veritas

[uh-oh]

what do you feel about the apochryphal gospels?

do you dismiss them since they werent canonised? ignorant of them? like them too?

let me in your brain

[veritas]

1. The authorized king James bible is the legit word of God
2. God inspired men to write it...he wrote it thru them.
3. You could read it all day amd everyday for your whole life and still not scratch the surface. It is alive.
4. Thr apocryphal books which I have read are watered down amd contradictory. They are obv not inspired.
5. The book of enoch is legit outside info as it is referenced in the Bible a few tines and is fascinating.


Warning: if you try and turn this into a spirit troll I will damage you.


Proceed.

[uh-oh]

hmm. what are your thoughts on constantine? when I get off work ill be able to engage more

[millz]

If the book of Enoch is legit why are so many Christians upset with the watchers being in the new film Noah?

[Wise Wiggles]

Because Noah was a homosexual and he brought his boy toy on that boat instead of a bitch.

[Ghost1]

Lol

[Hush]

Lol at King James Bible being the word of god

U that special king of "stupid smart"

With a dash of inbred white ignorance


I bet u got fucked by the priest who gave you ur conformation

[veritas]

waiting on you uh-oh.

[THE PUZZLEMASTER]

Rep hush for that flash of brilliance

[uh-oh]

waiting on you uh-oh.

aight

what are your thoughts on constantine, the man/saint, do you feel he deserves his status as a saint, and or do you know much about him?

also how do you feel about the translations, do you think the king james bible would be better if it was translated direct from the aramaic it was originally written in, since we understand that language as well as they did when they translated it to greek? im pretty sure the king james bible of today went through something like, original texts-greek-latin-german-then english, maybe even more.

let me get to what you replied tho

ok, you say that the apocryhal or however you spell it, gospels are watered down, yet, we have them in there original texts. you claim the king james bible is perfect, but would it not be more watered down since it has gone through numerous translations, where as the apocryphal gospels are still original?

[millz]

Da god droppin knowledge

[veritas]

Uh oh....make that last paragraph make sense then get back to me.


If I have a thousand year old document in mint condition versus a thousand year old document that is all torn up and I have to decide which is legit I will go with the tore up one.

See if you can figure out why.

Also the knowledge of the present KING JAMES is available to anyone who has an open mind to see how it is preserved

I reccomend you actuallt study it before you play games trying to debase it however.

[veritas]

Da god droppin knowledge

Where?

[millz]

You discredit one text for being contradictory but don't see any of that in the bible at all?

[uh-oh]

Uh oh....make that last paragraph make sense then get back to me.


If I have a thousand year old document in mint condition versus a thousand year old document that is all torn up and I have to decide which is legit I will go with the tore up one.

See if you can figure out why.

Also the knowledge of the present KING JAMES is available to anyone who has an open mind to see how it is preserved

I reccomend you actuallt study it before you play games trying to debase it however.

word im not trying to debase it, just opening a discussion

what i was saying with my final paragraph is, wouldnt a gospel, written in the language it originated, be less watered down, than a gospel that has been translated 5 times from its original language?

but yo, did you know that scholars of the day thought the greek translation itself was an abomination and the most sacriligeous shit ever? back in whatever BC

one of the things changed for example, is mary being a virgin. she was actually a "maiden" which only meant young woman, they had a word for virgin, and would have used it if thats what they intended.

that is just one of an insane amount of things lost in translation

and think about this

that was lost from the FIRST translation. from aramaic to greek.

what was lost/changed when it went from greek to latin? what about latin to german? and so on.

another interesting tidbit. in the original texts, they don't number the "wise men" they basically say "some" wise men show up with gifts, and they arent "wise men" they are maegi

which i take to mean wizards.

thats just my personal belief however.

[veritas]

1. By what authority do you speak on the maiden business

2. Even if, she gave birth to a man who said he was God and died and then rose from the dead.

3. If he did not rise from the dead...where is his body?

[uh-oh]

1. by the authority of being a person who heard a jewish scholar say so.

2. allegedly.

3. personally I don't believe he existed at all but if he did he is either long decomposed or his followers moved him. or he ascended to heaven duh

how do you feel about constantine?

how do you feel about warrior jesus on a white horse with a bloody sword?

how do you feel about young jesus who blinded a teacher who annoyed him and killed another boy for bumping him?

in Exodus 424 I think it is god is looking for moses to kill him. what do you think this passage is about?

[veritas]

1. most jews (minus the messianic) have been blinded. They are still looking for teh messiah to come.
2. where is his body?
3. think about it. all the jews and romans had to do to end the whole mess was produce a body....they didnt even try. The body was gone. Also over 500 bore witness of him after his death.

constantine: was a stupid movie
warrior Jesus: be afraid...be very afraid.
young Jesus: apocraphyal heresay. It matters not.
Exodus: Moses asked God to KILL HIM. Moses was depressed because he was trying to feed isreal instead of lead isreal.

[Batty]

V got people discussing Revolver and the bible in civilized fashion.

Repped.

[namix]

1. The authorized king James bible is the legit word of God
2. God inspired men to write it...he wrote it thru them.
3. You could read it all day amd everyday for your whole life and still not scratch the surface. It is alive.
4. Thr apocryphal books which I have read are watered down amd contradictory. They are obv not inspired.
5. The book of enoch is legit outside info as it is referenced in the Bible a few tines and is fascinating.


Warning: if you try and turn this into a spirit troll I will damage you.


Proceed.

surprised at your hard-and-fast stance!

while I def. agree there is more lie than truth in the 'add-ons', what truth can be found is pretty profound in terms of some of the more esoteric sides of his preaching, no?

[veritas]

Namix:

The Bible says that if there was to be talks of all the things Jesus did, the libraries of the world would not be able to contain it all. The point is, what we have in the Bible is more than enough. it is alive. It grows with you....or you grow into it more accurately.

there is a difference in knowledge and Gospel. and some of the knowledge in the apocrapha aint Gospel.

The Bible does mention a few add-ons, such as the Book of Enoch which is fascinating.

[namix]

Namix:

The Bible says that if there was to be talks of all the things Jesus did, the libraries of the world would not be able to contain it all. The point is, what we have in the Bible is more than enough. it is alive. It grows with you....or you grow into it more accurately.

there is a difference in knowledge and Gospel. and some of the knowledge in the apocrapha aint Gospel.

The Bible does mention a few add-ons, such as the Book of Enoch which is fascinating.

i hear you

whoever mentioned Constantine made me think of 'some' of the arbitrary nature of what was included/excluded in the 'official' version...

but along the lines of what you said re: the growth with you/etc., I do believe the truth echoes from within, so i never get hung up on the fact....

but hey, sometimes i think it takes a 'mary magdalene' gospel to bridge the gap to a greater path.

I definitely have an affinity for Thomas though to be honest -- but I get where there are concerns with how it could be interpretted.

[veritas]

but have you ever studyied the Bible?

[namix]

but have you ever studyied the Bible?

If I had studied it in the past I would I have subjectively argued against truth of it under the guise of science.

Now I let the words, and relevance, come to me as they will... but no, I don't proactively study it in the way 'i think' you're referring to... but I have been 'tested' on it throughout 16 years of catholic education (which made me no more educated on what 'i think' we're getting at, or at least what I am.)

[veritas]

well you should.....it is every seeker of truth's eventuality to cross it's path.

it is the spirit of truth, of prophecy, of wisdom.

kjv.

[uh-oh]

are the men who chose what to keep in, and what to cut out, god?

all of it was the word of god, preached to the people of their time. it was all of the same religion.

they just decided to keep some stuff out.

wouldn't it be wise to take heed all of the words of god? is it a mans place to withhold some of his words from you?


let me ask you this, im pretty sure when a follower asks jesus who will take up his cause when he is gone, he names his brother james, not peter. yet christians/the church made peter the saint and the "first pope" to lend legitamacy to their tyranny

how do you view "the church"

in my opinion, "the church" is the only unique thing to christianity. everything else can be found through other religions.

[veritas]

And now, finally, your end game:

A trite and duplicitous attempt to espouse a tired and weak point.

Understand: those men had no power to do anything. GOD knew what he was doing and we have more than enough word. Trust that.

as for the church, the church you are describing is not THE CHURCH.

Now then:

I am glad you are intent on trying to poke holes in something you know little of. That is the start.

Now grab a kjv and study it. I mean really study it. See what happens.

That is if you care about truth. ..and not just parroting the agenda of the times.

Fair?

[uh-oh]

im trying to understand

i am letting you see things as i understand them. i am looking for you to say things as you understand them so i can compare our viewpoints.

my main problem is you say read the king james bible, but i find flaws in the fact that men decided what to put in that bible, and what to keep out, when none of it at the time, was more important than any of the rest

they just wanted an official version for all of the branches to follow in there far flung nations. alexandria practiced a slightly different form, than jerusalem, than rome, than byzantium, etc. i think it was constantine who made christianity legal, and had bibles made, which are the same bibles christians use today, with the old testament, and the new testament, with the gospels of the new testament that the council of nicaea CHOSE to include.

that is a flaw to me, i am asking how you personally overlook this, you must know something i don't, or there is a flaw in how i am taking in the info i am spewing

poke holes in it for me.

[millz]

I personally enjoy the part of the bible that condones slavery and the beating of slaves, because you know they are your property. But don't beat then to hard they need to get back and work them fields in a reasonable amount of time. And there is no hint of mysogony at all.

[namix]

well you should.....it is every seeker of truth's eventuality to cross it's path.

it is the spirit of truth, of prophecy, of wisdom.

kjv.

it's sage advice, I got the leather-bound KJV this xmas...



How did you/do you prefer to read it --- literally front to back, or in an order your feeling?

the front to back approach loses me... i think i need to start with the N.T. next time, I don't make it by Genesis lol.

[veritas]

it's sage advice, I got the leather-bound KJV this xmas...



How did you/do you prefer to read it --- literally front to back, or in an order your feeling?

the front to back approach loses me... i think i need to start with the N.T. next time, I don't make it by Genesis lol.

A sign for sure.

Proverbs psalms and ecclesiastes. Then the new testament. Then old testament.

Oh...read daniel b4 revelation.


Study.

[namix]

A sign for sure.

Proverbs psalms and ecclesiastes. Then the new testament. Then old testament.

Oh...read daniel b4 revelation.


Study.

solid order, good looks

will be easy to build momentum through proverbs and psalms --- probably no surprise, but i dig that shit most.....

counterintuitive perhaps,I'll also appreciate the old testament more after recognizing the fulfillment come to pass lol.



What is your position on numerology in general, and as it pertains to the Bible?

[veritas]

solid order, good looks

will be easy to build momentum through proverbs and psalms --- probably no surprise, but i dig that shit most.....

counterintuitive perhaps,I'll also appreciate the old testament more after recognizing the fulfillment come to pass lol.



What is your position on numerology in general, and as it pertains to the Bible?

word.

basic Biblical numerology:

1 God
2 Division/union
3 divine confirmation
4 the system of the world/nature
5 grace
6 man w/out God
7 spiritual perfection
8 renewal/atonement
9 finality/judgment

[veritas]

I personally enjoy the part of the bible that condones slavery and the beating of slaves, because you know they are your property. But don't beat then to hard they need to get back and work them fields in a reasonable amount of time. And there is no hint of mysogony at all.

dude....howbout the part where it says after 7 years let them go? or about the criteria of what makes a slave? like owing a debt that they can't pay? perhaps the bible talks about indentured servants.....and you just can't see that?

the bible is against owning another man.

big difference.

agenda on bro.

[millz]

If that's how you feel the need to justify fine.

But the bible is pro slavery. Even if it's only for 7 years. It refers to them as property. 7 seconds of slavery is 7 seconds to many.

The bible is homophobic. And it isn't exactly super kind to women either.


I'm not bashing religion, but the bible is by no means a "perfect" document.


It is written by man and is therefore flawed like man.



So agenda on bro

[veritas]

wrong.

Slavery is owning men.

Indentured servants are bondservants....workers. often treated better than the children of the house.

Isreal was enslaved.....Isreal did not enslave others.

GOD does not approve of Homosexuality.

you sure about women? you ever read the koran? I have....you probably aint read the koran....probably aint read the bible either...

yes you are bashing religion. because you mistake Christianity for a religion. it is not. The Bible is a perfect document. as perfect as a document that exists on this terrible planet.

The Bible was written by God. if you would study it, you would see that.

the agenda is yours sir. You speak as every child of this current world system....i on the other hand stand against the tide.

[Diode]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ENihAU6Sm3c/T3Ki0uEIXrI/AAAAAAAABs4/QBHjfk_s2i0/s1600/pretentious.jpg

[veritas]

http://i60.tinypic.com/xd8a3q.jpg

[Dope girl]

I hurd of it, its awesomE

[veritas]

Sup erica?

[namix]

there's a ton of smart shit in the bible that transcends religion, ESPECIALLY if people read it without religious biased.

with just a bit of discernment it's not hard to see that the bible probably did more to create religion than religion did to create it.

[veritas]

Exactly. Christianity is a fellowship. Not a religion.

[namix]

Exactly. Christianity is a fellowship. Not a religion.

Word up man.

One of those 'awake but dark' souls who tries to 'break others' asked me how my faith would change if they proved that Jesus never existed.

I said that he cannot prove Jesus never existed, because we are talking about him now.


searching for evidence is fruitless when truth is evident

[veritas]

Word.

What seperates Christianity from religion is this:

Religion says do do

Christianity says it is done

Religion is a burden no man can carry

Christianity is liberty and freedom

JESUS DIED FOR OUR SINS. ALL WE NEED TO DO IS BELIEVE THAT.

BUT WHO WANTS TO ADMIT THAT THEY DESERVE HELL!?

[uh-oh]

with just a bit of discernment it's not hard to see that the bible probably did more to create religion than religion did to create it.

dumbest shit you ever said

[namix]

dumbest shit you ever said

heh.

good luck in your game of seek-and-hide, uh-oh...


some day it might make sense.

[uh-oh]

your claiming the bible created religion?

how am i hiding?

veritas is ignoring me because he has blind faith.

i can accept someone having faith. faith being a belief in something without proof. but blind faith, being belief in something despite evidence opposing it, i can never respect.

[namix]

your claiming the bible created religion?

how am i hiding?

veritas is ignoring me because he has blind faith.

i can accept someone having faith. faith being a belief in something without proof. but blind faith, being belief in something despite evidence opposing it, i can never respect.

it's all the same bro..

but naw, wasn't saying you were hiding. sometimes seeking makes shit harder to find, leads people to create bias and jump to conclusions, be less open minded than they think they are.


truth is evident man... its not fluff im giving you, you can literally 'feel it' if you allow yourself to. certain concepts, just resonate with all of us -- whether we chose to follow them or not, that is a different matter.

the bible consists of many truths -- as a lot of ancient doctrine -- and many 'truths' are echoed across different tongues and times.... so yes, I believe that religion is 'made in the image' of the bible, which was made in the image of truth.

i also recognize that 'constitutions' manipulate truth, and the bible itself, for worldly benefit.... such as your allusion to constantine -- council of nicea /etc.

but it can all be validated with discernment man...loving thy neighbor makes sense in science, theology, and across all religions or worldviews.. it just makes sense.... again, doesnt mean we do it or do it all the time ---

but the "evidence" is evident all around us, everywhere, at all times.

[uh-oh]

listen here you filthy hippy

im to high for your nonsensical SPEAK

yes the bible has messages within it that are great or whatever universal "goods''

these ideas/messages don't originate from the bible, the bible didnt create "religion"

thtas what i was talking about.

now i'm going to watch the draft. <3

[namix]

listen here you filthy hippy

im to high for your nonsensical SPEAK

yes the bible has messages within it that are great or whatever universal "goods''

these ideas/messages don't originate from the bible, the bible didnt create "religion"

thtas what i was talking about.

now i'm going to watch the draft. <3

you are too high to understand what i am talking about... i am saying the fucking same thing dude. Religions anchored themselves to ancient doctrine that had those "universal goods" DOCUMENTED.

and the ideas/messages don't originate from the bible - agreed. They come from within. someone fucking documented them.

we should be able to use fewer keystrokes when agreeing with eachother you fucking filthy like-minded hippy.

i am watching the draft, too lol.

[zygote]

Uh-oh I was once a misguided soul like you. Cynicism and false-rationalities kept me blind to His Truth. The Judaeo-Christian God exists. His evidence surrounds us - a pleasant breeze on a warm summer’s day, a newborn’s smiling face, a good bowl of cucumber broth. God loves you individually and unconditionally. Kneel at His feet at allow His abundance of blessings to trickle down upon your countenance. Accept the Christ Lord into your soul, and into your self. Hallelujah and Hosanna on High!

[namix]

Uh-oh I was once a misguided soul like you. Cynicism and false-rationalities kept me blind to His Truth. The Judaeo-Christian God exists. His evidence surrounds us - a pleasant breeze on a warm summer’s day, a newborn’s smiling face, a good bowl of cucumber broth. God loves you individually and unconditionally. Kneel at His feet at allow His abundance of blessings to trickle down upon your countenance. Accept the Christ Lord into your soul, and into your self. Hallelujah and Hosanna on High!

wow.

whether sarcastic or sincere, it was awesome.

[veritas]

Uh oh....

Do you check the stability of every chair you plan to sit in...before you sit in it?

No....you dont. You exercise blind faith.

You have more blind faith than I do...BECUASE NO ONE HAS EVER SAID THEY SAW A MONKEY TURN INTO A MAN. NO ONE. EVER.

[Masaii]

BECUASE NO ONE HAS EVER SAID THEY SAW A MONKEY TURN INTO A MAN. NO ONE. EVER.

I once saw this man aged 1,000,000 years old he saw it over a progressive period. Think his name was science. Although he didn't really see it, its just a theory of his. But I mean, MUST BE LEGIT BECAUSE ITS A GOOD THEORY RIGHT?

[millz]

This is starting to turn into great comedy.


You guys bring the snakes. I'll supply the blood.

[veritas]

Whats funny?

Has anyobe anywhere at anytime ever see a monkey turn into a man?

Or how bout even one of those *supposed* in between stages walking around?

[Masaii]

The only beef I have with science is that everything is a theory. Its not 100%. So therefore it still requires a little bit of faith, which is ironically what they are against. Seems legit.

[millz]

Evolution happens over a vast amount of time. Something that would be impossible for 1 person to witness. But it's at least plausible.


You know what is not plausible putting 2 of every creature into a wooden ship that measure 450ft by 75ft by 45ft.

The logistics of that is not possible. We can easily verify that. Not to mention that if say all of mankind either spawned from 2 people or was again spawned from a small family. We can scientifically show the effects caused by inbredding in both animals and humans.



You ever met a man that's 900+ years of age?

[veritas]

So at what point in the millions of years did monkeys stop evolving bro?

I mean in all of our recorded history wouldnt one person have seen it once?

[MonkTheOracle]

this was going in a good direction, now it got kinda stupid

[millz]

So at what point in the millions of years did monkeys stop evolving bro?

I mean in all of our recorded history wouldnt one person have seen it once?



Who says that they have stopped evolving?




What about the direct evidence that proves earth is more than 6000 years old??????

[millz]

"This surprisingly common argument reflects several levels of ignorance about evolution. The first mistake is that evolution does not teach that humans descended from monkeys; it states that both have a common ancestor.

The deeper error is that this objection is tantamount to asking, "If children descended from adults, why are there still adults?" New species evolve by splintering off from established ones, when populations of organisms become isolated from the main branch of their family and acquire sufficient differences to remain forever distinct. The parent species may survive indefinitely thereafter, or it may become extinct."






There's a solid answer to your monkey questions

[uh-oh]

if i had a bible i would throw it into SPACE

gravity is just a theory after all, its not like its a known truth or anything

[millz]

if i had a bible i would throw it into SPACE

gravity is just a theory after all, its not like its a known truth or anything



God would return it... IN 3 DAYS

[Masaii]

Science still cant explain what gravity is

[Diode]

lol @ stopped evolving

evolution takes tens of thousands of years, though it has been observed in our lifetime.

the written record goes back far less than that

[Diode]

Science still cant explain what gravity is

false.

if you said dark matter, you'd have a valid point.

[Masaii]

false.

if you said dark matter, you'd have a valid point.

No, science cannot prove what the force is that is gravity.

If i am wrong which im not, post credible links and ill take it and read it and if youre right then ill rep.

[Split]

B-mode polarization Diode ?

[Diode]

B-mode polarization Diode ?

i am very excited for this.

creationists will still deny though.

[Diode]

anyway, doubting that masaii is aware, so:

http://time.com/24894/gravity-waves-expanding-universe/

[King Ra.]

V/gravity

[Split]

the Higgs boson is closer to finding actual proof tho, right?

[millz]

You guys and your science.

[veritas]

millz and diode.

that does not answer the monkey question.

your blind faith in human science is laughable and misguided.

you should slipstream before I whitehole this thread.

[millz]

It absolutely does answer the monkey question.

Evolution does not say that that monkeys turned Into humans directly. It just says that we share a common ancestor.


There are numerous fossil records that prove evolution exists.


The only person in this conversation with blind faith is you.

I've known diode for almost 10 years now, and while we both believe in evolution and science neither of us would refute a new scientific discovery that challenged or evolved an already existing idea. Scientific theory can never become law, but it can to an extent be verified and and tested.



Where on the other hand. You couldnt possibly ever change your mind.

Every person in this thread whether it was me, diode, or uh oh have directly answered your questions. You on the other hand have not even remotely came close to answering any question that was posed to you.


The bible is a great document, specifically the New Testament. The bible is also a flawed document, specifically the Old Testament and some people are so blind to reality that it's scary.

So when you come down with some crazy illness you can cut off as many chicken heads you want, sacrifice as many lambs as you wish, and pray until your little heart gives out.

I'll go see a doctor and take my antibiotics prescribed by that "scientist".


Let's see which one of us makes it out ok.

[veritas]

It absolutely does answer the monkey question.

Evolution does not say that that monkeys turned Into humans directly. It just says that we share a common ancestor.


There are numerous fossil records that prove evolution exists.


The only person in this conversation with blind faith is you.

I've known diode for almost 10 years now, and while we both believe in evolution and science neither of us would refute a new scientific discovery that challenged or evolved an already existing idea. Scientific theory can never become law, but it can to an extent be verified and and tested.



Where on the other hand. You couldnt possibly ever change your mind ever.

Every person in this thread whether it was me, diode, or uh oh have directly answered your questions. You on the other hand have not even remotely came close to answering any question that was posed to you.


The bible is a great document, specifically the New Testament. The bible is also a flawed document, specifically the Old Testament and some people are so blind to reality that it's scary.

So when you come down with some crazy illness you can cut of as many chicken heads you want, sacrifice as many lambs as you wish, and pray until your little heart gives out.

I'll go see a doctor and take my antibiotics prescribed by that "scientist".


Let's see which one of us makes it out ok.


Dont get mad buddy...but you are wrong. Amd contradictory.

Says we dont come from monkeys but we and monkeys have common ancestor.

Where did this common ancestor come from?

[millz]

You sir are helpless. I will pray for you.

[veritas]

Dodge.

Where did our common ancestor come from?

[millz]

You've dodged about 10?'s. So why don't you go ahead and get a start on answering some of them

[veritas]

Wrong. I have merely pointed out your cobtradictions.


If we did not evolve from monkeys what was our common ancestor and where did that come from?

[millz]

Again you continue to dodge questions.

[veritas]

wrong. you stated that I had blind faith. You stated that there was a bunch of science to disprove the Bible yet produced none.

plus, I know what I believe, but I am now certain that you do not know what you believe or at least why you believe it, as you parrot to me other's ideas, and not the discovery of truth a man should attain to.....so you are a sheep of an agenda.

prove me wrong sheep and answer 2 questions:

1. what is our common ancestor if it is not a monkey>?
2. where did our common ancestor come from?

[millz]

Again. Not answering questions.




Prove to me the logistics behind the story of Noah's ark. Explain that.


Explain to me logically how the universe was created

Explain to me logically how human life began




The difference between science and the bible and people like you is this.


Science doesn't pretend it has all the answers. It's ever changing. It does real world tests to prove and search for answers.

It has a specific method for testing things and science is not afraid of the unknown. They are constantly growing a better understanding for all answers. Including where did life come from.


Where as people like you think in this method.

Why did it rain today? Your first solution is a simple one. GOD made it rain.
Why is the sky blue? Because god made it that way.

How was the universe created? I don't know god must of done it.

Science is based upon intelligence, understanding, and a thirst for knowledge and your philosophy is based upon fear of the unknown, stupidity and lack of complex analysis.

[uh-oh]

veritas our common ancestor was an ape

what is your point

millz stop this nonsense. you cannot engage him like this. i made this thread to politely engage in religious discussions with him in an effort to coax out why he thinks what he thinks. but you RUINED IT bro. i don't blame you. you are unfamiliar with the anomaly that is veritas. but word. thread failed

[Witty]

@Veritas we did not evolve from monkeys nor do we share a common ancestor with them...we are great apes and share a common ancestor with other great apes...chimps, bonobos, Oranguatans.

[millz]

veritas our common ancestor was an ape

what is your point

millz stop this nonsense. you cannot engage him like this. i made this thread to politely engage in religious discussions with him in an effort to coax out why he thinks what he thinks. but you RUINED IT bro. i don't blame you. you are unfamiliar with the anomaly that is veritas. but word. thread failed



Well I apologize.

[uh-oh]

its ok. my method was failing anyways as he was ignoring my questions and redirecting them and talking to namix instead. i have given up hope in showing veritas to the light.

[millz]

Let's talk about the church of football.


I'm stoked about the Cowboys first 2 picks. They will both be monsters. People are pissed we didn't go dline in round 1. What they fail to realize is we've added a ton of dline to the roster that didn't play last year. Anthony spencer and Tyrone Crawford are both solid and Crawford potential is huge. They were hurt last year. Added henry Melton who is a perfect 3tech. Added mincey who will be a solid role player and drafted demarcus lawrence who had 34 sacks in 32 college games.

So we got 5 new dline from last season. Lol


I like your first 2 picks though. Mosley is nice and Jernigan will be a monster.

[veritas]

you are all unwise, and sheep.

in fact, you all even DISAGREE ON WHO/WHAT OUR COMMON ANCESTOR WAS.


ROFFFFLZLZLZLZLL

AND UH-OH: I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTIONS, YOU JUST DIDNT LIKE THE ANSWERS.

[veritas]

uhoh:

if you wanted to "coax" out why I think the way I do...why did you just not ask?

smh.

[Witty]

you are all unwise, and sheep.

in fact, you all even DISAGREE ON WHO/WHAT OUR COMMON ANCESTOR WAS.


ROFFFFLZLZLZLZLL

AND UH-OH: I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTIONS, YOU JUST DIDNT LIKE THE ANSWERS.

There is no disagreement...we share a common ancestor with the great apes...there is no other theory that suggests we come from monkeys at all.

As for the sheep comment...pls Veritas...you are following scripture...you are GOD'S SHEEP...IT SAYS SO IN THE BIBLE BRO.

Use da sheep...following nothing based on nothing that will lead to nothing.

[veritas]

witty: dead.

evolution states that nothing working upon by nothing made everything.

now....simple question: where did the great apes come from?

[Witty]

witty: dead.

evolution states that nothing working upon by nothing made everything.

now....simple question: where did the great apes come from?

Ummm you need a better understanding of evolution, because it does not state that at all tbh. It is a gradual series of processes.

The great apes came from their ancestors which have long since gone extinct.

We have many fossils showing ancestors of all great apes, including humans, we just haven't found the common ancestor though we have found many links on that chain, including Ardipithecus kadabba, Orrorin tugenensis, Sahelanthropus tchadensis...Science is a process of finding evidence and figuring out the facts from that evidence...it does not claim to know everything, as your book does, but instead finds evidence in the natural world and comes to conclusions based on that evidence...there is no shame on a scientist to say they don't know, because it really only means they don't know yet...we have been studying for a couple hundred years a process that has been happening for millions upon millions of years, only one as arrogant as the faithful believer in God demands to know everything right now. If you are disbelieving all the evidence there is for evolution based on one piece of evidence that hasn't been found then shame on you for your foolishness, that is like saying aliens don't exist because it's 2014 and we still haven't seen any...if this is what you base your belief on then your 'proof' for God is gonna get less and less over the years as we discover more and more.

The God of the gaps is my favourite God...it is so silly.

[veritas]

Ardipithecus kadabba, Orrorin tugenensis, Sahelanthropus tchadensis...

where did they come from?

[veritas]

LOLOLOLZZZZ I HAVE A BETTER GRASP OF EVOLUTIOM THEN THE EVOLUTIONISTS!!!!

[Witty]

Ardipithecus kadabba, Orrorin tugenensis, Sahelanthropus tchadensis...

where did they come from?

They came from their ancestors.

This really isn't a difficult thing Veritas...it's the same answer every time.

Ask me where their ancestors came from.

[Witty]

LOLOLOLZZZZ I HAVE A BETTER GRASP OF EVOLUTIOM THEN THE EVOLUTIONISTS!!!!

I doubt it with the 'evolution says nothing came from nothing and made something' comment.

And also the fact that you thought evolution says we descended from monkeys...my little brother knows that isn't what evolution says.

[veritas]

They came from their ancestors.

This really isn't a difficult thing Veritas...it's the same answer every time.

Ask me where their ancestors came from.

where did their ancestors come from?

[veritas]

ITT: EVOLUTIONISTS ONLY PROVE THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT.

WAIT FOR IT.

[Witty]

Btw I am no 'evolutionist' I just went to school and like to know facts rather than fairy tales created for cave children thousands of years ago.

Show me evidence that proves evolution is wrong, and I will not believe it..it's that simple.

Make me believe in your God Veritas...prove to me he exists with actual evidence from the natural world (as science has the courtesy to do) and I will believe it. Show me a book written by man thousands of years before modern physics was even thought of, before there was even such thing as science, and try to tell me that details how the universe and everything in it works and why..and I will laugh at you.

[Witty]

where did their ancestors come from?

Their ancestors.

Do you know how sex works Veritas?

Reproduction?

Genetic mutations?

[Witty]

He's doing the LOLOLOLOL YOU GUYS ARE SO DUMB thing because he doesn't actually have a counter argument and no basis for his entire belief system...so he resorts to childishness.

You disappoint me Veritas...this is too easy.

[veritas]

I doubt it with the 'evolution says nothing came from nothing and made something' comment.

And also the fact that you thought evolution says we descended from monkeys...my little brother knows that isn't what evolution says.

PRETTY BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MONKEYS AND GREAT APES. DID THE GREAT APES COME FROM LESS GREAT APES? MEDIOCRE APES? WHERE DID TEH GRAPE APE COME FROM?


AROJA;LAKJEK;LJA;IOBJIO;EJAGKLJ

[millz]

My only hope is that someday people like veritas will all eventually just die off.

[veritas]

Their ancestors.

Do you know how sex works Veritas?

Reproduction?

Genetic mutations?


MUTUATION ONLY BRINGS ABOUT DEFECTS AND ABNORMALITIES....LIKE PRESENT DAY INCEST.

WHERE DID THEIR ANCESTORS COME FROM?

[Witty]

PRETTY BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MONKEYS AND GREAT APES. DID THE GREAT APES COME FROM LESS GREAT APES? MEDIOCRE APES? WHERE DID TEH GRAPE APE COME FROM?


AROJA;LAKJEK;LJA;IOBJIO;EJAGKLJ

He's doing the LOLOLOLOL YOU GUYS ARE SO DUMB thing because he doesn't actually have a counter argument and no basis for his entire belief system...so he resorts to childishness.

You disappoint me Veritas...this is too easy.

[veritas]

My only hope is that someday people like veritas will all eventually just die off.

PEOPLE WHO YOU CANNOT SILENCE. WHO CAN USE THEIR MINDS TO DISCERN THAT YOU KNOW NOT THAT OF WHICH YOU SPEAK?

WE ARE ALL EVOLVING RIGHT? IT SURE LOOKS LIKE IDIOCRACY TO ME?

[millz]

MUTUATION ONLY BRINGS ABOUT DEFECTS AND ABNORMALITIES....LIKE PRESENT DAY INCEST.

WHERE DID THEIR ANCESTORS COME FROM?




Present day incest is different than Adam and Eve incest right?

[Witty]

MUTUATION ONLY BRINGS ABOUT DEFECTS AND ABNORMALITIES....LIKE PRESENT DAY INCEST.

WHERE DID THEIR ANCESTORS COME FROM?

And what exactly do you think caused evolution? Mutations...defects, abnormalities...the beneficial mutations survived, the non-beneficial mutations went down an evolutionary cul-de-sac and died out.

This is pretty basic stuff V, I grow tired...you need to show a better comprehension of evolution (plus your own religion) before I waste my time with you.

[veritas]

He's doing the LOLOLOLOL YOU GUYS ARE SO DUMB thing because he doesn't actually have a counter argument and no basis for his entire belief system...so he resorts to childishness.

You disappoint me Veritas...this is too easy.

WITTY SAYS I HAVE NO BASIS FOR MY BELIEF SYSTEM. BUT I DO. AND I KNOW IT.

WITTY BELIEVES IN EVOLUTION, BUT CONTRADICTS OTHER EVOLTIONISTS IN SAME THREAD.

WITTY: WHERE DID THE FIRST GREAT APE ANCESTOR COME FROM?

NOT CHILDNESS...SERIOUS. A SIMPLE QUESTION. CHILDNESS IS SAYING "THIS IS TOO EASY" WHILE LOSING.

[Split]

ITT Veritas cannot comprehend the idea that some are better suited for survival than others and its because of their genetics

[Split]

Childness

[Witty]

WITTY SAYS I HAVE NO BASIS FOR MY BELIEF SYSTEM. BUT I DO. AND I KNOW IT.

WITTY BELIEVES IN EVOLUTION, BUT CONTRADICTS OTHER EVOLTIONISTS IN SAME THREAD.

WITTY: WHERE DID THE FIRST GREAT APE ANCESTOR COME FROM?

NOT CHILDNESS...SERIOUS. A SIMPLE QUESTION. CHILDNESS IS SAYING "THIS IS TOO EASY" WHILE LOSING.

I don't know where the first ancestor came from.

I didn't contradict anyone..if someone in here was implying we evolved from monkeys they are wrong...there is no contradiction, there is only a misunderstanding of evolution.

[veritas]

And what exactly do you think caused evolution? Mutations...defects, abnormalities...the beneficial mutations survived, the non-beneficial mutations went down an evolutionary cul-de-sac and died out.

This is pretty basic stuff V, I grow tired...you need to show a better comprehension of evolution (plus your own religion) before I waste my time with you.

YOU THINK THIS IS THE X-MEN? RIOLFAKLFJ;LADSJKLFJAKLJ.....SO NOW, ALL MUTATIONS ARE BAD? BUT SOME MUTATIONS AT SOME POINT IN HISTORY WERE GOOD? GENETICS JUST CHANGED?

A MUTATION IS A NEGATIVE THING BRO.

DON'T GROW TIRED. DAD IS JUST PULLING THE BELT OUT.

ANSWER MY QUESTIONS CONCERNING OUR ORIGINS. WHERE DO WE COME FROM, IF NOT MADE OF GOD?

[veritas]

I don't know where the first ancestor came from.

.



DOES NOT KNOW WHERE FIRST ANCESTOR CAME FROM. KNOWS IT IS NOT A MONKEY, KNOWS THAT GOD DID NOT MAKE IT. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS YOUR HONOR.

NEXT?

[veritas]

I don't know where the first ancestor came from.

I didn't contradict anyone..if someone in here was implying we evolved from monkeys they are wrong...there is no contradiction, there is only a misunderstanding of evolution.

ITP: WITTY STATES THAT OTHER EVOLUTIONERS CONTRADICT HIS UNDERSTANDING OF EVOLUTION.

[veritas]

I don't know where the first ancestor came from.

I didn't contradict anyone..if someone in here was implying we evolved from monkeys they are wrong...there is no contradiction, there is only a misunderstanding of evolution.

ITP: WITTY SAYS MILLZ DOESNT KNOW WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT.

[Destroyer]

both us and monkeys evolved from a common ancestor
there is no god
veritas is proof of that

[Witty]

YOU THINK THIS IS THE X-MEN? RIOLFAKLFJ;LADSJKLFJAKLJ.....SO NOW, ALL MUTATIONS ARE BAD? BUT SOME MUTATIONS AT SOME POINT IN HISTORY WERE GOOD? GENETICS JUST CHANGED?

A MUTATION IS A NEGATIVE THING BRO.

DON'T GROW TIRED. DAD IS JUST PULLING THE BELT OUT.

ANSWER MY QUESTIONS CONCERNING OUR ORIGINS. WHERE DO WE COME FROM, IF NOT MADE OF GOD?

Why are all mutations bad?

lol please explain that sentence.

Also, I dunno our common ancestor...nobody does, we are still looking for it.

But that doesn't add any weight to the idea that an invisible sky daddy is looking over all of us...there is still 0 evidence for that.

Creationists always do this when they lose...'you can't prove everything yet so we must be right, even though we can't prove anything ever'

Just because we are still looking for answers doesn't add any weight to your belief, it is still ridiculous. As I said before, if this is what you base your belief on then the basis for your belief is dwindling by the year my friend.

[Witty]

ITP: WITTY STATES THAT OTHER EVOLUTIONERS CONTRADICT HIS UNDERSTANDING OF EVOLUTION.

It's not my understanding lol it is the Theory of Evolution.

You should educate yourself.

[Destroyer]

it's not a theory, it's a fact

[Witty]

DOES NOT KNOW WHERE FIRST ANCESTOR CAME FROM. KNOWS IT IS NOT A MONKEY, KNOWS THAT GOD DID NOT MAKE IT. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS YOUR HONOR.

NEXT?

No scientist has ever said it was a monkey lol fuck u talking about bro?

I dunno that God doesn't exist...I just have not seen any proof and have no reason to believe that he does...give me a reason...show me he exists, give me your proof.

You are failing very bad right now Veritas.

[Destroyer]

upping

[Witty]

it's not a theory, it's a fact

Our understanding of the word theory and the scientific meaning of the word theory are not the same.

Gravity is a theory too.

[Destroyer]

yes I suppose all things that haven't been proven false are theories technically
but they are also facts, IMO

[Witty]

"A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method, and repeatedly confirmed through observation and experimentation. As with most (if not all) forms of scientific knowledge, scientific theories are inductive in nature and aim for predictive power and explanatory force.

The strength of a scientific theory is related to the diversity of phenomena it can explain, and to its elegance and simplicity (Occam's razor). As additional scientific evidence is gathered, a scientific theory may be rejected or modified if it does not fit the new empirical findings- in such circumstances, a more accurate theory is then desired. In certain cases, the less-accurate unmodified scientific theory can still be treated as a theory if it is useful (due to its sheer simplicity) as an approximation under specific conditions (e.g. Newton's laws of motion as an approximation to special relativity at velocities which are small relative to the speed of light).

Scientific theories are testable and make falsifiable predictions. They describe the causal elements responsible for a particular natural phenomenon, and are used to explain and predict aspects of the physical universe or specific areas of inquiry (e.g. electricity, chemistry, astronomy). Scientists use theories as a foundation to gain further scientific knowledge, as well as to accomplish goals such as inventing technology or curing disease. Scientific theories are the most reliable, rigorous, and comprehensive form of scientific knowledge. This is significantly different from the common usage of the word "theory", which implies that something is a guess (i.e., unsubstantiated and speculative)."
The Mind Assassin provide me with evidence of God that has gone through this process and I will take you seriously.

Otherwise, stop wasting my time pls.

[Destroyer]

all I read was "veritas is dumb as fuck"

[veritas]

witty: I will be gentle:


you have never seen any proof of God, but you choose to believe in evolution, the same of which you have never seen any proof. you are not winning. trust me.

you yourself stated that you do not know where man came from. YOU SAID THAT. but you know that it aint God right>? lol.

shout out to destro.

[Destroyer]

dog breeding shows proof of evolution brah

[millz]

Veritas believes that a lack of evidence is the evidence that god exists. But condemns a theory for a lack of evidence.



Circular logic is circular.

[veritas]

science:

you are talking to a behavioral scientist. I have conducted research. I understand it...better than you, trust.

I know 2 things: the hawthorne effect, and correlation does not equal causation.

mull that over.

the truth is you have no idea of what you are talking about.


EITHER GOD MADE US OR WE EVOLVED IS THE ONLY OPTIONS WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN FOR OUR EXISTENCE. UNLESS YOU CAN PROVIDE ME WITH A THIRD ONE.

ALL EVOLUTIONISTS WILL EVENTUALLY ADMIT, THAT THEY DO NOT KNOW WHERE WE CAME FROM.

RICHARD DAWKINS SAID ALIENS SEEDED OUR PLANET....WELL WHERE DID THE ALIENS COME FROM>

CANT BE GOD.

ROIJEKOJLK;ADJK;LFJKLJADKJFKLJDKLJFADSKLJLFKADJK;L FJ

[veritas]

dog breeding shows proof of evolution brah

THAT IS NOT EVOLUTION AS I AM TALKING ABOUT.

THAT IS SELECTIVE ADAPTATION THROUGH GENETIC TRAIT ENGENEERING...LIKE MENDEL'S PEA PODS.


MY GOD....NONE OF THESE ENLIGHTENED SOULS ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT

MWHAHAHAHAHHAA....

JESUS: THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE. NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER BUT THROUGH HIM. WE ARE ALL SINNERS. ACCEPT THIS FACT AND LIVE.

JESUS DIED FOR US. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS BELIEVE.

[Destroyer]

they came from bacteria brah
hey, where did god come from bro?

[Destroyer]

The word 'evolution' just means *change to the genetics of a population over time*. So dog breeding is absolutely an example of evolution in action.

More specifically, it is the act of humans *manipulating* evolution by controlling the reproductive environment.

So if one were to design a *scientific experiment* to test the theory of evolution by natural selection, it would look like this:
1. Pick a species and divide it up into separated populations.
2. Subject each sub-population to different selective pressures. I.e. pick certain traits that determine which individuals get to reproduce more.
3. Allow this to continue for many generations.

If the theory of evolution by natural selection is false ... then there would be no visible changes to the population even over many generations.

If the theory of evolution by natural selection is true ... then the different populations will show noticeable differences in their physical traits ... traits that continue to be passed on through inheritance.

---

People who reply that "a dog is still a dog" are MISSING THE POINT!

Dog breeding demonstrates conclusively that genetics can change *dramatically* in even a tiny amount of geologic time, if there is a strong enough selective pressure.

That IS evolution, as defined by the people (i.e. scientists) who support it.

It is irrelevant how people who *disagree* with evolution want to re-define the word 'evolution' in order to reject it. What matters is how people who *accept* evolution define the concept THEY THEMSELVES ACCEPT!

So dog breeding demonstrates EVOLUTION IN ACTION ... as the word 'evolution' is defined by those who accept it as a fundamental principle of biology.

Dog breeding is an *EXPERIMENT* that confirms the basic principles of the theory.

It demonstrates conclusively that even a short amount of time can produce a significant amount of evolution *if the selective pressure is strong enough*.

So this explains why HUGE amounts of time can produce HUGE amounts of evolution ... if there is *selection*!

Dog breeding explains why this *can* happen. But that is not the only evidence that it *has* happened. That is where all the other evidence (fossils, DNA, proteins, genes, embyology, morphology, biogeography, etc. etc.) comes into play.


People who oppose evolution can't just separate *cause* from *effect*, by fiat.

Selection is the cause. Evolution is the effect. You can't just declare by fiat that X amount of evolution is a reasonable effect, but 2X or 100X amount of evolution is not.

[veritas]

Veritas believes that a lack of evidence is the evidence that god exists. But condemns a theory for a lack of evidence.



Circular logic is circular.

WRONG AGAIN.

YOU SHOULD LEAVE THE THREAD BECAUSE THE OTHER EVOLUTIONIST WITTY SAID THAT YOU WERE WRONG AND I DON'T WANT YALL TO ARUGE ABOUT WHO IS RIGHT.

I AM SAYING THAT WE ARE ONLY GIVEN 2 CHOICES: GOD OR EVOLUTION. AND EVERYTHING YOU SAY I USE TO BELIEVE MY BELIEFS AND MAKE FUN OF....YOU DO THE SAME THING.

THE KILL IS THAT NONE OF YOU KNOW HOW, WHERE, WHEN, AND WHY, ANY OF THIS LIFE CAME TO BE....BUT IT CAN'T BE GOD!@@@@

RIOJAEOIJK;LAFJK;LGJK;LAJRLKGJKLRJK;GLA.

AGENDA2014

[Witty]

witty: I will be gentle:


you have never seen any proof of God, but you choose to believe in evolution, the same of which you have never seen any proof. you are not winning. trust me.

you yourself stated that you do not know where man came from. YOU SAID THAT. but you know that it aint God right>? lol.

shout out to destro.

I have seen proof of evolution....what do you think fossils are lmao

I stated I do not know the common ancestor between humans and other great apes, I have seen plenty of evidence that we evolved from apes tho, the fossil records, there are literally thousands, the fact that we share DNA and so many traits that are not found in any creatures other than great apes...evolution is fact, it happens. I don't know that some sort of super natural power didn't put all of this in to motion, but I have seen no evidence to suggest it did so why would I take it seriously? I do KNOW that an interventionist God such as the one you suscribe to does not exist, because the books that were written about him have been proven to be scientifically baseless...they are fairy tales, you believe in children's stories and myths.

Basically....I could say Harry Potter created the universe and I would have as much 'evidence' to show for that belief as you do for your belief in God...a book, nothing more.

[veritas]

they came from bacteria brah
hey, where did god come from bro?

WHERE DID THE BACTERIA COME FROM?

[Witty]

Veritas jimmies getting mad rustled yo lmao

TYPE BIGGER BRO, MAYBE THEN PEOPLE WILL TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY.

[Destroyer]

WHERE DID THE BACTERIA COME FROM?


from space brah

[Witty]

WHERE DID THE BACTERIA COME FROM?

Where did God come from?

[veritas]

I have seen proof of evolution....what do you think fossils are lmao

I stated I do not know the common ancestor between humans and other great apes, I have seen plenty of evidence that we evolved from apes tho, the fossil records, there are literally thousands, the fact that we share DNA and so many traits that are not found in any creatures other than great apes...evolution is fact, it happens. I don't know that some sort of super natural power didn't put all of this in to motion, but I have seen no evidence to suggest it did so why would I take it seriously? I do KNOW that an interventionist God such as the one you suscribe to does not exist, because the books that were written about him have been proven to be scientifically baseless...they are fairy tales, you believe in children's stories and myths.

Basically....I could say Harry Potter created the universe and I would have as much 'evidence' to show for that belief as you do for your belief in God...a book, nothing more.

in this post:

witty states that a theory is a fact. witty forgets that ALL fossils only come from the top layer of the earths crust....which is shady.

he doesn't know if a supernatural power but all this into motion because he hasn't seen it....but he hasn't seen evolution.....where is the missing link. show me proof of one person ever showing proof of one thing ever changing genetically from one creature to another ever in time.

I will wait.


just have faith.....like you do that we evolved from great apes.

[veritas]

Where did God come from?

where did the bacteria come from?

[veritas]

The word 'evolution' just means *change to the genetics of a population over time*. So dog breeding is absolutely an example of evolution in action.

More specifically, it is the act of humans *manipulating* evolution by controlling the reproductive environment.

So if one were to design a *scientific experiment* to test the theory of evolution by natural selection, it would look like this:
1. Pick a species and divide it up into separated populations.
2. Subject each sub-population to different selective pressures. I.e. pick certain traits that determine which individuals get to reproduce more.
3. Allow this to continue for many generations.

If the theory of evolution by natural selection is false ... then there would be no visible changes to the population even over many generations.

If the theory of evolution by natural selection is true ... then the different populations will show noticeable differences in their physical traits ... traits that continue to be passed on through inheritance.

---

People who reply that "a dog is still a dog" are MISSING THE POINT!

Dog breeding demonstrates conclusively that genetics can change *dramatically* in even a tiny amount of geologic time, if there is a strong enough selective pressure.

That IS evolution, as defined by the people (i.e. scientists) who support it.

It is irrelevant how people who *disagree* with evolution want to re-define the word 'evolution' in order to reject it. What matters is how people who *accept* evolution define the concept THEY THEMSELVES ACCEPT!

So dog breeding demonstrates EVOLUTION IN ACTION ... as the word 'evolution' is defined by those who accept it as a fundamental principle of biology.

Dog breeding is an *EXPERIMENT* that confirms the basic principles of the theory.

It demonstrates conclusively that even a short amount of time can produce a significant amount of evolution *if the selective pressure is strong enough*.

So this explains why HUGE amounts of time can produce HUGE amounts of evolution ... if there is *selection*!

Dog breeding explains why this *can* happen. But that is not the only evidence that it *has* happened. That is where all the other evidence (fossils, DNA, proteins, genes, embyology, morphology, biogeography, etc. etc.) comes into play.


People who oppose evolution can't just separate *cause* from *effect*, by fiat.

Selection is the cause. Evolution is the effect. You can't just declare by fiat that X amount of evolution is a reasonable effect, but 2X or 100X amount of evolution is not.



in this post: DESTORYER PROVES HE DOES NOT READ MY POSTS WHERE I SAID EARLIER THAT "THAT IS NOT EVOLUTION AS I AM TALKING ABOUT.

THAT IS SELECTIVE ADAPTATION THROUGH GENETIC TRAIT ENGENEERING...LIKE MENDEL'S PEA PODS.

COULD A FISH EVER TURN INTO A BIRD JUDE?

[Destroyer]

you didn't read it, or you'd have read this part

"It is irrelevant how people who *disagree* with evolution want to re-define the word 'evolution' in order to reject it. What matters is how people who *accept* evolution define the concept THEY THEMSELVES ACCEPT!"

[Witty]

where did the bacteria come from?

I don't know...yet.

As I said it is a coninual process of learning and understanding.

Your belief is not, your belief says 'This is how it was, how it is, and how it always will be'

So you should be able to tell me where God came from.

Why did your God create so many other galaxies?

Why did your God leave dinosaur fossils and not mention them in the bible?

Why did your God leave evidence of evolution on the earth he created so that one day it could lead people to not believe his word?

Why did your God provide an innacurate portrayal of the movement of planets and stars?

Why did your God say the world was flat when it isn't?

Why did your God say everything that exists on earth has always existed in this way since being created by God when there is living evidence of animals evolving to suit their surroundings?

I think you will find there are a lot more questions you can not answer than there are questions science can not answer.

You laugh at others for believing something there is plenty of physical evidence for, yet you provide no argument as to why your belief should be taken seriously...you have a faith based on nothing other than a book...that's all you got.

[millz]

WRONG AGAIN.

YOU SHOULD LEAVE THE THREAD BECAUSE THE OTHER EVOLUTIONIST WITTY SAID THAT YOU WERE WRONG AND I DON'T WANT YALL TO ARUGE ABOUT WHO IS RIGHT.

I AM SAYING THAT WE ARE ONLY GIVEN 2 CHOICES: GOD OR EVOLUTION. AND EVERYTHING YOU SAY I USE TO BELIEVE MY BELIEFS AND MAKE FUN OF....YOU DO THE SAME THING.

THE KILL IS THAT NONE OF YOU KNOW HOW, WHERE, WHEN, AND WHY, ANY OF THIS LIFE CAME TO BE....BUT IT CAN'T BE GOD!@@@@

RIOJAEOIJK;LAFJK;LGJK;LAJRLKGJKLRJK;GLA.

AGENDA2014



Where did witty say I was wrong?

There is a huge difference between believing in evolution and believing in creation as the bible define it's. The universe was not created in 6 days. Adam didn't appear from nowhere and eve didn't come from his rib.

You can absolutely believe in evolution and believe in god. I am one of those that believe in both. The theory of evolution at this point isn't traceable all the way back to its origin. But there is millions of years of data that has been proof of its existence and everyday more and more proof is found. Whereas the story of creation in the bible is based EXACTLY ZERO proof. It's based upon the lack of proof by definition. There is tons of proof supporting evolution. There is not 1 ounce of proof for the creation story of the bible.

[Witty]

in this post: DESTORYER PROVES HE DOES NOT READ MY POSTS WHERE I SAID EARLIER THAT "THAT IS NOT EVOLUTION AS I AM TALKING ABOUT.

THAT IS SELECTIVE ADAPTATION THROUGH GENETIC TRAIT ENGENEERING...LIKE MENDEL'S PEA PODS.

COULD A FISH EVER TURN INTO A BIRD JUDE?

The fact you think fish turned into birds shows a basic misunderstanding of evolution.

You shouldn't argue about things when you clearly have no understanding of them, I have an extensive understanding of numerous religions and don't believe any of them, but I know that I have to understand what they teach otherwise how can I argue against them?

I am willing to bet I know much more about your book than you do, so please, read up on evolution as then come back to me.

[Split]

Looool

Gone @ the only two options for the origins of life being evolution and God

Gone @ God and evolution not being compatible


Gonegonegonegone @ anyone combing the bible or scientific principles for knowledge to justify their life philosophy

[veritas]

I don't know...yet.

As I said it is a coninual process of learning and understanding.

Your belief is not, your belief says 'This is how it was, how it is, and how it always will be'

So you should be able to tell me where God came from.

Why did your God create so many other galaxies?

Why did your God leave dinosaur fossils and not mention them in the bible?

Why did your God leave evidence of evolution on the earth he created so that one day it could lead people to not believe his word?

Why did your God provide an innacurate portrayal of the movement of planets and stars?

Why did your God say the world was round when it isn't?

Why did your God say everything that exists on earth has always existed in this way since being created by God when there is living evidence of animals evolving to suit their surroundings?

I think you will find there are a lot more questions you can not answer than there are questions science can not answer.

You laugh at others for believing something there is plenty of physical evidence for, yet you provide no argument as to why your belief should be taken seriously...you have a faith based on nothing other than a book...that's all you got.


EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID WAS WRONG. DID YOU REALLY JUST SAY THAT GOD SAID THE EARTH WAS ROUND WHEN IT WASNT. THE BIBLE SAID TEH EARTH WAS ROUND 1000S OF YEARS BEFORE YOUR "SCIENTISTS" DISCOVERED OTHERWISE....THEY STILL THOUGHT IT WAS FLAT.

YOU ARE NOT HELPING YOURSELF. YOU ARE BLINDED BY AN AGENDA.

I KEEP ON BRINGING IT UP TO GET YOU TO SEE: WHERE DID THE BACTERIA COME FROM? YOU DO NOT KNOW. IS IT POSSIBLE THAT GOD MADE IT?

[veritas]

Looool

Gone @ the only two options for the origins of life being evolution and God

Gone @ God and evolution not being compatible


Gonegonegonegone @ anyone combing the bible or scientific principles for knowledge to justify their life philosophy

THIS IS HALF OF MY POINT.

[Destroyer]

lol @ you thinking you know what the bible said 1000 years ago

[veritas]

The fact you think fish turned into birds shows a basic misunderstanding of evolution.

You shouldn't argue about things when you clearly have no understanding of them, I have an extensive understanding of numerous religions and don't believe any of them, but I know that I have to understand what they teach otherwise how can I argue against them?

I am willing to bet I know much more about your book than you do, so please, read up on evolution as then come back to me.

WAIT A MINUTE...YOUR PROPHET RICHARD DAWKINS GOT ON BILL MAHER AND SAID THAT WE ALL DESCENED FROM AFRICAN APES..THEN AT ANOTHER DATE GOT ON THERE AND SAID WE ALL DESCENDED FROM FISH.

CMON NOW MAN....YOU OBV NEED TO STUDY YOUR OWN HOLY AUTHORS MORE FULLY BEFORE YOU TRY AND CONVERT A HEATHEN LIKE MYSELF. ROFLAJE;LJLAKJLDFKJLAKJDLFJASL;F

[veritas]

Where did witty say I was wrong?

There is a huge difference between believing in evolution and believing in creation as the bible define it's. The universe was not created in 6 days. Adam didn't appear from nowhere and eve didn't come from his rib.

You can absolutely believe in evolution and believe in god. I am one of those that believe in both. The theory of evolution at this point isn't traceable all the way back to its origin. But there is millions of years of data that has been proof of its existence and everyday more and more proof is found. Whereas the story of creation in the bible is based EXACTLY ZERO proof. It's based upon the lack of proof by definition. There is tons of proof supporting evolution. There is not 1 ounce of proof for the creation story of the bible.

PALONIUM HALOS ARE ALL THE PROOF I NEED.

[veritas]

lol @ you thinking you know what the bible said 1000 years ago

I DO. BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN CARRIED DOWN AND PRESERVED....AT LEAST THE KJV HAS.

[Destroyer]

hey veritas, does god see evil go on and is just not powerful enough to stop it?
then he's not omniscient.
or does he just not care?
then he's not omnipotent.

[veritas]

LUKE 2115

For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.

THANK YOU JESUS REAL TALK.

[Witty]

EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID WAS WRONG. DID YOU REALLY JUST SAY THAT GOD SAID THE EARTH WAS ROUND WHEN IT WASNT. THE BIBLE SAID TEH EARTH WAS ROUND 1000S OF YEARS BEFORE YOUR "SCIENTISTS" DISCOVERED OTHERWISE....THEY STILL THOUGHT IT WAS FLAT.

YOU ARE NOT HELPING YOURSELF. YOU ARE BLINDED BY AN AGENDA.

I KEEP ON BRINGING IT UP TO GET YOU TO SEE: WHERE DID THE BACTERIA COME FROM? YOU DO NOT KNOW. IS IT POSSIBLE THAT GOD MADE IT?

I said round by mistake, edited before your post.

Also, scientists never thought the world was flat, or at least it was never the popular consensus whereas your book says...and I quote...

Daniel 4:10-11. In Daniel, the king “saw a tree of great height at the centre of the earth...reaching with its top to the sky and visible to the earth's farthest bounds.” ----- Impossible is the earth is round

Isaiah 11:12 "And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth."

Revelation 7:1 "And after these things I saw four angels standing on four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree." As with the Daniel quote, this cannot be taken literally; the events described in Revelation are a series of visions, rather than an accurate description of the world. So that's, um, one flat earth claim.

Now answer my other questions.

[veritas]

hey veritas, does god see evil go on and is just not powerful enough to stop it?
then he's not omniscient.
or does he just not care?
then he's not omnipotent.

DO NOT BRING YOUR BEEF WITH GOD INTO THE THREAD WHERE YOU ARE TRYING TO DISPROVE HIM ROJAFLJDK;LAJKLFDJKLFJ;AKLJ;LFAJDL

[Destroyer]

that's called a fallacy, not a belief
your god, the way you define him, by definition cannot exist
idiot

[Witty]

I DO. BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN CARRIED DOWN AND PRESERVED....AT LEAST THE KJV HAS.

DEADDDD

I have read a LOT of the original Ancient Hebrew and there are sooooo many errors, so many things that have completely different meanings when translated back to the Hebrew.

Srs V, it isn't good that I am more educated on your belief than you are.

[Hush]

God theory is as plausible as the young earth theory


Both sound dumb tho

[veritas]

I said round by mistake, edited before your post.

Also, scientists never thought the world was flat, or at least it was never the popular consensus whereas your book says...and I quote...

----- Impossible is the earth is round





Now answer my other questions.

YOU ERR IN THE SCRIPTURES. THAT IS A METAPHOR DUDE CMON.. YOU REACHING NOW.

HOWBOUT THIS...INSTEAD OF GOOGLING SCRIPTS TO FIT YOUR AGENDA, STUDY IT.

LESSON: YOU CAN MAKE THE BIBLE SAY ANYTHING YOU WANT, BUT YOU CANNOT MAKE IT SAY IT CONSISTENTLY IF IT DONT.

WATCH:

ISIAH 40:22

It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

P.S. YOU ALSO ERR IN YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF DIMENSIONS. READ FLATLAND AND THEN GET BACK TO ME. FOR GOD WHAT IS ROUND COULD VERY WELL EASILY BE FLAT AS WELL. I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT.

[Destroyer]

you know if a Mexican doesn't believe, you got problems V

[veritas]

God theory is as plausible as the young earth theory


Both sound dumb tho

THERE IS AN UNDETERMINED AMOUNT OF TIME IN BETWEEN GENESIS 1:1 AND 1:2.

THE EARTH WAS ALREADY HERE IN 1:1.....

I COULD EXPLAIN WHAT WAS GOING ON IF ANYONE CARED.

COME ONE COME ALL....ARGUE WITH TRUTH...REPLACE IT WITH MONKEY MEN, AND BACTERIA MAGICALLY APPEARING. PRANCE YOUR AGENDA AROUND, THAT YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN AND SAY I HAVE BLIND FAITH.


BRING IT.

[veritas]

you know if a Mexican doesn't believe, you got problems V

HUSH IS A FOOL WHO STILL LIES ON THE INTERNET ABOUT HIS LIFE. MEXICANS ARE MOSTLY CATHOLICS...WHICH DOES NOT MEAN CHRISTIAN.


KEEP EM COMING. NEXGT>?

I AM BOARDING ON PURE INSTINCT RIGHT NOW.

[veritas]

DEADDDD

I have read a LOT of the original Ancient Hebrew and there are sooooo many errors, so many things that have completely different meanings when translated back to the Hebrew.

Srs V, it isn't good that I am more educated on your belief than you are.

WRONG AGAIN!

YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT ORIGINATED YOUR BELIEF...YOU ADMIT YOU DO NOT KNOW WHERE IT ALL CAME FROM, THEN PROCEED TO TELL ME WHERE YOU KNOW IT DIDNT COME FROM@???

HLK;EJ;AKLJEK;LJAK;LJLFKJK;LAJEF;AE


THE PROBLEM IS NOT THE OLD TEXT...THE PROBLEM IS THE NEW TEXTS THEY ARE MAKING......DO YOU CARE?

[Destroyer]

catholic isn't Christian?
do tell

[Witty]

YOU ERR IN THE SCRIPTURES. THAT IS A METAPHOR DUDE CMON.. YOU REACHING NOW.

HOWBOUT THIS...INSTEAD OF GOOGLING SCRIPTS TO FIT YOUR AGENDA, STUDY IT.

LESSON: YOU CAN MAKE THE BIBLE SAY ANYTHING YOU WANT, BUT YOU CANNOT MAKE IT SAY IT CONSISTENTLY IF IT DONT.

WATCH:

ISIAH 40:22

It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

Well that's convenient lmao

Also, I have studied the bible for years upon years, I have sat with priests, pastors, rabbi's, I am very interested in the book, it is a work of art and a great historical source of literature and metaphors passed thru generations but it is not a literal explanation of how earth was created, and in fact never was thought of in that way until relatively recently.

Lmao @ you quoting Isiah when that book is considered one of the most metaphor laden book in the bible...wtf Veritas.

Also, how do you decide what is a metaphor and what is not? Also dead @ you can make the bible say anything you want...that's the problem, you shouldn't be able to do that with factual evidence.

Surely my 3 passages > your one passage.

Find me more...gogogogo.

[millz]

I have a logical question for you veritas. During the Great Flood in the story of Noah what happens with all the water creatures. More specifically if the entire world was covered by water what happens to all fresh water fish?

[Witty]

WRONG AGAIN!

YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT ORIGINATED YOUR BELIEF...YOU ADMIT YOU DO NOT KNOW WHERE IT ALL CAME FROM, THEN PROCEED TO TELL ME WHERE YOU KNOW IT DIDNT COME FROM@???

HLK;EJ;AKLJEK;LJAK;LJLFKJK;LAJEF;AE


THE PROBLEM IS NOT THE OLD TEXT...THE PROBLEM IS THE NEW TEXTS THEY ARE MAKING......DO YOU CARE?

Explain to me how I am wrong.

I have proof that words and full passages were mistranslated from Ancient Hebrew...some were even left out altogether....that doesn't seem very accurate to me.

[Hush]

THERE IS AN UNDETERMINED AMOUNT OF TIME IN BETWEEN GENESIS 1:1 AND 1:2.

THE EARTH WAS ALREADY HERE IN 1:1.....

I COULD EXPLAIN WHAT WAS GOING ON IF ANYONE CARED.

COME ONE COME ALL....ARGUE WITH TRUTH...REPLACE IT WITH MONKEY MEN, AND BACTERIA MAGICALLY APPEARING. PRANCE YOUR AGENDA AROUND, THAT YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN AND SAY I HAVE BLIND FAITH.


BRING IT.


This is the issue
Ur faith blinds u



I'm not saying I know god don't exist
I'm I am open to him existing

I am open to him not

I am inclined to him not


U blindly follow cuz u were raised to
Cuz it gives u comfort
Quiets ur fears



Pussy

[Witty]

THERE IS AN UNDETERMINED AMOUNT OF TIME IN BETWEEN GENESIS 1:1 AND 1:2.

THE EARTH WAS ALREADY HERE IN 1:1.....

I COULD EXPLAIN WHAT WAS GOING ON IF ANYONE CARED.


Where does it say this in the bible?

[Destroyer]

I could give a fuck what the bible says
it's a book written by men
at no point did god sit down and tell some dude what to write
it's called mythology
it's a story
people have always been afraid of the dark
and now, it's a tool for the rich to remain in power
don't rise up, turn the other cheek, you'll find your reward in afterlife
that's called a long con bro
nothing more

[Split]

RNA molecules can spontaneously form in volcanic vents. Biomaterials form in the interstellar space.

Several viruses can self-assemble, i.e. from a single RNA molecule can form their protective casing.

The environment of early Earth was conducive to trillions of billions of organic molecules spontaneously interacting and repurposing.

Scientists haven't made a protocell yet, but they've come close. The chaotic and volatile nature of the prehistoric oceans means there is an incredibly large range of possible conditions to account for in the lab... But if you can follow the tire tracks down to the edge of the shore at high tide and see they've been washed away, I mean...


I don't understand how religion is supposed to be appealing. Nobody wants to be saved. They want to save themselves.

[Witty]

I AM BOARDING ON PURE INSTINCT RIGHT NOW.

It is interesting you believe in instinct....so I take it you believe in genetic memory?

[Destroyer]

veritas, in your mind, are we all the devil trying to tempt you?

[Split]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofFhHcvasHA

[Split]

If you give someone some 2x4s, a hammer, and a nail- then hammer them together- do you have to build an entire house before they believe such a thing is possible?

Arguing from Ignorance

Explanation

Arguments from ignorance infer that a proposition is true from the fact that it is not known to be false. Not all arguments of this form are fallacious; if it is known that if the proposition were not true then it would have been disproven, then a valid argument from ignorance may be constructed. In other cases, though, arguments from ignorance are fallacious.
Example

(1) No one has been able to disprove the existence of God.
Therefore:
(2) God exists.
This argument is fallacious because the non-existence of God is perfectly consistent with no one having been able to prove God’s non-existence.



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[dead man]

Looool

Gone @ the only two options for the origins of life being evolution and God

Gone @ God and evolution not being compatible


Gonegonegonegone @ anyone combing the bible or scientific principles for knowledge to justify their life philosophy
solid

[Destroyer]

god as a concept is solid
the judeo-Christian god... not so much
sadly, I think that god is too small for this universe we occupy

[Witty]

I don't think God as a concept is all that solid at all tbh it is just something that as of yet has not been disproven, I don't write off the idea of God completely, but being a man of logic I do not see how the God of Christianity and The Theory of Evolution can go hand in hand, so I go with the one for which there is evidence.

God as a concept is really all God is, a concept...an idea, something that only exists because it can not be disproven. Evolution and God are not equal, there is evidence for evolution...it is accepted as fact and rightly so. Even if you do not believe evolution occured, this does not mean God exists as Veritas is trying to imply...evolution being disproven (if such a thing were to happen) would not validate the existence of God in any way, it would still only be a concept, because there is no proof.

[Witty]

Also, it always concerns me that Christians and other religions seem to think of science as some evil thing that is out to attack their faith...science is not a belief system, it was not set up to destroy faith but to answer the questions of our existence based on evidence from the natural world, it just so happens that the evidence which was found contradicts certain things in those religions that there is no evidence for.

They are not opposites of each other, they are not even related to each other at all...Religion is based on faith and spirituality, which is cool...believe what you want, but don't assume to know better than those who can actually demonstrate and show evidence for their theories.

[Split]

like most mainstream artists, religious organizations have to conform to what they believe most people want... their only purpose is self-preservation.

people don't realize that this stretches back to like, the dawn of civilization lol.


but like, the very core of the idea of God- is that there is some force that brings order out of chaos, which is the natural state of the universe. that's interesting to me.

[Witty]

like most mainstream artists, religious organizations have to conform to what they believe most people want... their only purpose is self-preservation.

people don't realize that this stretches back to like, the dawn of civilization lol.


but like, the very core of the idea of God- is that there is some force that brings order out of chaos, which is the natural state of the universe. that's interesting to me.

Maybe God is time.

[Destroyer]

yeah, but even science has a limit
we can't see past the Big Bang, so we have to assume that something was the initial cause.
not much other than god fits that bill

[Split]

Maybe God is time.


Maybe, I dunno


My personal opinion is that all of these things are super interesting but ultimately meaningless and a waste of time


more on the earliest forms of life


EDIT: nvm that dude was a crackpot

[Witty]

yeah, but even science has a limit
we can't see past the Big Bang, so we have to assume that something was the initial cause.
not much other than god fits that bill

That isn't science tho...that is speculation based on nothing.

It is more scientific to say 'As of right now, we do not know' than to say 'It must have been God'

We do not have to assume anything, we just have to keep looking for the answer, and until then, admit we don't know. As I said, there is no shame for a scientist to say he does not know something, because science is a gradual process of collecting evidence and forming theories...we are a young species and it would be stupid to expect us to have all the answers right now...but that goes no way in validating the existence of God.

That is the god of the gaps...and as time goes on, there will be less and less gaps for that God to fit in.

[Witty]

Also, the big bang is the limit at the moment.

At one time we thought the edge of earth was the limit, then we thought it was the edge of the solar system, then it was the edge of the galaxy, then it was the edge of our cluster of galaxies, then we found even more galaxy clusters...then we found superclusters....it is a process of learning.

[Destroyer]

why are you talking to me like you disagree with me?
we're on the same page
but the idea of god is pretty big and fits into a lot of areas since we know so little about them anyway
I'm not saying it's not a naive direction to go in, but I sadly don't think we will ever advance enough to go in another one

[veritas]

This is the issue
Ur faith blinds u



I'm not saying I know god don't exist
I'm I am open to him existing

I am open to him not

I am inclined to him not


U blindly follow cuz u were raised to
Cuz it gives u comfort
Quiets ur fears



Pussy

WRONG. I WAS RAISED CATHOLIC AND HATED IT. I STUDIED THE BIBLE TO DISPROVE IT. IT OVERTOOK ME.

[Witty]

why are you talking to me like you disagree with me?
we're on the same page
but the idea of god is pretty big and fits into a lot of areas since we know so little about them anyway
I'm not saying it's not a naive direction to go in, but I sadly don't think we will ever advance enough to go in another one

It's because I do disagree in this instance, that we have reached our scientific limit...that's absurd to me tbh

In 1901 a man was quoted to have said 'Everything that will be invented has been invented'....that was before cars, before planes, before computers etc etc

I believe the only thing that limits us is our belief that a limit even exists.

[veritas]

That isn't science tho...that is speculation based on nothing.

It is more scientific to say 'As of right now, we do not know' than to say 'It must have been God'

We do not have to assume anything, we just have to keep looking for the answer, and until then, admit we don't know. As I said, there is no shame for a scientist to say he does not know something, because science is a gradual process of collecting evidence and forming theories...we are a young species and it would be stupid to expect us to have all the answers right now...but that goes no way in validating the existence of God.

That is the god of the gaps...and as time goes on, there will be less and less gaps for that God to fit in.


DUDE YOUR SCIENTISTS LIKE RICHARD DAWKINGS KNOW NOTHING OF CERTAINTY EXECPT THAT IT CANT BE GOD. I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. HE IS NOT ALONE.

[Destroyer]

I'm talking about the limit as to how far back to the beginning we can see
there most certainly is a limit - it's the Big Bang
I don't think it's possible to surpass this limit, unless we are mistaken about the essence of the big bang

[veritas]

Also, it always concerns me that Christians and other religions seem to think of science as some evil thing that is out to attack their faith...science is not a belief system, it was not set up to destroy faith but to answer the questions of our existence based on evidence from the natural world, it just so happens that the evidence which was found contradicts certain things in those religions that there is no evidence for.

They are not opposites of each other, they are not even related to each other at all...Religion is based on faith and spirituality, which is cool...believe what you want, but don't assume to know better than those who can actually demonstrate and show evidence for their theories.


CHRISTIANS ARE NOT AGAINST SCIENCE. CARL BALL, ISAAC NEWTON, ETC ETC ETC.

YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE. YOU THINK YOU DO.

THERE IS MORE EVIDENCE OF AN ORDER TO THE UNIVERSE THAN ANYTHING.

THERE IS JUST AS MUCH IF NOT MORE ENTHALPY THAN ENTROPY.

[veritas]

god as a concept is solid
the judeo-Christian god... not so much
sadly, I think that god is too small for this universe we occupy

I CAN WORK WITH THIS, IT IS SOMEWHAT REASONABLE...ELABORATE.

[Destroyer]

it assumes that earth is the only place where life exists, which is just blatantly dumb, if you have any inkling of the size of our universe
to put it plainly, we are too small for a god of that entire existence to even be aware of us.

[Destroyer]

it would be like me caring about the bacterium in my shit

[veritas]

ITT: DESTROYER AND WITTY DISAGREE ABOUT THEIR BELIEFS AS WELL.

CMON TEAM! PULL TOGHETER IT IS JUST ONE MAN YOU ARE UP AGAINST.

[Witty]

Veritas trying so hard right now.

[Witty]

CHRISTIANS ARE NOT AGAINST SCIENCE. CARL BALL, ISAAC NEWTON, ETC ETC ETC.

YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE. YOU THINK YOU DO.

THERE IS MORE EVIDENCE OF AN ORDER TO THE UNIVERSE THAN ANYTHING.

THERE IS JUST AS MUCH IF NOT MORE ENTHALPY THAN ENTROPY.

So why the god of christianity?

Why not the others?

[Split]

THERE IS JUST AS MUCH IF NOT MORE ENTHALPY THAN ENTROPY.
http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/12/122165/2574831-8798349651-mj-la.gif

[veritas]

STILLHERE. STILL STRONGER THAN EVER. THIS IS EASY.

IT IS ALL OF YALL WHO CANT EVEN AGREE LOLZORD

[Witty]

STILLHERE. STILL STRONGER THAN EVER. THIS IS EASY.

IT IS ALL OF YALL WHO CANT EVEN AGREE LOLZORD

We have different opinions, it's called an adult discussion.

You should try it some time.

You might not fail so bad.

[veritas]

So why the god of christianity?

Why not the others?

JESUS IS THE ONLY ONE WHO MAKES SENSE. IF WE ARE HONEST WITH OURSELVES SIR.

WE CANNOT REACH THE PERFECTION GOD REQUIRES FOR HEAVEN. SO, HIS DEATH IS THE PROPITIATION FOR OUR SINS.

ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS BELIEVE...HAVE FAITH IN HIS GRACE

GRACE=GODS RICHES AT CRISTS EXPENSE.

SEE?

[veritas]

http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/12/122165/2574831-8798349651-mj-la.gif

YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE SUPER REALITY.

[Hush]

Why does it have to be atheist vs Catholics or whatever
U ppl are so defensive


U have addict esque behavior
Not u

All fanatics

[MonkTheOracle]

The Mind Assassin was jesus crucified?

[Destroyer]

WE CANNOT REACH THE PERFECTION GOD REQUIRES FOR HEAVEN. SO, HIS DEATH IS THE PROPITIATION FOR OUR SINS.

explain to me how an infallible god overlooked this when creating man.

[Witty]

JESUS IS THE ONLY ONE WHO MAKES SENSE. IF WE ARE HONEST WITH OURSELVES SIR.

WE CANNOT REACH THE PERFECTION GOD REQUIRES FOR HEAVEN. SO, HIS DEATH IS THE PROPITIATION FOR OUR SINS.

ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS BELIEVE...HAVE FAITH IN HIS GRACE

GRACE=GODS RICHES AT CRISTS EXPENSE.

SEE?

So you have no reason to believe in your God?

It couldn't be because that is the God of your culture?

You don't think that if you were a Viking you would believe in Thor?

[Destroyer]

hey, you don't have to be a Viking to believe in Thor!

[veritas]

explain to me how an infallible god overlooked this when creating man.

THE BIBLE SAYS THAT JESUS WAS THE LAMB SLAIN BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF TEH WORLD.

GOD KNEW WHAT WAS UP.

THIS IS WHY YOU NEED TO STUDY IT.

[Witty]

Why does it have to be atheist vs Catholics or whatever
U ppl are so defensive


U have addict esque behavior
Not u

All fanatics

It's not atheist vs any particular religion....they are all fatally flawed in one way or another...I do believe catholicism is the most corrupt of all religions tho, purely because of the power it has had over the years.

[veritas]

So you have no reason to believe in your God?

It couldn't be because that is the God of your culture?

You don't think that if you were a Viking you would believe in Thor?

IF I WAS A VIKING I WOULD BELIEVE IN WHAT GOT ME TO TEH SUPER REALITY.

JESUS GETS US TO THE SUPER REALITY.

[Witty]

IF I WAS A VIKING I WOULD BELIEVE IN WHAT GOT ME TO TEH SUPER REALITY.

JESUS GETS US TO THE SUPER REALITY.

So basically, it doesn't matter what you believe as long as the end result is the same?

But how can the end result be the same with such different belief systems?

[dead man]

its all just like, fractals man

[Destroyer]

Thor is real faggots

[Witty]

My mission is almost accomplished.

[Destroyer]

proof Thor is real
http://atomictoasters.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/lightning.jpg

[Witty]

Destroyer that seems reasonable enough evidence...I am converted,

[Destroyer]

yesssssssss

[Witty]

Hey Destroyer I'm getting bored, can you do me a favour and quote this post twice?

[veritas]

Only jesus can save us. No other god is GOD. we cannot work out way to heaven.

[Destroyer]

Hey Destroyer I'm getting bored, can you do me a favour and quote this post twice?

[Witty]

Only jesus can save us. No other god is GOD. we cannot work out way to heaven.

Prove it.

[Destroyer]

Hey Destroyer I'm getting bored, can you do me a favour and quote this post twice?

[veritas]

Ok fine.

What would like me to prove specifically sir?

[Destroyer]

it doesn't matter because you can't

[Witty]

Thanks destro!

Aaaaaand mission accomplished....I'm out.
The Mind Assassin thank you for helping me go above Diode in the top quoted list...I do not care what you think, I have no interest in your beliefs, I do not want to know your opinion, nor anybody elses....I used you for my own selfish means....I am the master puppeteer and the only reason you don't see it is because I don't let you....I have no interest in this thread anymore...thank you for giving me your time, even tho in reality you did not give it to me...I took it.

I see everything Netcees.

Continue.

<3

[millz]

Win

[Witty]

I still luh u tho v

[veritas]

You are a fool.

[Destroyer]

the fool is the shit though
them horns

[Split]

YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE SUPER REALITY.

Nope. Just the real reality

[Split]

DAMN WITTY KING'D U BRAH

[Dominate]

Couldn't bear to read past pg 7

Veritas are you aware that the theory of evolution makes no claims whatsoever about how life started?

"God made us or evolution made us" is a false dichotomy.

You could believe in an omnipotent god who created life and guided its evolution every step of the way. There is no contradiction there.

I'm sure I've said this to you before.

[Destroyer]

you could believe in that God, dom, but why would you?

[Dominate]

I don't, but others could and I'd have far fewers problems with it. It just annoys me that V tries to wail on evolution all the time and clearly has no idea what the theory does and doesn't claim.

[Destroyer]

yeah, but if he learned about it, he'd be forced to reconcile it against his own beliefs.
I can see why he avoids it, tbchristian

[Masaii]

Have you guys ever thought, now hear me out here, have you ever thought that V could just be here to "rustle te jimmies" as they say?

[Split]

Rustling jimbobs is a bad look when you have to make yourself seem retarded to do it

[Masaii]

Maybe though

http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/286/812/726.jpg

he*

[Destroyer]

I think that's what it is
because he falls back on these core insane beliefs every time anyone starts making headway in the discussion
and he says things that are truly laughable, which don't make sense in light of his proven intellect

[veritas]

Dead at how yall thing yall won.

None of you could even agree on what evolution meant.

And I am the one who doesnt understand it?

Roffflz...

[Destroyer]

we do agree on it
you're the one who flips the definition of it so you can keep disagreeing with it
but I know your game
I'm done playing it, for today anyway

[veritas]

VERITAS WINS.

YOU ALL KEEP CHANGING WHAT EVOLUTION MEANS.

NO ONE HAS EVER SEEN IT.

BUT I HAVE BKIND FAITH?

[Split]

this is in poor taste

[Dominate]

U are the only one "changing" what it means to suit your arguments.

You have no idea what it is.

[veritas]

Wrong. No one has been able to convince me that a monkey became a man...no one knows wjere the mokeu come from...no one knkws what came before the monkey ad infinitim

BUT IT CANT BE GOD RIGHT..
?


I AM FOR ADAPTATION. I AM NOT FOR DARWINIAN EVOLUTION.

WHERE GOD IS TIME AND DARWIN IS THE PROPHET. IT IS NONSENSE.


YALL THINKING YALL HAVE WON IS LUDACRIS. YOU ALL CANT EVEN AGREE WJAT IT IS.

[Dominate]

Wrong. No one has been able to convince me that a monkey became a man...no one knows wjere the mokeu come from...no one knkws what came before the monkey ad infinitim

BUT IT CANT BE GOD RIGHT..
?



Yes, it can. The existence of god and the theory of evolution are not contradictory.

Do you even comprehension bro?