REAL QUESTION: IS IT POSSIBLE TO HAVE A DEBATE WITH OUT AN ARGUMENT?

[Inno]

Now I know the question is vague but let me elaborate....

I’ve always heard that debates are the hishest form of education. Only the most advanced society’s have debated right?

But I’ve never seen a debate not regress to a simple name calling, my views are better than yours, your wrong I’m right form.

So...

Is it actually possible to have a legit debate? And are there examples of this through out history?

I ask this simple becuase every issue brought up on NC is always disputed and never brought to a satisfactory end...

Opinions?

[Mediocrity]

Not on the internet

[Candy]

Now I know the question is vague but let me elaborate....

I’ve always heard that debates are the hishest form of education. Only the most advanced society’s have debated right?

But I’ve never seen a debate not regress to a simple name calling, my views are better than yours, your wrong I’m right form.

So...

Is it actually possible to have a legit debate? And are there examples of this through out history?

I ask this simple becuase every issue brought up on NC is always disputed and never brought to a satisfactory end...

Opinions?

yes, its the same as an artist sexual agender from i without you..

or a philisophy..
because it covers soo many duplicate grounds to be correct once, in fields that cover open/no answer
the only way to answer it is more open/no answers
until the cross of its completion settles in..

you just have to keep on looking to it.. worst case scenario you land as a lecture for what to do & what not to do..

[Exis]

What would you like us to have a debate on that doesn't lead to an argument...?

[Geno]

Sexual genders. Obv

[Suthaveli]

It depends on the individuals involve. Most times when hving a debate its against someone who doesn't hv the same beliefs ss you.
For ex, i look at mny things from a logical perspective so i tend to butt heads w.one who uses emotion to fuel their debate. Not saying this is the case w.everyone, or this is always the case w.me but in many situations it tends to go tht way.
Interent gives mny a platform to speak much of their true inner feels w.out fear. Then there are people who like to be argumentative just for the sake of. Most times when it resorts to name calling, the argument is being loss do they try to bring you dwn to their lvl. Or they hv nothing to present to the table in the first place & are using it as bait to get attention from ya.
We as in people are nt complicated. Actions will reveal all.
This is all imo tho.

[Geno]

I think suth just closed thread.

[Amen]

From my understanding debates are typically a group of individuals with data and facts
in their presentations to back up their view points.

Arguments involved no facts and are generally hear say vs hear say with some references from google lol. Typically the NC "Debate" threads.

Like Suth said - I doubt there will ever be a satisfactory closing on a "debate" here because people get in their feelings. Or begin to attack someone who's views differ because they are dick riders and allow others or the "Popular" persona to drive their views.

[~RustyGunZ~]

It depends on the individuals involve. Most times when hving a debate its against someone who doesn't hv the same beliefs ss you.
For ex, i look at mny things from a logical perspective so i tend to butt heads w.one who uses emotion to fuel their debate. Not saying this is the case w.everyone, or this is always the case w.me but in many situations it tends to go tht way.
Interent gives mny a platform to speak much of their true inner feels w.out fear. Then there are people who like to be argumentative just for the sake of. Most times when it resorts to name calling, the argument is being loss do they try to bring you dwn to their lvl. Or they hv nothing to present to the table in the first place & are using it as bait to get attention from ya.
We as in people are nt complicated. Actions will reveal all.
This is all imo tho.

Debates and constructive arguments are meant to change opinions, not beliefs. Not many things belong in the beliefs column for any given person. All debates become arguments here because of trolling. Not that everyone trolls, but one troll in a thread can lean it to an argument. Also ego. People that aren’t willing to accept that their opinions might be at least somewhat wrong will just argue at walls.

[Suthaveli]

Debates and constructive arguments are meant to change opinions, not beliefs. Not many things belong in the beliefs column for any given person. All debates become arguments here because of trolling. Not that everyone trolls, but one troll in a thread can lean it to an argument. Also ego. People that aren’t willing to accept that their opinions might be at least somewhat wrong will just argue at walls.

Beliefs was def the wrong wrd. But you're right.

[boof]

i do it a lot on FB

but i only get the same courtesy back about a quarter of the time

[uh-oh]

anyone entering a debate with the objective of changing the other persons mind failed.

your only hope is to look more sane to the people on the sidelines. nothing that is hard fact can be logically debated, you're simply trying to sway the people who never decided to have a thought on whatever standpoint is being debated.

[~RustyGunZ~]

anyone entering a debate with the objective of changing the other persons mind failed.

your only hope is to look more sane to the people on the sidelines. nothing that is hard fact can be logically debated, you're simply trying to sway the people who never decided to have a thought on whatever standpoint is being debated.

This is a shit way of thinking. This logic is why name calling and non-arguments are overused in debates.

[Flow]

Debates consist of arguing different points to an agreed conclusion. Its only when no agreed conclusion can be met that it becomes the modern use of the word *argument*

But by the nature of a debate one must argue ones point.

[uh-oh]

if you don't have an unwavering standpoint you shouldn't be debating something imo

you've looked at all the facts and came to your own conclusion. if someone else can bring facts you havent seen to the debate that changes your mind you shouldnt have been debating in the first place.

NC's is a place where the uninformed debate all the time though, i'm more talking from the scope of history

do you think an anti 2nd amendment person debating an NRA person is going to sway them or vice versa? they both have all the facts, they just disagree. them debating will sway neither of them, but someone who hasn't bothered to look into the subject can see them debate and come to their own conclusion from it.

same with the presidential debates. the goal isn't for hillary clinton to change donald trumps mind. its for her to seem like she knows more on the subject than him, and her viewpoint to seem like the logical one. so more people agree and vote for her

or whoever is what im saying

TRY AND DEBATE IT CUCKS

[~RustyGunZ~]

if you don't have an unwavering standpoint you shouldn't be debating something imo

you've looked at all the facts and came to your own conclusion. if someone else can bring facts you havent seen to the debate that changes your mind you shouldnt have been debating in the first place.

NC's is a place where the uninformed debate all the time though, i'm more talking from the scope of history

do you think an anti 2nd amendment person debating an NRA person is going to sway them or vice versa? they both have all the facts, they just disagree. them debating will sway neither of them, but someone who hasn't bothered to look into the subject can see them debate and come to their own conclusion from it.

same with the presidential debates. the goal isn't for hillary clinton to change donald trumps mind. its for her to seem like she knows more on the subject than him, and her viewpoint to seem like the logical one. so more people agree and vote for her

or whoever is what im saying

TRY AND DEBATE IT CUCKS

It can’t change the opinions of people like you because you’re delusional to the fact you can be wrong even with supporting evidence.

You use cucks in a dumb way.

[uh-oh]

define wrong though, i wouldn't debate something i can be factually wrong in. i would never debate that the earth is flat, for example. i only engage in opinion type debates where no one is inherently correct, its about where you side on the argument.

[~RustyGunZ~]

define wrong though, i wouldn't debate something i can be factually wrong in. i would never debate that the earth is flat, for example. i only engage in opinion type debates where no one is inherently correct, its about where you side on the argument.

There are very few facts in life. You used the gun debate as an example. There is nothing factual in those arguments.

[Enbombz]

the environment it's held tends to dictate how people will behave. Without the threat of social embarrassment or violence people will just say whatever With little need to think about what they are saying. Most people on here resort to being merely a charactature of a version of themselves that they can't be in wider society.

[Amen]

define wrong though, i wouldn't debate something i can be factually wrong in. i would never debate that the earth is flat, for example. i only engage in opinion type debates where no one is inherently correct, its about where you side on the argument.

You were debating youth concussions and you were factually wrong, might I add lol.

[Ghost1]

So nc team of idiots going to have a debate that turns into an argument about debates that turn into arguments today huh?

Solid.

Yes there are worthwhile debates on myriad of complex subjects.

No there are not worthwhile debates on social media from the average participant.

[uh-oh]

There are very few facts in life. You used the gun debate as an example. There is nothing factual in those arguments.
there are facts used to dispute each side. statistics etc, but you are basically arguing my point. you can't debate something that is a fact of life. the sun rises in the east and sets in the west. you can't debate that. you can only debate opinion, and only cite facts that support your opinion.

like amen and his youth football nonsense he's bringing back up. the only time i was saying its impossible for a kid in youth football to get a concussion was when it turned to trolling because you guys weren't paying attention to what i was saying.

which is it is less likely for the youth to get a concussion because of the mass and speed of them, it creates smaller collisions

i think it was brought up again that they are smaller/weaker so they are more susceptible

but the debate lies in there, whether you think their fragility outweighs the strength of the impacts. im assuming you guys think that since they're frail little kids the little impacts they take leave them more susceptible to a concussion than a bigger kid/adult athlete who is actually hitting harder

so the countless times i brought up it being more dangerous the higher levels it goes, was ignored because you guys interpreted that its impossible for a kid to get a concussion. and my trolling saying literally that, after being annoyed at my overall point being ignored didn't help matters. which was its much safer for youth kids to collide in regards to concussions than high school and up.

[Witty]

So nc team of idiots going to have a debate that turns into an argument about debates that turn into arguments today huh?

Solid.

Yes there are worthwhile debates on myriad of complex subjects.

No there are not worthwhile debates on social media from the average participant.

I'm currently debating with myself on whether to rape you first and murder you after, or vice versa.

[~RustyGunZ~]

So nc team of idiots going to have a debate that turns into an argument about debates that turn into arguments today huh?

Solid.

Yes there are worthwhile debates on myriad of complex subjects.

No there are not worthwhile debates on social media from the average participant.

You think you know what’s what on complex mermaid subjects? You’re not even a mermaid.

This is why uh oh and trump are winning.

[Amen]

Lmfao, this guy uh-oh

[uh-oh]

MAGA nigga

[~RustyGunZ~]

there are facts used to dispute each side. statistics etc, but you are basically arguing my point. you can't debate something that is a fact of life. the sun rises in the east and sets in the west. you can't debate that. you can only debate opinion, and only cite facts that support your opinion.

like amen and his youth football nonsense he's bringing back up. the only time i was saying its impossible for a kid in youth football to get a concussion was when it turned to trolling because you guys weren't paying attention to what i was saying.

which is it is less likely for the youth to get a concussion because of the mass and speed of them, it creates smaller collisions

i think it was brought up again that they are smaller/weaker so they are more susceptible

but the debate lies in there, whether you think their fragility outweighs the strength of the impacts. im assuming you guys think that since they're frail little kids the little impacts they take leave them more susceptible to a concussion than a bigger kid/adult athlete who is actually hitting harder

so the countless times i brought up it being more dangerous the higher levels it goes, was ignored because you guys interpreted that its impossible for a kid to get a concussion. and my trolling saying literally that, after being annoyed at my overall point being ignored didn't help matters. which was its much safer for youth kids to collide in regards to concussions than high school and up.

That was your opinion that was not based on facts or evidence. You seem to understand what a fact is in your first bit and then show you don’t in the next. You didn’t show us any evidence your opinion was correct. Everyone but you disagreed with it. Those are situations where you should think about backing up your claims and realizing they’re nonsense when you can’t. Your argument ignores physics and medical research but was okay in your mind because you live in potatoe country so youre a first hand expert.

Debates become nonsense arguments when people think their opinions based on nothing are facts. That whole thread was a perfect example.

[big baby]

there are facts used to dispute each side. statistics etc, but you are basically arguing my point. you can't debate something that is a fact of life. the sun rises in the east and sets in the west. you can't debate that. you can only debate opinion, and only cite facts that support your opinion.

like amen and his youth football nonsense he's bringing back up. the only time i was saying its impossible for a kid in youth football to get a concussion was when it turned to trolling because you guys weren't paying attention to what i was saying.

which is it is less likely for the youth to get a concussion because of the mass and speed of them, it creates smaller collisions

i think it was brought up again that they are smaller/weaker so they are more susceptible

but the debate lies in there, whether you think their fragility outweighs the strength of the impacts. im assuming you guys think that since they're frail little kids the little impacts they take leave them more susceptible to a concussion than a bigger kid/adult athlete who is actually hitting harder

so the countless times i brought up it being more dangerous the higher levels it goes, was ignored because you guys interpreted that its impossible for a kid to get a concussion. and my trolling saying literally that, after being annoyed at my overall point being ignored didn't help matters. which was its much safer for youth kids to collide in regards to concussions than high school and up.

it's the same thing u fucka retardo. if a chicken fights another chicken to the death it's still a fight to the death- same if a lion were to fight to the desth with another lion. yes lions prob stronger than a chicken but they're still getting hurt but they're just different size u fucking moron fgt

[big baby]

nobody cares about ur wet dream of super strong football players being so obscenely strong they give each other concussions lmfao fucka idiyote. MY OOINT WAS THAT U HET A CONCUSSION BUT DIFFERENT CUS UR WEak, HEY AMEN I FUCK UR KID IN ANUS HEHE TROLL. inversely if a kid were to rape another kid it would still be rape, her if u were to rape the same kid it probably wouldn't be rape .CUS UR A SMALL DICKED FUCKA IDIYOTE MOWRUN LMAO fuckiA LOSER

[Amen]

ar·gu·ment
ˈärɡyəmənt
noun
1. an exchange of diverging or opposite views, typically a heated or angry one. "I've had an argument with my father"


2. a reason or set of reasons given with the aim of persuading others that an action or idea is right or wrong. "there is a strong argument for submitting a formal appeal"


de·bate
dəˈbāt
noun
1. a formal discussion on a particular topic in a public meeting or legislative assembly, in which opposing arguments are put forward.

2. argue about (a subject), especially in a formal manner. "the board debated his proposal"

[uh-oh]

That was your opinion that was not based on facts or evidence. You seem to understand what a fact is in your first bit and then show you don’t in the next. You didn’t show us any evidence your opinion was correct. Everyone but you disagreed with it. Those are situations where you should think about backing up your claims and realizing they’re nonsense when you can’t. Your argument ignores physics and medical research but was okay in your mind because you live in potatoe country so youre a first hand expert.

Debates become nonsense arguments when people think their opinions based on nothing are facts. That whole thread was a perfect example.

my whole argument is physics and medical research

google concussion statistics in youth football vs. high school vs. college vs. nfl

kids weighing 100 lbs that run a 8.8 40 yard dash don't have the same mass and speed as kids that weigh 200 in highschool and put up 4.6's

you guys presented no evidence, just your opinion. so i didn't present any evidence, just opinion, i thought it was retarded to think otherwise. but here is the first article after googling "less likely for concussion in youth football"

http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/2325967116686784

Injury is more likely to occur in youth flag football than in youth tackle football. Severe injuries and concussions were not significantly different between leagues. Concussion was more likely to occur during games than during practice. Players in the sixth or seventh grade were more likely to suffer a concussion than were younger players.


you can extrapolate the data as the players get bigger, stronger and faster

its not a retarded viewpoint, its backed by science, physics and data.

im sure you could google is youth football more dangerous and find an article with facts that back your side

which again proves my whole point of you can only debate things that aren't fact at their core. neither of us will budge on this so if you think im whats wrong with debates understand you are the same person on the opposite side of this debate

[uh-oh]

ps. i found a bunch more studies, some even stating that youth football has higher concussion rates than high school (the study that said that followed 400 youth football players and contrasted it with the much larger sample size high school study though) and even that study said 15 of the 20 concussions were in the 11-12 year olds, and the 8-10 year olds risk of concussion was way less.

also keep in mind high school kids don't want to be pussies so they aren't going to pretend to have a concussion because they heard the pads crack

thats me inserting opinon btw

[Amen]

Kids who weight 100 lbs running a 8.8 40? WHAT... Those are linemen bro.

My son's 72 lbs running a 40 any wheres between a 5.3/5.7 right now. But yea, I'll read the rest of that shortly.

And again, those are opinions.

[~RustyGunZ~]

my whole argument is physics and medical research

google concussion statistics in youth football vs. high school vs. college vs. nfl

kids weighing 100 lbs that run a 8.8 40 yard dash don't have the same mass and speed as kids that weigh 200 in highschool and put up 4.6's

you guys presented no evidence, just your opinion. so i didn't present any evidence, just opinion, i thought it was retarded to think otherwise. but here is the first article after googling "less likely for concussion in youth football"

http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/2325967116686784



you can extrapolate the data as the players get bigger, stronger and faster

its not a retarded viewpoint, its backed by science, physics and data.

im sure you could google is youth football more dangerous and find an article with facts that back your side

which again proves my whole point of you can only debate things that aren't fact at their core. neither of us will budge on this so if you think im whats wrong with debates understand you are the same person on the opposite side of this debate

Now, since your data leads to middle schoolers getting concussions.. How much choice do they have in not getting into that life altering situation before hand? Your main argument was we shouldn’t feel bad for them because they can just not do it with all their facts they’re of course presented, encouraged to believe, and capable of understanding.

[uh-oh]

its not life altering even at the high school level

https://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2017/12/youth-football-concussions-good-news.html

it looks like football players were no more or less likely to have problems with dementia or mental illness 60+ years later; nor were they more likely to consume too much alcohol. What was different was that they were somewhat more likely to stay physically active (which may have protected them from memory problems as they became older.)

but even in that article they state that football is different today, the players are bigger and stronger and faster

but that doesn't matter right because it doesn't matter if a bigger faster thing collides with a bigger faster thing. its just as bad as a smaller slower thing hitting a smaller slower thing. i mean its science!

my main point of arguing this in the other thread was mainly because im sick of the concussion talk around football, when concussions happen in EVERYTHING. my bumass sister got a concussion from standing up and bumping her head on a shelf. granted she has a weak woman brain so she's more susceptible, but the point being worrying about concussions in youth football is goofy

[~RustyGunZ~]

its not life altering even at the high school level

https://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2017/12/youth-football-concussions-good-news.html



but even in that article they state that football is different today, the players are bigger and stronger and faster

but that doesn't matter right because it doesn't matter if a bigger faster thing collides with a bigger faster thing. its just as bad as a smaller slower thing hitting a smaller slower thing. i mean its science!

my main point of arguing this in the other thread was mainly because im sick of the concussion talk around football, when concussions happen in EVERYTHING. my bumass sister got a concussion from standing up and bumping her head on a shelf. granted she has a weak woman brain so she's more susceptible, but the point being worrying about concussions in youth football is goofy

Someone’s blog is not evidence. Google isn’t always your friend.

[Amen]

Lmao weak women brain.

[uh-oh]

Someone’s blog is not evidence. Google isn’t always your friend.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaneurology/article-abstract/2635831

thats the study that was being discussed which was linked/referenced in someones blog that i linked.

[Inno]

And my point is proven. Thanks guys

[~RustyGunZ~]

And my point is proven. Thanks guys

Trying to bring the uh oh debate of peewee precautions to an end for ya.

uh-oh I will present some counter evidence later tonight, gonna get the kiddo to bed soon.

[Amen]

Lol tag.

How's your point proven when you asked questions rather then made a statement regarding the matter?

[Inno]

Lol tag.

How's your point proven when you asked questions rather then made a statement regarding the matter?

I asked whether or not a debate has to turn into an argument.

Do I really ha evto pont our why my point was proven?

[Amen]

Do you really want this debate to turn in to an argument? Lol

[Geno]

Goddamnit 2trip...

Thats fucked me for no reason bar always puts a smile on my face lmfao

[Amen]

1st one kills me, lol.