if you honestly think jay-z is a better rapper than nasir jones

[dead man]

you haven't really listened to this song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3ms70RLDsc&feature=kp

[dead man]

think about the kids you mislead...

[Certain]

I don't like preachy Nas.

[dull boy]

He's good for a rapper.

[Witty]

Depends what you listen to music for I guess.

If you are listening because you like thought provoking and intelligent lyrics then yeah Nas is better, if you're listening just for something to bump, a catchy hook or a nasty flow, Jay is the best in that regard.

[Exis]

Nas always been in my top 5...always will be, where as monkey face not in my top 100.

[dull boy]

I don't like how hypocritical he is in his own preachiness.

[Certain]

I don't like how hypocritical he is in his own preachiness.

Exactly.

And I don't like how often he twists facts to the point where he simply is misleading unintelligent and malleable minds.

Every year, Nas drops a little on my favorite rappers list, not because of his new stuff specifically (I like Life Is Good quite a bit) but because that act wears thin. But Illmatic is perfect.

[NYCSPITZ]

Depends what you listen to music for I guess.

If you are listening because you like thought provoking and intelligent lyrics then yeah Nas is better, if you're listening just for something to bump, a catchy hook or a nasty flow, Jay is the best in that regard.

this tbh

[Fart]

how dare you have an opinion

[ill nik-A]

Lolololol

Too funny

[Fart]

jay z is a stupid nig

[ill nik-A]

U re a stupid wig

[Destroyer]

jay z is garbo

[ill nik-A]

Nas is basura

[Greed]

Nas a better rapper then jay

Jay a better entertainer. Also more business savvy.

He also fucked nas wife and left the condom on the baby seat. Post ether.

But you know. Nas alright still.

[El Muffin]

he fucked kelis? nu-uh

[Baron Mynd]

Nas always been in my top 5...always will be, where as monkey face not in my top 100.

For real?

I completely disagree, Hova the god, I don't really hate Nas like that or anything but I'd go so far as to say on this board I have the exact polar opinion to yours here. There are so many rappers I prefer over Nas I could quite comfortably put him out of my top 100...

[Baron Mynd]

Nas a better rapper then jay.

No, he isn't. Not even remotely. Do you even listen to hiphop?

[ill nik-A]

No, he isn't. Not even remotely. Do you even listen to hiphop?

Thx mad sugar

[Exis]

I can't stand Jigga...don't have one song of his, only thing this dude get props for is havin' Beyoncé & fuck knows what she was thinkin' when she exchanged vows with this douche.

[El Muffin]

dont let that psychobabble..blaxploitation version of confucius shit throw u nigs off

jay > nas

[Baron Mynd]

...nothing to do with him not having one bad album, no?

Exis

[dull boy]

Jay Z can be as good as Nas, at times, which means it's a choice he makes. Nas can't be as commercial or entertaining while maintaining some semblance of himself. Jay is more diverse. All these things go into who the better rapper is, I guess. Nas doesn't annunciate as clearly, and this plays a role in who the better rapper is, I think. Nas is more consistently intense, but Jay can do it, but I don't feel he can do AS well as Nas. Jay is a better rapper, I'd say.

[El Muffin]

that álbum with "brush your shoulders " was weak doe

[Baron Mynd]

That's Kingdom Come, his weakest, but I'd still take that over every Nas album
(bar maybe Illmatic)

[Exis]

I've never listened to an album of his, just like I've never copped a Kanye one...it's not what I'm into.Why listen to him when I could bump Rakim or Big L? That's like you playin' a Diddy track instead of a Pun joint imo.

But each to they own bro.

[El Muffin]

take that take that

diddy>

[big baby]

Jay Z can be as good as Nas, at times, which means it's a choice he makes. Nas can't be as commercial or entertaining while maintaining some semblance of himself. Jay is more diverse. All these things go into who the better rapper is, I guess. Nas doesn't annunciate as clearly, and this plays a role in who the better rapper is, I think. Nas is more consistently intense, but Jay can do it, but I don't feel he can do AS well as Nas. Jay is a better rapper, I'd say.

lol @ annunciate.

[Destroyer]

I thought shoulders was on the black album?

[uh-oh]

can you guys stop bringing up this topic?
ps
jay>nas

[uh-oh]

I thought shoulders was on the black album?

it is

[Certain]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ5A2aKmZhI

[El Muffin]

priapus penis finger ass nigg

[Diode]

I can't stand Jigga...don't have one song of his, only thing this dude get props for is havin' Beyoncé & fuck knows what she was thinkin' when she exchanged vows with this douche.

http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/negged/grand/negged_gif_14757985.gif

[Exis]

Next Baron will be sayin' Bieber better than Mos Def.

[PancakeBrah]

Nas > jay crew checking in

Fan of both tho

Seems silly that people think they're polar opposites or that sides have to be taken just because of a long since squashed beef

[Destroyer]

it is

you'd think jay fans would know their shit

[Chyeahhh!!!]

this has been done to death but Nas sent Jay-z's soul flying into an eternal inferno and set it on a slow burn. Jay been sucking the South's dick for the last 10 years damn near.

"I'm so thowed....." fuck outta here Jigga Boo

[Chyeahhh!!!]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffDDbEJAEIg

[Chyeahhh!!!]

"that Ether get's in yah soul man"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hFBRCGc6t8

[Fart]

jay never has a complete song tho. like 1 good verse and shit hooks all over the place. suck a dick

[uh-oh]

stfu

stupidest shit ever said in one of these threads

someone close this plz

[Fart]

ffw to that one verse, or skip after that one verse

always

[Certain]

So what part of "D'Evils" is bad?

[Fart]

all of it

[Bladed Thesis]

Nas checked Jay-Z and his gangster claims with Ether and gave him a reality check. There is no debating that. He refutes every claim Jay-Z ever made regarding being a thug and then points to the fact that Jay-Z has bitten Biggie so many times, its not even funny. And Jay-Z calls it paying homage... lol

Stillmatic > any Jay-Z album... period.

[uh-oh]

close this thread

[PancakeBrah]

Jay IS paying homage, though. I don't know how anyone can listen to those lines and honestly think he's biting. He's blatantly alluding to Biggie when he does that. Although NaS' delivery on that line in Ether made it work.

[Bladed Thesis]

Biggie on “Kick in the Door”:

Your reign on the top was short like leprechauns
As I crush so-called Willies, thugs and rapper dons
Jay-Z on “The Ruler’s Back”:

Your reign on the top was shorter than leprechauns
You can’t fuck with Hov, what kind of X you on?
The minimal, non-transformative alterations don’t add any value to Biggie’s original; rather, they suspiciously serve to mask the line’s origin…

Biggie on “You’re Nobody Till Somebody Kills You” (Jay must really like this song!):

Stop your blood-clot crying
The kids, the dog, everybody dying, no lying
which Jay-Z bites unaltered on “D.O.A.”:

Stop your blood-clot crying
The kid, the dog, everybody dying, no lying
And so on and so on. Jay claims he’s honoring Biggie, but the untransformed, verbatim bites seem to stifle creativity; at times, he seems to use Biggie lines as filler, which is disrespectful to B.I.G. and Jay both.

In addition to the “artfully transformative”-factor, another worthwhile consideration in judging the merit of a bite is the recognizability of the line bitten: if Jay copies a well-known line, the claim of homage becomes more credible. If he were to quote a classic Biggie line — one that every white person in America knows, say, “It was all a dream, I used to read Word Up Magazine” or “I love it when you call me big poppa” then purists wouldn’t have a problem.

But he never does that…

One could contend that Jay is trying to draw attention to lesser-known jewels through his knock-offery. But an amateur rap audience is unlikely to catch the reference, tending to give Jay-Z credit for clever lines that are actually Biggie’s. To make matters worse, Jay-Z’s Biggie-bites are most often found in his radio-designed singles, which command a novice audience.
basically this...

[Bladed Thesis]

Jay IS paying homage, though. I don't know how anyone can listen to those lines and honestly think he's biting. He's blatantly alluding to Biggie when he does that. Although NaS' delivery on that line in Ether made it work.
bullshit. He takes little known lines of Biggie's and then spins them to hide where they came and fit himself. Why would he tailor the line to be about himself if he's paying homage? He's not, he's biting small little lines that aren't from popular Biggie songs and DOESN'T GIVE credit or EVER say its from Biggie or an homage to Biggie until he got caught.

That's not how you pay homage...

[Bladed Thesis]

Biggie, "Victory"
“I perform like Mike, anyone Tyson, Jordan, Jackson”

Jay-Z, "Niggas in Paris"
“I’m liable to go Michael, take your pick; Jackson, Tyson, Jordan, game 6.”
I can grab hundreds more.

Yes, HUNDREDS. There are hundreds of lines he swipes from Biggie.

[Bladed Thesis]

Hahaha, is that how you're going to debate facts?

Guy A says Jay-Z isn't a biter.

Guy B says Jay-Z is a biter and provides evidence.

Guy A says "you must be crazy, your perspective is wack"

gg hold the re


"GAIS GAIS, he just paying homage MANY MANY times in EVERY album he's pressed in multiple songs across his whole discography. It's not lots and lots of biting, its just lots and lots of homage."

Get a load of this guy...

[PancakeBrah]

LOL

YES

Because there are "facts" here. This is entirely opinion based. You don't know. You have a bias, so you're going to say any line that is remotely close to a "bite" is a bite, dead stop. Whereas I am of the opinion that they're for the most part homages. This could be an argument that goes on for pages. The end result will be a bunch of posts, a handful of sentences, some quoted lines, and neither of us changing our opinion. So I, instead, posted something that did not present an argument. I just posted a random post. I would like to engage you in a fierce debate about an artist I don't care that much about, except I wouldn't like to do that because internet.

I think you're wrong. You think I'm wrong. It's all well and good. I will entertain this frivolity no longer, sir. Do not think you have won. I won before you even thought.

I bid you good day.

[El Muffin]

its a mixture of homage..disdain n misplaced narcissism

tbh. things are a bit more complex.

[Certain]

Jean Rhys totally bit Charlotte Brontë.

[Fart]

nas doesnt need to 'pay homage' to be the better lyrical miracle.

[El Muffin]

nah

[uh-oh]

tbh i want to stab you all in the face with a jagged piece of aluminum

[Bladed Thesis]

LOL

YES

Because there are "facts" here. This is entirely opinion based. You don't know. You have a bias, so you're going to say any line that is remotely close to a "bite" is a bite, dead stop. Whereas I am of the opinion that they're for the most part homages. This could be an argument that goes on for pages. The end result will be a bunch of posts, a handful of sentences, some quoted lines, and neither of us changing our opinion. So I, instead, posted something that did not present an argument. I just posted a random post. I would like to engage you in a fierce debate about an artist I don't care that much about, except I wouldn't like to do that because internet.

I think you're wrong. You think I'm wrong. It's all well and good. I will entertain this frivolity no longer, sir. Do not think you have won. I won before you even thought.

I bid you good day.
Backtrack and bid adieu...

[Fart]

uh-oh
who do you think can rhyme about your dirt beard better? nas.

[uh-oh]

jay could sum it up in half a bar where nas would dedicate an essay to it

both would be dope. jay's line would be in a song with more replay value to it though.

[Fart]

so u agree

[uh-oh]

jay>nas

forever

dealwithit.gif

[Badweather]

i only like one of jay-z's songs...and it's only because of the instrumental.

[big baby]

uh oh cant bite cause he lost his teeth lol

lmao

[King Ra.]

Nas. Nuff said. Cam'ron's "Swaggerjack" did justice though. I listen to Jay, he cool, but Nas is THAT nigga. While he may not have an album that sold as much as Jays, he still went 9 albums straight platinum, without being a mainstream bubble gum junky. Holler.

Ether.

[Paradigm]

Nas. Nuff said. Cam'ron's "Swaggerjack" did justice though. I listen to Jay, he cool, but Nas is THAT nigga. While he may not have an album that sold as much as Jays, he still went 9 albums straight platinum, without being a mainstream bubble gum junky. Holler.

Ether.

this.

[Destroyer]

ether is so far beyond any other diss track
It's like the fucking Bible of diss tracks but if the Bible was true
I don't give a fuck what else Jay-Z did in his whole motherfucking career, nobody is coming back from ether

[El Muffin]

fucking hipsters

[dead man]

POISON

[Untold]

Damn I forgot how cold this track was

Stillmatic was really a cold album

Think I might go bump it tomorrow

[Certain]

nas doesnt need to 'pay homage' to be the better lyrical miracle.

"I'm the N, the A to the S I R. And if I wasn't, I must have been Escobar."

But yeah, Nas never uses allusion to pay homage.

[Certain]

ether is so far beyond any other diss track
It's like the fucking Bible of diss tracks but if the Bible was true
I don't give a fuck what else Jay-Z did in his whole motherfucking career, nobody is coming back from ether

Surely you are smart enough to understand the entire beef was fabricated to increase interest in both and East Coast rap at a key time in the genre's history, right? And surely you understand that after "Ether," Jay Z only grew more famous and more successful, right?

I know some people here are Simpletons, but I expect more out of you than this.

[oats]

I much preferred Hit Em Up, or Bully, to Ether.

I can't say I prefer one artist to the other, cuz each have albums in their discography that I love as well as albums that are shit. Illmatic is the best of either of their albums though. Blueprint and Reasonable Doubt better than the majority of Nas' material though.

[Certain]

I much preferred Hit Em Up, or Bully, to Ether.

I can't say I prefer one artist to the other, cuz each have albums in their discography that I love as well as albums that are shit. Illmatic is the best of either of their albums though. Blueprint and Reasonable Doubt better than the majority of Nas' material though.

"Hit 'Em Up" is terrible. The only good line is the plainly stated "You claim to be a player, but I fucked your wife." Plus the Outlawz are the worst.

[Brian Bryan]

I thought shoulders was on the black album?

lmao it is, my bad

[Brian Bryan]

bullshit. He takes little known lines of Biggie's and then spins them to hide where they came and fit himself. Why would he tailor the line to be about himself if he's paying homage? He's not, he's biting small little lines that aren't from popular Biggie songs and DOESN'T GIVE credit or EVER say its from Biggie or an homage to Biggie until he got caught.

That's not how you pay homage...

to be real, if you're a hiphop head and didn't know Biggie said the line first without having to find out through some website online, shame on you

to anyone who knows their shit, they would have known it was biggie

[Brian Bryan]

"Hit 'Em Up" is terrible. The only good line is the plainly stated "You claim to be a player, but I fucked your wife." Plus the Outlawz are the worst.

lmao Certain judging diss tracks like they were text battles

wowzer

[Certain]

lmao Certain judging diss tracks like they were text battles

wowzer

Is the point not to actually dis the other person? I love "Ether." It's both more listenable and more aggressive than "Hit 'Em Up." The same is true for "Takeover." If the goal isn't to embarrass the other person through personal attacks, then what is it?

[oats]

Hit Em Up was just mean, and it was waaaaay more aggressive than Ether or Takeover. I concede the Outlawz being terrible though, they bring that song down a notch.

Malcom X might be my favorite diss track come to think of it. that had the aggression and harsh edge of Hit Em Up but with an actually talented lyricist at the helm.

[Certain]

Hit Em Up was just mean, and it was waaaaay more aggressive than Ether or Takeover. I concede the Outlawz being terrible though, they bring that song down a notch.

Malcom X might be my favorite diss track come to think of it. that had the aggression and harsh edge of Hit Em Up but with an actually talented lyricist at the helm.

"Aggressive" might not be the right word. When I say that, I mean personal and cruel. "Hit 'Em Up" essentially was an homage to saying "I'm going to kill you" and "You're gay" in various ways. "Ether," "Takeover" and "Malcolm X" were specific, biting and relevant.

2Pac was a very talented lyricist. His dis tracks were terrible, though. He didn't care because he only wanted money and fame.

[oats]

I agree, but you have to admit that "I'm gonna kill you" is a little different coming from Death Row records. I listen to Nas et al in a different way than I listen to Westside Connection nah mean.

I think Pac is underrated as a lyricist, but his appeal isn't lyrical I don't think. He's a larger than life persona, and what always connected with me was his unflinching honesty and openness, not so much any type of lyrical flare.

[Certain]

I agree, but you have to admit that "I'm gonna kill you" is a little different coming from Death Row records. I listen to Nas et al in a different way than I listen to Westside Connection nah mean.

I simply don't. 2Pac was a theater student.

I think Pac is underrated as a lyricist, but his appeal isn't lyrical I don't think. He's a larger than life persona, and what always connected with me was his unflinching honesty and openness, not so much any type of lyrical flare.

I hear people say this stuff all the time. I have never understood it, but that's because I think of Me Against the World as his defining statement.

They say pussy and paper is poetry, power and pistols
Plotting on murdering motherfuckers 'fore they get you
Picturing pitiful punk niggas copping pleas
Puffing weed as I position myself to clock G's
My enemies scatter in suicidal situations
Never to witness the wicked shit that they was facing
Pockets is packed with presidents, pursue your riches
Evading the player-hating tricks, while hitting switches
Bitches is bad-mouth, cause brawling motherfuckers is bold
But y'all some hoes, the game should be sewed
The sickest psychotic society somebody save me
Addicted to drama so even mama couldn't raise me
Even the preacher and all my teachers couldn't reach me
I run in the streets and puffing weed wit my peeps
I'm ducking the cops, I hit the weed as I'm clutching my Glock
Niggas is hot when I hit the block, what if I die tonight

That seems pretty lyrical.

[oats]

that's easily his best album imo, but still that doesn't appeal to my lyrically so much as it appeals to my sense of veracity, for lack of a better way to put it. He encapsulated the paradoxes of humanity more than any other MC, and did so in a way that was epic on a grand scale.

he's not a bad lyricist by any standards, but what sticks out to me about him was his passion; the conviction behind what he said rang louder than what he actually said. of course, if he was saying stupid shit or was a simplistic MC it wouldn't be quite the same either, but when I think 2-Pac, "lyricist" is not one of the first things that comes to mind.

[Certain]

Yes, 2Pac came across as being so authentic even though he probably was the fakest rapper until Rick Ross.

[oats]

and the t-rex was most likely a scavenger. these are things I turn a blind eye to for the sake of my inner-child.

[e11even]

he fucked kelis? nu-uh

No. His first wifey Carmen, the predecessor to Kelis.

[Baron Mynd]

Do you fools listen to music, or d'you just skim through it?

[PancakeBrah]

Certain vs. Oats is the most professional and cordial beef in history

[zygote]

CANIBUS v LL COOL JJ - "Better give me the respect that I deserve, or ima take it by force, blast you with a 45 colt, make you somersault." + "You drippin with whack juice." + "Well let me tell you something, you might got more cash than me, but you aint got the skills to eat a niggas ass like me" + "Now watch me rip the tat from your arm, kick you in the groin, stick you for your vanguard award in front of your mom your first, 2nd and 3rd born, make your wife get on the horn, call minister Farrakhan, so he can persuade me to squash it, I say naw he started it, he forgot what a hardcore artist is."

CANIBUS v DIZASTER - "Look like Tom Cruise Mom's shoes" + "Are you a faggot or a faggot magnet, or just a faggot vampire that drinks faggot blood?" + "You just a pretty funny guy with peanut butter brown honey eyes."

CANIBUS v BEANIE SIEGEL - "Whats the issue monkey face i'll monkey flip you."

CANIBUS v EMINEM - "I'm a fry you on behalf of Mariah and Michael, put you back on them drugs make you suicidal, when you use the word nigga just remember your idols."

CANIBUS v royce5'9 - "Tell me something nigga, do you know who McGregor Mathis is? You don't know McGregor Mathis is Elvis's grandfather?" + "Canibus don't need no twitter to tell you what the fuck he feelin nigga" + "I mastered my pen and I mastered these rhymes... I was the first MC with a website... but instead of the niggas usin the shit to be more real, they usin smoke and mirrors to make us antagonize eachother with the exponential ability to brainwash the entire hiphop generation to turn their backs on the champions of the culture to isolate and alienate the artists whom the media has purposely blackballed, like yours truly."

CANIBUS v j COLE - "I don't know what worse AIDS or cancer, them stupid ass questions or your stupid ass answers."

CANIBUS v joey budden - "joey lowlife got known overnight for niggas fuckin his wife. got bust in the eyesight and still wouldn't fight."

CANIBUS v Wyclef Jean - "You mad at the last album? I apologize for it, yo, I can't call it, motherfucking Wyclef spoiled it"

[Tettris]

dead @ Tom Cruise's mom's shoes

[Hush]

lmao Certain judging diss tracks like they were text battles

wowzer

This can't be his life can it?

[Hush]

CANIBUS v LL COOL JJ - "Better give me the respect that I deserve, or ima take it by force, blast you with a 45 colt, make you somersault." + "You drippin with whack juice." + "Well let me tell you something, you might got more cash than me, but you aint got the skills to eat a niggas ass like me" + "Now watch me rip the tat from your arm, kick you in the groin, stick you for your vanguard award in front of your mom your first, 2nd and 3rd born, make your wife get on the horn, call minister Farrakhan, so he can persuade me to squash it, I say naw he started it, he forgot what a hardcore artist is."

CANIBUS v DIZASTER - "Look like Tom Cruise Mom's shoes" + "Are you a faggot or a faggot magnet, or just a faggot vampire that drinks faggot blood?" + "You just a pretty funny guy with peanut butter brown honey eyes."

CANIBUS v BEANIE SIEGEL - "Whats the issue monkey face i'll monkey flip you."

CANIBUS v EMINEM - "I'm a fry you on behalf of Mariah and Michael, put you back on them drugs make you suicidal, when you use the word nigga just remember your idols."

CANIBUS v royce5'9 - "Tell me something nigga, do you know who McGregor Mathis is? You don't know McGregor Mathis is Elvis's grandfather?" + "Canibus don't need no twitter to tell you what the fuck he feelin nigga" + "I mastered my pen and I mastered these rhymes... I was the first MC with a website... but instead of the niggas usin the shit to be more real, they usin smoke and mirrors to make us antagonize eachother with the exponential ability to brainwash the entire hiphop generation to turn their backs on the champions of the culture to isolate and alienate the artists whom the media has purposely blackballed, like yours truly."

CANIBUS v j COLE - "I don't know what worse AIDS or cancer, them stupid ass questions or your stupid ass answers."

CANIBUS v joey budden - "joey lowlife got known overnight for niggas fuckin his wife. got bust in the eyesight and still wouldn't fight."

CANIBUS v Wyclef Jean - "You mad at the last album? I apologize for it, yo, I can't call it, motherfucking Wyclef spoiled it"

Don't know y but reppppppd

[Exis]

Canibus is dope...'eat a niggas ass like me' is a little suss though.

[El Muffin]

u jus a funny guy with peanut butter honey eyes

[Certain]

Don't know y but reppppppd

I'm pretty sure he quoted those from memory.

[Witty]

Zyg's memory is Random Access.

[Brian Bryan]

Is the point not to actually dis the other person? I love "Ether." It's both more listenable and more aggressive than "Hit 'Em Up." The same is true for "Takeover." If the goal isn't to embarrass the other person through personal attacks, then what is it?

Super Ugly absolutely fucking slayed me though when I heard that shit on radio, literally game over, Jay brought the roflzzz

[Fart]

Surely you are smart enough to understand the entire beef was fabricated to increase interest in both and East Coast rap at a key time in the genre's history, right? And surely you understand that after "Ether," Jay Z only grew more famous and more successful, right?

I know some people here are Simpletons, but I expect more out of you than this.
Ouch, hit you right in the feels huh

thats not even paying homage. lmao.

wrong quote but w.e

[Certain]

Ouch, hit you right in the feels huh

thats not even paying homage. lmao.

wrong quote but w.e

Are you talking about "I'm the N the A to the S I R"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTDoDDjsxTg

[Brian Bryan]

again, anyone into hiphop should know that

its not a 'bite' in my opinion

lmao @ some of you clowns that post here

[Certain]

again, anyone into hiphop should know that

its not a 'bite' in my opinion

lmao @ some of you clowns that post here

It's not a bite. It's the same thing Jay Z does. It's called allusion and is an invaluable part of all sorts of writing.

[Malachi]

i think i like the blueprint as much if not more than reasonable doubt

bout to go cop this illmatic 20th an reissue or whatever tho

jay flow wise n just music is prolly better than nas
nas takes it lyrically doe

[dead man]

fuck. you guys are too predictable

bout to make an "eminem fell off" thread and hit 20 pages

[Ghost1]

I never posted once itt


can't troll a troll




But.


Jigga da goat.

[Destroyer]

I never posted once itt


can't troll a troll




But.


nas da goat.

FTFY

[Greed]

Remember when jay z was with jaz and rapped fast af?