God bless Alabama

[~RustyGunZ~]

What a brave state

[Ryno]

Speaking on the bill they’re about to pass? They’re beyond brave

[~RustyGunZ~]

Speaking on the bill they’re about to pass? They’re beyond brave

Yes

[Sharp]

Do you think they heard about roe v Wade yet?

[~RustyGunZ~]

Daddy Don is gonna take care of that

[Hush]

What a dick

[boof]

finally all these slutty little girls will understand accountability amirite seth?!

[~RustyGunZ~]

finally all these slutty little girls will understand accountability amirite seth?!

Preaaachh

[Sharp]

Actually, the women aren't punished for having an abortion in this law, but the only exception is life of the mother (rape/incest babies are to be carried to term)

[White LGI]

That's why I love the south...

[Pharaohs Army]

So seth you are in favor of forcing a rape victim to carry and give birth?

[Pharaohs Army]

Or a deformed incest kid

[~RustyGunZ~]

I'd prefer there was a rape clause

But I think it's a lesser evil than millions of unjust murders of innocent babies

As for the incest, this is Alabama we're talking about.. Don't want their numbers dwindling that much.

[Destroyer]

Fuck you and your bullshit alpha male, I think abortion is bad so I’m going to force my opinion on other people’s own bodily autonomy attitude
You’re a moron, Jesus is fake and I hope you get aborted through time travel

[Destroyer]

Better yet, I hope you have a daughter, move to Alabama and she gets impregnated by a rapist so we can all see how truly pro life you are

[Destroyer]

Let’s force people to donate their blood and organs to save lives while we’re at it because otherwise it’s murder, right, you fucking fascist?
And a ginger
There’s nothing worse. Literally

[~RustyGunZ~]

lmmaaoooooo jesus is fake, i'd survive the abortion, i would never move to alabama, and the donating blood and organs thing is the worst defense to this ever. legit double digit IQ response to this. learn to think critically.

[Destroyer]

Tell me how. Not doing it is causing death, right?
That’s murder. So why not mandate organ donations?
You can’t use organs from a fucking dead person if they didn’t give permission. You believe women have less bodily autonomy than dead people do?

[Destroyer]

I mean your post title implies belief in god, so realistically, I will already discount everything you say. Funny how you speak of double digit IQs yet profess belief in a higher power in your post title

[~RustyGunZ~]

Tell me how. Not doing it is causing death, right?
That’s murder. So why not mandate organ donations?
You can’t use organs from a fucking dead person if they didn’t give permission. You believe women have less bodily autonomy than dead people do?

This logic tree (very unintelligent one) is equivalent to the argument for universal healthcare

Do you support that?

[~RustyGunZ~]

I mean your post title implies belief in god, so realistically, I will already discount everything you say. Funny how you speak of double digit IQs yet profess belief in a higher power in your post title

It was more of a Merica thing

I see God and Jesus as Merica lore

[Destroyer]

What the fuck does that have to do with an individual’s right to their own bodily autonomy?

[Destroyer]

Tell me you believe an 11 year old rape victim should be forced to carry that baby to term

[~RustyGunZ~]

Tell me you believe an 11 year old rape victim should be forced to carry that baby to term

I think they just kept it out so it was extreme enough that when challenged they'll end up with something viable so not taking that to seriously

Why do you care about rape victims but not babies?

[Destroyer]

fetuses aren’t babies
To me, an 11 year-old is

[~RustyGunZ~]

What the fuck does that have to do with an individual’s right to their own bodily autonomy?

Because I need this, and you can provide without harm, you must give

I'm an organ donor and blood donor cus I'm a good person so maybe I'm not as heated about your argument as you are

[~RustyGunZ~]

fetuses aren’t babies
To me, an 11 year-old is

We won't agree on your first point ever so eh

[Destroyer]

You’re not mandated to be one
That’s the difference

[Destroyer]

We won't agree on your first point ever so eh

True, I suppose that’s why if you’re wife had a miscarriage that would effect you the same as if your son died tomorrow, right?

[~RustyGunZ~]

True, I suppose that’s why if you’re wife had a miscarriage that would effect you the same as if your son died tomorrow, right?

That’s a bit harsh and unnecessary argument

You pro choice folk are really filled with rage

My grandparent, parent, close friends etc would affect me different too guess we’ll string em up outside

[Destroyer]

I mean, why can’t you just engage with that argument?
You say it’s harsh, but is it false?
The crux of your argument is that it kills babies
I’m saying, no, it doesn’t, and I’m giving you a simple example that you can relate to in order to at least try to get you to look at how it maybe isn’t that black and white
In turn, you bring up some off the wall shit about stringing up grandparents. That’s not the subject here. It’s if fetuses are babies and if you think they are, then you must believe your feelings about the above hypothetical would remain identical. If you can concede that they would not, which it seems you have, then why is that?

[~RustyGunZ~]

You’re not mandated to be one
That’s the difference

I wouldn't care personally

And all political stances and laws/regulations should be based on my personal preferences because I'm special and important so bring it on man

[~RustyGunZ~]

I mean, why can’t you just engage with that argument?
You say it’s harsh, but is it false?
The crux of your argument is that it kills babies
I’m saying, no, it doesn’t, and I’m giving you a simple example that you can relate to in order to at least try to get you to look at how it maybe isn’t that black and white
In turn, you bring up some off the wall shit about stringing up grandparents. That’s not the subject here. It’s if fetuses are babies and if you think they are, then you must believe your feelings about the above hypothetical would remain identical. If you can concede that they would not, which it seems you have, then why is that?

It's a nonargument is the issue. You need to do better if you want that buzzfeed job.

Your situational dilemma holds no weight in this discussion. It would be different because of an emotional progression, not because one isn't a life.

Would it equally affect you if your toddler died as if you had another child and it died within days of being born?

Don't lie here Freud

[Destroyer]

I don’t know
I’d have to have that happen
What I have had happen is my wife miscarrying 6 weeks in
And while I was disappointed, I didn’t lose a child
because there was no child yet
Why you seem to think your feelings matter enough to rule over the future, and not even your own future, but someone else’s, really just blows my mind
If you think that babies are dying every time they are being aborted, what the hell are you doing to prevent this mass genocide from occurring besides spouting alpha male bullshit on the internet? You should be out there blowing up abortion clinics fighting for the unborn, pussy.

[~RustyGunZ~]

I don’t know
I’d have to have that happen
What I have had happen is my wife miscarrying 6 weeks in
And while I was disappointed, I didn’t lose a child
because there was no child yet
Why you seem to think your feelings matter enough to rule over the future, and not even your own future, but someone else’s, really just blows my mind
If you think that babies are dying every time they are being aborted, what the hell are you doing to prevent this mass genocide from occurring besides spouting alpha male bullshit on the internet? You should be out there blowing up abortion clinics fighting for the unborn, pussy.

You're an actual idiot. No wonder buzzfeed won't take you in.

Also, you're just maybe more cynical than me? A bigger piece of shit? Idk. I'm not disagreeing it would be different, but I am disagreeing that the miscarriage is nothing. My wife had one too, probably around then as well. It still affects me, since I value life and it's potential. You clearly don't. :shrugemoji:

And that's the difference between level headed people and morons like you, I don't think my feelings should dictate anything, I think general morals should. YOU think your feelings and opinions should dictate it. But, you also have maybe 2 original thoughts in the political realm so it's not that important a thing to discuss anyway.

[Blue Bayou]

Damn at Des just owning Seth in this thread

[~RustyGunZ~]

Damn at Des just owning Seth in this thread

By bringing up an argument that got shit on when the parameters were tilted the slightest and defaulting back to facebook vomit argument 7?

[~RustyGunZ~]

Destroyer why aren't you out there bombing the houses and workplaces of these lawmakers? Or at the very least your local republicans pushing these agendas? Why aren't you out there shooting protesters at planned parenthood in the head?!?!?!

PuSS yYY!!

[Blue Bayou]

By intellectually bitch slapping you across the lime since half way through the first page.. that's how

[Blue Bayou]

I think Seth is drunk

[~RustyGunZ~]

By intellectually bitch slapping you across the lime since half way through the first page.. that's how

How so? Literally nothing he's brought up is relevant. It's all appeals to extremes and safe space garbage.

[Destroyer]

I can let it affect me
I heard a heartbeat and then there wasn’t one
But that’s the whole fucking point, man
That happens at that stage all the fucking time and most people who get abortions are at that stage
The biggest proponents for the banning of abortion are the religious
Well, if one believes in God, certainly he is the biggest purveyor of abortion
So, what the absolute fuck?
Alabama, your brave state, is 50th in education. They care about kids though?
You’re a smart guy. How the fuck are you in favor of mandating that more ignorant uneducated fucking rednecks are forced to be brought into this world?

[bleak]

Always been my argument, why would we want more people? Overpopulation is a real problem on our planet in 2019

[~RustyGunZ~]

I can let it affect me
I heard a heartbeat and then there wasn’t one
But that’s the whole fucking point, man
That happens at that stage all the fucking time and most people who get abortions are at that stage
The biggest proponents for the banning of abortion are the religious
Well, if one believes in God, certainly he is the biggest purveyor of abortion
So, what the absolute fuck?
Alabama, your brave state, is 50th in education. They care about kids though?
You’re a smart guy. How the fuck are you in favor of mandating that more ignorant uneducated fucking rednecks are forced to be brought into this world?

We need soldiers

[~RustyGunZ~]

Always been my argument, why would we want more people? Overpopulation is a real problem on our planet in 2019

So you're for genocide?

[Blue Bayou]

A well articulated argument presented with sound logic and supported by facts
Destroyer

[Destroyer]

We need soldiers

Not infantry, bro

[Blue Bayou]

Always been my argument, why would we want more people? Overpopulation is a real problem on our planet in 2019

Agreed... I'm with Thanos

[~RustyGunZ~]

Not infantry, bro

Once we run out of resources to maintain our tech based society and go back to the stone ages we will need them

You don't get more indestructible than an inbred, barnyard abortion surviving, smokes the same brand cigarettes their mom did while they were in the womb since 6, beaten half to death by their drunk father 1000x, mountain dew blooded Alabamian

[Destroyer]

I think simply cloning uh-oh is a better and more viable option

[~RustyGunZ~]

I think simply cloning uh-oh is a better and more viable option

We aren't there yet. We won't be able to successfully clone to that efficiency in time to combat the Chinese already doing so. This is our best bet.

[~RustyGunZ~]

Agreed... I'm with Thanos

Then go kill half your family pussy

Just pretend they said your wordplay was forced

[Blue Bayou]

Then go kill half your family pussy

Just pretend they said your wordplay was forced

Geeze someone needs to get laid I see

[~RustyGunZ~]

Geeze someone needs to get laid I see

Just trying to give you some ideas, maybe some fresh personal approaches for our sudden death tie breaker

Lord (sorry Des) knows you need the help, a second round of swaying won't work in your favor

[boof]

seth basically ben shapiro but uglier

[Miss Netcees]

God bless you

[~RustyGunZ~]

https://media.giphy.com/media/3o6nUUfQOQ2KZ0OQww/giphy.gifseth basically ben shapiro but uglier

[~RustyGunZ~]

boof basically AOC but more feminine

[Blue Bayou]

Just trying to give you some ideas, maybe some fresh personal approaches for our sudden death tie breaker

Lord (sorry Des) knows you need the help, a second round of swaying won't work in your favor

I'm literally only writting cartoon animal gun bars for the rest of NC eternity...so I'm good fam

Let me know when you wanna cop this next L

[~RustyGunZ~]

I'm literally only writting cartoon animal gun bars for the rest of NC eternity...so I'm good fam

Let me know when you wanna cop this next L

*next tie but really a w before full cryou

[Blue Bayou]

Heads will tRoll

[Answer]

Overpopulation is a real problem on our planet in 2019

yes

So you're for genocide?

also yes

[~RustyGunZ~]

yes



also yes

criteria?

[Answer]

criteria?

idk we can start with people who bring a whole cart of groceries to the express lane and figure the rest out from there

[~RustyGunZ~]

idk we can start with people who bring a whole cart of groceries to the express lane and figure the rest out from there

so anyone that doesn't fit in your COOKIE CUTTER bureaucracy? no risk takers?

if we have a genocide they'll start with the blacks and the disabled so you're fucked

seems like a bad side to be on

[Answer]

so anyone that doesn't fit in your COOKIE CUTTER bureaucracy? no risk takers?

if we have a genocide they'll start with the blacks and the disabled so you're fucked

seems like a bad side to be on

Thing is I'm cool with going out under the right conditions because I understand the greater importance of preserving the species. You live in a world where you believe your life is more important than it is

[~RustyGunZ~]

Thing is I'm cool with going out under the right conditions because I understand the greater importance of preserving the species. You live in a world where you believe your life is more important than it is

I supported being bleed involuntarily for the greater good in this very thread

Idiot

[~RustyGunZ~]

But fr fr do uneducated folk still think overpopulation is a crisis?

lol

[bleak]

But fr fr do uneducated folk still think overpopulation is a crisis?

lol

Do you want to protect future generations?

[White LGI]

If I shot and kill my wife and she is pregnant...no matter how far along she is...if that baby dies I can be charged with double homocide in 46 states.....please tell me the difference in that and abortion

[Destroyer]

The weapon is the difference and the fact that you are making a choice about someone else’s body autonomy. Just like the old white men of Alabama are trying to do.
They know it’s unconstitutional and egregious
They hope Donnie’s cronies on the SC will overturn Roe V Wade
It’s writing law as posturing, and it’s sickening

[Geno]

You all have obviously never accidentally impregnated a chick before. And dont even sit there and act like you stictly one way if youve put on the shoes of a man expecting child from a chick he didnt mean to get pregnate. Lets see where your accountability and morals take you then. Lmao. Outside looking in ass niggas. Smh

[uh-oh]

THINGS PRESENTED IN THIS THREAD I AM FOR

AN ARMY OF UH-OH'S TO DEFEND OUR FREEDOM
RIGHTS TO AN ABORTION

THINGS PRESENTED IN THIS THREAD I DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT

WHAT ALABAMANS WANT

[uh-oh]

but yea, i disagree with abortion on a moral level and wouldn't be in favor of one even if i knocked up the worst person in the world. i'd take precautions tho and would plan b it if possible, but im of the "eh i pulled out we should be fine" camp.

i just don't understand why anyone who isn't in alabama cares about this.

the people of alabama want this. im sure there are alot of people who dont, but on the whole you vote on issues and elect representatives that espouse your views.

so move. or don't.

but if you ain't in alabama it literally doesn't concern you and your opinion means less than nothing

[Flow]

First of all Blue Bayou the Thanos bit slayed me

seth question, would you have been ok with the law being universal vasectomy procedures for all men after puberty?

This is a quick procedure
It would massively prevent unwanted pregnancies
It is a preventative measure as opposed to reactionary
It is reversible - so only those who are ready to have children need get it reversed
It protects innocent children an victims of rape from further anguish

I mean - it totally goes against human rights imo but so does what’s happened.

[Sharp]

I'm glad we can still count on abortion to keep us active

Maybe this is the secret to getting people involved in text Zunto

[Blue Bayou]

A boar shin like pumbaas leg

[i single]

I'm glad we can still count on abortion to keep us active

Maybe this is the secret to getting people involved in text Zunto

Wanderer set the battles

[Answer]

but yea, i disagree with abortion on a moral level and wouldn't be in favor of one even if i knocked up the worst person in the world. i'd take precautions tho and would plan b it if possible, but im of the "eh i pulled out we should be fine" camp.

i just don't understand why anyone who isn't in alabama cares about this.

the people of alabama want this. im sure there are alot of people who dont, but on the whole you vote on issues and elect representatives that espouse your views.

so move. or don't.

but if you ain't in alabama it literally doesn't concern you and your opinion means less than nothing

1) My wife & I moved to Alabama this year and voted in the midterms. Iirc, something like 20 out of the 26 eligible government positions had republicans running uncontested with no option to vote for a democratic candidate. Granted, I understand that the state as a whole is still overwhelmingly conservative, but it's an awful system that's rigged from the jump, and the ballots only scratch the surface of that topic. Most of the cities (Mobile, Birmingham, etc.) have large liberal populations that don't support this bill at all.

2) This bill matters to the entire country, because the entire purpose of passing it was so it would go to the supreme court with hopes of them overturning Roe v. Wade. Given that Trump has appointed 2 new pro-life justices out of the 9 total justices, 1 of those 2 which Obama was legally entitled to appoint, there's a better chance of that happening now. Doesn't mean it will, but states have already been enacting laws in anticipation of it being overturned.

[Sharp]

And the hot takes keep on coming

[Answer]

Look, I admit I'm fairly liberal on a lot of common issues. I'm also conservative on some issues, and there are plenty of lefties who don't consider me liberal enough. That being said, the 1 thing I don't understand how conservatives espouse "American values", but blatantly choose to ignore the fact that like Congress is like 78% straight white males, and by today's standards, that's progress. Can we acknowledge that it doesn't accurately represent the true diversity of the American people, and there's an absence of different perspectives in these conversations.

There's no reason why the majority of a ballot should only represent 1 party (Whether that be liberal, or republican). There's no reason why men should have an overwhelming majority in passing bills that strictly affect women. Laws are also purposely put into place to restrict voting from unfavorable demographics, that shit is flat out undemocratic. That shouldn't even be a partisan issue, no person who considers themselves an American should be supportive of us not embracing the democratic process. You should want as many constituents voting and being politically vocal as possible, even if they don't share your beliefs, because that's what democracy is. If your beliefs are better, they'll win out, and that's fine. But being okay with gerrymandering, voter suppression, & while we're at it - overall corporate lobbying, politicians being majority shareholders in large corporations just because it facilitates your belief system is unpatriotic.

[~RustyGunZ~]

First of all Blue Bayou the Thanos bit slayed me

seth question, would you have been ok with the law being universal vasectomy procedures for all men after puberty?

This is a quick procedure
It would massively prevent unwanted pregnancies
It is a preventative measure as opposed to reactionary
It is reversible - so only those who are ready to have children need get it reversed
It protects innocent children an victims of rape from further anguish

I mean - it totally goes against human rights imo but so does what’s happened.

This law isn’t forcing women to get their tubes tied. I don’t understand how people can be so bad at critical thinking and debating.

Unfortunately nature doesn’t have an equivalent procedure. To be fair and get a little away from the OP troll, I don’t believe the rape and incest should be left out like it was. So any abortion I’m against is by a healthy woman who chose to have sex. In this case I believe the mother should have to carry to term and the father be legally responsible under very strict regulations. For example, child support should be provided or jail time. No not paying it and getting away with it. Mandatory paternity test.

[White LGI]

Truth be told I don't give a fuck if the momma lives...kill that bitch to

[Flow]

This law isn’t forcing women to get their tubes tied. I don’t understand how people can be so bad at critical thinking and debating.

Unfortunately nature doesn’t have an equivalent procedure. To be fair and get a little away from the OP troll, I don’t believe the rape and incest should be left out like it was. So any abortion I’m against is by a healthy woman who chose to have sex. In this case I believe the mother should have to carry to term and the father be legally responsible under very strict regulations. For example, child support should be provided or jail time. No not paying it and getting away with it. Mandatory paternity test.

No it’s not - that is not reversible and incredibly more complex. My point is that it’s a preventative measure which is always desirable. Regardless though my issue mostly lied with the 10 percent rape pregnancies etc.

Although I still don’t agree - I dont think this argument can ever Be won by either Side. There is no defining majority on what’s constitutes life. However there probably is on a state by state basis, or closer anyway. So every state should have a vote. An if you don’t agree move to the other state. Then have a civil war.

[~RustyGunZ~]

No it’s not - that is not reversible and incredibly more complex. My point is that it’s a preventative measure which is always desirable. Regardless though my issue mostly lied with the 10 percent rape pregnancies etc.

Although I still don’t agree - I dont think this argument can ever Be won by either Side. There is no defining majority on what’s constitutes life. However there probably is on a state by state basis, or closer anyway. So every state should have a vote. An if you don’t agree move to the other state. Then have a civil war.

Abortion bills are about dealing the consequences of actions (again rape and incest should be included, this was a bad law) not dealing with precautions.

You’re saying to prevent unwanted pregnancies we should make people have a procedure by force that could be botched and result in them never having kids as a viable alternative to dealing with accountability. If you don’t see the obvious flaw in this argument I can’t help you, you’ll just always be a low level thinker

[Flow]

Abortion bills are about dealing the consequences of actions (again rape and incest should be included, this was a bad law) not dealing with precautions.

You’re saying to prevent unwanted pregnancies we should make people have a procedure by force that could be botched and result in them never having kids as a viable alternative to dealing with accountability. If you don’t see the obvious flaw in this argument I can’t help you, you’ll just always be a low level thinker

No I don’t think that’s what should be done lol - I think you lot should educate people more on contraceptives and make them more available and then get on with your life not meddle with peoples private business. But that’s me.

I’m simply saying if it’s acceptable to remove autonomy over ones own body then a more rational measure is one that looks to prevention not reaction. Also vasectomys are low risk in that regard and less traumatically and quicker. They also can be reversed.

[~RustyGunZ~]

No I don’t think that’s what should be done lol - I think you lot should educate people more on contraceptives and make them more available and then get on with your life not meddle with peoples private business. But that’s me.

I’m simply saying if it’s acceptable to remove autonomy over ones own body then a more rational measure is one that looks to prevention not reaction. Also vasectomys are low risk in that regard and less traumatically and quicker. They also can be reversed.

They can sometimes be reversed. This is about accountability. They gave up their right to their autonomy by their actions. Kids get girls pregnant. So we do the vasectomy when boys are 13? 10? As soon as they hit puberty? Instead of holding people accountable?

[Flow]

They can sometimes be reversed. This is about accountability. They gave up their right to their autonomy by their actions. Kids get girls pregnant. So we do the vasectomy when boys are 13? 10? As soon as they hit puberty? Instead of holding people accountable?

There are many ways of holding someone accountable that don’t require out right blanket bans on abortions though surely? An also why should a women at 9 weeks pregnant have to keep said child because someone else’s considers it a small such. I have two children an don’t consider that’s life, or no more then I do a germinated seedling. If I ripped it out at 9 weeks it wouldn’t be anything but blood and fluids. It’s potential to me is time travel, hearsay, hyperthetifal but mostly pointless. In its present it is nothing but potential.

Now that’s my opinion? But why should I have my rights taken away because ignorance your different opinion? I agree to you having one, but it shouldn’t interfere with my autonomy over my body?

[Inno]

Fuck you and your bullshit alpha male, I think abortion is bad so I’m going to force my opinion on other people’s own bodily autonomy attitude
You’re a moron, Jesus is fake and I hope you get aborted through time travel

This right here. LMFAO!

[GUDELJ]

There are many ways of holding someone accountable that don’t require out right blanket bans on abortions though surely? An also why should a women at 9 weeks pregnant have to keep said child because someone else’s considers it a small such. I have two children an don’t consider that’s life, or no more then I do a germinated seedling. If I ripped it out at 9 weeks it wouldn’t be anything but blood and fluids. It’s potential to me is time travel, hearsay, hyperthetifal but mostly pointless. In its present it is nothing but potential.

Now that’s my opinion? But why should I have my rights taken away because ignorance your different opinion? I agree to you having one, but it shouldn’t interfere with my autonomy over my body?

Maybe it’s just me

Butnif you don’t live in America then you shouldn’t have a say or opinion on American issues

[Flow]

Maybe it’s just me

Butnif you don’t live in America then you shouldn’t have a say or opinion on American issues

1. Abortion isn’t some American only issue
2. We are debating human rights specifically around autonomy of ones body - Americans really shouldn’t have any say on these things, you should all still be on collective time out cus of the whole red indian and slave trade mishaps

[~RustyGunZ~]

There are many ways of holding someone accountable that don’t require out right blanket bans on abortions though surely? An also why should a women at 9 weeks pregnant have to keep said child because someone else’s considers it a small such. I have two children an don’t consider that’s life, or no more then I do a germinated seedling. If I ripped it out at 9 weeks it wouldn’t be anything but blood and fluids. It’s potential to me is time travel, hearsay, hyperthetifal but mostly pointless. In its present it is nothing but potential.

Now that’s my opinion? But why should I have my rights taken away because ignorance your different opinion? I agree to you having one, but it shouldn’t interfere with my autonomy over my body?

So no one has a right to tell anyone what to do with their body in any situation?

[Flow]

So no one has a right to tell anyone what to do with their body in any situation?

Before I reply I’d like to add that ignorance was a typo - I wasn’t suggesting you were ignorant.

[Flow]

So no one has a right to tell anyone what to do with their body in any situation?

Do you have a specific example you plan to pincer me with

[Suthaveli]

Isn't someone here from Alabama?
If so, I'd luv to see their input.

There's always gray areas when trying to pass a law. While there are ones who agree w.whats being said & showing full support behind it, you run the huge risk of the ones who'll be outraged by the sheer audacity to even dictate what one should do w. their own body.
Nonetheless, man having say on woman carry & creation, to me A lot of this displays southerners mentality.

Could get deep into this, but I don't really care to debate.

[~RustyGunZ~]

Isn't someone here from Alabama?
If so, I'd luv to see their input.

There's always gray areas when trying to pass a law. While there are ones who agree w.whats being said & showing full support behind it, you run the huge risk of the ones who'll be outraged by the sheer audacity to even dictate what one should do w. their own body.
Nonetheless, man having say on woman carry & creation, to me A lot of this displays southerners mentality.

Could get deep into this, but I don't really care to debate.

So woman should have no say in what a man does with his body as well?

[Flow]

So woman should have no say in what a man does with his body as well?

They don’t

[Flow]

Look, I admit I'm fairly liberal on a lot of common issues. I'm also conservative on some issues, and there are plenty of lefties who don't consider me liberal enough. That being said, the 1 thing I don't understand how conservatives espouse "American values", but blatantly choose to ignore the fact that like Congress is like 78% straight white males, and by today's standards, that's progress. Can we acknowledge that it doesn't accurately represent the true diversity of the American people, and there's an absence of different perspectives in these conversations.

There's no reason why the majority of a ballot should only represent 1 party (Whether that be liberal, or republican). There's no reason why men should have an overwhelming majority in passing bills that strictly affect women. Laws are also purposely put into place to restrict voting from unfavorable demographics, that shit is flat out undemocratic. That shouldn't even be a partisan issue, no person who considers themselves an American should be supportive of us not embracing the democratic process. You should want as many constituents voting and being politically vocal as possible, even if they don't share your beliefs, because that's what democracy is. If your beliefs are better, they'll win out, and that's fine. But being okay with gerrymandering, voter suppression, & while we're at it - overall corporate lobbying, politicians being majority shareholders in large corporations just because it facilitates your belief system is unpatriotic.

This flew under radar for me but just saw it and this was a solid read

[~RustyGunZ~]

They don’t

Why not?

[Amen]

Lol this thread.

If it wasn’t for abortions, I’d have a hell of a lot more kids.

Just saying.

[GUDELJ]

Lol this thread.

If it wasn’t for abortions, I’d have a hell of a lot more kids.

Just saying.

CASE CLOSED


Amen has spoken, close this fuckin apostrophe.

[Amen]

Do you legit, post, sign out, log back in just to post on a different account?

Little weird, man...

[Civil Rawr xD]

Stfu

[Witty]

Amen is the reason I am pro-abortion.

Jk I'm not really pro-abortion. Or anti for that matter. I have thought about it a lot and I can not come to a decision.

The thing is, this probably won't stop abortions happening, but it will make them much more dangerous.

[~RustyGunZ~]

Lol this thread.

If it wasn’t for abortions, I’d have a hell of a lot more kids.

Just saying.

I love how you edited in the second bit

Post wasn’t Amen enough

[~RustyGunZ~]

Amen is the reason I am pro-abortion.

Jk I'm not really pro-abortion. Or anti for that matter. I have thought about it a lot and I can not come to a decision.

The thing is, this probably won't stop abortions happening, but it will make them much more dangerous.

Prolifers should see them being dangerous as a win.

[uh-oh]

This website should be aborted

[Amen]

I love how you edited in the second bit

Post wasn’t Amen enough

Thanks for closely watching my posts.

Were you just sitting in here and refreshing for you to notice the literally 3 second change?

Hell of a life, my man.

[~RustyGunZ~]

Thanks for closely watching my posts.

Were you just sitting in here and refreshing for you to notice the literally 3 second change?

Hell of a life, my man.

I actually saw the original, scuffed at it and went on my way

Then saw it quoted with the added Amen flare

Pretending you’re something you’re not on Netcees. He’ll of a life.

[Destroyer]

Prolifers should see them being dangerous as a win.

BecUse fetal liFe iS tHe onLy ReaL liFe

[~RustyGunZ~]

BecUse fetal liFe iS tHe onLy ReaL liFe

Because all life is life and no ones is more valuable than another’s

Meme aside this is why you work at boost mobile and couldn’t get a job in journalism. You’re an actual moron.

[Suthaveli]

They don’t

seth

[~RustyGunZ~]

seth

I answered that already

[Suthaveli]

I answered that already

Ah ok.

Troll on then.

[~RustyGunZ~]

Ah ok.

Troll on then.

He doesn’t want to answer so since you’re woke on the subject clearly would you answer for him?

[boof]

Abortion bills are about dealing the consequences of actions

hahahaha

[Blue Bayou]

Des won

[boof]

freal tho if it wasn't for abortions i wouldn't be here

[boof]

but yea, i disagree with abortion on a moral level and wouldn't be in favor of one even if i knocked up the worst person in the world. i'd take precautions tho and would plan b it if possible, but im of the "eh i pulled out we should be fine" camp.

i just don't understand why anyone who isn't in alabama cares about this.

the people of alabama want this. im sure there are alot of people who dont, but on the whole you vote on issues and elect representatives that espouse your views.

so move. or don't.

but if you ain't in alabama it literally doesn't concern you and your opinion means less than nothing

it just happened in ohio and georgia and now missouri it's an orchestrated effort to overturn roe v wade that's why everyone cares about it

[Destroyer]

Hey Seth. I’ll always think you’re a dumb fucking ginger no matter how many straw man arguments you make
But think about this for a second you dumb faggot
If abortions are dangerous, then that’s a threat to life
If you’re so goddamn for protecting all life, why does the life of a woman who wants an abortion not matter?
Oh, that’s right, you’re completely full of shit and your wife is still fat

[~RustyGunZ~]

freal tho if it wasn't for abortions i wouldn't be here

wut

[boof]

alaska just hopped on btw

[~RustyGunZ~]

it's a revolution yall!

[boof]

abortion bills are about dealing the consequence of actions in the same way that invading venezuela is about fighting communism

[Flow]

The only people who should really duke this out is a group of women - that’s my issue - we can advise an out our money in. But we inherently are unable to understand the finder details - take a fair group of women an let them decide
Not one of us would let a group of women decide if we can do the hot or Thot tourney

[Flow]

Des won

So did flow bitch - know where my vote is going in the 1-2

[Flow]

He doesn’t want to answer so since you’re woke on the subject clearly would you answer for him?

You wernt showing your cards and getting to a point - I’d happily discuss the point you were attempting to pincer me into to then take out of context (standard debaters move )

[~RustyGunZ~]

I have a very good point

Answer it

[~RustyGunZ~]

abortion bills are about dealing the consequence of actions in the same way that invading venezuela is about fighting communism

were you on DMT or k2 when you figured that all out

[~RustyGunZ~]

You've all failed terribly to destroy the argument against these bills. Actual retards.

Vent the rest of the garbage you all have in your heads and I'll be back in awhile to show you how to properly fight against the pro-life lobby.

[boof]

makes sense that you would try to connect opinions you don't share with other things you have no experience with

[White LGI]

Bitches don't abort real niggaz babies

[Destroyer]

Right
I look dumb, so I’ve just been “trolling”

[Blue Bayou]

Upon review Des won this thread

He would take the W if this was a debate battle

[~RustyGunZ~]

makes sense that you would try to connect opinions you don't share with other things you have no experience with

loool what experiences do you have with abortions? or children for that matter?

you're a dirty hipster who holds signs for a living go fuck yourself

[~RustyGunZ~]

Right
I look dumb, so I’ve just been “trolling”

I do not look dumb, you do (don't let Blues insistence on tugging your balls in here make you think you don't, he's just mad about the whole 1-2 thing and doesn't have an open battle to write 100 lines for)

Logic will always favor the pro-life side of a debate on abortion if the debate is fueled primarily by emotional response and moral questioning

[~RustyGunZ~]

let me guess mikey

you spent a summer in impoverished areas around cali driving young women that used healing crystals as birth control and needed tandem bike rides to planned parenthood when it didn't work, and OH MAN the stories you've heard?

[Destroyer]

No it won’t
Because no one can ultimately define when life begins
That’s why this will go in circles forever
But pro-lifers want to value a clump of cells equal to and in reality, more than someone with hopes, dreams, loved ones and I never will see any “logic” in that.

[Destroyer]

And I’ll take blue votes where I can get them, thank you very much

[~RustyGunZ~]

No it won’t
Because no one can ultimately define when life begins
That’s why this will go in circles forever
But pro-lifers want to value a clump of cells equal to and in reality, more than someone with hopes, dreams, loved ones and I never will see any “logic” in that.

you're saying literally not having the chance at life is the same as someone having to deal with a birth? OH NO CHOOSING TO LET A LIFE LIVE MEANS MY PLANS TO GO TO PARIS OR NURSING SCHOOL WILL BE ON HOLD FOR A YEAR WHY WONT THEY JUST LET ME KILL THIS THING SO I CAN KEEP DRINKING CHAI LATTES OR MOUNTAIN DEW BECAUSE I WAS RASIED IN A SOCIETY THAT LETS YOU HAVE WHATEVER YOU WAAAAAANNNTTTTT THIS ISNT MY PROBLEM

seriously go eat a bullet outside the buzzfeed offices you massive cunt

[Flow]

You've all failed terribly to destroy the argument against these bills. Actual retards.

Vent the rest of the garbage you all have in your heads and I'll be back in awhile to show you how to properly fight against the pro-life lobby.

You believe your self an astute debater and yet have insulted and diminished the intellect of those you debate with to close most of your arguments - it’s a fair technique however I will call you on it - it’s the car salesmen technique where you attack someone’s self esteem an downgrade them as someone with an opinion then answer the question directly that was given you

I did ask you more then once to define the point you were making without trying to railroad me (as I was smart enough to deduct that was said plan) with your point

[~RustyGunZ~]

You believe your self an astute debater and yet have insulted and diminished the intellect of those you debate with to close most of your arguments - it’s a fair technique however I will call you on it - it’s the car salesmen technique where you attack someone’s self esteem an downgrade them as someone with an opinion then answer the question directly that was given you

I did ask you more then once to define the point you were making without trying to railroad me (as I was smart enough to deduct that was said plan) with your point

Define the point of what? Last thing you said was woman don't have control over mens bodies, I asked why

I need to tell you where I'm going with asking that question before you do?

Learn to play 4D chess or get off the checkerboard pal

[boof]

i don't understand your question but that's probably because you missed my point

i'm very far from someone who 'holds signs for a living' lol come on bro

i was saying you have a terrible opinion of why abortion bills are passed just like you have a terrible opinion of venezuela which i gathered from you calling maduro a communist in the bernie thread which is also filled with terrible opinions from you

[boof]

seth do you advocate for any demographic other than unborn fetuses?

tbc i'm saying demographic because you consider them lives

[~RustyGunZ~]

seth do you advocate for any demographic other than unborn fetuses?

tbc i'm saying demographic because you consider them lives

I advocate for life in general

Though I don't pay into the libertarian party anymore since it's been infected I still hold the beliefs that led me to them in 2008, that everyone deserves absolute freedom AS LONG AS IT DOESNT HURT OTHERS

Since I consider, (scientifically not religiously) that fetuses are lives 6 days after conception and once implantation is achieved, I consider abortion to be murder

[~RustyGunZ~]

i don't understand your question but that's probably because you missed my point

i'm very far from someone who 'holds signs for a living' lol come on bro

i was saying you have a terrible opinion of why abortion bills are passed just like you have a terrible opinion of venezuela which i gathered from you calling maduro a communist in the bernie thread which is also filled with terrible opinions from you

Are you saying I think we're getting involved with Venezuela because f communist?

If so no

It's for dem oils? fucking duh?

[boof]

can you elaborate? when you say you "advocate for life in general" what does that mean?

you defend everything's right, to be alive? do you go beyond that ever? and do you advocate for life of non-humans? frozen embryos in fertility clinics? those get discarded quite often, no? do you care if an animal fetus is aborted? why or why not?

and after whichever of those that you choose to advocate for do in fact make it to this life(thanks for the work you do to help get them here), what other rights of theirs do you advocate for? clearly "absolute freedom" doesn't come for everyone in the system we're born into, so when the freedoms they deserve are curbed, do you advocate for them? if so, can you give examples?

lastly, do you believe that the foster system is a good upholder of absolute freedom for the babies that will end up there after their mother is forced to carry to term? if not, why would you support a law that will most definitely send them there? especially when we know the high rates of depression, suicide, mental illness, drug addiction, and criminality from children that have gone through this system?

[boof]

Are you saying I think we're getting involved with Venezuela because f communist?

If so no

It's for dem oils? fucking duh?

do you think maduro is a communist?

[Flow]

Define the point of what? Last thing you said was woman don't have control over mens bodies, I asked why

I need to tell you where I'm going with asking that question before you do?

Learn to play 4D chess or get off the checkerboard pal

I’ll settle this over a game
Of chess if your willing

[~RustyGunZ~]

can you elaborate? when you say you "advocate for life in general" what does that mean?

you defend everything's right, to be alive? do you go beyond that ever? and do you advocate for life of non-humans? frozen embryos in fertility clinics? those get discarded quite often, no? do you care if an animal fetus is aborted? why or why not?

and after whichever of those that you choose to advocate for do in fact make it to this life(thanks for the work you do to help get them here), what other rights of theirs do you advocate for? clearly "absolute freedom" doesn't come for everyone in the system we're born into, so when the freedoms they deserve are curbed, do you advocate for them? if so, can you give examples?

lastly, do you believe that the foster system is a good upholder of absolute freedom for the babies that will end up there after their mother is forced to carry to term? if not, why would you support a law that will most definitely send them there? especially when we know the high rates of depression, suicide, mental illness, drug addiction, and criminality from children that have gone through this system?

this is loaded so give me a minute, I do not take you as a PancakeBrah style troll so I assume you'd welcome me actually addressing each point seriously

[~RustyGunZ~]

I’ll settle this over a game
Of chess if your willing

send me an invite needs to be an iphone game tho

[Amen]

Seth desperate.

[Flow]

send me an invite needs to be an iphone game tho

Yo you know I’m drunk - also you know I get your opinion - but competitive an very good at chess I’ll dischord you Ona. Game tomorrow at work

[~RustyGunZ~]

do you think maduro is a communist?

no he's a socialist

literally part of the socialist party? I'm gonna need to take a page out of flows book and ask where you're trying to go with this

[boof]

take your time

[~RustyGunZ~]

Yo you know I’m drunk - also you know I get your opinion - but competitive an very good at chess I’ll dischord you Ona. Game tomorrow at work

sounds good

[boof]

shit tier moderating. should have asked him about the communist in Venezuela

[~RustyGunZ~]

Seth desperate.

I'm having intelligent conversations with people

You literally spend 2x the amount of time posting on here as me on a regular basis to lie about how cool/macho/not beta you are when no one asked in the first place

Go kick your kids in the ankles some more gotta get that NFL draft 2028

[~RustyGunZ~]

fixed it

[boof]

so, you misspoke or weren't educated on the topic yet?

[Amen]

I'm having intelligent conversations with people

You literally spend 2x the amount of time posting on here as me on a regular basis to lie about how cool/macho/not beta you are when no one asked in the first place

Go kick your kids in the ankles some more gotta get that NFL draft 2028

So we are going to bring the children in to this?

Defensive much, Seth?

I’ve legit posted maybe 4 or 5 times in the last week on this site. Where you are logged in never out posting all day long. Don’t get me wrong, there were days I’ve did it but not anymore. Get some fresh air, bud.

See you next week! Have a great weekend on here, pal.

[~RustyGunZ~]

can you elaborate? when you say you "advocate for life in general" what does that mean?

I advocate for anything that supports human rights as long as they don't violate others human rights to achieve it.

you defend everything's right, to be alive? do you go beyond that ever?

Not sure what you mean by "beyond that". Like beyond them getting their life to begin with? Then yeah? I advocate any cause that also keeps people alive (who deserve life)

and do you advocate for life of non-humans? frozen embryos in fertility clinics? those get discarded quite often, no?

As I've stated before, I believe natural life in the womb starts after implantation. Most frozen embryos I know of aren't implanted yet. It's hard to get exact answers on that stuff though maybe you'd have more knowledge on it from activist you know that have been involved with them.

do you care if an animal fetus is aborted? why or why not?

is this a thing lmao? will answer if its a thing but uh nah I don't think it possibly could be unless you got the intel from chyeahh. I don't eat baby cows and such though, and am trying to slowly get better at knowing how the animals I eat were treated and not give money to companies that are cruel.

and after whichever of those that you choose to advocate for do in fact make it to this life(thanks for the work you do to help get them here), what other rights of theirs do you advocate for? clearly "absolute freedom" doesn't come for everyone in the system we're born into, so when the freedoms they deserve are curbed, do you advocate for them? if so, can you give examples?

I support any and all reform to prisons and low income areas. Most recent thing I think is dope is the change to how SAT scores are judged. I like a lot of what some people are talking about with a UBI.

lastly, do you believe that the foster system is a good upholder of absolute freedom for the babies that will end up there after their mother is forced to carry to term? if not, why would you support a law that will most definitely send them there? especially when we know the high rates of depression, suicide, mental illness, drug addiction, and criminality from children that have gone through this system?

the foster system isn't perfect, but a lot of people have a chance because of it. if you believe in abortion being a good thing to keep people from being born into bad circumstances, that is contradicting you thinking we have a right as third parties to say how someones life is affected and what is done with their body. your argument at the end of this means we should use population control on low income areas to. I find that utterly disgusting. We need to make changes that make those areas safe and secure for future generations, not just kill anything coming in to keep it a manageable mess.

[~RustyGunZ~]

So we are going to bring the children in to this?

Defensive much, Seth?

I’ve legit posted maybe 4 or 5 times in the last week on this site. Where you are logged in never out posting all day long. Don’t get me wrong, there were days I’ve did it but not anymore. Get some fresh air, bud.

See you next week! Have a great weekend on here, pal.

You'll be here all weekend faggot

I wasn't insulting your kids I was insulting you lmaoo cus you're a loser that trips your kids so they'll get better reflexes

[~RustyGunZ~]

so, you misspoke or weren't educated on the topic yet?

misspoke, i spend 0 time thinking about what I post after I've typed it so if I mix up terminology once or twice in a rapid fire 10 page thread I'm not surprised

[DMS]

seth Blue Bayou Destroyer if you all define personhood, we can debate which definition is correct and then argue on whether fetuses fit within the definition. After that we can argue the actual argument being had about if its moral to kill the innocent.

[~RustyGunZ~]

seth Blue Bayou Destroyer if you all define personhood, we can debate which definition is correct and then argue on whether fetuses fit within the definition. After that we can argue the actual argument being had about if its moral to kill the innocent.

Shut the entire fuck up idiot

[Destroyer]

Seth can do his kid a favor and let his fat wife sit on him until he suffocates.

[~RustyGunZ~]

Seth can do his kid a favor and let his fat wife sit on him until he suffocates.

You can do your kid a favor and hang yourself from his bedroom ceiling fan on full blast

Maybe the trauma will make him not be a pussy like his cuck father

[uh-oh]

if it means an end to the dadcees threads i'm all for this recent escalation in rhetoric

[~RustyGunZ~]

This loser insulting my family because he lacks the basic cognitive abilities to have a conversation that isn’t patting his back is so cringe worthy

What a monumental failure you are

[DMS]

Shut the entire fuck up idiot

that isn't a response but okay.


I guess I'll just sit here watching the fucking NASCAR race.

[Destroyer]

Seth, being fat and ginger and going to Ithaca doesn’t disqualify you from being a misogynistic idiot.
Someday, maybe you’ll wake up and realize that the morals you’ve arrived at in your Bostonian world, don’t necessarily apply to everyone and that your beliefs don’t make facts, no matter how deep in your chubby heart it hurts when you hear that someone else made a choice in their own fucking life that you’d disagree with

[~RustyGunZ~]

Seth, being fat and ginger and going to Ithaca doesn’t disqualify you from being a misogynistic idiot.
Someday, maybe you’ll wake up and realize that the morals you’ve arrived at in your Bostonian world, don’t necessarily apply to everyone and that your beliefs don’t make facts, no matter how deep in your chubby heart it hurts when you hear that someone else made a choice in their own fucking life that you’d disagree with

Being a middle age loser that never amounted to anything with their 4 year degree at a mid tier journo school and only had the gumption to go for that retail promotion once he financially needed to doesn’t mean the rest of the world is inhabited by nihilistic faggots that don’t have original thoughts

[uh-oh]

have we not figured out that people have different opinions and beliefs yet?

knucks opinions and beliefs are as valid as des'

the true heart of the matter is we need to dissolve the federal government

[Destroyer]

Yeah, I work at a phone store
Intellectually, I tower over you
I think that you continuing to point that out, hurts you more than it does me
But, do you

[Destroyer]

I suppose I could make a lot more money and build lame RPGs and spout fucking ignorance
I guess I have something to aspire to

[~RustyGunZ~]

Yeah, I work at a phone store
Intellectually, I tower over you
I think that you continuing to point that out, hurts you more than it does me
But, do you

Keep telling yourself that loser

I was at your position 10+ years younger with an art degree

Will have my second and third degree in Computer Science and Mathematics in 6 months

Literally only make RPGs becasue I’m so successful at 26 I was able to just go back to school and do that for fun as a “if something happens cool if not I’ll be doing something else when I’m done”

While supporting my family lmaooo

You’ll never compare to me, you’re already too many steps behind too many years ahead you old bitter nobody

[Destroyer]

“I’m the President of the United States of America.”
Here’s a shocking newsflash to the Ivy League educated: titles mean fuck all if what comes out of your mouth is inane dreck.

[~RustyGunZ~]

have we not figured out that people have different opinions and beliefs yet?

knucks opinions and beliefs are as valid as des'

the true heart of the matter is we need to dissolve the federal government

No uh oh only des opinion is right because he’s a sales force scientist and soooo much smarter than me. And you. And anyone that isn’t boiler plate liberal.

[uh-oh]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2Ov5jzm3j8

[uh-oh]

“I’m the President of the United States of America.”
Here’s a shocking newsflash to the Ivy League educated: titles mean fuck all if what comes out of your mouth is inane dreck.
the title of the presidents pretty legit tho doggy

trump 2020

[~RustyGunZ~]

“I’m the President of the United States of America.”
Here’s a shocking newsflash to the Ivy League educated: titles mean fuck all if what comes out of your mouth is inane dreck.

“I tower you intellectually”

Here’s a shocking newsflash to the failed English majors of middle America: your background and wokeness mean fuck all if it’s inane dreck

[Destroyer]

When you can put together a string of words that isn’t my words edited shittily to try and fail to make a point, get at me
And when you research shit for insults, do better.
I went to the #1 school for journalism at the time, faggot

[Destroyer]

I’m making an RPG about it right now

[~RustyGunZ~]

When you can put together a string of words that isn’t my words edited shittily to try and fail to make a point, get at me
And when you research shit for insults, do better.
I went to the #1 school for journalism at the time, faggot

If it was it makes you an even bigger loser

[uh-oh]

my pops believes in two things, trump and bigfoot

[Destroyer]

If it was it makes you an even bigger loser

Well, you’d know, wouldn’t you, since you’re the ultimate last word on life and morality?

[~RustyGunZ~]

Well, you’d know, wouldn’t you, since you’re the ultimate last word on life and morality?

I’m not

I argued my point and you argued yours. You’re the one that believes this of yourself.

[Destroyer]

Really? I’m the one who believes that?
My view is to let people make that decision on their own
You want to legislate it
you think that’s ok because of how you personally feel about it morally
That doesn’t even enter into my reasoning behind what I believe
So please, explain to me how I’m the one who believes that.

[Destroyer]

And you yourself conceded that you weren’t even arguing your own beliefs, that you were “trolling.” You said that shit
Now, I’m supposed to what, respect your arguments? Why the fuck would anyone?

[~RustyGunZ~]

Really? I’m the one who believes that?
My view is to let people make that decision on their own
You want to legislate it
you think that’s ok because of how you personally feel about it morally
That doesn’t even enter into my reasoning behind what I believe
So please, explain to me how I’m the one who believes that.

So my view on actual murder needing to be legislated means I’m wrong?

Edit: I mean me killing you murder don’t get too worked up

Wish I went to the number one journo school in 1980s bumfuck America

[Destroyer]

You can converse better than this
I’m done until you decide you want to

[DMS]

Smh, all of you would lose a debate to Ben Shapiro, no matter what side he takes, because all of you suck ass at making points and explaining why one should come to a certain conclusion.

[Pharaohs Army]

The real question is why was this bill passed in the first place? They must know it won't hold up to court challenges. And don't voters already know that their republicans are against abortion? Did they just want an easy vote to show everyone how rabid they are? Or perhaps they just want to stick it to rape victims. Although I don't know why they'd want those optics.

[Destroyer]

They want it brought to the SC bro
It’s not stupid in design, just evil

[uh-oh]

They want it brought to the SC bro
It’s not stupid in design, just evil

the fact you view their motives as evil shows the disconnect you have. you are being supremely closeminded friend

[~RustyGunZ~]

What Des said

It’s too help the movement to overturn Roe v Wade

[Destroyer]

the fact you view their motives as evil shows the disconnect you have. you are being supremely closeminded friend

A bunch of men deciding to take bodily autonomy from women is evil to me

[~RustyGunZ~]

You can converse better than this
I’m done until you decide you want to

That effort from me ended when you insulted my family like an oversized baby because you were mad I challenged you

The internet does wild things to people that think they’re always the smartest person in the room

[~RustyGunZ~]

A bunch of men deciding to take bodily autonomy from women is evil to me

A bunch of men deciding to give bodily autonomy to babies is brave to as many people as that is evil to others

[~RustyGunZ~]

And you yourself conceded that you weren’t even arguing your own beliefs, that you were “trolling.” You said that shit
Now, I’m supposed to what, respect your arguments? Why the fuck would anyone?

https://i.imgur.com/QFIOyAM_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

TFW people debate opinions that aren’t theirs better than you debate your own opinions

[uh-oh]

A bunch of men deciding to take bodily autonomy from women is evil to me

the fact you frame it as a "bunch of men" further showcases your one sided view of the issue. plenty of women are against abortion. those men got voted into their positions by plenty of women.

but again in their eyes, its not about the women who are pregnant, but the defenseless baby they are carrying. the baby didn't decide to exist.

im for abortion. as far as its politically concerned. but i'm against it morally. but if you can't see that both sides mean good you aren't looking at it correctly.

im just against the government interfering with the people.

[Pharaohs Army]

Roe v. Wade is like a 46 year precedent. They must know it's futile.

[uh-oh]

Roe v. Wade is like a 46 year precedent. They must know it's futile.

why is the federal government involved? weed has been illegal for way longer federally, but plenty of states have legalized it and the feds haven't interfered in any meaningful way

the feds shouldn't interfere with any decisions made by any states

if youre against legal weed move out of colorado

if youre for abortion move out of alabama

we don't need to a be a uniform union that imprisons people for their decisions in life if everyone in their community doesn't view that decision as harmful to them

[Big Bolo]

Damn knuck might finally beat my 3k views with this thread...

[Destroyer]

You fucking dense assholes
I would never want a woman to have an abortion
It’s also none of my fucking business
Nor yours, nor anyone’s but that woman
Why don’t we just mandate organ donation while we’re at it?
You have two kidneys, this guy needs one, lay the fuck down
Knucklehead is a bigger man than me, while I insult his family, he just posts pics of me and insults my job, intelligence and ability to debate
While being a self-professed troll
Then I got fucking 6 chromosome uh-oh over here weighing in
Fuck all of you
It’s a wonder that you still know how to breathe
Fucking ignorant
How many unwanted babies have you adopted captain save the fetuses?

[Destroyer]

But no, you’re championing life ends when you log off I’m sure

[Destroyer]

I mean why is fucking dead people bad?
They’re dead. They don’t care. We should be able to fuck them
No, the dead retain their bodily autonomy, but fucking women don’t get to

[joog]

Yall wild. This basically effects poor women.
Wealthier women in Alabama can easily travel out of state. Where as poorer women can not.

[uh-oh]

des. put aside your emotions

i don't care about you and knucks argument

we have the same exact stance on the issue. it ain't for me or you to decide. im pro abortion. my personal thoughts don't matter. i don't want it to be law that women can't get abortions.

i also however respect other peoples freedoms, and if a state is largely against abortions, it ain't for me to weigh in on. if it was my state and an issue that actually affected me i would vote against it. if it was obvious i was in the minority, i would move.

all i'm promoting in this thread is less federal intervention and giving more power to the states in governing themselves.

i'll fish a baby out with a bent clotheshanger who gives a shit nerds. paging doc martin, paging doc martin.

[joog]

Not to mention the hypocrisy.
-poorer women are "welfare queens" and using up benefits.
-its been proven that families that struggle, have children more enclined to live a life of crime.
- who tf is gonna adopt these kids a d get them out of foster care?

[Destroyer]

des. put aside your emotions

i don't care about you and knucks argument

we have the same exact stance on the issue. it ain't for me or you to decide. im pro abortion. my personal thoughts don't matter. i don't want it to be law that women can't get abortions.

i also however respect other peoples freedoms, and if a state is largely against abortions, it ain't for me to weigh in on. if it was my state and an issue that actually affected me i would vote against it. if it was obvious i was in the minority, i would move.

all i'm promoting in this thread is less federal intervention and giving more power to the states in governing themselves.

i'll fish a baby out with a bent clotheshanger who gives a shit nerds. paging doc martin, paging doc martin.

These are all valid points
However, this speaks directly towards people’s “freedoms”
States do have the right to make laws
But not ones that go against the Constitution of the United States
And that’s the crux of this debate
Is it constitutional to tell a woman “you can’t get an abortion in the state of Alabama legally, after you’re aware that you’re pregnant?”
I don’t believe that it is, and I guess we shall see

[Pharaohs Army]

It’s a wonder that you still know how to breathe

good Dylan quote

[Sharp]

Roe v. Wade is like a 46 year precedent. They must know it's futile.

The point is to take it to the SC to overturn Roe, even partially (states rights)

[~RustyGunZ~]

You fucking dense assholes
I would never want a woman to have an abortion
It’s also none of my fucking business
Nor yours, nor anyone’s but that woman
Why don’t we just mandate organ donation while we’re at it?
You have two kidneys, this guy needs one, lay the fuck down
Knucklehead is a bigger man than me, while I insult his family, he just posts pics of me and insults my job, intelligence and ability to debate
While being a self-professed troll
Then I got fucking 6 chromosome uh-oh over here weighing in
Fuck all of you
It’s a wonder that you still know how to breathe
Fucking ignorant
How many unwanted babies have you adopted captain save the fetuses?

You’re just not getting it man. You don’t agree with me on when life is life. Neither of us is stating facts. We’re stating opinions. My opinion is based on science and probability. Doesn’t mean it’s the be all answer. All of your frustration is null when those abortions are ending a life to me and others. I see your argument as one that is an equivalency to saying we shouldn’t charge murders if they shoot someone dead in the streets because it’s not our business. Your organ donor argument isn’t relevant because it’s arguing that all people should participate in a communal prevention program, not saying people should be held accountable for their direct and conscience actions.

I also didn’t make this conversation personal, you did. Sorry you couldn’t take what you gave big guy.

And why would I save fetuses? It wasn’t my mistake made, therefore I’m not accountable.

[Destroyer]

Communal prevention program? Lol
Look, man. You think abortion is ending a life. But you also obviously place a higher value on these babies lives than you do say a person in need of a kidney transplant. This guy didn’t ask for his kidneys to fail, why should he have to die so you can walk around with your two kidneys intact? Now, am I advocating for that? No. Because it’s fucking insane. But I think that arguing for his right to your kidney is similar to your argument. I mean, you’re saying this guy doesn’t have the right to life support? Why not? The babies do, but kidney guy doesn’t? Why? Babies do have a right to life. They don’t, however, have the right to life support, which is what forcing women to bear them is giving them. So, what I’m asking you, is why not go all the way in your search to preserve life which is so precious? Take organs from people who don’t need them. Take blood from people if you need to - they don’t need all of it- hell, you can drop a pint like every week and be cool. Why does your call to preserve the Uber-precious life stop at the unwanted kind?

[DMS]

They want it brought to the SC bro
It’s not stupid in design, just evil

idk what the summer classics have to do with his, but okay ig.

[~RustyGunZ~]

Communal prevention program? Lol
Look, man. You think abortion is ending a life. But you also obviously place a higher value on these babies lives than you do say a person in need of a kidney transplant. This guy didn’t ask for his kidneys to fail, why should he have to die so you can walk around with your two kidneys intact? Now, am I advocating for that? No. Because it’s fucking insane. But I think that arguing for his right to your kidney is similar to your argument. I mean, you’re saying this guy doesn’t have the right to life support? Why not? The babies do, but kidney guy doesn’t? Why? Babies do have a right to life. They don’t, however, have the right to life support, which is what forcing women to bear them is giving them. So, what I’m asking you, is why not go all the way in your search to preserve life which is so precious? Take organs from people who don’t need them. Take blood from people if you need to - they don’t need all of it- hell, you can drop a pint like every week and be cool. Why does your call to preserve the Uber-precious life stop at the unwanted kind?

I said earlier in this thread I wouldn’t care if there was a mandatory organ donor program. I don’t think it’s a viable legislation. I think abortion when the mother is healthy and had sex by choice is a case of murder. I don’t think abortion laws will make abortions go away or solve any important issues. That doesn’t mean I can’t argue why I believe they’re wrong.

But it’s really insane to me you think this argument makes any sense. Again you have no capacity to understand others points of view. If I see abortion as murder I see someone needing a kidney as someone dying in a traffic accident. It’s something that has nothing to do with anyone but that person and their family. Sourcing organs from strangers isn’t a relevant argument here just because it deals with some form of body autonomy. I am not arguing that abortion is an issue of body autonomy and never will be convinced it is for any reason but the babies body autonomy.

[Destroyer]

Lol. You’re a fucking moronic misogynistic asshole and I truly feel sorry for your wife and pretty much any woman that ever has to tolerate you
What if the baby is a woman?
By that logic it shouldn’t have any bodily autonomy so it could be aborted.
Game over
Log off
Kill yourself
Karaoke won
demo was lame
Eat shit

[~RustyGunZ~]

Lol. You’re a fucking moronic misogynistic asshole and I truly feel sorry for your wife and pretty much any woman that ever has to tolerate you
What if the baby is a woman?
By that logic it shouldn’t have any bodily autonomy so it could be aborted.
Game over
Log off
Kill yourself
Karaoke won
demo was lame
Eat shit

You’ve gotta be trolling at this point. That argument was some DMS shit. Hurts my head to even think it might be 10% serious. I don’t think you understand logic in any capacity if you made that left turn into a ditch with what I said.

[Destroyer]

I’ve been trolling this whole time
I’ve had like 7 abortions
Also, I’m pro life
And Christian

[Blue Bayou]

Lmaooooo Karaoke won/demo was lame

Has Destro always been this funny?

[~RustyGunZ~]

I think someone in this very thread made a comment about saying you were trolling all along meaning you weren’t and lost?

Think his name was EmpathE

Few pages back you can’t miss the profile it’s at 50-75 record wild stuff

[Destroyer]

Yeah,but you have to add in Tim Grady’s 6 wins too

Oh wait, that was NC1, I mean 600 wins

[~RustyGunZ~]

Yeah,but you have to add in Tim Grady’s 6 wins too

Oh wait, that was NC1, I mean 600 wins

1-2 wins don’t count

[bleak]

Who is excited for episode 6 bros

[~RustyGunZ~]

Who is excited for episode 6 bros

Wish dnd were both aborted

[Destroyer]

They had 6 episodes bro
Why don’t you allow them their creative autonomy fascist?

[~RustyGunZ~]

Wish they’d ride a tandem kamikaze plane into your house

[GUDELJ]

I think Des wife’s uturus is from Alabama

[Destroyer]

Is your lip canyon a hanger scar?

[GUDELJ]

Same hanger that holds her miscarried baby up as a Xmas ornament

[Destroyer]

Or nah meant?
I don’t get it

[Big Bolo]

I think Des wife’s uturus is from Alabama

Where's your lip from?....?...fkn Alice in wonderland?...fkn whoville?...

[Destroyer]

Whereville, more like

[White LGI]

My Dick's the abortion took

[Witty]

I'll rape women
I mean i'll fucking do it...I hate women
I'm not about to go on some fucking date with 'em
I stay chillin'

[DMS]

You fucking dense assholes
I would never want a woman to have an abortion
It’s also none of my fucking business
Nor yours, nor anyone’s but that woman
Why don’t we just mandate organ donation while we’re at it?
You have two kidneys, this guy needs one, lay the fuck down
Knucklehead is a bigger man than me, while I insult his family, he just posts pics of me and insults my job, intelligence and ability to debate
While being a self-professed troll
Then I got fucking 6 chromosome uh-oh over here weighing in
Fuck all of you
It’s a wonder that you still know how to breathe
Fucking ignorant
How many unwanted babies have you adopted captain save the fetuses?


Destroyer fails to see the difference between not saving someone, which isn't actively killing someone, and abortion, which is active killing of something, which I believe is a person.

[bleak]

we have the same exact stance on the issue. it ain't for me or you to decide. im pro abortion. my personal thoughts don't matter. i don't want it to be law that women can't get abortions.

i also however respect other peoples freedoms, and if a state is largely against abortions, it ain't for me to weigh in on.

Wait what

[uh-oh]

Wait what

im pro choice in the sense of law. meaning im against the GOVERNMENT telling anyone what to do pretty much ever.

but at the same time, the government is supposed to represent the people. if the people of alabama want to outlaw abortion, i feel they have the right to do that. the same way someone in a pro choice state should have the right to abort if thats what the people in that state want.

im not for hardline federal laws, or federal government in general.

so basically my POLITICAL stance is pro choice, but i respect other peoples stances, and don't think my views should dictate anyone elses life.

fairly simple.

[uh-oh]

that said im morally against abortion

but im also morally against pineapple on pizza

[GUDELJ]

Going to download some 180p porn off Kaaza and bring up Hitler in an Obama election topic brb

Kazaa lmaoooo damn I’m ded

[Answer]

Going to download some 180p porn off Kaaza and bring up Hitler in an Obama election topic brb

plz tell me u weren't trynna kazaa in 2008, we were on limewire watching chicks getting fucked by animals by '02-'03

[GUDELJ]

FrostWire

[Destroyer]

If republicans gave a real fuck about the sanctity of life, they wouldn’t continue to attack wages and attack impoverished mothers and communities of color, all while making sure most people in their own states are too poor to afford a single child. They mock them for wanting higher wages and they legislate higher wages into law for themselves just for fun.
They attack planned parenthood, which exists like 95% to ensure that people can plan for a family and have protected sex until they are ready for a child, and provide care and education ensuring that an abortion is the absolute last choice.
If republicans didn’t do all that, I might actually believe them when they go on and on about the preciousness of life. I wouldn’t agree, but they wouldn’t look like they’re completely full of shit like they do.
Women get abortions because they are unable to carry a child to term or unable to give it what it needs to grow and flourish. Usually because the pregnancy was unintended, be it consensual or through rape. Now, in the first case, it’s not super shocking that areas that don’t practice comprehensive sex education have a much higher rate of teen pregnancy.
They set them up with no education then pass laws based on their outdated draconian views on sex for them to try and live up to. They cripple healthcare and education, and set up an atmosphere of toxic masculinity that result in more rapes and less chances of reporting that rape less justice for rapists and less rape deterence.
It’s oppression, brutality, fear-mongering ignorance. They have no desire to actually protect life. Every policy they stand behind does the opposite in both philosophy and action.
If you dislike abortion, then your responsibility is to do everything in your power to ensure women don’t need to seek it out.
It’s pretty clear that this isn’t the case here.

[White LGI]

If republicans gave a real fuck about the sanctity of life, they wouldn’t continue to attack wages and attack impoverished mothers and communities of color, all while making sure most people in their own states are too poor to afford a single child. They mock them for wanting higher wages and they legislate higher wages into law for themselves just for fun.
They attack planned parenthood, which exists like 95% to ensure that people can plan for a family and have protected sex until they are ready for a child, and provide care and education ensuring that an abortion is the absolute last choice.
If republicans didn’t do all that, I might actually believe them when they go on and on about the preciousness of life. I wouldn’t agree, but they wouldn’t look like they’re completely full of shit like they do.
Women get abortions because they are unable to carry a child to term or unable to give it what it needs to grow and flourish. Usually because the pregnancy was unintended, be it consensual or through rape. Now, in the first case, it’s not super shocking that areas that don’t practice comprehensive sex education have a much higher rate of teen pregnancy.
They set them up with no education then pass laws based on their outdated draconian views on sex for them to try and live up to. They cripple healthcare and education, and set up an atmosphere of toxic masculinity that result in more rapes and less chances of reporting that rape less justice for rapists and less rape deterence.
It’s oppression, brutality, fear-mongering ignorance. They have no desire to actually protect life. Every policy they stand behind does the opposite in both philosophy and action.
If you dislike abortion, then your responsibility is to do everything in your power to ensure women don’t need to seek it out.
It’s pretty clear that this isn’t the case here.

Yet the economy is historically better under Republicans outside baby Bush and that was caused by bipartisan support of the war on terror being trumped up.

And I hate c a cs

[DMS]

im pro choice in the sense of law. meaning im against the GOVERNMENT telling anyone what to do pretty much ever.

but at the same time, the government is supposed to represent the people. if the people of alabama want to outlaw abortion, i feel they have the right to do that. the same way someone in a pro choice state should have the right to abort if thats what the people in that state want.

im not for hardline federal laws, or federal government in general.

so basically my POLITICAL stance is pro choice, but i respect other peoples stances, and don't think my views should dictate anyone elses life.

fairly simple.


a government is tasked with protecting the rights of its people, which would include the unborn if the unborn are persons. the real argument to be had here is whether fetuses are people.

[bleak]

Do you think the people of Alabama voted for this to be passed? uh-oh

[uh-oh]

Do you think the people of Alabama voted for this to be passed? uh-oh

they voted to put the state senators and house representatives of alabama into office. it was ridiculously overwhelming btw. 25-6 in the senate and 74-3 in the house.

you vote for candidates whose views align with yours.

[uh-oh]

a government is tasked with protecting the rights of its people, which would include the unborn if the unborn are persons. the real argument to be had here is whether fetuses are people.

i disagree. the fetuses are without a doubt human life, the argument is if that human life is valuable. thats the problem though because pro-lifers pretend that it holds the weight of killing a 5 year old kid full of potential with your bare hands, and the pro choicers pretend that its just a malignant growth of benign cells destined to kill the mother.

i'd have more respect for both sides of the debate if we could just look at it for what it actually is.