View Full Version : TWIN TOURNEY CHAT THREAD
Dominate
11-25-2024, 07:41 AM
sral can you sticky this one please.
Mag up tomorrow
symetrik
11-25-2024, 12:18 PM
sral can you sticky this one please.
Mag up tomorrow
let's gooooo thanks for hosting this
symetrik
11-25-2024, 02:07 PM
as an engineer I'm hype for the ChatGPT battles bc they're gonna rely entirely on the prompter's ability to coax out a nuanced battle instead of a dr seuss slog of weird lines lol
sral can you sticky this one please.
Mag up tomorrow
All done
Has Goatmilk713 been accepted so they can post and take part Diode?
John Dillinger
11-25-2024, 07:25 PM
Why can’t AI battle each other while normal battlers battle each other?
Regulator
11-25-2024, 07:34 PM
I will try to work with that due date thanksgiving is Tuesday and I will be busy all week
Dominate
11-25-2024, 07:43 PM
Why can’t AI battle each other while normal battlers battle each other?
I don’t want AI in round 2 if we can help it
John Dillinger
11-25-2024, 08:12 PM
Understandable
The state of text in 2024… *sigh*
Our text forum battling founding fathers are turning in their graves
John Dillinger
11-25-2024, 11:03 PM
I said I would be down for topical if needed, was glossed over for ChatGPT, and replaced by a dude who hasn’t logged in since 2014
John Dillinger
11-25-2024, 11:06 PM
Regular battles for now, but if you end up needing someone for topical I can step in
“Nah, we’d rather have ChatGPT”
When did fraze champ NWL?
John Dillinger
11-25-2024, 11:45 PM
Last minute sign in - fraze will replace ChatGPT here
Last minute but I signed up a week before him
Dominate
11-26-2024, 12:14 AM
Sorry man, I read “if you need someone” like you didn’t really want to but would make the effort if needed for the culture.
Dominate
11-26-2024, 12:17 AM
There’s two topicals where no one has checked in yet - write a verse for one of those if you want and at worst you’ll get some detailed feedback from me, and at best you can replace someone that no shows.
Twin Tourney graphic is fire
Dominate
11-26-2024, 02:06 AM
Twin Tourney graphic is fire
ChatGPT haha. Although it took me a while to get the prompting right.
Can you sticky the mag I just posted please?
fraze
11-26-2024, 09:48 PM
I said I would be down for topical if needed, was glossed over for ChatGPT, and replaced by a dude who hasn’t logged in since 2014
I hadn't logged in since '21 if we're going to be accurate. But I don't think you should take it personally, seems more like miscommunication than anything. Hope you get in btw, but if not I'm always down for a battle if you just wanted to write.
John Dillinger
11-26-2024, 11:42 PM
My bad I shouldn’t even had been upset about it
Dominate fraze
ChatGPT haha. Although it took me a while to get the prompting right.
Can you sticky the mag I just posted please?
Done
Master Rock
11-27-2024, 03:01 PM
How did I miss out on this one? Ugh!!!
Regulator
11-27-2024, 04:29 PM
ChatGPT haha. Although it took me a while to get the prompting right.
Can you sticky the mag I just posted please?
Yea ai art is tricky because it dont do text right would be cool if there was an ai that turned your ai art into a psd so you could edit lol when I do text I usually do graffiti because graffiti don’t have to be spelled correctly but look like what your going for
Dominate
11-27-2024, 05:28 PM
My bad I shouldn’t even had been upset about it
Dominate fraze
All G man.
Would you and Master Rock like to have a topical battle and the winner can be a back up in case of a double no show?
John Dillinger
11-27-2024, 08:12 PM
Do you got discord Dominate in case something Happens
What could possibly happen that you couldn’t discuss here?
That shadow communication is whack man
Master Rock
11-27-2024, 08:26 PM
Let’s go!
Regulator
11-27-2024, 08:57 PM
What could possibly happen that you couldn’t discuss here?
That shadow communication is whack man
He knows
Regulator
11-27-2024, 08:59 PM
I can still post my verse after a petty ban like always
John Dillinger
11-27-2024, 09:15 PM
No one is going to ban you
Dominate
11-27-2024, 09:45 PM
He knows
Don’t make it sound like I’m in on some dodgy cahoots with you lmao
He’s convinced he’s going to be banned and unable to post for some reason. Idk.
Dominate
11-27-2024, 09:45 PM
Let’s go!
John Dillinger do you want a topical battle still?
Regulator
11-27-2024, 11:30 PM
Don’t make it sound like I’m in on some dodgy cahoots with you lmao
He’s convinced he’s going to be banned and unable to post for some reason. Idk.
Like i said i almost garantee it happens, aowl it happened later in the season, and twice before that must have burned through 2 accounts in aowl
Dominate
11-28-2024, 08:18 PM
ONE DAY TO GO
How're those verses shaping up Scar brokenhal0 FGR Saint symetrik Goatmilk713 Etherwave fraze?
symetrik
11-28-2024, 08:22 PM
ONE DAY TO GO
How're those verses shaping up Scar brokenhal0 FGR Saint symetrik Goatmilk713 Etherwave fraze?
yurrrr gonna need an extension plz and thank you
fraze
11-28-2024, 08:27 PM
ONE DAY TO GO
How're those verses shaping up Scar brokenhal0 FGR Saint symetrik Goatmilk713 Etherwave fraze?
my verse is more or less done. didn't love the topic pic but tried to have some fun with it. might do some edits tomorrow.
Regulator
11-28-2024, 08:44 PM
Half way through my topical one still may have it in on time but requested extra because thanksgiving shit
John Dillinger
11-28-2024, 09:03 PM
John Dillinger do you want a topical battle still?
I’m about it
Dominate
11-28-2024, 09:36 PM
yurrrr gonna need an extension plz and thank you
No worries, extended to Saturday!
Dominate
11-28-2024, 09:36 PM
my verse is more or less done. didn't love the topic pic but tried to have some fun with it. might do some edits tomorrow.
Good to hear. I’ll make the topics a bit different next round.
Dominate
11-28-2024, 09:37 PM
Half way through my topical one still may have it in on time but requested extra because thanksgiving shit
Yep you’re good
Dominate
11-28-2024, 09:38 PM
I’m about it
Scar and brokenhal0 seem to have disappeared so you and Master Rock can go ahead and write for the topic in their thread
John Dillinger
11-28-2024, 10:21 PM
Bet it Up
ONE DAY TO GO
How're those verses shaping up Scar brokenhal0 FGR Saint symetrik Goatmilk713 Etherwave fraze?
i'll need an extension
Mike Wrecka
11-29-2024, 08:35 AM
I’ll try to help out and vote on any topicals that are lacking votes
Just @ me
Etherwave
11-29-2024, 09:22 AM
Imma finish mine today. I got the blues.
John Dillinger
11-29-2024, 12:42 PM
Melancholia ain’t no joke
Etherwave
11-29-2024, 01:43 PM
I wouldn't say it's severe. More like general malaise.
symetrik
11-29-2024, 02:44 PM
I wouldn't say it's severe. More like general malaise.
I always remove the malaise from my sandwiches but love mustard.
EHEHEHE
Dope girl
11-29-2024, 03:52 PM
Looking forward to seeing everyone verse
Dominate
11-29-2024, 05:43 PM
i'll need an extension
New deadline Saturday!
brokenhal0 I’m gonna need you to trim it down a little bit brother. Even allowing 15 words per “line” for different formatting you’re over the limit.
Dominate
11-29-2024, 05:44 PM
I’ll try to help out and vote on any topicals that are lacking votes
Just @ me
Gratitude
John Dillinger
11-29-2024, 05:58 PM
Lol @ Robranda
John Dillinger
11-29-2024, 05:59 PM
She want action
She want a man show passion
She want a man show affection
She want a man give attention
She want a man make her tight
She want a man treat her right
She don't want a man good for give her baby
She don't want a man lazy
John Dillinger
11-29-2024, 06:00 PM
He put me in the fliest car
Making sure I'm tight
My man by side
Everything's right
He call me on the phone
even on his time
That's I love him
He don't play no game
He spend money to his name
That's why I love him
My man gives me anything I want
Phone calls, Shopping malls
That's why I love him
He can't afford it
But he do what is best for his lady
He's my everything
He's my King
He do it all for me
Etherwave
11-29-2024, 07:00 PM
Haha, Fraze is lit. so much energy
fraze
11-29-2024, 07:03 PM
Haha, Fraze is lit. so much energy
You went in too. Good battle.
brokenhal0
11-29-2024, 09:27 PM
New deadline Saturday!
brokenhal0 I’m gonna need you to trim it down a little bit brother. Even allowing 15 words per “line” for different formatting you’re over the limit.
respect i tried to trim it down best i could but i enjoy the piece i dont wanna butcher it.. if scar can match me or lets it rock that would be awesome if not ill try to rewrite something else or take a dq ...i zone out sometimes and get immersed in the image seems to be my problem in these type of battles hope yall enjoy it also .
New deadline Saturday!
brokenhal0 I’m gonna need you to trim it down a little bit brother. Even allowing 15 words per “line” for different formatting you’re over the limit.
Wished I saw this earlier
respect i tried to trim it down best i could but i enjoy the piece i dont wanna butcher it.. if scar can match me or lets it rock that would be awesome if not ill try to rewrite something else or take a dq ...i zone out sometimes and get immersed in the image seems to be my problem in these type of battles hope yall enjoy it also .
Im cool with it. Let it stand.
asylum
11-30-2024, 12:44 AM
is this season over?
hi everyone happy holidays.
John Dillinger
11-30-2024, 01:14 AM
is this season over?
hi everyone happy holidays.
What season are you referring to
asylum
11-30-2024, 01:21 AM
oh thanks for pointing that out.
all i knew is i clicked on something aowl.
enjoy the tourney.
Dominate
11-30-2024, 02:31 AM
oh thanks for pointing that out.
all i knew is i clicked on something aowl.
enjoy the tourney.
The people with the powers to make new subforums aren’t around, so we’re just using this one for the tourney we’re running
Etherwave
11-30-2024, 03:13 AM
I always remove the malaise from my sandwiches but love mustard.
EHEHEHE
Hahaha
Dominate
11-30-2024, 08:16 PM
Saint FGR tic toc fellas!
Or if anyone wants to be a last minute stand in go ahead and post a verse.
Great job everyone else showing up and thanks to those who have already started voting. Please do your part here - this scene can’t survive without votes and feedback. I’ll be casting mine in the next 24 hours.
John Dillinger
11-30-2024, 11:35 PM
Slick Nick AI picture looks like an AIDS Max Holloway
Fuck I'm to late lol gl to everyone
John Dillinger
12-01-2024, 01:36 PM
That man be high as hell ^
Dominate
12-01-2024, 07:05 PM
Fuck I'm to late lol gl to everyone
Lmaooo.
Stick around and vote for us?
Also, can you give me mod powers for this forum?
Dominate
12-01-2024, 09:17 PM
Ran out of time to finish voting on my lunch break but I’ll get to the other two tonight.
symetrik Goatmilk713 (pm me) Etherwave fraze Scar brokenhal0 Regulator get those votes in please folks. We want to keep the momentum and definitely want to wrap this up before Christmas.
ACTIVATE SELF I see you, you fucking gigachad. Thanks for being the ideal competitor. Posting days early and then voting on everything ASAP. Take notes everybody else.
ACTIVATE SELF
12-01-2024, 09:48 PM
Ran out of time to finish voting on my lunch break but I’ll get to the other two tonight.
symetrik Goatmilk713 (pm me) Etherwave fraze Scar brokenhal0 Regulator get those votes in please folks. We want to keep the momentum and definitely want to wrap this up before Christmas.
ACTIVATE SELF I see you, you fucking gigachad. Thanks for being the ideal competitor. Posting days early and then voting on everything ASAP. Take notes everybody else.
Just trying to pull my weight since you called me out, lol. Hopefully, my schedule doesn’t get too busy between now and the next few weeks. Trying to keep it consistent.
Dominate
12-02-2024, 06:44 AM
Just trying to pull my weight since you called me out, lol. Hopefully, my schedule doesn’t get too busy between now and the next few weeks. Trying to keep it consistent.
lol and now you’ve even voted on all the regular battles. You’re just showing off now.
AND I AM HERE FOR IT.
fraze
12-02-2024, 08:32 AM
Will try to add some more votes later today.
Etherwave
12-02-2024, 10:15 AM
I think i hit everything except symetrik and goatmilk. I'll vote there if needed Goodluck everyone!
Ran out of time to finish voting on my lunch break but I’ll get to the other two tonight.
symetrik Goatmilk713 (pm me) Etherwave fraze Scar brokenhal0 Regulator get those votes in please folks. We want to keep the momentum and definitely want to wrap this up before Christmas.
ACTIVATE SELF I see you, you fucking gigachad. Thanks for being the ideal competitor. Posting days early and then voting on everything ASAP. Take notes everybody else.
I’ll throw some out tonight. Damn the efficiency of this tournament or league or whatever it is. I can’t believe every battle fell through Jeez!!!!
John Dillinger
12-02-2024, 02:14 PM
Does fell through have a different meaning now or am I just getting old?
symetrik
12-02-2024, 02:21 PM
Ran out of time to finish voting on my lunch break but I’ll get to the other two tonight.
symetrik Goatmilk713 (pm me) Etherwave fraze Scar brokenhal0 Regulator get those votes in please folks. We want to keep the momentum and definitely want to wrap this up before Christmas.
ACTIVATE SELF I see you, you fucking gigachad. Thanks for being the ideal competitor. Posting days early and then voting on everything ASAP. Take notes everybody else.
yoooo votes should be all in. dope showing everyone.
symetrik
12-02-2024, 02:22 PM
Does fell through have a different meaning now or am I just getting old?
naw he's just wrong af
Etherwave
12-02-2024, 02:40 PM
My battle was NOT a failure and I resent this accusation.
Dominate
12-02-2024, 02:41 PM
Maybe meant to say came through
Regulator
12-02-2024, 03:52 PM
Dominate yes predator was used as a metaphor for demon it be super natural or internal mental demons I like to edit my lines down after I write but phoned the last part in on rr we would have a word count limit I think it was like 30 lines / word count which ever comes first so if you reached word count at 15 lines then that’s the max
Dominate
12-02-2024, 11:11 PM
All the reg battles could be closed and moved sral
We need more votes on the topical battles folks. Get ‘em in. Do your part. Let’s get this round wrapped up.
I’ve moved everything to the archived forum, pretty busy myself today and tomorrow I’m afraid but I’ll try to close them tonight.
Dominate
12-03-2024, 05:46 AM
All good man. Thank you.
Good looks on the votes fraze
We need more votes on Regulator vs ACTIVATE SELF and Etherwave vs fraze. Mike Wrecka you mentioned you could help with voting where needed?
Symetrik vs Goatmilk is 4-0
Halo vs Scar is 4-1
These can close there if needed but the other two are closer
ACTIVATE SELF
12-03-2024, 07:55 PM
I thought my rhyme scheme was super intricate and refined, if you read it aloud. It’s all in the syllable arrangements. But…maybe I’m delusional, lol. Good stuff ladies and gents I thought you all brought unique approaches to the round—a very diverse collection of styles. Looking forward to reading your round 2s.
Dominate
12-04-2024, 02:43 PM
Next round is going up in around 12 hours.
Regulator
12-04-2024, 04:28 PM
To make it realistic one of the bots need to come in here and complain about votes
Etherwave
12-04-2024, 04:50 PM
Lmaoooo
Regulator
12-04-2024, 05:48 PM
I will get the rest of the votes in later that last vote in my battle was for me, but I understand if it doesn't count but also understand if it has to be counted LOL. I don't know if there is any expectations as far as explaining go's, if it's anything like the passed then we good.
Lmaooo.
Stick around and vote for us?
Also, can you give me mod powers for this forum?
Got you let me know if you need anything else. Also have patience with me lol. Ill mod you now
Also any interest in another awol season? sral Dominate
Dominate
12-05-2024, 12:37 AM
Got you let me know if you need anything else. Also have patience with me lol. Ill mod you now
Thanks man. Can you vote on ether/fraze and regulator/activate?
Dominate
12-05-2024, 12:38 AM
Also any interest in another awol season? sral Dominate
To compete or to mod?
Definitely the former. Maybe the latter. I could help run it at least.
John Dillinger
12-05-2024, 02:40 AM
I don’t do well with voting on topicals
Thanks man. Can you vote on ether/fraze and regulator/activate?
Modded
PancakeBrah
12-05-2024, 09:02 AM
All good man. Thank you.
Good looks on the votes fraze
We need more votes on Regulator vs ACTIVATE SELF and Etherwave vs fraze. Mike Wrecka you mentioned you could help with voting where needed?
Symetrik vs Goatmilk is 4-0
Halo vs Scar is 4-1
These can close there if needed but the other two are closer
You missed one vote on every battle.
Regulator
12-05-2024, 01:35 PM
I take it that last vote on my battle didn’t count because that vote tied the battle but it wasn’t explained
Also any interest in another awol season? sral Dominate
Personally I don’t think we’re quite ready for that just yet, let’s keep to the consistency of getting tournaments done and completed. It looks far better for activity, this is our third short topical tournament run back to back and maintaining that consistent delivery of successful tournaments seen through to completion is what’s important right now. It’s a slow but steady process, I think what we should aim for is several short (8 person only) tourneys until gradually there’s enough interest expressed that we could aim for a 16 person topical tourney. Once we can get a few of those successfully completed, then we can look into building towards having a short league - perhaps only 6-8 weeks of in-season competition before playoffs and a tourney to crown a victor.
We aren’t there quite yet.
Dominate
12-05-2024, 02:58 PM
You missed one vote on every battle.
Yeah that was actually really unhelpful. Have your lulz in the battles that aren’t close if you have to. Don’t do it when it’s 2-1 or 3-2 please.
PancakeBrah
12-05-2024, 03:01 PM
Yeah that was actually really unhelpful. Have your lulz in the battles that aren’t close if you have to. Don’t do it when it’s 2-1 or 3-2 please.
They were honest votes.
Explaining a vote, quoting stuff, etc. Yikes.
Dominate
12-05-2024, 03:07 PM
Don’t be a dick. You cared about this once.
PancakeBrah
12-05-2024, 03:15 PM
Don’t be a dick. You cared about this once.
Yeah. That's why I voted. Maybe you're internet-poisoned or something. Wasn't a bit. Don't worry I won't vote again. Best of luck to all remaining writers!
Dominate
12-05-2024, 03:18 PM
Yeah. That's why I voted. Maybe you're internet-poisoned or something. Wasn't a bit. Don't worry I won't vote again. Best of luck to all remaining writers!
Literally 2-3 sentences of explanation, and I’d be thrilled to have you vote.
You really can’t see my point here?
PancakeBrah
12-05-2024, 03:20 PM
That's reasonable.
Dominate
12-05-2024, 03:48 PM
Thanks. Hope you’re well.
Regulator
12-05-2024, 03:53 PM
my votes look shitty as compared to when I vote on pc, I mostly do everything by phone.
sral
When you put like that it makes a whole lotta sense lol I'm wondering if we should of done this year's ago. Good lars. always appreciated your dedication to the craft.
And Dominate
I wrll definitely vote this round.
This place is starting to feel like home again. I'm gonna try to be more active in both admin and writing sides.
Let me know if you guys need anything else.
I think I'm the only active admin anyway lol
Regulator
12-05-2024, 09:06 PM
FYI my bar wasn’t a gun bar pretty much saying the battle was one sided and the odds are closer to me I think Dillinger was close to getting it
John Dillinger
12-06-2024, 01:39 AM
I had to do quantum physics to figure that shit out
John Dillinger
12-06-2024, 01:39 AM
sral
When you put like that it makes a whole lotta sense lol I'm wondering if we should of done this year's ago. Good lars. always appreciated your dedication to the craft.
And Dominate
I wrll definitely vote this round.
This place is starting to feel like home again. I'm gonna try to be more active in both admin and writing sides.
Let me know if you guys need anything else.
I think I'm the only active admin anyway lol
Bro always says this and then ghosts for a year
Regulator
12-06-2024, 02:35 AM
I figured cuz it ain’t gunplay if nobody dies
fraze
12-06-2024, 12:48 PM
Personally I don’t think we’re quite ready for that just yet, let’s keep to the consistency of getting tournaments done and completed. It looks far better for activity, this is our third short topical tournament run back to back and maintaining that consistent delivery of successful tournaments seen through to completion is what’s important right now. It’s a slow but steady process, I think what we should aim for is several short (8 person only) tourneys until gradually there’s enough interest expressed that we could aim for a 16 person topical tourney. Once we can get a few of those successfully completed, then we can look into building towards having a short league - perhaps only 6-8 weeks of in-season competition before playoffs and a tourney to crown a victor.
We aren’t there quite yet.
Possibly could try 8-man with double elimination. Would give more people the chance to write in consecutive weeks while keeping the faster pace of the tourney format.
Regulator
12-06-2024, 01:14 PM
I figured cuz it ain’t gunplay if nobody dies
shit my dawg,
that needs to go on a t shirt.
fraze
12-06-2024, 04:45 PM
They were honest votes.
Explaining a vote, quoting stuff, etc. Yikes.
I believe your votes were honest for the record. And props on you for trying to add votes to battles that need them. But you gotta at least hear Dominate's point. People are putting effort into making quality verses, it's not really fair to the competitors if you're not giving quality feedback. It doesn't make the league any better and it makes people distrust the voting.
I get it. It's not really fun to write a detailed breakdown. That's fair. But you have to come up with some way to convey that you actually read the piece if you want your vote to be taken seriously. Try category by category. Or a 1 sentence summary of each verse. But just a name isn't enough. Otherwise you're not giving him much of an option as the mod. He's not out to get you, he's just trying to keep people engaged in the tourney by filtering out questionable votes.
Low key you kind of robbed Etherwave of a potential win, it was a battle where anyone could have won. If you had given a better explanation it probably would have stood until we got more votes.
Regulator
12-06-2024, 05:49 PM
Dominate is there an accomp for this tourney ? Even tho it will take years to get it lol
Etherwave
12-06-2024, 06:17 PM
I'm not disappointed! I don't feel like I missed out.
Dope girl
12-06-2024, 09:18 PM
Good job everyone
I love what I see
Dominate
12-06-2024, 10:38 PM
Dominate is there an accomp for this tourney ? Even tho it will take years to get it lol
I don’t see why not.
Dominate
12-06-2024, 10:40 PM
Possibly could try 8-man with double elimination. Would give more people the chance to write in consecutive weeks while keeping the faster pace of the tourney format.
This is a good idea.
The counterpoint to tourney over league is more people stay involved for longer, so votes and activity don’t drop off so much. Double elimination addresses that a bit
PancakeBrah
12-07-2024, 09:58 AM
I believe your votes were honest for the record. And props on you for trying to add votes to battles that need them. But you gotta at least hear Dominate's point. People are putting effort into making quality verses, it's not really fair to the competitors if you're not giving quality feedback. It doesn't make the league any better and it makes people distrust the voting.
I get it. It's not really fun to write a detailed breakdown. That's fair. But you have to come up with some way to convey that you actually read the piece if you want your vote to be taken seriously. Try category by category. Or a 1 sentence summary of each verse. But just a name isn't enough. Otherwise you're not giving him much of an option as the mod. He's not out to get you, he's just trying to keep people engaged in the tourney by filtering out questionable votes.
Low key you kind of robbed Etherwave of a potential win, it was a battle where anyone could have won. If you had given a better explanation it probably would have stood until we got more votes.
I apologize to Etherwave.
Etherwave
12-07-2024, 12:38 PM
I apologize to Etherwave.
Lol. That's kind. Quite unnecessary, but thank you.
Dominate
12-08-2024, 07:15 AM
Almost done with the mag for this round. sral let me know if that interview can happen this round or if we’ll save it for the next one.
John Dillinger
12-08-2024, 10:10 AM
We should do a podcast mag
John Dillinger
12-08-2024, 11:53 AM
My b
Almost done with the mag for this round. sral let me know if that interview can happen this round or if we’ll save it for the next one.
I’m more than halfway through
Just been busy
symetrik
12-09-2024, 09:44 AM
yo is my opponent checking in? should I write? who's filling in?
Dominate
12-09-2024, 09:59 PM
Mag will be up in around 10 hours!
Let’s call it a blanket extension on all these battles until tomorrow/Tuesday.
How are we looking symetrik brokenhal0 fraze Saint Etherwave John Dillinger ?
Dominate
12-09-2024, 10:00 PM
yo is my opponent checking in? should I write? who's filling in?
ChatGPT will fill in if needed but I think Halo will post
symetrik
12-09-2024, 11:57 PM
Mag will be up in around 10 hours!
Let’s call it a blanket extension on all these battles until tomorrow/Tuesday.
How are we looking symetrik brokenhal0 fraze Saint Etherwave John Dillinger ?
I'll post, but only starting tomorrow x'D
Dominate
12-10-2024, 01:52 AM
I'll post, but only starting tomorrow x'D
You’re breaking my heart.
symetrik
12-10-2024, 11:20 AM
You’re breaking my heart.
fight me about it
Dominate
12-10-2024, 06:10 PM
fight me about it
100 bars due TONIGHT. YOU’RE FUCKING DEAD.
ACTIVATE SELF
12-10-2024, 07:39 PM
Verse edited and reposted
symetrik
12-10-2024, 09:55 PM
100 bars due TONIGHT. YOU’RE FUCKING DEAD.
reeeee
but I'm still posting tonight, maybe Pacific time, but it's gonna be done.
fraze
12-11-2024, 12:02 AM
Verse edited and reposted
Quality verse my guy. I can't vote in our battle, so I'll just say I like what you did with the rhymes this week.
Dominate
12-11-2024, 12:10 AM
brokenhal0 Etherwave Saint where you at
Saint
12-11-2024, 12:17 AM
Posting when I get home, if ok
ACTIVATE SELF
12-11-2024, 12:33 AM
Quality verse my guy. I can't vote in our battle, so I'll just say I like what you did with the rhymes this week.
Yo, I just read yours, and I’m definitely impressed. Not sure if you’ve seen this show, but your verse kinda reminds me of it. It's called Record of Ragnarok on Netflix. I caught an episode or two, and I envisioned a similar vibe. Dope stuff, fasho tho. Frfr.
John Dillinger
12-11-2024, 01:04 AM
Guess deadlines mean nothing nowadays
Regulator
12-11-2024, 02:31 AM
Not going to lie rushed the end of my topical verse because I didn’t want to think about it during thanksgiving so the part about it being a Farris wheel malfunction was the last minute because I didn’t know how to end it without being super trash
Regulator
12-11-2024, 02:43 AM
The regular battles are super late
brokenhal0
12-11-2024, 06:30 AM
MY fault for the delay Dominate i was done before the deadline but it needed revision I was off the grid for about 48hours
SYMetrik hopefully my Dq streak against you doesn't continue
respect
Etherwave
12-11-2024, 08:40 AM
Sorry. Uh. My cat died. And then my dog. Craziest shit.
Etherwave
12-11-2024, 08:41 AM
But nah. Irl I'm bored. It's not like we can invite new people and the shit mad disorganized. And people just vote for the people they know. Same people I'm clearly stuck with forever. Without the ability for new people to join the site. So it's like whatever eh.
Etherwave
12-11-2024, 08:42 AM
Dq
symetrik
12-11-2024, 11:39 AM
Sorry. Uh. My cat died. And then my dog. Craziest shit.
don't forget the hamsterrrrrrr
symetrik
12-11-2024, 11:46 AM
MY fault for the delay Dominate i was done before the deadline but it needed revision I was off the grid for about 48hours
SYMetrik hopefully my Dq streak against you doesn't continue
respect
*breathes in*
https://i.imgflip.com/9dfc51.jpg
Dominate
12-11-2024, 11:52 AM
ALL BATTKES NOW OPEN FOR VOTES, LETS GOOOOOO!!
But nah. Irl I'm bored. It's not like we can invite new people and the shit mad disorganized. And people just vote for the people they know. Same people I'm clearly stuck with forever. Without the ability for new people to join the site. So it's like whatever eh.
The same people didn’t vote for the names they knew when you ended up winning?
PancakeBrah
12-11-2024, 02:25 PM
But nah. Irl I'm bored. It's not like we can invite new people and the shit mad disorganized. And people just vote for the people they know. Same people I'm clearly stuck with forever. Without the ability for new people to join the site. So it's like whatever eh.
Don't get too down on yourself Etherwave. Sometimes it feels like the whole world is against you but often it's just a random sampling of votes on a text rap forum in 2024. Be proud and strong.
Etherwave
12-11-2024, 02:44 PM
Don't get too down on yourself Etherwave. Sometimes it feels like the whole world is against you but often it's just a random sampling of votes on a text rap forum in 2024. Be proud and strong.
Lmao. I'm not down. And I wasn't talking about me it was only 3 voters on mine.
Etherwave
12-11-2024, 02:45 PM
The same people didn’t vote for the names they knew when you ended up winning?
I wasn't talking about myself. And also I felt like yall let me win because I was a girl tbh. As I've previously stated.
Etherwave
12-11-2024, 02:46 PM
My battle was a good battle! I love it.
Etherwave
12-11-2024, 03:04 PM
Maybe yall taking the votes thing to heart when the point is, it'll never be new people. And the fact that people think I'm a dupe of some sort, because I'm new. And of course you think it's a funny joke. And I do not. And I want to be myself, not someone people are side eyeing and distrustful of. I mean in how many magazines will this go on? Or whatever. But it's cool.
PancakeBrah
12-11-2024, 03:28 PM
There will be hundreds of new people on Netcees in 2025.
Regulator
12-11-2024, 05:42 PM
There will be hundreds of new people on Netcees in 2025.
They should give you the site if that happens
Dominate
12-11-2024, 05:51 PM
Maybe yall taking the votes thing to heart when the point is, it'll never be new people. And the fact that people think I'm a dupe of some sort, because I'm new. And of course you think it's a funny joke. And I do not. And I want to be myself, not someone people are side eyeing and distrustful of. I mean in how many magazines will this go on? Or whatever. But it's cool.
I didn’t even mention it once in this mag??
John Dillinger
12-11-2024, 06:06 PM
Crashing out lol
Regulator
12-11-2024, 06:11 PM
don't know if I will shoot myself in the foot but I hehe'd at this.
Title belts in 2025!? lol...this loser thinkin "how can this NOT fail!"
Lil Shrimp is a trophy catch he'd 3D print & hang in glass like a cocktail
I don't know about the rest of the bar but the thought of having a trophy for an AI win is comedy.
fraze
12-12-2024, 12:23 PM
Maybe yall taking the votes thing to heart when the point is, it'll never be new people. And the fact that people think I'm a dupe of some sort, because I'm new. And of course you think it's a funny joke. And I do not. And I want to be myself, not someone people are side eyeing and distrustful of. I mean in how many magazines will this go on? Or whatever. But it's cool.
It's just a meme. Historically, people would re-join the site with a new account whenever they wanted to restart their battle record and start an undefeated run.
Calling you an alias is a sign of respect, saying that your writing is too good to be a beginner to the site. At this point I think it's pretty obvious you're not an alias, so I wouldn't take it too seriously.
The rest is just you being trolled because it prompts your reaction. If you ignore it, it will stop. But if it's bothering you to that extent, hopefully people will grow up a lil and chill on the alias jokes for a bit.
Are you using AI for topic suggestions Dominate?
Dominate
12-13-2024, 03:19 AM
Are you using AI for topic suggestions Dominate?
I’ve used ChatGPT to create all the images I’ve used so far, but with various degrees of prompting. Last week I told it pretty much exactly what to make - eg “create an image of a dog staring intently at something not pictured”. This week I was less prescriptive. “Create a surreal image to serve as a writing prompt”. I generated about 10 of those and picked the two I liked most.
fraze
12-14-2024, 02:47 PM
Have never used ChatGPT for a verse in my life. I'm a much better writer than any A.I.
Not sure why people aren't able to follow my verse, I thought it was a pretty straight forward take, but it was it is. Props to Activate on the win, though I think I might have suffered here for posting second after a fairly lengthy piece. I don't know if people had the attention span to make it through my verse after.
No complaints about the outcome, it's mostly just fun to be writing, but I also think the 32 line limit is important to keep voters engaged with shorter, digestible verses.
Edit: I guess it's hard to follow if you haven't seen the topic picture, but I assume thats a given for a topical battle, so I'm still at a loss.
ACTIVATE SELF
12-14-2024, 03:28 PM
Idk bro, I feel you on the line length, legit gripe. If it results in a DQ, I’m cool with that, but I also feel like it’s kind of a wash since I posted 2 to 3 days before the deadline. The only thing I did was finish where I left off because you requested the extension. But I get your point, the rules are the rules.
In any case, good stuff Fraze. I personally enjoyed your verse. That said, if you or the mods feel like the line limit issue was a grossly unfair advantage, I’ll take the L out of compliance and sportsmanship. No big deal or hard feelings on my part. I’m not suggesting you’re trippin either, bro. I’m just throwing that out there. It’s all love.
fraze
12-14-2024, 03:44 PM
No worries man. I didn't even want to bring it up, b/c I don't think it's worth a DQ. You did post early and if I had more time to write I could have matched. You're also doing kind of a mid-length bar style that's hard to get an exact line count on. My point is more on the what I assumed the goal of these shorter format topicals was.
This is something that is always a problem with topicals b/c long verses are harder to get votes on. NWL is usually closer to a 64 line limit so I assumed it was intentional to keep the tourney moving. Just something to keep in mind next round, I'll be wishing you luck.
I don't have any complaints about the votes btw. Its a close battle either way, I can't complain about people's preferences. I just was hoping for better feedback. I can't really connect much of what was written to the verse I wrote.
ACTIVATE SELF
12-14-2024, 07:28 PM
Word, bro, that’s a solid response. You made a valid point about the length slowing down the speed of the votes, and I completely agree. I figured it might be an issue based on historical data. I usually try to stick to the line limit, but every now and then, I end up doing the opposite. I’ve actually got a long-form breakdown on my computer I was going to PM you, along with a response to the question you posed in the Discussion Forum.
As for your verse, it legit felt like watching an anime or reading a comic book. High energy, action-packed, and full of epic prose and imagery. In my head, it reads super colorful, like this mythological, medieval, or overpowered clash of opponents in a coliseum-style tournament set in some bizarre alternate reality or timeline. I could be way off, but that’s my interpretation of your content.
All in all, I thought it was a really fun and entertaining read.
fraze
12-14-2024, 08:04 PM
Appreciate the feed. We are all the audience for the verses in the league, we're writing for each other at the end of the day. Thanks for actually taking time to read my piece.
PancakeBrah
12-15-2024, 08:57 AM
Yeah going over the line limit and linking to a Part 1 is bush league tbh.
symetrik
12-15-2024, 11:17 AM
yo we still need votes on fraze vs ACTIVATE:
http://www.netcees.org/showthread.php?t=162816
Dominate
12-15-2024, 05:53 PM
Leaving these battles up another day or so for feedback. I’ll get to the other three myself in that time.
So our topicalists can start writing, the topic for the finals will be:
https://i.ibb.co/4PGNcKb/IMG-4533.jpg (https://ibb.co/dGqKSjN)
fraze
12-16-2024, 07:24 AM
Parley Pete was observing the match from the magic carpet in the pic. He was using the event to calibrate his magic compass so he could make flawless picks when gambling in the arena. He's trying to make bread without the loan sharks coming after him.
Gambling addiction is a serious problem, even in other dimensions.
I can concede my match so the next round can start.
PS. I didn't dwell too much on the battle scene because it's supposed to be about the topic pic where the compass was the foreground focal element. I wanted my piece to have the same dynamic as the pic, where while there is all this action going on you're wondering what's up with the compass the whole time (or at least I was). I wanted to explain why the compass was the main character of the pic by also having it be the focal element of my story.
That's my surprise twist at the end. It was never about the the battles or the conflict. It was all just a vehicle for Parley Pete who wanted to conquer the arena in a different way.
I also get it if people couldn't follow all those threads, its hard to fit everything in 32 bars.
ACTIVATE SELF
12-16-2024, 09:37 AM
Dominate symetrik
I was wondering what your thoughts are on moving the due date to Monday. It’s going to be a busy week for me and I won’t be able to even think about writing until Saturday or Sunday. I don’t to turn in a piss poor effort or no show due to scheduling restraints. LMK.
symetrik
12-16-2024, 01:08 PM
Dominate symetrik
I was wondering what your thoughts are on moving the due date to Monday. It’s going to be a busy week for me and I won’t be able to even think about writing until Saturday or Sunday. I don’t to turn in a piss poor effort or no show due to scheduling restraints. LMK.
I'm on board with it - things getting busy with holidays and stuff, that gives us a weekend at least.
Dominate
Dominate
12-16-2024, 03:33 PM
Yeah that’s okay with me. I was debating whether to make Monday anyway actually. I just went with Friday because in the past people have said they don’t want to write on the weekend, and also that gave us a little more time to hopefully get it wrapped up before Christmas. But that’s fine - it’ll probably finish sometime between Christmas and new year. Saint and John Dillinger you guys can have until Monday too.
Dominate
12-19-2024, 04:08 AM
Saint I’m just waiting on your interview for the mag.
Aiming to post it tomorrow night my time - early Friday morning for all of you yankee and pommy folks.
Dominate
12-22-2024, 03:29 PM
How are those verses shaping up fellas?
ACTIVATE SELF
12-22-2024, 05:16 PM
How are those verses shaping up fellas?
I’ve started two stories so far, got halfway through each, and ended up scrapping both. Now I’m onto my third attempt and hoping this one sticks. I have a couple hours to spare, so we’ll see how it goes. But yeah... it’s shaping up, just not sure what it's shaping into, yet.
symetrik
12-22-2024, 05:49 PM
How are those verses shaping up fellas?
working through it, I'll definitely be posting later in the day on Monday but it'll get in on time.
Dominate
12-23-2024, 04:28 AM
John Dillinger Saint how we doing?
Saint
12-23-2024, 10:01 PM
I'm putting it together.
John Dillinger
12-23-2024, 10:08 PM
Ext?
John Dillinger
12-23-2024, 11:47 PM
Or not, I dropped before midnight
John Dillinger
12-24-2024, 12:02 AM
I'm putting it together.
Too late
PancakeBrah
12-27-2024, 01:15 PM
Lot of voting action rn. I'll have a vote up on the topical late today or tomorrow sometime. I hope everyone had a great holiday season tbh.
Saint
12-27-2024, 10:53 PM
Too late
It is what it is, eh. I had a diddy-esque party over Christmas so my mind wasn't on text.
symetrik
12-27-2024, 10:58 PM
It is what it is, eh. I had a diddy-esque party over Christmas so my mind wasn't on text.
diddy-esque is WILD
fraze
12-30-2024, 03:24 PM
It is what it is, eh. I had a diddy-esque party over Christmas so my mind wasn't on text.
Do you need to talk to someone? #believesurvivors.
ACTIVATE SELF
12-30-2024, 04:02 PM
fraze
To clarify, I did not exceed the line limit for three consecutive weeks. In fact, during the first round, it was my opponent who exceeded the limit. No one (save for Dom) raised any objections, and it seemed to have no bearing on the voting. I didn’t mind; I assumed he was inspired and needed to let it out.
In Week 2, I did go over the line limit and even offered to concede the win if requested.
As for Week 3, the line limit was set at 48 lines, which is standard for a championship match. To my understanding—and supported by ample historical evidence, on this site specifically—48 lines equates to roughly 650 words or fewer. My submission is around 540 words. If the standard word count is 12 words per line that's 45 lines, if we go with a max of 15 words per line that's about 36 lines in total. Therefore, the line limit issue here seems more aesthetic than rule-breaking. Look at the length of my lines on a laptop or monitor, most are pretty short. I could have condensed more text into each line to meet the constraint, but the word count and the time it takes to read the piece would remain unchanged.
If we want to be exact about the rules, then sure, I suppose it matters, but it seems like an arbitrary technicality in this case. Ultimately, however, I don’t mind conceding—it doesn’t faze me. For me, this is just a way to pass the time when I have it to spare. I wrote this verse in transit with kids screaming their heads off. lol.
That said, I would humbly recommend implementing both a line and a word limit in future bouts to ensure structural integrity and consistency.
symetrik
12-30-2024, 06:08 PM
fraze
To clarify, I did not exceed the line limit for three consecutive weeks. In fact, during the first round, it was my opponent who exceeded the limit. No one (save for Dom) raised any objections, and it seemed to have no bearing on the voting. I didn’t mind; I assumed he was inspired and needed to let it out.
In Week 2, I did go over the line limit and even offered to concede the win if requested.
As for Week 3, the line limit was set at 48 lines, which is standard for a championship match. To my understanding—and supported by ample historical evidence, on this site specifically—48 lines equates to roughly 650 words or fewer. My submission is around 540 words. If the standard word count is 12 words per line that's 45 lines, if we go with a max of 15 words per line that's about 36 lines in total. Therefore, the line limit issue here seems more aesthetic than rule-breaking. Look at the length of my lines on a laptop or monitor, most are pretty short. I could have condensed more text into each line to meet the constraint, but the word count and the time it takes to read the piece would remain unchanged.
If we want to be exact about the rules, then sure, I suppose it matters, but it seems like an arbitrary technicality in this case. Ultimately, however, I don’t mind conceding—it doesn’t faze me. For me, this is just a way to pass the time when I have it to spare. I wrote this verse in transit with kids screaming their heads off. lol.
That said, I would humbly recommend implementing both a line and a word limit in future bouts to ensure structural integrity and consistency.
I'm in agreement - also breaking down the overall rhyme scheme of my opponents verse, I can't quite make it to 48 lines.
I count by skipping "filler", little tidbits, scene information, the like that holds no real bearing on the piece besides as good setting.
Although this piece is a great example of treading the line (to which there will be contention from voters), I don't particularly see a need to call the line count DQ into play.
As an example, I read:
Max pressed forward, then rewind. The footage slowed, no pandemonium yet,
it was eerily calm. Until Alex deployed the parachute,
and something went wrong. The ripcord jerked violently,
and the canopy ejected, but it didn’t bloom.
as two lines. two incredibly long lines, just formatted to be four visually for the sake of the reader not passing out.
edit: and actually, this is important to me that my opponent isn't DQ'd unless it's obviously out of bounds. if I win this finals, I want it to be won without a DQ (regardless of my ops other circumstances while writing :P)
fraze
12-30-2024, 07:16 PM
fraze
To clarify, I did not exceed the line limit for three consecutive weeks. In fact, during the first round, it was my opponent who exceeded the limit. No one (save for Dom) raised any objections, and it seemed to have no bearing on the voting. I didn’t mind; I assumed he was inspired and needed to let it out.
In Week 2, I did go over the line limit and even offered to concede the win if requested.
As for Week 3, the line limit was set at 48 lines, which is standard for a championship match. To my understanding—and supported by ample historical evidence, on this site specifically—48 lines equates to roughly 650 words or fewer. My submission is around 540 words. If the standard word count is 12 words per line that's 45 lines, if we go with a max of 15 words per line that's about 36 lines in total. Therefore, the line limit issue here seems more aesthetic than rule-breaking. Look at the length of my lines on a laptop or monitor, most are pretty short. I could have condensed more text into each line to meet the constraint, but the word count and the time it takes to read the piece would remain unchanged.
If we want to be exact about the rules, then sure, I suppose it matters, but it seems like an arbitrary technicality in this case. Ultimately, however, I don’t mind conceding—it doesn’t faze me. For me, this is just a way to pass the time when I have it to spare. I wrote this verse in transit with kids screaming their heads off. lol.
That said, I would humbly recommend implementing both a line and a word limit in future bouts to ensure structural integrity and consistency.
My b if I was mistaken about the first round, but it still kind of feels like a slap in the face after I let it slide last week. I will give you a fair vote when I do the breakdowns, but just on principle, it doesn't feel like you're making it an even fight. If you're up against good competition, having a significant disparity in lines is a non-trivial advantage.
Line limit judgments aren't my call so you're not disqualified, that's all up to Dominate. I'm counting the lines as formatted in your verse, while skipping anything that isn't at least a couplet. As the writer, you're the one who determines where the lines start and stop, so if you wanted to format it with fewer than 48 lines you could have. if you need to do special line length calculations to bring yourself under, you're probably already breaking the spirit of the rule. You didn't lose the battle just my vote.
And sorry if this feels vindictive or arbitrary, it certainly is not. I still like you as a writer and I'm sure you'll get more votes from me in the future. But I don't think it's random chance that it's taking so long to get votes on the battle (besides being the holidays). You're asking the league for feedback, which is work. You're making it harder for the battle to close when you go over the limits. The people who want to give good feed don't want to do the extra work and you end up left with just the Robranda votes.
Dominate
12-31-2024, 12:49 AM
Sorry guys I’m away and still will be for another week or so. We cut it a bit too fine to this time of year in hindsight.
If sym wants AS’s verse to stand then that’s that. No DQ. Open for votes. The other one open for feed I guess?
symetrik
01-02-2025, 12:42 PM
Holidays wrapping up so I'm GOING to pull a lars next week and tag everyone that ever lived.
Regulator
01-02-2025, 04:40 PM
maybe we can run this back sense there was some people that signed up after this is over, I just like writing.
symetrik
01-08-2025, 06:26 PM
https://i.imgflip.com/9g2hgg.jpg
symetrik
01-12-2025, 04:20 PM
PancakeBrah - thank you for super detailed feedback for both writers + keeping things moving, much appreciated!
errybody else,
STILL NEED MORE VOTES ON FINALS!
John Dillinger
01-12-2025, 07:11 PM
Saint got the dub
Good shit g
I’ll try and vote on the topical but I’m not much of a topical-er
ACTIVATE SELF
01-13-2025, 03:08 PM
PancakeBrah - thank you for super detailed feedback for both writers + keeping things moving, much appreciated!
errybody else,
STILL NEED MORE VOTES ON FINALS!
I’m with you on this. Appreciate the thorough vote, PCB. Fraze, if you’ve got time to tweak yours, that’d be awesome, but no stress if not.
Honestly, I think the holidays kicked everyone’s ass, so it’s no surprise things have been slow. We’re all old now with real responsibilities and bills to pay. But yeah, if we could wrap this up soon, that’d be cool.
ACTIVATE SELF
02-02-2025, 03:30 PM
Not sure what happened to Dominate, but I’m hoping it's nothing serious. I imagine life is just happening—hopefully for the better. I don’t think tourneys usually take this long to wrap up, but since I don’t compete much, I’m guessing this isn’t the usual pace. Anyway, maybe Lars (@sral or Diablo) can go ahead and close this out and archive it, as it doesn’t look like any more votes are coming in for either battle.
Congrats to symetrik on winning the topical championship—well deserved! Every verse you dropped was memorable. Big props.
symetrik
02-02-2025, 05:59 PM
Not sure what happened to Dominate, but I’m hoping it's nothing serious. I imagine life is just happening—hopefully for the better. I don’t think tourneys usually take this long to wrap up, but since I don’t compete much, I’m guessing this isn’t the usual pace. Anyway, maybe Lars (@sral or Diablo) can go ahead and close this out and archive it, as it doesn’t look like any more votes are coming in for either battle.
Congrats to symetrik on winning the topical championship—well deserved! Every verse you dropped was memorable. Big props.
appreciate you - especially for taking the time to break it down, I'll make time to do the same soon.
I tried my best to get people voting -.- this pace is not normal (although finals do lag more than any other moment in a tournament), it's just one of those things I guess.
I will take your concession honourably :P
ACTIVATE SELF
02-02-2025, 06:33 PM
Yeah, man, you had that in the bag anyway—no point in delaying the inevitable. I genuinely enjoyed your metaphorical approach more than my plot-driven narrative. Funny thing is, my original idea was going to be somewhat similar—not in storyline, but in how I tackled the topic. Still, I think we were neck and neck for the first three quarters, but you pulled away in the clutch. That ending was dope. The technique was crazy too—scheme, flow, pacing… all that.
Looking forward to the rematch lol
Dominate
02-16-2025, 06:44 AM
Thanks for your concern fellas. I’m fine. Good, even. I just very seriously underestimated the effect the Christmas/summer holidays would have on my motivation to do anything remotely work-like. My apologies to Activate and Symetrik, and John and Saint to a lesser extent.
John Dillinger
02-16-2025, 06:23 PM
I won against an AI verse and someone who’s never text battled before
Saint can take the dub on this
Nice to be a part of the last ever text forum champ match atleast
John Dillinger
02-16-2025, 06:49 PM
To be fair I did ask her if she wanted to collaborate on a OM verse
Got ignored and had to drop some bars on her
My b Etherwave
Etherwave
03-03-2025, 07:19 PM
Lmao
John Dillinger
03-06-2025, 02:11 AM
Lmao
Dont laugh your whole ass off now
I bet that shit fat and grips nice
Etherwave
03-06-2025, 04:16 PM
Wooooow
Cereal
03-06-2025, 04:39 PM
ether still around hey girl
John Dillinger
03-06-2025, 07:59 PM
Damn I must’ve been more drunk than I thought lol I don’t remember typing that
Dam I thought this place gone for good. Glad it's back on
PancakeBrah
04-04-2025, 03:50 PM
Dam I thought this place gone for good. Glad it's back on
It's stronger than it's ever been.
It's stronger than it's ever been.
Lol right.
sral Dominate
What's good
Dominate
06-01-2025, 05:23 PM
Hi Inno.
I’ve zero interest in running anything currently if that’s what you were asking about.
Master Rock
06-06-2025, 12:16 PM
Yo
Lol right.
sral Dominate
What's good
Demod you?
emcee squared
06-10-2025, 10:51 PM
It's stronger than it's ever been.
Very funny. This must be the low point. And that's saying something.
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