is World War 3 going to happen?

[john hensley]

with the Iran, China trade and military deal, and Trump's appointment of Kash Patel who is an expert on Hezbollah, as his leader for the DoD, I think somethings gonna go down.

[fraze]

Yeah probably. But not much any of us can do about it, so...

[Eviction]

One can argue that world war 3 already happened.

[El Muffin]

Idk why but I’m under the impression worldwide conventional wars won’t happen in our lifetimes

Just some proxy bs .. like what’s been happening since the 70s-80s on up until now

And I don’t think there will ever be an exchange of nukes either .. as much as ppl like to compare stockpiles

Just a dick swinging contest but I understand the premise Of developing such weaponry

Mfs will speculate on ww3 happening soon just like they do every time there’s a conflict of interest between us and any other major power

Wars usually have objectives that both sides want to see through . No one benefits from all out destruction & there’s no winner..

That being said .. I can guarantee we will see bunches of wars that are on some falklands type shit

[El Muffin]

One can argue that world war 3 already happened.

Elaborate would you kindly

[Smod of War]

Nah

[El Muffin]

Falklands is a bad example . Disregard

More applicable is the Soviet afghan war

Imo We will see plenty of shit like that

[fraze]

There is likely to be conflict as China rises to become a new world power.

Russia is also struggling against decline and have taken an agressive stance against the West.

Iran and North Korea are unstable nuclear powers.

Terrorism (and the desire to fight wars to stop it is still a thing).

The United States is arguably in decline and has incentives to use its military industrial engine for perpetual war to stabilize its position.

And if you were a power player in any of these situations, would you rather take action during the waning days of the chaos of Trump or in a more stable and assertive Biden administration?

Not saying conflict will definitely happen. But the shit is ripe.

[El Muffin]

“The shit has been ripe “every few years since goddamn desert storm just like mfs mention NK every year as if they are on the brink of launching those mfs . Reminds me of chyeah and elenin

Im skeptical

I like how you put Biden and assertive in the same sentence too lol nice touch

All jokes aside .. I hear you on the capitalizing on our powerful military Talking point but this wouidnt be ww2. I don’t see a war on that scale ever contributing to the economy like that ever again...

Proxy wars or lopsided contests till the death of us . Watch

[Geno]

Yes. The better question is when

[Destroyer]

I’m in a contender match and I already have two votes against me

So, it’s possible

[El Muffin]

Yes. The better question is when

Not in your lifetime

When was the last worldwide conventional war ?


...


You weren’t alive

It’s been the biggest lapse of time in between those kind of wars And there’s a reason for that

[Geno]

Exactly, -when.

[El Muffin]

Word , word

It’s just every other year these talks arise

Given the circumstances and present situation I don’t think anything stands out as a warning sign pointing towards impending war

Especially not someone In particular being in office Over here like OP mentioned ( kash Patel )

[El Muffin]

I’m in a contender match and I already have two votes against me

So, it’s possible

Vintage destro

[El Muffin]

I think 2014 was the last time I felt there could of been a chain of events that led to ww3

With Russia fkn w/ the Crimea & all that

We all see what happened with that . Absolute disdain and indifference

A fucking speech chastising the Russians lmao

Tbh I’ve never been concerned with crackhead North Korea . Only if they suddenly become resolute & try to unify the mainland . Buttttt .. that’s not happening anytime soon either . Based on how things have somewhat tapered off in comparison to a decade ( maybe less) ago

[Sharp]

I think muff's got it. We already fight proxy wars. Eventually it may bubble over to an EU/NATO/whatever type alliance being directly attacked, but even that wouldn't be enough on its own to drag the whole world into direct conflict.

[El Muffin]

Definitely not naïveté either

Believe me my nihilistic ass lowkey wants something tremendous to happen . Spice my life up some more woukd you kindly lmao

But nahhhh .

[Diode]

no.

[fraze]

“The shit has been ripe “every few years since goddamn desert storm just like mfs mention NK every year as if they are on the brink of launching those mfs . Reminds me of chyeah and elenin

Im skeptical

I like how you put Biden and assertive in the same sentence too lol nice touch

All jokes aside .. I hear you on the capitalizing on our powerful military Talking point but this wouidnt be ww2. I don’t see a war on that scale ever contributing to the economy like that ever again...

Proxy wars or lopsided contests till the death of us . Watch

Biden is assertive in the sense that he follows the classical consensus on American foreign policy where when our adversaries do something that hurts us we do something back. Trump follows a different school of thought.

The difference between current situation and the previous era of single polar US dominance and former colder war era is the increased number of players in large power competition. It's easy to maintain a stalemate when no one can compete with the US (any war is a guaranteed lose) or when there is an opponent of equal strength (mutual assured destruction).

Once you get to a 3 polar world, two people have incentives to gang up on the other person and make it a 2 person game (then hopefully win that contest and be the sole power).

China is entering the game now. That will have effects on the power dynamics.

[Smod of War]

There is likely to be conflict as China rises to become a new world power.

Russia is also struggling against decline and have taken an agressive stance against the West.

Iran and North Korea are unstable nuclear powers.

Terrorism (and the desire to fight wars to stop it is still a thing).

The United States is arguably in decline and has incentives to use its military industrial engine for perpetual war to stabilize its position.

And if you were a power player in any of these situations, would you rather take action during the waning days of the chaos of Trump or in a more stable and assertive Biden administration?

Not saying conflict will definitely happen. But the shit is ripe.

More stable and assertive Biden administration? LMAO you’ve gotta be smoking dick

[fraze]

this is what i get for trying to discuss geopolitics on a text battling board.

[El Muffin]

China’s been capable tho for eons

Nothing you saying is cause for alarm

You act like they are some emerging power

Plus .. a more stable or assertive figurehead Being in power doesn’t make us more likely to engage in something on a massive scale as opposed to a chaotic one


That’s like saying North Korea is more prone to go to war with a pacifist at the helm

So that condescending shit is beyond me .. chill

[fraze]

No China 100% is an emerging power. Use google. I'll wait.

The biggest question in political science right now is how the world will navigate the rise of China as global power.


Apologies if tone is condescending, but most of the stuff I said is accepted as fact if you're reading up on this stuff. It makes for frustrating conversations when you have to argue to get basic premises accepted.

[Pharaohs Army]

Wars of the future will have large EMPs and the hacking of large power systems and other important utilities.

[El Muffin]

^Aware of that . But there would be boots on the ground too I’d imagine

& Fraze .. no big deal . I’ve read up on it too .. I just find it hard to use the term emerging when they’ve been militarily capable of going toe to toe with other major powers for years now

But yeah .. they are becoming increasingly terrifying when you factor in their growth and things of that nature .. so I see what you mean

[fraze]

I guess if I want to be technically correct I should call them an emerging "great" power.

The last time there were multiple great powers in the world (Britain, Germany, Japan, US, Russia) was WWII.

After the war, there were only two great powers until the fall of the soviet union when there was one.

We are still in a uni-polar world with the US having a significant advantage against any other country in defense spending (read: more guns and better technology) and the ability to rapidly project force anywhere on the planet.

Russia wants to reclaim their status as a great power but they've been hurt by sanctions since Ukraine invasion and can't win a head to head fight with the US. That's why they prefer proxy wars and electoral subterfuge.

China has been rising as great power largely on their growing economic strength as globalism moved manufacturing to China and moved large swaths of their population into the world economy. They became the 2nd biggest economy not to long ago and which has allowed them to heavily reinvest in their military (especially in things like artificial intelligence where they are extremely competitive with western tech).

It's actually a pretty big dynamic shift that has only happened in the past decade or so. Trumps presidency has accelerated some of these changes by hurting US status and destabilizing alliances.

Russia (Syria, Ukraine war, assassinations, political interference, economic warfare using oil and natural gas) and China (democratic suppression in Hong Kong and Taiwan, coalition building in South Pacific and Africa) have both been capitalizing on the power vacuums created. Oh yeah and both countries leaders installed themselves as president for life during the Trump admin.

But what the fuck do I know. Apparently I've been "smoking dick"

[El Muffin]

Not disputing any of that

I’m just curious as to why you think an administration under Biden would lead us to war & not trump . Your logic being that “ he’s more assertive and less chaotic “

the former is up for debate might I add. I guess we shall see

[fraze]

I'm not saying Biden would be more likely to lead us to war. I'm saying the gap before the transition to Biden is an opportunity that some leaders might be looking to take advantage of.

Also to be clear, I'm not saying Biden is assertive. I'm saying he would have a more assertive administration in terms of his stated foreign policy goals. His position on Russia is harsher than Trumps. He will likely be pushing additional sanctions due to their election interference.

It's pretty unlikely Biden would start a war of his own volition.

[El Muffin]

Small window there champ

I hear you tho

[fraze]

I'm not saying it's super likely to happen now. But it's something I would pay attention to because its going to be political chaos in the US at least until Jan. 20. You couldn't design a better opportunity to act with America distracted if you were Vladimir Putin.

[El Muffin]

Got ya .

Lmaooo look who viewing this thread

Troll account attempt fail

You can’t post yet can ya “Donald Trump “ xD

[john hensley]

My original point was to be concerned about the Iran China deal a few months back, and Trump's really recent appointment of an Iranian terrorist specialist as DoD leader before he loses the election.

I don't know if it will be WW3, but I just think there's gonna be some pretty big shit that happens.

[El Muffin]

Don’t get me excited cause I akways end up let down :(

[Eviction]

Elaborate would you kindly

I don't have any points to back up that comment, but if you think about it all countries are beefing, while not a physical war "yet".