Tomorrow marks the 20th Anniversary of '36 Chambers'. Knowing what you know now, who is your favorite original Wu Tang Member?

[PancakeBrah]

Talks are in the works for a reunion album, but for all intents and purposes their careers are set.

I'm a GZA diehard, with Raekwon a close second, and Ghostface a distance third.

[Geno]

Lyrically: gza
Flow wise: method

When gza gets old, I like ghost face and inspectah

[Malachi]

M-E-T-H-O-D MAANNNNN

that is also the best song on the album

[Destroyer]

gza
then odb
or fuck, maybe Raekwon
but deck is tight as well
and I've always liked meth...
but RZA got those mad beats

[Geno]

Pshh.com word, nothing better than classic rza beats. Cept havoc beats. But that's another thread

[PancakeBrah]

Deck is dope.

Method is all delivery. That's a compliment.

Raekwon released the second best Wu solo.

Ghostface has been the most prolific and consistently relevant after the group's peak.

Hard decision. GZA killed every verse he had on 36 Chambers and released the best solo Wu album.

[Pent uP]

Lyrically rae
Flow method
And gza for obvious reasons

[PancakeBrah]

RZA being 100 in an interview on the Wu Tang reunion album. Drops names, calling original members out who aren't committed.

http://www.grantland.com/blog/hollywood-prospectus/post/_/id/92009/the-rza-on-enter-the-wu-tang-20-years-later-and-whos-holding-up-the-wus-reunion-album

[Untold]

Raekwon
GfK
Method Man

[Destroyer]

fuck I forgot about ghost
this task is impossible

[Destroyer]

obv remedy is obv
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oeIRbfp9-o

[Pent uP]

fuck I forgot about ghost
this task is impossible

Fcccck.

[uh-oh]

method man has always been the best, and to this day he is the best and the only one who got better with age. not saying the others fell off (some did) but they are mostly exactly the same.

which is cool

but meth was my favorite as a kid, and still is

[Mike Wrecka]

aint no best. and u guys left out ODB


Masta and Deck the dopest in 2013

[uh-oh]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUToyp74BQk

i agree with most of what 50 is saying

on gza

"his was always so smart that it was stupid"

knowledge

but yo gza's liquid swords was probably my favorite production wise. so many classic beats off that.

but my favorite solo wu album is 4:21 the day after

on some 2006 shit way after all the "classics" everyone dropped

[Mike Wrecka]

if 50 says it , it must be true


meth was the dopest for a long time but fell off hard


Judgement Day was an incredible album. ridiculously under rated

[Destroyer]

How is one supposed to make this decision? what do we base it on? if we are simply looking at solo work done outside of the Wu-Tang Clan, then we have to say GZA is the best.
but if we are looking at it in light of what they have done on Wu-Tang Clan records, then I might have to pick ghostface killa

[Certain]

From Day One, GZA has been my favorite. No. 2 used to be Method Man, but Ghostface Killah has moved well past everyone other than GZA on my list because he's been so good in the 2000s.

[Pent uP]

method man has always been the best, and to this day he is the best and the only one who got better with age. not saying the others fell off (some did) but they are mostly exactly the same.

which is cool

but meth was my favorite as a kid, and still is

Everything u saod is true except meth wasnt always the best

[Certain]

How is one supposed to make this decision? what do we base it on? if we are simply looking at solo work done outside of the Wu-Tang Clan, then we have to say GZA is the best.
but if we are looking at it in light of what they have done on Wu-Tang Clan records, then I might have to pick ghostface killa

I think you have it backward. Ghostface Killah has the deepest discography by far.

[Mike Wrecka]

@des, how did Gza have the best solo career? Liquid Swords is like the sixth best solo Wu album and the rest were just ok

[Certain]

@des, how did Gza have the best solo career? Liquid Swords is like the sixth best solo Wu album and the rest were just ok

Liquid Swords is pretty widely heralded as no worse than No. 3 and often called the best. You have some strange taste.

[uh-oh]

if 50 says it , it must be true


meth was the dopest for a long time but fell off hard


Judgement Day was an incredible album. ridiculously under rated

when did he fall off? show me some wack shit

[Pent uP]

Liquid Swords is pretty widely heralded as no worse than No. 3 and often called the best. You have some strange taste.

Tical
Cuban links
Judgement day
Liquid swords

[PancakeBrah]

From Day One, GZA has been my favorite. No. 2 used to be Method Man, but Ghostface Killah has moved well past everyone other than GZA on my list because he's been so good in the 2000s.

I prefer Raekwon to Ghost. We agree on GZA. Dunno. Raekwon seemed better. Can't put a thumb on it.

And to answer the questions about the OP question, it's zero sum. Who's the best in your opinion. No qualifications. Just, when I say who is the best original Wu Tang Member, who's the first person that pops in your head. Everything included, nothing included, whatever.

[Certain]

It's really weird to me how much praise Method Man is getting here. I've never heard anyone say he had the best solo career, even if you think he's the best on the Clan albums.

[PancakeBrah]

Tical
Cuban links
Judgement day
Liquid swords

Liquid Swords


Cuban Links
Judgement Day

srs

[Mike Wrecka]

we can all agree Only Built 4 Cuban Linx is number 1

and I think most would say that Brooklyn Zoo, Iron Man, Supreme Clientele are superior to Liquid Swords

I also like Judgement Day better but that is just my weird thing cause im obsessed with that album.


btw I have been playing Liquid Swords in my car every time I get in it for the last week re living it. good album for sure. I just prefer those I mentioned

[Destroyer]

lol @ sixth best
mike wrecka, kill yourself immediately

they were supposed to kill my father but they didn't...

[Certain]

we can all agree Only Built 4 Cuban Linx is number 1

No, we can't. Liquid Swords is my favorite album in the Wu-Tang Clan cannon, solo or group. It's my third-favorite rap album ever.

Iron Man wasn't even as good as Fishscale in my opinion, but I don't mind calling it Ghostface Killah's second best. But to call it better than Liquid Swords puts you in a minority, friend.

[Pent uP]

Liquid Swords


Cuban Links
Judgement Day

srs

I can see it but not for me. No way am I putting liq above cuban in any roster

[Destroyer]

tell me again which songs on those albums can fuck with 4th chamber

[Mike Wrecka]

No, we can't. Liquid Swords is my favorite album in the Wu-Tang Clan cannon, solo or group. It's my third-favorite rap album ever.

Ok then you are in the minority

only Built 4 Cuban Linx is widely regarded as the best hip hop album of all time

only matched by 36 Chambers and Ready to Die tbh

[PancakeBrah]

only Built 4 Cuban Linx is widely regarded as the best hip hop album of all time

your definition of widely regarded is askew.

ob4cl is one of my favorite rap albums.

but you're wrong in saying that it's universally accepted as better than Liquid Swords or bar none a top 3 hip hop album. that lacks perspective, and that's simply a fact.

[Certain]

I think the consensus on Wu-Tang Clan albums would be something like:

1. 36 Chambers
2. Only Built 4 Cuban Linx
3. Liquid Swords
4. Supreme Clientele
5. Forever
6. Return to the 36 Chambers
7. Tical
8. Iron Man
9. Only Built 4 Cuban Linx II
10. Fishscale

And Mike Wrecka, if you're not including Illmatic, It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back or The Chronic on your list of albums widely hailed as the best ever, your list is wrong. I've seen those three on top of many more lists than Only Built 4 Cuban Linx.

[Pent uP]

your definition of widely regarded is askew.

ob4cl is one of my favorite rap albums.

but you're wrong in saying that it's universally accepted as better than Liquid Swords or bar none a top 3 hip hop album. that lacks perspective, and that's simply a fact.
Tbh I thoufgt ob4cl was regarded as such but I dont hold it as bar none just bar wu tang
Ok then you are in the minority

only Built 4 Cuban Linx is widely regarded as the best hip hop album of all time

only matched by 36 Chambers and Ready to Die tbh

Tbh I dont think 36 is better than cuban. Ready to die is a bettwr album but still not necessarily (imo) the end all to rap albums

[PancakeBrah]

Liquid Swords is more cohesive with better lyricism. OBC4L has the best production of any rap album ever made (I've made a topic saying as such before) but it's uneven. I can listen to Liquid Swords all the way through to this day even after burning it out as a young Wigger Cake whereas if I were to listen to OB4CL now I'd skip a few tracks.

[Mike Wrecka]

there is no right or wrong answer

I was basing the rankings based off my own preference and the feed back I have gotten from Wu fans at the many Wu shows I have attended.

I still stand by OB4CL as widely regarded as the best Wu solo album. Supreme Clientele and Liquid Swords would be even in the hearts of the people.

I just gave my top five. I guess my opinion is wrong I didn't know that was possible

[PancakeBrah]

Well, you did present it as fact.

[Pent uP]

Liquid Swords is more cohesive with better lyricism. OBC4L has the best production of any rap album ever made (I've made a topic saying as such before) but it's uneven. I can listen to Liquid Swords all the way through to this day even after burning it out as a young Wigger Cake whereas if I were to listen to OB4CL now I'd skip a few tracks.

Cant argue production. However the lyricism on cuban is superior. My view changed after I learned how much they used metaphors and sub-meanings. Also the story factors on cuban >

[PancakeBrah]

Cant argue production. However the lyricism on cuban is superior. My view changed after I learned how much they used metaphors and sub-meanings. Also the story factors on cuban >

Please.

[Mike Wrecka]

would this be a bad time to mention my absolute love affair with Capadonnas The Pillage

[Pent uP]

Please.

Ill discuss with u later. Im playing beer pong now

[Frank Metts]

I loved ol dirty's flow... Lyrically he wasn't the best but meth said it best " he the ol dirty bastard because theirs no father to his style " dude was unique and grimey

Method man prob made the most commercial appeal and the original how high with redman from the show soundtrack is one of my fav songs but ghost dropped one of the best songs in hip hop history.

I can't call it, wu is a unit, you can't dissect them they lost an eye when dirt passed away, shits beyond me.. All the main members are my fav

[Malachi]

I loved ol dirty's flow... Lyrically he wasn't the best but meth said it best " he the ol dirty bastard because theirs no father to his style " dude was unique and grimey

Method man prob made the most commercial appeal and the original how high with redman from the show soundtrack is one of my fav songs but ghost dropped one of the best songs in hip hop history.

I can't call it, wu is a unit, you can't dissect them they lost an eye when dirt passed away, shits beyond me.. All the main members are my fav

what ghost song ?

[Destroyer]

Guys I was just kidding earlier when I said I didn't know how to answer this. The answer is obviously GZA, it's not even close.

[Destroyer]

The ghost song is shakey dog pt one

[Frank Metts]

what ghost song ?

All that I got is you ... Off ironman ...

[Destroyer]

pssshsshhhshhhh

[Destroyer]

Yeah, what's the deal? What's the deal y'all?
I need y'all niggaz to buckle up one time
Fasten your seatbelts, I'm a take y'all on some real shit
This Theodore shit, y'all niggaz know what time it is and shit
Y'nah mean? It's real motherfuckin' shit, you know

Yo, making moves back and forth uptown
60 dollars plus toll is the cab fee
Wintertime bubble goose, goose, clouds of smoke
Music blastin' and the Arab V blunted
Whip smelling like fish from 125th
Throwin' ketchup on my fries, hitting baseball spliffs
Back seat with my leg all stiff
Push the fuckin' seat up, tartar sauce on my S Dot kicks
Rocks is lit while I'm poppin' the clips
I'm ready for war, got to call the Cuban guys
Got the Montana pulled in front of the store
Made my usual gun check, safety off, come on Frank
The moment is here, take your fuckin' hood off and tell the driver to stay put
Fuck them niggaz on the block they shook, most of them won't look
They frontin', they no crooks and fuck up they own juks
Look out for Jackson 5-0 cause they on foot
Straight ahead is the doorway, see that lady that lady with the shopping cart
She keep a shottie cocked in the hallway
Damn she look pretty old Ghost, she work for Kevin, she 'bout seventy seven
She paid her dues when she smoked his brother in law at his bosses' wedding
Flew to Venezuela quickly when the big fed stepped in
3 o'clock, watch the kids, third floor, last door
You look paranoid that's why I can't juks with you
Why? Why you behind me leery?
Shakey Dog stutterin', when you got the bigger cooker on you
You is a crazy motherfucker, small Hoodie dude
Hilarious move, you on some Curly, Moe, Larry shit
Straight parry shit, Krispy Kreme, cocaine, dead bodies, jail time you gon' carry it
Matter of fact, all the cash, I'm a carry it
Stash it in jelly and break it down at the Marriott
This is the spot, yo son your burner cocked?
These fuckin' maricons on the couch watchin' Sanford and Son
Passin' they rum, fried plantains and rice
Big round onions on a T-bone steak, my stomach growling yo I want some
Hold on, somebody's comin', get behind me, knocked at the door
Act like you stickin' me up, put the joint to my face
Push me in quickly when the bitch open up
Remember you don't me, blast him if he reach for his gun
Yo who goes there? Tony, Tony one second homie
No matter rain, sleet or snow you know you suppose to phone me
Off came the latch, Frank pushed me into the door
The door flew open, dude had his mouth open
Frozen, stood still with his heat bulgin'
Told him Freeze! lay the fuck down and enjoy the moment
Frank snatched his gat, slapped him, axed him
Where's the cash, coke and the crack? Get the smoke and you fast
His wife stood up speakin' in Spanish, big tittie bitch holdin' the cannon
Ran in the kitchen, threw a shot, then kicking the four fifth
Broke a bone in her wrist and she dropped the heat
Give up the coke! But the bitch wouldn't listen
I'm on the floor like holy shit! Watchin my man Frank get busy
He zoned out, finished off my man's wiz
He let the pitbull out, big head Bruno with the little shark's teeth chargin'
Foamin' out the mouth, I'm scared
Frank screamin', blowin' shots in the air
Missin' his target, off the Frigidare, it grazed my ear
Killed that bullshit pit, ran to the bathroom butt first
Frank put two holes in the doorman's Sassoon
The coke's in the vacuum, got to the bathroom, faced his bad moves
The big one had the centipede stab wound
Frank shot the skinny dude, laid him out
The bigger dude popped Frankie boy, played him out
To be continued...

[Frank Metts]

would this be a bad time to mention my absolute love affair with Capadonnas The Pillage

Would this be a bad time to tell you I did personal security for cap with my man when he came to do a two night club show in bmore... Dude was a straight beast and I don't mean on the mic I mean dude is huge, he was even kind of swoll I asked dude to be my personal security and he laughed .. That was the only thing I said to him as I was the only light skinned brother not in tims and a leather jacket around.

[Mike Wrecka]

All that I got is you ... Off ironman ...

saw that coming. you realize that's a topical right

[Frank Metts]

saw that coming. you realize that's a topical right

Yeah but theirs topicals and then theirs topppppiiicccccaaaals and that later topical was said in a Richard Simmons voice

I wrote a topical a month ago ... It got some views ... I dropped my links ... I just don't have the time to consistently drop that hell fire and brimstone that would leave forum so burnt Kane would cringe

[namix]

effin good thread right here -- it's hard to decide.

I thought i had an immediate response, then i thought again... and again.


i honestly appreciate most of them at this point, and for way different reasons...

i actually thought ODB turned it the fuck up toward the end yo... big baby jesus i cant wait --- dude was fuckin gone before he was gone, but that's when he was best imo lol.

--- ghost got the moments and under-rated

--- gza reminds me how smart the clan was in general

--- meth got that consistency, all i need to get by

[namix]

hahah, this is why we should be talking about ODB more

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDP3NHWYAk0

[Mike Wrecka]

Would this be a bad time to tell you I did personal security for cap with my man when he came to do a two night club show in bmore... Dude was a straight beast and I don't mean on the mic I mean dude is huge, he was even kind of swoll I asked dude to be my personal security and he laughed .. That was the only thing I said to him as I was the only light skinned brother not in tims and a leather jacket around.

I love stories like this. here is mine

I used to hang with ODBs brother in law. he lived with his sister ODBs babies mom and ODBs only son that he actually acknowledged and parented. we were talking on the phone one day and he was like hold on Rza is calling. I was put on hold for Rza! I sat on hold super excited. lmao

[Mike Wrecka]

and why the fuck are you all ignoring Masta Killah

dude is fucking great , No Said Date was dope. and his latest album Selling my Soul released last year was pretty fucking ill

[Destroyer]

what does he rap on liquid swords tho?

[namix]

All that I got is you ... Off ironman ...

BRO


FUCK YES. Frank, we're more alike than i think we think or than i know we know -- but dude, i was JUST tryna search for that specific song, I couldn't remember the name man... I was searching looking up like "hip hop hits from the 90s with ghost face" and shit.. (for like 5 min. before i saw your that post lol)

this song is real as fuck, and those that dont fuck wit it aint real

[Frank Metts]

what does he rap on liquid swords tho?

He wasn't on a ton of earlier release if we talking killah ... Mystery of the chessboxing is the only one of 36 chambers and I think duel on the iron mic off liquid swords I wanted to say cold world too but I'm pretty sure that's deck not killah

[PancakeBrah]

hahah, this is why we should be talking about ODB more

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDP3NHWYAk0

Ghost's charisma >

He made a career out of being interesting.

I'd pay top dollar for a legitimate, HBO level documentary on Wu Tang. Like how it all came together, through their words, and the process of making 36 Chambers. I'm sure there's shit out on the internet that you could piece meal to get the same effect, but a legit high level doc on it with interviews would be a must watch.

[Destroyer]

who spit first on triumph though?
it was deck, wasn't it?
that verse alone should just give him some props

[PancakeBrah]

I think Deck's verse on 'Triumph' is generally considered one of the best in the Wu canon. Even though if you break it down it doesn't make a lot of sense. Flow and scheme was crazy for its time.

[Destroyer]

yep it just makes u go fuuuuck

[Objective]

Ghostface, Method Man, Inspectah Deck. In that order. Mostly due to nostalgia reasons and who I listened to the most. Might not be ''correct'' but idgaf.

One of the things that truly introduced me to Ghostface and Wu-Tang as a whole and got me hooked beside of just some songs here and there was this skatepart and that beat:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxMkfTKrbpk

Ye, I was a late bloomer to most oldschool shit as I didn't get my own PC until I was 15-16 when I could finally download/access all that music. Too bad I lost the Girl ''Yeah Right'' Skateboarding VHS tho', I think someone stole it. That might be my favourite skatepart ever as well and the DVD version doesn't have the Apollo Kids beat on it.

[namix]

Ghost's charisma >

He made a career out of being interesting.

I'd pay top dollar for a legitimate, HBO level documentary on Wu Tang. Like how it all came together, through their words, and the process of making 36 Chambers. I'm sure there's shit out on the internet that you could piece meal to get the same effect, but a legit high level doc on it with interviews would be a must watch.

no doubt bro. i would have individually defended most members at any given moment in the past-- but the thought of a wutang documentary wouldnt have been somethin i'd consider payin for until pretty much now... i was just gettin into hip hop when they were comin on -- had such a strong affinity for pac as an individual that it took me a minute to appreciate the clan.

but yea, i'd split that top dollar doc. with you at this point. solid nostalgia and strong thread.

[Destroyer]

kickstarter that shit. I bet you'd get bank to do it
I'll shoot it. holla at ya boy

[namix]

anyone else by chance have that "The Source Presents: Hip Hop Hits" '97 on heavy rotation in the day??

if i had to point to one album, that's the one that eventually brought me to this scene, site, thread and post lol....

s'not like any of the songs individually are really up there for me --- but just one of those albums i would just let play all the way through.

Hypnotize - The Notorious B.I.G.
Triumph - Wu-Tang Clan
Look Into My Eyes - Bone Thugs-n-Harmony
Da Joint - EPMD
Can't Nobody Hold Me Down - Puff Daddy and Mase
Bout It, Bout It - Master P
Front Lines (Hell on Earth) - Mobb Deep
Mary Jane - Scarface
Big Bad Momma - Foxy Brown and Dru Hill
Firm Biz - The Firm (Nas, Foxy Brown, AZ and Nature)
Bow Down - Westside Connection
Whateva Man - Redman
Elevators (Me & You) - OutKast
Crush on You - Lil' Kim and Lil' Cease
I'll Be - Foxy Brown and Jay-Z
We Trying to Stay Alive - Wyclef Jean and Refugee Camp All-Stars
Phenomenon - LL Cool J
Hay - Crucial Conflict

[Certain]

I'm probably the only one who thinks this, but my favorite Wu-Tang Clan posse cut verse might be GZA's from "Protect Ya Neck (Tha Jump Off)," the song on The W (which is pretty underrated).

Run on the track like Jesse Owens
Broke the record flowing, without any knowing
That my wordplay run the 400 meter relay
It's on once I grab the baton from the DJ
A athlete wit his iron cleat in the ground
Wildest nigga who sprint off the gun sound
The best time yet still 7.0
Swift flow made the cameramen clothes blow

One of the cool things about the Wu-Tang Clan's best work is that there's always a debate.

[Untold]

OB4CL is officially my favorite hip-hop album of all time, if not one my favorite musical albums ever

I dunno how anyone can really disagree that OB4CL isn't the best solo Wu cut of them all

The albums solid music from start to finish. It rewrote hip-hop in my eyes and changed the way sampling was being used at the time. Revolutionary in so many ways. Plus, if I'm not mistaken, it was the first time you got a glimpse into hip-hop becoming a theatrical musical on cassette and CD. Also, the first time you saw "alter-egos" and artists taking on a fictional life of their own and acting it out on a track.

If you ask me, nothing is really touching OB4CL. NOTHING!

[Untold]

anyone else by chance have that "The Source Presents: Hip Hop Hits" '97 on heavy rotation in the day??

if i had to point to one album, that's the one that eventually brought me to this scene, site, thread and post lol....

s'not like any of the songs individually are really up there for me --- but just one of those albums i would just let play all the way through.

Hypnotize - The Notorious B.I.G.
Triumph - Wu-Tang Clan
Look Into My Eyes - Bone Thugs-n-Harmony
Da Joint - EPMD
Can't Nobody Hold Me Down - Puff Daddy and Mase
Bout It, Bout It - Master P
Front Lines (Hell on Earth) - Mobb Deep
Mary Jane - Scarface
Big Bad Momma - Foxy Brown and Dru Hill
Firm Biz - The Firm (Nas, Foxy Brown, AZ and Nature)
Bow Down - Westside Connection
Whateva Man - Redman
Elevators (Me & You) - OutKast
Crush on You - Lil' Kim and Lil' Cease
I'll Be - Foxy Brown and Jay-Z
We Trying to Stay Alive - Wyclef Jean and Refugee Camp All-Stars
Phenomenon - LL Cool J
Hay - Crucial Conflict

Look at how much New York was running hip-hop at that time. Only real cats outside of that city made this cut. Master P's "Bout it, Bout it" is such a classic hood anthem out the south. And Outkast... Oh man. I miss the days of 'Dre 3000 and Daddy Phat Sacks spittin on tracks together =\

[Untold]

Btw, has anyone seen the Wu live???

1 of the SICKEST shows I've ever been to

The RZA literally gave my homie the mic and let him spit one of ODB's verses on "Shimmy Shimmy Ya". Like from start to finish. Method smoking with the crowd, kicking it and hanging out with us. Very hype group. Plenty of energy

[Frank]

raekwon easy

[Frank]

then ghost and odb

[Frank]

WU BLOCK is my shit

[Ryan 12]

Redman

[Mike Wrecka]

we just cant leave out U God from this discussion

[Witty]

Method Man always and forever.

[Rawn MD]

Method man than ghost face than odb than raekwon

[King Ra.]

Wuuuu-Tanggggg Clannnnnn.

Best, deepest, hip hop crew ever? Would anyone agree?

Anyways, I co-sign with whoever had said Inspectah Deck's verse on "Triumph" is one of, possibly the best verse..... ever. You can't skip that shit. And then Method Man followed up with a slick verse. Wuuuuuuu.
Objective "Apollo Kids" is that shiiiiiit.

But yo, it's hard for me to choose a clear cut favorite. Method Man & Ghostface Killah are my niggas. Their styles are cool. I like ODB. Very underrated because he is unique. "I Got Your Money" is my favorite track.

Wu as a whole are just dope. Definitely legends in hip hop.

[Chyeahhh!!!]

Ghost for character

Rae for rhyming ingenuity

Meth for Mc prowness

[Frank Metts]

Idk NWA was pretty deep as well ... Slaughterhouse is deep dungeon family and soul assassins

All real deep but WU is extra deep as well

[Fart]

gza
liquid swords>

[Witty]

Wuuuu-Tanggggg Clannnnnn.

Best, deepest, hip hop crew ever? Would anyone agree?

Yes.

I don't even see how that can be disputed.

[Frank Metts]

Idk NWA was pretty deep as well ... Slaughterhouse is deep dungeon family and soul assassins

All real deep but WU is extra deep as well

Yes.

I don't even see how that can be disputed.

I named a few who could be argued in my opinion ( slaughter is probably the least likely one people my age would vouche for but it's four skilled emcees doing their thing )

[Witty]

I named a few who could be argued in my opinion ( slaughter is probably the least likely one people my age would vouche for but it's four skilled emcees doing their thing )

I was gonna say slaughterhouse are the only group that comes close imo. I think they are more talented individually, but not as a group like wu tang were.

[uh-oh]

dipset>

[Witty]

Better than Wu Tang?

Ehh.

Really?

[Fart]

dipset>

dont make me put you on ignore. Swear to ugod i will.

[Certain]

I think Frank Metts brought up the only suitable comparison: Dungeon Family. OutKast, Goodie Mob and Killer Mike have had great careers (and continue to make great music). But I side with Wu-Tang Clan because if you're counting the Killer Beez and other affiliates, it's crazy deep, and if you're just looking at the nine principle members, eight are absolutely elite-level. And that other one is U-God. I said it, Mike Wrecka.

[Frank Metts]

dipset>

Every group I've named is better then dipset


And I can name more .. The firm, the commission, army of the pharoahs, the commission, children of the corn, the lox, 213, EMC, child rebel soldiers, gravediggaz, murder inc ( not the label but the jay, X, ja group ), westside connection, TRU, la coka nostra, the fours horsemen, golden state, fantastic four, the crooklyn dodgers, d12, the outsidaz, terror squad just to name a few

[Rawn MD]

First uh oh post I disagree with

We was better then dipset

Dorset may have been deeper, but quality wu

[PancakeBrah]

I think Frank Metts brought up the only suitable comparison: Dungeon Family. OutKast, Goodie Mob and Killer Mike have had great careers (and continue to make great music). But I side with Wu-Tang Clan because if you're counting the Killer Beez and other affiliates, it's crazy deep, and if you're just looking at the nine principle members, eight are absolutely elite-level. And that other one is U-God. I said it, Mike Wrecka.

Apples to oranges.

If we're looking at just the original Wu Tang vs. The Dungeon Family, maybe it's close in terms of careers and hits, etc. But the Dungeon Family is buoyed by OutKast. The rest of them are good but ancillary.

The real difference, though, is that Wu Tang started off as Wu Tang then slowly branched off. No OutKast fan recognizes OutKast as an offshoot of the Dungeon Family. No Goodie Mob fan recognizes Goodie Mobb as an offshoot of the Dungeon Family. Was Killer Mike original Dungeon Family? I forget. Even if he was, no one recognizes Killer Mike as an offshoot of the DF. If anything he's the 'dude who's nice who's on those OutKast songs'.

Every dope album, song, and track from Wu Tang members is borne from '36 Chambers' because without it there are none of those albums, singles, or tracks. DF is a footnote affiliation to some of the best, if not Pantheon, rap acts.

[uh-oh]

i was clowning

but dipset was dope

frank is dumb if he honestly thinks 3/4 of the groups he named belong in the same sentence

[Rawn MD]

Uh oh u have saved face

[uh-oh]

i like more dipset songs and dipset affiliates tracks than wu tho

but wu has 20 songs that hold as much weight as 50 dipset songs basically

[Mike Wrecka]

and if you're just looking at the nine principle members, eight are absolutely elite-level. And that other one is U-God. I said it, Mike Wrecka.

blasphemy

he is dope imo. he steals the show on a lot of tracks. Wu Tang Forever CD is his best work. his verse on Triumph is ill. his verse on Gravel Pit is incredible. his verse on Its Yourz is one of my favorite verses ever. on Supreme Clientele his verse on Cherchez la ghost was dope. I could go on

[Certain]

Mike Wrecka's favorite song is "Black Shampoo."

[Frank Metts]

Gza and rza ( under a different name ) dropped albums before wu

[Frank Metts]

i like more dipset songs and dipset affiliates tracks than wu tho

but wu has 20 songs that hold as much weight as 50 dipset songs basically

Everyone one of those groups is better then dipset and some of them never released albums lol

Cam was apart of children of the corn but this was before horse and carriage

Julez the only member in dipset worth spinning every no and again, only cam songs I've Ever liked are songs with other artists featured in them

[Certain]

To be honest, I don't know why Frank Metts mentioned all those but not Boot Camp Click, the most comparable group to Wu-Tang Clan. Freestyle Fellowship might be the West Coast artsy version of Wu-Tang Clan.

[Rawn MD]

Just thought I'd say how much I despise Jim Jones

Like I wanted him to die on Law and Order

And irl

[King Ra.]

dipset>

Slayyyyed. Lmfaooo.

Dipset my niggas though.

[Certain]

Jim Jones is terrible.

[Frank Metts]

To be honest, I don't know why Frank Metts mentioned all those but not Boot Camp Click, the most comparable group to Wu-Tang Clan. Freestyle Fellowship might be the West Coast artsy version of Wu-Tang Clan.

I forgot BCC and I love BCC and Sean P which spawned another group heltah skelta which dropped an album called nocturnal which is one of my fav albums ever

I forgot some groups I was just naming some

[King Ra.]

Rawn I hope you're not getting Jim Jones confused with Ice T. Unless Jim Jones played in an Law & Order episode?

[Frank Metts]

A good bit of dipset is fucking terrible, I've tried to like them but then realized when you have to try to like something you don't really like it

[King Ra.]

Cam'ron is the only one I listen to the most from Dipset. Killa Season is my favorite album from him. He's really the only one in the group that I can listen to a full album without skipping a track.

[Rawn MD]

He played his irl character on the show pretty much King ra

[Destroyer]

why the fuck are we talking about dipset in a wu thread?

[Swerve]

method man has always been the best, and to this day he is the best and the only one who got better with age. not saying the others fell off (some did) but they are mostly exactly the same.

which is cool

but meth was my favorite as a kid, and still is

Agreed with this. All dope, so its tight as fuck but Method been my favorite and best IMO.

[uh-oh]

diplomatic immunity>36 chambers

[Certain]

I think Masta Killa clearly got better in the 11 years between Enter the Wu-Tang: 36 Chambers and No Said Date, which is one of the most underrated albums in the Wu-Tang Clan cannon.

[PancakeBrah]

why the fuck are we talking about dipset in a wu thread?

[Mr. J]

Bobby Digital

[Certain]

Another contender for best verse on a Wu-Tang Clan posse cut:

Yo there's no place to hide as I step inside the room
Dr. Doom, prepare for the boom
Bam! Aw, man! I, slam, jam, now scream like Tarzan
I be tossing and flossing my style is awesome
I'm causing more Family Feuds than Richard Dawson
And the survey said, you're dead
Fatal Flying Guillotine chops off your fucking head
MZA who was that? Ayo, the Wu is back
Making niggas go Bo! Bo! like on Super Cat
Me fear no-one, oh no, here come
The Wu-Tang shogun, killer to the eardrum

[PancakeBrah]

Certain off that Strikta Special right now

[Mike Wrecka]

Cappadonna Winter Warz verse was always one of my faves

You heard of the rasp before but kept waitin
for the sun of song, I keep dancehalls strong
Beats never worthy of my cause, I prolong
Extravangza, time sits still
No propoganda, be wary of the skill
As I bring forth the music, make love to your eardrum
Dedicated to rap nigga beware of the fearsome
Lebanon Don, Malcolm X beat threat
CD massacre, murder to cassette
I blow the shop up, you ain't seen nuttin yet
One man ran, tryin to get away from it
Put your bifocal on, watch me a-cometh
into your chamber like Freddy enter dream
Discombumberate your technique and your scheme
Four course applause, like a black dat to dat
You're stuck on stupid like I'm stuck on the map
Nowhere to go except next show bro
Entertainin motherfuckers can't stop O
in battlin, you don't want me to start tattlin
All upon the stage cause y'all snakes keep rattlin
Bitch, you ain't got nothin on the rich
Every other day my whole dress code switch
So just in case you want to clock me like Sherry
All y'all crab bitches ain't got to worry
Can't get a nigga like Don dime a dozen
Even if I'm smoked out I can't be scoped out
I'm too ill, I represent Park Hill
See my face on the twenty dollar bill
Cash it in, and get ten dollars back
The fat LP with Cappachino on the wax
Pass it in your think, put valve up to twelve
Put all the other LP's back on the shelf
And smoke a blunt, and dial 9-1-7
1-6-0-4-9-3-11
And you could get long dick hip-hop affection
I damage any MC who step in my direction
I'm Staten Island's best son fuck what you heard
Niggaz still talkin that shit is absurd
My repotoire, is U.S.S.R.
P.L.O. style got thrown out the car
and ran over, by the Method Man jeep
Divine can't define my style is so deep
like pussy, my low cut fade stay bushy
like a porcupine, I part backs like a spine
Cut you like a blunt and reconstruct your design
I know you want to diss me, but I can read your mind
Cuz you weak in the knees, like SWV
Tryin to get a title like Wu Killa Bee
Kid change your habit, you know I'm friends with the Abbott
Me and RZA ridin name printed in the tablet
under vets, we paid our debts for mad years
Hibernate the sound, and now we out like beers
and blunt power, born physically power speakin
The truth in the song be the pro-black teachin

[Frank Metts]

diplomatic immunity>36 chambers

You must of smoked some of that Opposite Day weed

I'll take 36 chambers hell I'll take return to the 36 chambers the dirty version over any and all of dipsets catalog

[Certain]

He's joking. Ease up.

[Just C]

Method Man, hands down. He has the most charisma by a country mile. Guys a natural.

[uh-oh]

nah

ur older tho so wu had more of an impact on you

i like their beats

i only bump like 2 songs from 36 chambers. and thats how i feel about most wu albums. a couple tracks on em.

[uh-oh]

He's joking. Ease up.

word.

i wouldnt put diplomatic immunity over it in terms of impact or if i was making a top hip hop albums list

but i would definately rather listen to it than 36 chambers in my own time

so i will continue to troll this thread but be too lazy to fill it with diplomat videos/songs

[Frank Metts]

One of those songs better be shame on a nigga

[Certain]

I listened to Enter the Wu-Tang: 36 Chambers yesterday (for the 1,000th time). It really never gets old. The only comparable rap album in terms of raw, unbridled energy is Onyx's Bacdafucup, but other than Sticky Fingaz (and not even him always), the lyrics are much weaker. I think that's what makes GZA stand out, because he's the only one who seems like he's not rapping for his life.

It's a great album, but I think there were two missteps:

1. Two versions of "7th Chamber" is highly unnecessary.
2. "Tearz" just doesn't compare to the other two slow tracks.