Election Day 2020

[Answer]

Preemptive thread to talk about Election Day tomorrow. Ive got friends in DC who have sent pics of a lot of businesses boarding up their windows in advance in anticipation of potential riots. Doesn’t really matter who wins, it’s gonna be a shit show regardless.

2/3rds of the 2016 election turnout have already voted. There’s speculation it could be the largest voter turnout in history. With the pandemic and mail-in voting thrown into the equation, the results are going to take longer than a single day to process. It may take a week before there’s an official winner announced. There’s speculation that people from foreign countries are going to try to use that period of time as a way to discredit the validity of the election process.

If it’s anything like the Florida recount, if they dispute any voting legitimacy on a federal level it will pivot to the Supreme Court which will essentially be in control of who wins the election, and unsurprisingly its an uncontested conservative majority, 3 of which were appointed during the Trump administration.

So all in all, this is gonna be lots of fun. It doesnt matter if you’re classified as a minority or a straight white upper-class male, if I could dig up the corpse of every dead soldier or civilian that lost their life to give you the opportunity to vote, I could use their dead bodies to pack every inch of your house..there’s no reason for 30% of the population to not be exercising the right that others fought, bled, and died for.

Vote Biden, vote Trump, vote Jorgensen, vote Kanye. Idc, just get out and vote.

[Sharp]

what are we betting on gang

who you got?

how they do it?

surprise flips?

[Dope girl]

Biden still in the lead

[Eviction]

if kanye wins that will be the darkest day.

[Sinacog]

Oh, Hello -- Answer. It's AJ The Menace.

I wondered if you could follow me for a battle? You set it up.

100 BARS?

Let's do this, Answer.

[Sinacog]

We all know if you vote for Biden -- you don't know jack shit.

It's all about Trump, Donald Trump.

The one that trumped all those president's of the past?

LMAO!

It's about time he earn some respect around here.

What is Biden gonna' do besides be a mark on the presidency and country.

I saw TRUMP WINS HANDS DOWN --

[Sinacog]

Answer, let's battle.

It's, AJ THE MENACE.

[Geno]

Jesus christ.

[Eviction]

if kanye gets it kim will make him pardon every weirdo in prison, she can make trump do that too tho

[Finnydot]

If Trump gets another term, I'm not saying I'm buying a gun to join the NRA-backwater-country-rednecks that voted for him. I'm buying one so i can PROTECT myself from the NRA-backwater-country-rednecks that voted for him.

[Orc]

Sinacog supports Trump, what an eye opener

[Eviction]

If Trump gets another term, I'm not saying I'm buying a gun to join the NRA-backwater-country-rednecks that voted for him. I'm buying one so i can PROTECT myself from the NRA-backwater-country-rednecks that voted for him.

if biden gets elected and they come for your guns are you going to say here you go sir!

here you go sir, how much are you going to increase my taxes by sir, I can't wait!

[Answer]

if biden gets elected and they come for your guns are you going to say here you go sir!

here you go sir, how much are you going to increase my taxes by sir, I can't wait!

These are literally the worst arguments. They spent 8 years talking about Obama coming for guns when Biden was VP, it never happened because that’s fear-mongering horse shit. Bidens been in politics for over 40 years, he’s not going to suddenly change his position to aggressive anti-gun policies now. nobody gives a shit about your guns.

[Smod of War]

I’m dropping 16 trump gunbars vs Cred tomorrow

[Eviction]

These are literally the worst arguments. They spent 8 years talking about Obama coming for guns when Biden was VP, it never happened because that’s fear-mongering horse shit. Bidens been in politics for over 40 years, he’s not going to suddenly change his position to aggressive anti-gun policies now. nobody gives a shit about your guns.

you're just mad Hillary didn't win last election.

[Destroyer]

Sinacog supports Trump, what an eye opener

Yeah, it’s a good thing 14 year-olds can’t vote

[Eviction]

Yeah, it’s a good thing 14 year-olds can’t vote

They would probably make a better decision than some adults tbh.

[Destroyer]

Ahh found the other one

[Orc]

Yeah, it’s a good thing 14 year-olds can’t vote

True, plenty of middle aged white racists to worry about though

[Smod of War]

True because only white people can be racist

[Destroyer]

everyone is a lipist, zelph

[Orc]

Zelph with the philosophical rebuttal, I’m logging off for the day

Good luck America

[Answer]

you're just mad Hillary didn't win last election.

I don’t really care who wins tbh as long as this thread does numbers

[Answer]

Oh, Hello -- Answer. It's AJ The Menace.

I wondered if you could follow me for a battle? You set it up.

100 BARS?

Let's do this, Answer.

im kind of busy at the moment, but for you i'll do a cool 100. set her up

[Eviction]

Yea idc about either candidate

[Sharp]

if biden gets elected and they come for your guns are you going to say here you go sir!

here you go sir, how much are you going to increase my taxes by sir, I can't wait!
lold at finny having taxable income

Sorry finny

[Blue Bayou]

$15 min wage for the win

[Amen]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2vVA_X-S1o

[Geno]

If Trump gets another term, I'm not saying I'm buying a gun to join the NRA-backwater-country-rednecks that voted for him. I'm buying one so i can PROTECT myself from the NRA-backwater-country-rednecks that voted for him.

This

[Destroyer]

Shit.
I bought THAT gun a long time ago

[Vengeance]

Answer: "Ive got friends in DC who have sent pics of a lot of businesses boarding up their windows in advance in anticipation of potential riots."

ehh, propertarians love a story which panders to the idea that Black lives are less important than businesses.

"the results are going to take longer than a single day to process. It may take a week before there’s an official winner announced."

The results have literally never been announced on election day. It's Trump fear-mongering propaganda

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/01/us/politics/trump-ballot-counting-election.html?fbclid=IwAR3V40vKUu0-3fYWkdZVe0YMcdlWByKlcnX_81HzgKwny_WQYcr0j5oj8to

"There’s speculation that people from foreign countries are going to try to use that period of time as a way to discredit the validity of the election process."

Trump and the Republicans are the ones preemptively attempting to discredit the election. Any speculation about outsiders doing the same is an attempt to shift focus.

"So all in all, this is gonna be lots of fun."

Is this sarcasm?

"It doesnt matter if you’re classified as a minority or a straight white upper-class male, if I could dig up the corpse of every dead soldier or civilian that lost their life to give you the opportunity to vote, I could use their dead bodies to pack every inch of your house..there’s no reason for 30% of the population to not be exercising the right that others fought, bled, and died for.

Vote Biden, vote Trump, vote Jorgensen, vote Kanye. Idc, just get out and vote."

Ehhh, touting voting like it is the pinnacle of community engagement and a 'duty' etc. etc. is at the heart of the problem. Electorialism is an illusion of participatory politics. Get involved in some mutual aid, get to know your neighbours, find out what's being organised on the ground where you are. Yeah, voting to make sure fascists and right-wing goons don't incite white supremacist reactionary violence in your area is a gesture but it's literally the least you can do. Vote-shaming, especially ''just get out and vote'' as if voting is inherently positive is meaningless.

[Inno]

Trump got florida smh

Godam cubans

[Vengeance]

If Trump gets another term, I'm not saying I'm buying a gun to join the NRA-backwater-country-rednecks that voted for him. I'm buying one so i can PROTECT myself from the NRA-backwater-country-rednecks that voted for him.

Sssshit. I hope it doesn't come to that. But a lot of white supremacists intend to get active if Trump loses too, so things aren't necessarily going to be less dangerous just because Biden wins.

[Vengeance]

you're just mad Hillary didn't win last election.

I thought you were talking about guns? Don't shift the goalposts just because your point was eviscerated.

[Vengeance]

True because only white people can be racist

"Reverse racism" doesn't exist. Racism isn't "someone said something bad to another person", it is *systemic, structural and, institutional*. Unless all of the social systems, structures and, institutions are entirely overhauled from their current white supremacist function then no, racism against white people literally *cannot* exist.

[Vengeance]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2vVA_X-S1o

You watch this ruling class white supremacy crap?

[Vengeance]

Live now:

https://www.democracynow.org/live/election_night_2020_coverage_with_democracy

[Eviction]

all your points are invalidated since it took you back to back posts to make them.

[Eviction]

they're talking about the pandemic, I'm just wondering what they're going to do about these god damn murder hornets.

[Inno]

looks like trump is on his way so far

[Vengeance]

all your points are invalidated since it took you back to back posts to make them.

a] I responded to four different people. My point to you I made in one. You don't have an argument.

b] You literally posted back-to-back posts in response. Hilarious ignorance.

[Vengeance]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2020/nov/03/us-election-2020-live-results-donald-trump-joe-biden-who-won-presidential-republican-democrat

[Smod of War]

"Reverse racism" doesn't exist. Racism isn't "someone said something bad to another person", it is *systemic, structural and, institutional*. Unless all of the social systems, structures and, institutions are entirely overhauled from their current white supremacist function then no, racism against white people literally *cannot* exist.

You’re literally retarded congrats!

[Inno]

According to vengeance david duke is mis understood

[Pharaohs Army]

"Reverse racism" doesn't exist. Racism isn't "someone said something bad to another person", it is *systemic, structural and, institutional*. Unless all of the social systems, structures and, institutions are entirely overhauled from their current white supremacist function then no, racism against white people literally *cannot* exist.

Wrong.

Systemic, structural, and institutional is ONE type of racism.
Racism can also exist at the individual and group level.

You don't think a black person can be racist towards whites?
Grow up.

How 'bout an Asian person who is racist towards blacks.

How 'bout a Native American who is racist towards Mexicans. Or a Mexican who hates Native Americans.

There is also sytemic racism towards whites and asians, mainly when it comes to college admission at institutions of higher learning. By that I mean affirmative action or quotas.
I'm certainly not EQUATING this with the systemic racism that blacks have to deal with in multiple institutions. But I am simply pointing out that it does exist, despite your narrow definition.

And, I lean left before you accuse me of being a right-wing supremist.

[Eviction]

a] I responded to four different people. My point to you I made in one. You don't have an argument.

b] You literally posted back-to-back posts in response. Hilarious ignorance.


c) you had a page full of back to back posts, LMFAO

[El Muffin]

Sssshit. I hope it doesn't come to that. But a lot of white supremacists intend to get active if Trump loses too, so things aren't necessarily going to be less dangerous just because Biden wins.

They “intend “to do nothing but slink back inti their armchairs n stfu

Armchair revolutionaries can suck my dick

This civil war talk That’s circling is amusing

[uh-oh]

sup guys

[Finnydot]

sup guys

Looks like Biden got it according to Google.

Sorry, bruh.

[Amen]

Looks like Biden got it according to Google.

Sorry, bruh.

No ones got it yet.

[Answer]

50,000 people in Wisconsin really out here voting for a 3rd party when the Trump has 1,609,000 votes and Biden has 1,630,000 votes

Where the fuck u at Aero if I find out you voted Jorgensen I’m beating that ass

[Vengeance]

You’re literally retarded congrats!

The ableism really made the convincing case that life is hard for whites under hundreds of years of racism. Compelling argument.

[Vengeance]

According to vengeance david duke is mis understood

no, the exact opposite. anti-racists understand well that David Duke shares these nonsense white supremacist talking points that white people are under threat.

[Vengeance]

Wrong.

Systemic, structural, and institutional is ONE type of racism.
Racism can also exist at the individual and group level.

You don't think a black person can be racist towards whites?
Grow up.

How 'bout an Asian person who is racist towards blacks.

How 'bout a Native American who is racist towards Mexicans. Or a Mexican who hates Native Americans.

There is also sytemic racism towards whites and asians, mainly when it comes to college admission at institutions of higher learning. By that I mean affirmative action or quotas.
I'm certainly not EQUATING this with the systemic racism that blacks have to deal with in multiple institutions. But I am simply pointing out that it does exist, despite your narrow definition.

And, I lean left before you accuse me of being a right-wing supremist.

in many ways, centrist politics are more dangerous than those of the right, you're the people out here providing their cover, boldiy demanding that 'racism against whites' is recognised. there's nothing left-leaning about what you're doing.

affirmative action is not systemic racism. why is there always such dedication and desperation for establishing white people as oppressed on racial grounds? the tree of white supremacy has exactly zero cherries to pick.

interrupting conversations about white supremacy with alleged 'exceptions to the rule' is just a bad move.

[Vengeance]

c) you had a page full of back to back posts, LMFAO

yes, each with a cogent point. try it sometime.

[Vengeance]

They “intend “to do nothing but slink back inti their armchairs n stfu

Armchair revolutionaries can suck my dick

This civil war talk That’s circling is amusing

They are literally being monitored, exposed and in some cases have been arrested for their white supremacist organising.

Thinking emboldened, state-supported armed ethno-nationalists are ''amusing'' is either sociopathic, ignorant, naive or a mix of the three.

Whether their acts may amount to a civil war is really not the issue, but rather the reality of their existence and potential for further violence.

[Vengeance]

sup guys

hey. I see Trump got Ohio again.

[Vengeance]

Looks like Biden got it according to Google.

Sorry, bruh.

nah, it's not definitive.

[Pharaohs Army]

in many ways, centrist politics are more dangerous than those of the right, you're the people out here providing their cover, boldiy demanding that 'racism against whites' is recognised. there's nothing left-leaning about what you're doing.

affirmative action is not systemic racism. why is there always such dedication and desperation for establishing white people as oppressed on racial grounds? the tree of white supremacy has exactly zero cherries to pick.

interrupting conversations about white supremacy with alleged 'exceptions to the rule' is just a bad move.

You're missing my point.
Let's forget about my "exception to the rule" example of affirmative action and quotas, and focus on my first point.
That racism is not soley institutional and systemic.

You're forgetting group and individual racism.
I.e. a group of black people could be racist towards whites. Or hispanics. Or whatever.
A group of Hispanics could be racist towards whites.

Just because it doesn't fit your agenda, doesn't mean you can throw out half the definition of racism.

[Vengeance]

You're missing my point.
Let's forget about my "exception to the rule" example of affirmative action and quotas, and focus on my first point.
That racism is not soley institutional and systemic.

You're forgetting group and individual racism.
I.e. a group of black people could be racist towards whites. Or hispanics. Or whatever.
A group of Hispanics could be racist towards whites.

Just because it doesn't fit your agenda, doesn't mean you can throw out half the definition of racism.

I don't entertain centrist political agendas masquerading as "impartial and objective". The invisibility of the ''apolitical'', of appeals to ''realism'', is exactly how the normative and how hegemonic ideology operates.

No, white people don't face racism. What white people used to think racism was has long since been debunked as, *drumroll*, white neutralising propaganda. Surprise surprise, white people were wrong about what constitutes racism and if you're motivated to spend your time seeking some exceptional weird clauses for whiteness under attack the onus is on you to ask why that is motivational for you. White supremacy is the dominant global force but you find it pertinent to quibble about racism against white people, its standard centrist equivocation and refusal to acknowledge that understandings evolve, either with or without you.

[Eviction]

yes, each with a cogent point. try it sometime.

Yea I couldn't find a redeeming point in any of those posts my guy.

[El Muffin]

They are literally being monitored, exposed and in some cases have been arrested for their white supremacist organising.

Thinking emboldened, state-supported armed ethno-nationalists are ''amusing'' is either sociopathic, ignorant, naive or a mix of the three.

Whether their acts may amount to a civil war is really not the issue, but rather the reality of their existence and potential for further violence.

“Arrested for organizing “ lmao

There will always be sects of irate white people .. and your occasional Dylan roofs will emerge ..

How should I feel then.. if not amused ? Afraid that they will hunt POC like myself upon Biden winning ? Fuck those clowns . I didn’t even vote for Biden and I got some honkey tonk mfs congregating wishing for my death

That shit is hilarious to me . Naïveté my ass. I acknowledge their capabilities .. but what lies behind their theorizing is very much amusing . Sociopath me up boss . I could care less

Like Come on Dylan . Want my address?

[Eviction]

Donald Trump says he fears prosecution if biden win, whatever that means.

[Smod of War]

Woohoo let’s go BIDEN!!!

[Answer]

They’ve called the election for Biden. Trump is still going to file his lawsuits and draw out the process and get recounts, so who knows what will happen next, but Biden has officially won

[uh-oh]

so what happens if trump proves fraud tho

does the nation revote? they don't just give it over to him right?

or do they investigate all the fraud and somehow remove only the fraudulent ballots and recount?

what a shit show

[Answer]

Trump isn’t going to prove fraud because there wasn’t a valid claim for fraud. He’s literally suing like 6 different states. The level of organization that would be needed to commit fraud with nationwide coordination is far beyond anything that’s possible to implement without detection. If fraud came down to one state, then fine, that’s in the realm of possibility. But if you’re filing 6 different lawsuits on different states and the lawsuits are based on counting legal and late votes, not election fraud itself, you’re not exposing fraud, you’re just throwing a bunch of shit at the wall and hoping something sticks

[uh-oh]

Trump isn’t going to prove fraud because there wasn’t a valid claim for fraud. He’s literally suing like 6 different states. The level of organization that would be needed to commit fraud with nationwide coordination is far beyond anything that’s possible to implement without detection. If fraud came down to one state, then fine, that’s in the realm of possibility. But if you’re filing 6 different lawsuits on different states and the lawsuits are based on counting legal and late votes, not election fraud itself, you’re not exposing fraud, you’re just throwing a bunch of shit at the wall and hoping something sticks

so what happens if trump proves fraud tho?

[Smod of War]

Biden won, America lost.

[El Muffin]

There isn’t a valid claim nigga. Just give it up

Good riddance

[Objective]

There isn’t a valid claim nigga. Just give it up

Good riddance

That wasn't the question tho. What IF it was, what would happen then?

[El Muffin]

Unprecedented

I have no idea and I don’t know how anyone would know feel me

I’ll say this .. if there’s any evidence of such .. id have no qualms with this entire thing being invalidated

But it’s a pathetic reach just like all of the claims being made that get proven otherwise minutes after they start circling

“Voter fraud voter fraud voter fraud “

Watch the outcry completely die once nothing comes of anything

[Objective]

Ofc his claims is bs, I'm just interested to know what'd happen if it was true. Someone knows tho

[Amen]

America certainly took a big L.

Jesus have mercy on our souls.

Expect deployments at an all time high.

[uh-oh]

Ofc his claims is bs, I'm just interested to know what'd happen if it was true. Someone knows tho

yea im curious honestly

watched rudy giulianis press conference earlier, seems fairly weak and mostly focused on the observers not being granted access and kept to far away to observe anything. but there was more mention of tons of dead voters

im just wondering if thats proven do those votes just get thrown out or do they have to revote/recount etc

and its all state by state.

[Eviction]

This is why I stopped caring about this shit, biden isn't going to do anything different than trump did.

[Diode]

There were dead voters ON THE ROLLS. Which is normal because dead people can't notify the electors that they're dead.

None of them, literally none, voted in this election.

[Amen]

What if they mailed in their ballot and died of covid? Lol does it still count because if it wasn’t for COVID and their weak immune system they’d still be alive, right?

Fuck politics.

[Destroyer]

Yeah it still counts
Jesus Christ you’re dumb as fuck
I hope your kid goes pro, for your sake

[Dominate]

Trump has gone full Barcotic.

[Eviction]

Trump has gone full Barcotic.

he doesn't complain that much.

[Geno]

There climb taxes.

[Objective]

Taxes are good for the country as a whole though. Lowers crime rate, better services for everyone and also what makes healthcare in most developed nations affordable among other things. Yall just gotta figure out that last part and protest for it but I doubt that will happen, unfortunately for you guys

[Sharp]

First tax that's going up is likely corporate, and probably just going back up to the pre-trump 28%

Don't think that'll effect anyone here

[Smod of War]

Some of us are doctors ya know

[Ajax]

It’ll affect some of us. Just not the ones complaining about it.

[Destroyer]

Some of us are doctors ya know

And some of us aren’t

[El Muffin]

It’ll affect some of us. Just not the ones complaining about it.

On point


Idk whY these Trump cakes who drink PBR are acting a goddamn fool

They reaching like a mf

Crazy .. because a lot of ppl didn’t do that w/ Trump

Only thing I’ve been affected ( to the point where it resonates ) by is Covid..

Liberals talk shit during his presidency but it was more so things of a personal nature .. comments etc

Not policies

Bro I ain’t stressed about neither of them being in office

[Objective]

Yes, positive changes will have an effect on some in both directions. Who would have known positive change would mean take some and give some? Think about what it does in the long run for your country and people that do benefit from it. Unless you're 100% self centered (unfortunately a stereotype of Americans) you'll welcome these changes. If your budgeting is on a paycheck to paycheck basis the issue lies elsewhere than a smaller raise in taxes

[Ajax]

Yes, positive changes will have an effect on some in both directions. Who would have known positive change would mean take some and give some? Think about what it does in the long run for your country and people that do benefit from it. Unless you're 100% self centered (unfortunately a stereotype of Americans) you'll welcome these changes. If your budgeting is on a paycheck to paycheck basis the issue lies elsewhere than a smaller raise in taxes

All true. But the real point is that taxes won’t be raised on most people, and there are likely only a handful of people on this board that it would affect. It’s a strange irony in this country that 90%+ of the people that would go to mattresses over the principle of “don’t increase taxes” don’t actually get their taxes increased when democrats/progressives set policy....

[Objective]

Ajax: Word, I don't think they're completely to blame. The fear mongering and media has a huge play on this, not to mention the backwards way of going about it. The hate "Obamacare", more suitably known as MedicAid, got from people actually needing it didn't hit home until it was gone, and we're talking otherwise smart and reflected people too. Shit like that don't change over night. We like to think we're not easily manipulated by biased news stations and anchors, google results, youtube vids and so forth but the US is among the top countries in the world when it comes to dealing with the population. The top 1% and the top 1% of that again got a strong hold on the US from the inside, which any country deals with but enough pressure forces them to agree on some things regardless that'd benefit everyone but themselves in the end. The money they'd lose is not of significant value either.

The documentary the Social Dilemma touches on this a little bit, and when I visited the US discussing politics was on a completely different vibe than what I've experienced any other place while traveling. I've been to Spain 3 times, Egypt, Italy, Russia, Switzerland. Was together with a girl from Sweden that has their own issues and a friend lived in Denmark for a while. I got online friends I've discussed for hours with from Chile, Egypt, Poland, Bulgaria and probably some other places I don't remember right away, but I feel it's quite a bit to go from in terms of political awareness and general views from all kinds of perspectives. A friend/acquaintance of mine is in the top 1% in Norway, and I know dealers and addicts personally. Had plenty of conversations with people from China, Netherlands and so on. However, a dude when I visited the US even asked me: "Now that you've been here a couple weeks, wouldn't you love to move here?" I've never gotten a question like that from ANYONE and my reply was simply: "Nah, I prefer to keep my free healthcare" and the car went dead silent, lol. When I asked if I was too upfront the others did back me up on this though. What scared me the most is how shielded from the rest of the country most people are (lots haven't even vacated outside of the US, let alone their own state!), how public transportation gets hate despite the fact it'd make traffic flow better and for people to get around cities more fluently.
There's so many things that benefit the people a portion of the population don't like for no good reason (even upper middle class and smaller business owners), and going against it only benefit the top 1%. Call me a conspiracy nut but I don't think that's a coincidence.

When Patriotism and "The American Way" become more important than actually improving the country as a whole regardless of which party is in charge something is seriously skewed from an outside perspective. A friend of mine is a politician for the right wing here in Norway and supported Trump on the basis that a Republican party is better than a Democratic one (fair). We discussed further in terms of healthcare etc. and he simply said there's no system that is without failures and things to improve without talking too much more about it cus he agreed that part is a bit fucked and could be dealt with differently.
Despite being part of our constitution that everyone has a right to shelter, healthcare and food it's such a fundamental need everyone is for it. The right wing, and not only because it'd hurt their program, believes this is a good thing that uplifts the country. Lowering homelessness and being able to aid people properly is the first step to deal with crime. Crime itself is usually a direct result from socio economic issues, addiction or not being able to support oneself from one or two jobs alone is enough to tip anyone over.

Why the average joe and intelligent people don't see this in the US is interesting to discuss the nature of. Specially in terms of taxes, if you pay too much you get it back anyways. The difference is miniscule even if it should affect most people as well, fight harder to raise the minimum wage so that it won't be that bad. In terms of the latter it's just not possible to achieve cus of how the country is set up, and how fucked you'd be without a job, so power to fight the power is already an isolated issue that should have put you in a fit of rage already. When things back to normal I can only hope the majority of the US sees this as well and take necessary action for positive change although it'd suck for a little while first. I'm legit saddened by the state of the US and how the country is ran, love a majority of everything else the US got to offer though (interesting history, music, entertainment, culture and trends etc.). Not to mention the openness and friendly nature (albeit at times fake) y'all got. Beautiful scenery too a lot of people don't get to see cus a lot of you get 2 weeks vacation a year, fuck... The US got so much potential to honestly be the #1 country in the world but alas, it is not in way too many areas. My heart and thoughts go out to you all in terms of this.

[Ghost1]

Ajax: Word, I don't think they're completely to blame. The fear mongering and media has a huge play on this, not to mention the backwards way of going about it. The hate "Obamacare", more suitably known as MedicAid, got from people actually needing it didn't hit home until it was gone, and we're talking otherwise smart and reflected people too. Shit like that don't change over night. We like to think we're not easily manipulated by biased news stations and anchors, google results, youtube vids and so forth but the US is among the top countries in the world when it comes to dealing with the population. The top 1% and the top 1% of that again got a strong hold on the US from the inside, which any country deals with but enough pressure forces them to agree on some things regardless that'd benefit everyone but themselves in the end. The money they'd lose is not of significant value either.

The documentary the Social Dilemma touches on this a little bit, and when I visited the US discussing politics was on a completely different vibe than what I've experienced any other place while traveling. I've been to Spain 3 times, Egypt, Italy, Russia, Switzerland. Was together with a girl from Sweden that has their own issues and a friend lived in Denmark for a while. I got online friends I've discussed for hours with from Chile, Egypt, Poland, Bulgaria and probably some other places I don't remember right away, but I feel it's quite a bit to go from in terms of political awareness and general views from all kinds of perspectives. A friend/acquaintance of mine is in the top 1% in Norway, and I know dealers and addicts personally. Had plenty of conversations with people from China, Netherlands and so on. However, a dude when I visited the US even asked me: "Now that you've been here a couple weeks, wouldn't you love to move here?" I've never gotten a question like that from ANYONE and my reply was simply: "Nah, I prefer to keep my free healthcare" and the car went dead silent, lol. When I asked if I was too upfront the others did back me up on this though. What scared me the most is how shielded from the rest of the country most people are (lots haven't even vacated outside of the US, let alone their own state!), how public transportation gets hate despite the fact it'd make traffic flow better and for people to get around cities more fluently.
There's so many things that benefit the people a portion of the population don't like for no good reason (even upper middle class and smaller business owners), and going against it only benefit the top 1%. Call me a conspiracy nut but I don't think that's a coincidence.

When Patriotism and "The American Way" become more important than actually improving the country as a whole regardless of which party is in charge something is seriously skewed from an outside perspective. A friend of mine is a politician for the right wing here in Norway and supported Trump on the basis that a Republican party is better than a Democratic one (fair). We discussed further in terms of healthcare etc. and he simply said there's no system that is without failures and things to improve without talking too much more about it cus he agreed that part is a bit fucked and could be dealt with differently.
Despite being part of our constitution that everyone has a right to shelter, healthcare and food it's such a fundamental need everyone is for it. The right wing, and not only because it'd hurt their program, believes this is a good thing that uplifts the country. Lowering homelessness and being able to aid people properly is the first step to deal with crime. Crime itself is usually a direct result from socio economic issues, addiction or not being able to support oneself from one or two jobs alone is enough to tip anyone over.

Why the average joe and intelligent people don't see this in the US is interesting to discuss the nature of. Specially in terms of taxes, if you pay too much you get it back anyways. The difference is miniscule even if it should affect most people as well, fight harder to raise the minimum wage so that it won't be that bad. In terms of the latter it's just not possible to achieve cus of how the country is set up, and how fucked you'd be without a job, so power to fight the power is already an isolated issue that should have put you in a fit of rage already. When things back to normal I can only hope the majority of the US sees this as well and take necessary action for positive change although it'd suck for a little while first. I'm legit saddened by the state of the US and how the country is ran, love a majority of everything else the US got to offer though (interesting history, music, entertainment, culture and trends etc.). Not to mention the openness and friendly nature (albeit at times fake) y'all got. Beautiful scenery too a lot of people don't get to see cus a lot of you get 2 weeks vacation a year, fuck... The US got so much potential to honestly be the #1 country in the world but alas, it is not in way too many areas. My heart and thoughts go out to you all in terms of this.

Stopped reading after this fucking moron called the affordable care act medicaid

STFU idiot

Where do u live again ? Noruigia? Shit sound like a mario kart character

Fucking negged. Lol at 4 paragraphs.

[Amen]

Some of us are doctors ya know

You’re a CNA for the military, stop.

[Smod of War]

Stopped reading after this fucking moron called the affordable care act medicaid

STFU idiot

Where do u live again ? Noruigia? Shit sound like a mario kart character

Fucking negged. Lol at 4 paragraphs.

Goneeeee

[Eviction]

You're not going to be taking tax increases lightly when you're paying $20 for a gallon of milk. haaha.

I noticed when obama was pres taxes on shit like that increased, if I recall that's when gas was at its highest prices too.

A lot of people are slap their nuts happy over the stimulus packages when we are just going to have to pay the shit back down the road.

[El Muffin]

Mannn my department got disbanded due to covid

I ain’t getting much back anyway

Hit me with the stimmy partna idc lmaooo

I hear you Eviction .. but I’m just one of many who could care less ( in regards to paying it back ) . That’s all

Honestly could careless if we got another check either tho . I’m straight

[Sharp]

lol @ how close this thread is to 'thank you President Trump for the lowest gas prices we've seen in years!'

This is why I don't have fb

[Diode]

your taxes are going up in 2021 regardless because that's how trump paid for the corporate tax cuts. graduated increases from 2021 forward.

but the GOP will blame Biden, ofc.

[Destroyer]

It’s funny when people use Trump and “policies” in the same thought as though he can even have a complete one in that dye-ridden vacuous orange head

[Ajax]

You're not going to be taking tax increases lightly when you're paying $20 for a gallon of milk. haaha.

I noticed when obama was pres taxes on shit like that increased, if I recall that's when gas was at its highest prices too.

A lot of people are slap their nuts happy over the stimulus packages when we are just going to have to pay the shit back down the road.

No offense, but this just isn’t accurate. Gas prices actually went down significantly under Obama (after they leveled back off following the credit crisis). Because the price of oil wasn’t tied at all to Obama’s regulations/policies.

And no one, in the history of the US, has ever had to pay anything close to $20 for a gallon of milk. The highest price milk has ever gone for was during G Dub’s tenure. It went down under Obama.

People have the weirdest preconceptions about what happens during Democrat tenures. They always assume that prices go up on everything. It never happens. There tend to be minor increases on income and corporate taxes that disproportionately impact really wealthy people. But, day to day, prices on everyday goods stay the same or go down.

[Answer]

To be fair, Trump did help lower gas prices. It might've dislocated thousands of workers in the oil industry, killed 230,000 americans, and put thousands of mom & pop stores and teetering businesses out of commission forever, but I can fill up the whole tank for only $20

[big baby]

Stopped reading after this fucking moron called the affordable care act medicaid

STFU idiot

Where do u live again ? Noruigia? Shit sound like a mario kart character

Fucking negged. Lol at 4 paragraphs.

gone @ waluiguia

[Eviction]

No offense, but this just isn’t accurate. Gas prices actually went down significantly under Obama (after they leveled back off following the credit crisis). Because the price of oil wasn’t tied at all to Obama’s regulations/policies.

And no one, in the history of the US, has ever had to pay anything close to $20 for a gallon of milk. The highest price milk has ever gone for was during G Dub’s tenure. It went down under Obama.

People have the weirdest preconceptions about what happens during Democrat tenures. They always assume that prices go up on everything. It never happens. There tend to be minor increases on income and corporate taxes that disproportionately impact really wealthy people. But, day to day, prices on everyday goods stay the same or go down.

I guess it's hard to tell when someone is exaggerating online.

gas prices has been considerably lower since trump, but I was just making some examples.

[fraze]

To be fair, Trump did help lower gas prices. It might've dislocated thousands of workers in the oil industry, killed 230,000 americans, and put thousands of mom & pop stores and teetering businesses out of commission forever, but I can fill up the whole tank for only $20

Low gas prices are because of a pricing war between Russia and the Saudis. Trump deserves zero credit for that.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2020/03/21/gas-prices-drop-u-s-amid-coronavirus-pandemic-and-oil-price-war/2890942001/#

[Eviction]

highest was 4.11 according to my research in 2008 a year before obama.

[El Muffin]

Breaking news

Recount done by hand in Georgia

OH LAWD

whyyyy tho? Discrepancies? What spurns these type of things?

[Ajax]

I guess it's hard to tell when someone is exaggerating online.

gas prices has been considerably lower since trump, but I was just making some examples.

Of course you were exaggerating. But you were trying to make a point that is nonsense. The two examples you came up with were both factually wrong... because you have the incorrect notion (probably based off the media you watch or the misinformed people around you) that prices for retail goods skyrocket under Democrats. They do not. That is pure fiction, whether you say $20 a gallon or $5 a gallon.

[uh-oh]

Low gas prices are because of a pricing war between Russia and the Saudis. Trump deserves zero credit for that.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2020/03/21/gas-prices-drop-u-s-amid-coronavirus-pandemic-and-oil-price-war/2890942001/#

for that specific part of it sure, but the US became energy independent under t-bird which contributes hugely to the price at the pump. thats going to disappear quickly with ol bide dawg coming in tho. but whats gas prices when we can all unite under the corrupt establishment? unity is what its all about folks

[Eviction]

I saw somewhere that trump is refusing to do his job until the election is settled, I think he is starting to realize they ain't going to give his case any play, and he got kicked from multiple court rooms.

also my buddy said they got the same people that counted the coronavirus cases to count the votes haha.