There is no debate.

[Amen]

Tom Brady is THE GOAT.

[Answer]

Hot take

[UPN Zuch]

This thread hasn’t been necessary for years, bro.

[Eviction]

all these bandwagon fans cheering for the team that is winning, I'm still over here saying how about them colts.

[Amen]

This thread hasn’t been necessary for years, bro.

No. He’s always in conversations of being ONE OF. Not ONE OF, he is THE GOAT.

[UPN Zuch]

No. He’s always in conversations of being ONE OF. Not ONE OF, he is THE GOAT.

Welp, anyone who didn’t call him the GOAT 5 years ago ain’t gonna call him the GOAT now either. Anybody who watches football and understands it, knew he was the best ever after his 4th ring. He’s never had a weapon. Randy Moss didn’t even win a Super Bowl with him. He’s done it with cast offs his whole career. Gronk is the only one, and he’s a fucking tight end.

[Finnydot]

Moss went to the 18-1 SB.

[Answer]

Brady has more rings than anyone in history, has more touchdown passes than any quarterback in history, and by next season he will have more passing yards and completions than anyone in history. He could’ve lost today and it still would’ve been the same

Mahomes still needs to pave his way and has potential to be a great, and others will come eventually, but Brady has been established in that spot for a while now. Just getting the Bucs into a wildcard spot was enough because it shakes any speculation that the patriots system was responsible for his success. Everything else is just the icing

[UPN Zuch]

Moss went to the 18-1 SB.

Won one, is what I meant. He is not a part of Brady’s 6.

[Amen]

Just off what he accomplished this year alone is enough of an argument.

All the, he’s average and he has Coach Bill.
He’s just a system QB.
He doesn’t have an arm anymore.

All that bullshit people would toss in arguments over the past decade, is bullshit.

He’s the mother fucking GOAT.

[Pharaohs Army]

He almost lost the game for them today with 3 picks in a row in the second half. What game were you all watching?


Never had any weapons? Excuse me. What a crock of shit. Troy Brown, Randy Moss, Wes Welker (arguably the greatest slot receiver), Julian Edelman (a great slot), Rob Gronkowski (one of the greatest tight ends). And now this year with Evans, AB, and Godwin.
Get your facts straight.

[UPN Zuch]

Just off what he accomplished this year alone is enough of an argument.

All the, he’s average and he has Coach Bill.
He’s just a system QB.
He doesn’t have an arm anymore.

All that bullshit people would toss in arguments over the past decade, is bullshit.

He’s the mother fucking GOAT.

But those same people will say he had “weapons” or that his “defense” carried them against packers, or that the refs helped him. You are never going to swing those people. Ever. They’re haters.

[Amen]

Very true.

[Amen]

He almost lost the game for them today with 3 picks in a row in the second half. What game were you all watching?


Never had any weapons? Excuse me. What a crock of shit. Troy Brown, Randy Moss, Wes Welker (arguably the greatest slot receiver), Julian Edelman (a great slot), Rob Gronkowski (one of the greatest tight ends). And now this year with Evans, AB, and Godwin.
Get your facts straight.

What has Edelman done since Brady’s departure?

I’ll wait...

[Pharaohs Army]

Edelman's a great player and he was hurt this year

[UPN Zuch]

What did Branch do outside of New England?


That dude had to come BACK to Brady in order to be effective.

[UPN Zuch]

https://i.ibb.co/Kqyp08K/127-D1-F71-CBB9-4446-BF1-D-A04-F58-D5-F9-A7.png


Lmao, look at that drop off for Welker when he left New England.


Just because people put up numbers in New England, doesn’t mean they are great. Somebody has to catch the balls there. Welker fell off HARD.

[UPN Zuch]

Lmao just realized his yards cut in HALF. Then down to nothing basically the next year. Thanks for reminding me about Wes Welker.

[Amen]

I ignored his bullshit.

Edelman was hurt Lolol.

GTFOH.

Tom Brady made them great. None of them were GREATS other then Moss.

Only TRUE WEAPON and natural talent.

[UPN Zuch]

Lmao here is Branch falling off in Seattle


https://i.ibb.co/4pvssLz/7546-DA0-E-5-EC3-4-F40-B4-C9-5-D7562-EC5-C85.png

[Amen]

Same could be said about Danny Amendola and Chris Hogan. Great while playing for Brady. Haven't done shit since leaving Brady.

Get it together, Pharaoh.

[UPN Zuch]

Here is randy Moss reviving his career in NE, then disappearing right after


https://i.ibb.co/SxnT71v/6-C3-CC784-AF8-E-465-B-B14-F-9-FC32608-DA39.png



Anyone else?

[UPN Zuch]

Here is the BEST ONE

This is Troy Brown


https://i.ibb.co/jkZ5jhm/056-D1-A4-D-57-C9-492-A-90-B5-0-D51-ECA1-D13-F.png


Take a guess as to what year Brady took over?



Exactly.

[Amen]

Lmao

[UPN Zuch]

@pharoahsarmy where you at? I got my facts straight for you.

[Answer]

Zuch fighting for Brady’s legacy like Tom told him he was gonna bless his nose

[Pharaohs Army]

You've not refuted either point. Brady almost blew the lead with three picks today and he's had adequate weapons (which i listed) throughout his career

[UPN Zuch]

You've not refuted either point. Brady almost blew the lead with three picks today and he's had adequate weapons (which i listed) throughout his career

Uhh what? I didn’t say he played good today. I said the argument is moot. He’s been the goat. Today does not further the legacy in my opinion anyway. Yeah, he didn’t play great. That’s obvious. Nobody said he did. I’m simply addressing your list of players that you consider high quality that in fact weren’t. Danny Amendola is another perfect example. He turns average dudes into stat hounds. He’s done it for 20 years.

[Amen]

Pharaoh a legit retard, lol.

[Blue Bayou]

It's still Joe Montana

[UPN Zuch]

Brady crushes Joe in every category.


Brady also has 6 Super Bowls over joes 4.

10 apps to 4

And far better playoff record

[Amen]

Blue should just focus on his Canadian football league.

[uh-oh]

lamar>

[Blue Bayou]

Brady crushes Joe in every category.


Brady also has 6 Super Bowls over joes 4.

10 apps to 4

And far better playoff record



Shut up with your facts and let me troll amen fuck

[Blue Bayou]

Blue should just focus on his Canadian football league.

The Argos would give the Cheifs a game..

[Pharaohs Army]

I'm not even saying he's not the Goat. Based on his accolades
accolades, he is. But to say he's never had weapons is just flat out wrong.

[Amen]

I'm not even saying he's not the Goat. Based on his accolades
accolades, he is. But to say he's never had weapons is just flat out wrong.

Moss the only one.

Everyone one else that was good under his tenure were nobodies in to weapons created by him.

[UPN Zuch]

I'm not even saying he's not the Goat. Based on his accolades
accolades, he is. But to say he's never had weapons is just flat out wrong.

You’re not getting it bro.


He’s had no advantage at wide receiver over any other QB you want to put in the conversation.

Yes, he had human beings on the field catching the ball. Those guys were not as good, let alone better than any other great QBs human beings.

[UPN Zuch]

Also, how many all pro running backs has he had? Running is half the fucking game and he’s had nobody to take the heat off.

[uh-oh]

they never employed a rushing attack like that tho. how many all pro backs come out of a pass happy spread offense?

[Amen]

they never employed a rushing attack like that tho. how many all pro backs come out of a pass happy spread offense?

They were never really a pass happy spread offense, so not exactly sure where you are going with this?

[Geno]

Is this really a question anymore?

Fuck, i knew this back in 05

[UPN Zuch]

they never employed a rushing attack like that tho. how many all pro backs come out of a pass happy spread offense?

Bro, they run the ball as much as any other team. But they have to use several backs a game to switch it up because they never have an every down back. Even nowadays it’s Sony, James White, Davis, Burkhead all on rotation. They still get the same total carries as any other team.

[uh-oh]

there is like 3 teams with every down backs. they don't exist in todays nfl.

the tom brady patriots were a pass first, dink and dunk, every now and then take a shot type offense. the run game was always secondary, used to keep the defenses honest. even the backs they go after are in the kevin faulk vein, they want them catching them screens and wheel routes out the backfield.

i wouldn't argue against tom brady being the goat, btw and wouldn't have for years lol but lets not pretend any of his backs were given the opportunity to be an all pro in that system.

but for context im a ravens fan. tom bradys whole career im watching him play the ravens, play playoff games and supers bowls. being a ravens fan as well i've witnessed basically every type of run game lol. they've made guys like justin forsett rush for 1200 off the seahawks/jaguars practice squad. sony michel out of college was as talented as anyone. they never gameplanned to make him the guy. all those guys were just pieces for tom brady to utilize

[Amen]

James White was their only RB ever used as a receiver.

[Answer]

So after 3 pages of bs is it safe to say there is, in fact, a debate?

[Amen]

There is none.

Just confused Haters.

[dull boy]

Brady is not the undisputed greatest of all time. Get the fuck outta here.

[Amen]

Brady is not the undisputed greatest of all time. Get the fuck outta here.

Who is?

[Answer]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/tom-brady-is-remarkable-but-lets-cool-it-with-the-greatest-athlete-of-all-time-talk-205423813.html

Damn g, did Pharaohs Army write this

[Pharaohs Army]

I simply disagree with people who call great players like Moss, Welker, Gronk, and Edelman average or scrubs. My position is not that extreme.

[Barcotic]

The Argos would give the Cheifs a game..

[Ouch]

yeah I agree he's the goat... thus far... time will only tell though

[Eviction]

So after 3 pages of bs is it safe to say there is, in fact, a debate?

lol that's like saying no offense.

[Ouch]

No, Brady had a fucking very good team to play with... top paid etc etc for years.

But to take a not so good team like the Bucs, add Brady and you're in the superbowl the next year?.... Uhh yeah you added Gronk but lets be honest here.. I love Gronk but he's not a factor anymore, not really.

And its not quite as impressive as when Lebron went back to the Cav's who sucked major dick and won a championship for them single handed, but its close.

Brady is the GOAT only reason why I don't like him and root against him is because I hate people who somehow win all the time. I even like his personality and I hate almost everyone.

I hate people because they show boat too much, I hate people who don't show boat enough because its like... what you're trying to be all humble? Haha, I should be in that Chappelle show skit with charlie murphy the player haters ball, I'd win... but I'd hate myself afterwards for winning.

[Amen]

Ouch a retard.

[Amen]

Gronk was certainly a factor tonight, retard.

[UPN Zuch]

. Uhh yeah you added Gronk but lets be honest here.. I love Gronk but he's not a factor anymore, not really.


This is gold.

[Immolate]

yeap

[Fart]

GRAVY IS THE BOAT!

[Ouch]

he's the goat for now.. so

[Ouch]

Nigga I shit you not, if my HS coach would've put me in against the state champs... my life would've been different, no uncle Rico.

[Ouch]

I can throw a very hard quick pass... at the age of 34... I'm just talking shit I never played football, well I did but I was about basketball.

[Ouch]

Im a fat boy... well i'm not fat but i'd be like byron leftwhich... and I can throw hard as fuck and accuratly... as a quarterback... but I never tried to do that

[Ouch]

real talk I could probably fuck up mike vick

[Amen]

For now? Lmao

Stfu, retard.

[Blue Bayou]

Lmaoo...ouch is too much man

[Ouch]

For now? Lmao

Stfu, retard.

For now yes, faggot ass nigga.

nothing lasts forever... fuck are you talking about

[Amen]

What a fucking idiot this guy is.

Holy moly.