@Split Eight @Vulgar @Pancake

[Mael]

Or whoever, here's what I need. Because I know you guys have that advanced ear and a large collection of music no one listens to.

A song, preferably an instrumental, that features dope piano riffs. Or anything that has a repetitive, jazzy sounding piano playing. Accompanying drum loop with a hard snare would be a plus.

Thanks in advanced, yeah.

Split Eight Vulgar PancakeBrah Objective etc..

[Certain]

Sharp Nine is the musically inclined half.

But what do you mean? Are you trying to recreate Jazzmatazz?

[Witty]

An advanced ear?

Please don't be that guy.

They have a different tatse, not an advanced ear.

[Ghost1]

Sharp Nine is the musically inclined half.

But what do you mean? Are you trying to recreate Jazzmatazz?

FUCK SOLAR

[Sharp]

An advanced ear?

Please don't be that guy.

They have a different tatse, not an advanced ear.

I will transcribe you into a fucking ditch if you question my ear again witty


:)


that said i have no idea how aural stuff plays out into knowing music BUT I know some jazzy piano stuff


Mael you mean like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxga7rXFoms


or maybe this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5_tXVpM_oE

[Vulgar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0k_Dcd2Np8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiCoL1NfEM4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ybrqi6jm5k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEek5PzbCf0
^not an instrumental but perfect.

[Witty]

I will transcribe you into a fucking ditch if you question my ear again witty


:)


that said i have no idea how aural stuff plays out into knowing music BUT I know some jazzy piano stuff


Mael you mean like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxga7rXFoms


or maybe this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5_tXVpM_oE

Lol I know you studied it, so I definitely concede that you have a better personal understanding of music than myself and probably most people here, but having a certain taste in the music you enjoy is different than having an advanced ear.

Also, he didn't even mention you lol WHY ARE YOU FUCKING WITH ME?

[trap.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PC1auHTej10

[Vulgar]

^Sick.

[Mael]

Certain

No.

Witty

Took me 3-4 years to truly understand the absurd beauty of off-beat trip-hop and experiential music. Advanced listeners sounds about right.

Sharp Nine

Motherfucker. That second beat, because I prefer more upbeat tunes. Dope..

Vulgar

Mr Hyde instrumental was dope as fuck. The others two, but preferably something more upbeat like this -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPXfVXazNx8

trap

Sick beat.

[Witty]

Advanced suggests because they enjoy that music they have a more sophisticated understanding of music, that's nonsense...whatever sounds good in your ear is down to personal taste. They just enjoy a different type of music...using the term advanced ear for someone who enjoys a certain type of music is infinitely arrogant Imo.

[Split]

hm, I have something I can post later

[Mael]

Advanced suggests because they enjoy that music they have a more sophisticated understanding of music, that's nonsense...whatever sounds good in your ear is down to personal taste. They just enjoy a different type of music...using the term advanced ear for someone who enjoys a certain type of music is infinitely arrogant Imo.

Nope. Some music literally takes adaption, and several years of getting used to. Check out the description box - the uploader says "Advanced ears understand this. Leave if not understood."

Now anyone who's accustomed to basic 1-2, ABAB beats that dominate mainstream - if they listened to this, would think it's nonsense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0TjUOW6ccU

[Mael]

Split Eight

That would be dope if you could. Also, do you have a list of artists you could recommend me? My library is embarrassingly undersized and I'm looking to fill it up. You know I'm diggin that Prefuse 73 & Amon Tobin.

[Sharp]

Nope. Some music literally takes adaption, and several years of getting used to. Check out the description box - the uploader says "Advanced ears understand this. Leave if not understood."

Now anyone who's accustomed to basic 1-2, ABAB beats that dominate mainstream - if they listened to this, would think it's nonsense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0TjUOW6ccU

tbh thats the attitude i got into music education to help get rid of

as (probably) one of the most aurally advanced people on this site I can tell you that music has been sticking to the same if not similar formulas since the baroque/classical eras (which were based on renaissance) and as far as chord progressions go we haven't really come anywhere close to as far developed as it got during the romantic era

the reality is everyone has their own little tastes/ideas around music... there's no special 'training' needed to appreciate jazz or classical music. They're just full of little things that you like and you kind find in different contexts. 'Mainstream' pop music is just these little things that are focused on in excess since most of it is essentially a product. But that's all music was during the baroque and classical eras especially (where music was basically just commissioned by the upper class for different events). Haydn, Lizst, all those guys were basically just shitting out tunes for money half of the time while sneaking in their own 'meaningful' compositions here and there until the Romantic era. and that's just a series of 'artists' jerking themselves off



/rant


in short, most music is somewhat accessible. some heavier stuff doesn't require a person to have a greater appreciation for music, but to appreciate themselves as musicians. The rest will follow.

[Certain]

Yeah, but Sharp Nine, that guy who posted that track to YouTube said it's only for advanced ears.

[Sharp]

certain don't tempt me now

[Strikta]

Just found a whole new respect for Sharp Nine.

[Mael]

tbh thats the attitude i got into music education to help get rid of

as (probably) one of the most aurally advanced people on this site I can tell you that music has been sticking to the same if not similar formulas since the baroque/classical eras (which were based on renaissance) and as far as chord progressions go we haven't really come anywhere close to as far developed as it got during the romantic era

the reality is everyone has their own little tastes/ideas around music... there's no special 'training' needed to appreciate jazz or classical music. They're just full of little things that you like and you kind find in different contexts. 'Mainstream' pop music is just these little things that are focused on in excess since most of it is essentially a product. But that's all music was during the baroque and classical eras especially (where music was basically just commissioned by the upper class for different events). Haydn, Lizst, all those guys were basically just shitting out tunes for money half of the time while sneaking in their own 'meaningful' compositions here and there until the Romantic era. and that's just a series of 'artists' jerking themselves off



/rant


in short, most music is somewhat accessible. some heavier stuff doesn't require a person to have a greater appreciation for music, but to appreciate themselves as musicians. The rest will follow.

Show the layman an abstract painting - he'll laugh and call it garbage. Show an Art's student or artist an abstract painting and they'll see things that the average person doesn't.

You probably know more about music than I could ever imagine, but I'm sticking to my guns. I know for a fact this new age of experimental hiphop grew on me more than anything. It started from KRS-One and slowly moved into more obscure areas; Dorian Concept, Dimlite, Amon Tobin etc.

Nonetheless, that's just my opinion. If someone could pick up intentionally off-beat static sounds, good for em.

[Sharp]

Show the layman an abstract painting - he'll laugh and call it garbage. Show an Art's student or artist an abstract painting and they'll see things that the average person doesn't.

You probably know more about music than I could ever imagine, but I'm sticking to my guns. I know for a fact this new age of experimental hiphop grew on me more than anything. It started from KRS-One and slowly moved into more obscure areas; Dorian Concept, Dimlite, Amon Tobin etc.

Nonetheless, that's just my opinion. If someone could pick up intentionally off-beat static sounds, good for em.

that's the beauty of Art - we've been in an area where motive is the only thing that really and truly validates it. John Cage's 4:33 is a shining example - it's 4 minutes and 33 seconds of rests that's the result of years of spiritual growth and searching for true silence (which he related to meditation)

the somewhat famous story is that Cage was invited to test what was thought to be the most acoustically controlled and quietest room ever made, developed at a university. After a few seconds he hears a high-pitched noise and walks out, asking what it was. He was told it was blood moving past his ear. The point of the piece was to show there is no true silence, even if that's what is intended. Sounds like a concert hall's lighting and central air, audience breathing, etc will always be present


whereas if I wrote it, it would be more to say 'you artsy fucks'll listen to anything' - that motive becomes the substance of the piece. I'm not a huge 'art' guy but I find a lot of abstract art done during World Wars to be much more significant for that reason

jazz too - I've taken solos literally making fun of how formulaic and desperate to sound different soloists have gotten, only to be met with 'yo that was so out dude'


I can respect and appreciate just about anyone's taste as long as they're not too militant or dickish about it, so believe me, I'm always glad when you find something you like in any sort of pattern of (un)organized sound. that said, if you're calling all of music art, I can only strongly disagree

[Certain]

I will say that experience in listening to music (and, particularly, specific genres) is very valuable. Also, some people naturally are more analytic and critical of everything. A few friends took me to this new taco place they were raving about the other day, and my reaction was, "This is really good, but I still prefer the other place more." They were annoyed because I criticize everything. That's who I am.

My mom loves classical music but probably couldn't decide on a favorite composer, favorite piece of music or even favorite period. She's not wired like that. She doesn't really take time to analyze what she's listening to, or what she's eating, or what she's watching, etc. Things are good or bad to her. She enjoyed them, or she didn't enjoy them. I can't do that. The My Documents folder on my computer basically is a storage device for lists in Notepad files.

[Sharp]

I will say that experience in listening to music (and, particularly, specific genres) is very valuable. Also, some people naturally are more analytic and critical of everything.


I'm with you in that regard. I kind of take personality to be one of the biggest factors in musical tastes and how someone is as a musician. Some people naturally look for more intellectual challenges, like yourself and our boy Mael. It's been so cool during the past few years seeing how music's just a part of that. Please, both of you keep it up.


But I can't really stand genre labels. Most music (until more recently) was so cross-pollinated and personal that there was an element of something else everywhere. Black Sabbath was about as 'jazzy' as Coltrane's earlier years, and late Coltrane was so much more 'metal' than they ever were... lately pop music seems to be talking down to its consumers, and while there's nothing wrong with some mindless enjoyment (it's made specifically for us to like it after all) that kind of critical thinking that you have puts you like 2 steps from understanding Charlie Parker and Wagner to a degree that would make it accessible to you.

All I mean to say is that any sort of music that gets you to think or want to challenge yourself further, regardless of 'genre', is a valuable listening experience.


and that you're all great



I'll shut up now and save my crap for essays and papers lol

[Certain]

Saying late-period John Coltrane was more metal than Black Sabbath is the most music-student statement ever.

[Sharp]

lol and yet nothing pisses off sax majors more... I just needed an on-the-fly example for a non music major friend and it stuck

I really shouldn't say late period tho... more middle, giant steps-era

[Certain]

Well, if you're talking strictly about tempo, you might be confusing metal with thrash.

[Sharp]

I don't really mean tempo at all, more motive, feeling behind it etc. the saying is something like 'if charlie parker went out and shot the first 10 white men he saw he never would've played a note

but i can't count on people to know parker :(

[Certain]

Don't condescend to me. Who's being pretentious now? I own Bird & Diz.

[Sharp]

Apologies, I was actually expecting you to recognize charlie parker

but the average 20 year old, not so much. Coltrane just became stuck in my mind for that example