View Full Version : who tryna get vaccinated though?
Pakistani Hand Cannon
11-10-2020, 01:44 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3Tsy255_Co&feature=emb_logo
mostly just information.
do what you will with it.
Objective
11-10-2020, 01:51 AM
I'm not getting my hopes up yet
Smod of War
11-10-2020, 01:58 AM
I'm not getting my hopes up yet
You should explain this in grave detail
Objective
11-10-2020, 02:10 AM
No, I just need to stop posting.
I'm pretty sure I got Corona before it was a thing. I never get sick, and last winter I went down really really hard.
Pretty sure I even posted about it on here during the time... I smokes with ciggawettes.. and weed, and drink daily. I was so sick I didn't do any of that. Just trying to give yall niggas a gauge on how sick I was. And it lasted like a week and a half... I was like delirious and shit I changed my shirt, underwear twice a night because i'd sweat it out. I'm pretty sure I had covid before covid was covid. I've had the flu before, and of course colds and whatever... but this was on another level. As far as the vaccine or whatever..
thats all bullshit conjecture vaccine means cure, there is no cure
and that year that I got all that sick I got a flu shot, I'm not even joking it may have been corona before we called it a name
my wife got it too, I don't wish that on anyone except for these dumb racist trump redneck people who don't wear the mask in the grocery store.. i'm not a hateful person so I don't wish they would die... but I wish they would get hella sick.
Where I live you don't even know... I grew up in a city... so theres poor ghetto shit, its just slightly different. Now I live in a redneck racist area... trailer rash... only people who are good looking and dress themselves right are the college kids from Mt. Pleasant.. the rest, not all.. some have a sense of integrity... but majority are wearing pajama pants with cigarettes' burn holes in them wearing a camo hat that says trump on it
Eviction
11-16-2020, 01:34 AM
It's probably like the flu shot and will make you sick if you get the vaccine.
Pakistani Hand Cannon
12-01-2020, 02:12 AM
Ouch you dumb dumb dumb muthafucka i swear
So I’m supposed to believe the vaccine is 90%+ effective after 8 months of development, when the flu vaccine is only 40% effective after 70 years? I’m good on any vaccine, my immune system >>>>>>
Also why would anyone take a vaccine that’s less than 100% effective for a virus with a 99.9% survival rate? THAT MATH DONT ADD UP
Answer
12-01-2020, 10:48 AM
So I’m supposed to believe the vaccine is 90%+ effective after 8 months of development, when the flu vaccine is only 40% effective after 70 years? I’m good on any vaccine, my immune system >>>>>>
Also why would anyone take a vaccine that’s less than 100% effective for a virus with a 99.9% survival rate? THAT MATH DONT ADD UP
after reading this, your votes make sense now
after reading this, your votes make sense now
You can do better than that
Smod of War
12-01-2020, 11:04 AM
It's probably like the flu shot and will make you sick if you get the vaccine.
This is a misconception
Eviction
12-01-2020, 01:32 PM
not if its anything like the flu shot, every time my mom got that she got sick right after.
Pharaohs Army
12-01-2020, 11:31 PM
not if its anything like the flu shot, every time my mom got that she got sick right after.
When I was younger I hated anti-vaxers because they seem to be an affront to science.
Now that I'm older, I've heard hundreds, THOUSANDS of people saying the same thing about vaccines.
It's got to be more than conspiracy theories and misinformation.
Vaccines have a lot of ingredients and should not be taken lightly.
My doc said if there's any year to get the (regular)flu shot now's the year
But I think I'm just gonna roll the dice. Because
I've literally been scared by a family member and other anti-vaxers
These things now sound worse than the flu they're supposed to stop.
COVID: we'll see.
I've smoked for almost 20 years so with my lung condition I'm probably an at-risk person so maybe I should get the covid vax. I'll see how other people respond to it first.
fraze
12-02-2020, 03:26 AM
There are 4 different approved vaccines. Only two of them are mRNA vaccines (pfizer, moderna). If you don't like the risks there (which should be close to zero, but honestly who knows) pick one of the other vaccines.
fraze
12-02-2020, 03:31 AM
So I’m supposed to believe the vaccine is 90%+ effective after 8 months of development, when the flu vaccine is only 40% effective after 70 years? I’m good on any vaccine, my immune system >>>>>>
Also why would anyone take a vaccine that’s less than 100% effective for a virus with a 99.9% survival rate? THAT MATH DONT ADD UP
The reason why the effectiveness is so high is because they're using the technique described in the op. The vaccine is basically the rna for the protein sequence that creates the virus' spike protein (the thing that lets it attach to cells). These harmless spikes are created and your immune system develops a defense for it. These same antibodies are used against the real virus.
They could develop this quickly because with modern technologies you only need to know the DNA sequence of the virus to build the mRNA. They had that info back in January because you only need a sample of the virus.
I'm going to assume that last part was a joke.
I dunno man... ill definitely take it I had the opportunity to do so.
However since I don’t have medical coverage, am 34... and haven’t had a general practitioner as a doctor since I was in elementary school, I’m sure I’ll be one of the last ones to ever be offered it.
I know a lot of you might not understand that, other countries get medical provided as they should. Murica doesn’t get that, and I would imagine a lot or Muricans on here had Upper middle class lives if not upper class lives so you never had to think about it.
That in conjunction, with flood for you, you had upper middle class parents, that probably paid for your college and you did a good job, got a good middle class job and now you’re 35 and have decent health care.
So you’ll be able to get the vaccine, before I will. But I bet it’s a long time before you’ll even be able to get it.
Good thing for me is I don’t live in a large city.. live in the middle of nowhere more or less so I don’t get exposed to a lot, my daughter hasn’t been I school.
My wife is an RN.. and deals with the COVID shit daily... but measures and precautions are taken obviously.
I’d be much more freaked out if I lived in a city or where my 70 year old dad lives in New Rochelle... he wears a mask but doesn’t give a fuck. Has a death wish anyway... regardless where I’m at I’m not super scared. But here in the grocery store I’d say a forth of people don’t wear masks.
uh-oh
12-02-2020, 06:11 AM
id rather be given covid
The reason why the effectiveness is so high is because they're using the technique described in the op. The vaccine is basically the rna for the protein sequence that creates the virus' spike protein (the thing that lets it attach to cells). These harmless spikes are created and your immune system develops a defense for it. These same antibodies are used against the real virus.
They could develop this quickly because with modern technologies you only need to know the DNA sequence of the virus to build the mRNA. They had that info back in January because you only need a sample of the virus.
I'm going to assume that last part was a joke.
Doesn’t still explain the lightning speed, nor does it inspire confidence.
By all means, y’all take what you want to take. I’m going to need something way more deadly than this COVID for me to even consider a vaccine. My immune system is good enough .
Also I don’t see how anyone thinks it’s a good idea for it to be MANDATORY/FORCED on people.
Idk man. I dont ever get flu shots either. I just get sick whenever i get sick. Buy dayquil severe. Whoop that shit and keep it moving last time i got sick was 2 & 1/2 years ago and it was bronchitus. Dayquil severe is all i took. Took 2 weeks but i whooped its ass. Fuck it.
That bronch aint no whore though. Real talk
fraze
12-03-2020, 02:52 AM
Doesn’t still explain the lightning speed, nor does it inspire confidence.
By all means, y’all take what you want to take. I’m going to need something way more deadly than this COVID for me to even consider a vaccine. My immune system is good enough .
Also I don’t see how anyone thinks it’s a good idea for it to be MANDATORY/FORCED on people.
The speed is because it doesn't take much time to develop the mRNA. You put the virus in a DNA sequencer, find the spike protein, copy the protein sequences that build it. No guess work needed, you're following the design of the existing virus.
Most of the development time is actually the time it takes to go through 3 phases of trials. They started those back in March or so.
I get your perspective if you're not worried about the risks. 1% chance of death, 10% chance of potential long term complication. As long as you're not one of the unlucky few, it has minimal impact on you.
But the main reason they want to get most people vaccinated is you can't slow down community spread of the virus until most people have defense either from their own antibodies after surviving or from vaccination. If we don't get to like 70% the pandemic will never end, it will stick around kinda like the flu. If we get to enough community resistance to stop it from spreading, things can go back to the old normal.
We're going to be wearing masks in 2022 because of people doing dumb shit around this vaccine.
Eviction
12-03-2020, 11:29 AM
I never get the flu shot I barely get sick and when I do it's not really that bad, I'm probably at risk though being overweight and pushing 40.
The speed is because it doesn't take much time to develop the mRNA. You put the virus in a DNA sequencer, find the spike protein, copy the protein sequences that build it. No guess work needed, you're following the design of the existing virus.
Most of the development time is actually the time it takes to go through 3 phases of trials. They started those back in March or so.
I get your perspective if you're not worried about the risks. 1% chance of death, 10% chance of potential long term complication. As long as you're not one of the unlucky few, it has minimal impact on you.
But the main reason they want to get most people vaccinated is you can't slow down community spread of the virus until most people have defense either from their own antibodies after surviving or from vaccination. If we don't get to like 70% the pandemic will never end, it will stick around kinda like the flu. If we get to enough community resistance to stop it from spreading, things can go back to the old normal.
We're going to be wearing masks in 2022 because of people doing dumb shit around this vaccine.
If the bolded were true, then resuming everything as normal would be fine.
Sharp
12-03-2020, 06:08 PM
Coop definitely the 'do your research' or 'makes you think' friend of friend that I assume everyone has on fb
exercising a critical thought was never as unfashionable as it is now.
Pakistani Hand Cannon
12-09-2020, 05:40 PM
We're going to be wearing masks in 2022 because of people doing dumb shit around this vaccine.
The "people doing dumb shit" would include a whole bunch of medical experts that you dont hear about from your mainstream news outlets cause you're deemed to dumb to exercise your own discernment.
You marked out.
Pakistani Hand Cannon
12-09-2020, 05:45 PM
perspectives & info from mostly doctors.
do with it what you will.
http://www.bitchute.com/video/qdFPBLcK4jCc/
had to bitchute this hoe cause youtube aint fucking about with the censorship
fraze
12-09-2020, 07:43 PM
The "people doing dumb shit" would include a whole bunch of medical experts that you dont hear about from your mainstream news outlets cause you're deemed to dumb to exercise your own discernment.
You marked out.
There are a lot of assumptions in this comment that aren't true. You're making inferences about my thought processes and information sources that can't possibly be derived from the available facts.
This tells me both that you have an unnecessarily high opinion of your own intelligence and that you are locked into a viewpoint with a partisan basis.
Both of these things mean its a waste of my time to continue a conversation with you. Have a nice day.
fraze
12-09-2020, 07:51 PM
There are a lot of assumptions in this comment that aren't true. You're making inferences about my thought processes and information sources that can't possibly be derived from the available facts.
This tells me both that you have an unnecessarily high opinion of your own intelligence and that you are locked into a viewpoint with a partisan basis.
Both of these things mean its a waste of my time to continue a conversation with you. Have a nice day.
To put this in words you can understand:
You're jumping to conclusions.
It's obvious you're dumb and parrot other peoples opinions.
Go fuck yourself.
fraze
12-09-2020, 08:03 PM
If the bolded were true, then resuming everything as normal would be fine.
Only problem with this is the 100,000s of people that would die with this approach. If you're cool with most people's grand parents dying and having the hospital system shut down from going over capacity this is a cool way to go.
Pakistani Hand Cannon
12-10-2020, 11:18 PM
bruddah
you followed one "letme try & sound smart post" (that no-one had trouble understanding) projecting your own lack of intelligence being challenged - which ended in saying i'm a waste of time...cool.
only to respond again 10mins later, in essence, saying the same shit i said of you?
incredible.
lol you absolute joke.
Only problem with this is the 100,000s of people that would die with this approach. If you're cool with most people's grand parents dying and having the hospital system shut down from going over capacity this is a cool way to go.
We already crossed that bridge, that many people already died, so clearly what’s happening NOW AINT WORKING if that’s a measure of failure.
It really is simple. The people you are referring to that are likely to die (mostly elderly or with other health complications) THEY are the ones who should stay home 24/7. I have yet to have ANYONE tell me how someone can catch corona by staying home 24/7.
Everyone else should be able to resume daily lives as normal, no mask mandate, no forced vaccine. Call it at your own risk if you must but lockdowns are killing more than the virus is.
We already crossed that bridge, that many people already died, so clearly what’s happening NOW AINT WORKING if that’s a measure of failure.
It really is simple. The people you are referring to that are likely to die (mostly elderly or with other health complications) THEY are the ones who should stay home 24/7. I have yet to have ANYONE tell me how someone can catch corona by staying home 24/7.
Everyone else should be able to resume daily lives as normal, no mask mandate, no forced vaccine. Call it at your own risk if you must but lockdowns are killing more than the virus is.
amigo can you explain to me how mask mandate is doing no good
Blue Bayou
12-11-2020, 11:23 AM
Trying to manipulate Bill Gates laugh at the end of the video like he's Dr. Evil was so corny
Sharp
12-11-2020, 12:15 PM
Call it at your own risk if you must but lockdowns are killing more than the virus is.
https://media.tenor.com/images/ca484193510bf24a28ed7797da4d16aa/tenor.gif
amigo can you explain to me how mask mandate is doing no good
Please note I never proclaimed a stance on masks. But since you asked:
1- The way many people use it directly counters its supposed use, rendering it useless
2- It shouldn't be "mandatory", much like most health related issues
3- The logic behind wearing them and subsequently enforcing them is contradictory at best, ludicrous at worst. (Ex., So I MUST wear on my way to the table, then i can take it off? But, i should put it BACK ON in between bites? etc..)
https://media.tenor.com/images/ca484193510bf24a28ed7797da4d16aa/tenor.gif
https://townhall.com/columnists/bradslager/2020/08/20/doctors-worldwide-are-recording-more-deaths-due-to-lockdowns-than-to-covid19-n2574754
https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/21/how-to-show-americans-lockdowns-are-killing-more-people-than-the-virus/
https://nypost.com/2020/09/06/its-now-looking-like-the-lockdowns-may-have-been-a-huge-mistake/
https://principia-scientific.com/study-covid-19-lockdowns-10-times-deadlier-than-pandemic/
https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/04/cdc-data-suggest-lockdowns-could-kill-as-many-people-as-covid/
Just a few for your reading pleasure
Many of you are getting the vaccine not because you know exactly what it is or what it does or because you're well versed in the side effects of the 'fastest experimental vaccine ever created"....
You're getting it because of peer pressure. Plain and simple.
fraze
12-11-2020, 03:44 PM
We already crossed that bridge, that many people already died, so clearly what’s happening NOW AINT WORKING if that’s a measure of failure.
It really is simple. The people you are referring to that are likely to die (mostly elderly or with other health complications) THEY are the ones who should stay home 24/7. I have yet to have ANYONE tell me how someone can catch corona by staying home 24/7.
Everyone else should be able to resume daily lives as normal, no mask mandate, no forced vaccine. Call it at your own risk if you must but lockdowns are killing more than the virus is.
Death rate of corona is 1%. If everyone got infected with no intervention, 1% of the 330million people in America is 3.3 million deaths. The approach you're advocating is the same as condemning millions of people to death. It's genocide by apathy.
We're at almost 300k deaths now, but it would have been a much higher number without the public health interventions. More people would have caught the virus and more people would have died.
You can't only keep elderly people at home because people who aren't at risk are still carriers. You can't isolate at risks populations 100% because they generally need care. You would also need to isolate caretakers. But if caretakers are mixing with general population with widespread community infections, you're going to end up killing the elderly anyway.
Also, deaths and health complications AREN'T limited to the elderly. A lot of it is luck of the draw. If you get a bad case you can die or have permanent disability even if you're young and considered "healthy".
Not to mention hospital capacity. We're maxed out now with the interventions that have been put in place. When you run out of hospital capacity completely death rates will go up across the board for covid/non-covid because you can no longer keep up with treating preventable disease.
The pandemic will end when we get to population immunity. This can either happen by getting exposed to the virus, getting antibodies from blood plasma, or getting one of the vaccines. Depending on what mix of those options we end up with more/fewer people will die, and it will end sooner/later. All of this stuff is scientifically predictable at this point.
Also for the record, I'm not blindly pro-vaccine or pro-lockdown. I'm personally hesitant to take a vaccine where there have been no studies of long term side effects. Also only think lockdowns are needed in places where hospital capacity is an issue. Long term you have to keep the economy going or a lot more people will die from poverty and starvation. But I'm also not going to ignore the fact that some level of intervention needs to be taken to prevent the worse case of deaths.
Masks and masks mandates are proven effective at lowering spread and keeping deaths down. The vaccine will slow down the community spread for the people who are willing to take it. It will be a while before any of us have access to it anyway. We only ordered 50million doses through Feb, so that's only 25million people getting the vaccine (roughly 1 of 13 Americans)
uh-oh
12-11-2020, 04:00 PM
stfu pussy
fraze
12-11-2020, 04:03 PM
pretty much zero chance of that happening, but thanks for the advice.
uh-oh
12-11-2020, 04:08 PM
im just trolling don't mind me. i read your whole post, after posting that lol. you seem well reasoned.
Death rate of corona is 1%. If everyone got infected with no intervention, 1% of the 330million people in America is 3.3 million deaths. The approach you're advocating is the same as condemning millions of people to death. It's genocide by apathy.
"If everyone got infected with no intervention" is the premise you're using, and I'd argue that premise would literally never happen. For multiple reasons, the main two being:
1- Not every single person will catch it.
2- There WILL be intervention
So this is a moot theory.
We're at almost 300k deaths now, but it would have been a much higher number without the public health interventions. More people would have caught the virus and more people would have died.
This is by definition opinion. "Woulda coulda shoulda". All THEORY. Even if you argue it's not, I'd just use the same logic and argue the deaths due to financial hardship/suicide/depression spurred on by lockdowns and shutdowns would change as well, arguably balancing out the deaths.
You can't only keep elderly people at home because people who aren't at risk are still carriers. You can't isolate at risks populations 100% because they generally need care. You would also need to isolate caretakers. But if caretakers are mixing with general population with widespread community infections, you're going to end up killing the elderly anyway.
Again, with this VERY logic, locking down EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING also has the same issues as locking down just a portion of the population. I'd argue locking down everyone causes MORE ISSUES than locking down a few. You can't in one breath say "LOCK DOWN EVERYTHING AND STAY HOME" and then when someone says, "Well, why just the people at risk stay home?" ... your rebuttal cant be "WELL YOU CANT LOCK THEM DOWN 100% BECAUSE _____". The contradiction doesn't reveal itself to you?
Also, deaths and health complications AREN'T limited to the elderly. A lot of it is luck of the draw. If you get a bad case you can die or have permanent disability even if you're young and considered "healthy".
And if I go driving, I can get hit by a car, or struck by lightning, or have a heart attack etc... All more likely scenarios than catching covid and dying from it. Should I stop driving and going outside because of a fear of death, which can happen at any moment for any reason?
Not to mention hospital capacity. We're maxed out now with the interventions that have been put in place. When you run out of hospital capacity completely death rates will go up across the board for covid/non-covid because you can no longer keep up with treating preventable disease.
This is pure propaganda. There may be some hospitals that are at capacity, but I doubt it's the majority, and it certainly isnt ALL. I literally have contacted every doctor/medical professional I know in my circles and inquired about this and more, and saw my local hospital with my own eyes and asked further.
The pandemic will end when we get to population immunity. This can either happen by getting exposed to the virus, getting antibodies from blood plasma, or getting one of the vaccines. Depending on what mix of those options we end up with more/fewer people will die, and it will end sooner/later. All of this stuff is scientifically predictable at this point.
Which is exactly why there are thousands of doctors across the world that agree that LOCKING DOWN is the opposite of what we need to do if herd immunity is the goal. Some argue we've already likely reached that point or are already close.
Also for the record, I'm not blindly pro-vaccine or pro-lockdown. I'm personally hesitant to take a vaccine where there have been no studies of long term side effects. Also only think lockdowns are needed in places where hospital capacity is an issue. Long term you have to keep the economy going or a lot more people will die from poverty and starvation. But I'm also not going to ignore the fact that some level of intervention needs to be taken to prevent the worse case of deaths.
Would you agree that in whichever case, the action that causes LEAST deaths should likely be the course of action?
Masks and masks mandates are proven effective at lowering spread and keeping deaths down. The vaccine will slow down the community spread for the people who are willing to take it. It will be a while before any of us have access to it anyway. We only ordered 50million doses through Feb, so that's only 25million people getting the vaccine (roughly 1 of 13 Americans)
A rushed vaccine is not in the public's best interest. Indemnifying all vaccine manufacturers against all liability is also not in the public's best interest. And I'd be interested in seeing and reading the studies of "masks and mask mandates being PROVEN to lower the spread and keep deaths down". Do you even know how they formulate these studies? Who conducts them and who funds them? What areas of the country/world they specify? How they measure their metrics? All the variables they consider? Or did you just see a headline or hear it on the news?
Eviction
12-11-2020, 04:43 PM
The vaccine is going to start being administered here as early as next week.
fraze
12-11-2020, 05:36 PM
I'm not going to go back and forth point by point. None of what I said in that post is theoretical.
Anything I said I can find peer reviewed scientific research to back it up. If you're really interested, give me a bullet list of questions and I will pinpoint facts for you.
But the appearance at this point is that you've bought into your point of view and you're certain your right. I'm happy to entertain legitimate curiosity, but if you just want to argue, I don't actually care enough to convince you.
We live in a world where people cling to the "facts" advocated by their partisan side. I don't mind passing on what I know, but I'm just one person, I'm not going to take responsibility for educating you.
Please note I never proclaimed a stance on masks. But since you asked:
1- The way many people use it directly counters its supposed use, rendering it useless
2- It shouldn't be "mandatory", much like most health related issues
3- The logic behind wearing them and subsequently enforcing them is contradictory at best, ludicrous at worst. (Ex., So I MUST wear on my way to the table, then i can take it off? But, i should put it BACK ON in between bites? etc..)
bro you literally said there shouldn't be a mask mandate.. anyhow 1) even though people use it wrongly that's better than not using it AT ALL.. 2) health issues related to.. ? using a mask? also, not spitting facts here about why it shouldn't be "mandatory"
3) thats why you apply social distancing and proper hygiene measures too
I'm not going to go back and forth point by point. None of what I said in that post is theoretical.
Anything I said I can find peer reviewed scientific research to back it up. If you're really interested, give me a bullet list of questions and I will pinpoint facts for you.
But the appearance at this point is that you've bought into your point of view and you're certain your right. I'm happy to entertain legitimate curiosity, but if you just want to argue, I don't actually care enough to convince you.
We live in a world where people cling to the "facts" advocated by their partisan side. I don't mind passing on what I know, but I'm just one person, I'm not going to take responsibility for educating you.
Cool. Let me know if you take that vaccine and i'm also upping this thread if/when vaccines become mandatory for 'normal life'.
bro you literally said there shouldn't be a mask mandate.. anyhow 1) even though people use it wrongly that's better than not using it AT ALL.. 2) health issues related to.. ? using a mask? also, not spitting facts here about why it shouldn't be "mandatory"
3) thats why you apply social distancing and proper hygiene measures too
You asked why I think the "mandate is doing no good" , when I didn't say that. I said there shouldn't be a mandate. That's not the same thing. I don't think there should be a mandate, I think it should be a choice.
I think the incorrect use of the mask actually worsens the possibility of other diseases that spread on surfaces. Think about it, do you generally touch your face/head MORE or LESS while wearing the mask. Even if you ONLY factor in taking it on or off, the answer is more. Never mind adjusting it a million times. That's just common sense.
Here's one of the MANY articles that outline the same
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/4-potential-consequences-wearing-face-masks-163228
2/3 health related issues regarding anything, are you dense? it's your choice what medical procedures get done to you, there's never been a mandated vaccine in history. It's an experimental product. LOL @ you thinking any human anywhere needs to argue why "forcing an experimental vaccine into me against my will" is a bad thing. Fuck outta here you trollin
fraze
12-11-2020, 06:09 PM
Cool. Let me know if you take that vaccine and i'm also upping this thread if/when vaccines become mandatory for 'normal life'.
Tbh, I'm probably going to take one of the non mRNA based vaccines. mRNA is supposed to be harmless but I don't really believe in being a guinea pig for first generation technology.
There's a proposal in Congress to incentivize vaccinations by attaching them to a stimulus payment. Biden administration is going to be committed to pushing people to take vaccines, so for better or worse a large % of Americans will take them. Pretty much can only hope it's safe.
At least it's better than the Russian "vaccine" where you're not supposed to drink for two months (https://uk.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-russia-vaccine-alcoho/dont-mix-sputnik-vaccine-with-alcohol-says-russian-official-some-recoil-idUSKBN28J239) after taking it.
Realistically it will probably become mandatory to show proof of vaccination to participate in the "new" normal once the vaccine is widespread. If you want to go to events etc, you'll have to prove you're not a carrier.
Coop is a legitimate fucking retard. Stop posting you pseudo-intellectual clown. Paragraph ass boy
You asked why I think the "mandate is doing no good" , when I didn't say that. I said there shouldn't be a mandate. That's not the same thing. I don't think there should be a mandate, I think it should be a choice.
I think the incorrect use of the mask actually worsens the possibility of other diseases that spread on surfaces. Think about it, do you generally touch your face/head MORE or LESS while wearing the mask. Even if you ONLY factor in taking it on or off, the answer is more. Never mind adjusting it a million times. That's just common sense.
Here's one of the MANY articles that outline the same
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/4-potential-consequences-wearing-face-masks-163228
2/3 health related issues regarding anything, are you dense? it's your choice what medical procedures get done to you, there's never been a mandated vaccine in history. It's an experimental product. LOL @ you thinking any human anywhere needs to argue why "forcing an experimental vaccine into me against my will" is a bad thing. Fuck outta here you trollin
yea.. assumed you thought it wasnt any good cuz u said there shouldn't be a mandate.. my point still stands tho, im sure there MIGHT be collateral effects due to wearing face masks, but the positive effects outweight any of those potential consequences
anyhow.. not gonna change ur mind bro, hope you don't get COVID cuz ur ass will be spreadin that shit around irresponsibly. also, I never said anything about vaccines, so Fuck outta here
Tbh, I'm probably going to take one of the non mRNA based vaccines. mRNA is supposed to be harmless but I don't really believe in being a guinea pig for first generation technology.
There's a proposal in Congress to incentivize vaccinations by attaching them to a stimulus payment. Biden administration is going to be committed to pushing people to take vaccines, so for better or worse a large % of Americans will take them. Pretty much can only hope it's safe.
At least it's better than the Russian "vaccine" where you're not supposed to drink for two months (https://uk.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-russia-vaccine-alcoho/dont-mix-sputnik-vaccine-with-alcohol-says-russian-official-some-recoil-idUSKBN28J239) after taking it.
Realistically it will probably become mandatory to show proof of vaccination to participate in the "new" normal once the vaccine is widespread. If you want to go to events etc, you'll have to prove you're not a carrier.
I think a combination of you don’t have to take the vaccine, but if you do you are financially incentivized... IS THE SOLUTION. But that’s too smart, it’ll never happen.
Whether you disagree or agree with me, you probably base much of your argument on 1) what doctors/other experts say, and 2) your knowledge on the subject.
Well, I suggest you take a look at
World doctors alliance .com
Thousands of doctors, (with much more expert knowledge on the subject than you or I) agreeing on many things that go against what the mainstream & social media would have you believe. The front/only page is maybe a 5-10 minute read and sourced.
fraze
12-11-2020, 06:42 PM
I base most of my opinions on the reported data from the virus.
All the information necessary to form accurate conclusions is publicly available. I'm a MIT educated data scientist and I know what to look for and how to derive my own conclusions.
There are no reputed scientists with a background in virology who are advocating the things you mention in this thread.
world doctors alliance .com/ about / <- this page has the credentials of your "doctors"
I see general practitioners, dentists?, public speakers, and Republican Senator Scott Jensen.
This isn't a medical organization, it's a political one in masquerade.
There are no reputed scientists with a background in virology who are advocating the things you mention in this thread.
Incorrect. Some of the sources linked are.
I see general practitioners, dentists?, public speakers, and Republican Senator Scott Jensen.
This isn't a medical organization, it's a political one in masquerade.
And what are you talking about on the about page. They're all doctors? One with a PHD in immunology. And it consists of way more than just those on that page. REGARDLESS, the information that you skipped is way more important than "who's the head of the organization".
Not to mention, this is just a collective of medical professionals putting it together in a nice condensed fashion. It wouldn't take you a long search through social media or duckduckgo to find many doctors and viral experts who've come out and said something contrary to the national narrative.
fraze
12-11-2020, 07:09 PM
the information that you skipped is way more important than "who's the head of the organization".
Everyone has a bias when presenting information. If you don't know who is giving you the info you can't correct for that bias.
If you want to get a partisan opinion ask a politician.
If you want to get a scientific opinion ask a scientist. And all scientist are not equal. A virologist and an immunologist aren't the same thing. Look for someone who has studied corona viruses before (your immunologist hasn't).
Everyone has a bias when presenting information. If you don't know who is giving you the info you can't correct for that bias.
If you want to get a partisan opinion ask a politician.
If you want to get a scientific opinion ask a scientist. And all scientist are not equal. A virologist and an immunologist aren't the same thing. Look for someone who has studied corona viruses before (your immunologist hasn't).
Fine. How about this Fauci guy saying “people don’t need to walk around wearing masks”. Is he qualified enough in your eyes?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRa6t_e7dgI
Kill Spree
12-11-2020, 07:23 PM
Fags
fraze
12-11-2020, 07:46 PM
Fine. How about this Fauci guy saying “people don’t need to walk around wearing masks”. Is he qualified enough in your eyes?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRa6t_e7dgI
Now it seems like you're being disingenuous. I'm pretty sure you know that his stance on masks has been updated since March. I would get into the reasons why but I'm pretty sure you don't actually care.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfbH3oko9SA
If you don't want to wear a mask do you. But fact is masks are at least partially effective in preventing the spread of corona virus. There are literally 100s of studies on this.
Now it seems like you're being disingenuous. I'm pretty sure you know that his stance on masks has been updated since March. I would get into the reasons why but I'm pretty sure you don't actually care.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfbH3oko9SA
If you don't want to wear a mask do you. But fact is masks are at least partially effective in preventing the spread of corona virus. There are literally 100s of studies on this.
You asked for an esteemed virologist, I provided the highest ranked one.
Also my stance is everything should be optional. Adults are fully capable of making decisions on their own about their health.
The effectiveness of masks is minimal at best, detrimental at worst. Either way it’s secondary to the ridiculousness of being FORCED TO WEAR IT
fraze
12-11-2020, 07:54 PM
According to Trump censored reporting from the CDC masks reduce the risk of COVID infections by 70%.
That means 70% less people dying.
Even if you could only hypothetically save lives by putting a piece of cloth on your face, why not just suck it up and do it.
3000 people are dying every day now.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/masking-science-sars-cov2.html
uh-oh
12-11-2020, 08:00 PM
maybe my math is wrong but the latest numbers for covid's death rate, from johns hopkins is 87.49 deaths out of 100 thousand.
wouldn't that make the death rate 0.08749?
i dropped out in the 9th grade. someone confirm
edit, thats america's death rate btw. other countries are lower and higher
fraze
12-11-2020, 08:05 PM
maybe my math is wrong but the latest numbers for covid's death rate, from johns hopkins is 87.49 deaths out of 100 thousand.
wouldn't that make the death rate 0.08749?
i dropped out in the 9th grade. someone confirm
edit, thats america's death rate btw. other countries are lower and higher
Your math isn't wrong but we're talking about two different quantities.
You're looking at deaths/population
The 1% figure is deaths/infections. Approx. 1% of people who catch covid die. Not everyone in the population is infected so that rate is much smaller.
uh-oh
12-11-2020, 08:07 PM
wouldn't it be disingenuous then to say that 1 percent of the population would die if everyone was infected than?
uh-oh
12-11-2020, 08:14 PM
i seen new yorkers tweeting about restaurants closing again, and citing a 1.4 percent of covid infections occurred from dining out at restaurants or some shit, figure. basically arguing against the lockdown
is there somewhere that is tracking where people are getting it?
my sister is an occupational therapist who works with the elderly, and they constantly get outbreaks there. its almost like the people most likely to die from this thing are the ones most likely to get it as well lol. i'd like to see that type of data though, like where are people actually contracting it.
According to Trump censored reporting from the CDC masks reduce the risk of COVID infections by 70%.
That means 70% less people dying.
Wow Mr MIT educated engineer, your math skills are impeccable.
Reducing the risk of infected doesn’t mean 70% less people dying. That would only be the case if 100% of infections led to death.
Even if you could only hypothetically save lives by putting a piece of cloth on your face, why not just suck it up and do it.
3000 people are dying every day now.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/masking-science-sars-cov2.html
“Why not suck it up and do it”
Why should I limit my freedoms due to your unnecessary fear? How about, the people I’m supposed to be protecting, THEY STAY INSIDE. Woaaahh what a concept!
fraze
12-11-2020, 08:20 PM
wouldn't it be disingenuous then to say that 1 percent of the population would die if everyone was infected than?
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
Cases: 16,290,231
Deaths: 302,727
Population: 328,200,000
Death rate (Cases/Deaths) : 1.858%
Deaths / population : 0.092%
fraze
12-11-2020, 08:22 PM
Wow Mr MIT educated engineer, your math skills are impeccable.
Reducing the risk of infected doesn’t mean 70% less people dying. That would only be the case if 100% of infections led to death.
“Why not suck it up and do it”
Why should I limit my freedoms due to your unnecessary fear? How about, the people I’m supposed to be protecting, THEY STAY INSIDE. Woaaahh what a concept!
If 1000 people get infected without masks. Death rate of 1% is 10 deaths.
70% reduction is 300 infections with masks. Death rate of 1% is 3 deaths.
That is a 70% reduction is deaths. Pro-tip: Look up the commutative property of multiplication.
If 1000 people get infected without masks. Death rate of 1% is 10 deaths.
70% reduction is 300 infections with masks. Death rate of 1% is 3 deaths.
That is a 70% reduction is deaths. Pro-tip: Look up the commutative property of multiplication.
That’s the problem with you nerd types. You never apply context. “Reduce the risk of Covid infections by 70%” is not the same as “exactly 70% less people will catch Covid” which nukes your explanation
Sharp
12-11-2020, 08:27 PM
https://townhall.com/columnists/bradslager/2020/08/20/doctors-worldwide-are-recording-more-deaths-due-to-lockdowns-than-to-covid19-n2574754
https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/21/how-to-show-americans-lockdowns-are-killing-more-people-than-the-virus/
https://nypost.com/2020/09/06/its-now-looking-like-the-lockdowns-may-have-been-a-huge-mistake/
https://principia-scientific.com/study-covid-19-lockdowns-10-times-deadlier-than-pandemic/
https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/04/cdc-data-suggest-lockdowns-could-kill-as-many-people-as-covid/
Just a few for your reading pleasure
You give me editorials? From the federalist??. Smfh
I was ready to agree with you if you better sources
https://www.brookings.edu/research/the-human-costs-of-the-pandemic-is-it-time-to-prioritize-well-being/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7340075/
For your 'appearing marginally informed' pleasure
Keep in mind all the deaths you see that are reported to the CDC, by their own disclaimer, are not just confirmed cases, they are also PROBABLE cases. Which by definition means they could be wrong.
They put the “maybe they died from it “ with the “they definitely died from it” pile and put THAT number on the TV.
fraze
12-11-2020, 08:29 PM
That’s the problem with you nerd types. You never apply context. “Reduce the risk of Covid infections by 70%” is not the same as “exactly 70% less people will catch Covid” which nukes your explanation
Lowering the risk of infection by 70% will lower infections by 70% for the same mathematical reason as above.
You're obviously going to argue regardless of facts tho, so I think I'm calling it here for today.
You give me editorials? From the federalist??. Smfh
I was ready to agree with you if you better sources
https://www.brookings.edu/research/the-human-costs-of-the-pandemic-is-it-time-to-prioritize-well-being/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7340075/
For your 'appearing marginally informed' pleasure
“OOOH OOOH look! I got better sources than youuu haha! “
Good for you my guy
Eviction
12-11-2020, 08:44 PM
would yall take the vaccine if you got paid to do it? they are talking about only giving the stimulus check to people that take it.
Witty
12-11-2020, 09:11 PM
Coop is losing hard.
I understand people will die if this thing is allowed to spread without active attempts to curb it, I just personally see that as a good thing.
Answer
12-11-2020, 09:34 PM
Coop is losing hard.
I understand people will die if this thing is allowed to spread without active attempts to curb it, I just personally see that as a good thing.
I, for one, am largely in favor of population control, but there are many ways to go about it that are far more ethical than having people suffocating in the hospitals for 2 weeks before they die while simultaneously overwhelming the entire medical industry
Witty
12-11-2020, 09:47 PM
Wow ok, I was just trying to sound cool.
Sharp
12-11-2020, 09:54 PM
“OOOH OOOH look! I got better sources than youuu haha! “
Good for you my guy
I agree with you to a non retarded extent but you're giving me an editorial like it's a source? You might as well be linking to your own posts at that point
You're welcome btw
uh-oh
12-11-2020, 10:47 PM
its difficult for me to buy any of these stats wholeheartedly tbh. its just all a shitshow
we've been down a guy at work because his wife tested positive. he was never required to be tested, its just assumed he has to quarantine as well. they also have two kids. so that is 4 people, with 1 test. how many other cases of this don't get reported at all? and then combined with the deaths that were incentivized to be reported as covid, its all tricky
to pretend that what coop is saying is utter nonsense is as dumb as how you guys all want to frame it.
anyone who takes the time to look into it knows that its a virus that has the potential to be deadly to an ultra minority of the population. to have a mandated unproven vaccine is as insane to me as the lockdowns in the first place. if it was an actual LEGIT deadly pandemic that was taking swathes of the population i'd STILL be weird about a mandated vaccine.
its all just weird to me i dunno
Eviction
12-11-2020, 11:26 PM
after you get the vaccine it requires a booster shot after, forget how long after.
fraze
12-12-2020, 02:37 AM
its difficult for me to buy any of these stats wholeheartedly tbh. its just all a shitshow
we've been down a guy at work because his wife tested positive. he was never required to be tested, its just assumed he has to quarantine as well. they also have two kids. so that is 4 people, with 1 test. how many other cases of this don't get reported at all? and then combined with the deaths that were incentivized to be reported as covid, its all tricky
to pretend that what coop is saying is utter nonsense is as dumb as how you guys all want to frame it.
anyone who takes the time to look into it knows that its a virus that has the potential to be deadly to an ultra minority of the population. to have a mandated unproven vaccine is as insane to me as the lockdowns in the first place. if it was an actual LEGIT deadly pandemic that was taking swathes of the population i'd STILL be weird about a mandated vaccine.
its all just weird to me i dunno
uh-oh, you're a cool dude so I'm not going to flame your whole post.
But real quick:
* stat I was quoting is confirmed cases. (1 case = 1 test result). Your family of 4 would have been counted as 1 case in my number because it's not a count of people "quarantined"
* coop isn't saying utter nonsense. its partial truth mixed with partial nonsense:
- the vaccine is a new DNA based technology that was never been tested on humans at this scale before. but it also isn't physically capable of modifying human DNA.
- masks mandates aren't 100% effective. but they are still one of the most effective public policy tools we have currently.
that sort of thing.
* virus has the POTENTIAL to be deadly to anyone. the LIKELIHOOD is lower for younger people, but its still playing russian roulette. some unlucky people get the bullet, even little kids. Anyone who is telling you this only affects old people should go visit a COVID ICU in any major city in America and ask the nurses what the age range of patients they've admitted is.
* 3000 deaths/day actually is a LEGIT deadly pandemic that was taking swathes of the population
uh-oh
12-12-2020, 08:47 AM
my 4 people with 1 test thing was me musing about how off the stats are. if its as contagious as people say, im sure living in the same household with it becomes unavoidable to not contract it. espescially when you wait 3 days for results and have 0 symptoms. basically what i was saying is that 1 confirmed result number, could be 4. none of them are dead lol. he comes back to work monday.
now not everyone is a family of 4, but i think its safe to assume the case rate is much higher than is reported because of these scenarios, and i find it hard to believe that any covid deaths are slipping through the cracks unreported
so its even less lethal than reported basically. i don't think thats conspiracy nonsense or anything other than common sense, but again thats me.
https://assets.weforum.org/editor/responsive_large_webp_sJcmFPq6L89cbxsu-GcL5mJFmNRJdGkJsedjQz8oqNA.webp
that chart is a little dated since the covid figure it uses is 2200 deaths a day, but it helps put into perspective those numbers. it disgusts me when politicians use shit like "more people died today of covid than died in 9/11" type figures. people die. its unavoidable. whether its from covid, the flu, a bus hits you, your heart explodes, blah blah. at a certain point we need to accept that covid exists and isn't going away, we can personally take what precautions we feel we need to, to avoid it. but this governmental overreach is terrifying to me, far more than the virus itself
thats just me tho. we're what 10 months into this now? 9 months? countless livelihoods destroyed, businesses that will never come back, and the worst part of all of it is the precedent has been set for future use of locking down. i don't like it
fraze
12-12-2020, 09:45 AM
respect your point on cases potentially being underreported. But you could almost double the number of recorded cases and the death rate would still be above 1%.
but if we're going there, we also have to acknowledge potential underreporting of deaths (for political reasons or due to misclassification). People have been doing statistical gymnastics with reporting since the pandemic began.
You don't have to trust me on the 1% death rate, but I'm pretty confident in that because that's roughly the percentage used when forecasting covid deaths and it has been tracking reality pretty accurately.
You chart is good context in general, but it is misleading to compare global deaths from various diseases to the COVID death rates for Europe only. We're currently at 13k global deaths per day from COVID. That means it's deadlier than everything on your least except for cancer and heart attacks. That's pretty serious bruh.
THOSE DEATH NUMBERS INCLUDE “PROBABLE” CAUSES OF DEATHS FROM COVID. THEY ARE NOT ALL CONFIRMED CASES. 3k/day IS FALSE. AN “ESTIMATE”
Uh oh you are right to trust your gut. Don’t let peer pressure silence your intuition. Something IS OFF with all this shit. I’m telling you, use that intuition and look deeper into this, don’t just “go along with it” cuz you don’t want to be a conspiracy theorist.
Notice how fraze responded “coop is saying partial truth/nonsense” and then uses an example about how the vaccine doesn’t alter dna, as if I ever said that? Literally never said that. He ASSUMES I think that because that’s what “conspiracy theorists think” and all “theorists” must think the same. It’s embedded in these zombies that anything against the national narrative is conspiracy and it equals lizard people and flat earth. Fuck em. Keep your eyes open bruh
It’s like we are all pigs, standing in line for the slaughterhouse. I’m the mfer yelling we need to gtfo, y’all the mfers out here promoting bacon products with the farmer . Straight brainwashed
“ COVID-19 deaths are identified using a new ICD–10 code. When COVID-19 is reported as a cause of death – or when it is listed as a “probable” or “presumed” cause — the death is coded as U07.1. This can include cases with or without laboratory confirmation.“
STRAIGHT FROM THE CDCS WEBSITE.
PROBABLE OR PRESUMED <—- ARE YALL SKIPPING OVER THIS.
MEANING, IF YOU HAD FLU LIKE SYMPTOMS AROUND THE TIME OF DEATH, THATS ENOUGH TO SAY “WELL IT WAS LIKELY FROM COVID” EVEN THOUGH IT WASNT.
DOCTORS HAVE COME OUT AND SAID THEY WERE PRESSURED BY SUPERIORS TO USE THIS NEW CODE . JUST DO A SEARCH FOR YOURSELF. RUMOR IS HOSPITALS GET MORE MONEY
IM TELLING YOU THESE NUMBERS ARE OVERINFLATED BECAUSE OF THIS ALONE
DONT BELIEVE ME? TRY AND FIND THE SEPARATE NUMBERS OF “CONFIRMED” VS “PROBABLE”... YOU CANT. WHY IS THAT HIDDEN??
uh-oh
12-12-2020, 11:26 AM
its not a rumor, its legislated fact, at least as far as medicare goes that they receive a certain amount of money per covid patient.
fraze
12-12-2020, 12:12 PM
Notice how fraze responded “coop is saying partial truth/nonsense” and then uses an example about how the vaccine doesn’t alter dna, as if I ever said that? Literally never said that.
My apologies for the misattribution. I was basing that on the original post and the fact that you're anti-vaccine. If you don't think the vaccine alters DNA, not really sure what your problem with it is.
fraze
12-12-2020, 12:17 PM
DONT BELIEVE ME? TRY AND FIND THE SEPARATE NUMBERS OF “CONFIRMED” VS “PROBABLE”... YOU CANT. WHY IS THAT HIDDEN??
This website is one of the many places where you can find this data. I linked their explanation of the reason for differences in accounting methods but their data is available on the site for states that collect it.
https://covidtracking.com/blog/confirmed-and-probable-covid-19-deaths-counted-two-ways
My apologies for the misattribution. I was basing that on the original post and the fact that you're anti-vaccine. If you don't think the vaccine alters DNA, not really sure what your problem with it is.
My problem with it is that it SHOULDNT EVER BECOME MANDATORY, nor mandatory for “normal life activities” like the masks are
This website is one of the many places where you can find this data. I linked their explanation of the reason for differences in accounting methods but their data is available on the site for states that collect it.
https://covidtracking.com/blog/confirmed-and-probable-covid-19-deaths-counted-two-ways
Lol incomplete at best. It’s only from may, and it’s less than half of the states
I’m driving so I’ll take a look later, but a preliminary scan of that page shows it supports my argument
fraze
12-12-2020, 12:30 PM
My problem with it is that it SHOULDNT EVER BECOME MANDATORY, nor mandatory for “normal life activities” like the masks are
Only problem with that is those are the two most effective ways to combat the virus. Is it worse to make people wear masks or to make them die? That's literally what you're doing if you let the virus run rampant.
The vaccine is a medical treatment, I'm pretty sure it would be unconstitutional to make getting it mandatory. Realistically, we're talking more about how the government would incentivize vaccination because a mandate is not enforceable.
Only problem with that is those are the two most effective ways to combat the virus. Is it worse to make people wear masks or to make them die? That's literally what you're doing if you let the virus run rampant.
The vaccine is a medical treatment, I'm pretty sure it would be unconstitutional to make getting it mandatory. Realistically, we're talking more about how the government would incentivize vaccination because a mandate is not enforceable.
So what if they are the most effective ways. Idgaf if the vaccine gave you superpowers and doubled your lifespan. It should still be a choice and there’s nothing anyone can say to make sense of “no we should force it into people against their will” period.
And to answer your question it’s worse to MAKE people wear masks. You assume people don’t have the wherewithal to make their own decisions about their health? Who are you to say what I HAVE TO DO because YOURE SCARED. FOH .
I have no problem with you wearing a mask. I have no problem with you getting a vaccine. Because it’s your life. But when you try to disrupt mine, and tell me I gotta do that shit, for a virus that isn’t as deadly as is being reported, you can promptly suck my dick. Y’all acting like this the walking dead virus or a virus that kills 1/3 people. IT AINT
fraze
12-12-2020, 12:40 PM
If you wearing a mask would save even one life you should do it.
If you don't have the human decency to do it on your own, it should be made the law of the land.
Because it saves lifes.
People's lives are worth more than your slight inconvenience in wearing a mask.
If you wearing a mask would save even one life you should do it.
If you don't have the human decency to do it on your own, it should be made the law of the land.
Because it saves lifes.
People's lives are worth more than your slight inconvenience in wearing a mask.
You regurgitated that so nicely that you could be a news anchor or politician.
How about this, the people who are at risk can stay home! Then they’ll never be around me. Their life is safe. Mine is unhindered. Everyone wins.
Kill Spree
12-12-2020, 01:10 PM
You guys still going at it? Go outside
fraze
12-12-2020, 01:12 PM
You regurgitated that so nicely that you could be a news anchor or politician.
How about this, the people who are at risk can stay home! Then they’ll never be around me. Their life is safe. Mine is unhindered. Everyone wins.
Sure that would work. Too bad it's not remotely realistic.
And nothing is regurgitated. I based my opinions on the data (and happened to come to the same conclusions as most reasonable adults: enact policies to limit deaths while minimizing the negative economic impact).
It's not my fault you're having trouble connecting the same dots.
I’m so tired of the “selfishness” rhetoric. We are doing all this for mostly old people. THE NUMBERS back that up. The overwhelmingly majority of these deaths and “probable” deaths are mostly over 50 and/or have other health issues. That’s inarguable.
Why don’t THEY stay home, (under a suggestion, not a mandate). You’re telling me it’s worth millions losing jobs because the at risk people can’t stay home?? Who’s really selfish. Make it make sense
Sure that would work. Too bad it's not remotely realistic.
And nothing is regurgitated. I based my opinions on the data (and happened to come to the same conclusions as most reasonable adults: enact policies to limit deaths while minimizing the negative economic impact).
It's not my fault you're having trouble connecting the same dots.
LMAOOO WHAT YOU PUT IN PARANTHESIS IS LAUGHABLE. You can’t believe that. Lockdowns “minimized negative economic impact” lmaoooooo who can’t be serious
Sure that would work. Too bad it's not remotely realistic.
And nothing is regurgitated. I based my opinions on the data (and happened to come to the same conclusions as most reasonable adults: enact policies to limit deaths while minimizing the negative economic impact).
It's not my fault you're having trouble connecting the same dots.
And how the hell is it not realistic? Suggesting people stay home is unrealistic?!?? Isn’t that what’s happening?!? Wow the contradictions
HEY! LOCKING DOWN THE WHOLE WORLD IS REALISTIC!
ONLY LOCKING DOWN OLD AND UNHEALTHY PEOPLE ISNT!
You sound stupid
Quarantining the sick and unhealthy and frail makes sense.
Quarantining the healthy does not!
It’s like y’all actually believe everyone has this disease already.
fraze
12-12-2020, 01:23 PM
Except for the small fact that I haven't been advocating lockdowns.
At this point, I'm down to agree to disagree. Talking past you is a waste of my time.
Except for the small fact that I haven't been advocating lockdowns.
At this point, I'm down to agree to disagree. Talking past you is a waste of my time.
Cool. Well I commend you, for actually attempting to talk sense instead of pure troll. You may not be MIT educated in real life but you aren’t a bumbling idiot
fraze
12-12-2020, 02:03 PM
Cool. Well I commend you, for actually attempting to talk sense instead of pure troll. You may not be MIT educated in real life but you aren’t a bumbling idiot
Lmao that you think I need your validation about where I went to school. I wasn't saying it to brag, just explaining where I get my perspective from.
uh-oh
12-12-2020, 02:10 PM
i think the real question is how fat will that vax stimmy be
i aint doing it for 1200
but im open to negotiate
i think the real question is how fat will that vax stimmy be
i aint doing it for 1200
but im open to negotiate
2500 minimum, only for people who make no more than $X per year
Maybe 100-150k or so
Eviction
12-12-2020, 07:38 PM
the stimulus will be 1200, 600 or nothing I mean we will just have to pay it back.
I'm using that shit on a new pc build if it goes through haha.
I put my first one in robbinhood not touching it till after this shits over lol.
fraze a legitimate cockroach compliant house nigga.
dawg the median age for covid related deaths is 83
83
any case suspected of having covid, for which the testing has been heavily criticized for cross-contamination by inept bolster staff, who dies within 30 days of said positive (questionable) test is misattributed as a covid death despite the actual cause
masks mandated several months into an ostensible pandemic is like forcing me to bag it after i spunked in your baby momma thinking it will be ayt
the virological doubts as to the legitmacy of sars-2 covid-19 but what the fuck we getting vaccinated for tho?
stfu son
Eviction
12-13-2020, 01:25 AM
I wonder what the death troll for Muslims are, they are always wearing a mask.
dead man
12-13-2020, 02:23 AM
i feel like everyone has spent the last 9 months blaming each other for why things aren't going their way. because lots of people cant make a living and thats clearly fucked up
in my mind, our entire COVID situation in the US is really pretty simple and we all know it comes down to wealth
every single member of our legislative branch that rallied against ANY sort of genuine financial bailout for small businesses and households for the entire year of 2020 is responsible. simply shameful.
correct me if i'm wrong, but i feel most folks would've been happy to stay at home for a few weeks +, COLLECTIVELY, to help this pass if they could afford to eat and sleep and smoke and see their doctor at the same time. a vast majority of people don't really like their fucking jobs to begin with
conglomerates are too big to fail but a fair amount of the population has been utterly failed. and naturally, we find ways to fault one another. so now for masker and anti-masker Americans to be recreating this weird OPEN VS CLOSE civil war scenario in the face of an openly manufactured state of panic is pretty sad to see. i suspect the vaccine wars will be similar. i'm still on the fence myself.
everyone has their opinions re: whether to resume regular life or not. does it not boil down to our desire to survive comfortably? we can afford to survive comfortably as a country but fund allocation is everything. we're seeing 7 mile lines for food banks. something is clearly wrong here. and we wont solve it protesting whether we have to wear bandanas on our noses to order a beer
uh-oh
12-13-2020, 06:13 AM
the people in favor of lockdowns don't look into the actual effects of the lockdowns. its not just people losing jobs, businesses/mental health, crime etc effected, locking down 1st world countries is sentencing 3rd world humans to death.
https://www.reuters.com/article/nobel-prize-peace-int/270-million-people-face-starvation-says-wfp-as-it-receives-nobel-peace-prize-idUSKBN28K1FJ
270 million people set to starve to death, 30 million of which is a direct result of 1st world nations locking down. thats the equivalent of 82,192 human beings dying every day, if you divide it by 365, because the government wants to look out for your grandma
fraze
12-13-2020, 07:49 AM
dawg the median age for covid related deaths is 83
the fact that you're quoting the median age like that's a useful number for understanding the distribution of covid deaths tells me your opinion has close to zero value.
i would break down why, but i'm content with knowing you're a moron. i could give a fuck who agrees/disagrees
Got damn it brings me joy to see not everyone is a brainwashed idiot.
Word to Eng & The Art of War, the quickest way to destroy the enemy is to divide the army. Divide and conquer. You want masks to be polarizing. You want the vaccine to be polarizing. That way people are fighting each other and not who they SHOULD be fighting.
I’ve seen people on social media say they’ve lost relationships with family over this! I mean cmon
I wonder what the death troll for Muslims are, they are always wearing a mask.
Idk if you trolling or not but I am also curious to see the Covid numbers of cultures that always keep their face covered.
fraze
12-13-2020, 08:51 AM
the quickest way to destroy the enemy is to divide the army. Divide and conquer. You want masks to be polarizing. You want the vaccine to be polarizing. That way people are fighting each other and not who they SHOULD be fighting.
we finally agree on something.
Oh by the way, anyone who doesn’t think we are headed to “you must be vaccinated to do anything”
Check out Gates ted talk interview from 8 months ago. Here’s a link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe8fIjxicoo
Starting at about 34:20 he says it plain and clear “eventually we’ll have to have certificates of who’s a recovered person, who’s a vaccinated person”
BUT WAIT listen until 34:35 where the interviewer starts another question. Done?
Now go here: https://www.instagram.com/p/CIj3F0Rlsqs/
This post contains the original audio. You can very clearly see him say “eventually there will be some digital immunity proof that will help facilitate the global opening up...” in this clip.
TED SCRUBBED THAT PART OUT
Literally edited it out.
And even better gates is claiming he never said that.
Clear as day
Tell me why would they do that
For those who know how to look and what to listen for, there’s hella inconsistencies. Massive contradictions. That’s why I’m adamant you mfers with healthy intuition keep ya guard up, and you mfers just “going with the flow” start questioning things for once in your life.
It’s not conspiracy to question a situation that ultimately removes your rights when you did nothing wrong.
Safety is the alibi of tyranny
Sharp
12-13-2020, 09:52 AM
the people in favor of lockdowns don't look into the actual effects of the lockdowns. its not just people losing jobs, businesses/mental health, crime etc effected, locking down 1st world countries is sentencing 3rd world humans to death.
https://www.reuters.com/article/nobel-prize-peace-int/270-million-people-face-starvation-says-wfp-as-it-receives-nobel-peace-prize-idUSKBN28K1FJ
270 million people set to starve to death, 30 million of which is a direct result of 1st world nations locking down. thats the equivalent of 82,192 human beings dying every day, if you divide it by 365, because the government wants to look out for your grandma
We definitely need to be looking ahead now that there's a vaccine coming, and there is a strong correlation between unemployment and overdose deaths, so I agree that there's a lot that should be done
BUT
The 30 million refers to the number of people the WFP helps directly. That figure comes from the WFP president addressing the UN, asking for funding. It's not the number of people who face starvation as a direct result of lockdown policies on the supply chain (I don't think that number can be accurately estimated but, compounded by all the outside factors (war, political unrest, general Africa things) it's likely more than the total virus deaths). This guy is also a total vaccine shill btw
https://www.wfp.org/news/wfp-chief-warns-grave-dangers-economic-impact-coronavirus-millions-are-pushed-further-hunger
Your continued support for humanitarian programmes is critical right now. It’s a matter of life and death - literally. For millions of people in the countries being discussed today. And for many millions more in the other countries edging closer to the brink of starvation. We know that, already, there are 30 million people who rely solely on WFP for their survival. That’s the only food they get. If they don’t get the food we provide, the die.
Family BANNED FOR LIFE from flying United because their TWO YEAR OLD wouldn’t put on a mask even though they were trying.
This is the lunacy you guys advocate for? How can you NOT THINK THIS IS CRAZY
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CIt2PXAAcva/?igshid=ty921kvwuk4p
Disney world was PHOTOSHOPPING MASKS ON THEIR GUESTS
https://www.google.com/amp/s/mashable.com/article/walt-disney-world-photoshop-masks-pandemic.amp
Y’all crazy af
The French virologist who won the Nobel peace prize for his part in discovering HIV, studied Covid and came out and said it wasn’t completely natural, at least a part of it had to have been altered by a molecular biologist.
Crickets from mainstream media
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a7nld57f2M
He we have ontario’s chief medical officers ....
In the middle of telling you sheep “even with the vaccine you still have to do XYZ” (how do you guys fall for this???)
caught in a hot mic moment confirming what people already knew...
She literally says “I just say whatever they write down for me”
THESE TALKING HEADS ON TV ARE PAWNS WAKE UP GUYS
https://www.bitchute.com/video/CDcj9YuLxDBn/
Sharp
12-16-2020, 10:31 AM
So what happens to those of us who get the vaccine?
So what happens to those of us who get the vaccine?
We will find out won’t we?
All I know is the guy who seems to be running things said on stage “we can reduce the human population by 10-15% if we do a really good job with VACCINES, health care, and reproductive health care ” .
Go ahead and get it if you want to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQNz9ocoCTM
Ghost1
12-16-2020, 10:49 AM
We will find out won’t we?
All I know is the guy who seems to be running things said on stage “we can reduce the human population by 10-15% if we do a really good job with VACCINES, health care, and reproductive health care ” .
Go ahead and get it if you want to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQNz9ocoCTM
Took me like 2 min literally to pull up the entire original ted talk and see that he's referring to carbon emissions lol
Get some air weirdo
Took me like 2 min literally to pull up the entire original ted talk and see that he's referring to carbon emissions lol
Get some air weirdo
You’re an idiot becsuse if you saw the whole video (which you admitted you didn’t) you’d realize he was not talking about carbon emissions in this clip. Also the clip is comprised of 4 different talks/interviews where he advocated for a reduction in populations growth. Are you saying he’s talking about carbon emissions in all 4?
Of course not.
Try again but watch the vid this time
Sharp
12-16-2020, 10:56 AM
We will find out won’t we?
All I know is the guy who seems to be running things said on stage “we can reduce the human population by 10-15% if we do a really good job with VACCINES, health care, and reproductive health care ” .
Go ahead and get it if you want to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQNz9ocoCTM
I would think the guy trying to get contraceptives and reproductive health care to africa would probably anticipate a drop in population growth if he's successful, sure
I would think the guy trying to get contraceptives and reproductive health care to africa would probably anticipate a drop in population growth if he's successful, sure
Sure.
He still has the ultimate goal of reducing population growth
He’s largely influential when it comes to these vaccines.
Vaccine injuries happen.
Vaccines have caused sterility before.
This is the fastest vaccine in history.
You’ll be perfectly fine if you don’t take one.
^
These are the dots I’m connecting.
And I looked up “can you sue if you get injured from Covid vaccine?”:
From an article-
Menezes also explained that someone injured by a countermeasure, such as a COVID-19 vaccine, right now, could not seek recovery from the manufacturer.
“Potentially liable parties such as vaccine manufacturers are immune from liability under the Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness Act. That individual could also not seek relief under the VICP. The only recovery available for that person is the CICP. If he or she does not make a claim within 1 year, then that person has no other course of action for that injury. So people need to know about this program.”
The one-year statute of limitations for the CICP runs from the time the countermeasure was administered.
TLDR- You have ONE YEAR to file for compensation of ANY INJURY from the vaccine. After the first year you get NOTHING and CANT SUE
I bet they don’t even let you know that before you take it! Somebody that takes it should confirm
Pharaohs Army
12-16-2020, 05:22 PM
The real question is will schools MANDATE kids be vaccinated?
There are some parents who don't want their children to take the vaccine (for various reasons).
I disagree with a mandate because it doesn't make sense. If YOUR child gets vaccinated it shouldn't matter if little Timmy DIDN'T and he gets COVID. Because your child is immune.
fraze
12-17-2020, 05:36 AM
The French virologist who won the Nobel peace prize for his part in discovering HIV, studied Covid and came out and said it wasn’t completely natural, at least a part of it had to have been altered by a molecular biologist.
Crickets from mainstream media
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a7nld57f2M
For anyone interested in a different perspective.
If what Montagnier said is true, then the whole family of Coronavirus (originated 10,000 years ago) is lab-made, which obviously is a farcical argument. Many have pointed out this obvious flaw in Montagnier's argument; Prof. Étienne Simon-Lorière of the Institut Pasteur in Paris for instance: “These are very small elements that we find in other viruses of the same family, other coronaviruses in nature. If we take a word from a book and it looks like another word, can we say that one has copied from the other? This is absurd!”
https://felix-bast.medium.com/luc-montagnier-and-covid-19-conspiracy-theory-90b768d4d470
fraze
12-17-2020, 05:40 AM
The real question is will schools MANDATE kids be vaccinated?
There are some parents who don't want their children to take the vaccine (for various reasons).
I disagree with a mandate because it doesn't make sense. If YOUR child gets vaccinated it shouldn't matter if little Timmy DIDN'T and he gets COVID. Because your child is immune.
Kids aren't actually immune to covid. They have lower incidents rates. There have been small numbers of kids to die from covid. 3 deaths at the time of this report from April. So just hope your kid isn't one of the unlucky ones.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6914e4.htm
EDITED:
Misread your post. As you were.
The reason for mandate in schools is they're trying to stop the virus from spreading and children can be carriers. Its the same reason the Polio vaccine is mandated before kids go to school.
I would generally agree with rights to personal freedom except when they infringe on the health/lives of others. Your freedom stops when it becomes deadly.
fraze
12-17-2020, 05:55 AM
This mask debate is like we're all living in Jaws.
Some people think its ok to jump in the water with cuts. "It's my right to do whatever I want. Sharks don't really kill people. Those are just fake corpses floating over there. There are only big goldfish in this ocean but the main stream media refuses to cover it."
Meanwhile, I'm just asking you to keep your bleeding ass away from me. If you come near me with that shit, the feeding frenzy will start, and people other than your dumb ass will die. Your blood (virus particles) can take a situation that was only dangerous to you and make it dangerous for everyone around you.
This mask debate is like we're all living in Jaws.
Some people think its ok to jump in the water with cuts. "It's my right to do whatever I want. Sharks don't really kill people. Those are just fake corpses floating over there. There are only big goldfish in this ocean but the main stream media refuses to cover it."
Meanwhile, I'm just asking you to keep your bleeding ass away from me. If you come near me with that shit, the feeding frenzy will start, and people other than your dumb ass will die. Your blood (virus particles) can take a situation that was only dangerous to you and make it dangerous for everyone around you.
This analogy is actually perfect. Your chance of getting attacked by a shark is roughly 1 in 11 million or so. (Similar to dying from Covid). And the people with cuts are basically saying, well, stay your ass on the sand and you won’t get bit. (Similar to staying home) Don’t ban swimming for everyone cuz YOURE afraid of sharks. (Similar to lockdowns)
Great job
. Sharks don't really kill people. Those are just fake corpses floating over there. There are only big goldfish in this ocean but the main stream media refuses to cover it
Upon further review, this is the main problem- stereotyping. People think that “conspiracy theorists” believe every conspiracy out there and lump everything together into “I believe all of this”.
How arrogant to believe you’re the only one with discernment.
“Sharks don’t really kill people/they’re big goldfish” would be analogous to “Covid doesn’t kill people/doesn’t exist”
Nobody’s saying that.
Diode
12-17-2020, 09:24 AM
what in the name of d list chyyiiin is happening here
Diode
12-17-2020, 09:25 AM
i feel a trial coming on for this moron
Ghost1
12-17-2020, 12:26 PM
what in the name of d list chyyiiin is happening here
Coop thinks population control to reduce carbon emissions is a thinly veiled guise for bill gates to murder people with vaccines
uh-oh
12-17-2020, 05:35 PM
Your freedom stops when it becomes deadly.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
https://www.pngitem.com/pimgs/m/562-5624872_ben-franklin-with-usa-flag-mask-100-dollar.png
Pakistani Hand Cannon
12-17-2020, 05:35 PM
pearls & swine & all that.
fraze
12-17-2020, 05:38 PM
This analogy is actually perfect. Your chance of getting attacked by a shark is roughly 1 in 11 million or so. (Similar to dying from Covid). And the people with cuts are basically saying, well, stay your ass on the sand and you won’t get bit. (Similar to staying home) Don’t ban swimming for everyone cuz YOURE afraid of sharks. (Similar to lockdowns)
Great job
So you're against lifeguards shutting down the beach when a shark is sighted?
Yeah, it's silly to tell people to get out when its just a normal day at the beach. But in this situation, we can see the fins, but you're still yelling at the beach patrol cause you're still trying to swim.
Eviction
12-17-2020, 05:46 PM
yall see where santa clause got vaccinated lol?
Eviction
12-17-2020, 05:47 PM
So you're against lifeguards shutting down the beach when a shark is sighted?
Yeah, it's silly to tell people to get out when its just a normal day at the beach. But in this situation, we can see the fins, but you're still yelling at the beach patrol cause you're still trying to swim.
yea because if I'm getting in the ocean I know there are sharks in there already.
uh-oh
12-17-2020, 05:49 PM
hey guys the analogy blows
Eviction
12-17-2020, 05:53 PM
give him a break he's from louisville closest we got to the ocean is the ohio river LOL. they said there some big ass fish in there that could eat a man though.
Pharaohs Army
12-17-2020, 07:36 PM
Kids aren't actually immune to covid. They have lower incidents rates. There have been small numbers of kids to die from covid. 3 deaths at the time of this report from April. So just hope your kid isn't one of the unlucky ones.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6914e4.htm
EDITED:
Misread your post. As you were.
The reason for mandate in schools is they're trying to stop the virus from spreading and children can be carriers. Its the same reason the Polio vaccine is mandated before kids go to school.
I would generally agree with rights to personal freedom except when they infringe on the health/lives of others. Your freedom stops when it becomes deadly.
How is it infringing on the health&rights of others when those others are free to get vaccinated whenever they want? This is the faulty logic I was initially pointing out.
Sharp
12-17-2020, 08:35 PM
hey guys the analogy blows
fuck you we need to explore this further
lets say the shark has HIV. Then what?
Would it be different if he got the AIDS from needle sharing or gay shark sex?
fraze
12-17-2020, 10:32 PM
How is it infringing on the health&rights of others when those others are free to get vaccinated whenever they want? This is the faulty logic I was initially pointing out.
It really isn't that complicated.
You're infringing on others' rights by spreading the virus. Spreading the virus kills people.
Even with vaccinations, a 95% success rate means 1 in 20 people will still get COVID. Vaccines don't mean no one will die anymore just fewer people.
fraze
12-17-2020, 10:36 PM
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
https://www.pngitem.com/pimgs/m/562-5624872_ben-franklin-with-usa-flag-mask-100-dollar.png
"Dead people don't get freedom or safety."
-fraze
It really isn't that complicated.
You're infringing on others' rights by spreading the virus. Spreading the virus kills people.
Even with vaccinations, a 95% success rate means 1 in 20 people will still get COVID. Vaccines don't mean no one will die anymore just fewer people.
Basically Pharaoh, he’s ignoring the infringing of rights of everyone else. And no, he does not see the faulty logic, even with his MIT degree
So you're against lifeguards shutting down the beach when a shark is sighted?
Yeah, it's silly to tell people to get out when its just a normal day at the beach. But in this situation, we can see the fins, but you're still yelling at the beach patrol cause you're still trying to swim.
In this situation it’d be more like, the lifeguard is saying because there’s a shark at this beach, you can’t go to anymore beaches. Oh, and you lose your job
Master Rock
12-18-2020, 09:22 AM
These thread is a decent overall read. Lots of perspectives and educated opinions.
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CI7CuMGAHv3/?igshid=1dyrf462k146x
She took the vaccine and passed out in the middle of talking about it smh
“Fastest vaccine ever created, only a single digit percent chance of some bad shit happening to you! And if it happens after a year, you’re screwed. No chance to sue or get compensated! But don’t worry, YOU NEED IT or else you’ll have a 0.000001 chance of severe issues from Covid. So, just do it!”
Yeah great idea
Ghost1
12-18-2020, 12:00 PM
These thread is a decent overall read. Lots of perspectives and educated opinions.
Gone
Physicians basically saying this is an experimental vaccine and it should never be mandated. Any doctor offering the experimental vaccine to those groups with a 99.99% chance of survival are violating their Hippocratic oath:
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CI8sc5ggrzE/?igshid=5v0uyt3xzjkk
Kill Spree
12-18-2020, 04:10 PM
Physicians basically saying this is an experimental vaccine and it should never be mandated. Any doctor offering the experimental vaccine to those groups with a 99.99% chance of survival are violating their Hippocratic oath:
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CI8sc5ggrzE/?igshid=5v0uyt3xzjkk
Bro take a break from this thread...
Bro take a break from this thread...
You the thread police?
Highly reputable group of physicians testify to Congress that ivermectin is extremely effective as a prophylactic agent and question NIH/CDC/FDA why all treatment now are novel/expensive, and no task forces are put together to review repurposed drugs
“If you take it you will not get sick”
This is major news
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bf8DOQqPOww&feature=youtu.be#menu
Kill Spree
12-18-2020, 05:10 PM
You the thread police?
Nvm hang yourself faggot
Pakistani Hand Cannon
12-19-2020, 12:43 AM
skimmed thread.
fraze, you been marked out. sit down you teleprompter faggot.
uhoh dropped a jewel about lockdowns.
coop, salute my G
& anyone who is remotely open to looking at a potential broader perspective - even if you disagree with it - salute
ouch you dont count you spacehead muthafucka
4 workers in Chicago had adverse side effects from the “fastest vaccine ever”. They decided to pause the vaccine smh
https://www.foxnews.com/health/chicago-area-hospital-pauses-vaccinations-after-4-workers-experience-adverse-reactions-report
We only a few days into this and many reports of bad shit happening to people. Stay sleep if y’all want to
Master Rock
12-19-2020, 08:37 PM
Gone
Yes, with the wind my friend.
fraze
12-19-2020, 11:11 PM
4 workers in Chicago had adverse side effects from the “fastest vaccine ever”. They decided to pause the vaccine smh
https://www.foxnews.com/health/chicago-area-hospital-pauses-vaccinations-after-4-workers-experience-adverse-reactions-report
We only a few days into this and many reports of bad shit happening to people. Stay sleep if y’all want to
One worker, described as a middle-aged woman with no previous allergy history, stabilized after treatment Tuesday following a rapid heartbeat, trouble breathing and a skin rash and redness, CBS News reported. She was admitted to a Juneau hospital for monitoring.
The second employee experienced milder symptoms, including eye puffiness, lightheadedness and a scratchy throat, the report said.
You're acting like it made people grow a third arm or something. These are pretty mild symptoms compared to, you know, death.
fraze
12-19-2020, 11:21 PM
Basically Pharaoh, he’s ignoring the infringing of rights of everyone else. And no, he does not see the faulty logic, even with his MIT degree
I'm not ignoring anyone's rights. I'm making a comparison between one group of people's right to live vs another groups right to make personal health choices.
When people's rights come into conflict, there's a difference between ignoring their rights and asserting that one of these rights is more important than the other.
I think it is more important to be able to protect lives than to guarantee everyone's right to not wear a mask during a public health crisis. The vaccine is a different story because people have a right to control what goes inside their bodies.
It's funny to me that you call me out for faulty logic, but you have posted zero solutions to the elevated death rates caused by COVID. You're ignoring people dying, lmao.
You're acting like it made people grow a third arm or something. These are pretty mild symptoms compared to, you know, death.
Why compare mild symptoms of the vaccine to the worst possible symptom of covid? Oh wait... cuz they have abut the same chance of happening. Right, good job
you have posted zero solutions to the elevated death rates caused by COVID. You're ignoring people dying, lmao.
How about this, the people who are at risk can stay home! Then they’ll never be around me. Their life is safe. Mine is unhindered. Everyone wins.
It really is simple. The people you are referring to that are likely to die (mostly elderly or with other health complications) THEY are the ones who should stay home 24/7. I have yet to have ANYONE tell me how someone can catch corona by staying home 24/7.
Everyone else should be able to resume daily lives as normal, no mask mandate, no forced vaccine. Call it at your own risk if you must but lockdowns are killing more than the virus is.
fraze
12-20-2020, 05:33 PM
You can't only keep elderly people at home because people who aren't at risk are still carriers. You can't isolate at risks populations 100% because they generally need care. You would also need to isolate caretakers. But if caretakers are mixing with general population with widespread community infections, you're going to end up killing the elderly anyway.
Also, deaths and health complications AREN'T limited to the elderly. A lot of it is luck of the draw. If you get a bad case you can die or have permanent disability even if you're young and considered "healthy".
Not to mention hospital capacity. We're maxed out now with the interventions that have been put in place. When you run out of hospital capacity completely death rates will go up across the board for covid/non-covid because you can no longer keep up with treating preventable disease.
As we've discussed, "Just stay at home" is not a realistic option for stopping the spread of the virus and stopping deaths.
A report just put out by the CDC shows in UK 2.79% of people who took the vaccine had “health impact events”
Defined as “Unable to perform normal daily activities, unable to work, required care from doctor”
Crickets from mainstream media
Remember, you can’t sue anyone if you get messed up
Link: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2020-12/slides-12-19/05-COVID-CLARK.pdf
Pakistani Hand Cannon
12-30-2020, 03:41 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIr0WB4pYWc
Crickets from mainstream media
Remember, you can’t sue anyone if you get messed up
El Muffin
12-30-2020, 04:22 AM
Don’t fret. I’m definitely not taking it
Not because of videos like the above
Just intuition . & it’s definitely triggering an internal alarm that I can’t even begin to explain
I just know that it hasn’t let me down yet
Answer
12-30-2020, 07:20 AM
My wife got it 2 weeks ago, it makes your arm sore
My wife got it 2 weeks ago, it makes your arm sore
So did stroking me off.
Answer
12-30-2020, 07:57 AM
So did stroking me off.
Drop your location
Nvm I see it’s at my house. I’m running this fade. I’m pulling up with twisted tea in 5
big baby
12-30-2020, 01:06 PM
bb got vaccinate. feel power cursing thru vayne
White LGI
12-30-2020, 04:29 PM
This shit shrunk my dick
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