bernie sanders campaign gets 1 million volunteers to sign on in 1 week

[boof]

340k of them were not involved in the 2016 campaign

also raised 6 million dollars on day 1, $27 avg per person

the people vs. trump

democratic socialism vs. croney capitalism

who you got winning the democratic primary and

give a percentage for how likely you think trump is to win again

[bleak]

Its hard to beat an incumbent, people get complacent and just like fuck it he didn't do too bad. But a lot of the people in the middle who voted Trump only over Hillary are seeing that he isn't the ideal choice. I'd say he lost a lot of those votes for the upcoming election. I can't really see him gaining many voters in that same time span.

Bernie/AOC (who would never win the big one) is our only hope, and we ARE COMING. hide ur swamps faggots

[boof]

I think bernie/tulsi is legit

only thing that can fuck it up is biden/beto or hillarys wretched ass popping back in

[~RustyGunZ~]

Bernie/AOC sounds awful

They’re as likely to make a socialist police state as trump is to make a fascist union

I’ll take the one where we have a chance vs the state

[boof]

the guy who called for demilitarizing police is going to create a police state? knuck i know you know better

who you got tho?

[~RustyGunZ~]

the guy who called for demilitarizing police is going to create a police state? knuck i know you know better

who you got tho?

How does he accomplish that without a police state?

[boof]

you think his plan is to use an increase in police force to force the police to use less force?

[~RustyGunZ~]

you think his plan is to use an increase in police force to force the police to use less force?

I don’t think either him or trump will do any actual long term damage, and if they do my chances are better with trump.

How do you demilitarize a police force before demilitarizing the people?

You don’t dont bother responding so let’s move on to

How do you demilitarize the people?

I got no one atm though bunch of scrubs. Waiting for some all stars to show up. Might be convinced to back Rand Paul

[bleak]

Hillary needs to give up, it's never going to happen and it fucks everyone else in the process. That's all that will be said by me pertaining to that swamp monster.

Be careful with Tulsi, she is close to becoming another corporate shill. Look into some of her votes and stances. AOC is my pick as VP.

Booker is a joke, Biden is a saint but kinda missed the ball by not declaring before Bernie.

Biden/Beto would be a fine alternative but I've had 3rd degree berns since 2015

[boof]

I don’t think either him or trump will do any actual long term damage, and if they do my chances are better with trump.

How do you demilitarize a police force before demilitarizing the people?

You don’t dont bother responding so let’s move on to

How do you demilitarize the people?

I got no one atm though bunch of scrubs. Waiting for some all stars to show up. Might be convinced to back Rand Paul

i'm confused. you don't think there's a way to legislate the end of incentivizing local police forces with leftover military gear?

im not sure what this demilitarizing of the people talk is

rand paul aight tho

[DMS]

SOCIALISM IS A MORAL EVIL AND ECONOMIC FAILURE? (NOT CLICKBAIT!) (WITH PROOF!)

[~RustyGunZ~]

i'm confused. you don't think there's a way to legislate the end of incentivizing local police forces with leftover military gear?

im not sure what this demilitarizing of the people talk is

rand paul aight tho

You’re saying you want police running around with beatin sticks and tasers instead of guns yeah?

[uh-oh]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEsmSGONGdU

[Immolate]

Republicans will actually win, but, dems gonna steal the election like they did in Florida and a few other states i cant remember right now.

votes from illegals + fake absentee ballots = Dems winning 2020

[uh-oh]

honestly the republicans greatest hope for re-electing trump is if bernie gets the democratic nod.

that pedo biden has a much better shot. but honestly just judging it how i judged the 2016 election, i got trump at 99.9 percent against bernie and 93 percent against biden

he's been bodying this presidency. i don't think the fake media hysteria over non issues counterbalance the surprise of him being an effective president. so basically those that didn't vote against him ain't gonna be near enough vs those that didn't vote for him. if that makes sense

of course im judging it solely off those i interact with in ohio da land of da gods. aka a state that actually matters aka a state with both parties aka not a circle jerk of liberalism or conservatism respectively

[Zaddy]

Fuck it

[Immolate]

honestly the republicans greatest hope for re-electing trump is if bernie gets the democratic nod.

that pedo biden has a much better shot. but honestly just judging it how i judged the 2016 election, i got trump at 99.9 percent against bernie and 93 percent against biden

he's been bodying this presidency. i don't think the fake media hysteria over non issues counterbalance the surprise of him being an effective president. so basically those that didn't vote against him ain't gonna be near enough vs those that didn't vote for him. if that makes sense

of course im judging it solely off those i interact with in ohio da land of da gods. aka a state that actually matters aka a state with both parties aka not a circle jerk of liberalism or conservatism respectively

ha i'm in michigan rn. ohio is our nemesis. thanks for the toledo strip (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toledo_War) btw ;)


i agree. Trump's done a surprisingly solid job, which America would know if 99% of the coverage of him wasn't done by salty ass Hillary supporters


Never forget, Chris Cuomo on live air:

CNN's Chris Cuomo on Hillary: "We Couldn't Help Her Anymore Than We Have"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9zMwOQMNYM

[boof]

You’re saying you want police running around with beatin sticks and tasers instead of guns yeah?

no. we don't want them in inner city streets with tanks and sniper stands letting off rubber bullets tear gas and flash bangs directly at unarmed protesters. trapping people onto private property and snatching up RANDOM people because of a community vigil. i watched charlotte and baltimore for 5+ hours. the cops are the aggressors 9 times out of 10, the cops are always decked out in military gear and assault rifles. this is what demilitarization intends to do away with.

[boof]

Republicans will actually win, but, dems gonna steal the election like they did in Florida and a few other states i cant remember right now.

votes from illegals + fake absentee ballots = Dems winning 2020
you've clearly been hanging around too many rich white girls with powerful daddys

you dont know republicans do just as much rigging? mark harris literally crying on camera this week? brian kemp? kris kobach?

"votes from illegals" is not real. fake absentee ballots happens on both sides. dont be naive, that is far from the actual widespread election fraud happening

[Ghost1]

In for uh oh to tell us how Trump has bodied his presidency

[Sharp]

Not a Bernie guy

Lot about him makes me feel weird and I really consider myself overly left

At this point I'll take most of the democrats aside from Kamala Harris. I think of the current field, I like Klobuchar the most... Which... I wouldn't have expected... But here I am

[Immolate]

you've clearly been hanging around too many rich white girls with powerful daddys

you dont know republicans do just as much rigging? mark harris literally crying on camera this week? brian kemp? kris kobach?

"votes from illegals" is not real. fake absentee ballots happens on both sides. dont be naive, that is far from the actual widespread election fraud happening

damn if u think votes from illegals aint real then you retarded. i grew up around illegals, like, 90% of my neighbors were illegals. i know they voted.

i dont hang around any rich kids im in the woods rn with poor white miners.

[Immolate]

u just privledged, u dont feel the real effects of illegals so u all lovey dovey. i want u to live where i live so you can get killed by an illegal. then you aint gonna pop shit

[Immolate]

my boy in middle america talking about borders smh

[Immolate]

https://i.imgur.com/SooJGkD.gif

from now on your name, Mike, your name is Karen. cuz you talk about shit you dont know with a passion. while lookin like a copycat (NPC + Chance the Rapper ass)

[uh-oh]

Alaska is pretty big eh. They say the midwest is gonna be like the south, climate wise. In 50 years or 2050 or whenever the climate eggheads decide it will be. I bet alaska is gonna be dope as shit then. Get a normal winter and some dope frigid beaches. Spring break where the sun stays out forever

Im bout to go buy 37 straws see if we cant hurry this along

[boof]

immo i feel like you should know this

i live in that orange section, and, actually always have, my entire life lmao damn

but also ive been in oc sd la for 3 years now

[boof]

damn if u think votes from illegals aint real then you retarded. i grew up around illegals, like, 90% of my neighbors were illegals. i know they voted.

i dont hang around any rich kids im in the woods rn with poor white miners.

find any stat to back it up and i'll show you at least two other examples of voter fraud that are more prevalent

[~RustyGunZ~]

no. we don't want them in inner city streets with tanks and sniper stands letting off rubber bullets tear gas and flash bangs directly at unarmed protesters. trapping people onto private property and snatching up RANDOM people because of a community vigil. i watched charlotte and baltimore for 5+ hours. the cops are the aggressors 9 times out of 10, the cops are always decked out in military gear and assault rifles. this is what demilitarization intends to do away with.

We do when there is a riot. It’s literally less lethal ways of dealing with it. Ferguson wasn’t a peaceful protest it was a riot. The other two examples didn’t have tanks. I own a sniper rifle and 3 guns comparable to an AR15. You want us to be more armed than the police?

[boof]

bro i know you saying that means you haven't watched nearly enough live footage of these events.

if you're trying to argue that police don't use excessive force during peaceful protests or vigils, you aren't going to get far with me. i've seen it time and time again

el cajon police shot unarmed civilians in the face with bean bags during a vigil. literally a vigil, not even a protest. police turned standing rock into a riot. a girl lost her arm. she wasn't armed, she wasn't aggressive. charlotte wasn't a riot until the police escalated, i watched it happen. someone got shot point blank in the face and died, and it immediately got swept under the rug. the police almost always decide when to turn things up, and it has nothing to do an increase in aggressive activity by the protesters 9 times out of 10. but no, police do not show up to 'riots' with tear gas. they show up to peaceful protests, they stand around for a bit, and then they launch rubber bullets & tear gas canisters directly at people who are unarmed and peaceful. all the time. are their exceptions? sure. but that is completely overstated while police aggression is virtually erased from any media coverage. and hopefully you're aware of black bloc protesting/paid provocateurs as well.

do i want us to be more armed than the police? this is an interesting question but my answer is that the police should not be militarized and i do not mind how many guns a sane, responsible adult has so indirectly, sure. worked for the bundy standoff, and the opposite has left many understandably concerned and angry protesters injured or dead.

[~RustyGunZ~]

of course the bleeding heart liberal points to agent provocateurs instead of owning up to antifa and the rest of the radical left protesters being emotional shitbrains that get themselves in trouble by skirting the line of "peaceful protest" and riot.

bean bags and teargas are for crowd control. you fucking retards dont seem to understand the limits to what is a protest and what is blocking intersections/walkways and inciting aggression

[boof]

nah you just haven't seen it. nothing im referring to involves antifa, i'm talking strictly inner city police brutality. i didn't point to provocateurs, just hoping you understand the reality of them. "the limits to what is a protest" is a pretty ironic phrase coming from someone who's worried about having a chance against the state LOL come on knuck.

[bleak]

of course the bleeding heart liberal points to agent provocateurs instead of owning up to antifa and the rest of the radical left protesters being emotional shitbrains that get themselves in trouble by skirting the line of "peaceful protest" and riot.

bean bags and teargas are for crowd control. you fucking retards dont seem to understand the limits to what is a protest and what is blocking intersections/walkways and inciting aggression

So now the entire left is responsible for antifa?

In that case yall need to do something about the neonazis.

I don't condone the actions of a bunch of misguided communists, just like you hopefully see the fault in the alt right movement. I don't know what ever happened to moderates

[boof]

i mean except standing rock which you clearly didnt see enough of either if you think the national guard was conducting 'crowd control' in the middle of fucking nowhere with, again, unarmed protesters.

[~RustyGunZ~]

nah you just haven't seen it. nothing im referring to involves antifa, i'm talking strictly inner city police brutality. i didn't point to provocateurs, just hoping you understand the reality of them. "the limits to what is a protest" is a pretty ironic phrase coming from someone who's worried about having a chance against the state LOL come on knuck.

i said antifa and other radical leftist groups, not sure all the names for them since they're all irrelevant aside from antifa

you misunderstand my wanting you to think logically with my personal beliefs

i have no problem with resistance to the state, i have an issue with crybaby leftist puffing their chest and pulling their britches up and then whining about how it gave them a wedgie

you're trying to say strawmen like some lady that lost her arm and others getting bruises because they skirted the line means police should have less funding for proper tools of crowd control. that's fine if you want civilians to be more armed than the police and would prefer a country where we the people run the show and the police handle traffic violations and such.

BUT then you need to logically point to how that happens in a likely scenario

you need evidence to your opinion being fruitful to have one, your parents were lying to you when they said you were simply entitled to one

[~RustyGunZ~]

So now the entire left is responsible for antifa?

In that case yall need to do something about the neonazis.

I don't condone the actions of a bunch of misguided communists, just like you hopefully see the fault in the alt right movement. I don't know what ever happened to moderates

i don't think you're well enough equipped with knowledge on this topic to join in

you are not reading what I said correctly to come to the conclusion i'm blaming the left for antifa

or for that matter open minded enough in politics to take me saying a characteristic of one side of the far spectrum means i am even slightly leaning to the opposing far side.

[boof]

because they skirted the line

this is where you're assuming, and wrong. but it is interesting that you assume 100% of situations where the cops become aggressive is because somebody without a badge skirted the line and NEVER because any individual cop decided to get this show on the road or got tired of being yelled at by concerned citizens or were just plain given orders to shut the event down by any means necessary or even just got overly emotional and reacted. what is the line? is it yelling too loudly? is it throwing a tear gas cannister back because the last one just blew up in your friends face? is it throwing a rock at someone in riot gear? is it having too many followers on your live stream? is it shutting down satellites in a concentrated area of protesters to prevent them from streaming anything? is it locking people in kennels and taking them to trial hours away to ensure a lack of support for the defendant? is it aggressively criminalizing journalists for filming the event? is it coordinating with other departments to bus in loads of out of state people to make the crowd seem more threatening? is it reaching through the neutral zone and snatching people up and dragging them away for no reason other than intimidation? the line has two sides my guy. dont forget that

[bleak]

i don't think you're well enough equipped with knowledge on this topic to join in

you are not reading what I said correctly to come to the conclusion i'm blaming the left for antifa

or for that matter open minded enough in politics to take me saying a characteristic of one side of the far spectrum means i am even slightly leaning to the opposing far side.

You are just accusing me of what u are doing inherently with that last statement.

I'm trying to understand your stance.

What u said is that the left only focuses on the situations where their agenda can be pushed and ignore the clearly violent protests exhibited by groups such as antifa, correct?

The same can be said of the right. Charlottesville was done for the purpose of inciting aggression and almost nothing else.

I hate debating tbh I didn't read the whole thread, I just despise antifa and it's ridiculous that antifa is the ace in the hole you pull out to debate boof lol he's got it from here anyways

[~RustyGunZ~]

this is where you're assuming, and wrong. but it is interesting that you assume 100% of situations where the cops become aggressive is because somebody without a badge skirted the line and NEVER because any individual cop decided to get this show on the road or got tired of being yelled at by concerned citizens or were just plain given orders to shut the event down by any means necessary or even just got overly emotional and reacted. what is the line? is it yelling too loudly? is it throwing a tear gas cannister back because the last one just blew up in your friends face? is it throwing a rock at someone in riot gear? is it having too many followers on your live stream? is it shutting down satellites in a concentrated area of protesters to prevent them from streaming anything? is it locking people in kennels and taking them to trial hours away to ensure a lack of support for the defendant? is it aggressively criminalizing journalists for filming the event? is it coordinating with other departments to bus in loads of out of state people to make the crowd seem more threatening? is it reaching through the neutral zone and snatching people up and dragging them away for no reason other than intimidation? the line has two sides my guy. dont forget that

where did I say 100%

nothing is 100%

for the rest of your post, some of it sounds awfully cyeahhh of you lmao post links from reputable sources proving anyone ever shut down satellites or bussed in hundreds of dumby protesters on the states dime or don't ever use them as examples again

[~RustyGunZ~]

You are just accusing me of what u are doing inherently with that last statement.

I'm trying to understand your stance.

What u said is that the left only focuses on the situations where their agenda can be pushed and ignore the clearly violent protests exhibited by groups such as antifa, correct?

The same can be said of the right. Charlottesville was done for the purpose of inciting aggression and almost nothing else.

I hate debating tbh I didn't read the whole thread, I just despise antifa and it's ridiculous that antifa is the ace in the hole you pull out to debate boof lol he's got it from here anyways

i said antifa AND THE OTHER RADICAL LEFT

so radical feminist etc

i'm seriously unsure where the rest of your post is trying to go. please read the rest of the thread because i think you just read one post and you're taking it the wrong way

[boof]

take away the busloads thing i'm not sure about that i just remember a department spokesperson saying it after the 2nd night of protest in charlotte. maybe it wasn't true. but i was in standing rock when service went down for roughly 18 hours during one of the more aggressive nights. certain tribes had livestreams rolling that were being viewed by tens of thousands of people. quite a few semi-popular journalists were around doing the same. when i wasn't in standing rock i would watch them. when i was there, nobody could get a signal for the entirety of the night and well into the next afternoon. this was the night they brought water cannons out for the first time. the general consensus was that they blocked nearby satellites and there's a ton of other details i could hunt down from that time period but i'm really not interested. if you don't believe me idc, ignore that one too.

[boof]

the rest is definitely easy to find though and really i was just giving random examples. its not huffy puffy antifa fags getting upset about wedgies. its systematic intimidation by militarized police to shut people up. thats not up for debate. that's a tried and true tactic by the state.

[boof]

honestly though there's so much nuance to it that this is a pointless conversation to have unless you've been there or seen enough live footage

[uh-oh]

wasn't standing rock about trespassing though, where the protests were occurring was on private land if i remember right?

so is that not "skirting" the line?

im not for the police though in any sense in these matters. id much rather watch livestreams of protesting gang wars tbh

[uh-oh]

but yo, is anyone else amazed at how thoroughly they turned the proudboys into an actual hate group? its been explained numerous times now how gavin started it, how there was mad diversity in it etc. but they kept calling it a nazi group until gavin had to leave and actual supremacists took over lol

that was probably the craziest development of all this stuff imo. watching how the media and public opinion literally transformed the makeup of a "group" or whatever you label it.

it was literally just pro america bro's lmao. whites blacks samoans hispanics etc.

[boof]

u mean like what happened to antifa? lol. they turned it from random people who were anti fascist into this organized entity that is the equivalent of neo nazis?


but i was wondering where u were on that whole thing. gavin looked like a fool to everyone outside his realm. and then the meme's of him putting a dildo up his ass went viral. that was fun.


but no the land they were on was the same land they camped on for about 6 months with approval gained by tribal leaders. then the owner made a deal with the pipeline company and sold them the land like in november when things had already gotten out of hand.

[uh-oh]

u mean like what happened to antifa? lol. they turned it from random people who were anti fascist into this organized entity that is the equivalent of neo nazis?


but i was wondering where u were on that whole thing. gavin looked like a fool to everyone outside his realm. and then the meme's of him putting a dildo up his ass went viral. that was fun.


but no the land they were on was the same land they camped on for about 6 months with approval gained by tribal leaders. then the owner made a deal with the pipeline company and sold them the land like in november when things had already gotten out of hand.oh word yea i just remember something about them being on private land but i didn't follow it.

im sure antifa was a similair situation

but gavin was always a fool lol. that was the point of it all. ive been a member of compoundmedia since anthony cumia started it. a podcast network basically and gavin had his show on there. since it was behind a paywall, they all went way over the top comedy wise. im pretty sure he tried putting a hillary clinton bobblehead up his ass too lol. but word his show was great for just nonsense comedy and shit. no one was ever supposed to view him as serious. just look at any of his appearances on "news" shows like shit from fox, redeye or hannity etc.

but yea the proud boys was from an alladdin musical he went to where they sung a gay song titled "proud of your boy". uhuru is what callers would say when they called in as a joke after he played a video of a gay black dude demanding reparations from white cucks where he was making them say it and shit

it was all jokes but word it all ended up spinning out of control, and he leaned in comedically in the early days, which when edited does seem like he's some crazy leader of violence, but people who actually watched the show got it lol.but word that escalated quickly. its just a shame that it did get taken over though, but i haven't really looked into it for awhileeeee. just catch the random headlines that they have a "chairmen" and white supremacist leaders.

i don't think antifa was ever a joke though, but im sure they were normal protesters in the beginning who then got more and more demonized and filled with the ranks of shit people

[~RustyGunZ~]

the rest is definitely easy to find though and really i was just giving random examples. its not huffy puffy antifa fags getting upset about wedgies. its systematic intimidation by militarized police to shut people up. thats not up for debate. that's a tried and true tactic by the state.

Call me foolish but someone saying their evidence is easy to find then not presenting it means their opinion on the matter isn’t worth either of our time.

[boof]

cool so i’m gonna spend a half hour reliving this garbage just to prove to some knucklehead that seems to believe in 'free speech zones' that the state silences any group or individual that successfully threatens corporate profits or the basic structural protection of state interests. you should know that already. private mercenary groups with ties to blackwater were at standing rock helping carry this shit out. they treated peaceful american protesters no less than terrorists. i’ll get you links, but you really should just search:

-protesters locked in dog kennels
-snatch & grab protest(there’s a ton of examples on youtube)
-journalist arrested for filming standing rock
-mercenaries in standing rock

and see the shit for yourself.

[boof]

https://theintercept.com/2017/05/27/leaked-documents-reveal-security-firms-counterterrorism-tactics-at-standing-rock-to-defeat-pipeline-insurgencies/

https://www.hcn.org/articles/the-government-used-military-tactics-to-supress-nodapl-activists


53 bills in 30 states have been introduced since standing rock to criminalize protests. if you think this is more about too many violent rascals skirting the line(0 injured officers vs. 300 injured protesters in standing rock) and not 100% about protecting corporate profit this is silly. you should know this shit. federal agencies have had undercovers spend upwards near a decade at a time infiltrating environmentalist groups. local activists have long public records at city hall. prominent flint and ferguson activists and their family members have wound up dead. if you dont know this stuff, this is too long of a conversation to realistically have.

but if you want evidence of anything else just ask I GUESS

[~RustyGunZ~]

https://theintercept.com/2017/05/27/leaked-documents-reveal-security-firms-counterterrorism-tactics-at-standing-rock-to-defeat-pipeline-insurgencies/

https://www.hcn.org/articles/the-government-used-military-tactics-to-supress-nodapl-activists


53 bills in 30 states have been introduced since standing rock to criminalize protests. if you think this is more about too many violent rascals skirting the line(0 injured officers vs. 300 injured protesters in standing rock) and not 100% about protecting corporate profit this is silly. you should know this shit. federal agencies have had undercovers spend upwards near a decade at a time infiltrating environmentalist groups. local activists have long public records at city hall. prominent flint and ferguson activists and their family members have wound up dead. if you dont know this stuff, this is too long of a conversation to realistically have.

but if you want evidence of anything else just ask I GUESS

So what you’re saying is, we take the military grade equipment from the police, since they enforce companies that can pay them off, so that the companies can buy their own private militias to do so and have no recourse against the police since they have lesser equipment now

Sounds great

[boof]

lmao jesus knuck i think its quite obvious that bernie isn't okay with giant oil corporations hiring private militia to do violent crowd control either.

[boof]

the point was he's not going to create a police state. took you 3 pages to get it

[Zaddy]

Too much libtard ignorance in this thread


Long live conservatives

[~RustyGunZ~]

lmao jesus knuck i think its quite obvious that bernie isn't okay with giant oil corporations hiring private militia to do violent crowd control either.

it's as likely as trump making the US a fascist regime, ...

the point was he's not going to create a police state. took you 3 pages to get it

which was my entire point for bringing that up

you've proven nothing but the fact you base your opinions on your personal ideas and anecdotes as opposed to evidence and logic so cut the shit with the facade you were helping me get to a point over 3 pages because I can't comprehend the wild west world of protesting.

[boof]

the evidence is overwhelming my guy

i gave you two links exposing the most elaborate of it which should easily put everything else into perspective but

i know you never intended on listening you were just trying to see if i'd pin myself into a corner so you could feel good but instead just allowed me to get you hip with whats really going on like i do for everyone because i like doing that

thanks

[~RustyGunZ~]

the evidence is overwhelming my guy

i gave you two links exposing the most elaborate of it which should easily put everything else into perspective but

i know you never intended on listening you were just trying to see if i'd pin myself into a corner so you could feel good but instead just allowed me to get you hip with whats really going on like i do for everyone because i like doing that

thanks

I was trying to see if you understood how illogical your view was

You posted two links that make some of your claims valid in the case of one protest, after pages of arguing point with examples you eventually dropped becasue they were just things you think you heard somewhere or saw at a protest you were in so had to be there bro

You didn’t get me hip with anything, you just walked in a circle arguing for nothing

Are you still confused about how demilitarization of police forces isn’t going to happen in a way that does more harm than good, or are you saying now that you think that harm is justified for the eventual good? Or do you still not understand that things can’t be how you think they should be cus gosh darnit that’s how things should be

[boof]

there are literally hundreds of examples of snatch & grab policing at protests i asked you to look for yourself. you can easily find out about the journalists jailed. what else do you need evidence of? i think if you read the article you could understand how easy shutting off satellite response in the middle of nowhere would be for them. the only one left is the bus which i politely rescinded.

all i said is that bernie called for the demilitarization of police at one time in response to your dumb comment about him, you acted like its not necessary or that they aren't over aggressive. so i corrected you.

what happened in standing rock is an extreme example obviously that's why it's the one i stuck with, seemed easier for you to grasp. but that also means the only reason you've given for not demilitarizing police is a pretty irrelevant one.

if your idea of harm is people having the ability to assemble peacefully and put actual pressure on their representatives to represent them properly without being beaten back into a quiet corner then yes that one about eventual good is the closest one

[~RustyGunZ~]

there are literally hundreds of examples of snatch & grab policing at protests i asked you to look for yourself. you can easily find out about the journalists jailed. what else do you need evidence of? i think if you read the article you could understand how easy shutting off satellite response in the middle of nowhere would be for them. the only one left is the bus which i politely rescinded.

all i said is that bernie called for the demilitarization of police at one time in response to your dumb comment about him, you acted like its not necessary or that they aren't over aggressive. so i corrected you.

what happened in standing rock is an extreme example obviously that's why it's the one i stuck with, seemed easier for you to grasp. but that also means the only reason you've given for not demilitarizing police is a pretty irrelevant one.

if your idea of harm is people having the ability to assemble peacefully and put actual pressure on their representatives to represent them properly without being beaten back into a quiet corner then yes that one about eventual good is the closest one

So you admit to using shitty debate tactics lmao while insulting my intelligence to boot

Or you don't even know how that logical fallacy is low IQ, which in that case why don't you go take some gen ed sociology/psych classes at your local university you'll fit right in with the humanities crowd

[~RustyGunZ~]

You did not correct me, btw

You have failed miserably to do so. You didn't even talk about DALP stuff until I made you give examples. The first cases you brought up you abandon. I looked up the first one you mentioned and found nothing of substance that would defend your points, so didn't bother looking into your other "evidence" which is conveniently not present

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using the most notable example for you is shitty debate tactic? i dunno, if you're caught up in ego maybe. im just trying to help you understand the reality of it and how far its gone already.

you said it only happens when protesters incite aggression, and 1 person getting hurt shouldnt mean less funding. i gave you a very over the top example with lots of injuries so you understand better about why we think demilitarization should happen.

but its only extreme in the sense of calling in private mercenary to help.

keep in mind what i told you about new anti protesting bills and you can make a good guess these military tactics will be used again domestically if anyone stands up to corporation > people mentality as persistently as the natives did.

hopefully you get it

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which one? i'll grab it for ya.

[~RustyGunZ~]

using the most notable example for you is shitty debate tactic? i dunno, if you're caught up in ego maybe. im just trying to help you understand the reality of it and how far its gone already.

you said it only happens when protesters incite aggression, and 1 person getting hurt shouldnt mean less funding. i gave you a very over the top example with lots of injuries so you understand better about why we think demilitarization should happen.

but its only extreme in the sense of calling in private mercenary to help.

keep in mind what i told you about new anti protesting bills and you can make a good guess these military tactics will be used again domestically if anyone stands up to corporation > people mentality as persistently as the natives did.

hopefully you get it

It's called appeal to extremes

Another bad logic choice you make is oversimplifying causes, which is why I'm having this back and forth with you. It's not about the X therefore Y, it's about finding an equation that gets anywhere. Yelling at the wall about protesters getting hurt by the police, and bernie not wanting them having tanks, does in no way support a negation to my opinion that a team of he and AOC could result in a police state (which I said was unlikely, along with the argument that the far right will lead to a fascist state)

I still don't see why you think you have a high ground to talk to me with such bravado. I think you spend too much time speaking in echochambers at your protest meetings.

To your next post, the el something one, not going back to find it but el c... something. I've since been trying to find evidence to support your claim for you since you can't, and there isn't much useful. Since you aren't interested in backing your claims, I'll admit defeat to myself on behalf of you that local police don't need tanks.

Otherwise you've made 0 logical sense, and in no way have been throwing great knowledge to myself or any other people reading. There isn't a version of a modern democracy where corporations aren't in bed to a great extent with government, and there will never be a world where they won't find a way to get what they want. Your protest have not done a thing to combat that (don't go on some stupid rant about social issues and get off topic)

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well i thought it was pretty obvious that trump has had moments and streaks of leading us towards fascism and that you meant bernie & aoc would likely have a good shot as well. you didn't specify that you thought it was unlikely lol you made the statement directly after saying they sound like an awful pair, thats the only reason i decided to explain to you why it wasn't likely

fuckin asshole

what about el cajon? the bean bags, the military stands? the attack during the vigil?

as far as the end, im not interested in your generalized negativity towards progress in america. im sure you're just as clueless about the positive momentum any economic or social campaign has on the ground, plus that entire sentiment is worthless anyways

[~RustyGunZ~]

https://www.npr.org/2018/10/26/661136990/whats-changed-and-what-hasnt-when-it-comes-to-the-flint-water-crisis

Even useful protest only temporarily change anything. But that's getting off topic tbh. My original statement was that those two as a pair is as bad as trump for different reasons, I didn't say neither were likely in there but did pretty sure into the conversation and have brought it up more than once.

And the attack on the vigil, I did a quick search but just found an article about police watching the vigil. You can show me that if you want but I'm otherwise not interested. I'm not blind to anything you seem to think I am, I just am not blind to the fact you can't change that dilemma. are bean bags and cages military equipment? if not how does bernie not wanting local police forces to have teargas and tanks in regards to left leaning social protest any sort of indicator he wouldn't use the actual military to enforce a police state? Let's move on to that if you want to redeem your ability to debate a stance. We can leave the protest thing at neither of us think people shouldn't be able to protest, and neither of us think it's good for people to get hurt doing so and we just think the skirting the line is worse on one side of the other of the line. Fair?

Now tell me how an AOC related duo pushing a socialist agenda wouldn't result in such a thing in as likely a case as Trump making the US a fascist regime.

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Fair lol not even close. My entire effort has gone into helping you understand that the aggression is much more significant on the side of the police. If we can't agree that police departments in 5 different states collaborating with private mercenaries to keep peaceful protesters under surveillance for an extended period of time, injuring 300 of them, and forcing charges onto hundreds with such little evidence that 95% of the cases were thrown out isn't WORSE than blocking a walkway or throwing a bottle I can't go on.

[Immolate]

im really poppin u white suburban kids need to stop CAPin

[Immolate]

x

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all imma say is that i always knew overflow was the manlier of ya 3 boy crew.

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Were all just gonna pretend that bernie vid i posted wasnt excellence tho i get it.

[~RustyGunZ~]

Fair lol not even close. My entire effort has gone into helping you understand that the aggression is much more significant on the side of the police. If we can't agree that police departments in 5 different states collaborating with private mercenaries to keep peaceful protesters under surveillance for an extended period of time, injuring 300 of them, and forcing charges onto hundreds with such little evidence that 95% of the cases were thrown out isn't WORSE than blocking a walkway or throwing a bottle I can't go on.

Again, appeals to extremes.

I’m saying something that represents the majority of cases. We have a handful a season here, none are useful. There’s of course going to be big ones that could possibly at least do some slight good, and those televised ones are handled poorly. But that’s just reality. Move on to the new question.

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Knuck every time I try to give you the benefit of the doubt, you say some uber dumb shit.

[~RustyGunZ~]

Knuck every time I try to give you the benefit of the doubt, you say some uber dumb shit.

Like what?

Nothing I’ve said isn’t logical. You might not agree with it, but calling anything I’ve said inherently dumb makes you a doofus.

[~RustyGunZ~]

Were all just gonna pretend that bernie vid i posted wasnt excellence tho i get it.

Didn’t have a chance to watch it sorry

[~RustyGunZ~]

boof