Thought experiment help?

[Elemental P]

So this is something new I'm trying, just for my curiosity and due to my interest in psychoanalysis and I've always been more in to philosophy than religion. I did my first one yesterday on FB and I used the meme where it asks: Would you stomp on the puppy for 18 BILLION DOLLARS.

But I changed it up to be more morally thought provoking. So I asked, for every 1$ let's say the saves an animals life. So that's 18 Billion animals you could save, endangered species could be saved from going extinct ect. So, would you kill the puppy in order to help the 18 Billion animals?

Well here's the results.

NO: 11 total. 6 females and 5 males (didn't cover demographics or any of that just men/women.

YES:4 Total. 3 females and 1 Male.

I had spent a lot of time drawing a conclusion from this and it's supposed to make you question your morals. Does the end justify the means?
How about any of you guys, what would you answer? And you have think about it carefully.

(So I want to continue this trend for my own intellectual reasons and curiosity and would like some help with more Thought Experiment ideas. Yes I checked Google and read some to give me some more ideas but I want to hear more original ideas. Anyone care to help or at least answer the question I posted?) I'll post my short summary conclusion (kept it short due to not enough participants and kept it vague for a reason.)

[uh-oh]

i would eat a puppy while its alive with my hands and teeth for 18 billion dollars is this a serious question?

[Elemental P]

i would eat a puppy while its alive for 18 billion dollars is this a serious question?

Yes it is. And yes I had plenty of trolls say yes (I troll myself as well) but was asking for legitimate yes or no.

[Elemental P]

But as I said I changed it from it being about the 18 Billion dollars to each dollar would go to save an animals life. If you want to keep it like the original question and just keep the money idc do as u please.

[uh-oh]

im not trolling in the least bit. i would stomp a puppy for 18 billion dollars, and thats not even a difficult question, and im someone who loves dogs. im one of those weirdos that would rather see a human hurt than a dog.

i wouldn't stomp a puppy to give 18 billion dollars to puppy welfare though, like if it just miraculously helped puppies if i stomped one to death.

but yea your experiment is flawed because its facebook where people don't want to look like terrible people to people who know them.

[Sharp]

So you've rewritten the trolley lever thought experiment?

[bleak]

Agreed I like dogs but would massacre a litter of newborn puppies for that kind of cash

[dull boy]

Is this a serious thread?

[dull boy]

So you've rewritten the trolley lever thought experiment?

Someone watches The Good Place.

[DMS]

I feel my former thread about punching blind children n shit was a bit better then this ngl, and that was just a meme.

I’d fucking clobber that puppy, no joke. Animals besides us are under our control for a reason. We’re top dogs on this earth, unlike all those other pussies, including the actual pussies.

But if the destruction of those animals, all 18 million, effect the environment in ways that negatively effect humans in the future, I’d have to rethink.

[dull boy]

Animals besides us are under our control for a reason. We’re top dogs on this earth

This is how rich people feel about poor people.

[DMS]

This is how rich people feel about poor people.

Demonstrate this is objectively wrong

[boof]

if it's not objectively wrong then neither is the perspective of the rich people in his statement and that's part of the point so hopefully you get it now

[boof]

also this was a terrible social experiment

[Sharp]

Someone watches The Good Place.

No lie my better half loves that show. I remember hearing about it in high school though. It didn't come from that though, right?

[dull boy]

No lie my better half loves that show. I remember hearing about it in high school though. It didn't come from that though, right?

It’s a quality show.

But yea, pretty classic ethical thought experiment.

[Sharp]

Agreed. We haven't seen the new season yet but I'm worried it might get too convoluted for me to want to follow

[DMS]

if it's not objectively wrong then neither is the perspective of the rich people in his statement and that's part of the point so hopefully you get it now

What?

[Elemental P]

also this was a terrible social experiment

I disagree. Why is it terrible? From what I seen you all have to reevaluate your moral compass cause if you believe a life is worth less than money which is a physical substance mankinf made then you are severely lacking in the compassion and empathetic department and should probably seek help.

[Elemental P]

And yea I chose the money as well but I would have to use at least Some of it for a good cause. Like create no profit organization for rescuing animals and for people in need. But I guess I'm just weird. Or actually have a soul, can't tell with the lot of fucked up individuals in here.

[DMS]

I disagree. Why is it terrible? From what I seen you all have to reevaluate your moral compass cause if you believe a life is worth less than money which is a physical substance mankinf made then you are severely lacking in the compassion and empathetic department and should probably seek help.

But it’s not a human life. Give me evidence none humans matter at all.

[Ghost1]

So you've rewritten the trolley lever thought experiment?

Lol thanks. Was hoping wouldnt have to scroll too far for this to be said.

Op open a book guy

Ud be amazed at the ideas people have already had

[Elemental P]

But it’s not a human life. Give me evidence none humans matter at all.

Dogs are used for all kinds of reasons, like security dogs, dogs that assist the blind and other people with handicaps and even mental instability. Fact, I was in the hospital for pancreatitis, and they actually had a hospital dog they bring around to paitents because it is known that petting an animal, is similar to hugging a grieving person, it's an analgesic. So if everything I mentioned about dogs which wasn't even a lot holds no substance at all then feel free to explain why. I don't know if I believe animals have souls, that's a different topic. But what is wrong with animals? They act upon instinct not by an ego, or motive like.mankind does. Animals aren't evil, yea we can domestic them, beat and abuse them, but they can feel pain. A dog is happy to see his owner when they get home for example. What makes that life less valueable as let's say, having an abortion, because it's "just a dumb animal"?

[boof]

dms speciesist as hell but can't comprehend classism

[Elemental P]

Lol thanks. Was hoping wouldnt have to scroll too far for this to be said.

Op open a book guy

Ud be amazed at the ideas people have already had
I assume you meant Elp? But yes I read books, quite interesting. I was only trying to put something in to my own laymen ways instead of using other classical thought experiments instead. Was no attempt at rewriting anything, merely experimenting with thinking about different types of thought experiment scenarios.

[Exis]

I'll slaughter any pussy for free...

[uh-oh]

I disagree. Why is it terrible? From what I seen you all have to reevaluate your moral compass cause if you believe a life is worth less than money which is a physical substance mankinf made then you are severely lacking in the compassion and empathetic department and should probably seek help.

nah man, its just the framing of the question blows, which is why you had to change it. what you changed it to is terribly vague as well. 18 billion dollars worth of saving animals. what animals? how are they saved? is it going to conservation of the forest or some shit? or going to shelters? etc. either way the moral impact of murdering a puppy PERSONALLY wouldn't outweigh some non personal saving of animals in general

with 18 billion dollars given to you though, and not some intangible blanket statement of saving animals, it would be so easy to get over killing a puppy though, because i think you aren't grasping how much money that is. you could personally do so much good and still be filthy rich on top of all of it

plus animals die every day b. you could rationalize anything while being able to literally afford to do ANYTHING. id stomp a baby out too, if in the hypothetical land it wouldn't be murder/i wouldnt be punished for it. its nothing against an animal in general. life is cheap. its a cold world doggie

[For Battling]

i would eat a puppy while its alive with my hands and teeth for 18 billion dollars is this a serious question?

Lmaooo

[Amen]

Is this a serious thread?

[Sharp]

I assume you meant Elp? But yes I read books, quite interesting. I was only trying to put something in to my own laymen ways instead of using other classical thought experiments instead. Was no attempt at rewriting anything, merely experimenting with thinking about different types of thought experiment scenarios.

Idk how much simpler the trolley lever thing could get tbh. Instead of kill one to save a handful of people, you're killing one to save 18 billion dogs. There's like 5 active trolley routes in my region but it's a lot easier to wrap my head around than your scenario... Am I out of touch?

On my Bob Barker shit I'm about to say no anyway. 18 billion dogs is too much to a point where so many would starve/go feral/fight for resources from other animals (pushing them to extinction etc)

[Elemental P]

nah man, its just the framing of the question blows, which is why you had to change it. what you changed it to is terribly vague as well. 18 billion dollars worth of saving animals. what animals? how are they saved? is it going to conservation of the forest or some shit? or going to shelters? etc. either way the moral impact of murdering a puppy PERSONALLY wouldn't outweigh some non personal saving of animals in general

with 18 billion dollars given to you though, and not some intangible blanket statement of saving animals, it would be so easy to get over killing a puppy though, because i think you aren't grasping how much money that is. you could personally do so much good and still be filthy rich on top of all of it

plus animals die every day b. you could rationalize anything while being able to literally afford to do ANYTHING. id stomp a baby out too, if in the hypothetical land it wouldn't be murder/i wouldnt be punished for it. its nothing against an animal in general. life is cheap. its a cold world doggie

That was exactly my point was to be vague b.c thought experiments are blown out of proportion, and exaggerated themes that don't occur in reality but simply make you question yourself. I could have wrote a novel about "The Mystery of the Man who Stomped the puppy to death in the streets in order to save 18 billion animals" and would have the premise of the movie like Men in Black where a shadow government goes around asking people to do it, not different to that movie THE BOX which was basically put in to a more realistic based scenario, i wanted it to be exaggerated.

[Elemental P]

Idk how much simpler the trolley lever thing could get tbh. Instead of kill one to save a handful of people, you're killing one to save 18 billion dogs. There's like 5 active trolley routes in my region but it's a lot easier to wrap my head around than your scenario... Am I out of touch?

On my Bob Barker shit I'm about to say no anyway. 18 billion dogs is too much to a point where so many would starve/go feral/fight for resources from other animals (pushing them to extinction etc)

This was also my point, you guys are over looking what I said at face value. I said think about the consequences (do we really NEED to save 18 billion animals" because of over population and the inflation increases daily and the ratio to that of humans is like 7.6 billion people on this planet. So that was stated like that to be a stupid sounding question in that regard.

[Sharp]

So this is something new I'm trying, just for my curiosity and due to my interest in psychoanalysis and I've always been more in to philosophy than religion. I did my first one yesterday on FB and I used the meme where it asks: Would you stomp on the puppy for 18 BILLION DOLLARS.

But I changed it up to be more morally thought provoking. So I asked, for every 1$ let's say the saves an animals life. So that's 18 Billion animals you could save, endangered species could be saved from going extinct ect. So, would you kill the puppy in order to help the 18 Billion animals?

Well here's the results.

NO: 11 total. 6 females and 5 males (didn't cover demographics or any of that just men/women.

YES:4 Total. 3 females and 1 Male.

I had spent a lot of time drawing a conclusion from this and it's supposed to make you question your morals. Does the end justify the means?
How about any of you guys, what would you answer? And you have think about it carefully.

(So I want to continue this trend for my own intellectual reasons and curiosity and would like some help with more Thought Experiment ideas. Yes I checked Google and read some to give me some more ideas but I want to hear more original ideas. Anyone care to help or at least answer the question I posted?) I'll post my short summary conclusion (kept it short due to not enough participants and kept it vague for a reason.)

Bro

the word consequences does not appear in here once. You just said we could save 18 billion animals with that money. It's the trolley lever thing's gritty 2018 reboot

[~RustyGunZ~]

OP could you run a test on how many people actually pray for strangers on FB that they say they will pray for in comment threads?

[Ghost1]

we have literally been studying ethics and morality for hundreds of years

u think ur going to just conjure an original idea on the discussion in ur stupid little peanut brain when u cant even understand that the devil is the antagonist in the Bible?

fuck u an fuck fb

[~RustyGunZ~]

we have literally been studying ethics and morality for hundreds of years

u think ur going to just conjure an original idea on the discussion in ur stupid little peanut brain when u cant even understand that the devil is the antagonist in the Bible?

fuck u an fuck fb

You’re the piece of shit that ignores when it mean satan wins

Fuck U sir

[Elemental P]

Lol and it's funny you believe in the Bible Ghost but I don't condemn you for it. You obviously have some anger issues pal. Not to mention that Lucifer is the bad guy but Luciferinans debate that subject so that clearly when over your egotistical sized water melon looking ass head fucking idiot. If you're going to paraphrase my comment get it right u fuck wit.

[Elemental P]

OP could you run a test on how many people actually pray for strangers on FB that they say they will pray for in comment threads?

Actually I just might try that. Why not, isn't hurting my life any.

[DMS]

dms speciesist as hell but can't comprehend classism

I don’t know what either of those mean, ngl, but I bet one of which has to do with something not grounded in fundamental reality.

[Ghost1]

yea ur right

try this

got a brand new idea for u

attach 18billion dogs to a machine that can send pulses of electric shocks thru the push of a button//////

then tell the participant to shock the dogs...... low voltages at first.....just little static jolts.....but then make them increase voltage

now destroy the American flag......neatly....with no one available to see you perform the act....by cutting it into small pieces with scissors and placing it into a box

you can save the doctor...the nun...or the farmer with your raft

how many children will you buy subway tickets for?


REALLY EXCITED TO SEE RESULTS OF THIS HIGHLY ORIGINAL AND UNIQUE THOUGHT EXPERIMENT

[Ghost1]

would u give your child aids if it would cure aids in Africa?


REALLY IONTERESTED TO SEE THIS ONE PLAY OUT

[Ghost1]

PUT THIS ON MY FB....EVERYONE KNOWS IM A DEEP PHILOSOPHICAL MIND

[Ghost1]

quad post Gods ghost

[For Battling]

This is classic cause and affect mind training

[DMS]

Dogs are used for all kinds of reasons, like security dogs, dogs that assist the blind and other people with handicaps and even mental instability. Fact, I was in the hospital for pancreatitis, and they actually had a hospital dog they bring around to paitents because it is known that petting an animal, is similar to hugging a grieving person, it's an analgesic. So if everything I mentioned about dogs which wasn't even a lot holds no substance at all then feel free to explain why. I don't know if I believe animals have souls, that's a different topic. But what is wrong with animals? They act upon instinct not by an ego, or motive like.mankind does. Animals aren't evil, yea we can domestic them, beat and abuse them, but they can feel pain. A dog is happy to see his owner when they get home for example. What makes that life less valueable as let's say, having an abortion, because it's "just a dumb animal"?

Demonstrate further

[DMS]

would u give your child aids if it would cure aids in Africa?


REALLY IONTERESTED TO SEE THIS ONE PLAY OUT

Would I give AIDS to all of Africa to cure my child of AIDS?

[DMS]

This is classic cause and affect mind training

Effect*

[Ghost1]

idk fagot would u?

if u could beat the shit out of dms dad to save him from beating the shit out of dms mom would u do it?

[DMS]

idk fagot would u?

if u could beat the shit out of dms dad to save him from beating the shit out of dms mom would u do it?

Would you beat the shit out of DMS’ mom if you could?

Man these are really deep

[boof]

you don't know what classism is? how old are you?

[DMS]

you don't know what classism is? how old are you?

20

So what’s classism?

Kk just googled it. And I don’t see what the pertainence is here.

[Ghost1]

YEA BOOF

EXPLAIN THE PARALLEL THEME BETWEEN PREJUDICED DISCRIMINATION BASED ON SOCIAL CLASSES AND PREJUDICED DISCRIMINATION BASED ON SPECIE DISTINCTION

GOOD FUCKING LUCK BUCKO

IN CASE U HAVENT NOTICED WE HAVE A GROUP OF ELITE THINKERS ITT

[Ghost1]

EXPLAIN THE PERTAINENCE

[dull boy]

Today I learned dms and elemental aren’t the brightest crayons in box.

[Elemental P]

yea ur right

try this

got a brand new idea for u

attach 18billion dogs to a machine that can send pulses of electric shocks thru the push of a button//////

then tell the participant to shock the dogs...... low voltages at first.....just little static jolts.....but then make them increase voltage

now destroy the American flag......neatly....with no one available to see you perform the act....by cutting it into small pieces with scissors and placing it into a box

you can save the doctor...the nun...or the farmer with your raft

how many children will you buy subway tickets for?


REALLY EXCITED TO SEE RESULTS OF THIS HIGHLY ORIGINAL AND UNIQUE THOUGHT EXPERIMENT
Sounds like you should be conducting psychoanalytical experiments there man that's genius. I say the nun wins. At least you rebuttled with something useless and neglected the fact I shut you up about paraphrasing properly. That's a win in my book.

Let's things straight tho. Most EVERYTHING has been thought up, made up, used, and so on and so forth in life at this point that really, trying to come up with a full blown wholelly new idea is going to take a lot more work.

Pretty sure I stated that I worded this in my own laymen terms for myself just to try something out. But no, that's not good enough for colostomy BAGS no he needs more, he has to take his pent out aggression somewhere why not here right bags?

And to be clear, I don't even have any qualm with you except for your ego.

"Oh that dumb ass oP, he's trying to learn new things practice stuff to get a better understanding of a subject he knows nothing about what a piece of shit" seriously I don't care. I've battle rapped for fucking 14 years boy, ain't an insult you can dish out that can ever hurt my nearly non existent feelings. I'm also more thick skinned then you clearly, if a mere post about psychology offended you. My God, seek help. Btw Christian or not you're still gonna burn in fucking hell. See you there chump

[Ghost1]

naw man lol the issue isn't u trying to learn

its u not trying to learn lol smh

this is a vastly rich topic with a wealth of information available to review, consider and learn about. u haven't even taken the time to inform yourself on some of the foundational blocks or relevant material regarding the subject in discussion.

everyone these days so worried about recreating the wheel smh

YOU being an idiot has nothing to do with MY ego

[Elemental P]

I like these other ideas though people are posting maybe I can use them. If I have consent. I guess I need to say that' sarcasm because of all the brain dead fuck wits that believe to be superior with their would-be God complex. And I'll just keep posting until you guys eventually shut the fuck up. "How dare someone try and learn something, not my watch not today Satan" lol go deep throat a jack hammer faggots.

[Ghost1]

I am the only one who posted experiment ideas and no you may not use them.

[For Battling]

I’ll experiment my cock inside Des wife throat

[Elemental P]

naw man lol the issue isn't u trying to learn

its u not trying to learn lol smh

this is a vastly rich topic with a wealth of information available to review, consider and learn about. u haven't even taken the time to inform yourself on some of the foundational blocks or relevant material regarding the subject in discussion.

everyone these days so worried about recreating the wheel smh

YOU being an idiot has nothing to do with MY ego

False. As stated again and again, I wanted to try something that I didn't even know what I was trying at first. If you wish to insult about something I never took the time to learn nor had an interest in until recently then that is your issue. I don't even know what it was I really wanted to achieve out of doing what I did I just wanted to kill time and learn something new. No I do not own any psychology books, no I'm not even a novice. But it seems fascinating to me, and I didn't that post on a whim just out of curiosity so if you wish to persecute me for the fact of wanting to better myself intellectually then that is your problem not mine and I will continue to want to learn more and new things

Doesn't psychologist say that you should try something you aren't good at and to try something new? Yes they do. And it also coincides with my following of Taoism. You can continue to bash me all you want I don't care but that's not going to change a thing.

[Ghost1]

lol at persecute u

the world getting softer an softer

fucking give a fuck about u follow the tao lmao

but word man if ur content on just dragging ur little wiener over the verrrrrry tip of the surface on this subject with no ambitions of really engaging the topic intellectually then by all means...enjoy

but im not going to sit here an say wow E for effort !

u want a participation trophy u can suck it out of my uncut cock stupid fagot.

[Sharp]

>put 'help' in the thread title
>receive blunt, but valid criticism/input
>engage distasteful thesaurus levels
>no you fools have it all wrong and didn't read into OP enough
>smh fucking philistines persecuting out here

[Aero]

i would eat a puppy while its alive with my hands and teeth for 18 billion dollars is this a serious question?

I’m going with uh-oh here and it’s not even close. I eat chicken wings you think ima save a puppy bc it’s domesticated? Idiot.

[Immolate]

i would eat a puppy while its alive with my hands and teeth for 18 billion dollars is this a serious question?

[Exis]

Lol @ Aero's sig...

[DMS]

Lol @ Aero's sig...

Little late ngl

[Exis]

I don't live on here like most fam...

[DMS]

I don't live on here like most fam...

To all really active members, boom roasted

[Immolate]

piss in my jeansky