Alright here's my pseudo-philosophical thought: I don't believe in truly 'free' will

[Sharp]

In a traditional sense, at least. And this isn't any predestination stuff, I'm still pretty squarely an atheist. I was given this idea by a friend about a year ago and came around to it a few months back.

Basically, the crux of the idea is that everything that would guide your decisions is already set. Who you are as a decision maker is determined mostly by who you are as a person in the moment, built on past experiences and your personality, and grows mostly due to external stimuli, none of which you can really control. Your reaction to those external stimuli are based on the other factors (which, again, are out of your control). All this put together means you (and by extension, your actions) are more or less set in stone

have fun with this

or don't

it's apparently not really up to us


tldr
https://i.imgur.com/gmRseBy.jpg

[Qualm]

This is basically just the same as people who believe that there are infinite universes with an infinite number of timelines, and that time being viewed as the present/past is just your perspective since everything is all happening at once. You’re experiencing a single timeline where all the outcomes have already been determined, and an infinite number of sharps are all on their own timelines making different decisions. I wouldn’t call it pseudointellectualism since there’s plenty of physicists who are working to prove this, but obviously it doesn’t have nearly as much conclusive evidence for it as something like evolution. Good post

[uh-oh]

i think this is another thing sam harris espouses to tie it into the other thread

i don't buy it but i get it. its mainly the contrarian in me. like FUCK THAT i'll stab myself right now. but then i think well maybe i was predestined to be that big of an asshole to stab myself to try and prove im in control of my DESTINY

at which point i think hey, maybe. and then continue on with life

[Big Bolo]

I have the free will to come in this thread and tell you to stfu....fuck its like Believcees.org around this bitch lately....I'm about to create some drama just to distract you from this BS, goddamn you veritas...

[Sharp]

This is basically just the same as people who believe that there are infinite universes with an infinite number of timelines, and that time being viewed as the present/past is just your perspective since everything is all happening at once. You’re experiencing a single timeline where all the outcomes have already been determined, and an infinite number of sharps are all on their own timelines making different decisions. I wouldn’t call it pseudointellectualism since there’s plenty of physicists who are working to prove this, but obviously it doesn’t have nearly as much conclusive evidence for it as something like evolution. Good post
I wouldn't call it multiple timelines since that's very theoretical (seeing as we can only prove one timeline exists) and this is just applied to what's happening in our very real lives.

I don't know enough about multiple timelines to say how this relates to one specific timeline in those theories tbh. Glad you like it though

i think this is another thing sam harris espouses to tie it into the other thread

i don't buy it but i get it. its mainly the contrarian in me. like FUCK THAT i'll stab myself right now. but then i think well maybe i was predestined to be that big of an asshole to stab myself to try and prove im in control of my DESTINY

at which point i think hey, maybe. and then continue on with life
I had the same thought when this was mentioned to me. But you didn't stab yourself right now. The contrarian in you is why you want to think that for the sake of a rhetorical argument, but at its core, I'm just saying that everything that informs our choices has already happened, meaning we can't really call our choices a product of truly free will

It's more of a semantics than philosophical argument

I have the free will to come in this thread and tell you to stfu....fuck its like Believcees.org around this bitch lately....I'm about to create some drama just to distract you from this BS, goddamn you veritas...
Like I said to uh-oh, it's the fact that everything about you that led you to come into this thread is already set. You were going to come into a brand new thread to post some of this shit because:

-personal - you're a still the negative attention lover who likes to antagonize this forum and start shit
-past experiences - your personal and boarding experience, which informs your decisions, and in some ways you're the product of our own unavoidable decisions
-external stimuli - I made this thread

So what part of that has you freely choosing to come here and make this post? You're compelled to come here and say this because of factors beyond your current control

[Big Bolo]

Lmao wtf? Bitch you sound like the loser fucking nerd that everyone avoids at the party because your constantly talking about some stupid shit....

I thought you were going to run a tourney, focus less on this thread subject and do that...

You read too many veritas post....damn V literally effecting your brain waves, maybe he is a better troll....

[Big Bolo]

Btw I'm off of work for the next 48 hrs, so I got plenty time to go back and forth with you(aka ruin your thread), fucks up? Lol @ sharp think he got it all figured out, like literally...smh

[Qualm]

Dia your boarding has gotten significantly worse lately

[GUDELJ]

Diode can you just ban him already?

[Big Bolo]

Lol daddy he's on my side....

[Sharp]

Btw I'm off of work for the next 48 hrs, so I got plenty time to go back and forth with you(aka ruin your thread), fucks up? Lol @ sharp think he got it all figured out, like literally...smh

You missed what in saying lol

Literally just that

You have free time

You're here and posting

Everything that is setting you up to choose to do this is already set - the external parts (netcees and your employer being sick of the reminder that they made the mistake of hiring you) and the pieces of your personality that drive you to want to do that (desperately wanting the attention from us, good or bad) are already set. It's more a semantic thing, but the jist is, of course you'll be here posting. There was no other way the next two days could go

[~RustyGunZ~]

I have the free will to come in this thread and tell you to stfu....fuck its like Believcees.org around this bitch lately....I'm about to create some drama just to distract you from this BS, goddamn you veritas...

in this timeline you're a stupid faggot and lowest tier boarder active (maybe ever)

[DMS]

In a traditional sense, at least. And this isn't any predestination stuff, I'm still pretty squarely an atheist. I was given this idea by a friend about a year ago and came around to it a few months back.

Basically, the crux of the idea is that everything that would guide your decisions is already set. Who you are as a decision maker is determined mostly by who you are as a person in the moment, built on past experiences and your personality, and grows mostly due to external stimuli, none of which you can really control. Your reaction to those external stimuli are based on the other factors (which, again, are out of your control). All this put together means you (and by extension, your actions) are more or less set in stone

have fun with this

or don't

it's apparently not really up to us


tldr
https://i.imgur.com/gmRseBy.jpg

Well, our passions and our will are different. Also to have free will is to reason and have control over your physical state. So which do we not have?

[Diode]

These men aren't nazis, Donny. They're nihilists. Say what you want about the tenets of nationalist socialism, but at least it's an ethos.

These men believe in nothing.

[Exis]

Thought Gj & Big were suckin' each other, guess not...
Sharp, my bad didn't read everythin' fam...Are you sayin' Destiny is determined by choices, or is I completely off kilter?...

[Sharp]

Diode gets me
Well, our passions and our will are different. Also to have free will is to reason and have control over your physical state. So which do we not have?
I feel like you're missing the point

Every determining factor in any of those is based on stuff that has already happened or already set about you. You can't really have an effect on anything that you control because your reasons for acting a certain way are based on all that

Like I've been saying, it's semantics

Thought Gj & Big were suckin' each other, guess not...
Sharp, my bad didn't read everythin' fam...Are you sayin' Destiny is determined by choices, or is I completely off kilter?...

Not really talking destiny. Just saying when you make a decision and choose A instead of B, everything that informed your decision to pick A is something you can't control (like your personality and past experiences)

Really it's just a petty issue with how the phrase 'free will' is interpreted

[Exis]

Nah I get what your sayin' bro...Sorry, like I made a decision to get a parent from my child's school out of a domestic violence relationship (& apparently she is now, which is great if that's the case) only to be completely shut out by her...If I had chosen not to I wouldn't of not only been hurt but would of regretted not steppin' in...That's like A plus B yes?

[veritas]

Sharp,

I have much to say about this. Would you allow it?

[Destroyer]

Here we go

[Destroyer]

Wouldn’t you simply be able to up and move to a completely new environment and thereby change your external input sources thus changing anything that may have been predetermined by biological and internal factors? I see the argument that this very choice would also be predetermined, but... what if the choice was made simply to disprove your argument? What if it was made again and again? I think free will lies in that area where we legitimately could make decisions like this. I think we do all the time.

[Victor.]

Nah I get what your sayin' bro...Sorry, like I made a decision to get a parent from my child's school out of a domestic violence relationship (& apparently she is now, which is great if that's the case) only to be completely shut out by her...If I had chosen not to I wouldn't of not only been hurt but would of regretted not steppin' in...That's like A plus B yes?

lol

[Sharp]

Exis tbph I think we're talking about something else now and you lost me lol

Sharp,

I have much to say about this. Would you allow it?
Of course
Wouldn’t you simply be able to up and move to a completely new environment and thereby change your external input sources thus changing anything that may have been predetermined by biological and internal factors? I see the argument that this very choice would also be predetermined, but... what if the choice was made simply to disprove your argument? What if it was made again and again? I think free will lies in that area where we legitimately could make decisions like this. I think we do all the time.
The crux of this argument is that you can't control factors that influence that decision. I still think you could decide to change your environment, but the reasons why you decide to do so are already in place. Even if you're doing this to disprove my argument, you're making the move to disprove my argument because of who you are.

I didn't even wanna use the word 'predetermined' since it sounds like we don't have a choice. I think we can choose freely, but everything that would lead you to that choice is either already done or out of your control.

It's really a dumb little semantic gripe

[Destroyer]

Not really though. It’s the crux of the argument of if we, in fact, do possess free will.
I feel like we do, even if I’m unprepared to make a good argument why

[veritas]

I have figured out how to rectify Gods all knowing with human free will...and it is the deepest tenet of my remember the future tagline sir. Are you open to discussion of this?

[Sharp]

Not really though. It’s the crux of the argument of if we, in fact, do possess free will.
I feel like we do, even if I’m unprepared to make a good argument why
I think we'd agree though. I believe we have free will and the ability to make our own decisions, but every part of the equation is already in place. it's not like we're truly choosing something rather than willingly following a natural progression

Like, if you respond to this post is kind of determined by your already existing qualities/experiences and how they influence you. It's really just a semantic thing

I have figured out how to rectify Gods all knowing with human free will...and it is the deepest tenet of my remember the future tagline sir. Are you open to discussion of this?
Sure, I don't know how much I can offer a discussion since I'm theorizing as an atheist language nazi, but I'd at least like to hear it

[Witty]

I have figured out how to rectify Gods all knowing with human free will...and it is the deepest tenet of my remember the future tagline sir. Are you open to discussion of this?

You have figured out the answer to one of the biggest conundrums in Christianity?

I, for one, am eager to know what you have come up with.

I've come across suggestions before which I decided did not make a lot of sense.

[~RustyGunZ~]

Wouldn’t you simply be able to up and move to a completely new environment and thereby change your external input sources thus changing anything that may have been predetermined by biological and internal factors? I see the argument that this very choice would also be predetermined, but... what if the choice was made simply to disprove your argument? What if it was made again and again? I think free will lies in that area where we legitimately could make decisions like this. I think we do all the time.

This is why the theory is baseless in the first place. Any argument against it can be “well, THAT is part of it being predetermined”. There’s no supporting evidence and it comes off as an excuse maker.

[Ghost1]

You have figured out the answer to one of the biggest conundrums in Christianity?

I, for one, am eager to know what you have come up with.

I've come across suggestions before which I decided did not make a lot of sense.

word.....I was reading DA Carson talk about Compatiblism and It was tough to swallow....though Im not sure I disagree with it

[GUDELJ]

If you’re a liberal you’re a bad person, plane and symbol.

[DMS]

Diode gets me

I feel like you're missing the point

Every determining factor in any of those is based on stuff that has already happened or already set about you. You can't really have an effect on anything that you control because your reasons for acting a certain way are based on all that

Like I've been saying, it's semantics



Not really talking destiny. Just saying when you make a decision and choose A instead of B, everything that informed your decision to pick A is something you can't control (like your personality and past experiences)

Really it's just a petty issue with how the phrase 'free will' is interpreted

I’d argue all those outside factors effect our emotional side, not our rational one, or our logical one(we don’t think differently, in terms of logic, just that we think with less logical thought), so we still choose are actions, because we act through will not passion. If you act off of passion and not logic, I suppose you could say you didn’t “choose” what you based your action on, but you still decided to act how you did. “Free-will” is just being able to choose your actions by yourself. If not the universe is deterministic, which can’t be true because we have reason.

[DMS]

I have figured out how to rectify Gods all knowing with human free will...and it is the deepest tenet of my remember the future tagline sir. Are you open to discussion of this?

Pretty sure Thomas Aquinas did this too. No one really says that All-knowing beings contradict free will anymore.

[Ghost1]

oh an I thought the deterministic theory was already debunked in studies on identical and fraternal twins separated at birth

its nature vs nurture

there is intrinsic behavioral cognitive capabilities that are completely hereditary and ignore external stimuli as evidenced in the studies on the twins who were raised in completely separate environments and essentially became the same people

[DMS]

oh an I thought the deterministic theory was already debunked in studies on identical and fraternal twins separated at birth

its nature vs nurture

there is intrinsic behavioral cognitive capabilities that are completely hereditary and ignore external stimuli as evidenced in the studies on the twins who were raised in completely separate environments and essentially became the same people

Determinism is that our actions our determined, it says nothing about what the determiner is.

[Ghost1]

thanks for the definition from the fagot taking highschool philosophy courses

whatever the fuck form of determinism fagot sharp is arguing in the OP k thanks pussy

[veritas]

Guys,

Work has become super busy. I have not forgotten this. I do not want to rush my words. I will be back.

[Sharp]

I’d argue all those outside factors effect our emotional side, not our rational one, or our logical one(we don’t think differently, in terms of logic, just that we think with less logical thought), so we still choose are actions, because we act through will not passion. If you act off of passion and not logic, I suppose you could say you didn’t “choose” what you based your action on, but you still decided to act how you did. “Free-will” is just being able to choose your actions by yourself. If not the universe is deterministic, which can’t be true because we have reason.

But it's not deterministic. Think of what goes on when making a decision - every variable is already in place and your choice isn't so much a choice as it is a reflection of that

oh an I thought the deterministic theory was already debunked in studies on identical and fraternal twins separated at birth

its nature vs nurture

there is intrinsic behavioral cognitive capabilities that are completely hereditary and ignore external stimuli as evidenced in the studies on the twins who were raised in completely separate environments and essentially became the same people

I'm a bad explainer, but I'm not subscribed to any sort of determinism. It's just nature + nurture are things that are beyond your control

[Ghost1]

de·ter·min·ism.
.

[dəˈtərməˌnizəm]







NOUN


philosophy
.


the doctrine that all events, including human action, are ultimately determined by causes external to the will. Some philosophers have taken determinism to imply that individual human beings have no free will and cannot be held morally responsible for their actions.

[Sharp]

de·ter·min·ism.
.

[dəˈtərməˌnizəm]







NOUN


philosophy
.


the doctrine that all events, including human action, are ultimately determined by causes external to the will. Some philosophers have taken determinism to imply that individual human beings have no free will and cannot be held morally responsible for their actions.
I too have googled it. I'm saying I belive in free will, but since everything that would lead us to our decisions is beyond our control, truly 'free' will is almost a misnomer

[Ghost1]

but yea I don't think the idea that our genetics and social constructs shape us takes away the functionality of free will. in a society of however many billion people operating with conscious and unconscious cognitive processes that we barely even understand, the theory over simplifies an irreducibly complex system.

basically youd have to say if we reset the earth to day one that every single event would occur the same leading up to the present.....I don't think our minds are so simply considered to agree with this

[Ghost1]

I too have googled it. I'm saying I belive in free will, but since everything that would lead us to our decisions is beyond our control, truly 'free' will is almost a misnomer

so what should we call it instead... kinda free will...

[Qualm]

If you’re a liberal you’re a bad person, plane and symbol.

Why?

[DMS]

But it's not deterministic. Think of what goes on when making a decision - every variable is already in place and your choice isn't so much a choice as it is a reflection of that



I'm a bad explainer, but I'm not subscribed to any sort of determinism. It's just nature + nurture are things that are beyond your control

If your choice isn’t a choice, but more so a reflection of outside factors which effect your decision making, the outside factors being reflected seem to determine your decision, no? If not then you could say we have free will.

[Sharp]

but yea I don't think the idea that our genetics and social constructs shape us takes away the functionality of free will. in a society of however many billion people operating with conscious and unconscious cognitive processes that we barely even understand, the theory over simplifies an irreducibly complex system.

basically youd have to say if we reset the earth to day one that every single event would occur the same leading up to the present.....I don't think our minds are so simply considered to agree with this
Oh, it's so much less grand than that. All I'd say is if you reset any decision you've made 100 times with the same conditions, you'd make the same decision every time... Which... Duh... But I'm looking at what that implies
so what should we call it instead... kinda free will...

I was thinking 'free-ish'. I've already alerted the nobel committee

If your choice isn’t a choice, but more so a reflection of outside factors which effect your decision making, the outside factors being reflected seem to determine your decision, no? If not then you could say we have free will.

But then you're getting into your perception of those outside factors, which is unique to you and shaped by who you already are. So those things happening I out of your control as is how you see them/grow from them

[Big Bolo]

in this timeline you're a stupid faggot and lowest tier boarder active (maybe ever)

And your the self conscious fat red headed step child that got picked on everyday...

[~RustyGunZ~]

And your the self conscious fat red headed step child that got picked on everyday...

swing and a miss

[veritas]

Ok. I appreciate your patience, Sharp. Here we go. I will try to be concise.


The answer to rectifying the fact that God is omniscient and all-knowing and yet we have free will is the deepest tenet of "Remember the Future."


THE ANSWER IS THIS HAS ALREADY HAPPENED. Try to think outside of the confines of your human mind.


Isaiah 46:10 King James Version (KJV)
10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Ecclesiastes 3:15 King James Version (KJV)
15 That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.


To God, from his eternal perspective, he has already seen the end result of all of our free will choices, while also ensuring that his overall plan (i.e. His WORD) will come to pass. That is why the Bible is able to Prophecy the future as history, and it come to pass. Example:

Micah 5:2 King James Version (KJV)
2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

How could Micah a prophet know that Jesus would be born in Bethelem? How could Jesus have decided where he was going to be born? These are verrrry interesting questions, yes?

Finally, observe this:
1 Peter 1:19-20 19But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

Here is a man, Peter talking to his future (us in these last times) about Jesus who was foreordained BEFORE the foundation of the world.

I bring up all these scriptures to try and show you that God is outside of Time, so it is very possible for him to have already seen exactly what is going to happen because it has already happened to him.

final example: imagine I have dvr'd a game. You have not seen it. I have. I play it for you....I now know everything that the players are going to do, and who wins, but the players still chose every choice they made.

I pray you read this and meditate upon it, Sir.

[uh-oh]

everything happen(s)(ed) at once

time is a fallacy

[veritas]

everything happen(s)(ed) at once

time is a fallacy

In the higher dimensions yes. That is why what I said works.

[DMS]

Ok. I appreciate your patience, Sharp. Here we go. I will try to be concise.


The answer to rectifying the fact that God is omniscient and all-knowing and yet we have free will is the deepest tenet of "Remember the Future."


THE ANSWER IS THIS HAS ALREADY HAPPENED. Try to think outside of the confines of your human mind.


Isaiah 46:10 King James Version (KJV)
10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Ecclesiastes 3:15 King James Version (KJV)
15 That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.


To God, from his eternal perspective, he has already seen the end result of all of our free will choices, while also ensuring that his overall plan (i.e. His WORD) will come to pass. That is why the Bible is able to Prophecy the future as history, and it come to pass. Example:

Micah 5:2 King James Version (KJV)
2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

How could Micah a prophet know that Jesus would be born in Bethelem? How could Jesus have decided where he was going to be born? These are verrrry interesting questions, yes?

Finally, observe this:
1 Peter 1:19-20 19But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

Here is a man, Peter talking to his future (us in these last times) about Jesus who was foreordained BEFORE the foundation of the world.

I bring up all these scriptures to try and show you that God is outside of Time, so it is very possible for him to have already seen exactly what is going to happen because it has already happened to him.

final example: imagine I have dvr'd a game. You have not seen it. I have. I play it for you....I now know everything that the players are going to do, and who wins, but the players still chose every choice they made.

I pray you read this and meditate upon it, Sir.

God’s eternalness and him being outside of time is called Omni-temporality I believe. The example with the football players was good, but in this case you DVR’d the game before the players even played. Either way the players still have freewill. The most common response to this is that it’s a none-argument, because there’s know reason to believe knowledge=causation, which is what someone claims when they say free-will isn’t capatable with omniscience.

[DMS]

everything happen(s)(ed) at once

time is a fallacy

Understand the physical universe’s laws aren’t necessary, none-contingent facts.

[Exis]

Sharp, I lost myself fam...Don't drink & text lol.

[veritas]

God’s eternalness and him being outside of time is called Omni-temporality I believe. The example with the football players was good, but in this case you DVR’d the game before the players even played. Either way the players still have freewill. The most common response to this is that it’s a none-argument, because there’s know reason to believe knowledge=causation, which is what someone claims when they say free-will isn’t capatable with omniscience.

I was dvr-ing it AS they were playing. this is obvious.

[Amen]

Here we go

[Diode]

guys i saw willie nelson last night

man can he still sing and play

and his kid is a mean blue guitarist

[DMS]

guys i saw willie nelson last night

man can he still sing and play

and his kid is a mean blue guitarist

Thas pretty dope fam

[DMS]

I was dvr-ing it AS they were playing. this is obvious.

Mhm, well in your analogy, you found out what the players actions were after they made them, then knew the past before someone else did. In god’s case, he knew the future before it happened. The situations aren’t the same at all, but just because the analogies trash doesn’t mean you’re wrong.

So god essentially DVR’d and re-watched the game before it happened, thus why said that.

[Ghost1]

we need less from u

the more you are the less you are...the less we are

[Ghost1]

Ok. I appreciate your patience, Sharp. Here we go. I will try to be concise.


The answer to rectifying the fact that God is omniscient and all-knowing and yet we have free will is the deepest tenet of "Remember the Future."


THE ANSWER IS THIS HAS ALREADY HAPPENED. Try to think outside of the confines of your human mind.


Isaiah 46:10 King James Version (KJV)
10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Ecclesiastes 3:15 King James Version (KJV)
15 That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.


To God, from his eternal perspective, he has already seen the end result of all of our free will choices, while also ensuring that his overall plan (i.e. His WORD) will come to pass. That is why the Bible is able to Prophecy the future as history, and it come to pass. Example:

Micah 5:2 King James Version (KJV)
2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

How could Micah a prophet know that Jesus would be born in Bethelem? How could Jesus have decided where he was going to be born? These are verrrry interesting questions, yes?

Finally, observe this:
1 Peter 1:19-20 19But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

Here is a man, Peter talking to his future (us in these last times) about Jesus who was foreordained BEFORE the foundation of the world.

I bring up all these scriptures to try and show you that God is outside of Time, so it is very possible for him to have already seen exactly what is going to happen because it has already happened to him.

final example: imagine I have dvr'd a game. You have not seen it. I have. I play it for you....I now know everything that the players are going to do, and who wins, but the players still chose every choice they made.

I pray you read this and meditate upon it, Sir.

Im reading cs Lewis's Miracles rn and hes discussing the nature of the future dimension being realized in the present creation in a sense of Gods eternality ..... the kingdom of god being introduced by Christ thru super natural occurences in nature alluding to the resurrection and new Jerusalem that eliminates death by merging the dimension of heaven with our universe and introduces the destruction of time as we perceive it and the rigidity of nature as an inflexible creature. Remember the future.

[Amen]

Destroyer - what are your thoughts?

[Destroyer]

Using my free will to not share them

[Amen]

Lolllllllllllll

[veritas]

Im reading cs Lewis's Miracles rn and hes discussing the nature of the future dimension being realized in the present creation in a sense of Gods eternality ..... the kingdom of god being introduced by Christ thru super natural occurences in nature alluding to the resurrection and new Jerusalem that eliminates death by merging the dimension of heaven with our universe and introduces the destruction of time as we perceive it and the rigidity of nature as an inflexible creature. Remember the future.

This is one step away from the greatest truth imho Anthony. It will make the mind hit a brick wall.

“Your future self exists right now.”

Do I need to Elab or do you understand sir?

[Ghost1]

nah I can dig it.....now I need to lose my mind trying to understand consciousness and interdimensional existence. bless UP/

[veritas]

nah I can dig it.....now I need to lose my mind trying to understand consciousness and interdimensional existence. bless UP/

It screws the mind up for sure at first but then it fills the soul with purpose.

Your future eternal glorified self exists right now.

Keep meditating upon it. Rtf.

[uh-oh]

I hope you both stub your toes for eternity

[Ghost1]

hope u step on a lego block fagot

[veritas]

I hope you think about things, Jim.

[Diode]

i hope alderaan gets put back together

[Sharp]

I appreciate you sharing. So God exists outside of time, we have free will, but from God's perspective everything has already happened so what we consider free choice is more based on our perspective on the passage of time?

I'm actually kind of saying that our choices aren't exactly 'ours' because we get to pick them, so much as that they're 'ours' because we are the result of a unique set of circumstances that in turn, can only really lead us to making one decision

Haven't actually postulated about God since thinking he was the thing parents hang over your head when you figure out santa isn't real so idk how much I can offer a discussion on your work



“Your future self exists right now.”


This sounds a lot like my atheistic semantics argument though

[veritas]

I appreciate you sharing. So God exists outside of time, we have free will, but from God's perspective everything has already happened so what we consider free choice is more based on our perspective on the passage of time?

I'm actually kind of saying that our choices aren't exactly 'ours' because we get to pick them, so much as that they're 'ours' because we are the result of a unique set of circumstances that in turn, can only really lead us to making one decision

Haven't actually postulated about God since thinking he was the thing parents hang over your head when you figure out santa isn't real so idk how much I can offer a discussion on your work



This sounds a lot like my atheistic semantics argument though



For us this is the first time it has happened. Even though it already has to God. It is hard to explain with human words.

[Destroyer]

Lol. Yeah those human words are so finite

[Destroyer]

Use zelph words

[DMS]

For us this is the first time it has happened. Even though it already has to God. It is hard to explain with human words.

Man oh man, I sure am sick of these fucking human words. Gonna upgrade to 5G Martian y’all soon as I get the chance.

Nah but to me it seems you explained it well , idk about sharp but I’ve probably put more time into this than him so no judgement.

[veritas]

Lol. Yeah those human words are so finite

That is exactly the problem. You cannot separate the observer from the observed and that is what I am attempting to do with words. It is very difficult to achieve understanding of it because the mind is limited and runs into a brick wall.

[uh-oh]

mods close this

[veritas]

Use zelph words

What does this mean? I instinctively do not want to.

[big baby]

bagga run on sentence my fav

the interdienejsnjaol of the resurrection of the planetary destruction of christ alluding to dingleberry instruction and reclusion of illusion with seclusion of sanctuary and anniversary of anna berry of letter fairies are interplanet.interdeimnseion biggerninception.

[Sharp]

For us this is the first time it has happened. Even though it already has to God. It is hard to explain with human words.

Seems pretty understandable though. I think the gravity of God's power is lost on me since I'm not a believer. Any thoughts on my little semantic gripe though?

[Ghost1]

bagga run on sentence my fav

the interdienejsnjaol of the resurrection of the planetary destruction of christ alluding to dingleberry instruction and reclusion of illusion with seclusion of sanctuary and anniversary of anna berry of letter fairies are interplanet.interdeimnseion biggerninception.

THEN U FUCKA OUNCTUATE IT U LITTLE SON OF A BITCH BABY FAGOT FUCKIN HURL U INTO A VOLCANO FULL OF SHARKS OIWCE OF SHIT OUSSY

[veritas]

Seems pretty understandable though. I think the gravity of God's power is lost on me since I'm not a believer. Any thoughts on my little semantic gripe though?

I try not to get too caught up in semantics tbh. I tel you what, give me a solid definition of your terms and we can go from there please. I do appreciate you.

[uh-oh]

My terms

Post again?

Repercussions?

THESE HANDS

[veritas]

You don’t want hands with me and you know it. Stop it Jim.

[uh-oh]

You have just incurred my wroth. Look outside, gentile

[veritas]

I am in my office. Just saw students now I am watching the wire. I will go get a smoothie in about an hour or so.

McNulty looks a lot like John Cena.

Any way, admit you don’t want hands.

I am everything you could be yet never will be. This bothers you. I reflect the secret self hate.

You are almost thirty. Time to change buddy.

[~RustyGunZ~]

I think uh oh would win a long and epic exchange of hands tbrr

He is more fearless

[Sharp]

No holds barred fight

Diode is the ref

Taking bets now, pre mag coming

[veritas]

I think uh oh would win a long and epic exchange of hands tbrr

He is more fearless

I hate you believe that. But I will use it to my advantage.

[veritas]

No holds barred fight

Diode is the ref

Taking bets now, pre mag coming

Lolll sheesh. Sharp jumping in quick

[DMS]

Which has worse odds, Veritas or Uh-Oh?

[~RustyGunZ~]

I hate you believe that. But I will use it to my advantage.

You shouldn’t

[uh-oh]

im legit debating fighting knuck for thinking that it will be a drawn out AFFAIR

V takes care of his beard.

he lost before it began

[Inno]

V steps into the ring and does a 4 hour speech on why god has ordained him to win the fist fight against the young savage named uh oh. While uh oh waits for V to finish he cramps up and when he goes to stand up he trips due to cramps and breaks his ankle. The ref disqualifies V off spite cuz he’s an atheist.

Not a single punch thrown, fights over.

[uh-oh]

i'll take that W good lookin out doggie

also V is a fool who i've defeated once again

i've turned this thread from faggy philosophical god talk into how i am his better. mission accomplished.

now we can discuss whether every decision veritas makes in his life is pre ordained to be trounced upon by me because i am god and he is but a heathen who refuses my light

[veritas]

A lot to unpack there.


Pure physicality: I am by far your superior in strength and cardio. My abs laugh at your straggly beard. I have also spent the last 9 months training jiu-jitsu. I am not good, but against an untrained opponent, your life would literally be in my hands.

Intelligence: your life bares the effects of your inability to put forth any sort of plan. More importantly, it also shows the lack of discipline needed to properly suffer thru the endeavor. Whereas my life is the definition of discipline strategy and tactics.

Lastly: I have something to live for and will fight for it with every ounce of my being. All you have is your filth and delusions. You will die alone and no one will miss you, care that you existed, or remember you.

[uh-oh]

my previous post was check, and now sir, checkmate

point proven

[Witty]

Sharp there are decisions I have made, and I'm sure we are all the same, which have went against everything my mind and my heart were telling me. Decisions which defied everything I am as a person. Decisions which to this day do not sit right with me. How does this fit with your reasoning?

[Witty]

Also veritas I disagree with your definition of what constitutes intelligence.

I consider uh-oh an intelligent man, and I consider you to also be one.

[veritas]

Also veritas I disagree with your definition of what constitutes intelligence.

I consider uh-oh an intelligent man, and I consider you to also be one.

Re-read my post, Fox. He is not pushing himself to be all he can be. He could be so much more and settles to be the Jester. There are benefits in it, he is not excercisong his intelligence. That is a more accurate statement. I apologize.

[veritas]

my previous post was check, and now sir, checkmate

point proven

Here I stand. Come at me.

[uh-oh]

Veni, vidi, vici

[veritas]

Funny you bringing up Ja Rule

[uh-oh]

ja rule is an illiterate fool who spelled it phonetically

but fun fact, first rap album i got my mother to buy me. i did it because i said it was christian rap because this cover

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51%2BA6AqM%2B4L._SY355_.jpg

even back then i was outsmarting christians to serve my own purposes.

[~RustyGunZ~]

im legit debating fighting knuck for thinking that it will be a drawn out AFFAIR

V takes care of his beard.

he lost before it began

I did amateur mma in high school hoss don’t even with me

[TeckNeek]

i believe in something bigger then us...either it be GOD or even a higher tech species that put us here... there's something... i don't believe in this perfect condition coincidence shit.. im not atheist either... but i pray to GOD or the Higher power for sure... Something out there is bigger then what we can grasp.... true shit... remember Niel A. is A. lien

[veritas]

ja rule is an illiterate fool who spelled it phonetically

but fun fact, first rap album i got my mother to buy me. i did it because i said it was christian rap because this cover

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51%2BA6AqM%2B4L._SY355_.jpg

even back then i was outsmarting christians to serve my own purposes.

Say delusions instead of purposes to be more accurate.

[Sharp]

Sharp there are decisions I have made, and I'm sure we are all the same, which have went against everything my mind and my heart were telling me. Decisions which defied everything I am as a person. Decisions which to this day do not sit right with me. How does this fit with your reasoning?

Who you are as a person is what would lead you to those decisions. Even if went against what the logical side of you, there's more to you than that. Idk your life though

[~RustyGunZ~]

Witty probably could be categorized as Freudian slips but I’m no expert

[Pharaohs Army]

Why is God even brought up in this subject?

Because there is a Sky Daddy who already knows everyone's choices and outcomes?

Sounds pretty absurd to me.

[DMS]

Why is God even brought up in this subject?

Because there is a Sky Daddy who already knows everyone's choices and outcomes?

Sounds pretty absurd to me.

Idk either tbh, god’s existence being comparable with free will doesn’t prove shit

[Sinacog]

I do believe we have free-will..lol.

I do agree we have free-will...we make our own decisions..we have lessons made through life through God and Angels guiding us...I don't think they make our decisions..they help guide us through decision making. If we had specific traits set for a destiny already..why weren't those already set- in stone...lol..but this was a okay discussion thread..but I do believe we have free-will guided by the guardian angels that lived long ago in the biblical era..but that's me..lol..nice discussion..good..lol...

[DMS]

I do believe we have free-will..lol.

I do agree we have free-will...we make our own decisions..we have lessons made through life through God and Angels guiding us...I don't think they make our decisions..they help guide us through decision making. If we had specific traits set for a destiny already..why weren't those already set- in stone...lol..but this was a okay discussion thread..but I do believe we have free-will guided by the guardian angels that lived long ago in the biblical era..but that's me..lol..nice discussion..good..lol...

Notice how there’s no argument here and it adds nothing?

[Elemental P]

This is basically just the same as people who believe that there are infinite universes with an infinite number of timelines, and that time being viewed as the present/past is just your perspective since everything is all happening at once. You’re experiencing a single timeline where all the outcomes have already been determined, and an infinite number of sharps are all on their own timelines making different decisions. I wouldn’t call it pseudointellectualism since there’s plenty of physicists who are working to prove this, but obviously it doesn’t have nearly as much conclusive evidence for it as something like evolution. Good post

The multi verse theory basically opposes this. Same idea with viewing a photon, it needs an observer in order to see where it's possibly going. Not going to get all deep and shit about this because people on this site are pretty linerar thinking anyway

[Ghost1]

Don't blame the site for your lack of depth

[veritas]

Solid retort