Is it possible to not be egotistical and still be great?

[~RustyGunZ~]

playing devils advocate here but isn’t trying to expose his motive as ego motivated by ego ?

I’d say yes

But it’s a broader topic because there are a lot of answers that are deeper than yes or no.

If there is an argument, inherently there will be a side that’s more right than the other (most things in life aren’t driven by facts so most arguments are never fully right), so can someone be right most of the time without it being ego? By most standards that is.

Is staying away from conflicts and therefore never being seen as wrong make you less egotistical, or more so because you avoid your ego being possibly attacked?

[WRATH]

Catch 22

[veritas]

For the quoted source material: I asked amen if he would like to elaborate how his behavior was ego in the other thread. In him doing so, it would also be a form of ego.

Hush was corrrct on identifying the test I set for him.

We can discuss this if you like.


In regards to your question, yes humility and greatness are not mutually exclusive. In fact they can be excellent dancing partners.

[Ghost1]

It's as simple as what drives your motives

Ego is about self

Soul is about love

So if u were trying to prove someone wrong because u wanted the glorification of being right that's an ego driven endeavor

If u were trying to prove someone wrong because u love them and u want them to grow it can be viewed as selfless and separate from the ego

Same for other avenues.....u can be great at basketball because u love the game....or u can be great because u want everyone else to see how great u are.......one is more pure and satisfies the soul....the other less so in satisfying the ego

[~RustyGunZ~]

For the quoted source material: I asked amen if he would like to elaborate how his behavior was ego in the other thread. In him doing so, it would also be a form of ego.

Hush was corrrct on identifying the test I set for him.

We can discuss this if you like.


In regards to your question, yes humility and greatness are not mutually exclusive. In fact they can be excellent dancing partners.

But what makes something (a response or action) motivated by ego vs being humble? What could make you exposing his ego not egotistical?

Basically how can you be confident and humble but also self aware you’re being such. Doesn’t being aware you’re being humble make you egotistical?

[~RustyGunZ~]

It's as simple as what drives your motives

Ego is about self

Soul is about love

So if u were trying to prove someone wrong because u wanted the glorification of being right that's an ego driven endeavor

If u were trying to prove someone wrong because u love them and u want them to grow it can be viewed as selfless and separate from the ego

Same for other avenues.....u can be great at basketball because u love the game....or u can be great because u want everyone else to see how great u are.......one is more pure and satisfies the soul....the other less so in satisfying the ego

How much weight does a third parties opinion of your motives matter if it differs from your actual motive?

[Ghost1]

How much does it matter to who


It matters entirely to the ego
Zero to the soul

[~RustyGunZ~]

How much does it matter to who


It matters entirely to the ego
Zero to the soul

Say Veritas legitimately wants to help Amen, so the soul

But the general consensus and how Amen and third parties view the situation is an ego thing.

Does it make the effort less virtuous? Should V in that situation recognize he should abort a lost cause or would that make him less “good”

[cac lover]

Of course.....Craig biggo is a hall of famer....bitch was the farthest thing from egotistical.

[Ghost1]

Why is he considering it a lost cause?

Why is he considering the group perspective?

Why would it be less virtuous?

Ego.ego.ego.

[Big Bolo]

Kind of like knucks ego so big he couldnt help but steal a quote from my thread and make one for himself...what a fag

[veritas]

Y’all are not understanding me.


I said that asking him to explain why he was being ego would only end up making more ego. I.e. him apologizing while justifying. Etc.

The best course would have been for him to not Elab. Which to his credit, he did not.

[veritas]

I legit want to help amen. As I do myself and all
Of you as best I can.

[~RustyGunZ~]

Kind of like knucks ego so big he couldnt help but steal a quote from my thread and make one for himself...what a fag

Do you not believe your lack of respect here is from an undeserved ego?

[~RustyGunZ~]

Y’all are not understanding me.


I said that asking him to explain why he was being ego would only end up making more ego. I.e. him apologizing while justifying. Etc.

The best course would have been for him to not Elab. Which to his credit, he did not.

I meant hypothetically to see Bags views on ego, just was easy to think of

Ghost1 I meant less how the person in question perceived the result of those things and more does it matter what they think if it isn’t agreed that those are the motives. If someone is considered by their peers to be egotistical but they don’t think they are because of their motives, are they egotistical?

I kind of covered where my minds going with this in that thread awhile ago where it fot stuck on me hating myself.

Basically does someone have to be unaware of their good intentions in such a situation to be humble, because knowing they’re being humble would make them not humble

[Big Bolo]

Do you not believe your lack of respect here is from an undeserved ego?

What about the horrible job you did as a mod? Did that have anything to do with your pretend ego, being "too busy" to follow through with something you offered to do... I get it though you've started to be with the in crowd instead of being called a fat ginger in every post... I can only hope for your unique race that it's helping your ego irl...

[cac lover]

If you get respect here you a ***

If you don't you a ***

If you a nigga nothing here applies to you


Peace god

[~RustyGunZ~]

What about the horrible job you did as a mod? Did that have anything to do with your pretend ego, being "too busy" to follow through with something you offered to do... I get it though you've started to be with the in crowd instead of being called a fat ginger in every post... I can only hope for your unique race that it's helping your ego irl...

So you think flaking on commitments is an ego problem?

This is why I pose the question of how you can win an argument or be seen as positive in a situation where there is a level of engagement from you without there being ego involved. And if there isn’t ego, is noticing the lack of ego something that can bring ego into it?

I mention ego out of relevance to current conversations but it’s really any trait or action seen as selfish in any sense.

[~RustyGunZ~]

If you get respect here you a ***

If you don't you a ***

If you a nigga nothing here applies to you


Peace god

You are kind of just a breathing gimmick

Why do you insult your own race so much?

[WRATH]

Knucklehead if you know about it and you assume it's a bad thing because of the intention then you yourself fall under being slightly closer to ego over soul.

So probably die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain makes sense as far who the truly selfless people are

[bleak]

They're becoming self aware...

[Amen]

This thread was ego driven based off his internet win lol.

Change my mind.

[veritas]

I’m not sure about that entirely.

I think it was more about my question to you.


How are you this morning?

[~RustyGunZ~]

Knucklehead if you know about it and you assume it's a bad thing because of the intention then you yourself fall under being slightly closer to ego over soul.

So probably die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain makes sense as far who the truly selfless people are

What if you know and think it’s a good thing?

If the previous example would lead to V being closer to soul than ego with the intentions of helping people, would it be more towards ego the more self aware he is towards that? I’m sure not everything I’m saying in here makes 100% sense but if you feel me word.

Basically where is the line drawn between ego/soul and selflessness/selfishness

And

Does the general consensus of your actions matter more than yours (mental illness, sociopath etc)

[veritas]

Would it be ego for me to say that I may be the exception to the rule because my online persona is basically my professional occupation just turned up to 11 but authentic none the less?

Srs question.

[~RustyGunZ~]

Would it be ego for me to say that I may be the exception to the rule because my online persona is basically my professional occupation just turned up to 11 but authentic none the less?

Srs question.

I think so but eye of the beholder

It could be argued your profession doesn’t mean you know everything about the human mind, and some people denounce your profession entirely

But yeah imo it matters

[Amen]

I’m not sure about that entirely.

I think it was more about my question to you.


How are you this morning?

Knuck knows the truth, lol. He's admitted it on several occasions of "Forum wins" and the need of "Always being right."

It's ego driven.

I'm perfect man. My son won his last regular season game last night and had one hell of a game. Probably his best game YET. Playoffs begin this week and this years team is looking like it's going to make a youth Superbowl run. Awesome.

Which question? And does it seriously need an answer? That's probably why I didn't answer it in the 1st place, tbh. No matter what I say it's argued and negated anyways, lol.

How are you, V?

[Victor.]

Can you show us one boxing accolade you have Amen ?

[Amen]

What importance does that have?

[veritas]

I think so but eye of the beholder

It could be argued your profession doesn’t mean you know everything about the human mind, and some people denounce your profession entirely

But yeah imo it matters

That’s fair. No one will ever know everything about it. I think I am a professional “good question asker” mixed with a strong desire to synthesize the info given. Then I take that info and draw logical conclusions. With the legit desire to help.

My heart is in the right place. I am self aware enough to see the ego in it. I am just trying to be authentic.

Not sure if this helps or hurts the discussion lol.

[veritas]

Knuck knows the truth, lol. He's admitted it on several occasions of "Forum wins" and the need of "Always being right."

It's ego driven.

I'm perfect man. My son won his last regular season game last night and had one hell of a game. Probably his best game YET. Playoffs begin this week and this years team is looking like it's going to make a youth Superbowl run. Awesome.

Which question? And does it seriously need an answer? That's probably why I didn't answer it in the 1st place, tbh. No matter what I say it's argued and negated anyways, lol.

How are you, V?

You pass the test by not answering it.

Knuck had a point. It’s not so much about pointing out Knick’s need to win, but about you not losing. Revoking the patterns that lock you into the losing persona sir.

I just finished reading maps of meaning and life is good sir. I don’t want to brag...but it’s peace.

Oh I also got hired to become an adjunct online professor at a graduate school so that is super dope brother!

Fighting for the dream.

[~RustyGunZ~]

What importance does that have?

You said you had enough boxing experience to teach people how to box. You should have some sort of accolade to make such a wild claim otherwise it’s ego because you think you are an all knowing teacher of the world etc.

Is a valid response to that question

[Victor.]

What importance does that have?

I’m just trying to figure out what kinda liar u are

[Destroyer]

It is only possible to be great if one is not egotistical
One may play the role of egotistical, and be great
But one who is truly egotistical can never be great
For humility is a quality of greatness

[Amen]

FYI: You don't need accolades to teach, wtf. Yea - if you're training PROFESSIONALS then sure... Accolades serve no purpose other then a resume IF you are looking to train at the professional level.

That's like saying you need to have played in the MLB, NFL, NHL to be a youth sports coach.

[Ghost1]

It is only possible to be great if one is not egotistical
One may play the role of egotistical, and be great
But one who is truly egotistical can never be great
For humility is a quality of greatness

This is good...

If you truly love something u know that u can never fully do it justice....the greatness comes from understanding that and striving to anyways

[veritas]

I like where this discussion is heading at Anthony and Jude.

Stated otherwise: the larger your field grows, the more acutely award you become of how much more is outside your fence than in it.

[~RustyGunZ~]

It is only possible to be great if one is not egotistical
One may play the role of egotistical, and be great
But one who is truly egotistical can never be great
For humility is a quality of greatness

Word

That’s where I wonder if it’s a you’re born great or not thing, with potential influence to how you’re raised most likely.

If you recognize to too great of an extent that what you’re doing is great, can you be conditioned to not be egotistical about it? Would that need to involve being less aware of your greatness?

[veritas]

Greatness is cultivated.

[~RustyGunZ~]

I like where this discussion is heading at Anthony and Jude.

Stated otherwise: the larger your field grows, the more acutely award you become of how much more is outside your fence than in it.

Ooh. Like that.

[veritas]

And if you choose to continue expanding your field for internal validation over pursuing what your talents and responsibilities would have you, it will grow. If you choose to grow the field ONLY for the external validation it will eventually wither.

The paradox is: the external validation will come naturally when it is not the sole reason for the activity.

Applied here: win in the discussion because it helps train your mental sharpness, your wit, and your articulation so that you can apply this to the real world and be a better person for you and your loved ones and the people who depend on you. Not just to be able to say you won and ha ha look at me and look how I owned you.

[~RustyGunZ~]

So does the follow through matter?

Say my intention is to basically train myself mentally as you said, so a good motive. But I never apply it so technically just wasted ha ha I owned yous. Does how long it takes to apply that matter? Is there a threshold where it can’t be turned around?

[veritas]

please state your question in another manner, because I do not quite understand it. I apologize.

[veritas]

wait...I undersand it hang on

[veritas]

So does the follow through matter?

Say my intention is to basically train myself mentally as you said, so a good motive. But I never apply it so technically just wasted ha ha I owned yous. Does how long it takes to apply that matter? Is there a threshold where it can’t be turned around?

knowledge is power you have heard.

This is false.

Knowledge with action is power. OF Course the follow through matters. IF a man slaps around his woman or breaks her bones and when she says she will leave him, he says "Baby I am sorry I will never do it again..." then he does it again....do his words mean anything? Extreme example compared to boarding habits, but accurate nonetheless.

Research says that you can teach an old dog new tricks (neurogenesis, neuroplasticity)...however: the longer and more solidified the behavior, the harder it is to change.

Furthermore: THE MORE INVESTED THE INDIVIDUAL IS IN THAT WEAKER PERSONA, the near impossibility of the change occurring. This is really the heart of the issue....EGO is an investment in a false persona, and all the thoughts, feelings, and actions that it brings with it. this is a crucial point.

So...good news: The fact that you are even considering this idea is a good start.

Ball is in your court, Seth.

[~RustyGunZ~]

knowledge is power you have heard.

This is false.

Knowledge with action is power. OF Course the follow through matters. IF a man slaps around his woman or breaks her bones and when she says she will leave him, he says "Baby I am sorry I will never do it again..." then he does it again....do his words mean anything? Extreme example compared to boarding habits, but accurate nonetheless.

Research says that you can teach an old dog new tricks (neurogenesis, neuroplasticity)...however: the longer and more solidified the behavior, the harder it is to change.

Furthermore: THE MORE INVESTED THE INDIVIDUAL IS IN THAT WEAKER PERSONA, the near impossibility of the change occurring. This is really the heart of the issue....EGO is an investment in a false persona, and all the thoughts, feelings, and actions that it brings with it. this is a crucial point.

So...good news: The fact that you are even considering this idea is a good start.

Ball is in your court, Seth.

I gotta bring the kid to the pumpkin patch and don’t wanna disrespect this post with a weak and short response so I’ll be back to it

But side thought; we should do a show/podcast where you treat someone live over the course of a certain timeline

[Amen]

Lmfao treat someone live.

[veritas]

I been doing that for the last decade round here lol.

[~RustyGunZ~]

I mean like real shit not boarding

[Geno]

Youll never know

[veritas]

I mean like real shit not boarding

Who would you suggest? Who would legit be real enough to be real?

[~RustyGunZ~]

Who would you suggest? Who would legit be real enough to be real?

I think a lot of people would be until it got tough. I believe a lott of people don’t realize that they lead unhealthy lives.

[veritas]

I think a lot of people would be until it got tough. I believe a lott of people don’t realize that they lead unhealthy lives.


You made a comment earlier, and I am paraphrasing, basically about how some people do not think therapy works. Fair enough. However, it is usually because clients don't like tough.


So your statement proves my point. Unfortunately, lol.

[~RustyGunZ~]

You made a comment earlier, and I am paraphrasing, basically about how some people do not think therapy works. Fair enough. However, it is usually because clients don't like tough.


So your statement proves my point. Unfortunately, lol.

Very unfortunate. Most people simply can’t handle criticism. Some better than others, but once things get more and more personal and demons need to be fought they become fetuses again.

[Sinacog]

Egos are cool..there used sometimes as defense mechanicms to protect yourself from bad vibes and ish..but egos are cool and good in a way..

There's always going to be facts..egos can't hide from facts..and the truth..the truth gets your ego all the time..that's why in rap battles..ego's are diminished through good writing and punches..but it was okay..this is a okay discussion..but if you're protecting your ego..than that's okay as-well..but don't let it overeflate other things lol..this was nice..good one..peace..

[boof]

this is a great thread

[Diode]

bill gates is pretty fucking humble.

[Diode]

this is a great thread


hey man whatever happened to PM anyway

[Objective]

I have read nothing but I believe it's impossible to not be egotistical as human motivation and survival bases itself on it. Even helping someone else is egotistical because it makes you feel great. Even if you go out of your way to do so you wouldn't have helped them if it didn't make you feel good in one way or the other.

By being humble and polite is to put yourself in a good light (or because it makes you feel good due to the way you treat others, a pretty common personal trait at that too) is one of the most egotistical things you can do. By not being humble and polite you are egotistical as well, but at least you are true to who you are at least which in itself is also stroking your ego. We're all egotistical douchebags, and some of you may even think "well, fuck, I'm not as egotistical as that person at least", whoa, stroking your ego on top of it? Bites teeth and breath air fast inwards for a sec while making a slightly awkward face in the most ego way possible.

[Aero]

Try being great at something first then you can figure it out. I’m great at everything I do and attempt so for me it’s passion driven but I keep it up bc of ego.

[Diode]

I have read nothing but I believe it's impossible to not be egotistical as human motivation and survival bases itself on it. Even helping someone else is egotistical because it makes you feel great. Even if you go out of your way to do so you wouldn't have helped them if it didn't make you feel good in one way or the other.

By being humble and polite is to put yourself in a good light (or because it makes you feel good due to the way you treat others, a pretty common personal trait at that too) is one of the most egotistical things you can do. By not being humble and polite you are egotistical as well, but at least you are true to who you are at least which in itself is also stroking your ego. We're all egotistical douchebags, and some of you may even think "well, fuck, I'm not as egotistical as that person at least", whoa, stroking your ego on top of it? Bites teeth and breath air fast inwards for a sec while making a slightly awkward face in the most ego way possible.

the book of dougs.

[veritas]

There are always levels of ego. It must be warred against every day of this life. It is subtle.

[BodySnatcher]

This a good thread here.


"This ain't got to do with shit but I just thought that I should mention."

"A nigga like me man, I love the game, I love the hustle. You be feeling like one of them ball players niggas you know? Like Byrd or Magic or some. Yeah you know, a nigga got dope, a nigga can leave the league. But if I leave, the fans still gone love me my nigga?"

https://media1.tenor.com/images/573ac34b23120c6bc1b29b9f14aa866c/tenor.gif?itemid=8306521

[boof]

hey man whatever happened to PM anyway

LOL boob job, playing house with a decent dude, daughter

[~RustyGunZ~]

Try being great at something first then you can figure it out. I’m great at everything I do and attempt so for me it’s passion driven but I keep it up bc of ego.

You haven't shown and proved you're good at anything. You're either 90% troll or a delusional ego maniac.

Meh at text, middle class money, look like a background mixed guy in a target ad.

Your first sentence shows that without the rest even lol. Made it about a self aware ladder climb instead of dissecting actual greats, bringing up any relevant sociological points, etc.

What a turd.

[Diode]

LOL boob job, playing house with a decent dude, daughter

do you ever think about her

[Aero]

I hope all of you become great at something.

[Objective]

the book of dougs.

I do not get this comment at all. Something I've missed out on?

[Diode]

I do not get this comment at all. Something I've missed out on?

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4955642/

Watch this show.

[uh-oh]

do you ever think about her

at night?

[Diode]

at night?

https://media.giphy.com/media/l0MYzSBs1zRvDaT4I/giphy.gif

[Objective]

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4955642/

Watch this show.

Cool, thanks for the suggestion. :) Downloading it from IPt now.