I don't understand this new generation... Current "hip hop" discussion.

[Finnydot]

How is a less talented artist supposedly "better" than the older artists? I literally got into a shouting match with a buddy of mine on PlayStation last night about Post Malone being classified as "hip hop". I literally got upset at this 19 year old kid I've never met b before because he said Post Malone was a better rapper than Tupac. Lol! I'm not even a huge Pac fan! I always rode with Biggie in the beef. I've had numerous discussions with my friends in KC that grew up in the hood about that shit. Mother fuckers 20 years later were ready to scrap with me because i didn't like Pac all that much. But these kids know Juicy but they have no idea who made the song! It's just crazy to me. I asked him about some old soul records like Teddy P and Smokie Robinson. Dude had no idea who i was talking about. It's crazy. It's more that they have no appreciation for the previous generation than liking their current artists.

[dull boy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90WD_ats6eE

[Sharp]

^that, oddly


Let's be real though: talent/skills/ability/whatever isn't a large determining factor in what makes music enjoyable for most people (and shouldn't be). The zeitgeist is just same shit, different synth patch. Last generation was same shit, different sample, then same shit, different instruments

[Inno]

Literally every pop song of the last what 20 years can be played in 3 chords

Meaning. It’s all relative my friend.

[Sharp]

4 chords and 60 years

[Witty]

Times may be changing, as they will continue to do. But in no time will Post Malone ever be better than Tupac.

I don't even dislike Post Malone.

[Pharaohs Army]

I just looked up Post Malone on youtube and the first 4 songs I sampled all had auto-tune.
Hard to tell how well someone raps when there's special effects over his voice. It's stupid.

[Answer]

Post Malone isn’t a rapper. People are just too stupid to distinguish between actual hip hop and the autotune singing over trap beats that Travis Scott makes. Black folks founded it so whiteamerica labeled it rap

[Geno]

Man it took a while of me falling in love with hiphop bwfore i started diggin in the crates so to speak. These kids will never do that cause this music sucks. It inspires nothing. Lmao

I was reading some shit jada said.. He thinks 90s style gutter is coming back.. With griselda on the rise and shit in his opinion its coming full circle. Idk man. Griselda is the best thing poppin but full circle seems like a lonnngggg way off

[dull boy]

Lumberjack with a hacksaw

[Amen]

It’s a matter of preference.

That is why. These new artists making music with no content but the “drip” better.

[Victor.]

It’s concerning your friends with a 19 year old thru the PlayStation bro


More concerning you argued with him to the point you both were yelling



Do you tho

[Ouch]

Yeah I don't get it either, honestly I never tried to understand it. Although I do kind of get it.Even the loud MOP hyped up stuff that I listen to 'kids' now a days are like this is corny.

Let alone Nas, Jay etc... or god forbid some like... aesop rock or atmosphere or anything like that... they're like yeah ok grandpa next are you going to read me the thesaurus fucking thesaurus. And they listen to mumble rap, 90% of which I have no clue what their names are they're all interchangeable, to me.

I think the people who are still really into rap/hip-hop still know the stuff most of us like, like more lyrical stuff, and have an appreciation for it... but the majority absolutely not.

Like the other guy put, the times they are a changin'. But I think they changed a looong time ago. I've got no interest in it, i'll put on some of that stuff every now and then for fun if I want to bang out and yell or when I can get it together enough to work out. But I've never tried to look much into the new stuff because they sound a lot the same to me, and I don't really like it.

[Finnydot]

It’s concerning your friends with a 19 year old thru the PlayStation bro


More concerning you argued with him to the point you both were yelling



Do you tho

Lmao on your "video games are corny" tip. Some of these guys I've known for years.

I'm not saying screaming or getting literally angry. Butt talking much more loudly than i should have about it. And admitting letting it get to me and i shouldn't have.

But point still stands. Kid knows nothing of what hip hop is and doesn't care to know. It's just sad that kids these days won't acknowledge the greats. That's the fucking issue. And taking offense to that goes back to my oldest backpack sentimentality. I was a B-Boy in high school before i ever started writing. And regardless of what you think about my music, or me as a person, my understanding of the game and who the pioneers were is pretty substantial. I still love hip hop even tho it's never loved me back. These kids listen to these hollow rappers and its just ridiculous how far we've gotten away from what truly made this game great.

Fuck what you think Vic, i still respect your opinion of hip hop way more than 99% of kids 10 years younger than me. And i can't stand people like you. I think you've lived of front street your whole life. But i BET you've got a record in your CD collection somewhere we could agree to listen to. That's what was beautiful about this shit for so long.

[uh-oh]

we're old

popular music has been and always will be for the youth. what is dope now kids in 20 years will think is old and corny while the kids now will still enjoy it.

its just the way of the world.

hip hop is appreciated like it always was, but you gotta look into it. same with every genre of music that is dope. there is always going to be a pocket of new artists who are dope and upholding the craft, but they won't have mainstream success like that. household name type success.

[Ouch]

we're old


in two words... that basically sums it up.

it would be like... me growing up listening to big daddy kane/run dmc/sugar hill gang/Doug E Fresh/Fab 5 Freddy/eric b and rakim... or some shit... I mean because I was a hip hop nerd I had heard some of their main songs and I appreciated them... but I still thought of them as old as hell

and I think thats what people now would think of Nas and shit as... and the ones that weren't super into hip hop/rap wouldn't even listen to it. Like I said, be like ok grandpa put on that Nas.

we're old, doesn't mean that there music is better... superior quality, took more talent or skill or whatever.. but thats just not whats 'cool'.

[Ouch]

for instance.. I was like 7 when illmatic came out... I still loved nas and all that... but I was 7 and I know nas kept on with dope music definetly into my high school age, but I still saw him as slightly old

[Ouch]

And heres a good point too... I listen to a lot of old stuff.. non rap stuff like blues from like the 20's when things were first recorded, skip james, ledbelly, blind willie mctell... listened to etta james and gloomy sunday billie holiday last night... and stuff from my parents era like bob marley, van morrison, jimi hendrix, stones, beatles etc

but rap has always kind of been like... a who's doing what RIGHT NOW... like... who's popular right now sort of thing. More so than other types of music. In my opinion.

[Victor.]

Lmao on your "video games are corny" tip. Some of these guys I've known for years.

I'm not saying screaming or getting literally angry. Butt talking much more loudly than i should have about it. And admitting letting it get to me and i shouldn't have.

But point still stands. Kid knows nothing of what hip hop is and doesn't care to know. It's just sad that kids these days won't acknowledge the greats. That's the fucking issue. And taking offense to that goes back to my oldest backpack sentimentality. I was a B-Boy in high school before i ever started writing. And regardless of what you think about my music, or me as a person, my understanding of the game and who the pioneers were is pretty substantial. I still love hip hop even tho it's never loved me back. These kids listen to these hollow rappers and its just ridiculous how far we've gotten away from what truly made this game great.

Fuck what you think Vic, i still respect your opinion of hip hop way more than 99% of kids 10 years younger than me. And i can't stand people like you. I think you've lived of front street your whole life. But i BET you've got a record in your CD collection somewhere we could agree to listen to. That's what was beautiful about this shit for so long.



I play video games bro


Just not online or go in online parties anymore


I used to


I was just trolling my g

[Witty]

I'm with Hush on this one.

I have no patience for online play these days.

[the Munster]

That dude prolly more so like how I was at 19. Not only did I not fuck with pac I didn’t even get it

Now as I’m older I get why he is considered goat by many but he wouldn’t be on my top five personally.

[the Munster]

I play video games online. I don’t really have any “video game friends” tho, my homies in real life are on the game. And you can’t play apex unless your online so how do you play apex? I’m confused