MMLP2 announced Eminem next album

[Malachi]

nov 5 2013

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peMSWg94ZwY

i almost didnt care but then i see his hair dyed

[The youngest boss.]

Just watched this on MTV

& yeah, I was like wtf @ hair

GOAT

[DLB]

sounds like it will be trash tbh son dropped another commercial w/ a diff song for beats by dre too i think

[PancakeBrah]

Seems like he's aware he doesn't have the same skill he had on MMLP and is halfheartedly trying to convince and motivate himself to get there with the weak mental trick of naming it MMLP2.

It's going to be bad.

[Malachi]

Seems like he's aware he doesn't have the same skill he had on MMLP and is halfheartedly trying to convince and motivate himself to get there with the weak mental trick of naming it MMLP2.

It's going to be bad.

word these were my first thoughts too

[Inno]

Lol you guys should all be psychic.

So hair die and the tittle of the album will be his downfall?

Copping 12 copies.

[DLB]

nope

em going halfass basically, i think em can rip it cause he always ether'ing freestyles, etc

son just dont care tbh mmlp2 seems dumb as well, it feels like a feeble attempt at attracting ppl tbh son still singing on hooks, too gimmicky, etc

[Coup]

let me put on my armor b4 the stans start flaming me

Em died and has been replaced by a clone imo

[Just C]

That commercial is atrocious, wtf. this guy's on a steady decline.

[Fig]

I'm hopeful

fuck off naysayers

[DLB]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUnY_t8pgK8

once that nigga said some shit about a rap PA-AD or something like that, i died a little inside

edit: he said RA-AG and i almost wanted to cry

[Malachi]

i hate his voice in that commercial omg^

[Wise Wiggles]

Haha that ra hag line funny as fuck tho

[Inno]

nope

em going halfass basically, i think em can rip it cause he always ether'ing freestyles, etc

son just dont care tbh mmlp2 seems dumb as well, it feels like a feeble attempt at attracting ppl tbh son still singing on hooks, too gimmicky, etc

can I pose a question for all of you...

isn't this the inevitable result of trying to entertain another generation?

I honestly believe that what EM is going through right now...PAC and Biggie would of went through the same shit.


ohh he fell off hes not the same hes not spitting that raw shit anymore.
but isn't that caused by the audience that is listening to the music...when pac and biggie was coming up the world was different. more close minded and stuck in its ways...tradition if you will...hiphop was fresh and young..it was raw...and so the music reflected the culture..some would say it was more pure...basically because it wasn't world wide...it wasn't everywhere...so rappers new their audience and what they wanted..and since hip hop was coming from a place of despair and poverty...lost hope and violence that's what rappers talked about...that kind of stuff sticks with you longer than some party anthem because lets face it...most of us can relate to violence and poverty, despair and lost hope...weve all been through that...


but now its not like that anymore...times have changed, people have changed..no ones wants to here about your drug stories and how bad you had it any more...no ones interesd in hearing about how you came from nothing countless love ones you've lost...no one wants to hear how many pounds you moved and no one cares how complex you word that...

the fact is music has changed...so many people can make music now...hiphop doesn't just come from the slums and ghettos anymore..it comes from all over the world now...no longer do you have to be poor black and disenfranchised to love hip hop anymore...the rich kids love hiphop..the white suburban kids love hiphop...and all those people come from different influences..which intern determine the type of music they listen to..along with every thing else..morals, values all that.

back to em.


I think em is trying to find a place in this new era...this era where music doesn't have to say anything at all for it to make you feel something. while stil maintaining the basics that got him to where hes at. lol jesus the man is 40 and can still out rap pretty much anyone...dude just dropped 2 albums back to back that went platinum..launched a super group. took over the charts as soon as he came back and hes falling off?

what you call falling off I call adapting...hes adapting to his surroundings...


rant over.

[DLB]

yo i read like the first paragraph & stopped tbh u ranting hard, stan

but anyways, son dropped about 3 subpar duds in a row and everyone wanna make excuses for dude being subpar. eminem has not dropped good in any standard imo for like close to a decade now. rappers can mature and drop dope, but eminem just comes off cheesy as fuck and lame now.

ex: the ra-hag line had me lol cause it was so cheesy, weird and lame tbh

[Inno]

yo i read like the first paragraph & stopped tbh u ranting hard, stan

but anyways, son dropped about 3 subpar duds in a row and everyone wanna make excuses for dude being subpar. eminem has not dropped good in any standard imo for like close to a decade now. rappers can mature and drop dope, but eminem just comes off cheesy as fuck and lame now.

ex: the ra-hag line had me lol cause it was so cheesy, weird and lame tbh

lol I realize that was a bit stan'ish lol

but yo that's what I don't get though...EM HAS ALWAYS BEEN CORNY

nigga talked about POP STARS...how fucking corny is that shit?

really nigga?

but yet...now hes corny?...that's my thing

em is still saying the same stupid bullshit hes always been saying and niggas is now starting to hate lol..I don't get that.

[Wise Wiggles]

Last night was a blast
Off a Half pint of the jack,my Last Vic & half
A flashlight up Kim kardashians ass

.....

[DLB]

lol I realize that was a bit stan'ish lol

but yo that's what I don't get though...EM HAS ALWAYS BEEN CORNY

nigga talked about POP STARS...how fucking corny is that shit?

really nigga?

but yet...now hes corny?...that's my thing

em is still saying the same stupid bullshit hes always been saying and niggas is now starting to hate lol..I don't get that.


it was okay when he first started cause he did it in moderation, not every track was like "yo Kim Kardashian, i'm grabbin ya ass as shenananagans(that's how he would say it too), rap's irrelevant, but i'm on top of, hey Barack, let me smash Michelle Obama(or bomb ha... some more Em wp from new Em). shout to Royce, D12 my fucking boys, cause we turnt up and ran a train on Selena Gomez in a Rolls Royce. i ain't even show poise, i showed poison, she was rollin, Miley Cyrus caught my iris and now she's the girl next door, what a whore, raped her in my dreams as she was on the floor, spent the whole time on tour, what am i still rapping for? I know Relapse and Recovery was trash, but i went platinum on both of those so i can sit back and laugh, cause I made stan and it's funny how my fans went from genuine into that"


that's a Em verse w/o the random ass voice pitch changes, stupid ass wp, unfunny lines, and dumb shit he says now-a-days tbh

Recovery and Relapse had almost every song mentioning raping some pop star or killing some celebrity.

[Inno]

mmlp2 will be produced by dre and rubin...I mean just that alone is enticing.


you all will be proven wrong. it will be dope sauce my friend

[Diode]

excuse me while i give a shit

...


nope.

[YDK]

Ill get it bootleg an hope I ain't too disappointed

[God Of War]

lmao at people in here calling people stans when just 3 threads ago they was stanning over kendrick lamar and shit

cant be life

[Destroyer]

I predict this shit will be fire
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peMSWg94ZwY

[Rawn M.D.]

If em is on drugs again this will b good

if not...

[Frank Metts]

Seems like he's aware he doesn't have the same skill he had on MMLP and is halfheartedly trying to convince and motivate himself to get there with the weak mental trick of naming it MMLP2.

It's going to be bad.

Skill? Wrong word homie

His subject matter just changed that's all

He went from complex rhyme sceme with punchlines sprinkled in to make more completed songs that are metaphor heavy with word play sprinkled in ... that's what happens from the time you turn 28 till now when he's pushing 40 ... your a different person mentally

I like both versions of eminem but accent eminem could eat a dick

[Frank Metts]

Dudes wanted infinite eminem

With recovery he gave infinite 2.0 em and people just didn't really listen or like it ...

He's always said he has 3 rap personalities ... slim shady, marshal mathers and eminem ... slim being the complex horrorcore type ... marshal being the deep personal type and em being that median between the two

We will never see slim in full effect again ... maybe shades of him but slim has pretty much been dead for awhile ... unless D12 drop another album but with proof out of the picture I think that's a no go

I can't wait for this album ...

[Rawn M.D.]

that survival song is actually pretty good

and d12 w/o proof would b horrid imo

[dull boy]

Eminem's too aware of himself. It's what made MMLP so good. The only redeeming thing about Recovery was him breaking down the shit he's gone through and how it's impacted him. Relapse was amazing, minus the accents. Yea, it was a little forced concept wise, but still dope. His verses on BME were terrible. His punchlines are hilariously bad. That's just a product of being too far removed from the battle scene, imo. He's too closed off. Em's a professed student of the game. It's said he used to listen to everything, and probably still does. Music then was better, and it influenced/challenged him. Music now is terrible, and he's a product of it. I could talk about Em all day, because I used to love her.

This album will suck. He isn't the same. He can still rhyme, but he has no concepts or direction besides trying to prove he hasn't lost it, but he has. He's trying so hard to be what he was, when his 40 year old ass needs to just move on.

[Natural]

I disliked survival. I disliked how he sounded in the commercial.
Enjoyed relapse and recovery a lot.....bad and evil hell the sequel was dope......

But I'm not so confident in mmlp2 or w/e

I hope I'm proved wrong....but....well....Tuesday the single berzerk comes out

[Geno]

Pshhhh. Em gonna murder shit, y'all retarded

[Frank Metts]

Call me crazy but recovery is one of my fav cds ever from any artist ... I just think front to back he was on some different shit ... so much content that gets missed cause people want to hear em talking abiut walking dead Rottweilers instead of him being real for a few tracks ...

Relapse had its moments ( sad that the best two songs were only available on the itunes bonus track version ) but when he re released with the second disc it was better .. he snapped back into slim shady for the song underground which was dope as shit for a switch up

Encore as bad as a few of those songs were overall had some of ems better material on it

And sslp mmlp and eminem show are classics

Then you have the d12 albums that are pretty fucking good

Then the first 3 track bad meets evil ep was ill

And I think em was on point for hell the sequel as well ... people say royce outshined him I think its more like they elevated each other and had fun with it ... shits good some of the rhyme scemes they play off each other witj alone are worth the buy

Idk much but I know em will drop this cd, it will blow much of what's out, out of fhe water but dudes will just hate to hate because em isn't dropping just don't give a fuck or kill you or brain damage type material .. that's the past open your mind and ears and enjoy the magic

[Geno]

thanks yoiu for this ^

and lets not forget how rediculous his 8mile soundtrack shit was btw. but thats beside the point

[Frank Metts]

thanks yoiu for this ^

and lets not forget how rediculous his 8mile soundtrack shit was btw. but thats beside the point

That too em has been amazing his whole career

[Geno]

i agree, i personnally hope the muther fucker did dye his hair back, go on a binge, and decide to say fuck everyone. but he has his kids, so if he didnt -i would totally understand. this industry aint ready for the re-birth of slim anyway, tbh

[Certain]

Frank Metts: The guy who loved Kingdom Come AND Recovery.

[Frank Metts]

Genocide I've been defending em for years .... saw him In the source unsigned hype was intrigued by the write up found some compilation cds with him on it copped them and then a just don't give a fuck maxi single came out snd I was hooked more then hooked ... when sslp came out I was in 11th grade and left school in 2nd period to go to circuit city and cop it right when they opened their doors ... put it in my aiwa personal cd player and was blown away ... most amazing thing I've heard next to ready to die
On the first spin ... I will never forget that day last period this black dude was like what you bumping I said I got that eminem joint and he just fucking laughed at me ... 3 months most every car leaving the student parking lot had em blazing lol


I defended him then and ill defend him now

[Allen Knight]

Idc wat anyone says im lookin forward to his new album an i thought recovery was dope so fuck yahll

[Geno]

Frank Metts
i fucks with you yo, real G shit. and werd, im the same concerning em. haters gonna hate.

audi

[Frank Metts]

Frank Metts: The guy who loved Kingdom Come AND Recovery.

I think you need to give both another deep listen .. no interruptions just zone and listen to what dudes say ...

Kingdom come is worth the buy for fher songs kingdom come, lost one, 30 something snd dig a hole alone and the rest of the cd is ill as shit even how he got the name for the cd explains it all

The album's name was influenced by Jay-Z's production engineer Young Guru who is an avidcomic bookfan. Young Guru told Jay-Z of a comic book andgraphic novelcalledKingdom Come in which an agedSupermancomes out of retirement to show the younger generation of super heroes how to be "real heroes". In contrast, hip hop as a whole was considered dead and Jay-Z was to make a come back and save hip hop and influence the newest generation of rappers.

[Geno]

oh, and word @ kingdom come... as many times as i may say 'fuck jay-z'

i have every and all of his albums, never been dissapointed by any, including kc
that joint has some gems, as mentioned by frank. like he said, zone dog, you gotta zone and open up to it. ...let it come, cant be looking for it cause youll never find it man, its like love... just know its there somewhere. word

[Certain]

I own both albums and have listened to them at least 10 times in a wide variety of settings (which is the case for pretty much all of the 500-plus CDs I own). Relapse was better than Recovery. Neither was good.

"30 Something" to me is one of the laziest songs Jay Z has ever recorded, but I am 20-something. So maybe that will change.

[Geno]

lol. youngins

you still my boy though Certain Serpent

[Frank Metts]

I own both albums and have listened to them at least 10 times in a wide variety of settings (which is the case for pretty much all of the 500-plus CDs I own). Relapse was better than Recovery. Neither was good.

"30 Something" to me is one of the laziest songs Jay Z has ever recorded, but I am 20-something. So maybe that will change.

I mean do you get the subject matter? I was mid 20s when it dropped ... he basically telling young dudes to take his spot so he can stop doing it ... kings need to be uncrowned and nk one can do it ... jay won't leave until the gsmes in the shape he found it in ... you don't walk away from your hurt child you nurse him back to health and then sit back and watch him grow ... def not a lazy song ... he's telling young dudes how to live right and how to mature quick and contend for his spot

[Certain]

I mean do you get the subject matter? I was mid 20s when it dropped ... he basically telling young dudes to take his spot so he can stop doing it ... kings need to be uncrowned and nk one can do it ... jay won't leave until the gsmes in the shape he found it in ... you don't walk away from your hurt child you nurse him back to health and then sit back and watch him grow ... def not a lazy song ... he's telling young dudes how to live right and how to mature quick and contend for his spot

I do get the subject matter. I just didn't think his rap was particularly inspired. He was flowing the way he does on most of his guest spots, not putting his all into it. The subject matter was driving that. He was saying, I'm already the best. I sealed that with The Black Album. I don't need to go any further. I can be lazy now and sit in my beach chair and let that guy from Coldplay sing a shitty hook.

[Frank Metts]

different tastes and opinions I guess ... I thought jay was on point the whole album and I even stated if I'd move one track it be beach chair not cause the songs terrible but because it doesn't really fit in its placement on the track listing ... to this day its his releast cd so real up until final pressing he was gonna drop it under his government name but last minute switched it back and I forget why

[just rap]

berserk, low quality ass rip.

http://www.audiomack.com/song/fashionably-early/berzerk


hmm

[Geno]

interesting, this is his single im guessing? i think the album is gonna be nuts, if this is a taste of whats to come from it... you can probably expect some illness for sure. id put this up there with his real slim shady and without me style of tracks.

[DLB]

idk what is worse

gow dickriding budden to death, frank metts acting like it's okay to spit subpar shit cause that's "Evolution" or genocide copying and pasting the same response to show his inner-Stan

[Frank Metts]

idk what is worse

gow dickriding budden to death, frank metts acting like it's okay to spit subpar shit cause that's "Evolution" or genocide copying and pasting the same response to show his inner-Stan

That's the thing your looking for rap and mind blowing punchlines and metaphor snd wordplay ... its naturally for someone who reads text

The evolution is that these cats are making good overall music now, not just rap ... jay z is appealing to someone who might not like rap that much same with em

Your not gonns catch a kid wearing a cold play t shirt having a fabolous or nas cd in his arsenal but bet he has some em and jay z and maybe even some kanye

The evolution is making music for the masses ... not just for the hard core rap fan

Rock doesnt have all the complex material rap has but real good artist constantly make music that will last ... that gets played for decades

Rap songs last what a year .. very rarely does an artist make something that's timeless ... and usually its the same artists making those songs but you csn sprinkle the occassional one hit wonder in their


Music is a business and jay and em understand it ... hell even nelly understood it but tried to move to acting and hasn't really regained focus

Em makes music ... joe budden makes some music ... jay makes music ... kanye makes msuic ... even drake makes some music... 95% of the game just raps

[dull boy]

Music is not a business. A business has been built around music. The business side of things have inspired some broad and universally appealing songs, but it's not true to the craft or the music. When musicians begin making music for universal appeal they become pop artists. It's a bad word, but it's really just a label for someone making music a wide audience can enjoy. Nothing at all wrong with that. It's upsetting, though, when a musician who is so aware of the craft and core of the music he's making ignores 'true' fans to appeal to the masses. Eminem is making music now. He's the soundtrack for sporting events, movie trailers and video games. His problem is that he's still trying to do both. For him personally, it's cool, but it comes off as him trying to be something he isn't anymore. Hip Hop is weird, because it's so new. I don't think people know how to judge aging rappers.

[Frank Metts]

Music is a business to those who understand it

If music wasn't a business then artist wouldn't sign contracts, a & rs wouldn't exist and they wouldn't call labels record companies

Music is also an expression of art .. millions of people make music but few have the ability to realise or get to the point to see the business side

Any artist that gets heavy radio play can land on the pop chart ... pop is short for popular

Music also has categories and sub categories and then those have sub categories and so on

Music to some is a simple as grabbing a beat from uhoh and spitting some words to a track or playing a guitar riff

Music as a business is promotion, marketing, getting those songs in commercials or video games trademarking your name starting a clothing line open your own label all started with the BUSINESS known as the music industry

[Witty]

I think dull meant it started as an expression of art and became a business.

I'm cool with people who do it purely for business as long as they don't try to pretend otherwise, I haven't felt like Em has been all about business at any point in his career and still don't but you can definitely see he is making a visible and conscious effort to appeal to a wider audience...which is cool, I just hope for someone who has always been about the art that it doesn't change him for the worse, I'm gonna reserve judgement on that until I hear the new album....I haven't disliked an Em album to date, but honestly wasn't feeling the small snippet of a preview from his new album's single.

[God Of War]

idk what is worse

gow dickriding budden to death, frank metts acting like it's okay to spit subpar shit cause that's "Evolution" or genocide copying and pasting the same response to show his inner-Stan

the funny part is you said that from kendrick lamars lap

[Frank Metts]

the funny part is you said that from kendrick lamars lap

Dead at the accuracy of this

Did you at least tell kendrick what you wanted for christmas?

[Geno]

Gone @ inner stan.
Ur a funny guy, congratulations death.

[Frank Metts]

Genocide they just wasn't around for the original magic ... they prob first heard older em was better on s message board and now that is their opinion .. end of story

Em said it best himself

Every CD critics gave it a 3, then 3Years later, they'd go back and re-rate it
And call the Slim Shady LP the greatest
The Marshall Mathers was a classic
The Eminem Show was fantastic
But Encore just didn't have the caliber to match it
I guess enough time just ain't passed, yet
A couple more years, that shit'll be ill-matic
And eight years later, I'm still at it

Now this isn't taken in a literal sense he mean he never gets his due when its due... people want to go by the consensus and say his music was and is subpar when critics were just scared to say they liked sn album that has some of the subject matter he has

Then after he sells 10 mill they say fuck it ten million heads can't be wrong

But he has even poked fun at himself for some of the subject matter and songs on encore snd relapse but at the end of the day their are grammys on his shelf for best rap album so it couldn't of been that bad

[dull boy]

When Em' first came out he projected himself as someone who would judge himself based off of what other lyricists and rappers he respected thought of him. No one worth a fuck thinks Encore was good. Relapse and Recovery received Grammy's, and I liked both albums despite their flaws, but to say the Grammy's give them legitimacy is like saying that (whoever won American Idol) is good because they won American Idol. Yea, I'm old, and yea, I was one of those elitist underground types in the late '90s. No one can argue that mainstream and independent genres haven't blended, but Eminem came out of the underground scene and it's what made him good, imo. I think 50 Cent sucks. Never have liked him. When Eminem signed him I cringed. (I love you like a fat kid loves cake) There were tons of good rappers he could have signed, but he signed 50 Cent. It showed what kind of taste he had, and what he was trying to do with his label. He hasn't put out a good record in over a decade (The Eminem Show), and that one was a lot less gritty than his previous two. The Eminem Show saw Eminem go from being raw to being more typical and 'gangster'. He went from serial killer, to packing guns. His persona changed. I'm not saying it wasn't dope, but there was an obvious shift for him style wise, even in his personality. Then he had those seriously thug years where he put out his Benzino disses and acted like an offshoot of his previous persona. His beats became less dark. Then he drops Encore. His style is fucking weird. He reminds me of Michael Jackson at this point. All closed off in his big house with his money and yes men. Eminem is a mimic. Growing up the way he did, you kind of have to be. Most people are, he's just a little better at it. Infinite was nothing like SSEP. His rhyming ability has always been there, but over the years his style has been all over the place, and that's whatever. Technically, he's still amazing, so he'll always SOUND good, but I don't think he has a good grasp on what's dope anymore. He's old and out of touch. Tastes have changed.

[Diode]

the funny part is you said that from kendrick lamars lap

leaned

[PancakeBrah]

I agree with most of what you said dull but I do think you're giving a little too much credit for ems self analysis and awareness.

Eminem show was great. Haven't been bothered to relisten to anything else's he's dropped since after the first listen

[Wise Wiggles]

Devil's Night was dope. I also liked 8 mile and a couple tracks off the re-up.. Also refill was dope minus that faggot drake/Wayne track..

[dull boy]

Maybe. He always comes off as someone who is very concerned with how he's perceived, to an obsessive degree. When you see him talk in interviews he sounds like a reflection of what he thinks he should be saying. Looks like he does a Patrick Bateman like morning routine. Wearing facial peels and washing his skin with 12 different bars of soap. That's odd behavior. His appearance is weird, and it reflects on his mental state.

[Geno]

But yo. Em is g.o.a.t.
Fuck what ya heard

[dull boy]

You're like a Hip Hop cliche windup doll lately. Nah'mean?

[Witty]

I also think Eminem is the greatest of all time.

N I am not no cliche doll.

It would be dishonest to say otherwise.

[Frank Metts]

dull boy I could type out a long retort and timeline disproving most of your theorys about ems history etc etc but ill just say I disagree with most of what you said and leave it at that

I will say this 50 was a brilliant signing for both em and dre not only are they still counting money they made off him 50 had an impact like very few have had

If you listen to guess who's back the same cd em heard then passed to dre then they split his signing bonus and let the man make magic you could understand better ...

50 had a major deal with columbia but after he was shot they thought he'd be a liability and dropped him ... em and dre are genius for that shit

[Frank Metts]

But yo. Em is g.o.a.t.
Fuck what ya heard

Biggie is mine but em a close second my argument is Biggie never had a bad track till puffy released some of those compilations ... but even born again had some unreleased biggie shit that was bananas ... biggie duets can eat a dick though. .. puffy should die for that shit

[dull boy]

You're looking at things from a financial perspective, and I'm looking at things from a creative side. I know a lot of people like 50, and swear he was amazing before he signed to Interscope. I admit, he made hit songs that made money, but as far as being dope? I strongly disagree, not just because of content and style, but because he's basic. I see making money in the music industry as a skill, just not high on my personal view of what I'd like to listen to. Jay Z is out to make money, and so are most rappers, but that doesn't mean I'm going to judge their product on a curve just because they're making music for the masses. 50 Cent's style, and the one Em' used during and after The Eminem Show were a departure from the style that everyone wishes he'd use now.

I've heard Guess Who's Back, btw.

[Frank Metts]

No grodt was amazing from a music standpoint ... from a business standpoint it had hit single appeal to a wide vareity .. club song, wanksta, track for the ladies... but on the music side of things 50 took dres beats and laid classic song after classic song

Everyone always points out the fat kid love cake line as the flaw but you have to remember he was speaking to a female .. females aren't males when it comes to smilies and metaphors they don't usually give a shit about complex lyrics .. that song actually had 21 questions in it.. kind of creative plus that track and the shirtless cd cover helped him appeal to that audience

Its a rather genius cd ... its not easy to drop 3 single that charts high that appeal to 3 different audiences... then those audiences expands their taste

But the white meat of the cd the non singles are amazing .. gritty ... every song every topic every lyric matches the mood of the beat and that's because of dre because the massacre was the the same way then a after fifty started making his own decisions and a lot of them weren't right

Guess who's back is just street... fifty was angry and that's when he's at his best lyrically ... front to back those 3 cds I named are classics for their music ... but get rich or die trying made dudes either step their game up or end their mainstream career

Plus their are countless mixtapes he dropped that blew a lot of albums out of the water in that time frame

50 was good when he wanted to be an artist ... I think he's head got to big to fit through aftermaths door and that has been his musical downfall

[DLB]

That's the thing your looking for rap and mind blowing punchlines and metaphor snd wordplay ... its naturally for someone who reads text

The evolution is that these cats are making good overall music now, not just rap ... jay z is appealing to someone who might not like rap that much same with em

Your not gonns catch a kid wearing a cold play t shirt having a fabolous or nas cd in his arsenal but bet he has some em and jay z and maybe even some kanye

The evolution is making music for the masses ... not just for the hard core rap fan

Rock doesnt have all the complex material rap has but real good artist constantly make music that will last ... that gets played for decades

Rap songs last what a year .. very rarely does an artist make something that's timeless ... and usually its the same artists making those songs but you csn sprinkle the occassional one hit wonder in their


Music is a business and jay and em understand it ... hell even nelly understood it but tried to move to acting and hasn't really regained focus

Em makes music ... joe budden makes some music ... jay makes music ... kanye makes msuic ... even drake makes some music... 95% of the game just raps

all them niggas u just named sold out tbh..

em, drake, joe budden, kanye, jay. they all make mainstream boring shit. that's why em and jay ain't been really doing shit since like '03 that ain't trash, kanye just be making stupid shit now, joe budden been tryna get mainstream but fails and drake is that gay best friend all women would have and shit.

these guys don't make music imo, because what i view music as is a way to express and channel emotions through. Tribe called Quest never made a song that didn't sound like it came from their heart tbh, even shit like Bonita Applebum sounded like it was more of a deep feeling u can get w/ than Jay Z spitting trash on Beach is Better or that nigga sitting here dumbing down but talking about topics like shit on Somewhereinamerica or the Blueprint 3 as a whole


imho, i feel like ya'll just listen to jay and want to be that nigga. son naming shit u never heard of and ya'll like "yoooooo this is hot", the SAME materialistic shit u deface other rappers for. jay don't drop any hot shit tbh, son got the same meaning in his songs that other rappers have in theirs. he doesn't flow it on some Nigga What, Nigga Who shit, he got the same ol' boring flow. you niggas love the beats more than the actual song tbh

[dull boy]

Hey. I feel you. I feel you, a lot.

[DLB]

the funny part is you said that from kendrick lamars lap

lmaooooooooooooooo

& u came yourself at every slaughterhouse response to kendrick's shit b
but lets remain irrelevant cause u the one that brought it up gow

[DLB]

lol old niggas just don't get it tho

em was fire when he started out cause dude was his own artist. son spazzed out on every fucking beat, owned other artists tracks (Renegade, for example) & just was creative. He just is fucking gimmicky(too much) and trash tbh, he sounds like a cheesy ass white boy trying to rap but how ironic, when a white MC comes up no matter how fresh he is, they say he's the next Eminem lol

same with Jay. even tho son stay dickriding whoever's hot, he came up doing some crazy word flips, etc. he was spitting raw. then he got more mainstream and commercial but still spazzed on tracks (flow on Nigga What, Nigga Who and the entendre's, etc was crazy). tbh once he came back from retirement as a "new artist", he started sounding like every other artist. Holy Grail would be better w/ just Justin Timberlake on it tbh cause jay-z ain't say anything. but ya'll look into his lines like:

Jay says, "i took a massive shit and called it a massive hit, *insert random BIG line of no relevance*"
you old niggas respond like, "yooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo THAT SHIT WAS FIRE, JIGGA SO HOT, HE MUST BE TALKING ABOUT THE ILLUMINATI< 666, OMG GOAT".

Jay says, "i eat orderbs, getting on these whores' nerves."
Ya'll respond like, "yoooooooooooo he said he eating ORDERBS? son is top 5 all time. this shit so fire"

then be the same ones clowning on niggas who listen to 2chainz, soulja boy, waka flocka, etc when they use similar lines. just cause niggas is old don't mean they get a pass to be subpar

[dull boy]

You are telling it like it is.