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Meth
12-01-2013, 11:27 PM
So on offense. You have to be versatile. The best way to be versatile is to play single back and have a Tight End that can get vertical as well as block. In this offense, blocking is more important, because most the time we want to be able to pass and run with a 3 receiver set. I think the best running backs ever are Jim Brown, Walter Payton, and Barry Sanders. In that order. However, Barry would be the best for this offense. The other 2 were more grind it out runners, Brown especially.

So let's put Barry as our main back with Gale Sayers as his number 2.

Quarterback I'm taking Brady. I'm not discussing it. He gets the job done and he beats other elite teams with regularity. He's fiery as well as emotional, which is good.

I want Bronco Nagurski at Full back when the team would have goal line or i form sets.

The receivers.

Rice. Obviously.

The other is where there could be a lot of debate. Personally I want a field stretcher. Rice is the prototype for possession receivers and did it better than anyone. So we don't need another. Anyway, I'm taking Moss.

He's a touchdown machine and his hayday was a blur, athletically superior, and hands of glue.

Slot receiver. I know in the other thread I said Wes welker was the best slot receiver ever, and he is. However , I'm taking someone who didn't play in the slot, but I fell easily could.

Tory Holt. He's of smaller stature, and has an insane ability to find the openings in zones like he's been there before. One of the best route runners ever and great hands is icing on the cake.

Tight End is Tony Gonzalez. Cool thanks.

Left Tackle.

I'm taking Art Shell.

Left Guard.

Gene Upshaw

He spent most of his career with art shell so they have chemistry

Center

Mike Webster.

He ridiculously consistent for so long for the steel curtain led Steeler teams.

Right Guard

I'm going Steve Hutchinson


He won 7 all pros in a row with Seattle and Minnesota.

That's ridiculous. He spent most of his career opening up holes for Shawn Alexander and Adrian Peterson.

Right Tackle.

Orlando Pace

He spent most of his career at left tackle but with how good he was it'd be ignorant to think he couldn't switch sides and still dominate.

Defense.

Were gonna run a 3-4. It allows more variation.

Nose tackle.

Vince Wilfork. He's incredible. Just absolutely incredible.

Defensive Ends

Haloti Ngata

uh-oh can tell you why. Because if you don't know why, watch better.


Howie Long

Great size, speed, length and athleticism he's a perfect fit here.

Outside backers


Kevin Greene and Lawrence Taylor

Obviously.

Inside Backers

Ray Lewis and Dick Butkus.

Obviously.

Corners

Remember it's a 3-4 so most the time we want to jam.

That takes out one of the best in Deon Sanders.

So for me, the best 2 3-4 corners were Rod Woodson and Ronnie Lott. This is very much up for discussion.

Safeties.

Troy.

Perfect strong safety for a 3-4. Just perfect.

Steve Atwater.



Receivers would fear the middle and he was a sure tackler.

Ray Guy and Vinatieri

Dante Hall/Devin Hester to return kicks.

And boom. Best team ever.



The lineup would be...
QB: Brady
RB: Sanders, Sayers
FB: Nagurski
WR: Rice, Moss
SR: Holt, Largent
TE: Tony Gonzales
LT: Shell
LG: Upshaw
C: Webster
RG: Hutchinson
RT: Pace

Defense (3-4)

NT: Wilfork
LE: Ngata
RE: Long
OLB: Greene, Taylor
ILB: Lewis, Butkus
CB: Woodson, Lott
SS: Polomalu
FS: Atwater
K: Vinatieri
P: Guy
Returner: Hester
Let's discuss.

Strikta
12-01-2013, 11:41 PM
I'll edit mine in here.. this may take some time.

Diode
12-01-2013, 11:42 PM
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Meth
12-01-2013, 11:59 PM
Maybe Largent in the slot instead of Tory? Hmm.

Split
12-02-2013, 12:01 AM
Tim Tebow?

uh-oh
12-02-2013, 12:10 AM
qb - dan marino
hb - 1 jim brown, 2 barry sanders
fb - mike alstott
tes - 1 tony gonzales, 2 shannon sharpe
wrs - jerry rice, terrell owens, randy moss
LT- john ogden
LG-
C-
RG-
RT-

defense is 3-4 all day. movin some dudes around. same position but switchin sides

RE - haloti ngata
DT - warren sapp
LE - howie long
rolb - laurence taylor
mlb - ray lewis, jack lambert
lolb - derrick thomas
cb - night train lane, deion sanders
fs- ed reed
ss- ronnie lott


not positive on my o-line other than john ogden. i'd probably grab up another left tackle and move him to right tackle. guard wise the only dudes popping to mind is larry allen, and modern guys like marshall yanda and ben grubbs and shit like that. basically ravens guys lol

Meth
12-08-2013, 08:03 PM
Up

CtrlF4
12-08-2013, 08:05 PM
ed reed>>>troy

Meth
12-08-2013, 08:07 PM
ed reed>>>troy

They play different positions, boo.

you would want to argue Atwater.

CtrlF4
12-08-2013, 08:10 PM
well I like archaletta or w/e over troy still and marshall faulk over sayers...and I %100 agree with uh-oh mike alstott pick

Meth
12-08-2013, 08:14 PM
Adam Archaletta over Troy?

You're insane.

Troys a hall of famer.

Archaletta REALLY struggled on deep passes in his career especially when he want to the Redskins.
Strikta could probably tell you that

CtrlF4
12-08-2013, 08:15 PM
he was at the end of his like 20 year career also ...my nigga john lynch is GOD of the safety position

Meth
12-08-2013, 08:17 PM
Uhm? No.

His first year with Washington was only his 5th in league.

And his career lasted 8 years

You've lost any credibility lol.

CtrlF4
12-08-2013, 08:18 PM
Archuletta played longer than 8 years

Meth
12-08-2013, 08:19 PM
If you count college, high school and pee wee maybe

CtrlF4
12-08-2013, 08:19 PM
it seems like it anyway...and either way john lynch is my fav safety and Elway is my fav qb

Adonis
12-08-2013, 09:09 PM
Will post one later...Sure someone already said it, but Ngata is not a DE brotha

Meth
12-08-2013, 09:26 PM
Will post one later...Sure someone already said it, but Ngata is not a DE brotha

He plays defensive end in a 3-4.

He'd be a DT in a 4-3.

uh-oh to confirm.

CtrlF4
12-08-2013, 09:32 PM
NotMeth you really think troy is better than lynch

Meth
12-08-2013, 09:33 PM
For a 3-4? Certainly. Not even a question .

Lynch played cover 2 his entire career.

Meth
12-08-2013, 09:34 PM
When he went to a 3-4 team with New England he got cut lol

Certain
12-08-2013, 09:43 PM
Young Jerry Rice was not a possession receiver. Even old Jerry Rice wasn't really a possession receiver.

The only necessities on this team are Rice, Reggie White and Lawrence Taylor. Not having them is stupid.

Meth
12-08-2013, 09:47 PM
Young Jerry Rice was not a possession receiver. Even old Jerry Rice wasn't really a possession receiver.

The only necessities on this team are Rice, Reggie White and Lawrence Taylor. Not having them is stupid.

If include Reggie White on the team in passing downs...

Since once again, 3-4 base defense.

Certain
12-08-2013, 09:54 PM
If include Reggie White on the team in passing downs...

Since once again, 3-4 base defense.

Reggie White was substantially (25 to 30 pounds) bigger than Howie Long, played tackle as well as end and often played with three down linemen in Green Bay. And he was a monster on run defense as well as pass rushing. Bruce Smith or Dwight Freeney can be your situational edge rusher.

Correct your mistake and free yourself, young NotMeth.

Meth
12-08-2013, 10:01 PM
I understand.

However is rather have someone who spent there entire career playing 3-4 in the 3-4 defense.

It's all love though. Him and Sapp inside if I'm running 4-3.

CtrlF4
12-08-2013, 10:02 PM
lynch hammered ppl

Certain
12-08-2013, 10:06 PM
I understand.

However is rather have someone who spent there entire career playing 3-4 in the 3-4 defense.

It's all love though. Him and Sapp inside if I'm running 4-3.

Ultimately the problem with your entire team is that you have guys like Howie Long and Art Shell and Gene Upshaw and Dick Butkus who are 30-plus pounds underweight for their positions now. Are you trying to build a team of the greatest players or the greatest possible team? Those guys would get destroyed if I chose this year's All-Pro first team as my roster.

Swerve
12-08-2013, 10:13 PM
Lane over Lott.

Graham over Tony G. Sorry, but this might be the point at which I am far more Saint than you are.


I'm okay with the rest.

Strikta
12-08-2013, 10:26 PM
Why THE FUCK are ya'll in here talking about Adam Fartchuletout.

Smgdfhmfsbfmfs.

Anyone who put that scrub on their all time needs to never talk about pro ball EVER again.. rofl.

uh-oh
12-08-2013, 10:37 PM
He plays defensive end in a 3-4.

He'd be a DT in a 4-3.

uh-oh to confirm.

word

he plays pretty much every d-line position in the ravens 3-4 tho, but he's a natural DT in a 4-3 for sure

zygote
12-08-2013, 11:14 PM
QB: Trent Dilfer
HB: Ricky Williams (C)
FB: Larry Csonka
TE: Frank Wychek
WR1: Chad Ochocinco
WR2: Harold Carmichael
WR3: Antwaan Randle El
WR4: Marvin Harrison
T1: Art Shell
T2: Louis “The Toe” Groza
G1: Dan Dierdorf
G2: Jerry Kramer
C: Chuck Bednarik

DT: Warren Sapp
DE1: John Matuszak
DE2: Jevon Kearse
MLB: Dick Butkus
OLB1: Urlacher
OLB2: Lawrence Taylor (C)
CB1: Deion Sanders
CB2: Tiki Barber
CB3: Troy Brown
FS: Bob Sanders
SS: Polamalu
KR: Deion Sanders
K: Garo Yepremian (C)
HC: Robert Zuppke
TEAM NAME: The Mexico City Chinampas
TEAM JERSEY COLOR SCHEME: Bright red with orange and blue and green stripes arranged in a fan-like shape.
TEAM MASCOT: A small dancing man.
Team owner will be Mel Gibson.
TEAM PHILOSOPHY: Liberty, equality, fraternity.

Strikta
12-08-2013, 11:27 PM
U have a very interesting offense there, Zygote.

Think u meant Ronde instead of Tiki on D tho.

Oh, ur trolling. Gotcha.

PancakeBrah
12-09-2013, 12:05 AM
Calvin Johnson needs to be on that team. Cut and dry.

Kind of funny how the Lions have two of the 10 best position players of all time and are, historically, so awful.

Certain
12-09-2013, 12:14 AM
Calvin Johnson needs to be on that team. Cut and dry.

Kind of funny how the Lions have two of the 10 best position players of all time and are, historically, so awful.

When you say that, do you mean two players who are among the 10 best at their positions or two of the 10 best players in NFL history?

PancakeBrah
12-09-2013, 12:18 AM
Barry Sander's is a top 5 running back, and I am projecting that CJ will finish as a Top 5 WR with good health. There's no tight end in the Top 10 skill position (wr/rb/te) players. Thus, they're both Top 10 skill position players because math.

Certain
12-09-2013, 12:32 AM
Ehh, the top 10 skill position players would be nine running backs and Jerry Rice, though.

And you omitted the word "skill," which is what confused me.

Meth
12-09-2013, 12:35 AM
Ultimately the problem with your entire team is that you have guys like Howie Long and Art Shell and Gene Upshaw and Dick Butkus who are 30-plus pounds underweight for their positions now. Are you trying to build a team of the greatest players or the greatest possible team? Those guys would get destroyed if I chose this year's All-Pro first team as my roster.

Butkus outweighs Ray Lewis...
So lol.

Shell and Upshaw are underweight, which I'm ok with and did think about. Shell wouldn't be giving up much weight in general match ups against 3-4 backers and 4-3 ends, however Upshaw would be giving up more significant weight differential. That's where his chemistry with Shell comes in, as well as his nastiness and smarts. Plus, you generally get more double teams inside, so help from Mike Webster is indeed great help, since Hutch at right guard isn't giving up weight.

Howie Long is 10-20 pounds less than some of the better 3-4 ends, so his athleticism, grit, determination and know how make that up for me easily.

Meth
12-09-2013, 12:36 AM
Why THE FUCK are ya'll in here talking about Adam Fartchuletout.

Smgdfhmfsbfmfs.

Anyone who put that scrub on their all time needs to never talk about pro ball EVER again.. rofl.

Lol, told you CtrlF4

PancakeBrah
12-09-2013, 12:37 AM
Ehh, the top 10 skill position players would be nine running backs and Jerry Rice, though.

And you omitted the word "skill," which is what confused me.

I disagree with your nine runnerback contention.

Meth
12-09-2013, 12:38 AM
Lane over Lott.

Graham over Tony G. Sorry, but this might be the point at which I am far more Saint than you are.


I'm okay with the rest.

Of you run single back you gotta have a good blocking right end.

I don't think it's much of a stretch to say that Graham isn't that, lol.

However, has the potential, and body to be that.

Certain
12-09-2013, 12:51 AM
Art Shell was 265 pounds. Gene Upshaw was 255. Mike Webster was 255.

Do you think it's a coincidence that the biggest offensive linemen tend to be left tackles? This is the blind side of your line (for a somewhat immobile quarterback, I might add).

There is no way Art Shell is taking J.J. Watt on the edge, or Upshaw is taking Ndamukong Suh or Geno Atkins on the inside. The three modern D-linemen I just named all are substantially bigger, stronger and faster than your three most important pass blockers. That would be a problem.

The opposite of this would happen:

http://cdn2.sbnation.com/assets/3603555/goalline.gif

I was wrong about Dick Butkus, though. I thought he was 230. I should have checked.