caring about athletes health and well being

[uh-oh]

why

this is probably the most annoying thing in the modern era

whether its the nonsense in football like we care about cte or the ufc fighters being underpaid or steroids in sports to blah blah

do you actually care? and can you explain to me why i should?

as long as the athlete is aware of the situation and is a willing participant why do we care?

if you are a ufc fighter and get 30k for a fight, you accept and sign a contract, why should i feel like the ufc is fucking you? and better yet why should i care? if you are a football player and you are in the NFL why am i concerned for your mental health?

i dunno, its mainly those two sports because they are the only ones i give a fuck about

and i literally only give a fuck about them because of the physicality and brutality involved

as a kid my idols were ray lewis and mike alstott lol. i want to see car crashes between human beings. in the ufc i want to see liddel vs rampage every fight

the reason im a fan is the murderfest of it.

i just don't understand the concept of caring about the people involved, it feels disingenuous

[Inno]

No one signed up for cte bruh

[uh-oh]

ok. so do you think they should be changing rules that fundamentally change (ruin) the sport? or they keep the sport the same, and everyone entering the sport obviously knows about it now?

i don't get it. look at boxing. anthony joshua and deonte wilder and whoever else, every new young champion boxer knew from day 1 about the possibility of becoming punch drunk.

they didn't put in rules to stop people from punching to the head. i mean sure they cut down the rounds because someone died in the ring. but you get what im saying.

every high school football player/college/ everyone knows about it. should the liability be put on the players or the organization?

im in the auto body field, i fuck with paints, chemicals, dusts all types of shit. i know i can get cancer from it. anyone playing football knows they can get CTE

if they don't want it, don't play.

quit nerfing the world

[Fart]

I dont really care unless its a player on my fav team.

NFL/NCAA changed equipment and rules to protect against brain injuries and now theres more knee/hamstring/ankle injuries than ever. It doesn't do shit tbh

they know what they are risking.

If you dont want to get injured play flag football or soccer or baseball

[Witty]

Yeah cuz people don't get injured playing those sports.

[uh-oh]

i think the sentiment is them not being contact sports. a tackle in soccer isn't like a tackle in rugby. and a tackle in rugby is soft in comparison to american football because the tackler has to worry about hurting himself in the process.

but word, its in regards to actual contact sports

hell i don't watch hockey so i could be off base and they changed back, but i remember a push to stop fighting, and maybe even shrinking the rink? or discussions of it, and rule changes because people were getting destroyed. think maybe it was something like you cant just go full speed from one end and crush a guy you have to start from a certain line? again im showing my ignorance i know nothing

but basically every combat sport outside of fighting has been softened it seems

bring back swords

[Witty]

A tackle in soccer can and has shattered bones on many occasions. Torns ligaments are a regular occurrence, as are snapped hamstrings. Not to mention the massive problem of brain trauma, caused by blows to the head, in the sport recently, it is absolutely a contact sport. But I agree with the premise of this thread, they know the risks and are getting paid millions to take that risk.

[bleak]

Euro football is really a tough sport esp at the speed they're playing these days

[uh-oh]

i guess its technically a "limited-contact sport". my bad

Limited-contact sports are sports for which the rules are specifically designed to prevent contact between players either intentionally or unintentionally. Contact can still happen, but penalties are often used to disallow substantial contact between players. These penalties, including physically removing players from the field of play, mean that contact is moderate or rare.

Examples include soccer, basketball, baseball, softball, field hockey, women's lacrosse, netball, korfball, Gaelic football, hurling, shinty, polo, ultimate, bandy, and underwater hockey.

but this discussion is about full contact sports. if you inflict an injury its because you actually meant to hit the guy within the rules of the sport

but my main purpose of this thread was to understand the mindset of people who actually disagree

because im constantly seeing articles criticizing the safety of players or criticizing organizations due to their "unfair treatment" they sign up for.

[bleak]

Oh I can't advocate for those ppl I'm a Sean Taylor/Dawkins fan lol

[Destroyer]

No one cares about football players health while wanting them to continue to play football
The sport itself is dangerous and no one gives a fuck cause gatorade

[Fart]

Soccer is not comparable, at all. Severe injury rate is 1000's times higher in footballs

[Witty]

Well obviously.

[Witty]

Also, there are more dangerous sports than Boxing or American Football...Horse Riding for instance, or...wait for it....Cheerleading.

[Amen]

I dont really care unless its a player on my fav team.

NFL/NCAA changed equipment and rules to protect against brain injuries and now theres more knee/hamstring/ankle injuries than ever. It doesn't do shit tbh

they know what they are risking.

If you dont want to get injured play flag football or soccer or baseball

You can get injured in any sport man. We are humans. The body can only take so much bro.

[Amen]

Anyone watch the UFC card tonight? Or the Showtime boxing card?

Some good fights. Adrian Broner should have won that fight man... Draws are so gay...

[~RustyGunZ~]

The problem is a lot of kids are getting minor brain damage at a young age where they don’t know what they’re doing and while dealing with that they are pushed by adults around them to dedicate their life to that sport. Then they are taunted with millions of dollars and fame.

So nah, it’s not as simple as “they know what they’re getting into”.

[Incredible]

People who play fantasy sports, its useful information.

[Geno]

Idc. Do you care? Who cares? Im sure there teams coaches and family care. But who cares? Idc

[Amen]

Parental pressure exists.

Especially from parents who were for athletes and didn’t make the pro level for what ever reason.

I coach both Baseball and Football and see it a lot. Kids hardly interested and parents forcing them to play a sport. It’s a shame, thank god my kids love playing sports. Some of these kids are brutal to coach man.

[Amen]

Parental pressure exists.

Especially from parents who were former athletes and didn’t make the pro level for what ever reason.

I coach both Baseball and Football and see it a lot. Kids hardly interested and parents forcing them to play a sport. It’s a shame, thank god my kids love playing sports. Some of these kids are brutal to coach man.

I clicked edit on my last post. Not sure why it quoted lol the edit... weird.

[uh-oh]

The problem is a lot of kids are getting minor brain damage at a young age where they don’t know what they’re doing and while dealing with that they are pushed by adults around them to dedicate their life to that sport. Then they are taunted with millions of dollars and fame.

So nah, it’s not as simple as “they know what they’re getting into”.

its nonsense. they don't hit hard enough to do any lasting damage to their brain until they are old enough to make their own decisions

any kid being forced to play at the high school level isn't going to be good enough to make it anyways so pretending that he is in danger is malarkey

im also not sold on cte as a whole just because they only test people for it who were at risk in the first place

so when studies come out like 108 out of 111 brains had CTE its like ok. how many brains out of 100 have it who never played football?

but yea the whole CTE discussion already has parents not letting their kids play these sports, which just further illustrates that those who do play know the risks

[Amen]

Nah bro.

Concussion protocol is pretty strict anymore.

I know every year I have to sit through a 4 hour seminar regarding youth tackling techniques, concussion prevention and concussion protocol.

Even if a kid leads helmet, he's ejected immediately - has to see a doctor as a concussion preventitive measure and if deemed he was concussed he has to sit for 4 games NO PRACTICE - 5th week he must see his doctor and get cleared. If cleared he must practice with helmet only no contact which isn't much. Ideally a kid can miss up to 10 weeks and there is only 12 in a season - 15 including playoff and champ game.

[~RustyGunZ~]

Parental pressure exists.

Especially from parents who were for athletes and didn’t make the pro level for what ever reason.

I coach both Baseball and Football and see it a lot. Kids hardly interested and parents forcing them to play a sport. It’s a shame, thank god my kids love playing sports. Some of these kids are brutal to coach man.

its nonsense. they don't hit hard enough to do any lasting damage to their brain until they are old enough to make their own decisions

any kid being forced to play at the high school level isn't going to be good enough to make it anyways so pretending that he is in danger is malarkey

im also not sold on cte as a whole just because they only test people for it who were at risk in the first place

so when studies come out like 108 out of 111 brains had CTE its like ok. how many brains out of 100 have it who never played football?

but yea the whole CTE discussion already has parents not letting their kids play these sports, which just further illustrates that those who do play know the risks

Sometimes you have cool different views on things

Sometimes your a close minded self important douchebag

This is one of the dumb douchebag moments

You must’ve either not played sports growing up or didn’t show any signs of talent so weren’t thrown into the ringer

[~RustyGunZ~]

Amen you weren’t supposed to be quoted there, think I hit multiple quote button on the other page. Don’t feel like editing

[Amen]

Word.

Uh oh definitely wrong here lol.

[big baby]

itt iowa neanderthal wnt ppl 2 know he doesn't care bout ppl better den him for millionth time

[uh-oh]

Sometimes you have cool different views on things

Sometimes your a close minded self important douchebag

This is one of the dumb douchebag moments

You must’ve either not played sports growing up or didn’t show any signs of talent so weren’t thrown into the ringer

i played midget and middle school before discovering the delights of weed pussy and video games

little kids get their "bell rung" but to pretend that its anything serious is nonsense, all this is over preventative nonsense because no one understands CTE yet.

middle school level ehhh you might get an ACTUAL concussion, high school definitely

you guys are talking like im not from one of the youth football capitols of the nation lol. this is the heartland the hall of fame is in my city

im not even sure where im wrong? Amen you're basically cosigning that parents are aware of it, even your league is super strict on the protocol

my opinions on the severity of an injury doesn't change the point of people KNOWING what they're getting into, espescially when its as overprotective these days as you describe

[Amen]

People not knowing about what they are getting in to.

Trust, they know. How can you not know with all the awareness and social media platforms.

[uh-oh]

Thats what ive been saying?

[Amen]

Yes, that is where I feel you are wrong. People know.

It's the same for drugs. People know they are bad but still do them.

[uh-oh]

So you agree but im wrong?

Thats enough NC for today.

Mods close this.

[Amen]

I'm NOT agreeing dude.

You said people don't know what they are getting in to. I'm saying THEY DO.

[uh-oh]

I'm NOT agreeing dude.

You said people don't know what they are getting in to. I'm saying THEY DO.
i feel like you're just trolling me now. i never once said they don't know what they are getting into. its been the opposite of that basically this entire thread

[Amen]

Misread one of your posts dude, my bad. Thought you stated people don't know what they are getting in to..

Sometimes skim through your posts because it's a lot to read some times and I was on the go.

[~RustyGunZ~]

i played midget and middle school before discovering the delights of weed pussy and video games

little kids get their "bell rung" but to pretend that its anything serious is nonsense, all this is over preventative nonsense because no one understands CTE yet.

middle school level ehhh you might get an ACTUAL concussion, high school definitely

you guys are talking like im not from one of the youth football capitols of the nation lol. this is the heartland the hall of fame is in my city

im not even sure where im wrong? Amen you're basically cosigning that parents are aware of it, even your league is super strict on the protocol

my opinions on the severity of an injury doesn't change the point of people KNOWING what they're getting into, espescially when its as overprotective these days as you describe

I know plenty of dudes who got concussions in middle school. One kid couldn’t wrestle or play football anymore by 10th grade because he had 5 and his head was “like a glass bowl”.

Doesn’t matter where you’re from like you said you weren’t involved by the point it’s more serious. I don’t know how to operate a snow plow just because I’m from upstate New York.

[Amen]

And yeah, I know a kid who almost was killed in little league because he took a line drive to the chest. Dudes heart legit stopped.

There are injuries IN EVERY sport. And like Knock said, youths can get concussions just as easily man... All depends on the impact and the shift of brain fluids which cause concussions/KO'S.

[~RustyGunZ~]

ITT uh oh doesn’t realize the scale of size and force between two youths colliding and two adults colliding

I can take a rock to the head without being seriously injured so guess I’ll throw em at my one year olds head

[uh-oh]

im speaking on YOUTH FOOTBALL, i specifically said once its in high school is when its actually relevant

im not sure how it works now, amen coaches so he could probably shed light on it, but midget football the limit to carrying the ball was 120lbs. if you were over that you got an X on your helmet and you couldn't be in a skills position, that was the late 90's early 00's. no one was hitting like that because little kids don't have the mass and can't generate the speed to murk eachother. at worst they get their breath knocked out, you can get your bell rung sure, but a full on concussion is about as rare as it gets

middle school was slightly different but again, they're fucking tiny with a few exceptions

[~RustyGunZ~]

So middle schoolers have the know-how and choice to not play sports because it could have lifelong effects?

Even high schoolers?

[uh-oh]

their parents do

you can not allow your kid to play if you are worried about it

if the kids are being forced to play they ain't making it far enough to be worried about it.

[~RustyGunZ~]

their parents do

you can not allow your kid to play if you are worried about it

if the kids are being forced to play they ain't making it far enough to be worried about it.

Any support to that argument?

Or does it just sound right in your head?

[Amen]

their parents do

you can not allow your kid to play if you are worried about it

if the kids are being forced to play they ain't making it far enough to be worried about it.

Not accurate.

My son layed a kid out during practice. We were doing king of the hill drills and my son leveled another kid who’s parent forces him to play. These are the kids that typically get injured man. You don’t know what you’re talking about lol.

[uh-oh]

so your son gave the other kid a concussion?

or your son just bodied him

there is a difference between being hurt and being injured. i stub my toe all the time, ive never broken it

that kid being forced to play ain't gonna make the cut when the time comes

he'll be fine

[Amen]

so your son gave the other kid a concussion?

or your son just bodied him

there is a difference between being hurt and being injured. i stub my toe all the time, ive never broken it

that kid being forced to play ain't gonna make the cut when the time comes

he'll be fine

Both.

[~RustyGunZ~]

No everything he says is the truth amen. He thinks it sounds right so must be true.

[Amen]

so your son gave the other kid a concussion?

or your son just bodied him

there is a difference between being hurt and being injured. i stub my toe all the time, ive never broken it

that kid being forced to play ain't gonna make the cut when the time comes

he'll be fine

Lol, bro - do you not understand that any type of impact can cause a concussion?

Do you not understand that children being concussed is a whole lot worse then an adult? Reason being their brains are still developing?

Like your logic in this matter is flawed, bro.

It's a lot easier for a child to get a concussion then an adult.

I had to deny a kid from playing after his parent openly admitted he's had 5 concussion and he's only 7 years old lol.

A kid can fall down bump his head and get a concussion - I mean so can and adult but the chances are much greater for children.

[uh-oh]

Fuck outta hea

All kids do is smash there dumb heads off shit. Your pussy son didnt concuss anybody from 3 yards out

Lmfao

[Amen]

He'd concuss you and your pea brain, thats for sure.

DO you know what king of the hill drills are dude? LOL

Definitely not 3 yards of anything. It's full speed contact running about 10/15 yards of both kids going for the "Loose ball/Fumble".

[uh-oh]

How olds your kid?

I dont believe your tale of proud fatherness. It took me two hours to find a vid on youtube of a kid getting ko'd and even that was on some "this lil niggas embarrassed he got smacked and is playing dead"

The rest of the vicious hits were too big headed 4 ft tall boobs making normal tackles

Your sons soft and ill fuck his anus

Lmfao

[Amen]

Lmfao, wtf.

He’s 8. But stocky, fast and hits hard.

http://i.imgur.com/jagtFuV.jpg

[Amen]

This dude said he went on youtube.

[~RustyGunZ~]

Uh oh you’re taking an L from Amen it’s time to admit you don’t know fuck all of what you’re talking about here. You never got hit in high school football cus you never left the bench clearly lmao.

[boof]

ITT uh oh reveals he has the type of brain damage from peewee football that deteriorated the part of his brain that understands how brain damage works

[Ghost1]

I scanned up a few posts to see about the gist of this thread and saw uh oh saying he was going to fuck amens son in the ass. that's enough netcees for today.

[~RustyGunZ~]

I scanned up a few posts to see about the gist of this thread and saw uh oh saying he was going to fuck amens son in the ass. that's enough netcees for today.

Hush you and uh oh would have a wild time at the playground

[bleak]

Yikes

[Inno]

Kids don’t even have to play a contact sport to get concussed lol

Uh oh trolled the shit out you all lol

[Destroyer]

Kids don’t have to play a contact sport to get anally violated by uh-oh either

[Inno]

Good lord

[PancakeBrah]

The liberal media has made all of you into women who think with emotion, bros. Before Obama you could call someone's son soft and that you'd fuck his anus without a bunch of pinko SJW's virtue signaling the fuck out of you.

[uh-oh]

The liberal media has made all of you into women who think with emotion, bros. Before Obama you could call someone's son soft and that you'd fuck his anus without a bunch of pinko SJW's virtue signaling the fuck out of you.

im sayin tho

[uh-oh]

also its scientifically impossible to get a concussion if you are under the age of 14

source - scientific journal of america via google

don't waste your time googling it

[bleak]

The liberal media has made all of you into women who think with emotion, bros. Before Obama you could call someone's son soft and that you'd fuck his anus without a bunch of pinko SJW's virtue signaling the fuck out of you.

Destroyer to confirm it's never been ok to tell a man ur gonna fuck his son in the ass

[Destroyer]

I’m old but I can’t speak for the Middle Ages

[Amen]

LMFAO impossible to get a concussion under the age of 14.

I'm done.

[Destroyer]

He means u can’t get a concussion if you only do it in the butt
That’s legit

[~RustyGunZ~]

Uh oh is backtracking as a “troll” cus he looks stupid as fuck itt

I’ll take it as admitting you were wrong and move on

[uh-oh]

nah i stand by my statements

worrying about concussions in youth football is useless, you ain't in real danger til high school

i just get bored of re-iterating the same point over and over

arguing opinion is useless

[PancakeBrah]

Then why is every single topic you make a starter for arguing about opinions.

[uh-oh]

Then why is every single topic you make a starter for arguing about opinions.

because i enjoy arguing opinions up to the point of reiteration

duh

get with it noob

[~RustyGunZ~]

because i enjoy arguing opinions up to the point of reiteration

duh

get with it noob

You should be listening to the facts that prove your opinion wrong and alter your opinion then. Otherwise you continuing to live is pointless. Better yourself.

[uh-oh]

you use your facts, i use mine

i have a track record of bettering myself

you have a track record of pretending to be a jew

who are you

[big baby]

itt idaho potato uh o fucka lil kids in butT and thinks concussions are toof fairy (but he beleeve in toots fairy cus he hav non teeth HAH!!)

[big baby]

fucka idiyote

[~RustyGunZ~]

you use your facts, i use mine

i have a track record of bettering myself

you have a track record of pretending to be a jew

who are you

I’ve never seen you change your opinion or use facts lol

I like most of your posting it’s just like. Don’t you want to advance your intellect?

I don’t make many threads looking for opinions and when I do always take advice and unknown information to heart. Comparing my posting style to yours is just dumb.

[uh-oh]

I was speaking about bettering myself literally, like in life not my posting habits. Its hard to better perfection. (My posting)

But honestly if it is explained what is being won or lost i will concede defeat if defeated. This thread has gone from debating about what makes a sport a contact sport, to amen thinking that i DONT think people are awate of cte and concussions in football to somehow there being an epidemic of concussions in youth football?

Im saying its ridiculously difficult, extremely rare if at all that an 8-11 year old can have a concussion that is life altering. I used science in stating this, with a simple mass x momentum argument, they are too slow and to small. They need to be at the high school level while conceding its more probable in middle school

But i lost cuz amen says his kid is ko'ing people at 8?

What facts am i missing

[~RustyGunZ~]

Go back and read what I’ve said to you about it. I’ve proven the point that you’re not thinking right on the topic already. It’s not that near and dear to me to continue about it lol. It’s aimply not as black and white as “people know their brains will be mushed up for millions it’s their fault”.

[Amen]

Uh oh you are wrong dude. It's that simple. You are wrong lol.

[Amen]

nah i stand by my statements

worrying about concussions in youth football is useless, you ain't in real danger til high school

i just get bored of re-iterating the same point over and over

arguing opinion is useless

So, I've recently read a study on youth football and concussions (And immediately thought of our debate on the topic) and most neurologist agree that kids SHOULD NOT play football until they reach high school due to their brains still at early stages of development and all the CTE issues/claims.

What were you saying about youth concussions? That they don't exist?

Let's discuss.

[uh-oh]

the risk of your child having a life altering concussion playing youth football is non existent.

all of the studies i've found were performed on people who played football up to and through the professional level.

there are no studies on people who only played youth football, because there is no point, because they'd have to test literally every american man who wasn't a dweeb.

[Amen]

Lmao

[Amen]

https://i.imgur.com/IU6vCCq.jpg

My song leveled that kid who tried to tackle him, dropped his shoulder right in to him and trucked him.

Kid could barely stand after words and had to be carried off of the field. He attempted to stand and immediately fell as if he was KO'd or DRUNK.

My son was in full speed/stride when the collision occurred.

you're wrong, man.

[Destroyer]

The word is “afterwards”
But, you’re right, it is dangerous

[Amen]

iPhone auto correct is the worst.

My "song" leveled him too, eh?

There a way to turn this shit off.

Had to backspace "SHOT" and type in shit like 7 times lol...

[cac lover]

I don't care about my neighbors health and well being but if devonte freeman's hurt im pissed

[uh-oh]

https://i.imgur.com/IU6vCCq.jpg

My song leveled that kid who tried to tackle him, dropped his shoulder right in to him and trucked him.

Kid could barely stand after words and had to be carried off of the field. He attempted to stand and immediately fell as if he was KO'd or DRUNK.

My son was in full speed/stride when the collision occurred.

you're wrong, man.

LIFE ALTERING

[Amen]

It could be as he gets older, moron lol.