nicest pen in rap?

[Pakistani Hand Cannon]

past or present.

i woulda said nas if asked years back

now not so certain. still might be...

ab souls high calibre at times, but inconsistent

iont like his music much, but royce is clean, though he dont be saying shit

lupe, though iunno, his shit dense, but the stuff i dont catch could just be garbage, but im lowkey just thinkin its fire

scarface pen game underated, not lyrical miracle shit, but man stay droppin jewels. iunno, i mightve bumped the fix abit too much lately

couple others, i have to let sit & think overtime...jay elec, mick jenkins, conway

lowkey though i made this thread just mostly to say

daylyts pen is stupid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z62c9adCal4

& why am i askin this to a bunch of niggas who still think Eminem is nice

shittt

[Geno]

Nas is my dude.
Thought right up there to.

Nas is the reason i became a lyricist. So imma rock with the god. Songs like this are the reason why..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlyZAoQ9-Hc

[Cereal]

az
lupe
willie the kid
aesop rock
pharoah monch

[Cereal]

tupac
jay z
redman
big pun
nas

[Smod of War]

Fracture

[Amen]

Blue Bayou

[Fracture]

Fracture

Very solid list my man

[dull boy]

Eminem.

The fuck is this thread.

[Loot]

black thought would eat your favorite rapper if he went at their neck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prmQgSpV3fA&t=16s


His schemes are intricate but palatable sonically, even for a casual listener. Dope voice. He's intelligent, and has solid subject matter, yet still makes sure to go the fuck off enough that nobody ever says his name wrong. lol. Nasty boy.

i love em, jay, nasir, etc. Some of the best albums ever in hiphop, and my 3 favorites if im honest.... but if they lyrically went at thought, from a skill standpoint, my money is on Thought.

[Bomb Bard]

black thought would eat your favorite rapper if he went at their neck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prmQgSpV3fA&t=16s


His schemes are intricate but palatable sonically, even for a casual listener. Dope voice. He's intelligent, and has solid subject matter, yet still makes sure to go the fuck off enough that nobody ever says his name wrong. lol. Nasty boy.

i love em, jay, nasir, etc. Some of the best albums ever in hiphop, and my 3 favorites if im honest.... but if they lyrically went at thought, from a skill standpoint, my money is on Thought.

Yes sir

[Loot]

Thought and Royce would probably murder any duo, thinking abut it

[BOOM]

Jay flows better >

[Universe]

Even Royce knows he's not better than Em.

It's not even close to me. Em spits some corny, old ass punchlines sometimes, sure... But on a technical scale (multi's, syllable counts, etc.) he does things within these parameters better than most artists I've heard can do outside of them. It's like he handicaps himself to perfection. He sticks to his 'every syllable must rhyme' ideology and works within it, rarely breaking it to make a bar work.

There's no debate here.

[Loot]

you're wrong.

every time em has rhymed with thought he came up short if i recall. yah yah song. bet cypher... as an emcee... u write to the beat. to the vibe. your cadence structure and energy comes from how u write. Em is probably my fave rapper.. and in his bag he's a fantastic story teller and he outshines most people most times. Not with Mr. Trotter

[Loot]

Em is the most famous rapper to do what he does. He's fantastic. IMO his pen game is NOW defined by the technical levels of excellence, but what made him special was his story telling, and emotional evocation. Period. Stan. Cleaning Out My Closet. 97 Bonnie and Clyde. Ty Soldiers. Lose Yourself. Brain Damage. And his ability to use satire, sarcasm, and comedy. His spectrum ws unique on that large of a scale. He's a great writer, but versus Trotter, its hard to take the track, because he also integrates ridiculous schemes, and a polished, aggressive, yet smooth delivery. Bro... Its hard for him to sound the best against that.

[Universe]

I feel your points, especially about Em's storytelling and emotional connection to his audience. And don't get me wrong, I love Black Thought; His memorized pre-written on Flex was astounding. But I'm talking intricate rhyme schemes here man, punchlines that have set ups within set ups that are relevant AND rhyme to the punch, on a multi-syllable level. I listen for this shit - Em does stuff that I don't catch until years later on... like having connections within the SPELLING of two words (final letter to first letter) that you wouldn't pick out unless you really listen to him enunciate.

I'm just saying he's the best I've ever heard, in that respect.

[BOOM]

Em is garb and his old shit aged terribly imo

[uh-oh]

yea i was gonna say black thought but loot covered it

i thought tobe nwigwe was gonna be the truth but he has j cole syndrome in the sense he says the same thing just a little differently on every song he makes.

[uh-oh]

jay electronica is also the most impressive lyricist to me without being overly complex though. his schemes and patterns aren't intricate but i'm the correct level of dumb to find shit he says as profound

[dull boy]

black thought would eat your favorite rapper if he went at their neck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prmQgSpV3fA&t=16s


His schemes are intricate but palatable sonically, even for a casual listener. Dope voice. He's intelligent, and has solid subject matter, yet still makes sure to go the fuck off enough that nobody ever says his name wrong. lol. Nasty boy.

i love em, jay, nasir, etc. Some of the best albums ever in hiphop, and my 3 favorites if im honest.... but if they lyrically went at thought, from a skill standpoint, my money is on Thought.

Can’t really argue with this.

[Pharaohs Army]

About the storytelling note: I think Nas is a better storyteller than Em.
All Em's stories seem to be about his Mom or his ex.

They both great tho.

And yeah Black Thought some sick memorized frees. Great stuff

[Geno]

Even Royce knows he's not better than Em.

It's not even close to me. Em spits some corny, old ass punchlines sometimes, sure... But on a technical scale (multi's, syllable counts, etc.) he does things within these parameters better than most artists I've heard can do outside of them. It's like he handicaps himself to perfection. He sticks to his 'every syllable must rhyme' ideology and works within it, rarely breaking it to make a bar work.

There's no debate here.



This pretty legit tbh... But i was trying my hardest not to say Em. Smh

So stil i say Nas and Thought.

[Geno]

..it didnt make sense lmaooo

[The Dead Poet]

jay electronica is also the most impressive lyricist to me without being overly complex though. his schemes and patterns aren't intricate but i'm the correct level of dumb to find shit he says as profound

word. I put 3000 in that lane too.

[Ouch]

This is almost impossible to say… I loved nas… and also growing up the gift and the curse


My favorite shit from Jay was meet the parents… first they hat you then they love you then they love you again

[Ouch]

Show y’all niggas to f I can find it

[Ouch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEAzj6YF2H8

[Ouch]

Here it is I fuck with Jay as gift and the curse this shit was rally har to find I think it’s called meet the parents.. let’s see how it gowa
[

[Ouch]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEAzj6YF2H8

[Ouch]

There it is, fuck me

[Alice]

word. I put 3000 in that lane too.

Definitely 3 Stacks. Couldn’t agree more. But also Lupe. I shouldn’t base it off one song but “Mural” alone is a testament of his ability tbh

[UPN Zuch]

My favorite shit from Jay was meet the parents… first they hat you then they love you then they love you again

That’s not how the lyrics goes you wet-brain retard.

[UserName]

That’s not how the lyrics goes you wet-brain retard.

Lmaoooo I was waiting for it

[Answer]

Even Royce knows he's not better than Em.

It's not even close to me. Em spits some corny, old ass punchlines sometimes, sure... But on a technical scale (multi's, syllable counts, etc.) he does things within these parameters better than most artists I've heard can do outside of them. It's like he handicaps himself to perfection. He sticks to his 'every syllable must rhyme' ideology and works within it, rarely breaking it to make a bar work.

There's no debate here.

Eminem hasnt been anywhere near top tier since 8 mile and royce has been putting on clinics left and right for well over 13 years now. It's not even a competition, royce is better

[Answer]

black thought would eat your favorite rapper if he went at their neck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prmQgSpV3fA&t=16s

thought def. stealing my flow

https://soundcloud.com/purleedef/purelydef-refractor-john-arbuckle

[UPN Zuch]

Eminem hasnt been anywhere near top tier since 8 mile and royce has been putting on clinics left and right for well over 13 years now. It's not even a competition, royce is better

Idk why this even needs to be reminded.

[Fracture]

royce aint shit

[Answer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP3xrSPYi-0

This shits all over thought tbh

[Blue Bayou]

Very upset the Sinacog audio Blue Bayou diss isn't on your SoundCloud

[Loot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP3xrSPYi-0

This shits all over thought tbh

nah. he got some lines, bu thought did it all without skipping a step, and went in. Royce is fire tho

[Universe]

Warning: I'm about to go full retard (Answer) here...

Royce is dope af... no argument from me. He is more culturally aware than Em, finger on the pulse and all that. 'Book of Ryan' is an absolute masterpiece of an album - "Cocaine" being one of the best hip-hop songs in a long while. But it was a good song because the heart behind it; the story and the chorus and how REAL it was. Lyrically, it was meh at best. And I can say that because I'm a huge fan.

But when talking about best pen game, we gotta be talking LYRICS here, guys and gals. That's the debate, not who makes better music.

So, the reason why most of you are dismissing Em is because he doesn't really "say anything" anymore... Okay, fair point. Is he out of touch? Sure. He's the fucking Howard Hughes of rap; Probably pissing in mason jars while writing bars in his notepad, growing a 'weird' beard and forcing people to get into his toy airplane named The Spruce Goose at gunpoint... But the fact remains, lyrically, he almost never stumbles, if at all.

I've looked. I've listened.

The people that think Em ain't shit also probably thought MGK won the battle they had because he said more catchy lines and personals... But lyrically he was NOWHERE NEAR Em on those tracks. MGK rhymed maybe 3 syllables once every 6 bars instead of his usual 1 or 2 syllables, and most of those were mistakes and/or broken up lazily by other words - he just got lucky in the cases where he did connect. The overall rhyme was "good for him", Em even admitted as much, but there's so much more that needs to go into a verse nowadays. Em was hitting with punchlines and rhyming entire bars, and elongating them out through rhyme schemes that created even more punchlines and rhyme schemes in the process. His rhymes give birth.

But people liked MGK's last two syllables better, so he "won"... Ain't that fucking precious.

So what's the point I'm making? Because no one is talking about MGK in the same breath as Eminem here, or anywhere.

My point is that Em has always had an insane level of detail in his verses, and it often goes overlooked because we are used to it now. Even on 'Relapse' where he had absolutely ZERO to say and even less punchlines, he still was almost flawless in multi's, rhyme schemes and syllable counts. Break down Royce's best verses - He will be off here and there in multi's because honestly he doesn't give a shit - Em does. That's why you will rarely find a bar that doesn't connect in insane ways. His double entendres are the best in the business. And his ability to keep a rhyme scheme going on for crazy amounts of time (sometimes an entire song, see 'Legacy' on MMLP 2) puts him in a league of his own. That's what also sets him apart from Thought, who is technically sound as Em over an 100m dash ('Yah Yah'), but won't compete in a marathon.

Again, I've looked into this.

But don't take my word for it, read it from the man himself.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nme.com/features/music-interviews/royce-da-59-interview-lord-jamar-eminem-2639098%3famp

So is Em in the debate for best ever? Absolutely. Is he as good as he was in connecting with his audience? Not even close. Is he as good as he was lyrically? Guys, he's way better.

Is Royce & Black Thought dope? Absolutely. But are they 'hide lyrics inside other lyrics like trap doors for people to find later', dope?

Nope.

Do they have Rain Man's attention to detail when he's counting fallen toothpicks on a dirty diner floor and applying that to syllable counts?

Nope.

There's levels to this shit... But unfortunately, the artist is only as good as the audiences ability to perceive what's being said. As Heath Ledger's Joker famously put it, "I'm not a monster... I'm just ahead of the curve."

It's okay to admit that the curve might just take you right back to where you started.

[dull boy]

Eminem hasnt been anywhere near top tier since 8 mile and royce has been putting on clinics left and right for well over 13 years now. It's not even a competition, royce is better

Disagree

(edit)

didn't realize Uni had gone full autistic (appreciate the heads up) in his answer.

If you think Em hasn't been at his peak since 8 Mile then you stopped listening. Justifiable, but I assume anyone with this opinion is basing it off of Encore, Relapse and Recovery.

Eminem is the top selling artist of the last yada yada and it creates a situation where a majority of his fans are annoying and largely uninformed. His fan base is part of the tarnish on his reputation. Another part is his largely hidden mental breakdown. Encore through Recovery was him learning how to write again. Personally, I love Relapse, and Recovery is him trying to blend in a more commercial or palatable sound. It didn't necessarily work for most people who love Hip Hop. Worked for the masses. The way he writes concepts since Recovery has improved 3 fold, but he's been written off.

Em's persona is a cultivated cartoon that it seems even he resents, at times. He can't compete with Black Thought from that perspective. If they battled Em wouldn't have much of a leg to stand on angles wise, but speaking strictly lyrically, Em is way better than him or Royce and it's not close.

[Amen]

Em one of the GOATS - there is no debate.




Thanks.

[BOOM]

respectfully disagree.

[BOOM]

Warning: I'm about to go full retard (Answer) here...

Royce is dope af... no argument from me. He is more culturally aware than Em, finger on the pulse and all that. 'Book of Ryan' is an absolute masterpiece of an album - "Cocaine" being one of the best hip-hop songs in a long while. But it was a good song because the heart behind it; the story and the chorus and how REAL it was. Lyrically, it was meh at best. And I can say that because I'm a huge fan.

But when talking about best pen game, we gotta be talking LYRICS here, guys and gals. That's the debate, not who makes better music.

So, the reason why most of you are dismissing Em is because he doesn't really "say anything" anymore... Okay, fair point. Is he out of touch? Sure. He's the fucking Howard Hughes of rap; Probably pissing in mason jars while writing bars in his notepad, growing a 'weird' beard and forcing people to get into his toy airplane named The Spruce Goose at gunpoint... But the fact remains, lyrically, he almost never stumbles, if at all.

I've looked. I've listened.

The people that think Em ain't shit also probably thought MGK won the battle they had because he said more catchy lines and personals... But lyrically he was NOWHERE NEAR Em on those tracks. MGK rhymed maybe 3 syllables once every 6 bars instead of his usual 1 or 2 syllables, and most of those were mistakes and/or broken up lazily by other words - he just got lucky in the cases where he did connect. The overall rhyme was "good for him", Em even admitted as much, but there's so much more that needs to go into a verse nowadays. Em was hitting with punchlines and rhyming entire bars, and elongating them out through rhyme schemes that created even more punchlines and rhyme schemes in the process. His rhymes give birth.

But people liked MGK's last two syllables better, so he "won"... Ain't that fucking precious.

So what's the point I'm making? Because no one is talking about MGK in the same breath as Eminem here, or anywhere.

My point is that Em has always had an insane level of detail in his verses, and it often goes overlooked because we are used to it now. Even on 'Relapse' where he had absolutely ZERO to say and even less punchlines, he still was almost flawless in multi's, rhyme schemes and syllable counts. Break down Royce's best verses - He will be off here and there in multi's because honestly he doesn't give a shit - Em does. That's why you will rarely find a bar that doesn't connect in insane ways. His double entendres are the best in the business. And his ability to keep a rhyme scheme going on for crazy amounts of time (sometimes an entire song, see 'Legacy' on MMLP 2) puts him in a league of his own. That's what also sets him apart from Thought, who is technically sound as Em over an 100m dash ('Yah Yah'), but won't compete in a marathon.

Again, I've looked into this.

But don't take my word for it, read it from the man himself.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nme.com/features/music-interviews/royce-da-59-interview-lord-jamar-eminem-2639098%3famp

So is Em in the debate for best ever? Absolutely. Is he as good as he was in connecting with his audience? Not even close. Is he as good as he was lyrically? Guys, he's way better.

Is Royce & Black Thought dope? Absolutely. But are they 'hide lyrics inside other lyrics like trap doors for people to find later', dope?

Nope.

Do they have Rain Man's attention to detail when he's counting fallen toothpicks on a dirty diner floor and applying that to syllable counts?

Nope.

There's levels to this shit... But unfortunately, the artist is only as good as the audiences ability to perceive what's being said. As Heath Ledger's Joker famously put it, "I'm not a monster... I'm just ahead of the curve."

It's okay to admit that the curve might just take you right back to where you started.

Disagree

(edit)

didn't realize Uni had gone full autistic (appreciate the heads up) in his answer.

If you think Em hasn't been at his peak since 8 Mile then you stopped listening. Justifiable, but I assume anyone with this opinion is basing it off of Encore, Relapse and Recovery.

Eminem is the top selling artist of the last yada yada and it creates a situation where a majority of his fans are annoying and largely uninformed. His fan base is part of the tarnish on his reputation. Another part is his largely hidden mental breakdown. Encore through Recovery was him learning how to write again. Personally, I love Relapse, and Recovery is him trying to blend in a more commercial or palatable sound. It didn't necessarily work for most people who love Hip Hop. Worked for the masses. The way he writes concepts since Recovery has improved 3 fold, but he's been written off.

Em's persona is a cultivated cartoon that it seems even he resents, at times. He can't compete with Black Thought from that perspective. If they battled Em wouldn't have much of a leg to stand on angles wise, but speaking strictly lyrically, Em is way better than him or Royce and it's not close.


Em garb tho

[Destroyer]

you wrote three words back?

fuck off

[Answer]

you wrote three words back?

fuck off

Don't worry, I got this

[dead man]

Toss up between DZK and Warbux

[dull boy]

Toss up between DZK and Warbux

Was always partial to Wird Herts, myself

Keep it suburban

[Blue Bayou]

Vote Nimrod

[Answer]

still typing furiously in response to universe

[Cereal]

vote = all four
dzk, warbux, wordhurtz, nimrod - and cire/point game

[Cereal]

i did a track with dzk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sx82sZnBEaA

[Cereal]

respectfully disagree.

im with you, you cant have one good album then be a goat, when other cats one album is better and still fanned for atleast two.. pos repped for that :)

[kungfugrip]

Benny the Butcher

[kungfugrip]

About the storytelling note: I think Nas is a better storyteller than Em.
All Em's stories seem to be about his Mom or his ex.

They both great tho.

And yeah Black Thought some sick memorized frees. Great stuff
Eminem is one of the worst rappers ever. He belongs somewhere between 30-50 on anyone who is a real rap fan's list

[kungfugrip]

That’s not how the lyrics goes you wet-brain retard.

Im crying

[kungfugrip]

royce aint shit

Hes a better rapper than Eminem

That's a fact.

[kungfugrip]

The people that think Em ain't shit also probably thought MGK won the battle they had because he said more catchy lines and personals... But lyrically he was NOWHERE NEAR Em on those tracks. .
If Eminem made an album full of the dopeness he put on MGK and Mariah Carey he'd be the Greatest of All Time and i couldn't dispute it.

[kungfugrip]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzHnNPLWsDQ

Come on. You can't fuck with THIS Eminem

[Answer]

Warning: I'm about to go full retard (Answer) here...

The difference is when I write long ass paragraphs, everything I say has a point and uses logical points with research to back it up. There's levels to this autism shit g

Royce is dope af... no argument from me. He is more culturally aware than Em, finger on the pulse and all that. 'Book of Ryan' is an absolute masterpiece of an album - "Cocaine" being one of the best hip-hop songs in a long while. But it was a good song because the heart behind it; the story and the chorus and how REAL it was. Lyrically, it was meh at best. And I can say that because I'm a huge fan.

You're literally talking about lyricism and bringing up a song that's not even rap. I might as well be pulling out examples from Hailie's song.

Some days I sit starin' out the window
Watchin' this world pass me by
Sometimes I think there's nothin' to live for
I almost break down and cry

Yeah, fucking peak penmanship at it's finest.

But when talking about best pen game, we gotta be talking LYRICS here, guys and gals. That's the debate, not who makes better music.

That's what we're talking about. Royce has 4 Bar Exam mixtapes and they're ALL been better than his albums and pure fucking lyrical clinics

So, the reason why most of you are dismissing Em is because he doesn't really "say anything" anymore... Okay, fair point. Is he out of touch? Sure. He's the fucking Howard Hughes of rap; Probably pissing in mason jars while writing bars in his notepad, growing a 'weird' beard and forcing people to get into his toy airplane named The Spruce Goose at gunpoint... But the fact remains, lyrically, he almost never stumbles, if at all.

I've looked. I've listened.

See this is why your autism game is weak bro. You just wrote a whole paragraph and said absolutely nothing of substance. You provided NO evidence to back it up

The people that think Em ain't shit also probably thought MGK won the battle they had because he said more catchy lines and personals... But lyrically he was NOWHERE NEAR Em on those tracks. MGK rhymed maybe 3 syllables once every 6 bars instead of his usual 1 or 2 syllables, and most of those were mistakes and/or broken up lazily by other words - he just got lucky in the cases where he did connect. The overall rhyme was "good for him", Em even admitted as much, but there's so much more that needs to go into a verse nowadays. Em was hitting with punchlines and rhyming entire bars, and elongating them out through rhyme schemes that created even more punchlines and rhyme schemes in the process. His rhymes give birth.

But people liked MGK's last two syllables better, so he "won"... Ain't that fucking precious.

So what's the point I'm making? Because no one is talking about MGK in the same breath as Eminem here, or anywhere.

How the FUCK are we having a discussion about Royce Da 5'9 vs. Eminem and you spend half your god damn post talking about MGK. MGK is not anywhere on the level of either of these dudes. MGK isn't even top 500 rappers. MGK is for middle class white kids whose parents won't let them listen to Tom MacDonald

That's like me saying Nas is better than Jay Z because Nas can clearly rap better than Milli Vanilli. I've seen ouch write more coherent arguments than this. You still haven't put forth ANY concrete examples.

My point is that Em has always had an insane level of detail in his verses, and it often goes overlooked because we are used to it now.

Nothing gets overlooked. We're used to it because people just aren't impressed by random fucking multis in 2021. We all learned what multis were 17 years ago. Fucking soulja boy had Multis. They haven't been noteworthy since canibus rhymed "tom cruse mom's shoes"

Even on 'Relapse' where he had absolutely ZERO to say and even less punchlines, he still was almost flawless in multi's, rhyme schemes and syllable counts. Break down Royce's best verses - He will be off here and there in multi's because honestly he doesn't give a shit - Em does.

Let's look at "Underground", which is probably the best song on relapse.

Faggoty faggoty faggoty raggedy Ann and Andy
No, raggedy Andy and Andy
No it can't be, it can't be
Yes it can be
The fucking Antichrist is back, Danny
It's Satan in black satin panties

it's about on par with "just lose it"

Chubba-chubba-chubba-chubba-chubba-chubba-chubby
I don't have any lines to go right here, so chubba-Teletubby

or these gems from rap god

Backpack rap crap, yap-yap, yackety-yack

Uh, summa-lumma, dooma-lumma, you assumin' I'm a human

Like, this is the dude you're bigging up as a fucking lyrical genius. Dude just said faggoty 3 times and a bunch of bullshit that doesn't mean anything whatsoever

Found in the back of a van after the shoot for Vanity Fair
Hannah Montana prepare to elope with a can opener
And be cut open like cantaloupe on canopy beds

This dude rhymed "vanity fair" with "canopy beds". That's not hot, bro. That dude was struggling so hard to find a rhyme with "vanity fair" that he had to butcher the way that "fair" was pronounced to come up with something. Nothing is dope about that shit. And this is just one out of a million examples of him doing this stupid shit where he pronounces words like someone with a mental disability to force shit to rhyme. Him rhyming "oranges" and "syringes" comes to mind.

returning to "recovery"

Does a bird chirp, Lil Wayne slurps syrup till he burps / And smokes purp, does a word search / gets circles wrapped around him like / You do when I come through, I’d like you to remind yourself / Of what the fuck I can do when I’m on the mike

That doesn't even BEGIN to cover all the lyrically awful songs Eminem has made over the years (Fack, My First Single, Ass like that).

Eminem simply can't be the best lyricist of all time because the best lyricist of all time would NEVER have as many blatant examples of absolute trash lyrics as Eminem has throughout his catalogue. That's not to say Em doesn't have some good stuff from time to time, he's a GOOD lyricist. That doesn't mean he's anywhere the level you give him credit for being

That's why you will rarely find a bar that doesn't connect in insane ways. His double entendres are the best in the business.

No, no they're not

when I’m not even at my harshest / you can still get roasted cause Marshall is not mellow.

Your booty is heavy doody like diarrhea

I’m swimmin’ in that Egyptian river, ’cause I’m in denial

Maybe that's why I'm always so bananas, I aPEEL to all those walks of life

Eminem has a good bar like 5 times out of every 100 punchlines. About 60 of those bars are just really average and forgettable and the other 35 are just straight up cringeworthy

And his ability to keep a rhyme scheme going on for crazy amounts of time (sometimes an entire song, see 'Legacy' on MMLP 2) puts him in a league of his own.

See, this is how you write a supporting argument to your claim. You cite actual examples instead of just writing 10 paragraphs of pointless bullshit. I'm aware of legacy, and it's a good song. It doesn't make him the greatest lyricist of all time. Any reasonably good lyricist could do the same thing.

Eminem wrote 3 verses which is 48 lines off the same multi. Not gonna lie, that's impressive

Here's a topical piece I wrote, it's 50 lines off the same multi (http://www.netcees.org/showthread.php?t=140297)

So NOT ONLY did I write 2 more lines than Eminem did in that song, Eminem used a 4-syllable multi, the main rhyme is "Sky is falling".

That's inferior to my 50 bar piece that uses a 6-syllable multi.

Not to mention, Eminem butchered his 4 syllable multi

cryin' and sobbin' - 5 syllables
eyeballed him - 3 syllables
wired in my noggin - 6 syllables
Brian Baldingers - somehow he added 2 extra lines
Miami Dolphins - 5 syllables

and a number of other examples where he downgraded to 3 syllables because he couldn't handle the difficulty of 4 syllables

not to mention this fucking gem

Suck a dick; the day you beat me, pigs'll fly out my ass
In a flyin' saucer full of Italian sausage

Meanwhile in that WHOLE song, Eminem arguably had like FIVE double entendres and none of them are good.

In my drop, I had about 45 punchlines and most of them were dope


So let's recap

Eminem:
48 lines off one multi
4 syllable multi
lots of errors and flaws execution of his multis
5 punchlines
all of them are ok

Me:
50 lines off one multi
6-syllable multi
no errors or flaws in the execution of my multis
45 punchlines
all of them are good or dope

and since Eminem is your vote for best lyricist, and the ONLY concrete evidence you're providing lyrically is "Legacy", and I clearly beat out Eminem in 5 out of 5 topics, and 4 of those aren't even REMOTELY subjective. It stands to reason that you should now believe that I am the greatest lyricist of all time.

I appreciate your words of encouragement

That's what also sets him apart from Thought, who is technically sound as Em over an 100m dash ('Yah Yah'), but won't compete in a marathon.

Again, I've looked into this.

Yeah, you need concrete examples. Saying "it's true because I said so" doesn't work. That's how you end up like fucking Lars posting screenshots of his mom's bank account claiming it's his and saying, "it's true because I said so"


But don't take my word for it, read it from the man himself.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nme.com/features/music-interviews/royce-da-59-interview-lord-jamar-eminem-2639098%3famp

Nowhere in this source does Royce EVER claim Eminem is better, or even AS good as Royce. All it says is someone called him a culture vulture and Royce stepped up to defend his friend by saying

You ain’t talking about a motherfucker that just rhymes words. Let’s get this shit right man, he’s a master at this.

also from your same source:

Eminem said whenever he gets on a record with you or Crook he gets anxiety because you’re such elite MCs

I'm sure Royce isn't going to shit on Em because Em IS a good rapper, an ok lyricist, and Royce's close friend. Not to mention Royce has a financial interest in not talking shit about Em, because he makes more money with Em's support than he does without it.

but don't take my word for it, read it from the man himself:

Eminem himself will tell you I'm the only nigga livin'
That done ever spanked him on the same record with him

So is Em in the debate for best ever? Absolutely. Is he as good as he was in connecting with his audience? Not even close. Is he as good as he was lyrically? Guys, he's way better.

Is Royce & Black Thought dope? Absolutely.

More filler bullshit that doesn't actually mean anything or provide support for your argument

But are they 'hide lyrics inside other lyrics like trap doors for people to find later', dope? Nope

Of course they are, Eminem didn't invent punchlines. Royce isn't even a punchline rapper like that. But when it comes to rhymeschemes and flow he runs circles around Eminem

Do they have Rain Man's attention to detail when he's counting fallen toothpicks on a dirty diner floor and applying that to syllable counts?

Nope.


You just have this weirdly romanticized view of Eminem's lyrics being better than they are. I've already pointed at multiple examples that prove Eminem drops flawed rhymes ALL the time. That's how proofs work in logic and math, you have to actually prove that it's the case for all things that he's got "rain man attention to detail" and it only takes one concrete example to prove that's not true.

There's levels to this shit... But unfortunately, the artist is only as good as the audiences ability to perceive what's being said. As Heath Ledger's Joker famously put it, "I'm not a monster... I'm just ahead of the curve."

It's okay to admit that the curve might just take you right back to where you started.

Again, more of you saying absolutely nothing at all

[kungfugrip]

Eminem is the GOAT rapper the same way I'm the GOAT text battler

There was a glimmer there, and he had potential, but there's zero consistency and his legacy is highly overrated

[Fracture]

Weird how so many of the elite rappers in thr game consider eminem one of the best ever but a bunch of white kids who likely were influenced by him at 1 time to try and write think he sucks

[Universe]

Weird how so many of the elite rappers in thr game consider eminem one of the best ever but a bunch of white kids who likely were influenced by him at 1 time to try and write think he sucks

It's okay to admit that the curve might just take you right back to where you started.

Stanswer declaring himself better than Eminem was definitely the only morsel of enjoyment I got out of that highly disappointing, Risperdal-fuelled rebuttal.

What a letdown. I liked you better when you ignored me.

[Answer]

You’ve offered no mathematic evidence to the contrary, sir

My evidence is clear

50 > 48
6 > 4
45 > 5

And you can count up all the syllables and see clearly that mine all match perfectly at 6 syllables and his do not. He has 3, he has 5, he’s all over the place.

You’ve provided one citation from Eminem. None of this is subjective “opinion”, these are numbers. My numbers are higher than Eminem’s.

That’s why your argument fails. I’ve proven this with logic, and you’re just speculating based off of nothing but your gut with nothing to show for it

[Destroyer]

this is just a dumb fucking conversation
you can make arguments for GOAT sports players. because you have stats. it’s pretty easy to quantify who the GOAT is.
this is music which is entirely subjective. there’s no “stats” to look at short
of album sales and if that’s the criteria, then eminem wins.
there is no criteria though as to who’s art is better than another aside from one’s own subjective opinion. so, there can be no right or wrong answer and therefore back to my original “this conversation is fucking dumb” assertion.

[Cereal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4cRrKXwAP4

[Answer]

this is just a dumb fucking conversation
you can make arguments for GOAT sports players. because you have stats. it’s pretty easy to quantify who the GOAT is.
this is music which is entirely subjective. there’s no “stats” to look at short
of album sales and if that’s the criteria, then eminem wins.
there is no criteria though as to who’s art is better than another aside from one’s own subjective opinion. so, there can be no right or wrong answer and therefore back to my original “this conversation is fucking dumb” assertion.

Disagree. We’re not talking about music, we’re talking about lyricism. As universe stated, it’s purely about the writing and not about song-making. Album sales are irrelevant

What are the aspects of writing?

Multisyllabic writing - number of syllables being used, it is more difficult to create rhymes with longer multis. Of course, it is. Because there are more sentences/words in the English language that end with with the rhyme, “dope” than there are sentences/phrases that end with the rhyme “sky is falling”

And because there are less sentences to choose from, it’s more difficult. There was an author who wrote an entire book without the letter “e” (the most common letter in the English language). This was obviously very difficult to do because it greatly limits the number of words you can use and sentences you can make.

If you don’t believe me, just try to write a 200 word short story or topical without using the letter “e”. Only by actually trying this can you empathize with my point. It’s not that I don’t think you CAN do it, you’re simply vastly underestimating the difficulty of it, which is easy to do for people who don’t challenge themselves. It’s easy for me to think I can run 15 km but it’s another thing to actually go out and do it.

When you loosen your restrictions, as eminem does when he breaks from using 4 syllables to use 3 syllables or 5 syllables, you’re increasing the number of words and phrases you can use. That’s like writing a book with no “e’s” and saying “eh maybe I’ll have SOME words that have the letter e”

And he does this even more-so when he allows himself to use words that don’t even rhyme altogether like him rhyming “fair” with “beds”

Punchlines/double entendres - it’s one thing to write a punchline, but it’s another thing to reverse-engineer a punchline from a rhyme. Not only are you coming up with a punchline, but you’re also constrained by the limitation of not being able to write words with the letter “e”

Do you disagree that writing 45 punchlines with that constraint is more difficult than writing 5 with that constraint? I don’t see how you believe that to be the case.

I’m really disappointed in you, des. You’re one of the few who I thought was smarter than this.

[Fracture]

So youre saying that your 500 word couplets are on a diff level than eminems best?

[Answer]

So youre saying that your 500 word couplets are on a diff level than eminems best?

Considering we’re talking about a 50-line verse where everything rhymes, I don’t think you even know what the word “couplet” means, frac.

[Fracture]

Are you going to sit here and lie to my face that.your bars arent the length of forever and ever

[Destroyer]

lmao @ answer’s just straight uncut pretentiousness
oh, “best lyricism” isn’t subjective because similes
eat a fat dick

[Fracture]

Let me speak to Culture

[Fracture]

lmao @ answer’s just straight uncut pretentiousness
oh, “best lyricism” isn’t subjective because similes
eat a fat dick


Lmao

[Answer]

lmao @ answer’s just straight uncut pretentiousness
oh, “best lyricism” isn’t subjective because similes
eat a fat dick

You’ve offered nothing objective, des. This is theist level thinking

[Destroyer]

there’s no objectivity to be had here
you’re analyzing someone else’s shit to determine value
the value is only true for you, yourself
tell me why moby dick is better than the catcher in the rye now because of grammar and noun count

[Answer]

Are you going to sit here and lie to my face that.your bars arent the length of forever and ever

Eminem's longest bars in rap god:

So I wanna make sure somewhere in this chicken scratch I scribble and doodle enough rhymes
To maybe try to help get some people through tough times, but I gotta keep a few punchlines


My longest bars in that piece:

been fightin over capital since they set up an embassy @ the center of tel aviv
countin checks from the sheep got ‘em dead asleep, execs invested in feta cheese



So even if bar length had anything to do with lyricism, Eminem's longest bars are longer than my own. Meanwhile I had 2 internal rhymes and he had 1

[UserName]

Let me speak to Culture

Too soon.

[Fracture]

So youre not going to acknowledge that rap god was entirely dependant on a beat build? You cant cherry pick certain bars from rap god without taking the entire song into consideration.

[Fracture]

And even if you disagree with what i just said its proof that its subjective. Basically what destroyer is trying to say

[Answer]

Look, I've spent enough time winning these arguments and now it's becoming a wasteful expenditure of brainpower trying to talk sense into people who are trying to justify how "Faggoty faggoty faggoty raggedy Ann and Andy. No, raggedy Andy and Andy" was written by the greatest lyricist of all time. If you can't approach me with some real objective basis, this isn't worth responding to anymore.

[Fracture]

Who the fuck said that was a good bar?


Please provide.me a rapper who only has good bars. Not one bad lyric... Go ahead.

[Fracture]

Too soon.


I love that no matter what i say in any thread ur customize dick quote is the final stamp

[UserName]

I love that no matter what i say in any thread ur customize dick quote is the final stamp

It captures my childlike curiosity but also my love of customizing penises. It’s beautiful.

[Destroyer]

If you can't approach me with some real objective basis, this isn't worth responding to anymore.

thanks for agreeing with me finally

[Destroyer]

black thought is the correct answer, btw

[kungfugrip]

Let me speak to Culture

What do you know about culture? Have you ever even met a black person before?

[kungfugrip]

Eminem is overrated and so are you

[Fracture]

Oh heres kungfugrip the worldly racists who doesnt even grasp the irony of why he would prefer black frac over white frac

[kungfugrip]

I liked Black Frac more, he wasnt a bitch

[Fracture]

Just like ur thread to ouch where u said "no blsck guy sounds like that. Or gets that wasted' lmao never seen an entire race make someone such a girl

[kungfugrip]

Your arguments are getting pretty thin, Jamal Lee Lemons

[Fracture]

Just keep in mind i wrote as two diff races and both were astronomically more talented than you

[Loot]

Em is fantastic. Lol. His features on Lucky You, Homicide and his MTBB 1 and 2 are dope recent efforts. He's a phenom. I just think when he gets away from his artistry and focuses so much on technical execution he veers towards bad corny lines I've done better since i was kid, and many texters have as well.

But he does have sneaky and sly punches. He's top 5 under every standard. Cultural Influence. Cultural Support. Commercial Success. Critical Acclaim. Technical Proficiencies. His pen is fucking nasty bro. He pushes Hip Hop. Signed 50. Slaughter House. Grizelda. He shows love to Hip Hop History. He is Like Mike Tyson of Hip Hop. Student of the Game, one of the biggest impacts, arguably the best ever.

I just think for me, at this point there are certain MC's he can't outshine. Not many but a few. Easiest one to discern would be Thought to me, bc of their songs and verses together.

[kungfugrip]

Just keep in mind i wrote as two diff races and both were astronomically more talented than you

Thats not what ur record against me says

Go Indian, ill still smash you.

Asian? Sweep.

Take your pick guy

[Destroyer]

i vote polynesian

[Destroyer]

you can call yourself The Frac

[kungfugrip]

Im gonna start a thread where Fracture gets to pick his race and ill write a 20 bar verse to every one of them

Maybe Spaniard Fracture has a chance against me, but i doubt it

[Destroyer]

El Fractito

[kungfugrip]

Muy muy peligroso

[Fracture]

Lmao

[kungfugrip]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4cRrKXwAP4

If Jay-Z said that I'd take it seriously and not someone that wears hot pink turtlenecks who i can't name a song from

[Fracture]

Kung write me some bars for summer classic por favor

[kungfugrip]

Eminem bodied MGK for real, and i don't even like him. That was brutal.

[Fracture]

I liked mgks vibe and little lines like ur beard is weird worked

But yea em bodied

[Cereal]

If Jay-Z said that I'd take it seriously and not someone that wears hot pink turtlenecks who i can't name a song from

lol pink is in didnt cha know

[Destroyer]

he didn’t even really try that hard either

[kungfugrip]

'using my name for clickbait now i gotta cock back, aim, bitch pop champagne to this'

Cmon. Nobody is fucking with THAT Em.

[Cereal]

i think ems felt drawn out and a lil bit childish.. idk it was like he took too long away from the battle area or just is getten old..

like most of it was just irrelevant and the punches thrown fell short and cartoonish

[kungfugrip]

I agree but the Mariah diss and MGK diss gave us a taste of how good he really is

He is GOAT potential but his albums fucking suck

[Destroyer]

none of it was irrelevant
you’re irrelevant

[Destroyer]

this forum literally doesn’t exist without eminem existing

[kungfugrip]

Who is this again?

I don't have this number saved

[Blue Bayou]

While I agree with Answer that he's the best lyricist ever...

On what planet does Tel Aviv rhyme with feta cheese?!

[kungfugrip]

Buddy

'Id rather be 80 year old me than 20 year old you'

Thats one of the coldest disses I've ever heard

[Answer]

The more I read from y’all idiots the more I start believing ouch is real

[Ouch]

okkkkkk

[Cereal]

I agree but the Mariah diss and MGK diss gave us a taste of how good he really is

He is GOAT potential but his albums fucking suck

his old school freestyles was dope like lil wayne..

when they bringing out all these underground material.. then they had to start explaining how they work and killed all their magic..

like that sound a like orange/doorhinge thang..

if he just kept dropping he prolly would have brought out some more raw material.. but he accept the microscope they put him under

[Cereal]

okkkkkk

dont worry i belief youre real :)

[Answer]

While I agree with Answer that he's the best lyricist ever...

On what planet does Tel Aviv rhyme with feta cheese?!

You gotta say it without the Canadian accent ry. But let’s be real, it’s closer than “canopy bed” and “vanity fair”

[kungfugrip]

Yeah if he made an album of real rap not rhyming in a Triumph The Insult Comic Dog voice for 20 years

[kungfugrip]

You gotta say it without the Canadian accent ry. But let’s be real, it’s closer than “canopy bed” and “vanity fair”

That wasnt me. I'd never attempt a feta cheese line, and whoever did should rightfully lose

[Cereal]

Buddy

'Id rather be 80 year old me than 20 year old you'

Thats one of the coldest disses I've ever heard

she was dating the dude that runs our casino in our state.. in australia..

its awesome to play poker there and watch movies he a bad ass - talk about stepping up in the sexual partner category.. that dude is a boss - i always felt welcome in that dudes building.. its kinda like in there even when you loose you win his that cool

[Ouch]

I want the bucks to win... but I Say buck lose by 8 points

[Cereal]

Yeah if he made an album of real rap not rhyming in a Triumph The Insult Comic Dog voice for 20 years

lmao respect

[kungfugrip]

she was dating the dude that runs our casino in our state.. in australia..

its awesome to play poker there and watch movies he a bad ass - talk about stepping up in the sexual partner category.. that dude is a boss - i always felt welcome in that dudes building.. its kinda like in there even when you loose you win his that cool
I have no idea what you're talking about nor does your story relate to the subject matter

[Blue Bayou]

You gotta say it without the Canadian accent ry. But let’s be real, it’s closer than “canopy bed” and “vanity fair”

Look Alan, I'm not from Saskatchatoon bud

Even in Tuscaloosa tongue you know Tel and Fet can't work

But yes I will agree on your comparable, and the piece as a whole was very impressive

Lmao the Mariah diss is so fire.....forgot about it

[kungfugrip]

Its his best material in 10 years

[Ouch]

second here... lets see like I Said I say bucks lose by 10... not what i want to have happen... im tucker... as a players and a person but

[kungfugrip]

If you rhyme 'vanity fair' with 'canopy bed' i don't think any accent could help you

[Cereal]

I have no idea what you're talking about nor does your story relate to the subject matter

lol mariah carey.. who she was dating.. james packer.. the owner of crown casino.. you havent heard - dudes a boss

[Ouch]

im a ball player.. mhy dad was, my broyher was... suns looking much better even though I don't want them to win

[Blue Bayou]

im a ball player.. mhy dad was, my broyher was... suns looking much better even though I don't want them to win

I'm so close to paying Zuch or Ryno to just take you out..

[kungfugrip]

lol mariah carey.. who she was dating.. james packer.. the owner of crown casino.. you havent heard - dudes a boss

'Back when me and Luiz tried to stick 2 CDs in the same slot'

Ether.

[kungfugrip]

im a ball player.. mhy dad was, my broyher was... suns looking much better even though I don't want them to win

Id make you and your Dad cry together on the court you ol five foot eleven ass

[Cereal]

'Back when me and Luiz tried to stick 2 CDs in the same slot'

Ether.

lol that is nice - i think his mix have you heard the warlab diss i think they did it better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTphjtFD4BM

[kungfugrip]

Am i entertaining listening to DZK in 2021? Lmao c'mon bro

[Fracture]

Wow... Ouch somehow continues to amaze me

[Cereal]

hehehe

[kungfugrip]

Canibus was probably 500 dollars a verse at that point

[UPN Zuch]

This thread fucking SUCKS

[Cereal]

Am i entertaining listening to DZK in 2021? Lmao c'mon bro

lol k fair call

he added my mum on facebook as a friend - and lars is still trying to hunt her for a aowl battle wtf shes like 90 years old

[kungfugrip]

DZK just reminds me of old unwashed sweat pants

[Cereal]

lol

[Fracture]

This thread fucking SUCKS



Yep

[kungfugrip]

This thread fucking SUCKS

GET OUT

[Ouch]

Id make you and your Dad cry together on the court you ol five foot eleven ass

not sure what that means but... if you says so... my shit was like rodman or tucker... can shoot but I hit people

other than that i dunno what ya talking about son

[Cereal]

did you see dzk vs username battle it was dope - 3 points for dzk's effort but user nuked him..

whats funny is me and user started text battling at the same time and joined rapmusic at the same time and for a few months we both were swinging - and as you can see some bloom some just fall on their face like me - but yeh no homo user is a boss for like 20 years since i first met him

[Ouch]

and dude named bobby porter for bucks is how i was as well

[Fracture]

Ouch this is a thread about lyricist not basketball

[kungfugrip]

hey can u guys do me a solid and not attempt to kill the most active thread this site has seen in a month because you aren't the center of attention?

Thanks guys

[Answer]

Ouch has provided the same amount of objective rationale for discussing lyricism and talent as frac, universe, kung, and des combined.

[Fracture]

Yea bro wouldn't wanna kill a thread where answer os writing research papers and ouch is talking about how he plays basketball like dennis rodman

[kungfugrip]

did you see dzk vs username battle it was dope - 3 points for dzk's effort but user nuked him..

whats funny is me and user started text battling at the same time and joined rapmusic at the same time and for a few months we both were swinging - and as you can see some bloom some just fall on their face like me - but yeh no homo user is a boss for like 20 years since i first met him
User was the first guy that was good to me when i started battling intersite, i will love him forever for that

[Cereal]

hey can u guys do me a solid and not attempt to kill the most active thread this site has seen in a month because you aren't the center of attention?

Thanks guys

i second that

[Answer]

Yea bro wouldn't wanna kill a thread where answer os writing research papers and ouch is talking about how he plays basketball like dennis rodman

I like you g

[Fracture]

Considering im the best lyricist in this thread i could literally say BG is the best rapper and you all would have to agree

[Answer]

Considering im the best lyricist in this thread i could literally say BG is the best rapper and you all would have to agree

Eh I take it back

[Fracture]

Lmao

[kungfugrip]

Yea bro wouldn't wanna kill a thread where answer os writing research papers and ouch is talking about how he plays basketball like dennis rodman

I keep resding this paragraph and it just keeps getting more confusing

[Cereal]

User was the first guy that was good to me when i started battling intersite, i will love him forever for that

yeh man his always been homely

like business is business but he still down to earth

[kungfugrip]

Tony is the best guy i ever met in this text shit, straight up. I love him endlessly.

[Ouch]

my specrum cable barely works motherfucker lets go bucks i hope suns lose... but I think theyll win


lets go.. and you people no problem... I havent seen either of you big boys write some dope shit, nor have I... sooo

[Fracture]

If you don't like tony you are the problem

[kungfugrip]

Considering im the best lyricist in this thread
You are adorable.

[Fracture]

Youve only admitted this 1 thousand times i guess ur opinion strictly depends on ur period feels

[Cereal]

what do you think of the newer cats like

prof
kiddo marv
yung gravy
stupid young
iggy azalea
lil dicky
dirt nasty
tom mcdonald
tekashi 69

[Fracture]

Given kungs love for the paul brothers i can tell you without a shadow of a doubt he loves tekashi

[Ouch]

yall niggas are retarded... let me say what I think

I never really tried to make music.... I did once and it was on soundclick a million years ago, couldn't find it after I went to prison... I never was into music or doing blah blah blah

im quite witty if i do say myself..... more along the lines of funny poetry... fuck they're getting booker

[Answer]

what do you think of the newer cats like

prof
kiddo marv
yung gravy
stupid young
iggy azalea
lil dicky
dirt nasty
tom mcdonald
tekashi 69

Newer cats? Did you write this shit in 2018?

There’s this wild shit called COVID going around, might be important

[Cereal]

Newer cats? Did you write this shit in 2018?
politically yes..

but they really only had a hit in the last few years..

we were talking about cats 30-20 years old i think they are alot newer

[kungfugrip]

Given kungs love for the paul brothers i can tell you without a shadow of a doubt he loves tekashi

Thin bro

Real thin

[Cereal]

Given kungs love for the paul brothers i can tell you without a shadow of a doubt he loves tekashi

respect..

i love that billy song.. they deleted it off youtube when he was in jail then brought it back once he got signed

[Cereal]

what about that new cat krsone that still hasnt got a mention dude is mad with the pen

[Ouch]

leggo.... lets see bucks

[Cereal]

https://soundcloud.com/aaron-batty-951093780/11-joint-custody-leggo

[Blue Bayou]

Pakistani Hand Cannon is a THREAD MAKER

[Ouch]

you bastadrs

[kungfugrip]

He's not much of a Name Maker tho

[Ouch]

jae crowder is dope.... great shooter... I live yannias but that motherfucker cant shoot free throws for anything

[Cereal]

Pakistani Hand Cannon is a THREAD MAKER

lol nice

[Ouch]

I cant rememmber what my free throw percentage was.. my dad an angry ball player... vietnam.. My shit was 9 of 10 im sure... im sure I Could still do that now... yannis.. horrible

[Blue Bayou]

jae crowder is dope.... great shooter... I live yannias but that motherfucker cant shoot free throws for anything

Yannias... Kobes daughter?

[Fracture]

Ouch aint here no more this dude vegetable boarding

[Answer]

Pakistani Hand Cannon is a THREAD MAKER

Does it really count when half the posts are ouch and kung though

[Cereal]

Does it really count when half the posts are ouch and kung though
lol
atleast one of them is on topic.. lol that other one has ran off with the thread

[kungfugrip]

Does it really count when half the posts are ouch and kung though

Buddy I'm getting slide dissed by 'Answer'

I had to press the back button to double check the name

[Cereal]

hehehe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYRHMfr603I

[Ouch]

im not a rapper... never said that I Was.. im quote good at poetry and whatever..., but I don't do thqt very option shit... so thats what I think

[kungfugrip]

You gotta be able to talk to know how to rap, thats not the argument

[Pharaohs Army]

Answer

You seem to have cherrypicked Eminem's worst bars and said "this is why he's not a great lyricist."

He has a lot of good bars though. You've only focused on the bad.

[Answer]

Answer

You seem to have cherrypicked Eminem's worst bars and said "this is why he's not a great lyricist."

He has a lot of good bars though. You've only focused on the bad.

I think you’re missing the point. It is INCREDIBLY, INCREDIBLY easy to find bad eminem bars.

I posted like 10+ quotes. There’s a lot more and that doesn’t even include songs like Fack, Ass like that, big weenie, my first single

It takes like 1 minute of searching to find a trash Eminem bar

If I spent 8 hours up all night going through every Royce da 5’9 album, mixtape, and song in existence I promise you I couldn’t find a SINGLE quote as bad as “faggoty faggoty faggoty raggedy and andy”

That’s the point you eminem stans have your head too far up your asses to see. There are a LOT of rappers with a more consistent and better lyrical catalogue than eminem

[Pharaohs Army]

I'm not a Stan. Was just saying there's a lot of good to go along with the bad you've quoted.

[Pharaohs Army]

He's not the best, but I'd just like to mention Del the Funky Homosapien in this thread.

[Answer]

I never said eminem was the worst or that he doesn’t have some good stuff. I’m simply providing evidence for why he’s not the best. I don’t know if you’ve looked at the title of the thread, but we’re talking about the “ nicest pen in rap”, not the “sometimes garbage but occasionally nice pens in rap”

If that were the case, em has it locked down

[Universe]

For fuck sakes... That's like someone taking your Sinacog diss track at face value... "Well those are shitty lyrics" they'd say...."This guy can't be one of the best based on THAT"... Some things are clearly meant to be a joke and should be treated as such.

Let it go.

[Answer]

For fuck sakes... That's like someone taking your Sinacog diss track at face value... "Well those are shitty lyrics" they'd say...."This guy can't be one of the best based on THAT"... Some things are clearly meant to be a joke and should be treated as such.

Let it go.

Whoa guy what are you trying to say about my sinacog diss track

Blue Bayou be on standby with the burner

[Pharaohs Army]

I never said eminem was the worst or that he doesn’t have some good stuff. I’m simply providing evidence for why he’s not the best. I don’t know if you’ve looked at the title of the thread, but we’re talking about the “ nicest pen in rap”, not the “sometimes garbage but occasionally nice pens in rap”

If that were the case, em has it locked down

fair enough

And yours was royce?

[Answer]

fair enough

And yours was royce?

to be honest, if I was really going to approach the debate of nicest pen in rap in an autistic way, I think it would require coming up with a definition and mathematically weighting certain abilities.

There’s a lot of aspects to writing. Multis, wordplay, rhymeschemes. Do we consider flow as part of writing ability? I think it should be, since rhythm constrains your lyricism. How much does vulnerability or chorus writing matter versus braggadocio wit?

How about freestyling? Obviously it’s irrelevant if we’re using the term “nicest pen” but if we’re asking about the nicest lyricist, some people might argue that freestyling ability matters.

The thing is destro is trying to argue that it’s subjective, but its only subjective because there are no clear definitions. For example, “what is a planet?” If there’s no clear definition for what a planet is, any rock in the solar system can be called a planet. There are bodies larger than Pluto that we’ve discovered after Pluto but aren’t classified as planet. That’s why definitions needed to be established and why Pluto was declassified as a planet after those definitions were created

And if you establish those definitions the same way the a scientist would establish a definition for anything that’s undefined, then you can proceed to have these discussions in a way where all of these things are quantifiable and an objective agreement can be reached

This seems like a fun thing to do, I might create a web program and get back to you




But the tl;dr version is if we’re talking about multis/rhymeschemes/flow, which is usually what people tend to focus on in these discussions, Royce is by far the best.

[White LGI]

to be honest, if I was really going to approach the debate of nicest pen in rap in an autistic way, I think it would require coming up with a definition and mathematically weighting certain abilities.

There’s a lot of aspects to writing. Multis, wordplay, rhymeschemes. Do we consider flow as part of writing ability? I think it should be, since rhythm constrains your lyricism. How much does vulnerability or chorus writing matter versus braggadocio wit?

How about freestyling? Obviously it’s irrelevant if we’re using the term “nicest pen” but if we’re asking about the nicest lyricist, some people might argue that freestyling ability matters.

The thing is destro is trying to argue that it’s subjective, but its only subjective because there are no clear definitions. For example, “what is a planet?” If there’s no clear definition for what a planet is, any rock in the solar system can be called a planet. There are bodies larger than Pluto that we’ve discovered after Pluto but aren’t classified as planet. That’s why definitions needed to be established and why Pluto was declassified as a planet after those definitions were created

And if you establish those definitions the same way the a scientist would establish a definition for anything that’s undefined, then you can proceed to have these discussions in a way where all of these things are quantifiable and an objective agreement can be reached

This seems like a fun thing to do, I might create a web program and get back to you




But the tl;dr version is if we’re talking about multis/rhymeschemes/flow, which is usually what people tend to focus on in these discussions, Royce is by far the best.


You make everything boring as fuck bro

Just say who you think has the best pen...FOR FUCKING CHRIST SAKE

[Answer]

You make everything boring as fuck bro

Just say who you think has the best pen...FOR FUCKING CHRIST SAKE

that's why i got the tl;dr for idiots like you

[evaD]

It’s obviously black thought how is there 11 pages here?

[Witty]

I haven't read this thread but imo Answer has the best pen in rap.

Also Blue Bayou is very handsome.

[Answer]

I haven't read this thread but imo Answer has the best pen in rap.

Also Blue Bayou is very handsome.

They called you the smartest man on the forum, and I cannot disagree

[Witty]

They called you the smartest man on the forum, and I cannot disagree

They did not lie to you.

They did, however, mislead you.

I am, in fact, not just the smartest man on this forum. I am the smartest man on all forums, which, I think you will find, qualifies me as only slightly retarded.

And I would like that added to my accomplishments please Sharp

[Sharp]

They did not lie to you.

They did, however, mislead you.

I am, in fact, not just the smartest man on this forum. I am the smartest man on all forums, which, I think you will find, qualifies me as only slightly retarded.

And I would like that added to my accomplishments please Sharp

Your wish is my command

[Witty]

Your wish is my command

You are a gentleman and a scholar.

[Pakistani Hand Cannon]

knew the eminem comment would trigger you squares

lyricsm, by the definition of the word, isnt how many miracle syllables you can rhyme.

tryna break the shit down mathematically just highlights your lack of understanding of art. period.

salute to whoever mentioned Andre300.

prime example of one hiphops finest lyricists, that doesnt rhyme a whole lot of shits comparatively.

[Ouch]

look at this Answer is a dude who
looks at this...Iversons it too much

[Sinacog]

Here's the deal with how retarded Answer(netcee's) is ,,he's actually has a good pen..

my pen game is insane..

It's probably Sinacog..

[emcee squared]

zygote's a-b verse is the greatest text verse I've seen on the internet.

I would also put it up against any emcee's recorded writtens in the history of rap.

That said, the DEAL IS STILL OUT ON THIS THREAD
And I WASN'T Joking in 2015 When I mentioned Del The Funky Homosapian....AT LEAST IN HONORABLE MENTIONS.

Grandmaster Flash's The Message:
While certainly not a wizardry-of-written-lyrical-penmanship
AS A TRACk...
Remains the most important&influential &(nearly so, god the earliest)
And it's not even close...and will never ever be close.. It's just set already.

[Scar]

jay electronica is also the most impressive lyricist to me without being overly complex though. his schemes and patterns aren't intricate but i'm the correct level of dumb to find shit he says as profound

that niggas fiyah, son. he and royce are my top 2 penners