Israel Palestine

[uh-oh]

Yo.

Watsup with the rights stance on the matter? Is it just blinded by jews/religious nonsense or am i missing something.

The left go overboard like usual but ive found the right make sense on alot of matters even if i disagree, but i never see them talk about the land grabbing and militaristic tendencies of israel

Just some blind eye shit?

[~RustyGunZ~]

They’re racist, the Jews net more positives for mixed up white conservatives. Also ISIS ya know.

Neither are real whites but at least the Jews ain’t brown people har har har - uhohs boss

[Current faggot]

Shit is real like I popped Jerusalem



But anyway this conflict is and will always be in the eyes of the beholder. Pro Israel folks will see demons in Palestine and vice versa.

Its a never ending cycle of stupidity on both sides.
Me personally I wish they would just send me a bitch from Palestine and let me lock her in my basement and jack off to her screams of despair

Feel me?

[~RustyGunZ~]

Oh good another LLB

[Current faggot]

Lmao@llb. I remember that from upn

I was actually a very HLB in my day though

[Inno]

This guy is informed.

But

From what I’ve gather the Jews fucking hate the Arabs and basically want them exterminated. No one in jewrulism wants them their.

On the other side. Arabs just want to be treated equally.

Do the math.

When your military arrested and beats and kills civilians for protesting blatant abuse,safe to say your on the wrong side of history

[Enbombz]

If your Jewish your golden, but outside of that your not welcome. It's as bad the backwards Muslim countries that surround it. Prolly worst tbh as they have clout.

[Ghost1]

Israel is a client state to the US wtf else do you need to know? we don't give a fuck what they do as long as they stay loyal to daddy.

[Amen]

Just posting to recognize the tag LOLLLLL

[wasim]

Israel is a client state to the US wtf else do you need to know? we don't give a fuck what they do as long as they stay loyal to daddy.

faxxxxxxxxx

[veritas]

You all err.

[Diode]

tag.

[uh-oh]

knuck came closest to answering my QUERY

i understand the conflict itself, as much as anyone who isn't a scholar can lol, this is more a PONDERING on why the right views the conflict the way they do. this was a random lunchbreak MUSING so maybe i didn't put that out correctly.

i have no real love of the jew or arab. but i see conservative people speak on the matter like israel is some blameless nation operating purely in self defense. i mean i see them say shit like palestine was never a place, and im like uhhh. it definitely was for literally millenia? i mean sure it wasn't a self governed body and shit but thats not really the fault of the region. its like saying florida never existed because it wasn't a nation in itself.

and sure i view hamas and hezbollah as terrorist-ish organizations and all that, but they arose from aggression like every other terrorist group

its just strange how israel can be blameless in all matters to the right. but again the left does itself no favors pretending that israeli's are just all out rambo'ing peaceful protesters

people are dumb amiright

[boof]

what is exactly is the stance on the right, uh-oh?

[boof]

and what about "israeli's are just all out rambo'ing peaceful protesters" seems like a lie to you? they've murdered 60 people from afar with snipers. they've left fist sized holes in the bodies of almost 500 people. there were 14,000 protesters. 99.9% of them are armed with less than a tennis racket. 0 israeli's have been injured in this protest.

[Current faggot]

Y'all seem to forget that this is two sides.
Are y'all going to act like Palestine is innocent here

[uh-oh]

what is exactly is the stance on the right, uh-oh?

Your second post is what i meant by the left going overboard like usual btw

But the conservatives see it as Hamas, a terrorist organization let it be known they were attacking the fence with the hopes of breaching it when the embassy was being moved to jerusalem. They basically ordered it to happen. Israel responds by letting them know in advance aggression will be met with aggression. They dropped leaflets and everything leading up to it letting them know they will be met with force if they forcibly try to invade

So they did anyways, the conservatives claim there were molotovs and weapons, they post vids showing palestinians shooting drones out of the sky to show it isnt an unarmed mob. They post pics of upwards of 20 of the 60 killed that were known hamas members/terrorists claiming this mob isnt peaceful palestinians but a coordinated effort by hamas

They also say why shouldnt they kill these people, if they dont they would kill them once they breach the fence blah blah

But again personally im in the middle with this conflict. I dont like israels land grabbing and warmongering but i dont like the narrative of the palestinians being peace and love and just wanting to co exist

[boof]

everything i said in my second post is true so how is it going overboard?

if you're(conservatives) saying this is a terrorist organization spearheading this(which how is israel not considered a bigger terrorist organization??) why did only 8 out of 14,000 people have any sort of weapon?

they're picking off teenagers who are completely unarmed

palestinians dont want to co exist they want their land to remain their land?? that's pretty clear

[boof]

and SAYING "if we don't kill them now these unarmed protesters will eventually try to kill us" is about the most bullshit justification ever

[veritas]

Israel is right.

[boof]

also deez cats out here shooting doctors and shit as they're treating shot protesters like that shit is illegal as fuck

[uh-oh]

if you cant see both sides arguments you're blinded by ideology or just uninformed

[boof]

bro they are murdering unarmed protesters who have clearly and repeatedly separated themselves from Hamas. from beyond a buffer zone. u realize israel doesnt even have defined borders right?

i don't care about arguing who's right and who's wrong in this battle i know its a long history, i've talked to jews and palestinians about it. i care about an incredibly wealthy country repeatedly violating the human rights of a poor people who are being kicked out of their own homes and strangely not being able to come back due to extreme nationalism.

[uh-oh]

you are blinded by your predisposed view brother.

they elected hamas. hamas says attack and they did. there is a shitload of video of it. only people who are blinded by ideology would view people with molotovs, grenades, slings as unarmed. how anyone can defend people who use children as shields and cannon fodder is beyond me.

i understand their plight, but their plight doesn't justify their actions to rectify their situation

[boof]

ur joking

america elected trump therefore every person at standing rock is a neo-nazi??

you know palestinians have been protesting before hamas right??

how many videos did you watch?

you think a paraplegic with a sling with a rock in it justifies murder from fully armed and shielded military sitting 100 yards away with a buffer zone between them? u realize there's been no clash warranting lethal force anyways right? i've watched dozens of videos of snipers picking off people that are literally just standing around. you defend that garbage?

blows my mind

[veritas]

Clinton acknowledged Jerusalem as the capital is Israel. Said he would move embassy.

So did bush

So did Obama

They never did.

Trump did. Good for him.

You err.

[~RustyGunZ~]

shouldn't bring a sling to a sniper fight

[Current faggot]

Clinton acknowledged Jerusalem as the capital is Israel. Said he would move embassy.

So did bush

So did Obama

They never did.

Trump did. Good for him.

You err.

For all his short Cummings trump has made more attempts to fulfill his campaign promises then any president in recent history.
Its just that some of his promises were unrealistic but it hasn't stopped him from making the effort.

Trump>Obama>bush

[Enbombz]

if all civilians were Hamas uh oh would have a point but there not.

[uh-oh]

again, he asked the conservative viewpoint so i gave it. im in the middle on it. his overbearing bleeding heart just makes me argue the conservatives viewpoint lol, but i don't agree wholeheartedly

i've seen the videos he speaks of, and it is fucked up. like i said i don't side with the israeli's but i also don't side with the palestinians, they aren't faultless

i don't defend the israelis use of force in all instances. but i don't defend the palestinians blindly either

is a chihuahua faultless when it nips at a pit bull and gets mauled? i think both dogs are assholes but to pretend its all the pit bulls fault is disingenuous

[Amen]

and what about "israeli's are just all out rambo'ing peaceful protesters" seems like a lie to you? they've murdered 60 people from afar with snipers. they've left fist sized holes in the bodies of almost 500 people. there were 14,000 protesters. 99.9% of them are armed with less than a tennis racket. 0 israeli's have been injured in this protest.

Man up. You don't even eat meat because the wittle poor animal was killed. You beta male ass faggot.

[uh-oh]

also the standing rock argument is nonsense

a better one would be charlottesville

you can demonize all the people there because at the core there were legit white supremacists. if they weren't white supremacists why would they march beside them??

white supremacists/hamas

im sure there is "good people" on both sides lmao. people mold the narratives to fit their view, it baffles me people so readily do it on matters that have no amount of effect on there own lives though

[Diode]

the white trash is strong today.

[~RustyGunZ~]

the white trash is strong today.

Nah uh oh is equally as right as boof.

Pretty sad none of you can see him say he’s advocating for arguments sake a side he doesn’t fully agree with and not take it seriously. Super disrespectful and a huge reason the left is losing.

[Diode]

Nah uh oh is equally as right as boof.

Pretty sad none of you can see him say he’s advocating for arguments sake a side he doesn’t fully agree with and not take it seriously. Super disrespectful and a huge reason the left is losing.

you like to infer things.

[Current faggot]

God bless America. Fuck the rest of the world...
My hoods in the U.S, So is my kids n my Girl
If we kill our neighbors in surport of Tax
Why that fuck should I care about Iraq----- Nore

[Eŋg]

Me personally I wish they would just send me a bitch from Palestine and let me lock her in my basement and jack off to her screams of despair

Feel me?

fuck off for another 15 years. thanks.

Israel is right.

you're probably one of those wacky christians who'd be thrall to some jewish wine farmers and do their bidding in the day, then at night watch them fuck your wife (if she wasn't rancid) while quoting scripture.

[Inno]

Did u just quote noreaga the rapper?

[~RustyGunZ~]

you like to infer things.

Confused if this is suppose to be a bad thing?

[Eŋg]

if your reasoning isn't sound your inferences will be bad, which is implied.

[big baby]

eng pretti mush smartest here so he's rite tbh . uh oh will always be wrUng Fucka mowrun

[Inno]

Lmao yo @uh oh srs question

Do you believe woman who dress “slutty” deserve to be raped?

Ask becuase of your out pit bull and chihuahua line

[~RustyGunZ~]

if your reasoning isn't sound your inferences will be bad, which is implied.

I don’t believe either of you know what infer means...

[~RustyGunZ~]

Lmao yo @uh oh srs question

Do you believe woman who dress “slutty” deserve to be raped?

Ask becuase of your out pit bull and chihuahua line

Awful comparison. His line wasn’t saying chihuahuas are at fault for walking down the street and getting attacked for being smaller beasts.

The logic would be similar if you were asking him if women who dress slutty and go around grabbing dicks and making fuck me eyes at the club should be sexually pursued.

[Enbombz]

It was s Shite analogy to begin with tbh.

[Eŋg]

I don’t believe either of you know what infer means...

reasoning was a choice word.

i think you're dim.

[~RustyGunZ~]

reasoning was a choice word.

i think you're dim.

You have a lot of dim thoughts.

[Eŋg]

yawn.

[~RustyGunZ~]

Your uncle touch your butthole or something? You’re such an angsty little cunt

[Eŋg]

r u projecting. plz stahp.

[~RustyGunZ~]

Okay, the wild hipster that has an IQ above 200 based on a test he gave himself because only he can judge his own greatness has reverted to “lol jus tr0llin he he” as usual.

You are bound to failure. I pity you.

Awaiting this thread to have real conversations in it again.

[Eŋg]

i don't know who you've confused me for (again) but from your inferences i can infer you're an inferior fearful infer-er.

[~RustyGunZ~]

i don't know who you've confused me for (again) but from your inferences i can infer you're an inferior fearful infer-er.

I’m describing you based on what I’ve seen you post the past month or so I’ve gone back and forth with you once or twice. You probably think you’re not that person, but you come off that way.

[boof]

knucklehead is wack

uh oh is just as right because he thinks any situation where two parties fight means both have some sort of fault as if that fucking matters at all when an 18 billion dollar military force are picking off women and children at their leisure from 600 meters away for protesting not having water, electricity, jobs, food, their land, the ability to come back as a refugee which any other people would have, etc?

can someone explain to me why anyone is defending israel?

they shot 1500 hundred unarmed people

nobody in the world thinks what they're doing is ok

except for the ppl giving them money

its gross to see people get so caught up in arguing both sides for the sake of it when people are being murdered. how disconnected can we possibly be

[Eŋg]

What's the difference? All you get is lost children
While the bosses sit up behind the desks
It cost billions to blast humans in half, into calves and arms
Only one side is allowed to have bombs
It's like making a soldier drop his weapon
Shooting him, and telling him to get to stepping - former textcee.

[~RustyGunZ~]

knucklehead is wack

uh oh is just as right because he thinks any situation where two parties fight means both have some sort of fault as if that fucking matters at all when an 18 billion dollar military force are picking off women and children at their leisure from 600 meters away for protesting not having water, electricity, jobs, food, their land, the ability to come back as a refugee which any other people would have, etc?

can someone explain to me why anyone is defending israel?

they shot 1500 hundred unarmed people

nobody in the world thinks what they're doing is ok

except for the ppl giving them money

its gross to see people get so caught up in arguing both sides for the sake of it when people are being murdered. how disconnected can we possibly be

Explain to me with actual evidence how my opinions are “wack”?

I’ll be waiting.

[boof]

i said you're wack. for saying uh-oh is just as right. and also your shit banter with eng. i don't know what your opinions are. u just quoted my entire post which asks for response but gave no response and now want me to respond to the opinion you haven't given ???

[~RustyGunZ~]

i said you're wack. for saying uh-oh is just as right. and also your shit banter with eng. i don't know what your opinions are. u just quoted my entire post which asks for response but gave no response and now want me to respond to the opinion you haven't given ???

Defending someone’s right to have an opinion that is different than yours is wack?

How dare you stand for ANY causes as pompous and loud as you seem to about every hot button hippie ideal with that fucking garbage mindset. You’re more hateful than half of the shit you protest you prick.

[~RustyGunZ~]

And my opinion on the matter is mostly yours, just with less flare that makes the stance look like self righteous shite.

[boof]

you're not wack for defending someone's right to have an opinion lol you're wack for saying that uh-oh's argument has as much merit as mine. not because it's mine. because of what his argument is. and because you're seemingly more interested in defending someones right to have an opinion on the subject than the basic human right's of unarmed protesters that are being murdered. but tbc the banter with eng was the actual motivation for calling you wack.

[Diode]

ahhh the contrarian character.
veritas, your thoughts?

[~RustyGunZ~]

you're not wack for defending someone's right to have an opinion lol you're wack for saying that uh-oh's argument has as much merit as mine. not because it's mine. because of what his argument is. and because you're seemingly more interested in defending someones right to have an opinion on the subject than the basic human right's of unarmed protesters that are being murdered. but tbc the banter with eng was the actual motivation for calling you wack.

Yes, defending someone’s right to an opinion in a thread on netcees instead of going on Facebook rants in said thread means I don’t value human life.

Man am I awful or what?!

[Eŋg]

but tbc the banter with eng was the actual motivation for calling you wack.

yea i'm sorry i couldn't make it better with more interesting inferences.

[~RustyGunZ~]

yea i'm sorry i couldn't make it better, my inferences weren't smart enough.

You’re the poor mans emo version of 2015 Scheinberg

There’s a reason I killled the character

[~RustyGunZ~]

ahhh the contrarian character.
veritas, your thoughts?

That’s uh ohs thing, don’t get me twisted for defending free speech and respect amongst equally unqualified people

[Diode]

That’s uh ohs thing, don’t get me twisted for defending free speech and respect amongst equally unqualified people

https://media.giphy.com/media/vjIVWOrtEaQRa/giphy.gif

*than

[~RustyGunZ~]

https://media.giphy.com/media/vjIVWOrtEaQRa/giphy.gif

*than

They picked a weird dude to play you, doesn’t quite have the Tarantino look I’d hope for.

[Ghost1]

its not really a defense of free speech ur arguing for here tho? boof is welcoming uh oh to make his voice heard....doesn't mean that he needs to accept what he is saying....that's not what free speech is.

an you saying the same thing in every political thread man....we get it...u want people to have more gray interactions on topics.....but feel free to actually address the topics?

[Enbombz]

If you think it's excusable to sniper down innocent civilians, including kids just to show power then you are a special kind of backwards.

[veritas]

How is this even a discussion?

Isreal is a nation so small you could not find it on the map, and is surrounded by bitter enemies hell bent on eradicating it off the face of the earth.

Jerusalem is the Apple of God's eye. I would not mess with it.

This is all prophetic. You are all too foolish to comprehend. If anyone wants to have legit discussion then challenge me on this and i will elab. If not, gtg because gam gam needs this sponge bath ya feel me?

[Enbombz]

How is this even a discussion?

Isreal is a nation so small you could not find it on the map, and is surrounded by bitter enemies hell bent on eradicating it off the face of the earth.

Jerusalem is the Apple of God's eye. I would not mess with it.

This is all prophetic. You are all too foolish to comprehend. If anyone wants to have legit discussion then challenge me on this and i will elab. If not, gtg because gam gam needs this sponge bath ya feel me?

Everything you put forward is irrelevant.

[Diode]

They picked a weird dude to play you, doesn’t quite have the Tarantino look I’d hope for.

http://p.fod4.com/p/media/48aebbb9f0/UbNvX6x3SDykfOMTNPq5_the-rock-eyeroll.gif

keep scraping that well dry

now tell me i'm poor and you're an in-shape, good looking ginger from high new england society with an ivy league pedigree

commit to it to this time

[~RustyGunZ~]

its not really a defense of free speech ur arguing for here tho? boof is welcoming uh oh to make his voice heard....doesn't mean that he needs to accept what he is saying....that's not what free speech is.

an you saying the same thing in every political thread man....we get it...u want people to have more gray interactions on topics.....but feel free to actually address the topics?

My original comment on the matter was directed at diodes run of the mill calling uh oh white trash.

Do you people read what you respond to?

[~RustyGunZ~]

http://p.fod4.com/p/media/48aebbb9f0/UbNvX6x3SDykfOMTNPq5_the-rock-eyeroll.gif

keep scraping that well dry

now tell me i'm poor and you're an in-shape, good looking ginger from high new england society with an ivy league pedigree

commit to it to this time

I mean I’ve only said it once before and you got real salty lol

No thanks on the rest

[Diode]

My original comment on the matter was directed at diodes run of the mill calling uh oh white trash.

Do you people read what you respond to?

i was referring to many people ITT but you inferred incorrectly (as you do)

[Diode]

I mean I’ve only said it once before and you got real salty lol

No thanks on the rest

your jokes are bad. be better.

[Ghost1]

My original comment on the matter was directed at diodes run of the mill calling uh oh white trash.

Do you people read what you respond to?

obviously im not responding to that comment so why is that relevant?

stop arguing with everyone about nothing and addr the topic or just chill and do something else lol

[~RustyGunZ~]

i was referring to many people ITT but you inferred incorrectly (as you do)

What other people?

You inferred their opinions are invalid because they’re not yours (as you do).

[~RustyGunZ~]

your jokes are bad. be better.

You literally post 70% giphy memes

I’m going to infer based on that evidence your opinion on humor is not good (as I do).

[Ghost1]

even diode calling uh oh white trash isn't an attack on his freedom of speech

maybe if he banned his account ud have a case



again everyyyyyone understands man you want people to have nice amicable discussions.....but ironically you turn your prtests for this into 2 page arguments lol cmon son

[~RustyGunZ~]

obviously im not responding to that comment so why is that relevant?

stop arguing with everyone about nothing and addr the topic or just chill and do something else lol


“Knuck this isn’t about free speech because boof isn’t going against him having an opinion”

“It wasn’t directed at boof”

“Not relevant”

Oh

[Ghost1]

even diode calling uh oh white trash isn't an attack on his freedom of speech

maybe if he banned his account ud have a case



again everyyyyyone understands man you want people to have nice amicable discussions.....but ironically you turn your prtests for this into 2 page arguments lol cmon son

[~RustyGunZ~]

even diode calling uh oh white trash isn't an attack on his freedom of speech

maybe if he banned his account ud have a case



again everyyyyyone understands man you want people to have nice amicable discussions.....but ironically you turn your prtests for this into 2 page arguments lol cmon son

I’m doing God’s work.

[Ghost1]

no lol. im logging off. I have reached my daily hate for nc for today. ill check back tomorrow to see how long I can last without hating you all again tomorrow.

[~RustyGunZ~]

no lol. im logging off. I have reached my daily hate for nc for today. ill check back tomorrow to see how long I can last without hating you all again tomorrow.

Glad I could make your day more productive and free of social media.

Namaste

[Chyeahhh!!!]

prophecy is being fulfilled. The dragon arrives soon

[zelti]

prophecy is being fulfilled. The dragon arrives soon

Lmaooo


ILy

[Diode]

i'd rather you go back to scheinberg. he was less toxic and arbitrary in his personality.

[~RustyGunZ~]

i'd rather you go back to scheinberg. he was less toxic and arbitrary in his personality.

He was a racist

[~RustyGunZ~]

That comment made me realize I’m being a douche in this thread. I had good intentions but clearly boredom and stress turned it sideways. My bad.

[Chyeahhh!!!]

laugh now and cry later but the great red dragon of Revelation will have the last laugh. The serpent bearer has relinquished it's hold on him and is headed out of Ophiuchus just as described by Nostradamus and the bible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u7MyuNtB_c

it's arrival corresponds with all of the emotional upheaval around the world be it metaphysical, geophysical, or all the current saber rattling between the countries. No other moments in any of our previous history here on this planet will compare to whats happening now. I've had this energy reserved for these specific times. My purpose is at hand

bout to go get some wings...holla

[uh-oh]

well. alot has occurred it seems.

tbh i didn't think diodes comment was directed at me since i had such excellent spot on posts, i figured it was in reference to the bland pro-israeli posts from others.

also bags diode could ban me and its not attacking my free speech rights because this isn't a public area type deal or whatever. same logic with twitter banning people. its a service they are providing, they can withhold it as they wish, but i get the sentiment

knucklehead is wack

uh oh is just as right because he thinks any situation where two parties fight means both have some sort of fault as if that fucking matters at all when an 18 billion dollar military force are picking off women and children at their leisure from 600 meters away for protesting not having water, electricity, jobs, food, their land, the ability to come back as a refugee which any other people would have, etc?

can someone explain to me why anyone is defending israel?

they shot 1500 hundred unarmed people

nobody in the world thinks what they're doing is ok

except for the ppl giving them money

its gross to see people get so caught up in arguing both sides for the sake of it when people are being murdered. how disconnected can we possibly be

50 of the 60 killed were hamas. source? hamas.

hamas is paying people to protest. they give them checks for getting shot. the entire incident turned as violent as it did because of hamas.

why do you absolve them of guilt?

also this entire thread was predicated on the premise of me wondering why the right can't understand that israel are assholes, i was wondering what their logic was for their blind loyalty to israel. mainly because i agree with alot of conservative viewpoints and they are mostly rooted in logic and reason and not emotion and faggotry, but i couldn't see the logic in defending the warmongering israeli government lmao. oh well.

[Inno]

The podcast gon be fire!!

[~RustyGunZ~]

The podcast gon be fire!!

Hop on discord Friday gonna do the test run

Finish up my workload tomorrow

[Inno]

Hop on discord Friday gonna donthe tear run

Finish up my workload tomorrow

Fuck yeah, I’ll make sure to get super drunk

[Amen]

Fuck yeah, I’ll make sure to get super drunk

Looking forward to every other word being the F bomb, lol.

[Inno]

I’ll mix it up

[bleak]

Nah uh oh is equally as right as boof.

Pretty sad none of you can see him say he’s advocating for arguments sake a side he doesn’t fully agree with and not take it seriously. Super disrespectful and a huge reason the left is losing.

[boof]

50 of the 60 killed were hamas. source? hamas.


same source says 0 of them were armed. so... still worthy of being murdered from 600 yards away?

u think most of the 2,000 shot were hamas as well?

u never responded to me mentioning that palestinians have been protesting the landgrab since before hamas. you make it seem like you think this is only because of them

like water, food, electricity, jobs, losing their land, forced to not come back, isn't enough to protest?

[boof]

why do you absolve them of guilt?


because defending yourself with unarmed protest isn't wrong?

[~RustyGunZ~]

Uh oh, would it be justified for the national guard to kill antifa members?

[Amen]

I’ll mix it up

Please do. Lol.

[uh-oh]

same source says 0 of them were armed. so... still worthy of being murdered from 600 yards away?

u think most of the 2,000 shot were hamas as well?

u never responded to me mentioning that palestinians have been protesting the landgrab since before hamas. you make it seem like you think this is only because of them

like water, food, electricity, jobs, losing their land, forced to not come back, isn't enough to protest?
you are confusing protesting with the action of attempting to breach a defensive barrier. you continue to paint them as harmless victims. you refuse to look at the issue from the other side. you say yourself hamas is a terrorist organization earlier in the thread, this entire event (the violence, not the normal protesting) was sponsored and ordered by hamas to breach the defensive fence and take back "their homes". how many protestors were killed today? 0. why? maybe because kites with molotov cocktails ain't being flown in, maybe because hamas wasn't employing children to roll tires up to the fence and burn them as a smokescreen so others can cut their way through? explain to me how that is an unarmed protest?
because defending yourself with unarmed protest isn't wrong?

i would agree, if it was an unarmed protest.

Uh oh, would it be justified for the national guard to kill antifa members?

goofy question. i could make up a scenario where it would be justified. but just antifa rioting because milo fagadopolis is in town? of course not. but i wouldn't fault a shop owner protecting his establishment.

also booth, remember that this entire thread is predicated on the fact that i don't understand the rights viewpoint on this matter, because of what you think im ignoring. you are ignoring that the thread is based off that. i don't agree with israels actions in the past at all, i don't even agree with israel as a nation. but it is. the shit happened. palestinians sold or were displaced. 60 years ago. in those 60 years you could fill tons of books on what has happened since from both sides. its a complicated issue, so to see you just spewing what the media is force feeding the public is disheartening. you don't want to see the other sides point of view. fair?

[Amen]

Exterminate those infadels.

Someone post videos so boof can cry himself to sleep after eating his vegan microwave dinner.

[~RustyGunZ~]

Its an organization that has been physically violent and is against the state. Most fitting example to compare to America and as much at fault as you seem to think the Palestinian people are.

[uh-oh]

Its an organization that has been physically violent and is against the state. Most fitting example to compare to America and as much at fault as you seem to think the Palestinian people are.

false equivalence. stop it.

if antifa was threatening the lives of the national guard and the lives of americans, with the intent of overthrowing the government and displacing all of us, than of course i would be for them being met with force.

antifa is nothing like hamas, so i will reiterate its a goofy question and i have to put out make believe scenarios to justify the use of lethal force

israel can be seen as justified because the palestinians and mainly hamas burn the border through which israel provides them with aid, regularly sends in rocket attacks, and organizes events with the sole purpose of reclaiming the land that is now israel. they do not want the land israel took in wars and through other means after israel already existed, they want israel itself. they already pushed the israeli's out of gaza, they want them out of israel as well.

hamas is smart enough to put women and children in the line of fire, with the hopes they are cut down so they can continually portray themselves as the victims in the media, they refuse to live in peace, because they can't know peace with israels existence. the media feeds this narrative by painting them as harmless victims and they get more and more support.

there are victims, regular every day palestinians, alot of those protesters injured were some as well. but to me its very easy to see that those victims are caught between 2 evils. to only blame the hammer and leave out the anvil makes no sense to me.

[~RustyGunZ~]

You compared the situation to two dogs fighting but I’m goofy for comparing it to a relevant situation in our country? You know antifa wants to overthrow our government right?

[bleak]

http://i68.tinypic.com/jhbjv5.jpg

[boof]

you are confusing protesting with the action of attempting to breach a defensive barrier. you continue to paint them as harmless victims. you refuse to look at the issue from the other side. you say yourself hamas is a terrorist organization earlier in the thread, this entire event (the violence, not the normal protesting) was sponsored and ordered by hamas to breach the defensive fence and take back "their homes". how many protestors were killed today? 0. why? maybe because kites with molotov cocktails ain't being flown in, maybe because hamas wasn't employing children to roll tires up to the fence and burn them as a smokescreen so others can cut their way through? explain to me how that is an unarmed protest?


i would agree, if it was an unarmed protest.



goofy question. i could make up a scenario where it would be justified. but just antifa rioting because milo fagadopolis is in town? of course not. but i wouldn't fault a shop owner protecting his establishment.

also booth, remember that this entire thread is predicated on the fact that i don't understand the rights viewpoint on this matter, because of what you think im ignoring. you are ignoring that the thread is based off that. i don't agree with israels actions in the past at all, i don't even agree with israel as a nation. but it is. the shit happened. palestinians sold or were displaced. 60 years ago. in those 60 years you could fill tons of books on what has happened since from both sides. its a complicated issue, so to see you just spewing what the media is force feeding the public is disheartening. you don't want to see the other sides point of view. fair?


i don't understand. the person YOU cited to convince me that they are mostly terrorists also specifically said that nobody was armed. you can't pick and choose what you believe from the source you're using against me?

can you show me videos of what you're describing? i'm pretty sure there were zero israeli injuries right? how did 40,000 armed people with molotov kites and burning tires and pipe bombs and grenades and whatever else you're saying not hurt 1 israeli? how is this even a clash? the "violence" is only being committed by one side bro

i'd suggest from here on out we just post video footage to back up our sides because everything else seems ineffective at this point

[Immolate]

based off news id say that israel has offered some 2-state peace solutions but pali don't want none of that. they want the whole pie. couple days ago they tried to attack the israeli border, bunch of em got killed. don't know what they really expected. niggas like "why not peacefully subdue them" like war don't breed savagery out here..

my fam buncha christians who support israel. it's hard to care about it when like Africa has a ton of civil wars nobody care and they way more savage. same for south america. and hell, even some of the islands..

[boof]

for every video posted of palestinians attacking the border the other day i will post 3 of israeli snipers opening fire on peaceful protesters

[Amen]

So ATTACKING a boarder is peaceful?

[veritas]

It is mental insanity and spiritual abomination to blame Israel or trump for this

[Clout]

They’re racist, the Jews net more positives for mixed up white conservatives. Also ISIS ya know.

Neither are real whites but at least the Jews ain’t brown people har har har - uhohs boss

Huh? I know alot of ethnic non-white looking jews. Emanuelle chriqui from don't mess with zohan is a Moroccan - Sephardic Jew. She's quite sun kissed my friend =). Alot of Ashkenazim Jews are very white in appearence though.

[~RustyGunZ~]

Huh? I know alot of ethnic non-white looking jews. Emanuelle chriqui from don't mess with zohan is a Moroccan - Sephardic Jew. She's quite sun kissed my friend =). Alot of Ashkenazim Jews are very white in appearence though.

Most pointless post in this thread lmao wtf

[Clout]

Most pointless post in this thread lmao wtf

ahh i see sorry early in AM here. You pretending to mimic uhoh.

[boof]

So ATTACKING a boarder is peaceful?

define attacking bro. or post a video of it from the other day.

again, my stance is there was 40,000 people and i've heard at most that 9 of them had some sort of bullshit bootleg "weapon". people had tennis rackets to deflect tear gas cannisters. a man in a wheelchair had a sling in a rock. if they were ATTACKING wouldn't there be literally ANY injuries on the israeli side?

the high high majority were peaceful. i know there was a buffer zone between palestinians and the israeli border. i know people were getting shot from 600 yards away.

so how is it possible to define what 40,000 unarmed people 600 yards away from the border were doing as ATTACKING?

this the same shit as standing rock. media paints it as a bunch of wylie coyote's when 0 people were armed at the protests. one guy brings a rifle & points it at the cops and suddenly all 10,000 people are worthy of losing arms and being shot point blank with rubber bullets and being hosed down with water cannons in freezing temperatures.

[~RustyGunZ~]

define attacking bro. or post a video of it from the other day.

again, my stance is there was 40,000 people and i've heard at most that 9 of them had some sort of bullshit bootleg "weapon". people had tennis rackets to deflect tear gas cannisters. a man in a wheelchair had a sling in a rock. if they were ATTACKING wouldn't there be literally ANY injuries on the israeli side?

the high high majority were peaceful. i know there was a buffer zone between palestinians and the israeli border. i know people were getting shot from 600 yards away.

so how is it possible to define what 40,000 unarmed people 600 yards away from the border were doing as ATTACKING?

this the same shit as standing rock. media paints it as a bunch of wylie coyote's when 0 people were armed at the protests. one guy brings a rifle & points it at the cops and suddenly all 10,000 people are worthy of losing arms and being shot point blank with rubber bullets and being hosed down with water cannons in freezing temperatures.

But if one chihuahua bites a pit bull should the pit bull not kill all chihuahuas???

[Enbombz]

Your wasting your breath on these guys boof.

[Amen]

define attacking bro. or post a video of it from the other day.

again, my stance is there was 40,000 people and i've heard at most that 9 of them had some sort of bullshit bootleg "weapon". people had tennis rackets to deflect tear gas cannisters. a man in a wheelchair had a sling in a rock. if they were ATTACKING wouldn't there be literally ANY injuries on the israeli side?

the high high majority were peaceful. i know there was a buffer zone between palestinians and the israeli border. i know people were getting shot from 600 yards away.

so how is it possible to define what 40,000 unarmed people 600 yards away from the border were doing as ATTACKING?

this the same shit as standing rock. media paints it as a bunch of wylie coyote's when 0 people were armed at the protests. one guy brings a rifle & points it at the cops and suddenly all 10,000 people are worthy of losing arms and being shot point blank with rubber bullets and being hosed down with water cannons in freezing temperatures.

Lol post videos

Bro the word is capitalized and bolded for a reason.

at·tack
əˈtak
verb
take aggressive action against (a place or enemy forces).

[boof]

Lol post videos

Bro the word is capitalized and bolded for a reason.

at·tack
əˈtak
verb
take aggressive action against (a place or enemy forces).

so who's actions fit your definition of ATTACK

a) the dude with the tennis racket deflecting tear gas cannisters

b) the parapalegic with a rock in a sling

c) the IDF murdering 63 (6 children) and severely wounding 1,765 others including women, doctors, journalists

[Amen]

The media will only show you WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO SEE.

Same goes for the law enforcement thread, dude.

[boof]

oh thanks for the heads up

show me what the media isn't

[boof]

so when the media says over and over that israel is merely protecting their borders and that palestinians knew what they were getting into

is that the media showing what they want me to see?

or is that the correct media

or are you an idiot with no actual substance going against the grain despite not knowing which grain you're even going against assuming someone like me even gets his information from whatever media you think you're referring to

please post videos

[Enbombz]

or are you an idiot with no actual substance going against the grain despite not knowing which grain you're even going against assuming someone like me even gets his information from whatever media you think you're referring to



Bingo

[Saint]

Lol

[uh-oh]

so now we're going to pretend 90 percent of the media doesn't portray the plight of the palestinians and the uncalled for brutality of israel?

cool.

and booth if you wanted videos because you were curious and didn't believe it was happening thats one thing, but you want videos just so you can post your own. you are completely closed off to the opposing side.

[boof]

i don't watch msm so i have no idea what the percentage of which narrative is being pushed. i'm just stating that i have seen plenty of media defending israel. on the right. which is where your thread begins. i was just calling amen's bluff cuz im pretty sure he doesn't know what he's talking about.

i want videos from because i'd like proof that 2,000 palestinians were doing something that justified getting shot with sniper rifles, because my stance is they weren't. and you disagree.

i said i would post 3 for every 1 because i have a strong feeling that you would be hard pressed to find one. and if you did find one video, of probably a small handful of people aggressively fighting to get through the border that justifies the force israel is using, i can show you at least 3x as many showing israel using unjustified force. and if we're having a discussion about who is guilty of war crimes, i think that is important.


i understand the opposing side. i think they're wrong. there's a bunch of racist, genocide encouraging, misinformed people foaming at the mouth with nationalism. the right winged media is justifying it because they are somebody we give a bunch of money to and they are an ally. i think that is a bad reason to be okay with something. i understand you don't totally agree with israel. but it's important to me that you understand the severity of what's actually happening. they shot at least 1800 protesters that were unarmed aka peaceful. that is not something anyone should defend. and most people in the world aren’t. so if you are going to argue that the protesters are guilty as well, then i'd like to see proof

[veritas]

Boot is a sheep. He will not survive the collapse.

[Amen]

oh thanks for the heads up

show me what the media isn't

I can't because I'm not there. Neither are you, faggot so STFU.

[uh-oh]

i don't watch msm so i have no idea what the percentage of which narrative is being pushed. i'm just stating that i have seen plenty of media defending israel. on the right. which is where your thread begins. i was just calling amen's bluff cuz im pretty sure he doesn't know what he's talking about.

i want videos from because i'd like proof that 2,000 palestinians were doing something that justified getting shot with sniper rifles, because my stance is they weren't. and you disagree.

i said i would post 3 for every 1 because i have a strong feeling that you would be hard pressed to find one. and if you did find one video, of probably a small handful of people aggressively fighting to get through the border that justifies the force israel is using, i can show you at least 3x as many showing israel using unjustified force. and if we're having a discussion about who is guilty of war crimes, i think that is important.


i understand the opposing side. i think they're wrong. there's a bunch of racist, genocide encouraging, misinformed people foaming at the mouth with nationalism. the right winged media is justifying it because they are somebody we give a bunch of money to and they are an ally. i think that is a bad reason to be okay with something. i understand you don't totally agree with israel. but it's important to me that you understand the severity of what's actually happening. they shot at least 1800 protesters that were unarmed aka peaceful. that is not something anyone should defend. and most people in the world aren’t. so if you are going to argue that the protesters are guilty as well, then i'd like to see proof
nah i hear you. i can link vids that were being rt'ed and shared on twitter but it wouldn't be deemed justified to you, just knowing your stance and where you are coming from. the rolling of tires up to the barricade, people running up into the no go zone to sling stones in, cutting at the fence etc. if i don't post a video of basically ISIS on the back of a toyota with a mounted machine gun you would deem it unnecesary force

and again im actually more on your side than not, i feel for the palestinians, like i mentioned they're between a rock and a hard place. but that hard place is hamas, and i don't see how ignoring them helps anything.

also the rampant racism amongst the palestinian people as well, they have zip zero love for the jews. the entire protest is to retake israel and displace all the jews. they already kicked them out of gaza and have no interest in any 2 state solutions like has been noted

its a quagmire i say

[~RustyGunZ~]

I can't because I'm not there. Neither are you, faggot so STFU.

/thread

[veritas]

You all err in knowledge of the past as well as knowledge of the future.

[boof]

there's literally hundreds of videos of the gaza protest. you are more than capable of finding one. and if there isn't one showing you what the media isn't, then how the fuck do you know they were ATTACKING? lmao
Amen

[boof]

nah i hear you. i can link vids that were being rt'ed and shared on twitter but it wouldn't be deemed justified to you, just knowing your stance and where you are coming from. the rolling of tires up to the barricade, people running up into the no go zone to sling stones in, cutting at the fence etc. if i don't post a video of basically ISIS on the back of a toyota with a mounted machine gun you would deem it unnecesary force

can you show me this? i probably won't see it as justifiable, but i still haven't seen it. and if those are your best examples, real question, does that seem to justify shooting 2,000 people? why wouldnt they just shoot the handful carrying out your examples near the fence?(which isn't a real border btw hopefully you know but even if it was)

[uh-oh]

can you show me this? i probably won't see it as justifiable, but i still haven't seen it. and if those are your best examples, real question, does that seem to justify shooting 2,000 people? why wouldnt they just shoot the handful carrying out your examples near the fence?(which isn't a real border btw hopefully you know but even if it was)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjTN7LKWGdk

put out by israel but its a video, no need to post vids in response, i don't live with my head in the sand.

also 2000 people weren't shot. 2000 were injured. but you don't need to continually argue your viewpoint. all i'm trying to do is have you acknowledge that hamas is AT LEAST partly, responsible.

[Amen]

there's literally hundreds of videos of the gaza protest. you are more than capable of finding one. and if there isn't one showing you what the media isn't, then how the fuck do you know they were ATTACKING? lmao
Amen

If it's not seen with my own eyes, I don't trust it. Media edits shit to fit their narrative.

[boof]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjTN7LKWGdk

put out by israel but its a video, no need to post vids in response, i don't live with my head in the sand.

also 2000 people weren't shot. 2000 were injured. but you don't need to continually argue your viewpoint. all i'm trying to do is have you acknowledge that hamas is AT LEAST partly, responsible.

reports say 2000 people were injured mostly from live fire.

but ignoring that IDF created this video(which is pretty important hopefully you'd agree so i looked up other videos from the same day) it looks like about 100-200 people are attempting to fuck shit up. i can acknowledge that hamas probably wants as many people dead as possible for PR reasons and are encouraging everyone to risk themselves any way possible. i realize their tactics are unfortunate. hopefully you can understand that the palestinian people don't have any other options at this point as they have nowhere to go and no way to get there, no legal ability to stick around due to the occupation, and no way to survive from a lack of resources. IDF spokesmen admit they did not minimize casualties, which is one of my main concerns. i'm curious as to what you would suggest palestinians do in this situation since you previously stated that you understood their plight but think this is the wrong way to go about it. they are starving to death on what they believe is their own land

[boof]

If it's not seen with my own eyes, I don't trust it. Media edits shit to fit their narrative.

sooo how are you telling me they are attacking the border if you've never seen a video of it that you trusted you god damn silly goose

[veritas]

These words will be held against you as you err in understanding prophecy.

[uh-oh]

they could oust hamas instead of embracing them, the entire blockade is set up to stop the growth of hamas, israel sends the palestinians aid but hamas burns the access points or gets palestinians to, through their propaganda blaming israel and through organizing things like this forcing israels hand and creating martyrs to brainwash more palistinians to their cause. they are hell bent on destroying israel and need the people to be as well.

but again its not for me to say what the people of gaza should do lol. it just seems much easier to me to oust a terrorist organization in a 25 mile strip of land than to take on a superb military backed by the greatest military the worlds ever seen.

[Current faggot]

You guys are smart

[~RustyGunZ~]

Lmfao boof clutching pearls tagger step forward

[uh-oh]

i mean do you find it a little strange that the killing died down after the israelis said if the attacks on the fence continued they would strike where the leaders of hamas were? hamas called it off because the leaders didn't want to get shelled. they were content with sacrificing protestors until their own lives were threatened. and the only reason israel didnt strike the leaders from the get go is because they headquarter in hospitals and other places using citizens as human shields. terrorism 101. "if we do die, they'll kill a bunch of innocents and that only strengthens our cause. allahu akbar"

but again its a fucked situation all around, there are no simple answers to any of it.

i still think we need to leave the middle east be. israels problems can be israels problems. same with syria/iran/afghanistan etc

its just strange how we pick and choose what to be alert to. meanwhile saudi arabia starves and religiously bombs yemen with the us providing coordinates. commiting full on genocide and everything else and no one cares. not a soul.

[boof]

they could oust hamas instead of embracing them, the entire blockade is set up to stop the growth of hamas, israel sends the palestinians aid but hamas burns the access points or gets palestinians to, through their propaganda blaming israel and through organizing things like this forcing israels hand and creating martyrs to brainwash more palistinians to their cause. they are hell bent on destroying israel and need the people to be as well.

but again its not for me to say what the people of gaza should do lol. it just seems much easier to me to oust a terrorist organization in a 25 mile strip of land than to take on a superb military backed by the greatest military the worlds ever seen.

but if someone comes and takes your land and says gtfo why would you oust the only group trying to help you fight the people that took your land? and what are they supposed to oust them with? the burning tires and pipe bombs hamas is probably supplying them with?

[veritas]

Elaborate how Jerusalem is not Israel’s?

[bleak]

Elaborate how Jerusalem is not Israel’s?

Technically even when Jerusalem was established, the way it was in 47 or whatever, it was as an independent, international entity. It belongs to the UN

[boof]

i mean do you find it a little strange that the killing died down after the israelis said if the attacks on the fence continued they would strike where the leaders of hamas were? hamas called it off because the leaders didn't want to get shelled. they were content with sacrificing protestors until their own lives were threatened. and the only reason israel didnt strike the leaders from the get go is because they headquarter in hospitals and other places using citizens as human shields. terrorism 101. "if we do die, they'll kill a bunch of innocents and that only strengthens our cause. allahu akbar"

but again its a fucked situation all around, there are no simple answers to any of it.

i still think we need to leave the middle east be. israels problems can be israels problems. same with syria/iran/afghanistan etc

its just strange how we pick and choose what to be alert to. meanwhile saudi arabia starves and religiously bombs yemen with the us providing coordinates. commiting full on genocide and everything else and no one cares. not a soul.


its not strange, its just what's in our best interest money/resource wise. but yes, this hypocrisy is the main reason i'm so pissed about them pretending to care about syria while not giving a fuck about this or your example and somehow people still think we're out here trying to do what is right. the rest of your post i agree with.

[Amen]

I read about it.

[Ghost1]

lmfao

[veritas]

So Jerusalem belongs to the United Nations? That is your belief?