time, having the technology to make it to the moon would have gained much fear and respect from other countries.

[Ghost1]

You can literally bounce lasers off mirrors that have been placed on the moon.

Don't even fucking start me, I swear.

https://media0.giphy.com/media/rDkX4wvlwOcWQ/200w.gif

[Amen]

Elemental P yeah bro, I'd definitely love to hear more.

The reason I brought up Hinterkaifeck is that it is a perfect example of my thought process on these types of subjects. Many years ago a whole family was violently slaughtered on a farm in a place called Hinterkaifeck in Germany. The case was never solved. It is a case that has been offered up to new detectives and law enforcement agencies for many years in an effort to finally get it solved. A few years back, it was deemed "unsolvable" as too much time has passed and there's no solid evidence available.

It's like the basis for The First 48, the best chance of solving a crime is within the first 48 hours after it was committed. Most of the stuff being debated that is hundreds or thousands of years old will have "proof" that should be questioned.

For any crime you start first with motive. This is why I think that the Moon Landing is a great subject for controversy. During that time, having the technology to make it to the moon would have gained much fear and respect from other countries.

Read this shit in that dude from IDTV's voice (Joe Kenda, I think his name is?) and nearly nodded off at my desk, LMAO. Shit was instant, bro lol!

[Elemental P]

Elemental P yeah bro, I'd definitely love to hear more.

The reason I brought up Hinterkaifeck is that it is a perfect example of my thought process on these types of subjects. Many years ago a whole family was violently slaughtered on a farm in a place called Hinterkaifeck in Germany. The case was never solved. It is a case that has been offered up to new detectives and law enforcement agencies for many years in an effort to finally get it solved. A few years back, it was deemed "unsolvable" as too much time has passed and there's no solid evidence available.

It's like the basis for The First 48, the best chance of solving a crime is within the first 48 hours after it was committed. Most of the stuff being debated that is hundreds or thousands of years old will have "proof" that should be questioned.

For any crime you start first with motive. This is why I think that the Moon Landing is a great subject for controversy. During that time, having the technology to make it to the moon would have gained much fear and respect from other countries.

My first question to you is have you listened to Cooper's MYSTERY BABYLON SERIES before? You know of him, but not sure if it's cuz his book (is main exposure). Cause if you're up to par with that Babylon series I can start from the beginning... Where basically there have always been a group of smarter humans (idk if the alien conspiracy shit is true with this that's a whole other topic) but that these specific groups of people like Freemasons, the Rose Cross Order, etc have actually been doing this shit from the start of time. Stanley Kubrick Space Odyssey is actually "their" beliefs and ideas of how mankind evolved, and why there's a special group privy to this "sacred knowledge". Also, in the book The Ultimate Frontier, they mentioned it was a group of people known as the Hyksos actually architect the great Pyramid (not build it themselves). Building the great Pyramid wasn't slave labor per se from what I read, more of a job, like people building the Hoover dam. But yeah I might make a new thread to stop flooding this one

[Batty]

Amen lol word, bro. I can't lie I just read it again and legit yawned.

[Batty]

My first question to you is have you listened to Cooper's MYSTERY BABYLON SERIES before? You know of him, but not sure if it's cuz his book (is main exposure). Cause if you're up to par with that Babylon series I can start from the beginning... Where basically there have always been a group of smarter humans (idk if the alien conspiracy shit is true with this that's a whole other topic) but that these specific groups of people like Freemasons, the Rose Cross Order, etc have actually been doing this shit from the start of time. Stanley Kubrick Space Odyssey is actually "their" beliefs and ideas of how mankind evolved, and why there's a special group privy to this "sacred knowledge". Also, in the book The Ultimate Frontier, they mentioned it was a group of people known as the Hyksos actually architect the great Pyramid (not build it themselves). Building the great Pyramid wasn't slave labor per se from what I read, more of a job, like people building the Hoover dam. But yeah I might make a new thread to stop flooding this one

Honestly, P... I've heard of the guy before, but I think the most I researched on him happened after I watched Zeitgesit. Just like you mentioned earlier, there's some BS in Zeitgesit as well as some interesting shit. I wanted to get some more insight after watching it because so many conspiracy type documentaries are BS. If you've researched the JFK Assassination, you already know that there's like 10,000 different people that DEFINTELY did it in every documentary.

I know Cooper discussed the freemasons heavily. but once you start getting so deep into all of these secret orders, it gets so convoluted and possibly nonsensical. I generally end up losing interest. It's pretty much what happened to me with the Assassin's Creed series and why I was basically done after the first game lol.

[Amen]

We need Chyea's expertise for confirmation on all of these conspiracy theories.

[veritas]

Honestly, P... I've heard of the guy before, but I think the most I researched on him happened after I watched Zeitgesit. Just like you mentioned earlier, there's some BS in Zeitgesit as well as some interesting shit. I wanted to get some more insight after watching it because so many conspiracy type documentaries are BS. If you've researched the JFK Assassination, you already know that there's like 10,000 different people that DEFINTELY did it in every documentary.

I know Cooper discussed the freemasons heavily. but once you start getting so deep into all of these secret orders, it gets so convoluted and possibly nonsensical. I generally end up losing interest. It's pretty much what happened to me with the Assassin's Creed series and why I was basically done after the first game lol.

Origins was dope fyi.


also, I think now that the Earth is a flat plane inside of a globe of some sort. I am also starting to think that geocentricism might be right. More on this to come.

I mean...if this is a they live/ the matrix sort of thing, then that makes perfect sense. It is all about us.

[Elemental P]

Honestly, P... I've heard of the guy before, but I think the most I researched on him happened after I watched Zeitgesit. Just like you mentioned earlier, there's some BS in Zeitgesit as well as some interesting shit. I wanted to get some more insight after watching it because so many conspiracy type documentaries are BS. If you've researched the JFK Assassination, you already know that there's like 10,000 different people that DEFINTELY did it in every documentary.

I know Cooper discussed the freemasons heavily. but once you start getting so deep into all of these secret orders, it gets so convoluted and possibly nonsensical. I generally end up losing interest. It's pretty much what happened to me with the Assassin's Creed series and why I was basically done after the first game lol.

See what bothers me though about all these different orders (there's over 100s supposedly) is some we're legit. I mean think about it like this, the pioneers of mankind such as Plato, Socrates etc etc were actual Adepts of these occult groups. Most of mankind's most intelligent people were in these types of orders, which supposedly date back to Sumerian. And that these "group of genius people" are trying to guide mankind etc or w.e

But it makes me wonder just how accurate is some of their beliefs if the smartest guys throughout history were a part of these orders... also a lot of Luciferian philosophy (basically Gnosisim) or the worship of knowledge, was their main source of worship, all the Pagan mythology etc is just symbolic of the worship of knowledge ..... according to some the stuff I read.

[Batty]

I mean...if this is a they live/ the matrix sort of thing, then that makes perfect sense. It is all about us.

I find both of those concepts to be accurate on a metaphorical level. Not that I wouldn't love dodging lizard alien's laser blasts in bullet time whilst wearing cool shades, I'm just sayin...

It's about being sheep and not paying attention while they control us.


I like Watchmen for similar reasons. There are reasons why the public can't know certain things. Ignorance truly is bliss on so many levels. Look at the amount of people who believe that God himself handpicked Trump to be president and look at the number of rappers who used to consider Trump a role model but jump on the hate wagon now. It's easy to control the masses.

[Batty]

See what bothers me though about all these different orders (there's over 100s supposedly) is some we're legit. I mean think about it like this, the pioneers of mankind such as Plato, Socrates etc etc were actual Adepts of these occult groups. Most of mankind's most intelligent people were in these types of orders, which supposedly date back to Sumerian. And that these "group of genius people" are trying to guide mankind etc or w.e

But it makes me wonder just how accurate is some of their beliefs if the smartest guys throughout history were a part of these orders... also a lot of Luciferian philosophy (basically Gnosisim) or the worship of knowledge, was their main source of worship, all the Pagan mythology etc is just symbolic of the worship of knowledge ..... according to some the stuff I read.

It's all about perspective, P. Nothing during those times could prepare people for the age we live in now. Imagine some of those niggas being on Facebook now lol. People like Phillip K. Dick and Gene Roddenberry actually predicted the future better than say, Nostradamus. However, there's the fact that they were "much closer to the future" than guys like Nostradamus.

Also, there's the theory that much of technology was actually influenced by sci fi itself. Several generations have grown up wanting tricorders and lightsabers, etc.

[veritas]

It all comes back to what Jesus represents.

[Elemental P]

It all comes back to what Jesus represents.

Which Jesus of which religion lol

[Batty]

http://wp.production.patheos.com/blogs/exploringourmatrix/files/2014/12/Darth-Jesus.jpg

[veritas]

Which Jesus of which religion lol

I do not understand your question. Please state it in another manner.