The Creationist view of the Universe

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The Mind Assassin

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[veritas]

what is your point?

except obv butthurt at your inability to defend your beliefs? in fact proving only that you have no idea what you actually believe or why you believe it.


thanks for the publicity.

[PancakeBrah]

Veritas is the bill12 of religious debates. If you ignore him life is much better and he loses what little influence he has in the first place.

It's a comfortable place to be in, bros.

[veritas]

ignore me all you want, or pop in with snarky remarks, it only proves you have lost. if I am so wrong prove it. give me a point which I cannot answer, answer the simple questions I propose without floundering.

that is all I ask.

V/ GOD.

[Mike Wrecka]

The Mind Assassin , how old is the Earth?

[veritas]

I don't know. no one does.

there is an indeterminable gap of time between gen1:1 and gen1:2

[Split]

ignore me all you want, or pop in with snarky remarks, it only proves you have lost. if I am so wrong prove it. give me a point which I cannot answer, answer the simple questions I propose without floundering.

that is all I ask.

V/ GOD.
YOUR LOGICAL FALLACY IS


DOO DEE DOOT DYEOOD DUEEOOTOSUDIS

BURDEN OF PROOF

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The Mind Assassin
have they translated the remaining 60% of the original Hebrew bible yet? no? k.

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if u faggots wanna burn in hell that's on u but don't expect everybody else to jump at the opportunity...I'd destroy ur insignificantly small world theory there with the watch/engine analogy but I doubt ur steroid damaged brain is capable of reasonable thought...what I will say instead is if u choose to believe that there is no sentient being behind all this then maybe u should read up on the staggering number of quantum physicists who have publicly stated there has to be someone out there running the show...even albert einstein said there has to be some kind of intelligence coordinating the universe...dumbass...

[Mike Wrecka]

I don't know. no one does.

there is an indeterminable gap of time between gen1:1 and gen1:2

I have actually heard religious types claim that the Earth is 4,000 years old. ok next question

how come there is no mention of dinosaurs in the bible? Adam and Eve didn't seem to encounter them, and are they extinct because Noah didn't let them on the Ark?

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I have actually heard religious types claim that the Earth is 4,000 years old. ok next question

how come there is no mention of dinosaurs in the bible? Adam and Eve didn't seem to encounter them, and are they extinct because Noah didn't let them on the Ark?

the bible talks about animals being on the earth...does it specifically call them dinosaurs? no...is there any reason it should? no...

an the earth isn't 4,000 years old, that I'm sure of...HOWEVER carbon dating isn't really as accurate as some interests would have u believe...not only that, it operates on the assumption that the rate of carbon decay has never changed throughout the history of the earth, which is a pretty big assumption...

[Mike Wrecka]

so your saying that Adam and Eve did encounter dinosaurs , referred to simply as animals.

wow The Flintstones had it right

[Mike Wrecka]

http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/flintstone_quarry_by_joeartguy-d3ddzuy.jpg



YABBA DABBA DO YOU BELIEVE THIS TO BE REALITY?

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so your saying that Adam and Eve did encounter dinosaurs , referred to simply as animals.

wow The Flintstones had it right

smh really? why would the bible specify that certain animals were dinosaurs? a term they didnt even have a word for...animals are animals an I'm sure that's how people saw it...

don't forget the roots of a t rex's teeth rendered it incapable of eating meat...so what ur told about dinosaurs being vicious killing machines probably ain't nearly as accurate as u would like to believe...

[Masaii]

I have actually heard religious types claim that the Earth is 4,000 years old. ok next question

how come there is no mention of dinosaurs in the bible? Adam and Eve didn't seem to encounter them, and are they extinct because Noah didn't let them on the Ark?

Dismiss the original answer with a follow up question...which was just answered by the original qiestion?

Great logic. We have yet another fail troll.

[Mike Wrecka]

smh really? why would the bible specify that certain animals were dinosaurs? a term they didnt even have a word for...animals are animals an I'm sure that's how people saw it...

don't forget the roots of a t rex's teeth rendered it incapable of eating meat...so what ur told about dinosaurs being vicious killing machines probably ain't nearly as accurate as u would like to believe...

wow logic does not exist in your world. congrats on that. T Rex ate meat several studies have been done that shows the main teeth it used for biting were very deeply rooted. And why would it be the first and only animal that has sharp carnivorous looking teeth solely for eating plants.

even so , im pretty sure a velociraptor was a killing machine. or was he a herbivore as well?


all dinosaurs were just happy little herbivores that lived with people in perfect harmony.


that makes sense. your so right jewtour

[Answer]

if u faggots wanna burn in hell that's on u but don't expect everybody else to jump at the opportunity...I'd destroy ur insignificantly small world theory there with the watch/engine analogy but I doubt ur steroid damaged brain is capable of reasonable thought...what I will say instead is if u choose to believe that there is no sentient being behind all this then maybe u should read up on the staggering number of quantum physicists who have publicly stated there has to be someone out there running the show...even albert einstein said there has to be some kind of intelligence coordinating the universe...dumbass...

Einstein was not an Atheist, nor did he follow any religion. He was Agnostic. He never said there *has* to be some kind of intelligence coordinating the universe, he stated that he had enough humility to admit that physics cannot prove whether or not there is a God. Quantum mechanics, Atomic Physics, and string theory weren't even fully DEVELOPED when Einstein was around. Yes, he was a smart guy. But a lot of things have been discovered since the 1900's, and these fields are STILL not fully developed.

And humility is something that neither the fervent Atheists OR the incompetent theists have.

Fact: Nobody can PROVE or DISPROVE the existence of a God


and there was a time in our primitive past when nobody could PROVE or DISPROVE that the earth was the center of the solar system. And for a LONG time, the catholic church would have us believe that it WAS a fact.

But that was erroneous. And now we DO have the technology to prove that it is in fact, the sun that is the center of the solar system, and not the Earth.

Because that's how science works. Science asks a question - makes a hypothesis - runs THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of meticulously designed experiments that well-controlled and -if- Every one of those experiments leads to the same result - we consider that a Scientific "Theory"


This is how religion works: Book was written by some guy millions of years ago. If I ask questions, I sincerely believe that I'll go to hell - so I don't ask anymore questions.



FACT: There may or may not be some sort of sentient being controlling the outcome of the universe, but if there IS - he designed an Earth where genetic mutations evolve via survival of the fittest and natural selection. Not an Earth where 2 naked people talked to a snake and made sons and daughters who all fucked each other.


/end of discussion

[Tom Sparks]

Earth is approx. 1.2 billion years old

The universe is approx. 3 billion years old

They say life on earth will no longer exist in 3 billion years cause the sun is constantly expanding and earth will pretty much be the next venus

[PancakeBrah]

Aside from this conversation, bolding or italicizing words in an argument actually makes your argument weaker. Your points should stand out on their own. It's amateurish. Answer

[Malachi]

Earth is approx. 1.2 billion years old

The universe is approx. 3 billion years old

They say life on earth will no longer exist in 3 billion years cause the sun is constantly expanding and earth will pretty much be the next venus

nvm

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Imma Pastafarian and follow the belief that the universe was created by The Flying Spaghetti Monster. Pirates Bitch!

http://www.venganza.org/

[Mike Wrecka]

Imma Pastafarian and follow the belief that the universe was created by The Flying Spaghetti Monster. Pirates Bitch!

http://www.venganza.org/

holy shit this is a real thing. funny stuff

[Plot]

Just because you think its funny and you laugh at his divine noodlyness dosent make it not true Mike, the universe was created in this humor to test your faith.

[Diode]

Imma Pastafarian and follow the belief that the universe was created by The Flying Spaghetti Monster. Pirates Bitch!

http://www.venganza.org/

i have also been touched by His Noodly Appendage

though on the advice of george carlin, i pray to joe pesci.

[detour]

Einstein was not an Atheist, nor did he follow any religion. He was Agnostic. He never said there *has* to be some kind of intelligence coordinating the universe, he stated that he had enough humility to admit that physics cannot prove whether or not there is a God. Quantum mechanics, Atomic Physics, and string theory weren't even fully DEVELOPED when Einstein was around. Yes, he was a smart guy. But a lot of things have been discovered since the 1900's, and these fields are STILL not fully developed.

And humility is something that neither the fervent Atheists OR the incompetent theists have.

Fact: Nobody can PROVE or DISPROVE the existence of a God


and there was a time in our primitive past when nobody could PROVE or DISPROVE that the earth was the center of the solar system. And for a LONG time, the catholic church would have us believe that it WAS a fact.

But that was erroneous. And now we DO have the technology to prove that it is in fact, the sun that is the center of the solar system, and not the Earth.

Because that's how science works. Science asks a question - makes a hypothesis - runs THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of meticulously designed experiments that well-controlled and -if- Every one of those experiments leads to the same result - we consider that a Scientific "Theory"


This is how religion works: Book was written by some guy millions of years ago. If I ask questions, I sincerely believe that I'll go to hell - so I don't ask anymore questions.



FACT: There may or may not be some sort of sentient being controlling the outcome of the universe, but if there IS - he designed an Earth where genetic mutations evolve via survival of the fittest and natural selection. Not an Earth where 2 naked people talked to a snake and made sons and daughters who all fucked each other.


/end of discussion
saying "end of discussion" doesn't make it the end of the discussion...

too tired to address every point u made, but I will say that albert einstein an quantum physics are not the same, obviously...doesn't make what I said any less true...an albert einstein did state there has to be some kind of sentient energy holding together the fabric of our universe...beyond that, I never said that organisms don't evolve...I said that creation came thru G-d an the story of adam an eve is true...the human genome project traced civilization back to one man an one woman from the african continent...lets not forget the bountiful problems with the missing link ape to man theory...

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wow logic does not exist in your world. congrats on that. T Rex ate meat several studies have been done that shows the main teeth it used for biting were very deeply rooted. And why would it be the first and only animal that has sharp carnivorous looking teeth solely for eating plants.

even so , im pretty sure a velociraptor was a killing machine. or was he a herbivore as well?


all dinosaurs were just happy little herbivores that lived with people in perfect harmony.


that makes sense. your so right jewtour

congratulations on being totally oblivious to the fact that the t rex teeth connected to their guns in not only a shallow socket, which is not conducive to biting into the hide of another dinosaur, but also that the roots of the teeth were rounded in shape, which is a trait of herbivors, given the fact a pronged tooth root is necessary to hold the tooth in the gum...a rounded junction provides no manner for the tooth to resist the force pulling on it as the t rex would have tried to tear away another dinosaurs flesh an hide...

simply put, the t rex teeth would have punctured another dinosaurs hide, but they would have stayed in said dinosaurs hide...I don't care what kind of studies they've done to "prove" that t rex was a carnivore, there's nothing there to prove it...u can, however, examine modern day animals an quickly make the assertion that rounded tooth roots are not a trait of carnivores...u assume just cuz dinosaurs were big that they must have been ferociously violent, but there's no way to really know that with the evidence we have to study...

people survived in times of predators the likes of which we've never seen...what would make dinosaurs any different?

[Answer]

Aside from this conversation, bolding or italicizing words in an argument actually makes your argument weaker. Your points should stand out on their own. It's amateurish. Answer

And yet the argument is not nearly as weak as someone who bases their beliefs off of a book that was written 2,000 years ago, mistranslated erroneously dozens of times, with even greater number of excerpts that have been proven scientifically inaccurate.

Science. It works Even when there's bolds and italics!

[Eŋg]

erroneous is an egregious word. in the archaic sense.

itt: mike wrecka rubs one of his two brain cells.

[Answer]

the human genome project traced civilization back to one man an one woman from the african continent...

Do you even do your research before you spew bullshit out of your mouth? First of all, the human genome project was an utter failure, which didn't prove anything that hadn't already been confirmed. Humans share 99% of the same genetic make-ups as chimpanzees. Big deal. You also share 50% of the same genes as a Banana. Perhaps that would have been a more cogent argument for you to make.

Secondly, there is no evidence at all that civilization traces back to one man and one woman. There were 3 different species of the homo genus evolving at the same time in Africa. No shit, at some point you're eventually going to have to draw an intangible line that says "This is going to be the first being that we officially dub a homosapien" but that's almost as arbitrary as drawing a line on a map and calling one part Canada and the other part United States.

Furthermore, the Mitochrondrial Eve and Y-Chromosomal Adam lived thousands of years apart. Unless you're just naive enough to believe that the human lifespan was really over a Millenium back then, at which point - you should just off yourself now and save a lot of teachers the trouble of trying to educate your retarded little offspring.

If you want to believe in a God, that's fine. Just know that every Religion on this earth is the conception of pompous dolts who were dumb enough to believe that Humanity was such an important cornerstone that God just picked an arbitrary spec out of the vastness of the universe *because that was his favorite!* - and completely ignored all the other shit around it.

Yeah, No. There's Billions of planets, inside Billions of Solar Systems, inside Billions of Galaxies, in what could potentially be billions of universes. Billions of which have the potential to harbor life, which ironically never gets mentioned in the bible, because this....all of this...is all about you.

Right....everything is about you. You and your shitty little less-than-100-year lifespan. You, who couldn't even get a degree in science in math because face it, you're fucking stupid - as is everyone else in the human race, because our technology relative to the length of our existence is so primitive that it's laughable, and a large part of that failure can be contributed to religion, for setting us back decades after decades.

Logic. #Whenitworksitjustworks

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guess what I didnt do?

read all that shit u just typed...

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Guess what god didnt do?
exist

[Masaii]

Guess what god didnt do?
exist

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oh man did you just make that up?!

[Answer]

guess what I didnt do?

read all that shit u just typed...

Guess what else you didn't read?

The Bible. Because if you can't handle 6 paragraphs, you damn sure can't handle upwards of 31,000 verses.

But it's really no surprise that you're both naive and illiterate. They're certainly corollary


No lols needed. Just facts.

[Masaii]

oh man did you just make that up?!

Lol

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trex shed teeth like crocs. they were scavengers who would run others off their kills.

[veritas]

And yet the argument is not nearly as weak as someone who bases their beliefs off of a book that was written 2,000 years ago, mistranslated erroneously dozens of times, with even greater number of excerpts that have been proven scientifically inaccurate.

Science. It works Even when there's bolds and italics!


What about the bible has been proven scientifically innacurate?

Also....show me one example of mutation causing a superior effect....never. mutations produce inferiorities. Look at inbred rednecks. This is not the x men.

[Water]

There are several historically inaccurate references in the bible, that can be backed up by both science and what we know about the earth. Additionally, I don't believe that there is a God who just smites the shit out of people for fucking out of wedlock or being gay.

That being said, I think the bible was relevant to it's time, but is being used out of context in today's society as we have evolved from it's way of life. I think there are many versions of God and that no one version is or should be considered right. If you look at the historical facts Horus predates Jesus and comes from the same scenario.

To assume that the earth is the only living planet or that the bible is of 100% factual information is the same bull shit thinking that lead to the witch crusades or the theory that the earth was flat.

The pure and simple fact and the only fact we can look at is that each side has to much stake and power in their side being the right side, nothing will ever come to light.

One last thing Albert Einstein never believed in Quantum Physics.

[veritas]

ok so in the above post you say that you have answered my question, but didn't. then you state your personal beliefs as proof of God's nonexistence.

carry on.

[Water]

ok so in the above post you say that you have answered my question, but didn't. then you state your personal beliefs as proof of God's nonexistence.

carry on.


I never said I answered a question. Additionally, I am not using personal beliefs for anything. I believe that there is something out there.

Now if you're saying that I don't believe that Jesus Christ is the only true savior of man and this earth then yes I guess I am. To be clear I don't believe that the Christian God is the only God or the true God.

One clear scientific fact is that the earth is not flat, yet in the bible there are plenty of references to the earth being flat. The bible like any other book or teaching of a God had its time and place, but as humans evolve in their thinking so does our idea of God.

[veritas]

I never said I answered a question. Additionally, I am not using personal beliefs for anything. I believe that there is something out there.

Now if you're saying that I don't believe that Jesus Christ is the only true savior of man and this earth then yes I guess I am. To be clear I don't believe that the Christian God is the only God or the true God.

One clear scientific fact is that the earth is not flat, yet in the bible there are plenty of references to the earth being flat. The bible like any other book or teaching of a God had its time and place, but as humans evolve in their thinking so does our idea of God.


You are *flat out* wrong. The book of job 6000 years ago talks about earth as a globe...not flat.

This is what I am talking about. You diss Christianity but obv knlw nothing of it. And refuse to learn. Foolishness

[Answer]

What about the bible has been proven scientifically innacurate?

Also....show me one example of mutation causing a superior effect....never. mutations produce inferiorities. Look at inbred rednecks. This is not the x men.


Serious question - if I write a 30 paragraph response to this - and you can ask anyone who knows me - I will -

Are you actually going to read it? or just say tl;dr like detour, and practically every other person who gets into debates with me online?

Because if that's the case, I'm just going to save myself the time of typing one, and ultimately we're both going to walk away from this thinking the exact same way we would have thought if I responded in the first place. Because we both know that this isn't an open-minded conversation

[Water]

Man not only did I grow up Catholic I taught Sunday School and discussed the bible with several priests and nuns at length. I have read the bible front to back I would say over 10 times. So to say I know nothing about Christianity is as ignorant as it gets.

Furthermore you're missing my point completely here. I'm not bashing Christianity, I am saying that it needs to evolve or it die. Do some research on God's prior to Jesus and or the bible's believed origin. See how many "Christ" like images there were in other beliefs.

Again my point is that we need evolve our though process on religion as we have evolved in other areas. To simply believe the Bible is the only thing real in this world is flat out stupid.

The problem can be seen here. You're so hell bent on proving or standing up to your beliefs it closes the door to other possibilities. I was too for a long time, due to the fear that Christianity uses to dictate believes and my own ego to believe everything I know is right.

Look around the Church and Christianity are controlling governing bodies obsessed with power and money not love and peace.

For your reference:

Mathew4:8
Once again, the devil took him to a very high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world [cosmos] in their glory.”

Daniel 4:10
the king “saw a tree of great height at the centre of the earth...reaching with its top to the sky and visible to the earth's farthest bounds.

[veritas]

Those passages prove nothing lolzord. Look at how terrible you are defending your point.


You have no idea as to why you believe what you do nor no understanding of the opposite side...you are intellectually unbalanced.

Try again.

[veritas]

Serious question - if I write a 30 paragraph response to this - and you can ask anyone who knows me - I will -

Are you actually going to read it? or just say tl;dr like detour, and practically every other person who gets into debates with me online?

Because if that's the case, I'm just going to save myself the time of typing one, and ultimately we're both going to walk away from this thinking the exact same way we would have thought if I responded in the first place. Because we both know that this isn't an open-minded conversation


I could say the same thing. Only after I refute it you wont change your mind lol...so your call.

[Water]

So you're telling me that in a round world you could see the entire thing from the top of a tree.
I have yet to see you back up anything about the Bible being 100% factual.

You're argument is you need no agreement because its the bible. Well I was taught that Santa was real he has thousands of books talking about his north pole palace and his workshop.

Can you provide me proof (scientific) that he is not real?

And what exactly is the opposite side of my belief you refer to here?

[Water]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvLZxG6pB6U&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DTvLZxG6pB6U&app=desktop

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvLZxG6pB6U&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DTvLZxG6pB6U&app=desktop

God is disproven

[Diode]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvLZxG6pB6U&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DTvLZxG6pB6U&app=desktop

For instance, on the planet Earth, man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much - the wheel, New York, wars and so on - whilst all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man - for precisely the same reasons.

[Water]

For instance, on the planet Earth, man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much - the wheel, New York, wars and so on - whilst all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man - for precisely the same reasons.


When I read this, I started seeing images of Morgan Freeman narrating a Planet Earth/Discovery Channel video about dolphins.

[Diode]

When I read this, I started seeing images of Morgan Freeman narrating a Planet Earth/Discovery Channel video about dolphins.

Hitchhiker's.

[...the Nagger]

(Isaiah 40:22) There is One who is dwelling above the circle of the earth, the dwellers in which are as grasshoppers, the One who is stretching out the heavens just as a fine gauze, who spreads them out like a tent in which to dwell,

[...the Nagger]

(Job 26:10) He has described a circle on the surface of the waters to the boundary of light with darkness.

[Water]

http://www.all-creatures.org/ca/images/usa-20080425-6.jpg

[Water]

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT-frs0BUuMciSf_tIjpiL_DV38mUH_nLFRDvQrrxlccZepf7-L

[...the Nagger]

Yeah, No. There's Billions of planets, inside Billions of Solar Systems, inside Billions of Galaxies, in what could potentially be billions of universes. Billions of which have the potential to harbor life, which ironically never gets mentioned in the bible, because this....all of this...is all about you.


Cuz he can do that dude, he's God

he's a multidimensional being, if you even wanna call it that. he created the dimensions to begin with.

he can stand on a billion planets at the same "time", you know that right?

how does having billions of other planets with life prove anything? serious question.

so since he made others, he couldn't have made us?

[Answer]

so since he made others, he couldn't have made us?

If you're willing to admit that there is life outside of Earth, you're immediately writing off creationism, as well as every single religion on this planet which was also conceived during the times of a geocentric paradigm where everything was written and designed to be solely about humans, and their significance in the universe. At which point, congratulations, you've found logic. You're now on the same side that I am

I never said that God doesn't exist - my argument is against religion. Yes, the notion of a God and life outside of earth can co-exist

but the notion of christianity and life outside of earth cannot.

you can now return to watching dolphins masturbate

[...the Nagger]

If you're willing to admit that there is life outside of Earth, you're immediately writing off creationism, as well as every single religion on this planet which was also conceived during the times of a geocentric paradigm where everything was written and designed to be solely about humans, and their significance in the universe. At which point, congratulations, you've found logic. You're now on the same side that I am

I never said that God doesn't exist - my argument is against religion. Yes, the notion of a God and life outside of earth can co-exist

but the notion of christianity and life outside of earth cannot.

you can now return to watching dolphins masturbate

I honestly don't understand your logic. How is believing in alien beings writing off religion?

and also, you wrote a pretty lengthy response just now with no answer to my question within it.

[veritas]

I honestly don't understand your logic. How is believing in alien beings writing off religion?

and also, you wrote a pretty lengthy response just now with no answer to my question within it.

that is his M.O. glad you caught it. all these cats are the same. they demand answers from you. then they attack you and call you stupid etc, when they themselves NEVER answer even the simplest of questions with anything but conjecture, personal opinion and more questions.

[veritas]

If you're willing to admit that there is life outside of Earth, you're immediately writing off creationism, as well as every single religion on this planet which was also conceived during the times of a geocentric paradigm where everything was written and designed to be solely about humans, and their significance in the universe. At which point, congratulations, you've found logic. You're now on the same side that I am

I never said that God doesn't exist - my argument is against religion. Yes, the notion of a God and life outside of earth can co-exist

but the notion of christianity and life outside of earth cannot.

you can now return to watching dolphins masturbate



1. God lives in Heaven....he has angels..in Heaven.....this is another place....where life is. so your agrument is nonsense. This cannot be debated, you can only say you were wrong

2. Christianity is not a religion, it is a fellowship...big difference.

[Answer]

I honestly don't understand your logic. How is believing in alien beings writing off religion?

and also, you wrote a pretty lengthy response just now with no answer to my question within it.

a) only on this forum, where people don't read books without pictures, would that constitute as a lengthy response

b) your question is in regards to the existence of a God, which I do not confirm nor deny. And I do address this question by stating that "Yes, the notion of God and life outside of earth can co-exist"

That may not be the answer you were expecting, but it is an answer.

If the bible stated that God created the universe, and that billions of planets existed that could potentially harbor life - or if the bible even made so much as a minor acknowledgement to the fact that there is, in fact, a universe outside of the Earth with other planets that are also evolving - and they are evolving, whether or not they host life...because to act like stars don't explode and planets don't cease to exist and the creation and destruction of black holes in which gravity is so strong that not even light can escape. If the bible even bothered to notice that the earth was around long before humanity was, and that plant/animal life was around for hundreds of millions of years before humanity could evolve - then yes. I would be more than happy to say that there's a good chance that these scriptures make sense.

According to the Bible, Earth was created for the sole purpose of being the host of humans, which were made in God's image. To suggest that there could be any *intelligent* life outside of this planet, which is mathematically inevitable (look up the drake equation) if you postulate that there are in fact billions of other planets with the potential to evolve life. Furthermore, when Adam & Eve rebelled against the creator, they brought the cosmos under his curse. Therefore, if there was life outside of Earth - it would affected them as well. The second person of the holy trinity incarnated on Earth alone, took on human nature, died for the sins of those with whom he has the kinsman-redeemer relationship, then ascended to the right hand of God the Father. He took on human nature, not the nature of a martian or any other being from any other planet. Therefore, there's no way for theories of evolution and theories of creationism from a Christian standpoint to coalesce, because 'Jesus' was, in fact - only human.

But at the end of the day, the bible never even acknowledges the possibility of intelligent life outside of earth. It's really that simple. And it makes sense when you consider that it was written from the perspective of a civilization that doesn't fully comprehend the world. A civilization that thought that the sun orbited around the earth, and had no idea what caused stars. A civilization ignorant enough to believe that God spent more time creating the earth than the universe around it. That is an example of just how highly humans think of themselves. Which, ironically, was done in a 6 day period. Well, what is a day? A day is a man-made time measurement for a global phenomena...One day is how long it takes for the earth to spin on it's axis. 24 hours. Which is entirely arbitrary considering all planets spin at a different speed. One day on Venus, for example - is 243 days on Earth. Which means that if Earth spun at the same rate, we'd say it took God 1,458 days to create. You're getting a little slow there, lord. Now, if took God 6 days to create the earth, how did 6 days even pass if there was no earth to spin? That's just a silly philosophical argument - but more seriously, God would have created the Earth, and arbitrarily set it to spin in 1/6th of the time (or 1/7th if you include the 7th day) that it took him to make it. Which makes no sense at all as it is, but realistically speaking, the earth spins once every 23.93 hours. So apparently God couldn't even get the calibrations right on the whole spinning earth deal.

And you would dare insult an omnipotent being by believe that he's so fallible in the first place?

Mind you, it was a Pope who said that evolution and catholicism could co-exist, but you and I both know that creationism doesn't fit into that puzzle anywhere. And if we were to try to create a book based on what we know now that explains the meaning of life, the universe, and everything I assure you in 2,000 years - there will be countless discoveries that disprove the things we know. Because unlike religion, knowledge continues to change.





I suggest you let me finish on that note, because I promise my next response will be at least twice the length of this one by the time I'm done

[Answer]

1. God lives in Heaven....he has angels..in Heaven.....this is another place....where life is. so your agrument is nonsense. This cannot be debated, you can only say you were wrong

I'll give you the benefit of a doubt and agree that Heaven is the same thing as "life", but the reality of the matter is you should already know that I'm talking about the existence of intelligent life on another planet. Not humans, not angels, and probably not green martians, but intelligent life none-the-less. You can use red herrings all you want, but I'm not here to argue about the semantics of what can and cannot be construed as "Life outside of earth"

[Urban Dialect]

there is no forgiveness of sin w/out Yashaya
you will die in your sins if you don't believe in him

do not think that u are not a sinner, nor by your own righteousness you will be found worthy to enter into the kingdom

admit you dwell in darkness and are blind and can't see nor know the truth

[Zen]

there is no forgiveness of sin w/out Yashaya
you will die in your sins if you don't believe in him

do not think that u are not a sinner, nor by your own righteousness you will be found worthy to enter into the kingdom

admit you dwell in darkness and are blind and can't see nor know the truth
Since we're all sinners and sinners can't know the truth then how would I know to believe in Yashaya?

But seriously, these types of discussions shouldn't take place here. People are too dogmatic in their own beliefs and no one will ever admit when they're wrong on any point. It's a lose-lose.

[Witty]

there is no forgiveness of sin w/out Yashaya
you will die in your sins if you don't believe in him

do not think that u are not a sinner, nor by your own righteousness you will be found worthy to enter into the kingdom

admit you dwell in darkness and are blind and can't see nor know the truth

Lol I love it when people like you do this.

What are you hoping to achieve with this besides coming across as a pretentious asshole?

If you want people to take your message onboard speak like a fucking human, stop intentionally alienating people from hearing your 'truth' by speaking like Moses because secretly you like the fact people don't understand you, you crave that from your religion, if you worked for your God you would speak in a way that actually got your message across, that after all is the point, is it not?

Or are you just speaking to be heard?

[Diode]

a) only on this forum, where people don't read books without pictures, would that constitute as a lengthy response

b) your question is in regards to the existence of a God, which I do not confirm nor deny. And I do address this question by stating that "Yes, the notion of God and life outside of earth can co-exist"

That may not be the answer you were expecting, but it is an answer.

If the bible stated that God created the universe, and that billions of planets existed that could potentially harbor life - or if the bible even made so much as a minor acknowledgement to the fact that there is, in fact, a universe outside of the Earth with other planets that are also evolving - and they are evolving, whether or not they host life...because to act like stars don't explode and planets don't cease to exist and the creation and destruction of black holes in which gravity is so strong that not even light can escape. If the bible even bothered to notice that the earth was around long before humanity was, and that plant/animal life was around for hundreds of millions of years before humanity could evolve - then yes. I would be more than happy to say that there's a good chance that these scriptures make sense.

According to the Bible, Earth was created for the sole purpose of being the host of humans, which were made in God's image. To suggest that there could be any *intelligent* life outside of this planet, which is mathematically inevitable (look up the drake equation) if you postulate that there are in fact billions of other planets with the potential to evolve life. Furthermore, when Adam & Eve rebelled against the creator, they brought the cosmos under his curse. Therefore, if there was life outside of Earth - it would affected them as well. The second person of the holy trinity incarnated on Earth alone, took on human nature, died for the sins of those with whom he has the kinsman-redeemer relationship, then ascended to the right hand of God the Father. He took on human nature, not the nature of a martian or any other being from any other planet. Therefore, there's no way for theories of evolution and theories of creationism from a Christian standpoint to coalesce, because 'Jesus' was, in fact - only human.

But at the end of the day, the bible never even acknowledges the possibility of intelligent life outside of earth. It's really that simple. And it makes sense when you consider that it was written from the perspective of a civilization that doesn't fully comprehend the world. A civilization that thought that the sun orbited around the earth, and had no idea what caused stars. A civilization ignorant enough to believe that God spent more time creating the earth than the universe around it. That is an example of just how highly humans think of themselves. Which, ironically, was done in a 6 day period. Well, what is a day? A day is a man-made time measurement for a global phenomena...One day is how long it takes for the earth to spin on it's axis. 24 hours. Which is entirely arbitrary considering all planets spin at a different speed. One day on Venus, for example - is 243 days on Earth. Which means that if Earth spun at the same rate, we'd say it took God 1,458 days to create. You're getting a little slow there, lord. Now, if took God 6 days to create the earth, how did 6 days even pass if there was no earth to spin? That's just a silly philosophical argument - but more seriously, God would have created the Earth, and arbitrarily set it to spin in 1/6th of the time (or 1/7th if you include the 7th day) that it took him to make it. Which makes no sense at all as it is, but realistically speaking, the earth spins once every 23.93 hours. So apparently God couldn't even get the calibrations right on the whole spinning earth deal.

And you would dare insult an omnipotent being by believe that he's so fallible in the first place?

Mind you, it was a Pope who said that evolution and catholicism could co-exist, but you and I both know that creationism doesn't fit into that puzzle anywhere. And if we were to try to create a book based on what we know now that explains the meaning of life, the universe, and everything I assure you in 2,000 years - there will be countless discoveries that disprove the things we know. Because unlike religion, knowledge continues to change.





I suggest you let me finish on that note, because I promise my next response will be at least twice the length of this one by the time I'm done

You are inside my brain, posting for me so I don't have to.

Thank you for saving me the effort. I am lazy, after all.

(so long and thanks for all the fish)

[detour]

a) only on this forum, where people don't read books without pictures, would that constitute as a lengthy response

b) your question is in regards to the existence of a God, which I do not confirm nor deny. And I do address this question by stating that "Yes, the notion of God and life outside of earth can co-exist"

That may not be the answer you were expecting, but it is an answer.

If the bible stated that God created the universe, and that billions of planets existed that could potentially harbor life - or if the bible even made so much as a minor acknowledgement to the fact that there is, in fact, a universe outside of the Earth with other planets that are also evolving - and they are evolving, whether or not they host life...because to act like stars don't explode and planets don't cease to exist and the creation and destruction of black holes in which gravity is so strong that not even light can escape. If the bible even bothered to notice that the earth was around long before humanity was, and that plant/animal life was around for hundreds of millions of years before humanity could evolve - then yes. I would be more than happy to say that there's a good chance that these scriptures make sense.

According to the Bible, Earth was created for the sole purpose of being the host of humans, which were made in God's image. To suggest that there could be any *intelligent* life outside of this planet, which is mathematically inevitable (look up the drake equation) if you postulate that there are in fact billions of other planets with the potential to evolve life. Furthermore, when Adam & Eve rebelled against the creator, they brought the cosmos under his curse. Therefore, if there was life outside of Earth - it would affected them as well. The second person of the holy trinity incarnated on Earth alone, took on human nature, died for the sins of those with whom he has the kinsman-redeemer relationship, then ascended to the right hand of God the Father. He took on human nature, not the nature of a martian or any other being from any other planet. Therefore, there's no way for theories of evolution and theories of creationism from a Christian standpoint to coalesce, because 'Jesus' was, in fact - only human.

But at the end of the day, the bible never even acknowledges the possibility of intelligent life outside of earth. It's really that simple. And it makes sense when you consider that it was written from the perspective of a civilization that doesn't fully comprehend the world. A civilization that thought that the sun orbited around the earth, and had no idea what caused stars. A civilization ignorant enough to believe that God spent more time creating the earth than the universe around it. That is an example of just how highly humans think of themselves. Which, ironically, was done in a 6 day period. Well, what is a day? A day is a man-made time measurement for a global phenomena...One day is how long it takes for the earth to spin on it's axis. 24 hours. Which is entirely arbitrary considering all planets spin at a different speed. One day on Venus, for example - is 243 days on Earth. Which means that if Earth spun at the same rate, we'd say it took God 1,458 days to create. You're getting a little slow there, lord. Now, if took God 6 days to create the earth, how did 6 days even pass if there was no earth to spin? That's just a silly philosophical argument - but more seriously, God would have created the Earth, and arbitrarily set it to spin in 1/6th of the time (or 1/7th if you include the 7th day) that it took him to make it. Which makes no sense at all as it is, but realistically speaking, the earth spins once every 23.93 hours. So apparently God couldn't even get the calibrations right on the whole spinning earth deal.

And you would dare insult an omnipotent being by believe that he's so fallible in the first place?

Mind you, it was a Pope who said that evolution and catholicism could co-exist, but you and I both know that creationism doesn't fit into that puzzle anywhere. And if we were to try to create a book based on what we know now that explains the meaning of life, the universe, and everything I assure you in 2,000 years - there will be countless discoveries that disprove the things we know. Because unlike religion, knowledge continues to change.





I suggest you let me finish on that note, because I promise my next response will be at least twice the length of this one by the time I'm done
mathematics itself is flawed so just cuz it says something can or can't be doesn't make it a fact...can't remember what the shit is called but there's a math problem that illustrates the imperfections of our number system...it has to do with a series of deposits an withdrawals from a bank account...add up the deposits an withdrawals separately an u get the exact same number, but when u do them in the order made u get an overdraft...

beyond that, the bible never says whether there are other inhabited planets or not...it's just a question that it doesn't address cuz for the purpose it was written it's not a necessity...whether G-d created life on other planets or not is irrelevant to the question of whether He exists...I've witnessed things first hand that have given me undeniable proof that G-d is real, shit u wouldn't believe if I told u...however, the validation came after the faith, not before it, cuz otherwise that would defeat the purpose of having faith...

if u want to believe that there is no G-d then that's on u, but using extra terrestrial life as ur reason is lame...beyond which, maybe u haven't noticed, but almost every government employee that has come forward to speak about the existence of alien life forms has specifically stated they aren't extra terrestrial beings, they are INTERDIMENSIONAL beings...the bible states the spiritual world in which G-d, satan, angels an demons operate is an alternate dimension of reality...thus, these beings are not aliens in the sense u think of them, they are the angels an demons the bible tells of us...

people act like if they are a real an tangible being then they must not be the same...i.e., it's not an angel or demon it's just a being from another plane of existence...however, that's EXACTLY what the bible says they are...religion was created to oppress an enslave people, true enough, but spirituality an G-d are not the same thing as religion...if u read the bible u'll notice that Jesus spent most of His time shunned by religious figures an telling them they were wrong about their understanding an teachings of G-d...

[RichardCorey]

So...I guess everyone ITT's just gonna throw the same argument at each other like a fucking volleyball...


w'okay...nothing to see here

[King Ra.]

Interesting conversation. Carry on.

[namix]

find it within or be left without

[Witty]

Find it without or be left within.

INCEPTION.

[King Ra.]

find it within or be left without

Nuff said.

[Witty]

Not really tbh.

That doesn't really explain anything.

[King Ra.]

Witty you get cool points for mentioning "Inception" though. Which was an immaculate movie.

[Witty]

I agree.

[namix]

Not really tbh.

That doesn't really explain anything.

the debate is carried out through our words, but stems from our ears.

all the external sources resonate with each individual differently -- based on how it rings from within. each soul speaking their own language.

so we spend time debating the paths... only to find ourselves at the same mountain peak in the end -- understanding that whatever path taken to get there was the right path.

the truth isn't learned when heard as much as it is known when felt....

[Witty]

the debate is carried out through our words, but stems from our ears.

all the external sources resonate with each individual differently -- based on how it rings from within. each soul speaking their own language.

so we spend time debating the paths... only to find ourselves at the same mountain peak in the end -- understanding that whatever path taken to get there was the right path.

the truth isn't learned when heard as much as it is known when felt....

Ok, you are probably correct but I can not be sure because I have no idea what you are talking about. I was lost from the first sentence.

I wish people would just talk normally, then I could learn things.

Not trying to be an asshole, maybe I just communicate differently or something.

[Diode]

please ignore anything parkinsons jk wrote, answer.

[Urban Dialect]

Lol I love it when people like you do this.

What are you hoping to achieve with this besides coming across as a pretentious asshole?

If you want people to take your message onboard speak like a fucking human, stop intentionally alienating people from hearing your 'truth' by speaking like Moses because secretly you like the fact people don't understand you, you crave that from your religion, if you worked for your God you would speak in a way that actually got your message across, that after all is the point, is it not?

Or are you just speaking to be heard?

i'm speaking scripture in hopes to give a little understanding
source is john chapter 9 verse 40-41
9:40 And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also?
9:41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.

[namix]

Ok, you are probably correct but I can not be sure because I have no idea what you are talking about. I was lost from the first sentence.

I wish people would just talk normally, then I could learn things.

Not trying to be an asshole, maybe I just communicate differently or something.

namix: "the debate is carried out through our words, but stems from our ears."

witty: "I wish people would just talk normally, then I could learn things."

that truly is the point brotha --- we all hear, and learn, differently...

some through scripture, some through music ---- nature... even, and in many ways especially, math....

consider what subject matters inspire you the most --- what really resonates, what literally resonates --- what "moves you" from within....

eventually if you keep asking 'why' enough, the truth you see in one subject matter is the EXACT SAME as any other one.... we're all made of the same 'ish -- and so are the subject matters we immerse ourselves in, we just differentiate them as part of our 'creative nature'.

sorry if i'm still being unclear -- truly just saying the road is yours to choose and we're less critical of one another's journeys once we allow ourselves to remember the collective destination.

[namix]

FYI - my mom was one of those uber religious women who actually had turned me off from it.... i pendulum swung the other direction... it was actually the crazy ass left-brained world that pushed me back --- when you go deep enough in anything, literally, it's all made of the same shit.

our perception of the world is skewed by the first word of this sentence... "trying" to see the patterns for ourselves could be frustrating, but they echo through everything... the good and bad in ourselves is also in others, and in a macrocosm of that it is in our society (yes, 'religion' itself too), and in a macrocosm of that it's in our history (why history repeats).


it reflects in the stock market, the weather -- peaks and valleys within greater peaks and valleys -- rise and fall, a rhythm and a cycle -- yes, music... proportions. polarity, relativity... time and timelessness.

it's said so many ways through so many languages, but we lose the truth because of ears --- rather than discerning the feeling.

we debate because of our nature, our need to validate ourselves as a piece of the puzzle rather than to relinquish ourselves for the puzzle itself, and the fear we have of losing ourselves in death or any microcosm of it (losing our opinion, our worldview, our debate...)


I was trying to be uncharacteristically brief before because the more words you send the more likely the masses are to contend, verse letting them in and seeing for themselves... when you're speaking to one person you can "align with them" and go deep.

but I am horrible at board-post brain dumps, because i cannot adapt to the ears hearing the words bro.... any one person or one thing can help chip away at the barrier though, and often times we feel most lost right before cracking through to it -- so i hope in whatever small way this helps you find it for yourself, because the same exact shit is in all of us, we just all need to hear it different :)

always welcome to holla at me if you feel like i could be of any value brotha --- but i also appreciate the fact that i could be exactly what you don't need lol

stay up :D