ITT: Why God exists

[Masaii]

Debate ITT.

[veritas]

I will start and end this thread homey.


we are given two choices as to how we exist.

1. god made us
2. we evolved.


I say that God exists because we are here. I say that because evolution is the easiest thing in the world to disprove.

carry on.

[namix]

Because life is a fractal relationship between infinite micro and macrocosms; as above, so below; the good and bad we see in others is also in ourselves, and that inter-connectivity is also a reflection of what is more and what is less.

And that inter-connectivity manifests onward and upward, inward and outward, at an exponential rate and fractal shape.

The fractal is all encompassing, "we were created in His image" - and thus, we create in our image. Whether through genetics - or whether through innovative feats of exceeding our own brain processing power and storage.

Neither good nor bad - He is wholly holy and holy wholly; perceiving ourselves finite pieces and not perceiving the infinite puzzle we are apart of.

The yin and the yang of infinite and finite create the infinite decimals between 0 and 1 --- the gray area between "yes" and "no" -- which enables us to experience... it sets the stage for polarity --- and relativity, both scientifically and emotionally.

...it also sets the stage for making us perceive ourselves as 'separate bodies' from the greater body.

Alas, the inter-connectivity of all things across infinite microcosms, macrocosms, and ALL TIME echoes the same truth time and time again -- that we deafen our ears to because of our fear of "death" and the NEED to hang on to our puzzle piece... the need to validate our ego.

We are parts; we are connected; He is whole; We are one. Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

[PancakeBrah]

Oh, a God debate.

Groundbreaking, Masaii.

[Diode]

Oh, a God debate.

Groundbreaking, Masaii.

you forgot the picture. it would have been perfect between your first sentence and your last sentence.

opportunity missed.

[PancakeBrah]

:(

[oats]

Oats da gawd, proof He exists, no need for a why.

/thread

[Meth]

Over/under on replies for this?

Over/under on religious butt hurt totals?

[Ghost1]

Each day i contemplate never logging in again.....

Threads like these are very helpful....

[Nahhh]

What if god was a midget? I woudn't respect him.

[TYSON]

Because life is a fractal relationship between infinite micro and macrocosms; as above, so below; the good and bad we see in others is also in ourselves, and that inter-connectivity is also a reflection of what is more and what is less.

And that inter-connectivity manifests onward and upward, inward and outward, at an exponential rate and fractal shape.

The fractal is all encompassing, "we were created in His image" - and thus, we create in our image. Whether through genetics - or whether through innovative feats of exceeding our own brain processing power and storage.

Neither good nor bad - He is wholly holy and holy wholly; perceiving ourselves finite pieces and not perceiving the infinite puzzle we are apart of.

The yin and the yang of infinite and finite create the infinite decimals between 0 and 1 --- the gray area between "yes" and "no" -- which enables us to experience... it sets the stage for polarity --- and relativity, both scientifically and emotionally.

...it also sets the stage for making us perceive ourselves as 'separate bodies' from the greater body.

Alas, the inter-connectivity of all things across infinite microcosms, macrocosms, and ALL TIME echoes the same truth time and time again -- that we deafen our ears to because of our fear of "death" and the NEED to hang on to our puzzle piece... the need to validate our ego.

We are parts; we are connected; He is whole; We are one. Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

Wisdom

[uh-oh]

VERITAS I'LL BITE

DISPROVE EVOLUTION

[Dope girl]

If you don't how exist then focus on bible.

[Tom Sparks]

God only exists in your mind

[Destroyer]

I think there may be a god but certainly man has no idea how to properly conceive him.
no religion has any handle on what god is nor will anyone ever have any true grasp on it, regardless what anyone may write down or tell you.
man can barely write down news correctly that happened last Tuesday so there's no reason to believe there is some incorruptible holy text that has somehow been passed down over thousands of years
god is a mystery that man invented because it's an answer to the great unknown that man has always faced.
and it will always remain a mystery.

[Masaii]

LOL at any of the supposed 'top tier' boarders taking this serious.

A race thread backed by a religion thread in the same day, both get bites.

Cake is a moron.

[Frank Metts]

God exists because as people we need faith in something and because alot of people are to frail to believe in themselves they live vicariously through a deity so we can have someone to blame for the bad and thank for the good, since we are to weak and fragile to blame ourselves for wrong

Life is easier when you believe their is a divine plan for everyone and everything.

[Plot]

I think it was Plato who came up with metaphysics.
A chair in reality is imperfect, it has a flaw somewhere and will eventually break.
The idea of a chair is perfect in that it will never break,
it has one flaw though that it isn't real.
God is perfect, therefore he cannot be real.
Or something like that.

[Mael]

Does omnipotence exist?

Yes, it does; as a word that has a meaning you can easily find in a dictionary. Although it has no physical implication, and is logically incoherent, it holds semantic value. God is merely that which means a being with attributes that include omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence (and possibly omnibenevolence).

Whether he exists of not is irrelevant. The word God and it's meaning will haunt language and semantics till the end of time.

That's why oats was able to say what he said.

[Split]

Im the same, as I was when I was six years old, and oh my God i feel so damn old but I dont reallly feel anything

[veritas]

VERITAS I'LL BITE

DISPROVE EVOLUTION



Ok easy..

Where did you come from?

[Tom Sparks]

God exists because as people we need faith in something and because alot of people are to frail to believe in themselves they live vicariously through a deity so we can have someone to blame for the bad and thank for the good, since we are to weak and fragile to blame ourselves for wrong

Life is easier when you believe their is a divine plan for everyone and everything.

This

[ribbit]

Not the first time frank has had trouble explaining himself

[Frank Metts]

Not the first time frank has had trouble explaining himself

The fuck is that suppose to mean ?

[ribbit]

It means ur on a path u just haven't struck gold yet

[Zen]

I hate it when serious topics are made just to troll. Why not just have a serious discussion? Like evolution and religion for example. If you believe in God, then isn't it possible God created evolution, quantum mechanics, etc? Science doesn't disprove religion I think. I suppose I'm just way too open minded.

[Witty]

Edit: Clicked on the wrong thread lol

I can't believe religion trolls still work btw.

[veritas]

I will seriously debate anyone on evolution. Real talk.

[Frank Metts]

It means ur on a path u just haven't struck gold yet

The path I walk is paved in gold my friend

[uh-oh]

i came from my fathers dick. grew in my mothers womb. was birthed in a hospital in phoenix

[Masaii]

@veritas

Do you mean how are you born in the physical sense or spiritual?

Im interested in this...

[Witty]

I think it was Plato who came up with metaphysics.
A chair in reality is imperfect, it has a flaw somewhere and will eventually break.
The idea of a chair is perfect in that it will never break,
it has one flaw though that it isn't real.
God is perfect, therefore he cannot be real.
Or something like that.

Unless we only think he is perfect, like we would the chair.

[namix]

i think it's funny this is considered a troll

all i did was leave it with more introspect in retrospect



ANTI-TROLLED.

[ribbit]

The path I walk is paved in gold my friend

Like human intervention every time u look at my watch it glares u roll in chryslers frank I'd fuck u up if u crossed my path seriously u may pave ya path in gold but afterwards there wouldn't be a trace intact left

[Malachi]

Doesn't anybody think how we can go from a liquid from our dad then grow into these intelligent animals

Is
Amazing

[Witty]

Doesn't anybody think how we can go from a liquid from our dad then grow into these intelligent animals

Is
Amazing

Yeah, I don't know for sure if God exists or not, nobody does, but I do know that human existence will be equally amazing with or without a God to explain it.

I think people don't focus enough on how incredible it is that we are even here in the first place, regardless of how or why.

[veritas]

@veritas

Do you mean how are you born in the physical sense or spiritual?

Im interested in this...

Strictly physical for now.


How did you get here?

[Malachi]

Are there people who believe in the Big Bang theory ?
Lol

[DLB]

<------- doesnt believe in "God"

[veritas]

i came from my fathers dick. grew in my mothers womb. was birthed in a hospital in phoenix

Where did your dad come from?

[Witty]

Are there people who believe in the Big Bang theory ?
Lol

Yes, millions.

It's a sound theory but for the singularity.

I would say it is the most convincing explanation though, but it in no way proves or even indicates that God doesn't exist,

[uh-oh]

Where did your dad come from?

he came from his fathers dick. grew in his mothers womb. was born in redbank new jersey

[ribbit]

This conversation couldn't be more educational

[uh-oh]

lmao nailed it^

but word all of you shut up. veritas is gonna ask my entire family history and im going to give it to him all the way back to ungapunga the large the first apeman to say the word fuck

[veritas]

lmao nailed it^

but word all of you shut up. veritas is gonna ask my entire family history and im going to give it to him all the way back to ungapunga the large the first apeman to say the word fuck


Ok we will speed it up then...where did man come from?

[uh-oh]

elaborate

because my answer is EARTH, yet i don't think thats what you want me to say.

you want me to say that a chimpanzee gave birth to a human. which never happened.

[uh-oh]

but to humor you

a species of apes, over thousands and hundreds of thousands of years, slowly evolved into homo sapiens, which is what we are. some of you are more homo than sapien tho HEYO

[veritas]

Where did that species of ape come from?

[Destroyer]

at some point a non-ape gave birth to an ape
that's how evolution works VERITAS
I fail to see how you think you are disproving it

[veritas]

at some point a non-ape gave birth to an ape
that's how evolution works VERITAS
I fail to see how you think you are disproving it



Have patience jude.


Where did the non ape come from? What made it?

[veritas]

at some point a non-ape gave birth to an ape
that's how evolution works VERITAS
I fail to see how you think you are disproving it


Also side point.....at what point did monkeys stop giving birth to humans?

[Destroyer]

VERITAS,

why do bad things happen to good people?
is god indifferent or not fully omniscient?

[Witty]

Why is aids?

[uh-oh]

Also side point.....at what point did monkeys stop giving birth to humans?

monkeys never gave birth to humans. apes never gave birth to humans.

the mammals that came before monkeys and apes, never gave birth to monkeys and apes

you don't understand evolution

[Witty]

I think it was when Jesus came and said to stop it @Veritas

[Geno]

Were all gods.

-god.

[Witty]

I'm not.

[veritas]

monkeys never gave birth to humans. apes never gave birth to humans.

the mammals that came before monkeys and apes, never gave birth to monkeys and apes

you don't understand evolution

I do....better than you.

Where did the apes come from?

[veritas]

Also side point.....at what point did monkeys stop giving birth to humans?

[Zen]

V have you seen the soviet unions experiments that turned wild foxes into domesticated dogs? They used Darwin's natural selection theory and applied it in a lab. They bred the violent foxes together creating extremely violent offspring. At the same time they bred the calmer foxes with each other and within three generations (roughly ten years) the foxes began to not even look like foxes. Instead of a fluffy tail they had tails like dogs, were more docile and not fearful of human contact basically turning foxes into dogs. It's very interesting shit if you haven't checked it out before I'd recommend you to check it out.

[Witty]

Cuz the human babies were making the monkey babies look stupid and the monkeys got jealous and they said no more human babies.

And that was the end of that.

But luckily Jesus came in and did magic with his hands and now humans rule and monkeys throw poop at each other because god made humans in his image and by refusing to give birth to humans it made god think monkeys thought he was ugly and he got really insecure, and he told his son to fuck em up and amen.

[veritas]

V have you seen the soviet unions experiments that turned wild foxes into domesticated dogs? They used Darwin's natural selection theory and applied it in a lab. They bred the violent foxes together creating extremely violent offspring. At the same time they bred the calmer foxes with each other and within three generations (roughly ten years) the foxes began to not even look like foxes. Instead of a fluffy tail they had tails like dogs, were more docile and not fearful of human contact basically turning foxes into dogs. It's very interesting shit if you haven't checked it out before I'd recommend you to check it out.

Sounds like animal eugenics...they did that with humans too!

[Destroyer]

v, u got an answer for my last question?

[veritas]

After people have patience with me and answer my line of quesrioning sure.

[Destroyer]

mmmm hmmm so no
figured

[uh-oh]

I do....better than you.

Where did the apes come from?

they evolved from the mammals that came before them. i couldnt tell you the specific species, as apes evolved on different continents from different types of mammals etc

and monkeys never gave birth to humans. humans give birth to humans. monkeys give birth to monkeys

[Witty]

I seen a really hairy baby on tv today, it was indian and all of its family was hairy too.

[veritas]

they evolved from the mammals that came before them. i couldnt tell you the specific species, as apes evolved on different continents from different types of mammals etc

and monkeys never gave birth to humans. humans give birth to humans. monkeys give birth to monkeys

Ok what did those mammals evolve from?

[Destroyer]

answer the real question VERITAS

is god indifferent to bad things happening to good people?
or is he not fully omniscient?

[Seyance]

if you believe in god, do you believe in the bible version? let's talk dinosaurs.

[veritas]

answer the real question VERITAS

is god indifferent to bad things happening to good people?
or is he not fully omniscient?

I will be happy to answer all questions once mine are answered jude.

[veritas]

if you believe in god, do you believe in the bible version? let's talk dinosaurs.

Go head and talk I am listening.

[oats]

answer the real question VERITAS

is god indifferent to bad things happening to good people?
or is he not fully omniscient?

this is a loaded question, and not helping your case tbh. theologically speaking, at least from the judeo-christian line of thinking, having free will necessitates suffering/sin. also, the premise would be contested, since biblically, all are born as flawed creatures, meaning no one is "good" in that sense. that's just a moral compass that humans use to differentiate between shitty people and shittier people. again, this is speaking from a theological standpoint to address your question.

my problem with that line of thought, and veritas I'd like to hear your thoughts on this, is whether or not christians believe free will exists in heaven. If yes, then clearly free will does not necessitate sin, and all of human existence seems pretty pointless, unless God planned on/wanted people to go to hell, which is incompatible with the christian view of God.

Or there is no free will in heaven, which begs the question - why have it on Earth then? It's taught that free will is the ultimate sign of love from the omnipotent creator, but if his cradle of perfection (heaven) doesn't include it, then it doesn't sound like free will is all that great of a gift from God.

either way, God doesn't come out looking good.

[uh-oh]

Ok what did those mammals evolve from?

those mammals evolved from some ancient reptiles.

those ancient reptiles evolved from some ancient amphibians

those ancient amphibians evolved from some form of fish things

those ancient fish things evolved from bacteria/animacules

your next question, where did that come from?

my answer? no one knows. im not ignorant enough to say a "god" is needed to spark life and call it fact.

there isnt any evidence. the same way there isnt evidence that it was panspermia, or there isnt evidence that somehow in the goldilocks zone bacterias just mystically appear

no one knows. but none of that disproves evolution

because evolution occurs and is traceable across time

im also not ignorant enough to cite selective breeding as evolution, because its not. its selective breeding. but it does showcase the same principles which is why i think people try to use it as an argument.

because you can breed out genes and shit

[Destroyer]

well, looking at the concept of free will then
how can there be free will if god already knows what will happen?
or better yet, what's the purpose of this life as a test to determine whether you go to heaven or not if god already knows what you're going to do?
why not just begin in heaven or hell or wherever you'd end up?

[oats]

Destroyer that's basically what I was saying lol. I've yet to hear a satisfactory answer to that question; if God created everything, why did he do it?

[Malachi]

word

[veritas]

no one knows

I rest my case. Evolution can not explain how all this came about.

We were given two options to believe god made us or we evolved from essentially nothing.



I am rolling with God made us.

[Destroyer]

yay! you ended that line of conversation
now answer me and oats

[veritas]

Restate your question in the final form you wish me to answer.

[Darth Yoda]

hoo cares

[oats]

Restate your question in the final form you wish me to answer.

Couple of questions:

What is the purpose of free will?

Is there free will in heaven?

Why did god create humans?

[Dominate]

Just to be clear, @Veritas

You are arguing that because the theory of evolution does not explain how the simplest forms of life first came about, the entire theory is debunked?

[Destroyer]

yes, fossil evidence was planted by demons
get with it dom!

[veritas]

1. This has already happened. Once you understand that the deterministic vs free will thing is easily understood. I.e. you can do whatver you choose but god already knows the end of your choice. The whole purpose of free will is to choose to give it away for Gods will. Too soon?

2. I do not know.

3. To glorify Him.

[Destroyer]

poor V, intellectual in every other arena...

[veritas]

Just to be clear, @Veritas

You are arguing that because the theory of evolution does not explain how the simplest forms of life first came about, the entire theory is debunked?


It is so simple it is profound:

We are given two choices of what to believe caused us to be here.

1. God made us us
2. We evolved into us

Any intelligent person can realize that choice 2 is nonsense. All I have to do is keep asking *where did that come from?* and sooner or later *I dont know* is that amswer.

So instead of having faith in evolution I will have it in God.

Easy.

/thread

[Dominate]

nvm. from your first post its clear that's your line of thought.

I will start and end this thread homey.


we are given two choices as to how we exist.

1. god made us
2. we evolved.


I say that God exists because we are here. I say that because evolution is the easiest thing in the world to disprove.

carry on.


Or 3. God made the universe and all the physical laws that govern it. Evolution happened as a consequence.

Why not^ ?


Also, the theory of evolution doesn't concern itself with how life initially came about, only with how life evolved from one form to another. Even if we accept your premise that god created life, this does not disprove evolution.

[veritas]

poor V, intellectual in every other arena...


Why?

[veritas]

nvm. from your first post its clear that's your line of thought.




Or 3. God made the universe and all the physical laws that govern it. Evolution happened as a consequence.

Why not^ ?


Also, the theory of evolution doesn't concern itself with how life initially came about, only with how life evolved from one form to another. Even if we accept your premise that god created life, this does not disprove evolution.


Lol the thread is prove God. I proved God through disproving evolution without god os possible....keep up.

[Dominate]

You didnt.

but Why do you think the existance of god and evolution are mutually exclusive?

[Dominate]

Wait, I'm going to rephrase the question

[veritas]

I dont. Others do. I also do not belive in evolution...but I am humoring its existence to show it is not mutually exclusive.


Proving that you will either have faith in god or evolution. I choose god.


Now....evolution is stupid. And mathematically impossible.

I do believe animals adapt over time...but for a fish to eventually become a bird is nonsense.

[Dominate]

First, your conception of evolution is flawed. evolution is not an antithesis to god. The existence of god and the existence of evolution are compatible. Proving evolution does not disprove the existance of god and proving the existence of god does not disprove evolution.

But the crux of tour argument is that because science can't explain the origin of life, god must exist.

I don't see the logic behind that. Science finds new knowledge every day. We don't know the origin of life YET, and we may become extinct before we become able to explain it.

Regardless, a lack of proof for one theory does not prove another. That's just not how logic works. Where two theories are mutually exclusive, actually disproving one does prove the other. But a lack of proof is far from a disproof.

[DLB]

v/dom

[veritas]

First, your conception of evolution is flawed. evolution is not an antithesis to god. The existence of god and the existence of evolution are compatible. Proving evolution does not disprove the existance of god and proving the existence of god does not disprove evolution.

But the crux of tour argument is that because science can't explain the origin of life, god must exist.

I don't see the logic behind that. Science finds new knowledge every day. We don't know the origin of life YET, and we may become extinct before we become able to explain it.

Regardless, a lack of proof for one theory does not prove another. That's just not how logic works. Where two theories are mutually exclusive, actually disproving one does prove the other. But a lack of proof is far from a disproof.


Thank you for proving my point. You may see it in time.

Now...let me disprove evolution:

Why have we never seen anything evolve?

[veritas]

I dont. Others do. I also do not belive in evolution...but I am humoring its existence to show it is not mutually exclusive.


Proving that you will either have faith in god or evolution. I choose god.


Now....evolution is stupid. And mathematically impossible.

I do believe animals adapt over time...but for a fish to eventually become a bird is nonsense.

[Plot]

Because its a gradual process that takes years, decades even.
Do you know what man made selective breeding is?
Do you think the dairy cow you get your milk from existed in the wild?
It was selectively breeded by man thousands of years ago from Aurochs.
Do you think a sausage dog existed in the wild? It was selectively
breeded by man from other breeds of dogs which if you follow the chain
back came from wolves. There wasn't a point where a wolf gave birth
to a fucking sausage dog.

[Plot]

Do you think trees are alive?

[Mael]

this is a loaded question, and not helping your case tbh. theologically speaking, at least from the judeo-christian line of thinking, having free will necessitates suffering/sin. also, the premise would be contested, since biblically, all are born as flawed creatures, meaning no one is "good" in that sense. that's just a moral compass that humans use to differentiate between shitty people and shittier people. again, this is speaking from a theological standpoint to address your question.

my problem with that line of thought, and veritas I'd like to hear your thoughts on this, is whether or not christians believe free will exists in heaven. If yes, then clearly free will does not necessitate sin, and all of human existence seems pretty pointless, unless God planned on/wanted people to go to hell, which is incompatible with the christian view of God.

Or there is no free will in heaven, which begs the question - why have it on Earth then? It's taught that free will is the ultimate sign of love from the omnipotent creator, but if his cradle of perfection (heaven) doesn't include it, then it doesn't sound like free will is all that great of a gift from God.

either way, God doesn't come out looking good.

Bare with me.

1) Yes, there is free will in Heaven. Lucifer was a prime example of this. Without free will he wouldn't have had the ability to choose rebellion and an attempt to stage a coup, in which he failed miserably and was given an ultimatum along with 1/3rd of the angels he convinced to follow him. That resulted in all of them being the first inmates in their state's jail, we know as hell.

2) There's a debate among theologians whether God specifically created people to go to hell, and it's based on this scripture;

"The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil."
- Proverbs 16:4

3) One of the greatest misconceptions of all time concerning Christianity and biblical ideology is the idea that heaven is the final destination. This is simply not true. I believe it was the theolegian Dr. Myles Munroe who said; "God created angels to sing. I wouldn't want to hear you sing either", and even went on to say "God doesn't even want you in heaven, that's why he's going to start it all over again with a new earth."

"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea."
- Revelation 21:1

oats, remember Hume's Problem of induction? Consider that we are assuming pleasure/good is the inherent (default) state. This is an assumption. In other words, evil ought have equal prevalence.

[Meth]

Veritas is making legitimate arguments, far better than anything I've heard IRL.

You are a good man for it.

Still, I don't believe in a God.

[Masaii]

Veritas is making legitimate arguments, far better than anything I've heard IRL.

You are a good man for it.

Still, I don't believe in a God.

Gingers dont have souls so God doesn't care tbh.

[veritas]

thanks meth, you have become a proverb now interestingly....I will explain if you feel like hearing it.

[Frank Metts]

Like human intervention every time u look at my watch it glares u roll in chryslers frank I'd fuck u up if u crossed my path seriously u may pave ya path in gold but afterwards there wouldn't be a trace intact left

Can someone translate this into English for me?

[uh-oh]

itt veritas fails to disprove evolution, and thinks the ideas are exclusive

[veritas]

Dude....I proved that no one can prove that God and evolution are mutually exclusive, thusly proving that for all the people who say god is not real/did not create us....have no basis but their faith in the idea.

To be blind to this means you are willfully blind or have an agenda or both.

Keep up James.

[uh-oh]

Dude....I proved that no one can prove that God and evolution are mutually exclusive, thusly proving that for all the people who say god is not real/did not create us....have no basis but their faith in the idea.

To be blind to this means you are willfully blind or have an agenda or both.

Keep up James.

i never said god and evolution have to be mutually exclusive. you said you could disprove evolution. you didnt.

[Split]

V, I guess that is true for those who believe that evolution is the only disproof of God.

Not to mention we see animals evolve and mutate all the time. We've been doing it since the dawn of civilization i.e animal husbandry.

I see that you are trying to show that the idiocy of blind faith is not a solely religious tendency... But the inability of people to argue their arguments is inconclusive, especially when it's something so widely conceptualized as God vs. Science


If there is a God, what function does he serve?

[veritas]

the first part was getting people to change their whole viewpoint of "god did not make us, we evolved". you already know a lot of people say that. I am glad that we can agree that God could have possibly created evolution.

I am slowly breaking down your stance James. next step:


(before I begin, I want to say that I believe that animals adapt. I also believe that evolution occurs, such as you have evolved mentally from your teenage years. this is dealing with DARWINIAN evolution, in that man came from monkey, came from bird, came from fish, came from amoeba etc.)

DISPROVING EVOLUTION BY ASKING SIMPLE QUESTIONS:

1. WHAT ARE THE STATISTICAL PROBABILITIES OF SOMETHING BEING IMPOSSIBLE? 1 X 10 TO THE WHAT POWER? AFTER YOU FIGURE THIS OUT...BE AMAZED AT THE PROBABILITIES OF THE CHANCES OF THE FIRST LIVING CELL JUST HAPPENING BY CHANCE. IF SOMETHING IS MATHEMATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE, HOW CAN IT HAPPEN?

2. HAS THERE EVER BEEN ANY RECORDED EVIDENCE/PROOF OF AN ANIMAL EVOLVING INTO AN ENTIRELY NEW CREATURE?

3. MODERN GENETICISTS HAVE PROVEN THAT THERE ARE ABSOLUTELY NO FISH GENES IN A BIRD AND VICE VERSA...HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE>?

4. AT WHAT POINT TO ANIMALS STOP EVOLVING? HOW COME FISH JUST STAY FISH NOW? HOW COME BIRDS STAY BIRDS?

5. IS THIS EVOLUTION MAGIC SPONTANEOUS? IS IT FISH SWIMMING THEN "POOF" THE FISH IS A BIRD AND IT HAPPENS SO QUICK THAT WE DON'T EVEN SEE IT, AND ISNT THAT A MIRACLE AND PROOF OF GOD LOLZ?

6. WHAT OF THE ANIMALS THAT HAD TO EXIST EXACTLY AS THEY ARE OR ELSE THEY WOULD NOT EXIST? MEANING THAT THE TIME IT TOOK FOR THEM TO EVOLVE INTO THEIR NEW FORM WOULD HAVE KILLED THEM? CONSIDER THE GIRAFFE.

[veritas]

THIS ALL GOES BACK TO THE FACT THAT NO ONE CAN SAY FOR SURE HOW THIS ALL STARTED. NO ONE HAS EVER SEEN ANY PROOF OF EVOLUTION "IT IS A THEORY"


HAVE FAITH IN EVOLUTION OR HAVE FAITH IN GOD. I CHOOSE GOD.

CARRY ON.

[Masaii]

4. AT WHAT POINT TO ANIMALS STOP EVOLVING? HOW COME FISH JUST STAY FISH NOW? HOW COME BIRDS STAY BIRDS?

the argument for this point is that at this current moment in time they do not need to evolve due to them living just fine as is. Something doesn't evolve if there is no need and it fits in fine with its current environment. But in saying this wouldnt an animal go extinct before it evolved?

THIS ALL GOES BACK TO THE FACT THAT NO ONE CAN SAY FOR SURE HOW THIS ALL STARTED. NO ONE HAS EVER SEEN ANY PROOF OF EVOLUTION "IT IS A THEORY"


HAVE FAITH IN EVOLUTION OR HAVE FAITH IN GOD. I CHOOSE GOD.

CARRY ON.
I concur.

[Split]

Loling at anyone believing in adaptation but not evolution

How does adaptation occur, Veritas

[uh-oh]

you don't have to have faith in either

you can look at both objectively and not take a stance

evolution makes sense to me

god doesnt. that doesnt mean i discount the possibility of god in favor of evolution.

and things stop evolving when they have no need to. think of a shark, or an alligator. they've been the same for a long time because nothing is forcing them to change. they are perfectly suited to the enviornments and lives they live

and you are thinking evolution is like pokemon

it doesnt happen instantly, it takes thousands of years. if you look at the same creature, and fossils of it in intervals you can see the slow change over thousands of generations

one animal just doesnt wake up completely different one day

apes just didnt give birth to a human. they slowly evolved to where we are now

gorillas didnt become super advanced because they have no need to in there enviornment. they are perfectly suited for it. the same with chimps and other monkeys

there is no need for them to evolve, unless you count humans

but we are still so new to them there is no way they could evolve fast enough to combat us

so they will all die off. unless we just leave them alone

[Witty]

uh-oh

What change necessitated walking on back legs?

I'm still none the wiser as to why that happened.

[Destroyer]

VERITAS dumb as fuck
evolution's validity does nothing to prove or disprove god's existence

[Plot]

I wonder if God evolved from the God-Ape.
I think I might start believing in the God-Ape.

[uh-oh]

uh-oh

What change necessitated walking on back legs?

I'm still none the wiser as to why that happened.

there are a few reasons thrown about. one being that it uses less energy. humans evolved in the plains of the savannah, where chimps and gorillas are forest/jungle dwellers, its advantageous for them to move about on all fours simply because of the terrain itself, try and trip something walking on four legs for example lol.

this is all theory though. but yea another factor bounced around is the fact that you can see farther standing on two legs, and in the plains of the savanah this is very advantageous if theres a saber tooth or a lion or something you can be alerted faster. like think of meerkats and shit. so being constantly on the lookout, combined with less energy being used (which is debateable, they studied it on chimps but it was even. some used more, some used less, which also can be used to prove the selectiveness of evolution in general, those who used less energy on 2 legs could be more likely to breed and pass on the trait)

but yea from spotting predators, to energy use basically is what i buy into the most. other theories were we learned to use tools so we needed to free up our hands.

i personally believe its the opposite, us having free hands led to us making tools and etc, not the other way around.

but word from there we supposedly lost our fur and were able to sweat to keep ourselves cool in the plains

i just buy into the energy saving thing because to this day there are men who RUN ANIMALS TO DEATH

so us having the endurance and the ability to see farther, led us to not only detect threats, but keep shit we're after on the horizon, chasing down dumbass deers and shit that get tired and die before we do


but yea it was basically an energy and lookout thing

you'll find a billion explanations online tho because no one knows for sure

[veritas]

Adaptation vs evolution is easy.

Nothing changes its genetic code into the code of another entire animal.


Uhoh....you have never seen god nor anything evolve....why out faith in evo and not god


Also dead at things no longer need to evolve! Rofklflskdkdkdken. What decides that? Please elaborate mwjaahahahahaabababahamwhaah

[veritas]

VERITAS dumb as fuck
evolution's validity does nothing to prove or disprove god's existence

Dude for the third time I was only saying that most people think like that and showing them that both take an act of faith.

[veritas]

I see no one has googled the math of probability limits either...lol

[Destroyer]

VERITAS, why is it so hard for you to grasp the idea that perhaps the idea of evolution is man's meager understanding of some bigger plan that god put into effect when he snapped his fingers and everything came to be?
why couldn't this all-knowing creator, simply cause the initial spark that everything else grew from? that the Big Bang theory, and study of the universe and evolution and biology are man's attempts to understand the plan enacted by the creator at the beginning of everything? Why can you believe that we all sit around and breathe oxygen and that's plausible, but the idea of a living thing adapting to the environment around it over time and actually changing as a result is so far-fetched? Why is making that happen outside the scope of your idea of an all powerful god?

[Frank Metts]

Who's to say god didn't make the single cell organism that could have evolved into anything ?

If you don't believe in evolution look at this stuff ... Wisdom teeth, appendix, tailbone and theirs a muscle by your ear that was once used to move it like an animal to hear better but now it's not functional... Some much other stuff as well these are just easy to point out.

Wisdom teeth are third molars and were once used when mouths were bigger and their function was breaking down plants, you have fangs as well that were used to rip meat before knives ... How many use their vampire teeth now? Most people have wisdom teeth removed now because their mouth are too small to house them... It wasn't always that way.

Appendix.. It part of your digestive system but what's it for? No one really knows but it can burst and cause you to become deathly... Their was a study claiming they were bigger on early man but I think that was debunked.. It looks like an overflow valve or a storage compartment IMO

Tail bone... We actually still have a tail in utero but it dies off usually by the time the women realizes she's pregnant ... Why would humans of had a tail? Balance, before homo erectus it gets a little blurry but I can bet at one point their were knuckle draggers with tail roaming earth

[veritas]

Because I or anyone else has ever witnessed it. I will put my faith in God making me in his image rather than my faith that I came from a monkey.

Evolution is also impossible based upon sciences accepted limits of possibility.

The question is why would you put your faith in evolution and not God?

[DLB]

ive always wondered of heaven and hell.. can someone explain why ppl think they can declare someone's entrance to hell or say they're going to heaven but every human does good and bad shit with good and bad intentions?

like ppl who rape, most were raped themselves. most ppl will say they're going to hell but what if then those ppl lie about shit, steal, kill, etc. what's a difference to send a rapist to hell but a thief/criminal will go to heaven?

[Vulgar]

http://www.borgenmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/barack_obama_eating_dinner.jpg

[Destroyer]

nah, your mind is weak

[veritas]

You got to trace evolution back to its beginnigs...the first cell. It is impossible for that to have happened. That is why NO ONE has EVER seen ANY proof of evolution

It is a theory and yall dick ride it like a hush verse smh.

[Destroyer]

ur a moron. god is a theory that you dickride
where's your evidence of god? oh that's right it's a fairy tale

[veritas]

So is evolution.


Why do you choose evolution over a god to put your blind faith in jude?

[Destroyer]

I don't have "faith" bro
I believe that we don't know shit
and I'm fine with that
my joy of life comes from living it, not from understanding it

[veritas]

Wow.

Think that through and try again jude.

[Destroyer]

you think it through bro
we live, then we die. that's it
there's no test. there's only breath
breathe in deeply and enjoy it while it lasts

[veritas]

Yet you believe in evolution instead of god?

Then say we dont know shit?

[Destroyer]

I don't believe in anything
I'm merely stating that evolution, if true, wouldn't disprove a god
I don't subscribe to the belief in either, nor do I actively disbelieve in either

[veritas]

How did we get here?

[Destroyer]

who cares bro? we're here.
a better question is 'what do we do while we are here?'

[Split]

Adaptation vs evolution is easy.

Nothing changes its genetic code into the code of another entire animal.

That is exactly why no one has ever seen that happen

No animal has ever become another entire animal

Evolution has never claimed that, and if that's what you believe is being said then you are overgeneralizing the theory

Fossil records, our understanding of genes, and experiments relating the two have shown that over the spans of many generations, life adapts to evolutionary pressures on a population sized scale through natural selection

This is evident within our own species as well.

Human beings as they are today could not exist 300 million years ago. Yet we have evidence of other creatures living on Earth 300 million years ago and evidence of the Earth's existence 4 billion years ago

Where did those creatures go? Why don't we have fossils of today's creatures from back then? How do you explain the anatomical progression of man in the past 10,000 years? Or 3,000 years? When did humans begin existing on this Earth?


Evolution answers each of these questions in a logical way using models, theories, and conventions that all adequately explain biological processes observed in the lab and in the field

[veritas]

No further questions your honor.

[Witty]

ive always wondered of heaven and hell.. can someone explain why ppl think they can declare someone's entrance to hell or say they're going to heaven but every human does good and bad shit with good and bad intentions?

like ppl who rape, most were raped themselves. most ppl will say they're going to hell but what if then those ppl lie about shit, steal, kill, etc. what's a difference to send a rapist to hell but a thief/criminal will go to heaven?

There isn't a difference.

Each sin is equal, in the eyes of God...repentance is needed for even the smallest sin as much as the biggest, it is society who determines differences in morality, God does not distinguish a difference.

Again. Not my views necessarily but those of the Bible.

[uh-oh]

Adaptation vs evolution is easy.

Nothing changes its genetic code into the code of another entire animal.


Uhoh....you have never seen god nor anything evolve....why out faith in evo and not god


Also dead at things no longer need to evolve! Rofklflskdkdkdken. What decides that? Please elaborate mwjaahahahahaabababahamwhaah

i put faith into nothing. evolution makes sense to me. god doesnt. i dont put faith into either. i put more weight into evolution, but not at the detriment to "god".

nothings genetic code completely changes into another animal in one generation. its letter by letter. generation by generation.

what decides when something doesnt need to evolve is its enviornment. a shark in the ocean has used the same tools for forever, they are still efficient, nothing has changed in there world for them to have to evolve over HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of years. they are perfectly evolved. nothing a great white shark can do, hasnt been done by other great whites lol

[veritas]

So how did we get here uh oh?

[Witty]

I could ask you the same question @Veritas

How did we get here?

[uh-oh]

So how did we get here uh oh?

we are the fire of the all

[veritas]

we are the fire of the all

No further questions your honor