Dmx "its dark and hell is hot" is better than any album Jayz ever made

[Mr. Faggot]

Shit better than most of nas Shit to

[uh-oh]

stfu

[Mr. J]

Good joke Geno Jr.

[boof]

i definitely think its better than 90% of jay and nas' albums

[PancakeBrah]

Post more topics.

[Ghost1]

Vol3
Reasonable doubt
Black album
Blueprint

[uh-oh]

if we're putting vol.3 ahead of it we might as well put the dynasty and blueprint 2 as well

also the only nas album better than it is illmatic. but thats ahead of all of them lol

[Mr. Faggot]

Its dark and hell is hot is a classic.

In my opinion jay doesn't have a classic.

Reasonable doubt falls short to me...just my opinion

It was written n illmatic are classic albums.

Late 90's DMX ran new york

[Hush]

Its dark and hell is hot is a classic.

In my opinion jay doesn't have a classic.

Reasonable doubt falls short to me...just my opinion

It was written n illmatic are classic albums.

Late 90's DMX ran new york

Who the fuck are you

Man y’all dumb

[boof]

vol 3 is ARGUABLE as hell

[Mr. Faggot]

Who the fuck are you

Man y’all dumb

What makes me dumb?

Late 90's Dmx ran the city...buzz..Record sales...Music....all that DMX Was that dude...when its dark...blood of my blood dropped X RAN NEW YORK

X actually has sold more records in his career worldwide than jay has.

A lot of people might not know that.

[Finnydot]

Vol 3 is jay at his finest, but let's be real the beats from blueprint CAN NOT be fucked with. Stack up his whole catalogue and the beats do not equal anything else he's done. And i LOVE black album.

Also, roc la familia has "this can't be life" on it which is BY FAR kanye's best beat.

[For Battling]

The Great Depression was dmx best album

[Mr. Faggot]

Just to further my argument about DMX owning the late 90's

X dropped its dark n hell is hot...
Same year dropped blood of my blood.
In next year dropped and then there was X

IF I ain't mistaking all 3 albums sold over 5 million records....in a 18 month period in the late 90's X had probably the best stretch in hip-hop history.

And the music was all,fire

[Hush]

The Great Depression was dmx best album

Worst

[Mr. J]

Just to further my argument about DMX owning the late 90's

X dropped its dark n hell is hot...
Same year dropped blood of my blood.
In next year dropped and then there was X

IF I ain't mistaking all 3 albums sold over 5 million records....in a 18 month period in the late 90's X had probably the best stretch in hip-hop history.

And the music was all,fire

2tripple0 that you?

[Mr. Faggot]

What I say that was wrong?

[Pharaohs Army]

X actually has sold more records in his career worldwide than jay has.

A lot of people might not know that.

Does anyone believe this?
This doesn't sound accurate to me.

[Strikta]

Mfs just post any ol fucking thing these days.

Inaccurate as hell.

[WRATH]

And then there was x is an important album for my deep appreciation of rap as a whole. So I'm not gonna knock op. Jay got a collection though that cannot be dismissed so easily. But dmx was east coast pac during his main run.

[Mr. Faggot]

As of 2014 DMX Had sold 74 million records worldwide and jayz had sold 55 million records worldwide according to statisticsbrain.com and Nielsen soundscan

So to you two dudes up there do ya math before calling someone inaccurate.

Yall are either to young or did not follow hip-hop in the 90's....

This new age jayz hype machine does not change the fact that X OWNED NY IN THE LATE 90's

[uh-oh]

im not sure how this is a new age jay z hype machine

jay's been considered the goat by most for over a decade

dmx is lucky to be considered top 20

i'm not even hating on him. i love dmx and i agree that its dark and hell is hot could be considered a classic

you had to shift the argument away from what you made the thread about to record sales that no one called you out on lmao. just so you could shift and seem like you are presenting a winnable point.

its a solid tactic i employ often. but yea its just not as good empirically as reasonable doubt or the blueprint for sure. if you want to argue its better than the rest of his stuff have at it.

but just because you don't enjoy an artists work, doesn't change how good it is. art is subjective.

i don't like anything kendrick lamar has made. he's a bum. to me. but i won't argue that good kid mad city isn't a classic

[WRATH]

Jay is respectable but he ain't a show stopper. Jay's whole career is smart moves, not so much raw energy. Outliving all his competitors and being top tier to this very day only further solidifies his status. Jay ain't rap god but he a made man in the music industry and for obvious reasons.

[Amen]

I've never heard anyone call Jay Z the GOAT.

[Ghost1]

Well I guess when u live in rural pa and ur only friend is a lumberjack that u married u prolly wouldn't

But he is quite surely the goat

[Mr. Faggot]

Jay-Z was never the best of any era.how could he be goat?.
Jay-Z just has longevity.

[Diode]

Well I guess when u live in rural pa and ur only friend is a lumberjack that u married u prolly wouldn't

But he is quite surely the goat

lol but also not the goat

[For Battling]

Well I guess when u live in rural pa and ur only friend is a lumberjack that u married u prolly wouldn't

But he is quite surely the goat

Yeah ok anyways


Did you know that diseases that are spreaded by mosquitos aren’t transmitted by blood pathogens?

In fact, the mosquito expels a portion of their spit in the victims blood which is what actually transmits the disease such as Zika, West Nile, and malaria.

[Mr. Faggot]

Yeah ok anyways


Did you know that diseases that are spreaded by mosquitos aren’t transmitted by blood pathogens?

In fact, the mosquito expels a portion of their spit in the victims blood which is what actually transmits the disease such as Zika, West Nile, and malaria.

Nigga,if we gone rob we gone rob. All night
If we looking for something it's prolly a fight

[Amen]

Lol Bags still trying to post at me knowing he's on ignore.

He's upset my wife can squat more then he does and has better looking feminine socks while doing it.

Maybe Jay Z the GOAT to you rural PA rednecks, tho. Certainly not me or anyone I know.

[Amen]

Yeah ok anyways


Did you know that diseases that are spreaded by mosquitos aren’t transmitted by blood pathogens?

In fact, the mosquito expels a portion of their spit in the victims blood which is what actually transmits the disease such as Zika, West Nile, and malaria.

Bloodborne pathogens can be transmitted through saliva.

Hence OSHA's 29 CFR 1910.1030

[For Battling]

That’s literally what I just said

[Amen]

Aren't transmitted and are transmitted aren't the same, bro.

Let's make a podcast and have an educational debate on it.

Let's discuss Bloodborne pathogens and what is a pathogen, yea?

[Mr. Faggot]

HEY you faggots are nerding up my thread.
Fuck blood transmissions shit

Protected by viper stand back

[Ghost1]

Lol how fucking sad and pathetic to have to log out desperately needing to know what's said against yet being so fragile and dedicated to the ego that u still have to maintain the ignore feature as a matter of principle and also to be able to act like ur not reading what I'm saying.....when clearly the fuck u r....lol embarrassing af

I live in the state capital of pa and u live in the boonies of pa tho wake the fuck up u literal fucking retard ur the redneck

And I squat 485 idc how big ur ugly wife's dick is she not even in the same stratosphere as I am in the gym.

[Finnydot]

Jay says shit no other rapper can say.

"lost 30 mill so i spent another 30, cuz unlike hammer 30 million can't hurt me"

Da goat bro.

[Mr. Faggot]

Been in and outta homes n jail since 7 years old,
Heart cold, refused to lay down..never fold
Bullied myself into a deal, came a sight to behold
Sold records without selling my soul
Made over 50 million..fucked it up..lost it
Addiction, lawyers and bad choices cost me
But I'm to real to ever be left behind
My demons still here but fuck it they mine
Fuck slipping..I all out fell..more than once failed
Jailed..the industry bailed...ohhhh well
Im,X ill,bounce back...facts...never down long

[Geno]

I agree with op

[The Dead Poet]

You know I think it might be close to a true statement. Especially if we're talking about how they've aged.

I think Reasonable doubt is better than X's first...and back in the day I would have said blueprint was too.....but honestly Blueprint hasn't really aged well. Those Kanye beats are terrible quality wise.

[Finnydot]

You know I think it might be close to a true statement. Especially if we're talking about how they've aged.

I think Reasonable doubt is better than X's first...and back in the day I would have said blueprint was too.....but honestly Blueprint hasn't really aged well. Those Kanye beats are terrible quality wise.

Ppppfffffftttttt

[uh-oh]

yea i don't know what poets talking about. the blueprint holds up great, 0 problems with ye's beats on it.

bink had the best beats on it tho.

[Mr. Faggot]

I disagree about ye's beats on blueprint..they aged well to me....

I think reasonable doubt aged poorly

[Finnydot]

I disagree about ye's beats on blueprint..they aged well to me....

I think reasonable doubt aged poorly

Gtfoh

D'Evils > X's whole catalogue.

[WRATH]

I cant respect someone who doesn't appreciate reasonable doubt

[Finnydot]

I cant respect someone who doesn't appreciate reasonable doubt

This x1000.

Ready to die.
Reasonable doubt.
Illmatic.

In that order.

[uh-oh]

Illmatic
Reasonable Doubt
...
....
.....
Ready to die

[Mr. Faggot]

No way reasonable doubt is better than ready to die...

Man I ain't hating..Jay just ain't my cup of tea..dont understood where this jay is goat shit comes from.....I mean NOBODY was saying this shit prior to say 2005....so what has he released since then to make him the greatest ever all of a sudden??

[Cereal]

Shit better than most of nas Shit to
2nd that

[warthog.]

all dmx albums are better than jayz's shit.

[Mr. Faggot]

Get at me dog.....is one if the rawest first singles ever

[WRATH]

No way reasonable doubt is better than ready to die...

Man I ain't hating..Jay just ain't my cup of tea..dont understood where this jay is goat shit comes from.....I mean NOBODY was saying this shit prior to say 2005....so what has he released since then to make him the greatest ever all of a sudden??

He one of the only remaining/alive mainstream enemies 2pac named, so staying power was established

The takeover bounce back from ether showed he could story of Adidon a heavy hitter like nas, instant top spot

Locks down beyonce, a female who hasn't ran through the whole industry, gives him depth

Various important media contributions, most notably American gangster

4:44 showed he always knew what he was doing

Everything is love is the victory lap

[Mr. Faggot]

He one of the only remaining/alive mainstream enemies 2pac named, so staying power was established

The takeover bounce back from ether showed he could story of Adidon a heavy hitter like nas, instant top spot

Locks down beyonce, a female who hasn't ran through the whole industry, gives him depth

Various important media contributions, most notably American gangster

4:44 showed he always knew what he was doing

Everything is love is the victory lap

So the fact he is a 2pac enemy n still alive has something to do with being the best ever?

Losing to nas..who is and has always been better than him has something to do with best ever?

Ummm who he married has something to do with best ever?

Media contributions has what to do with music?

4.44 showed what?

Man you just made the worst GOAT arguments ever....

Wtf man a 4 year old debating that afroman is goat could make better points than that bullshit

[WRATH]

Lol yeah just take away all his achievements and he ain't shit

[Geno]

Gtfoh

D'Evils > X's whole catalogue.

U smokin crack again?
U better go put that "slippin" on and rethink that thought nigga.

[Geno]

No way reasonable doubt is better than ready to die...

Man I ain't hating..Jay just ain't my cup of tea..dont understood where this jay is goat shit comes from.....I mean NOBODY was saying this shit prior to say 2005....so what has he released since then to make him the greatest ever all of a sudden??


Agree.
I was never a jay fan back when we had an active hiphop catalogue to listen to. Now that the new age brings wack talent... Of course jay seems like a god xs 1000p0. But he not. Hes the same jay from the 90s that you woulda picked nas mobb deep pac or biggie over. Just them niggas aint around no more. So lets be reall

[Mr. Faggot]

Lol yeah just take away all his achievements and he ain't shit

Your arguments sucked.

You suppose to be arguing why he the greatest rapper ever and you talking about who he married and the fact 2pac dissed him and he still alive

You seriously think that's strong arguments for being the best mc ever?

Go jump in a lake nigga

[uh-oh]

trying to explain jay z's greatness is like trying to explain lebrons

if you can't see it your blinded by your own bias and hatred.

there are people better at different aspects, but no one has ever put them together at the level he has, with such longevity.

im still trying to figure out where your getting these random dates, it went from a new age fad of calling him goat to 2005?

meanwhile black album dropped in 03 with his first "retirement" and every rapper was out talking about how the GOAT retired.

[WRATH]

I can't explain it any better then that he's a brand name. You get the same reaction saying snoop Dogg name in public you know who he is and what he's about. He ain't top 5 richest musicians being a junkie he works hard and makes quality music what kind of flow you want he just dropped contender for AOTY less then a month ago what more do you want he is responsible for kanye's growth and continues to contribute to him and countless others what more do you want nigga could of rapped with twista when he was fucking with jaz-o WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT

[uh-oh]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_r0mt5D77pE

[Amen]

trying to explain jay z's greatness is like trying to explain lebrons

if you can't see it your blinded by your own bias and hatred.

there are people better at different aspects, but no one has ever put them together at the level he has, with such longevity.

im still trying to figure out where your getting these random dates, it went from a new age fad of calling him goat to 2005?

meanwhile black album dropped in 03 with his first "retirement" and every rapper was out talking about how the GOAT retired.

It's quite simple, just stop calling them the goats and comparing them with the real GOATS and you'd never have to worry about explaining anything.

[uh-oh]

you fuck with vinnie paz in 2018

stop.

[Geno]

Im the goat for.christs sakes. End thread

[Ghost1]

If u count collab albums Jay has nearly 20 albums lol even without he has 13

If u want to argue it's dark an hell is hot is a classic that's one thing but to even put him in the same stratosphere is a joke.....I honestly thought this was one tho and still do

X has 2 albums that are even listenable

Jay started from nothing and is now the president of def jam.......dmx is now the mayor crack pipe county

Rocafella as a conglomerate was longer lasting more influential had more volume and was all around just flat out doper than ruff Ryder's

Idk what album sales numbers ur quoting as tho it's even relevant but jay outsold x 100mil to 30mil

Jay was involved in the best rap beef of all time and consensus in the hip hop community is all tho Nas won the battle w ether jay won the war with super ugly and blueprint2

X never had a notable beef because he was only even notable for a couple years.

Eminem's first 3 album run sold more copies and had more classic volume then x for Christ sake

Jay had better production, more classics, more volume, more sales, more longevity, more influence

I mean it's literally laughable to even categorize them in the same echelon. It's dark an hell is hot is maybe a classic and flesh of my flesh is a good album but that doesn't make a case for him to even be in the top 20? Get a fucking grip

[Geno]

Dont get me wrong. Jay the goat when it comes to hiphop entreprenuer shit. Hands down untouchable business wise. He just never been my favorite artist. There was a time when i couldnt even listen to jay. Its only been within the last 8 years i started fucking with him. Went back listened to all his shit and ya hes a god for sure. But not the goat. I mean thats arguable obviously. And a lot of people will say he is. I just cant.

Idk. Its tough to dissagree cause of his career and position. But id throw so many other artists in rotation before id throw him in. Thats just me. Dmx being one of those. If X wasnt such a crackhead.. Who knows what he could have done. He was making pac moves. Doing music. Movies. The whole 9 yards. That cracj ruined his ass. Unfortunately. But it is what it is.

[Ghost1]

anyone COULDVE been the goat tho? just happens that jay IS.

dmx is obv a losing case but who else do u even have to put up against jay?

my friend recently posed kanye against jay.......which I disagreed with....but he atleast had an arguable case

[Diode]

:: never liked jay the biter ::

[Mr. Faggot]

anyone COULDVE been the goat tho? just happens that jay IS.

dmx is obv a losing case but who else do u even have to put up against jay?

my friend recently posed kanye against jay.......which I disagreed with....but he atleast had an arguable case

Nas is light years better than Jay Z

And he anailated jay in a battle....

Illmatic and it was written shit, on Jay-Z whole body of work.

Tupac is easily better Goat material than Jay-Z

Jay-Z is the equivalent to a NBA player who scored 19 points a game for 15 or 16 straight seasons...he is a great player...but never was the best player in the league during any era...so the longevity puts him in the talks. ..but you can't be the goat when you never was the best at any point

[Ghost1]

If u want to have Nas vs jay thread just look up an old one

U wanted to put x against jay

That's dead


Illmatic is the best hip hop album ever....that's fine but that's the only top tier shit he ever made

Saying jay wasn't the best at any point of his entire career is absurd and only said to fit ur position. It has no basis in reality.

I'd be willing to have a debate about someone being more logical for the goat title but so far u giving me dmx Nas and pac ...I mean..... It's just not even reasonable

And I fuck w dmx and pac heavy even Nas gets spin but they aren't on Jay's level he's just all encompassing whereas none of them have even a shred of his depth or influence into the full realm of hip hop that he does and I haven't heard a case proving otherwise not even close.

[uh-oh]

There is no point in furthering the discussion. This thread shouldve been closed after my first post lol.

People tend to equate their favorite rapper with the goat. Thats not how it works. My favorite rapper was sean price. But putting him into the top 50 would take mental gymnastics i dont possess.

So just stop

[Mr. Faggot]

If u want to have Nas vs jay thread just look up an old one

U wanted to put x against jay

That's dead


Illmatic is the best hip hop album ever....that's fine but that's the only top tier shit he ever made

Saying jay wasn't the best at any point of his entire career is absurd and only said to fit ur position. It has no basis in reality.

I'd be willing to have a debate about someone being more logical for the goat title but so far u giving me dmx Nas and pac ...I mean..... It's just not even reasonable

And I fuck w dmx and pac heavy even Nas gets spin but they aren't on Jay's level he's just all encompassing whereas none of them have even a shred of his depth or influence into the full realm of hip hop that he does and I haven't heard a case proving otherwise not even close.

Find anywhere that i said X was the goat or had a better career than Jay. I never said that...I said its dark n hell is hot is better than any jay album and that in the late 90's X ran new York.


Now if you want to discuss Goats...there are easily 5 names ahead of Jay-Z if we keep the discussion strictly music. All arguments for jay always resorts back to business.

Nas body of work is better than Jay z.
Tupac died at 24 but he has 3 classic albums.
Biggie died young both albums classic...

Biggie may not of had enough material to get goat status but he was clearly better than Jay

I don't really like the goat arguments to be honest...its just to me JAY-Z as a business man makes ppl label him more than he is

And Jay Z had more influence on hip-hop than 2pac? Are you serious?

[veritas]

Jay-z Is trash compared to DMX.

[Amen]

Pac had the most influential impact on hip hop. Jay Z and Nas have a major impact on hip hop as well. I mean, every successful artists has had some form of impact on HIP HOP if you think about it because they all brought something different to the game. Jay Z is probably one of the more successful ones, tho a long side of Puffy because their record labels. Puffy was trash but he even had a impact on HIP HOP.

Because of Pac, the whole west coast/east coast rivalry began. PAC was hip hop.

PAC THE GOAT.

[WRATH]

We established pac the all time goat I thought we were confirming why Jay is ONE of the goats

[Ghost1]

ive only ever conceded that pac is top 5 and better than big ...jay the all time goat...I cant contribute to this thread further tho because I just don't feel like there is a level exchange of knowledge occurring.

[veritas]

You mean opinion, yes?

[Ghost1]

I mean there are subjective opinions that I am willing to take into consideration but if we are considering a title of goat there needs to be objective criterion in place to be able to determine one so subjective opinions cannot be the only factor in the discussion. it cant even really be a large portion of the discussion honestly.

if we were discussing who is your personal favorite or goat then it would be relevant but if we are attempting to identify a sole artist to be recognized as the best overall artist of all time then it needs to be considered objectively.

[veritas]

Oh I wasn’t saying anything about the Goat. Just that I like X better than j.

Carry on.

This is the John Stockton paradox.

[Mr. Faggot]

I mean there are subjective opinions that I am willing to take into consideration but if we are considering a title of goat there needs to be objective criterion in place to be able to determine one so subjective opinions cannot be the only factor in the discussion. it cant even really be a large portion of the discussion honestly.

if we were discussing who is your personal favorite or goat then it would be relevant but if we are attempting to identify a sole artist to be recognized as the best overall artist of all time then it needs to be considered objectively.

Who in here has been considered goat that doesn't deserve the respect of being in the argument

[Ghost1]

who did u propose nas pac and big? honestly id only accept pac in the discussion (and he loses)

[WRATH]

When Jay dies pacs body of work and legacy will still echo louder. Jay top 5 overall still but, I guess it's how you rank energy.

I feel pac sacrificed himself. Went all or nothing for the game. That's a level of commitment you dont see in anyone else, at least not combined with that talent.

Jay is a goat in his own right, but drake is on the same trajectory that Jay was does that mean drake will be the goat too?

Jay top 5 but not undisputed number 1.

[Ghost1]

pac has a case ill agree

im not sure I have the time or energy to dispute it today tho

[Mr. Faggot]

When Jay dies pacs body of work and legacy will still echo louder. Jay top 5 overall still but, I guess it's how you rank energy.

I feel pac sacrificed himself. Went all or nothing for the game. That's a level of commitment you dont see in anyone else, at least not combined with that talent.

Jay is a goat in his own right, but drake is on the same trajectory that Jay was does that mean drake will be the goat too?

Jay top 5 but not undisputed number 1.

Drake sucks

[Mr. Faggot]

pac has a case ill agree

im not sure I have the time or energy to dispute it today tho


So Nas doesn't have a goat argument?

[Mr. Faggot]

Jay-Z lost a face to face battle to bizzy bone

[veritas]

The John Stockton paradox

[Amen]

Drake sucks

While I agree - his views and sales beg to differ.

[Mr. Faggot]

With Tupac if ppl would only focus on the material intentionally released his body of work is near flawless

[Geno]

Vito. Go peep thread i made for u

Scroll down past joe budden tracks to the next artist i put in there for you. Vids are all present. Ull dig this cat Spoonfull for you situation. His emo heartbreak shit is gold. Pz

[Mr. Faggot]

Bet

[Mr. J]

How did this turn into a cornball conversation about Pac now?

[Mr. J]

With Tupac if ppl would only focus on the material intentionally released his body of work is near flawless

I would neg the living hell out of you. Idiot

[Mr. Faggot]

I would neg the living hell out of you. Idiot

My thread started out as its dark n hell is hot is better than any jay album....that got flipped into jay being goat...then the goat talks start and anytime there is a greatest rapper disscussion Tupac is automatically involved.

Now PAC made 5 albums he intentionally released...even 7dt was intentionAl

Out the 5 you have 3 critically acclaimed classics

Me against the world...all eyes and 7dt.

Some even call his debut a classic...

Actually a argument could be made for all 5

[Geno]

Shit. Ru still down classic imo. And whonu know that didnt have that pacs greatest hits double disc with changes on it. Everyone i knew did. Including me. And all his shit is double disc. Way more material than anyone else per album

But whatever..

[Mr. J]

Quality > Quantity

[Mr. Faggot]

Quality > Quantity

Exactly that's why biggie and PAC are better than jay.

[Mr. J]

You're dumb. But that's ok...it's allowed

[Mr. Faggot]

You're dumb. But that's ok...it's allowed

That's about 3 times you have made childish comments with nothing to support them

Next I guess I will be a doo doo head

[Witty]

Just to throw a spanner in the works...if you want to talk about achievements and accolades as well as talent...Eminem is the greatest of all time.

Objectively.

[Mr. J]

That's about 3 times you have made childish comments with nothing to support them

Next I guess I will be a doo doo head

Why do you think you can keep quoting me with your half-assed arguments anyway?

Of all the people to put up against Jay or Nas you chose DMX and then you pull the obvious out with Pac. Come on man. You're a young cat who just fell into this whole genre. Better stick to G Eazy tracks

[dead man]

ms. lauryn hill made one solo studio album and is the GOAT

/thread

[Mr. Faggot]

Why do you think you can keep quoting me with your half-assed arguments anyway?

Of all the people to put up against Jay or Nas you chose DMX and then you pull the obvious out with Pac. Come on man. You're a young cat who just fell into this whole genre. Better stick to G Eazy tracks

I think X debut album is better than all of Jay-Z and all of nas except 2.

Im not the only person who feels this way...lots of ppl do...hell Lord Jamar called it dark n hell is hot the GREATEST debut ever...ppl recognize the greatness of that album just fan boys of Jay-Z try to over blow his LP's

[Witty]

So...in conclusion.

Your opinion is a thoughtful and measured one. Everyone else's opinion is a mixture of delusion/bias/and stanning.

Correct?

[Mr. Faggot]

So...in conclusion.

Your opinion is a thoughtful and measured one. Everyone else's opinion is a mixture of delusion/bias/and stanning.

Correct?

Not at all.

Just I am right and everybody else isn't me so by defualt they are wrong. Its simple actually

[Witty]

So basically exactly what I said.

[Mr. J]

LoL

[Mr. Faggot]

So basically exactly what I said.

No. Exactly what I said

[Geno]

Now that i thin about it. Vol.2 is pretty close to being as good as id&hih. Vol2 my fav jay album as a whole. Easy. Idk why it just is. Hard knock life nikkaz

[Fart]

Lol at dmx
Number one barker all time

[Amen]

https://media.giphy.com/media/iE0b8XuDhFiMM/giphy.gif

[Inno]

I haven’t read any of this thread.

But from my understanding isn’t Nas’ illmatic the greatest debut?

[Amen]

People need to realize opinions aren't facts.

I can see why people often confuse the 2 but until they realize the difference, these arguments will continue to go in circles when ever brought up.

Hip Hop's based off opinions/preference, as far as "GOATS" and who's the greatest.

[Mr. Faggot]

I haven’t read any of this thread.

But from my understanding isn’t Nas’ illmatic the greatest debut?

That's a lot of ppl opinons

[Mr. J]

funny how stupidity overlooks Liquid Swords though

[Mr. Faggot]

Liquid swords is super dope