ay bernie completely torched this fox news townhall i'm in disbelief

[boof]

how could fox even let this happen? he straight roasted the hosts & had full crowd support and participation while calling Trump a pathological liar and stating he's taking on the military industrial complex on LIVE FOX NEWS TELEVISION.


i legit feared for his life during this thing this dudes energy is at an all time high somehow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4ozAACcc8I

[veritas]

how could fox even let this happen? he straight roasted the hosts & had full crowd support and participation while calling Trump a pathological liar and stating he's taking on the military industrial complex on LIVE FOX NEWS TELEVISION.


i legit feared for his life during this thing this dudes energy is at an all time high somehow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4ozAACcc8I

He owns four different million dollar homes. Don’t be fooled.

[Blas]

what a fucking legend, absolutely slapping these morons around

[Destroyer]

He’s been saying exactly the same shit since the 1980s
Fooled about what?

[boof]

you should watch the video v, he addresses his income

but to be clear, me & people like me are not mad at "wealth" we are mad at the ultra wealthy who dodge taxes, fund legislation to benefit their business', exploit workers, etc. bernie voted against the tax bill that cut taxes for the wealthy. if you fight for the people and for good moral things then we don't care

[~RustyGunZ~]

I was gonna make a thread asking you how you felt about this

He did extremely poorly. His good bits were targeted at people like you who already lean towards him/fully for him. He did nothing to earn moderate and undecided people.

[boof]

according to who?

[Immolate]

that's 1 way to look at it. another way is FOX just lost half its userbase to OAN (one america news). Trump roasted FOX today, but we already been saying they're sheep in wolves clothes for the past 6 months.

[Sharp]

He owns four different million dollar homes. Don’t be fooled.

Tbh, I don't like Bernie that much, but this argument against him bugs me, ignoring their values being closer to half a mil (though with DC prices, I'm sure his house there is worth more than it was in 2016)

One's his home in VT, ones a spot in DC, ones a vacation home somewhere?

The home in VT I get. The DC one isn't uncommon practice. With how long he's served it would be financially irresponsible to rent the whole time.

Considering the salary that he + his wife (who is/was some bigwig academic admin iirc) has, it makes sense they'd buy a vacation home. I know teachers, accountants, etc, who buy vacation homes.

He has actually laid out pretty specific stuff about how people like him would pay their share in his ideal world, more so than most polictians.


Video was cringy to me. Questioners were generally good, Bernie had some good answers that went on too long, but most of them felt like I was watching a 'greatest hits of 2016' vid, and the pundits asked some of the worst questions I could imagine. I get that they have an audience to appeal to, but it says a hell of a lot when the average shmuck from the Lehigh Valley is asking better questions than the professionals... But they're continually paid for such terrible work because enough people profit enough off of it

Thanks for rekindling my dark cloud mike

[boof]

nice i was literally typing out that exact explanation of the house situation and was like fuckit

his message in this and in general recently is really different from 16' imo. but i do think he brought up healthcare too often here, and failed to mention enough about low wages during the unemployment rate section, maybe my only critiques

honestly i'm just blown away at the balls he has to say 'your network isnt respected in my world but im here anyways' like jesus i almost spit my drink out

[Geno]

Ive never had negative feelings toward bernie. And perhaps i should do research and learn more about him. Im nowhere near as politically knowledgable as i should be and thats dissapointing when i think about it. Smh

[~RustyGunZ~]

according to who?

me

abortion til birth, snarky and run around talk about his taxes, wanting prisoners to vote (looool), and poorly presented his medicare plan. he gave as much insight into how we'd pay for that as trump did about his wall.

if I was going to vote left, I'd be voting for andrew yang at this point. unfortunately i can't participate in either primary so i'll wait til the end. i'll vote for bernie over trump personally but I know he didn't do well with a lot of people i know that could be swayed from trump.

i guess he has to fight for the left though cus you're all against eachother like a bunch of drooling doofuses though so what do i know

[boof]

you don't think prisoners should vote?

[~RustyGunZ~]

you don't think prisoners should vote?

i would support a system that allowed that as a right to low tier crimes. murderers, pedophiles and rapists should not be part of our society in a communal way.

[~RustyGunZ~]

but hey. the left supports sexualizing children if they identify as trans cus it's sO sTrOnG n BraVe and supports killing breathing living babies so I guess they don't mind those fellas.

[Destroyer]

No one supports killing living breathing babies, dumb ass

[Sharp]

DAMN RITE WHY DON'T HE JUST SEND 52% OF HIS MONEY TO THE GOVERNMENT GOT EMMM

Trash tier for even gotcha journalism. Reminded me of that segment on Parks and Rec, but dragged out forever... Then trying to paint him as elitist with the special congress health care plan

Maybe I'm just seeing the same pitfalls? It seems like he's getting caught in the pitfall of owning the term socialism when he has to know he's not likely to get more support on that term. But I caught a lot of the old Bernie in watching most of it. Health care for all, wealthy paying their fair share, pandering to young, semi-educated without really talking about how he can make an appeal to the general public and to the other side of a compromise. Glad he replaced 'break up the big banks' with a bit about infrastructure. Tbh I don't think it's on him that I don't see much new material since most questions directed towards him, fox News or audience, are gonna be based on what's heavily known about him, which is all the 2016 primary

[~RustyGunZ~]

No one supports killing living breathing babies, dumb ass

You’ve done 0 research into anything relating to abortion laws in the last year if you think that. Don’t call me a dumb ass because you aren’t educated on something that you feel must be fact if you’re pretty sure it is maybe. Prick.

[~RustyGunZ~]

DAMN RITE WHY DON'T HE JUST SEND 52% OF HIS MONEY TO THE GOVERNMENT GOT EMMM

Trash tier for even gotcha journalism. Reminded me of that segment on Parks and Rec, but dragged out forever... Then trying to paint him as elitist with the special congress health care plan

Maybe I'm just seeing the same pitfalls? It seems like he's getting caught in the pitfall of owning the term socialism when he has to know he's not likely to get more support on that term. But I caught a lot of the old Bernie in watching most of it. Health care for all, wealthy paying their fair share, pandering to young, semi-educated without really talking about how he can make an appeal to the general public and to the other side of a compromise. Glad he replaced 'break up the big banks' with a bit about infrastructure. Tbh I don't think it's on him that I don't see much new material since most questions directed towards him, fox News or audience, are gonna be based on what's heavily known about him, which is all the 2016 primary

shit tier moderating. should have asked him about the socialist in Venezuela. bret baier is a turd.

[Destroyer]

You’ve done 0 research into anything relating to abortion laws in the last year if you think that. Don’t call me a dumb ass because you aren’t educated on something that you feel must be fact if you’re pretty sure it is maybe. Prick.

Lmao
Point me to the “it’s ok to kill babies now because that’s totes abortion” law

[~RustyGunZ~]

Lmao
Point me to the “it’s ok to kill babies now because that’s totes abortion” law

I'm no longer helping netcees members become educated and useful members of society

Google it if you care. You don't and won't. You will continue to have views based on nothing, so there really isn't a point in wasting my time failing to convince you on one of those views.

[uh-oh]

honestly i'm just blown away at the balls he has to say 'your network isnt respected in my world but im here anyways' like jesus i almost spit my drink out
huh


Lmao
Point me to the “it’s ok to kill babies now because that’s totes abortion” lawnew york state made it legal to "abort" a baby up to, and after birth. the determination is made by doctors assessing the "health" of the mother. they broadened that definition from the mothers life being at risk, to all factors involved with "health". like mental/psychological health. so its basically a judgement call. virginia and other states are going the same direction if i remember right.

[uh-oh]

also to say no one supports it is kind of crazy, the only reason i know about it is because the left exploded with joy online over the decision. here is the governor of virginia talking about it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HB43tfyJdX4

but yo as for bern dog

its bernie lol. i don't like the majority of any of his policies. i caught a clip here and there and its like word. i seen something the other day about his taxes though and basically running for president alone made him a millionaire. which is funny to me. if you start a business and make good in america providing jobs and some sort of service to americans you're evil, but if you talk sweet to the under privileged and downtrodden while milking them of 20 bucks here and there you're a good guy.

i don't fault the bern dog of his wealth though.

[Sharp]

SO

Wth the abortions

Not the point of this thread that's Bernie's rambling and moderation that would make zelph respect bleak's work

But yeah

After the last time, I looked it up

https://www.factcheck.org/2019/02/addressing-new-yorks-new-abortion-law/

This sums it up more or less

-Abortions within 24 weeks
-After 24 weeks, abortions allowed if mother's health is threatened or the fetus is not viable (as determined by a doctor)
-moves abortions from criminal to health code, so penalties for doctors who perform them late would be medical board or whatever tf they have as opposed to criminal court


I think your average left of center likes the 'unviable' part and that the state cemented their own policy on abortion. Considering the Supreme Court is more likely than ever to overturn roe v Wade, I don't think it's the worst idea

[uh-oh]

SO

Wth the abortions

Not the point of this thread that's Bernie's rambling and moderation that would make zelph respect bleak's work

But yeah

After the last time, I looked it up

https://www.factcheck.org/2019/02/addressing-new-yorks-new-abortion-law/

This sums it up more or less

-Abortions within 24 weeks
-After 24 weeks, abortions allowed if mother's health is threatened or the fetus is not viable (as determined by a doctor)
-moves abortions from criminal to health code, so penalties for doctors who perform them late would be medical board or whatever tf they have as opposed to criminal court


I think your average left of center likes the 'unviable' part and that the state cemented their own policy on abortion. Considering the Supreme Court is more likely than ever to overturn roe v Wade, I don't think it's the worst ideauh
Roe v. Wade held that states may limit abortions after fetal viability, except in cases “necessary to preserve the life or health of the mother” (New York’s old law, which predated the decision, only allowed for late-term exceptions to protect the mother’s life.) Fetal viability was defined as being the point when a fetus was “potentially able to live outside the mother’s womb, albeit with artificial aid.”

New York’s new law does not explicitly define “health.”

In what is considered a companion case, Doe v. Bolton, the U.S. Supreme Court held that “medical judgment may be exercised in the light of all factors — physical, emotional, psychological, familial, and the woman’s age — relevant to the wellbeing of the patient. All these factors may relate to health. This allows the attending physician the room he needs to make his best medical judgment.”

[uh-oh]

also don't confuse this with me railing against abortion. i don't care if you brenda your baby in a dumpster months after it was born. i'd think you were a piece of shit, but i'd think you were weird for caring about what i think you do. you should just understand the laws that are passed and the wiggle room allotted in such cases

[Sharp]

Yeah, health of the mother

Would you prefer the state to have a definition of health? That sounds a little Orwellian to me

At the same time it becomes a medical code issue. I'm sure you'll have some doctors more likely than others to decide if abortion is the right decision for the mother's health, but if I understand it, this would be something they could lose licensure over

If you're gonna talk down to me at least post some sources

[uh-oh]

Yeah, health of the mother

Would you prefer the state to have a definition of health? That sounds a little Orwellian to me

At the same time it becomes a medical code issue. I'm sure you'll have some doctors more likely than others to decide if abortion is the right decision for the mother's health, but if I understand it, this would be something they could lose licensure over

If you're gonna talk down to me at least post some sources

that was from your link. not trying to talk down to you, just pointing out what was glossed over. the definition of health is loose, and left to human judgement.

im not for the state taking part in any aspect of anyones life for the most part. im simply pointing out what Des thought wasn't happening, since knuck didn't want to

[Sharp]

I understand the wiggle room (made sure to say 'health' and not 'life') but it seems like everyone against the bill thinks there's a mysterious dark entity pushing for more abortions

It struck me as the state wanting its own abortion laws on book in case the SC overturns it but I swear the people I see talking about it are acting like this is a massive win for the abortion lobby. The wiggle room is the result of abortions being taken out of criminal code. I think the big thing they wanted to avoid was the horror stories of women being forced to carry unviable pregnancies to term or go out of state (if they can afford to)

(no, the abortion lobby isn't a thing)

[~RustyGunZ~]

Read the actual act instead of an article by a pro choice news source. It’s online. From the official site. It removes any harm or death of a child inside the womb at any point from being a victim of any crime. It’s made infancide by nondoctors a possible business, removed protections for a child in womb from assault and made it up to the medical boards to determine the criteria. It also allows mental health to be a reason to abort a child that would survive outside the womb. You’re a legit piece of shit if you support that and that’s just the facts.

[Destroyer]

Pieces of shit support babies being born into hate and poverty
I’m glad that you, as a man who can never be pregnant, have such a strong view about how other humans should handle their own choices.
You can kill your child any time you want, knuck, just like I can
You’ll be thrown in jail, but you can do it. And then you will be forced to live with whatever consequences you face, mentally and judicially. And if you believe in a higher power, judged by said power as to your act. Why is that not enough when it comes to abortion?
Why is it ok to say “hey woman, we know you’re an actual living, breathing, feeling person who has their own perspective on life and people that care about you, but you need to die so that we can bring this other thing into the world that no one knows or cares about?”
When abortion is illegal, women die attempting to have one. For that reason alone, I’m for the right for them to choose. And the reason why I called you a dumb ass still stands. You can link every article about the shit, there’s not one where people are happy and excited to kill babies post-birth. The problem with abortion is it’s a personal choice, and everyone wants to offer their own opinion on it, which IMO, if you’re not a pregnant woman, means absolutely fuck all.

[Sharp]

You sent it to me

I read a decent enough chunk where I felt I understood it and found, what I thought, was a decent summary

I think it's just news outlets and policital entities riling up their audiences through semantics and how they frame it more than anything

[Immolate]

politics are for poor people

im actually working with a guy who ran for governor once. god i wish he wasnt so old. would run him again and run his campaign.

sjw fags can suck it, bernie won't ever win. Trump will win 2020 unless dems steal it with illegals voting and fake ballots. that's a fact

[veritas]

No one supports killing living breathing babies, dumb ass

Wrong.

[~RustyGunZ~]

Pieces of shit support babies being born into hate and poverty
I’m glad that you, as a man who can never be pregnant, have such a strong view about how other humans should handle their own choices.
You can kill your child any time you want, knuck, just like I can
You’ll be thrown in jail, but you can do it. And then you will be forced to live with whatever consequences you face, mentally and judicially. And if you believe in a higher power, judged by said power as to your act. Why is that not enough when it comes to abortion?
Why is it ok to say “hey woman, we know you’re an actual living, breathing, feeling person who has their own perspective on life and people that care about you, but you need to die so that we can bring this other thing into the world that no one knows or cares about?”
When abortion is illegal, women die attempting to have one. For that reason alone, I’m for the right for them to choose. And the reason why I called you a dumb ass still stands. You can link every article about the shit, there’s not one where people are happy and excited to kill babies post-birth. The problem with abortion is it’s a personal choice, and everyone wants to offer their own opinion on it, which IMO, if you’re not a pregnant woman, means absolutely fuck all.

This whole line of argument actually makes YOU the dumb ass. It is your OPINION that it's an issue of personal choice. Saying I can't have an opinion because I can't be the main participant in an event, being pregnant here, is a non argument only DUMB ASSES would ever think to use in an actual conversation about conflicting ideas.

What in the actual fuck were you even trying to say with the whole we can kill our child, leave it to god shit? I'm not veritas you fucking shit brain I don't believe everyone should be judged by a higher power, and you don't go to jail for killing a baby in the womb so they aren't even slightly similar? Are you saying murderers and rapists shouldn't go to jail? Think about what you typed before you hit submit my guy you sound like an real life idiot with that shit.

To your point about saying it's okay to let a woman die instead of a baby is fucking stupid too. Only around a quarter of abortions are medical, and that includes ones that are about the baby not the mother. And if that's your issue, why can't these new laws keep the same criminal codes and simply make it okay for doctors to perform them later ONLY for physical medical risk (if you think mental health should be included you need to reformulate your argument, doesn't stand as is but def not with that)

But no, you back those extreme new laws because you don't give a shit about human life while preaching you do. You just want to be politically correct and left leaning. You cannot morally preach about the value of life if you're pro-choice.

NOW LETS MAKE SOME THINGS CLEAR DUMB ASS

1) I don't think abortion should be completely illegal, I think it was fine 2-3 years ago in most areas before this recent push for looser guidelines.

2) Even then, it was murder. That isn't up for debate. It's ending a life.

Don't put words in my mouth because you're used to talking to Judeo Christian boot lickers on facebook about this. It is ending a life, which politically I stand is sometimes justified. I do not believe banning anything works. I also don't care if it becomes completely illegal and women have to die with coat hangers in closets.

It comes down to one thing that no one wants to address. This wouldn't be an issue if we didn't raise women to be moral lacking sluts with no accountability. It's absolutely ridiculous people like you use 27% of abortions to justify the 73% that are people using it to avoid their lives being shit. It's a violent tool to further make it okay in our society for people to not be accountable for their actions. If you want to sleep around, deal with the consequences. If you die because of it, GOOD.

These places offering abortions at a cost people whose lifes would be changed because of it for the worse offer birth control. It's a complete lie to say it isn't accessible.

This can do so many levels but I've typed enough for now

Do what you will with that, dumb ass.

[Zaddy]

Looks like Trumps getting his walls after all

[Destroyer]

Lol @ this isn’t up for debate
I’m done conversing with you
If you don’t think abortion is ending a life is debatable, I have nothing to say because you clearly already know everything about everything

[~RustyGunZ~]

Lol @ this isn’t up for debate
I’m done conversing with you
If you don’t think abortion is ending a life is debatable, I have nothing to say because you clearly already know everything about everything

Prove it wrong, or be a little whiny baby about people having views that aren't yours. I say it's not up for debate because you can contradict two arguments for and against it with biology. So it's just an endless pit convo that doesn't end aside from maybe deciding on a point to call the "viable" part of the process that neither side actually agrees on. I wanted to move on to what I think is a more important piece of the issue, or an issue that affects this issue at least.

You've provided 0 evidence, or intellectual discussion to this topic so I could care less if you want to converse about it. If you want to change the tide and prove what you're saying to any extent that's cool. otherwise that's fine, no one is losing out on not hearing your completely opinion based horse shit.

[Destroyer]

It’s an endless convo because people don’t know all the answers
It’s unfortunate that they don’t have you there at all times to tell them what they are though.
Prove it? Yeah, give me five minutes to solve all of the universe’s greatest mysteries so I can win this internet argument.
You are below my level of intellect and not worth debating
This is a philosophical quandary and doesn’t have evidence

[Destroyer]

But just out of curiosity, how does all of these slutty harlots having abortions affect you personally, Knuck?

[~RustyGunZ~]

But just out of curiosity, how does all of these slutty harlots having abortions affect you personally, Knuck?

Doesn't, how does it affect you?

Surely since it doesn't you should have no opinion on this topic right?

Since you aren't a woman that can get pregnant, you can't speak AGAINST the ones who are pro-life? Right?

Gone @ I'm below you intellectually. You went to college to be a journo and couldn't even hack it to being a buzzfeed writer that got fired and told to learn to code. Go fuck yourself. It's no wonder a cuck that can't hack it in his field and doesn't embrace his creative mind cuz life is hard and buzy sides with a bunch of idiots that think accountability and logic is scary.

You're not even in the same realm of intellect as me you fucking cretin.

[Destroyer]

Word
Tell me how alpha you are now
Lmfao
You’ll always be a soul-less ginger

[~RustyGunZ~]

You're unbelievably boring to even hurl insults at. Spend less time on reddit and more time getting an actual career by 40.

[Destroyer]

Yeah I’m gonna ignore the career advice from the guy who told me to work for buzz feed
Thanks tho
When I need advice on how to hold down an office job with an Ithaca degree, I’ll holla

[~RustyGunZ~]

Yeah I’m gonna ignore the career advice from the guy who told me to work for buzz feed
Thanks tho
When I need advice on how to hold down an office job with an Ithaca degree, I’ll holla

I literally had a job above yours in retail when I was 23

So if you need advice legit holla

[Destroyer]

Oh yeah, you were a district manager at 23?
Let’s hear this tale...

[Destroyer]

I had a fat wife at age 12. Get at me

[~RustyGunZ~]

I had a fat wife at age 12. Get at me

my girl when I was 12 was flat chested with man arms haha that's so weird!

puberty was a wild time for her

[Destroyer]

I mean we can throw up recent wife pics if need be

[~RustyGunZ~]

Oh yeah, you were a district manager at 23?
Let’s hear this tale...

big props thought you were interviewing for a store manager, which i was at 23

I skipped DM and went to auditor for the last job I worked, it made me want to drive my car into a lake every day

[~RustyGunZ~]

I mean we can throw up recent wife pics if need be

I'm not a teenager so doesn't sound like an appealing pissing contest to have with you as a distraction from looking like a mindless turd in an actual conversation

[Destroyer]

I was interviewing a year ago, got it
Got transferred to the highest volume store the 15th
Have had two un asked for raises which leads me to believe I’m getting fucked on pay
But whatayagonnnado?

[~RustyGunZ~]

I was interviewing a year ago, got it
Got transferred to the highest volume store the 15th
Have had two un asked for raises which leads me to believe I’m getting fucked on pay
But whatayagonnnado?

pretty sure a lot of places are getting hit with really fast growing bumps in pay due to labor laws so they're probably trying to keep up

if you think youre getting fucked on pay take a look at your female peers pays. I was getting over 10k more with less experience. pretty gross.

[Destroyer]

Yeah that shit is rampant and fucked
I’m just trying to get to the point where my wife can be a stay at home mom

[~RustyGunZ~]

word

you should stop looking at her and other women as objects used to measure your and other males success biologically and be a part of the positive push towards a solution to kill that level of dominating misogyny my guy

[Destroyer]

Lmao
I’m a libtard bro
You’re preaching to the choir
I want her to be a stay at home mom because parenting is hard and in my days off I have to do the shit

[~RustyGunZ~]

Lmao
I’m a libtard bro
You’re preaching to the choir
I want her to be a stay at home mom because parenting is hard and in my days off I have to do the shit

That’s cool. Now stop entertaining conversations around her being used as a benchmark for your biological success. It belittles her existence and makes you look like a schoolyard pencil dick.

[Destroyer]

Can you reword that into words that make sense in the context of this conversation?

[Destroyer]

Or just post up a pic of your fat wife
Either way
Either way’s fine

[~RustyGunZ~]

Can you reword that into words that make sense in the context of this conversation?

I'll try but I've just an Ithaca degree and am far below your mid-western high IQ haven intellect

We were talking about a social debate. In this conversation I presented evidence and logic and you simply stated your opinions. When this didn't work for you, you got angry and started making it about how I thought I was sooo smart and I know everything oh man knuck knows everything guys. This is what a child would do in this situation. You then went on to insult me personally, and subconsciously admitted defeat to a one to one comparison involving you and I by insulting my wife for no reason. When I gave it back in the same format to show how dumb you looked for saying it, you wanted to pit your wife against mine. You can preach to the choir about womens rights all you want, but your ACTIONS show you consider them to be tools used to benchmark male success. If you want to be a "libtard" this is a learning lesson on how to not be a toxic male. If you would like you can "okay m'lady" me and try to insinuate I'm an alt-right parallel person like you have tried to before when I've made you sad. It would be a total power move man, very original. I suggest it.

Or just go maybe do an iota of research on one or two of your politic "views" so next time someone pushes against them you don't have to "spend time doing research to win an internet debate" because you'll just know the evidence since your opinions will now be based on something aside from your personal idea of how you think the world does or should work :)

[Ghost1]

this has gotten out of hand

someone tag me when des wife's boobs arrive

[Destroyer]

Bro, I wish I cared enough about this to write paragraphs about how you fake intellectual prowess with ten-dollar words and simply, lies. You presented what evidence? Nothing. You claimed that abortion being murder is an un-debatable fact. That’s laughable. Why would I take anything you said following that seriously? I pointed out that you clearly know everything, not as a child would, but in a flippant, sarcastic way, actually implying and then clearly stating that if you truly believe that is an un-debatable fact, then you are a fucking dumb ass. Or a not exceptionally bright posterior end, to use your ten dollar Ithaca words lmfao

[Destroyer]

Go talk down to your fat wife if you truly can’t get past the need to feel intellectually superior.
You’ll find no quarter here

[~RustyGunZ~]

Word, so you're a loser. Presented multiple cases of evidence and logic and you hold on to the one thing I said that was indeed poorly worded. It is not an undeniable fact, but it is something which factually can't be proven yet to be true or false, so I didn't want to argue in circles about it.

Go ahead and grasp on to calling anything I saw ten-dollar words instead of debating them and being edgy and sarcastic to avoid having to face the fact your a mindless turd.

Now would you like to address the multiple other things I presented for my argument? Or does the English major with rock solid views not have the time to write 4 sentences of actual substance while typing low level thinker shitpost?

[Destroyer]

Well, it’s “you’re a mindless idiot,” for one
But, nah, I’m good. I’ve made my point. I’ll stick to be super way edgy man.

[~RustyGunZ~]

Go talk down to your fat wife if you truly can’t get past the need to feel intellectually superior.
You’ll find no quarter here

You're such a sour little faggot. You seriously can't insult me? You're that much of a stupid pussy?

I'm sure your wife is an ultimate intellectual too. That's why she married a man twice her age that dresses like comic book characters for fun and sold flip phones for 20 years to eventually be an underpaid middle manager at almost 40. I bet you have very smart conversations that involve deep "yeah totallys".

[Diode]

You’ve done 0 research into anything relating to abortion laws in the last year if you think that. Don’t call me a dumb ass because you aren’t educated on something that you feel must be fact if you’re pretty sure it is maybe. Prick.

Hi, someone who has, here.

Late term abortions are federally illegal under Roe v. Wade except in instances where the child will not survive birth, will die immediately following birth, or there is certain risk to the life of the mother and/or child as a result of childbirth.

This has been the case since 1973. It has suddenly become a talking point in 2019 because some states have codified this language in their State Constitutions and/or via adjacent legislation as means to keep it protected under the assumption Trump's right-leaning USSC will overturn Roe.

Mouthbreathing assclowns like Glenn Beck and friends have decided to spin this into "LIBRUL STATES WANNA KILL FULL TERM BABIES" because that is the world we live in now.

I'm sorry you took the bait, though I also fully realize you don't believe in abortion under any circumstances anyway, so why is this any different than the way it's always been for you?

[~RustyGunZ~]

Well, it’s “you’re a mindless idiot,” for one
But, nah, I’m good. I’ve made my point. I’ll stick to be super way edgy man.

Thought so

Have fun being a loser your whole life, come back to me when your young wife leaves you for a superior male so we can talk without you trying to insult mine since you'll have no benchmark. Then we can just see you type word vomit and cry with even less gusto.

Maybe buzzfeed will take your application by then.

[Diode]

huh


new york state made it legal to "abort" a baby up to, and after birth. the determination is made by doctors assessing the "health" of the mother. they broadened that definition from the mothers life being at risk, to all factors involved with "health". like mental/psychological health. so its basically a judgement call. virginia and other states are going the same direction if i remember right.

this is the spun version of things and not the intent of the law. further, attempt to use loose language to allow late term abortions due to things like mental health would be blocked in the courts as Roe takes precedent.

[Diode]

oh cool you nerds already got into a tizzy about this n/m

[~RustyGunZ~]

Hi, someone who has, here.

Late term abortions are federally illegal under Roe v. Wade except in instances where the child will not survive birth, will die immediately following birth, or there is certain risk to the life of the mother and/or child as a result of childbirth.

This has been the case since 1973. It has suddenly become a talking point in 2019 because some states have codified this language in their State Constitutions and/or via adjacent legislation as means to keep it protected under the assumption Trump's right-leaning USSC will overturn Roe.

Mouthbreathing assclowns like Glenn Beck and friends have decided to spin this into "LIBRUL STATES WANNA KILL FULL TERM BABIES" because that is the world we live in now.

I'm sorry you took the bait, though I also fully realize you don't believe in abortion under any circumstances anyway, so why is this any different than the way it's always been for you?

So weed is illegal in California now? If something is federal no state legislation is valid?

I think all abortion is murder. I don't believe any should be illegal because banning things with a dominate hold on a culture never work. I think we have bigger fish to fry as a society. That doesn't mean I can't have an opinion on it and debate mouth breathing liberals that would have been red car mechanics if they lived two towns over.

I simply stated in this thread that Bernies platform supports these late term abortions, and that it isn't going to win him undecided voters. Des took that and called me a dumb ass, and then continued to make non arguments with me because he thinks he is all knowing but totally doesn't care he just like, is in the know. super smart guy.

So, my ARGUMENT is that Bernie using that as a talking point when he knows it won't help him win undecided and current Trump voters (whole point of using fox as a platform??) just shows how fractured the left is atm. He made a bunch of points to win over some leftist that aren't currently in his favor while doing nothing to win over people that will actually help the left win the big picture. Just my opinion. This only turned into what it did because I challenged destro on actually having a useful thought and he failed like he usually does. Now he's just going to insult my wife instead of me because he's a cheap shot loser with no value to give society.

[~RustyGunZ~]

this is the spun version of things and not the intent of the law. further, attempt to use loose language to allow late term abortions due to things like mental health would be blocked in the courts as Roe takes precedent.

Definitely not the intent of the law, but they made no effort to tighten the wording in a way that would have made perfect sense for their intent. Have you read the official passed article in NY?

[Destroyer]

Hey go say a prayer knuckleball.
Maybe jebus will make your wife skinny and make abortions impossible to occur ever, even the spontaneous ones that literally happen all the fucking time. Oh, but it’s all murder cause I’m a fucking fat ginger with a neck beard who wears flatbrims
Fuck entirely off

[Diode]

So weed is illegal in California now? If something is federal no state legislation is valid?

I think all abortion is murder. I don't believe any should be illegal because banning things with a dominate hold on a culture never work. I think we have bigger fish to fry as a society. That doesn't mean I can't have an opinion on it and debate mouth breathing liberals that would have been red car mechanics if they lived two towns over.

I simply stated in this thread that Bernies platform supports these late term abortions, and that it isn't going to win him undecided voters. Des took that and called me a dumb ass, and then continued to make non arguments with me because he thinks he is all knowing but totally doesn't care he just like, is in the know. super smart guy.

So, my ARGUMENT is that Bernie using that as a talking point when he knows it won't help him win undecided and current Trump voters (whole point of using fox as a platform??) just shows how fractured the left is atm. He made a bunch of points to win over some leftist that aren't currently in his favor while doing nothing to win over people that will actually help the left win the big picture. Just my opinion. This only turned into what it did because I challenged destro on actually having a useful thought and he failed like he usually does. Now he's just going to insult my wife instead of me because he's a cheap shot loser with no value to give society.

Marijuana remains Schedule 1 at the federal level and is federally illegal to own, possess, distribute, manufacture, etc. in all 50 states. State laws and federal laws come into conflict frequently. The willingness to bring those laws to trial is what decides whether or not something remains in conflict. For marijuana, the DOJ has erred on the side of not challenging the states but rather prosecuting individuals.

For late term abortions, you can bet your ass a mother trying to leverage loose language to abort for any reason other than what Roe set precedent for would have an army of lawyers descend upon the statehouse faster than she could take a breath.

I never told you that you couldn't have an opinion (hence stating that none of this argument even makes sense since morally you are opposed to all abortions). And I simply pointed out that no state legislator intended for a protective state law to be misconstrued to legalize all late term abortions. Unfortunately, the sqwakboxes on the right chose to spin it that way.

You and Des and Bern and Boof are its own thing and I ain't touching it.

[Diode]

Definitely not the intent of the law, but they made no effort to tighten the wording in a way that would have made perfect sense for their intent. Have you read the official passed article in NY?

Yes. Legislation is about negotiation. Sometimes leaving language on the looser end of things is the only way to get it passed and the chips fall where they may when challenges come.

Better to pass it and deal with suits/appeals than pass nothing and have zero protections in place. Kind of the like what happened with the Violence Against Women Act expiring.

[~RustyGunZ~]

Hey go say a prayer knuckleball.
Maybe jebus will make your wife skinny and make abortions impossible to occur ever, even the spontaneous ones that literally happen all the fucking time. Oh, but it’s all murder cause I’m a fucking fat ginger with a neck beard who wears flatbrims
Fuck entirely off

You insult in the disc worse than you do in text battles

Evidence A) my most recent post a recent pic clearly has be wearing a curved brim, and any photo of a flat brim on my head predates this URL

B) Said picture and all before also show no sign of neck beard. I am fat so it maybe be hard to distinguish where things begin.

C) This entire thread I’ve said I don’t care if abortions happen, but that they are simply murder. It’s clear you have the reading comprehension of a piece of poop. I don’t know why you don’t want to work for buzzfeed it seems just your speed. They use a lot of gifs.

D)I’ve never stated any affiliation to any religion, in fact have spoke out against it. Are you slow or dumb?

Go make a sacrifice to Satan and spaghetti monster. Maybe he’ll make your wife look like she’s not a freshly post op boy with a face meant for the transformation all along who will abort all of your babies for you two to throw around like footballs. Oh but it’s not murder because it was her choice and I’m an average thinking and looking white guy from the Midwest with no actually personality outside of others personality’s I cling too

[~RustyGunZ~]

Yes. Legislation is about negotiation. Sometimes leaving language on the looser end of things is the only way to get it passed and the chips fall where they may when challenges come.

Better to pass it and deal with suits/appeals than pass nothing and have zero protections in place. Kind of the like what happened with the Violence Against Women Act expiring.

Fair. Just seems illogical to worry about if you and others with this outlook give federal law enough power to say it’ll stop the loopholes from happening but you left loopholes for a fight against a law that by that logic you cannot fight anyway.

[~RustyGunZ~]

Amen I said fair in a post wanna chime in to support des and call me Veritas lite?

[Immolate]

if ya aint a republican than go sit on a dick

lowest black unemployment rate EVER RN under fucking Trump. lowest fucking illegal unemployment rate too

dems are a bunch of faggots. Dems were the ones who fought for slavery during the civil war, that's a fact. all they say is "uhhh muh party switch"

eat dicks nigga. small gov for life

[Immolate]

worst republican was Ronald Regan. gave amnesty to 30 million illegals if we count their family. turned my great fucking state of California to some illegal immigrant harbor

that nigga was democrat. we call em RHINOs. Rebublican Only In Name

[Diode]

Fair. Just seems illogical to worry about if you and others with this outlook give federal law enough power to say it’ll stop the loopholes from happening but you left loopholes for a fight against a law that by that logic you cannot fight anyway.

You're correct.

Welcome to politics.

[Immolate]

fuck 12, fuck all illegals coming over and killing my lil girl cousins for bein black. fuck all SJWs who ignore that and say 'hey come over!'

and fuck Pelosi for getting pissed when our great president said 'fine let's dump the illegals in your faggot sanctuary cities'....oh now she mad.

[~RustyGunZ~]

You're correct.

Welcome to politics.

Okay. I don’t appreciate the tone implying this will show me the woke concept of how politics work. If you’re okay with just shrugging your shoulders at things that’s cool. I’ll remain a person that thinks deeper than that.

[~RustyGunZ~]

Also that WAS politics. The culture war has killed due process and compromise. So actually I disagree.

[Diode]

Okay. I don’t appreciate the tone implying this will show me the woke concept of how politics work. If you’re okay with just shrugging your shoulders at things that’s cool. I’ll remain a person that thinks deeper than that.

There's nothing woke about it. Politics (particularly post-Citizens United American politics) is a war of attrition and logic is rarely involved in legislation, adjudication, or execution of anything. It's the ultimate stage of "fuck you, i got mine" and "what have you done for me lately?"

Which is why I decided to forgo using my degree on that stage. A lot of it still carries plenty of value in sales, though. Just a smaller stage is all.

[Diode]

Also that WAS politics. The culture war has killed due process and compromise. So actually I disagree.

I'm referring to intra-party politics above. Correct in there is no compromise between rival parties in 2019. Captain Rhetoric and Turtleface made sure of that, though you could go back to Newt easily if you're looking for where the turn really started.

[Amen]

Amen I said fair in a post wanna chime in to support des and call me Veritas lite?

No thanks.

I’ve spoken my piece on the topic, no need to bring it up again.

[Destroyer]

Where’s the H come from then?
You ignorant waste of space
You’re why I’m for abortion Immolate

[Destroyer]

Knuck, that was horrible
I’m playing football with my abortions?
Come on, man. You’re better than this.

[~RustyGunZ~]

Knuck, that was horrible
I’m playing football with my abortions?
Come on, man. You’re better than this.

I made the joke in a flippant, sarcastic way, actually implying and then clearly stating that if you truly believe that your post it was in response to was worth the bandwidth, then you are a fucking dumb ass

[Destroyer]

See, that was way better
Likely because it’s a mirror of an earlier one of my posts
But you see my point

[Destroyer]

Out of pure stupid, curiosity, what’s your view on the morning after pill?
Murder?

[~RustyGunZ~]

Out of pure stupid, curiosity, what’s your view on the morning after pill?
Murder?

It’s super ineffective and expensive. Not murder, I’m not religious about the act of sex making it the beginning of life. Hasn’t been enough time to do anything, and when it has the drug usually doesn’t work. Also most sexual encounters they’re used for aren’t going to stick without it anyhow. All around just a bad birth control.

[Destroyer]

So, what’s the exact cutoff point for you, that’s past sex, but before birth?

[Diode]

most sexual encounters they’re used for aren’t going to stick without it anyhow.

i am highly intrigued re: your perspective that "type" of sexual encounter has anything to do with the odds of fertilization (notwithstanding following ovulation cycles)?

[~RustyGunZ~]

i am highly intrigued re: your perspective that "type" of sexual encounter has anything to do with the odds of fertilization (notwithstanding following ovulation cycles)?

for one yes ovulation cycles, otherwise just the fact it's usually one nighters. most people aren't THAT fertile. if they're having sex enough for it to be likely the encounter it's used for would stick, it would seem way more logical to just be on a long term solution

[~RustyGunZ~]

So, what’s the exact cutoff point for you, that’s past sex, but before birth?

it takes 6 to 8 days for the process to stick in a way that makes it undeniably a potential life. it's more of a moral issue to me. the fact people can know they are carrying a potential life and end it to make theirs easier, while doing little to nothing to prevent the "tragedy" from happening at first. but that would be the cut off I consider to be backed by biological evidence. aboot a week after the boom boom. before then it's just Schrodinger's womb.

[Destroyer]

Word, so here’s another question: when someone throws a newborn into a dumpster to die or leaves them in a field to die, that’s better than abortion because the kid at least got to breathe outside for a few before it died?

[~RustyGunZ~]

In a shocking turn of events in morals, two bad things can coexist!!!

Maybe they didn’t teach common sense and basic logic when you went to college in the 80s

[~RustyGunZ~]

And once again, you fail to be able to think critically and after multiple attempts to get it through your small brain IM NOT ADVOCATING ABORTIONS BEING ILLEGAL YOU DUMB ASS.

[Destroyer]

So, it’s more logical to allow life to suffer than prevent it from ever existing, in the new post 80s college logic?

[Destroyer]

And once again, you fail to be able to think critically and after multiple attempts to get it through your small brain IM NOT ADVOCATING ABORTIONS BEING ILLEGAL YOU DUMB ASS.



Well, why not? You said it’s murder
In the new logic is murder cool now?

[~RustyGunZ~]

I would prefer any mother that would throw a baby in a dumpster kill themselves

I don’t think prioritizing either of the scenarios you want to contrast is a moral thing to do. Bad things exist, it might be a positive thing to not call things “lesser evils” and make them acceptable. Again, you nimwit, I don’t think abortion should be illegal. You can’t kill an idea. You can’t ban things central to a way of cultural life. Etc. Idk what point you think you’re making, but you’re not being zany or intellectual so if that’s your purpose of the last few strings of poop mouth it’s okay to swallow it.

Is swallowing murder?!

[~RustyGunZ~]

Well, why not? You said it’s murder
In the new logic is murder cool now?

As long as they can vote for the bern

[Destroyer]

Hey, you’re the guy who obviously isn’t even non-pussy enough to take your own belief to its conclusion. If you think abortion is murder, you should be for the outlawing of abortion entirely. If you don’t, you clearly have no true moral ground to stand on.

[Destroyer]

Which isn’t news to me either

[~RustyGunZ~]

Hey, you’re the guy who obviously isn’t even non-pussy enough to take your own belief to its conclusion. If you think abortion is murder, you should be for the outlawing of abortion entirely. If you don’t, you clearly have no true moral ground to stand on.

I think some murder is justified. Call it what you will.

[Destroyer]

I did

[~RustyGunZ~]

And you now understand that it’s your position as a pro-choice advocate?

[Destroyer]

We differ on the point of life beginning

[~RustyGunZ~]

We differ on the point of life beginning

I provided biological evidence of a realistic start to life. Where is yours?

Do we agree or differ on abortions being okay to save the physical life of the mother, in the event the fetus is dead, or will be physically deformed or ill and suffer outside of the womb? And that other abortions aren’t actually necessary with all of the modern birth controls?

[Real Spit]

politics are for poor people

im actually working with a guy who ran for governor once. god i wish he wasnt so old. would run him again and run his campaign.

sjw fags can suck it, bernie won't ever win. Trump will win 2020 unless dems steal it with illegals voting and fake ballots. that's a fact

MAGA

[Destroyer]

I provided biological evidence of a realistic start to life. Where is yours?

When one gets a job

[~RustyGunZ~]

When one gets a job

Laughable example

Finnydot

Evidence refuted

[~RustyGunZ~]

It's over. You got triggered and then owned. Checkmate.

[Destroyer]

Lol. How many times do I have to tell you, you’re not worth arguing with?
You’re coming from the viewpoint of “murder is bad except when I say it’s not”
We’re going to have to agree to disagree

[~RustyGunZ~]

Lol. How many times do I have to tell you, you’re not worth arguing with?
You’re coming from the viewpoint of “murder is bad except when I say it’s not”
We’re going to have to agree to disagree

>tiny mind

>cannot compute

>havent seen on buzzfeed

>exit

[~RustyGunZ~]

murder is bad when he says so dumb
elimination is okay when I say so v smart

[veritas]

Marijuana remains Schedule 1 at the federal level and is federally illegal to own, possess, distribute, manufacture, etc. in all 50 states. State laws and federal laws come into conflict frequently. The willingness to bring those laws to trial is what decides whether or not something remains in conflict. For marijuana, the DOJ has erred on the side of not challenging the states but rather prosecuting individuals.

For late term abortions, you can bet your ass a mother trying to leverage loose language to abort for any reason other than what Roe set precedent for would have an army of lawyers descend upon the statehouse faster than she could take a breath.

I never told you that you couldn't have an opinion (hence stating that none of this argument even makes sense since morally you are opposed to all abortions). And I simply pointed out that no state legislator intended for a protective state law to be misconstrued to legalize all late term abortions. Unfortunately, the sqwakboxes on the right chose to spin it that way.

You and Des and Bern and Boof are its own thing and I ain't touching it.

1. I respect the brown belt. However I must challenge your tone that your “research” is absolute on this. The more you speak the more you drift into political agenda/opinion Chris.

2. I don’t know if you can blame the right wing squak boxes for spinning, when that senator literally said he wanted the bill to allow the child to be born, and kept comfy while the mother and doctor decide whether to murder, I mean terminate it.


Fair?

[~RustyGunZ~]

Not sure who I agree with yet. Compelling arguments on both sides. Give me a few more posts each.

Roe v Wade and planned parenthood were created to control the population in black communities.

[Destroyer]

Here we go

[~RustyGunZ~]

Here we go

Here I go


You make no progress

How about “here I stay” for you?

[Destroyer]

Pretty clever, man
They teach you that at Ithaca?

[Diode]

1. I respect the brown belt. However I must challenge your tone that your “research” is absolute on this. The more you speak the more you drift into political agenda/opinion Chris.

2. I don’t know if you can blame the right wing squak boxes for spinning, when that senator literally said he wanted the bill to allow the child to be born, and kept comfy while the mother and doctor decide whether to murder, I mean terminate it.


Fair?

My "research" is objective fact. Read the minutes and transcripts related to the proposal of the legislation and the process of ratification.

And the Senator sponsoring that Bill did not literally say that. Wut? Lol

[uh-oh]

My "research" is objective fact. Read the minutes and transcripts related to the proposal of the legislation and the process of ratification.

And the Senator sponsoring that Bill did not literally say that. Wut? Lol

i assume he's referring to the dude in the video i posted

[~RustyGunZ~]

Pretty clever, man
They teach you that at Ithaca?

Where’d you go to school?

Any college here would land you a gig at buzzfeed at the least

[Destroyer]

I went to Indiana University

[~RustyGunZ~]

I went to Indiana University

And you can’t get a job in your field? Top 100 school for journos. You’re leaving something out. Surely a genius with such a prestigious degree could get a job with it?

[Destroyer]

Can you get a job that’s not being on my dick with an Ithaca degree?

[~RustyGunZ~]

Can you get a job that’s not being on my dick with an Ithaca degree?

As soon as you stop saying Ithaca degree sure

I surely didn’t bring up schooling first did I? Scheinberg might’ve came out of me for a second

[uh-oh]

can either of you too doof's explain why facebook is all of a sudden impossible to log in to?

i tried logging in for the first time in like 5 years and they want photo id as proof, and or have codes sent to 5 people on my friendslist which they then send me to verify its actually me

wtf?

[~RustyGunZ~]

Fb thinks you’re a Russian bot

[veritas]

My "research" is objective fact. Read the minutes and transcripts related to the proposal of the legislation and the process of ratification.

And the Senator sponsoring that Bill did not literally say that. Wut? Lol

You had a fair point on the looseness of the language. Everything else is agenda. And yes he literally did man. Literally. There is a video of it lol. Cmon man.

[veritas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xD8cPgcZ3E

1:27 please listen. This has nothing to die with spin. He literally said it. You saying it is spin is spin and you are now guilty of what you accuse others of.

I respect the brown belt, but not that sir.

May I get a fair?

[uh-oh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xD8cPgcZ3E

1:27 please listen. This has nothing to die with spin. He literally said it. You saying it is spin is spin and you are now guilty of what you accuse others of.

I respect the brown belt, but not that sir.

May I get a fair?

i posted the clip back before knuck and des had a bromance of personal attacks

it also was just the clip of the governor dude on the radio show. not a snippet cut for a catholic news network. not saying your vid is wrong, yet you leave an opening for the losing side to pivot.

tighten up your game my friend

[Immolate]

SJWs gonna ruin this country. Imagine if this generation of men tried to settle this country like our forefathers.

bitch ass niggas would be scared to kill a deer, let alone massacre an entire population

SJW prolly gonna say that's a good thing. jesus christ.

idk what yall talking about, just Vote Trump. and what's up with NY saying it's ok to kill a baby after it's born? fucking weirdos

[boof]

"yall scared to kill a deer yall scared to massacre an entire population" "whats up with killing a baby fucking weirdos"

[Immolate]

Where’s the H come from then?
You ignorant waste of space
You’re why I’m for abortion Immolate

what?

no one knows what you're talking about you baby murdering piece of shit

imagine going online and announcing you like to kill babies like it's something hot lmao

[Pharaohs Army]

Roe v Wade and planned parenthood were created to control the population in black communities.

I don't know if this is right but it doesn't sound bad to me.

[Pharaohs Army]

There was a lot of teen pregnancy regardless of color. So I don't think it was just for blacks.

[White LGI]

Bernie just another c a c trying to push bullshit into niggaz heads to make the black community feel loved by a rich c a c.....fuck Bernie

Trump has done more for race relations in America than any president since lincon...if anyone cares I'll elborate fully

[Pharaohs Army]

Bernie just another c a c trying to push bullshit into niggaz heads to make the black community feel loved by a rich c a c.....fuck Bernie

Trump has done more for race relations in America than any president since lincon...if anyone cares I'll elborate fully

That's quite a statement, so yeah, please elaborate fully.

[Pharaohs Army]

I'll wait.

[big baby]

imagine wanting me dead by liking baby life and arguing about it lmoa

[DMS]

That's quite a statement, so yeah, please elaborate fully.

id like to hear too

[Paytience]

No one supports killing living breathing babies, dumb ass

Someone hasn't been paying attention.

[Pharaohs Army]

Someone hasn't been paying attention.

Name 1 person who supports it

[Paytience]

Name 1 person who supports it
Here are 44 democrats who voted against the born alive bill:

Baldwin (D-WI)
Bennet (D-CO)
Blumenthal (D-CT)
Booker (D-NJ)
Brown (D-OH)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Cardin (D-MD)
Carper (D-DE)
Coons (D-DE)
Cortez Masto (D-NV)
Duckworth (D-IL)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Gillibrand (D-NY)
Harris (D-CA)
Hassan (D-NH)
Heinrich (D-NM)
Hirono (D-HI)
Kaine (D-VA)
King (I-ME)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Leahy (D-VT)
Markey (D-MA)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Merkley (D-OR)
Murphy (D-CT)
Murray (D-WA)
Peters (D-MI)
Reed (D-RI)
Rosen (D-NV)
Sanders (I-VT)
Schatz (D-HI)
Schumer (D-NY)
Shaheen (D-NH)
Sinema (D-AZ)
Smith (D-MN)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Tester (D-MT)
Udall (D-NM)
Van Hollen (D-MD)
Warner (D-VA)
Warren (D-MA)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Wyden (D-OR)

Ralph Northam Democrat, governer of Virginia:
“So in this particular example, if a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen,” he went on. “The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.”

[boof]

Paytience is right.

But let's be clear, this is about botched abortions. If a baby survives an abortion, the right thinks it should be saved regardless of what the mother wants, the left generally thinks that's still up to the mother and physician, obviously.

[Deluzion]

Dude is a fraud. Hillary Cheated him and he didn’t do shit

[Sharp]

The new born alive bill is oddly redundant with this bill in existence though https://www.congress.gov/bill/107th-congress/house-bill/2175/text

And afaik it's entire existence is political. Philly had the whole triple homicide from born alive abortions before this new bill and the doc was easily found guilty

The limited data on 'born alive' cases show literally 10s per decade in any state its available (granted, not much)

Language like boof saying 'the right thinks [the baby]' should be saved seems like the actual point of the born alive bill. Just politics and manipulation of rhetoric

[Sharp]

What are we talking about again

[bleak]

Ukrainegate?

[boof]

Dude is a fraud. Hillary Cheated him and he didn’t do shit

he was given 4 townhalls on national television, networks on both sides of hte spectrum, pulled the party platform to the left, pushed medicare for all to the national spotlight, forced amazon and disney to raise their minimum wage, currently has over one million volunteers as well as one million donors, he is now the front runner of the democratic party for voters under age 40, etc. etc.

what's hillary done since then?

now pretend he complained about getting cheated in the primary. media rips him apart. calls him crazy. dnc ostracizes him. his influence is cut in half if not completely. he's banished from running in the primary in 2020. etc.

he's not dumb

[boof]

man ukrainegate is garbage they are handing trump the election

[Sharp]

It's definitely a gamble, but might work out for the dems favor

They were never going to get that 43ish% to flip for any candidate that has a chance in the primary. They've definitely helped out his fundraising but I don't think they've lost votes (per se) just yet. Looks like a play for the 15% of the electorate that disapproves of Trump and impeachment. Considering their block probably won't budge, they're probably figuring they can shore up just enough from that middle ground to rebuild the blue wall by airing out everything they can, and worst case scenario, they have over a year to rebrand themselves if it really starts to backfire

Looking forward to the arguments of 'holding up the government' from people who were fine when it was Obama and 'Clinton got impeached for a bj' by people the Clintons have their space lasers trained to

[boof]

i mean they spent three years on russiagate despite it's never-ending failure, i doubt this will go away by november.

anyone that pays any attention to the story will see what they're accusing him of is basically what joe biden actually did on a much bigger scale seemingly for his own personal gain outside of politics.

and really all trump did from what we can tell is ask for cooperation from the president of ukraine with the attorney general in finding out what happened, which is a far cry from digging up dirt anyways, i mean what biden did is something that should be investigated.

kind of like the dnc emails that they avoided responsibility from by pointing to russians meddling. this is like a tireless routine the establishment dems go through because they're corrupt af and never take responsibility.

but i do agree what trump did is wrong, there is merit to it, but what kills me is how ridiculously trivial it is compared to giving saudi billions in weapons to perpetrate genocide, sending american troops to protect saudi oil fields, manufacturing war in iran, unconstitutionally detaining separating and mistreating migrants, etc. etc.

whole shit is dumb. but if it hurts biden i'm in

[uh-oh]

Boof is on point.

I'm on the fence with trump's middle east tactics tho, while on the one hand he should be tried for war crimes for our support of the Saudis annihilation of the Yemeni people, on the other I'm commending him for not going to war with Iran and firing those like Bolton who want nothing less than for us to go to war with Iran

The Saudi Arabia shit is despicable and I get there are larger geopolitical shit involved with us supporting them in general, Its just a shit situation inherited from Bush and later Obama. I'm not sure what the logical path there is

[Deluzion]

Trump wins by a landslide again.

[boof]

look its november and ukrainegate still going on

i find it surreal how they talk night and day about trumps quid pro quo but no one cares what the military funding he held up is even being used for (funding and training a neo nazi faction within the ukraine military)

bloomberg(or hillary) best case splits warren buttegeig numbers and bernie runs away with it after biden tanks in iowa and nh

and then

well bernie beats trump in every poll and bernie outperformed the polls by 5 points last time around so

thinks are lookin ok