3D printers

[Plot]

So these are apparently gonna be the next big thing,
Cos the patent has run out on the inventors and now its gonna blow massive.
Heard stories about people 3D printing guns and shit.

But the burning question on my mind is can I make my 3D printer make me another 3d printer? Could I even get my 3D printer to make me a 3D printer that is better than my old 3D printer?

[...the Nagger]

Yes you can make weapons which is why 3d printers are extremely dangerous

[Batty]

Yeah bro, this shit is gone be crazy, trust. It's like opening Pandora's Box on several levels. Once genetic cloning gets to the point that some average mofos can do it, that's gone be some crazy shit too.

Think about what it's going to do to alot of these big time companies when people are able to make their own shit locally. I've already seen a few people get their hands on 3d printers and they gettin paid.

But yeah fam, that gun cloning shit gonna be crazy, I was reading that too.

[veritas]

I still do not understand 3d printing? Is it like making exact 3 dimensional copies of things and working parts and all?

[Batty]

Yeah @V

That's where it's at now. It can replicate all aspects of a weapon.

[veritas]

how? lol...this is wild. and how could it just copy matter like that @ a person, like the molecules and stuff...

if you don't feel like answering, I will google.

[Batty]

Well, it's not the same as replicating matter and def not a person lol, that's why I mentioned genetic cloning seperately.

3d printers rely on scanning an object and then cutting it from supplied material. Like you could take a block of plastic and scan each part of a gun and make a working gun out of solid plastic.

This has been around for years, it's just next level now. Remember those wrestling action figures in the late 90's? They called it "Real Scan" technology. They'd do a 360 degree scan of The Rock and then scale it down and make an accurate sculpt in plastic of him. They did this with wheels and car parts as well, they could create a wheel design and a laser would etch the design on a blank rim.

[veritas]

dope. Good explanation. I understand now. So theoretically they could have a batch of "person soup" to draw from and clone using this tech? I want a pet velociraptor.

[Plot]

Can I make a better 3D printer with my 3d Printer?

[veritas]

well wouldn't you have to have all the materials and know how it was built? and if so, why not just build it?

[Bender]

There are a bunch of problems with making guns from a 3-d printer.

First they would be illegal because there is no seriel number.

You can not replicate a handgun that is common for example, they are not advanced enough, look up the handguns they would never work for conceal carry.

The weapon will expire and break down alot quicker than a regular weapon, there are reasons they are made with metal parts, for example the magazines they started making for AR's are only capable of lasting about 200 rounds - I believe, may not be an accurate number but I know it was pretty low.

[Batty]

@V - I'm sure that a different process would be involved and while we are a long ways off, I wouldn't doubt if something similar can be achieved one day.

Plot - Do you mean use your 3D printer to scan and copy a more advanced model? That is an interesting question. I wonder what type of limitations the printers run into?

I like this topic.

[Objective]

The weapon will expire and break down alot quicker than a regular weapon, there are reasons they are made with metal parts, for example the magazines they started making for AR's are only capable of lasting about 200 rounds - I believe, may not be an accurate number but I know it was pretty low.

Ye, still lethal enough though. And keep in mind 3D printers is a pretty new invention. You think it'll be like this forever? Might as well talk a shitload about this now before they do get advanced enough to make a serious threat. Don't get me wrong, I love technology and its progression, but this is downright scary.

[Bender]

@V - I'm sure that a different process would be involved and while we are a long ways off, I wouldn't doubt if something similar can be achieved one day.

Plot - Do you mean use your 3D printer to scan and copy a more advanced model? That is an interesting question. I wonder what type of limitations the printers run into?

I like this topic.

you have to have a blue print usually, you can make one but it would have to be programmed, ie: each movable part would need to be programed into the printer just like the machines at a machine shop

[Batty]

There are a bunch of problems with making guns from a 3-d printer.

First they would be illegal because there is no seriel number.

You can not replicate a handgun that is common for example, they are not advanced enough, look up the handguns they would never work for conceal carry.

The weapon will expire and break down alot quicker than a regular weapon, there are reasons they are made with metal parts, for example the magazines they started making for AR's are only capable of lasting about 200 rounds - I believe, may not be an accurate number but I know it was pretty low.



Yes but none of the info in any way negates the dangers that concern people, as a matter of fact it only adds to the fears.

This would be the perfect way for criminals to creat untraceable, easy to dispose weapons. You don't have to worry about buying from a licensed dealer, background checks or registrations. You wouldn't have to worry about metal detectors and you could build a small army of terrorists easily.

I'm not worried about gun enthusiasts or collectors.

[Plot]

Can you make credit cards, can you make money?

I mean its all made out of plastic right?
Bank Notes in my country are plastic.

[Batty]

Whenever counterfeiting money got advanced in the past, the government had to step up their anti-counterfeiting processes. They are probably already on this tbh.

Hitler once had a counterfeiting plan that would've collapsed England making the British pound have no value basically.

Imagine somebody being able to replicate a gun out of hard plastic or resin.... Shoot somebody with it and then drop it into a small fire and disappear Ito a crowd.

[uh-oh]

you still need real bullets.

you can't make gunpowder, you can't make shell casings that don't explode

and the guns themselves fail after a few shots. not the magazines, but the actual part of the gun that contains the explosion and fires out the pistol

vice did a doc on it, and they were doing it with ar15's. im pretty sure they still needed the main part of the ar15. the part where the barrel and stock and clip etc all plug in, and even then they failed after a number of rounds

its not realistic

you are better off buying machining equipment and making your own real metal guns

[uh-oh]

your plastic bank card means nothing

you need a magnetic strip with info that is unique to you

you can't just make a magic strip that will work, it needs an account to draw on and etc

[Plot]

So what the fuck are CSI shows gonna make scripts about when we have clones running around killing people with plastic guns?

[Plot]

Yeah I hear ya, but its seems if they can achieve this then conquering those steps wont be far in the next few years and then what?

[Batty]

People have been reloading and making their own ammo for years but even without "traditional ammo" there are other possibilities. It's not far fetched to think that lethal ammo couldn't be made from other materials. Over the years we've seen guns that shoot rubber bullets, bean bags and wooden blocks. To think a more lethal ammo isn't just around the corner would be insane.

And yeah, the technology isn't there yet to make a sturdy durable weapon yet but if you were an underground dude making quick disposable guns for robberies or hits, you could make some serious cash.

Imagine making movie props with this thing, some collectors would pay crazy cash.

[veritas]

the idea of the literally disposable gun would be an assassin's wet dream.

[uh-oh]

People have been reloading and making their own ammo for years but even without "traditional ammo" there are other possibilities. It's not far fetched to think that lethal ammo couldn't be made from other materials. Over the years we've seen guns that shoot rubber bullets, bean bags and wooden blocks. To think a more lethal ammo isn't just around the corner would be insane.

And yeah, the technology isn't there yet to make a sturdy durable weapon yet but if you were an underground dude making quick disposable guns for robberies or hits, you could make some serious cash.

Imagine making movie props with this thing, some collectors would pay crazy cash.
i can go buy a regular gun right now for 100 bucks

so a disposable gun that can fail would have to be cheaper, so who's ever making them for criminals would have to sell 10 a day to make BIG MONEY.

all those bullets you mentioned still have gunpowder and metal casings housing the powder, so when the hammer hits the pin on the casing, it fires the gunpowder, forcing the shot (beanbag, or bullet or whatever) out, into a barrel where it has nowhere to go but straight

it is a closed controlled explosion

plastic from 3d printers could never do that reliably.

you would be better off making your own crossbows or bow and arrows, and even then you need a sturdy but slightly flexible piece

its basically unrealistic

its not gonna be realistic in "a few years"

the matierials are the matierials.

[uh-oh]

if the housing where the bullet fires can't be plastic because it would explode/be unreliable past a number of shots

a shell casing made out of plastic ain't gonna be able to contain a closed explosion of fired gunpowder

and there would have to be some metal involved to spark the gunpowder

its unrealistic

go break a tree branch off a tree, fireharden it and tie a string to it. now you have a bow and arrow that is 9 billion times more reliable than a 3d plastic gun

[Batty]

Actually, look at the tests. The gun costs $25 to make on a 3d printer and it's deadly accurate. Of course there's the issue of reliability as these guns explode easily and unpredictably but these tests were done 6 months after the prints were made available. Why shouldn't we believe this will be improved upon if this much progress has been made in the first 6 months?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/11/14/3d-printed-gun-stands-up-to-federal-agents-testfiring-except-when-it-explodes-video/

Also, the government is very much staying on top of this as it is escalating. See what's happening with the dude who made the Liberator and his connection with bitcoins.

Also, the British Air Force is already using 3D printed parts on their fighter jets.

Wanna predict 2 years into the future on this technology?

[Split]

I still do not understand 3d printing? Is it like making exact 3 dimensional copies of things and working parts and all?

no. you can create 3D parts individually, only to within certain tolerances. it takes weeks to print them.

Yeah @V

That's where it's at now. It can replicate all aspects of a weapon.

except the parts are wildly inaccurate, shoddy quality, and permanently deform after 100 uses.



if anyone is interested, i have access to an industrial grade 3D printer through my school. holla

[Split]

uh oh is right, batty is wrong. to be clear.

[Batty]

Hahaha!!!

Forbes magazine > a netcee

Just saying.


So you cosign making your own bow and arrow is 9 billion times more reliable than a 3D printed gun?

The 3D is still gunna kill somebody, it just might randomly blow up on them. This does not mean there isn't some wigger out there who'd try it. All I'm sayin is that with the advancements in technology, people should take notice. I mean everybody else outside of NC is.

[PancakeBrah]

Can I make a 3d laser beam?

[uh-oh]

that forbes article didnt say anything i didnt?

and i've obviously taken notice since i knew about all this prior to this thread haha

go watch the vice documentary bro

[Witty]

Could a 3D printer print the parts to make another 3D printer?

I see a business opportunity.

[Batty]

that forbes article didnt say anything i didnt?

and i've obviously taken notice since i knew about all this prior to this thread haha

go watch the vice documentary bro



You missing the point bro.

I'm agreeing that the aren't good for multiple uses yet. The only difference between what we are saying is that you are looking at it from a marketing perspective where people want to buy a cheap reliable gun.

All I'm saying is that if people could replicate a 1 shot only disposable undetectable weapon for $25, it could be a serious issue.

If you were in a shoot out with a dude with a real gun, of course you're probably fucked, not 9 billion to 1 fucked but fucked nonetheless lol

[uh-oh]

word i mean i get you

are they undetectable when loaded tho? because there is a piece of lead and a brass casing on the bullet. so if you try to take it on a plane or through a metal detector it probably aint gonna work.

my main thing is there is no reason to have a 25 dollar cheap weapon when you can have a 100 dollar reliable weapon.

and as far as technological advancement goes im not optimistic anything can happen in a few years. thats a very short time frame and would take tons of resources

also the machines themselves are very expensive, and like someones pointed out it takes awhile to make a gun

so if i buy a printer that costs thousands and it takes a week to make the gun, if the matierials cost 25 dollars, it still took a week to make it so i would have to sell it for much more than 25 dollars for my work to be worth anything

in that time frame i couldve printed a bunch of sporks or something and ate a bunch of spaghetti like a boss

[Zen]

So what the fuck are CSI shows gonna make scripts about when we have clones running around killing people with plastic guns?

Hopefully they'll finally stop making them.

[big baby]

Can I make a better 3D printer with my 3d Printer?

lol this dude keeps saying the same joke so people will laugh.

CAN I INCEPTION MYSELF BY INCEPTIONING MYSELF.

we get it. read your post the first time. relax babe

[big baby]

how can plastic support the firing of a weapon. shits stupid.

[PancakeBrah]

big baby pls show during the winter topical tourney. pls. Thanks

[big baby]

big baby pls show during the winter topical tourney. pls. Thanks

remember that time you ignored my mentions?







yeah

[Batty]

Yeah, I'm definitely feeling what you're saying. I do think just as many "what if's" could be applied to the flip side tho....

Who says I'd have to buy a 3D printer? There's plenty of people that would allow me to borrow one or charge me to access it or I could steal one.

Even with whatever metal parts that are needed, it's still be easier to conceal and dispose of than other metal guns. Look at how many guns from crimes have been retrieved from lakes or trash bins. Even if the did retrieve the weapon, how many ballistics tests would it last for?

Agreed that the future potential is alot higher than what is achieved now, but with this much progress within the first 6 months, you gotta believe it's going to be advanced within 3 years.

Any technology you can actually see now is already obsolete, you already know they government is on some next level shit.

[PancakeBrah]

remember that time you ignored my mentions?




yeah

I don't actually.

Show pls. Make tournament successful. Profit

[Split]

Hahaha!!!

Forbes magazine > a netcee

Just saying.


So you cosign making your own bow and arrow is 9 billion times more reliable than a 3D printed gun?

The 3D is still gunna kill somebody, it just might randomly blow up on them. This does not mean there isn't some wigger out there who'd try it. All I'm sayin is that with the advancements in technology, people should take notice. I mean everybody else outside of NC is.

well, disagree with the first part. the precisions that even the most advanced 3D printers can reach are not near close enough for the parts in the firing mechanism. Lab tested is one thing. and that may be true. But amateurs or the general public cannot replicate these guns with these materials or equipment and attain the same level of precision/accuracy/reliability

However, there WILL be widely available printers that can 3D print metal parts, and it WILL change the entire industrial manufacturing industry.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/industry/10552462/Successful-test-flight-for-Tornado-jet-containing-BAE-parts-made-on-3D-printer.html

[uh-oh]

yea thats one thing i remember too, even with the right schematics in the vice doc the dudes revolutionising this industry ended up having to shave parts off because stuff would come out a couple millimeters too big

[Batty]

Anybody consider that most of the stuff we are seeing is amatuer builds? I mean, the dude at the heart of the contraversy is Cody Wilson. He built the "Liberator" 3D printed handgun at his own home.

http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/2014/01/3d-gun-advocate-cody-wilson-announces-bitcoin-venture.html/

Cody Wilson holding what he calls a Liberator pistol that was completely made on a 3-D-printer at his home in Austin, Texas. May 10, 2013


Same as the dude that made the AR-15 on a 3D printer...



"At a local range, I loaded the magazine with .22 caliber ammo I purchased at the range. I inserted a magazine into the rifle, chambered a round, and squeezed the trigger . . . nothing. I had to experiment, but when I switched magazines, the gun worked. I fired off 10 rounds. At 50 feet, using a red dot sight, it was easy to place all of the hits into a quarter-size group at the center of the target. I shot another 50 rounds down range. Results of the test: The rifle is reliable, accurate and did not suffer any cracks or mechanical failures."

http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/529f40196bb3f7cd3058f407-960/replicator2.jpg


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/i-3d-printed-an-ar-15-assault-rifle--and-it-shoots-great-2013-12#ixzz2pee0905U

and a real AR-15 is known to jam up quite a bit, lol


So for every story about irregular parts or failures there seems to be just as many success stories and from individuals rather than a big company. I mean, imagine what some big companies could do with this shit. Companies that could afford research teams and have access to better data and materials.

If you really wanna see shit get crazy, let them go back to seriously pushing some firearms bans. You will see this shit get really crazy, trust. People will be secretly building their own fully automatic rifles and there will be no proof of sale or proof of ownership/transaction/etc.

[veritas]

Batman owning itt.

[uh-oh]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DconsfGsXyA

there is cody wilson

watch the doc

they cannot make the ar15 part that actually fires the bullet

they cannot make the bullets

they make everything else

and the gun is everything but reliable

[Batty]

http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/529f41696bb3f7583358f406-960/testfire.jpg
Test fire results.