all this gay debate shit going round

[God Of War]

my issue is, sex is technically supposed to be for reproduction. so it kind of is against mother nature or the universe to be homosexual right? I mean whatever is whatever but it isn't all a religious situation either.

what is your thoughts on the gay marriage/relationship thing

[Malachi]

Who cares

[Split]

i mean we could ask mother nature but im pretty sure shed gave no opinion on the whole thing

srs


people try and boil this shit into personification to prove the laws of the universe


the only law of the universe is that things behave the way they do because otherwise the universe wouldn't be how it is


for whatever reason, people think that they have some sort of influence on anything at all. and that what doesn't affect you can indirectly affect you etc.

splashes in the ocean tbh

top lel

[Meth]

If a dude wanna schtick a dude, and put a ring on his finger.

Fuck it, why not?

[Sharp]

If a dude wanna schtick a dude, and put a ring on his finger.

Fuck it, why not?

This basically

Pretty much any argument I've heard against gay marriage gets nullified pretty quick anyway

[God Of War]

so sex isnt ment for reproduction? I mean even without going the god route that is literally what it is for to reproduce is it not?

a man and a man cant reproduce neither can a woman and a woman . so in all reality it is kind of going against a natural order of things.

[Malachi]

Ok it's meant for reproduction but some niggas just fuck bitches to fuck
And they use condoms to not reproduce so is it not natural then
But no one frowns down at condoms or birth control etc.
Masturbating is frowned upon by I guess in some religion but alot of you dude have prolly did it

boom

[Meth]

I mean if they like dudes they ain't gonna reproduce with women anyway. So who cares if they are with another person who wouldn't be reproducing anyway either. Just my opinion, though. I really couldn't care less in the grand scheme of things, doesn't effect me at all.

[TYSON]

I don't care bout what they do with each other I'm just against gay marriage. Yes I go by the Biblical hand in matrimony. IMO

[God Of War]

yeah im not telling anyone what they can and cant do im just stating my opinion on it and finding out yalls

[Boredom]

homosexuality has been happening for aaaages, in the animal kingdom its a way to prove dominance, but shit u not was at a bar tonight and saw two dudes making out and shit urked me a lil bit.. was there w/ my girl and one of my homies and we got to talking on the subject, tbh i dgaf about it.. let people do what they wanna do.. marriage whatever.. if a man and women can be unhappy, why cant a man and a man?

[God Of War]

homosexuality has been happening for aaaages, in the animal kingdom its a way to prove dominance, but shit u not was at a bar tonight and saw two dudes making out and shit urked me a lil bit.. was there w/ my girl and one of my homies and we got to talking on the subject, tbh i dgaf about it.. let people do what they wanna do.. marriage whatever.. if a man and women can be unhappy, why cant a man and a man?

cuz as fuckd up as this sounds... i dont wanna see it u know and as fucked up as it sounds even more i wouldnt mind if it was 2 chics but i dont want to see 2 dudes making out or etc i think the shit is nasty

[BROKE LESNAR]

My thoughts exactly, GoW. Don't ever change your opinion for political correctness and stand on principle. Every single time.

[~RustyGunZ~]

As long as my butthole is safe I have no quarrel

[Nigma]

my issue is, sex is technically supposed to be for reproduction. so it kind of is against mother nature or the universe to be homosexual right? I mean whatever is whatever but it isn't all a religious situation either.

what is your thoughts on the gay marriage/relationship thing

by that logic, every time you have sex for a purpose other then reproduction you are no better then a homosexual.

[Wise Wiggles]

I'm surprised these fairies aren't fighting back by throwing shitty dillys at you straight faggòts poppin em shit.. unless they grabbin your dick then stfu.

[Fig]

cuz as fuckd up as this sounds... i dont wanna see it u know and as fucked up as it sounds even more i wouldnt mind if it was 2 chics but i dont want to see 2 dudes making out or etc i think the shit is nasty

So youre willing to help advance the stripping away of someones civil right and overall happiness because it gives you the heebee jeebees?

[Rawn M.D.]

alright...imma answer this from a biological standpoint

reproduction is meant to pass along ur genes and create new life...now if a person wants to engage in fornicating without the act of reprodcing ever for that matter, they have thereby elected not to pass down there genes, thus taking themselves out of the genepool, and eliminating there own genome from any future comptetion for interspecies reproduction...so, why object? in the long run it actually proves u to be more successful at the ultimate goal of life...continueing life w/ a better mate

Now, I dont like seeing it at all...but idgaf rlly, ppl goin do what they do, and as long as it aint effecting me directly idgaf bout it either...sanctity of marriage ok, i see the arguement, but then again over 50% marriages fail ultimately...so whats so sacred about marriage now a days...divorce seems more sacred by %'s.

[Hush]

So your against blow jobs?

[Ghost1]

^^^LOL. That is a crippling debate counterpoint to the OP.

[KZVR]

Here are some reasons why I think homosexuality exists, that aren't really mentioned anywhere.. btw, I have a question.. isn't masturbation a form of homosexuality? wouldn't it be the equivalent of cloning yourself, and then having yourself give you a handjob? that's pretty gay imo..

1. Free Will -

We find ourselves inherently attracted to the opposite sex. But if free will really exists, this attraction can be altered by an overriding choice..

2. Systemic balance -

It's nature's way of keeping the population of earth leveled with the rate of technological advancement and ratio to resource usage..

3. The highest form of repulsion -

You find women so strange/disgusting you avoid them entirely..

4. Irony

Some men can't get chicks and stay virgins for life. Some men get hit on by chicks 24/7 but are gay and don't want that shit..

5. We're all souls

According to some religions the body is irrelevant and the soul/spirit is all that exists and matters, yet the soul/spirit has no sex. So, like in the matrix, there is no spoon.


The poor get poorer..

[...the Nagger]

my issue is, sex is technically supposed to be for reproduction. so it kind of is against mother nature or the universe to be homosexual right? I mean whatever is whatever but it isn't all a religious situation either.

what is your thoughts on the gay marriage/relationship thing

I agree. its against nature

I'm telling you, next will be bestiality

[Rawn M.D.]

it IS against nature...but it benefits the species, as a whole..peep my prior comment.

[Evolve]

How is it against mother nature to be gay?

Who's to say it was a rule in the first place?

Reproduction leans it towards the obvious but there still isn't solid evidence. Religiously nor' scientifically.

If some dude wants to be gay then that's cool. If a girl wants to be lesbian then I'm having a good time.

I'm not complaining.

Carry on.

[...the Nagger]

and I hate when ppl compare it to being b**** and civil rights



dog you have a mental issue; being b**** is nature.

[...the Nagger]

How is it against mother nature to be gay?



reproduction. disease. brain abnormalities.

[...the Nagger]

Now, I dont like seeing it at all...but idgaf rlly, ppl goin do what they do, and as long as it aint effecting me directly idgaf bout it either...

see I get when ppl say this but peep this

if you walk into a store I'm in with a wig on, and acting feminine,

yo that IS affecting me. its affecting you too probably, but now a days ppl act like its wrong to express this dislike? Like heterosexuals are the weird ones if they think negative of homosexuals?

no.... we aren't the weird ones

and the media is doing a brilliant job pushing the agenda on us

liek I said, where will it stop? bestiality will follow. mark my words

[Evolve]

reproduction. disease. brain abnormalities.

You COMPLETELY missed my whole point.

I said there was NO official ruling. Who's to question sexuality? You?

On the real bro you've been coming at these debates with nothing but personal opinions.

[Hush]

This nigga gay

[...the Nagger]

You COMPLETELY missed my whole point.

I said there was NO official ruling. Who's to question sexuality? You?

On the real bro you've been coming at these debates with nothing but personal opinions.

what debates? the bruce lee one? you actually absolutely wrong on that one, but you can go to that thread and read through it again to get an understanding of why you're totally wrong

no official ruling? on what? wtf are you talking about?

[Rawn M.D.]

...the Munster

if u tryna dupe me into believing ur female, then fuck u...totally...

but if ur just doin u, then idgaf...

[Evolve]

what debates? the bruce lee one? you actually absolutely wrong on that one, but you can go to that thread and read through it again to get an understanding of why you're totally wrong

no official ruling? on what? wtf are you talking about?

So you are right because you have seen Bruce Lee fight Jones and seen the outcome then?

I'm not agreeing nor' disagreeing with anyone's 'opinion' I'm clearly stating what I BELIEVE to be the right answer. How you gon' argue with opinions lol

[...the Nagger]

and homosexuality ceases reproduction. it singlehandedly is the root problem and creation of certain stds, and a lot of homosexuals have brain abnormalities

I saw the last one in a documentary I watched in a psych class @ school one day. studied identical twins and showed how identical twins share even the same brain patterns. did it showed the abnormalities present in twins where one was homosexual and the other wasn't

it also showed the defects in twins where one had schitzophrenia

[Seyance]

gays are fucking retarded, they want rights to get married which is a christian ceremony, yet the very point of being christian means you think being gay is wrong. its a life choice nothing else, quit your crying over split nail polish.

[Evolve]

and homosexuality ceases reproduction. it singlehandedly is the root problem and creation of certain stds, and a lot of homosexuals have brain abnormalities

I saw the last one in a documentary I watched in a psych class @ school one day. studied identical twins and showed how identical twins share even the same brain patterns. did it showed the abnormalities present in twins where one was homosexual and the other wasn't

it also showed the defects in twins where one had schitzophrenia

gay

[...the Nagger]

So you are right because you have seen Bruce Lee fight Jones and seen the outcome then?

I'm not agreeing nor' disagreeing with anyone's 'opinion' I'm clearly stating what I BELIEVE to be the right answer. How you gon' argue with opinions lol

no I'm right because I stated all facts and no opinion

got back and read that thread. no way am I gonna debate something that you are totally wrong about in the wrong thread dog. get real

take that to the other thread. and before you type, read thru it with understanding, because you obv didn't the first time

[...the Nagger]

gay

guess I'll take this as a lost for words.

[Evolve]

no I'm right because I stated all facts and no opinion

got back and read that thread. no way am I gonna debate something that you are totally wrong about in the wrong thread dog. get real

take that to the other thread. and before you type, read thru it with understanding, because you obv didn't the first time

I take it you own clothes rails and no closets?

No need to get so mad lmao

[Evolve]

guess I'll take this as a lost for words.

You could.... or you could take it as the fact being I couldn't care less to go round in more circles than Beyonds loose pupil every time he bounces up and down

[...the Nagger]

just saying

don't come at me stating lies during a debate. I'm in debate mode dog. and if you chose to debate with me, be ready to prove whatever you saying

a lot of you have a problem of just randomly saying stuff to sound smart. but a lot of you be lookin mad psuedo and don't even realize it

[Rawn M.D.]

Eddy it aint really brain disorders its brain activity..and increased size of certain aspects of the brain with homo's but thats not 100%

and the std thing is bc of the blood/semen transfer that occurs during anal sex as compared to reg sex wherre rarely blood is involved...

just wanna correct ur statement a bit

[...the Nagger]

You could.... or you could take it as the fact being I couldn't care less to go round in more circles than Beyonds loose pupil every time he bounces up and down

so why you even in the thread then?

you lost a debate on NC, its not a big deal. don't turn soft just cuz you lost and try to say "you mad".

this whole back page you been hovering in it and you have said nothing of value

[...the Nagger]

Eddy it aint really brain disorders its brain activity..and increased size of certain aspects of the brain with homo's but thats not 100%

and the std thing is bc of the blood/semen transfer that occurs during anal sex as compared to reg sex wherre rarely blood is involved...

just wanna correct ur statement a bit

I got the words "abnormalities" and "defects" from the video. I'll try to find the title of it but you'd have to take that up with them

because they fully believe that a lot of homosexual (i never said all) are suffering from a brain disorder

and your explanation of anal sex proves my point that you shouldn't be doing it?

[Rawn M.D.]

Eddy I agree w u on this arguement (to a point;check my original post)...well abnormalities/defects kinda corrlate with a malfunctioning...its just heightened areas of activity n increased limbic regions...just syntax/word choice..but i seewhat ur saying.

anal sex participants = more at risk to disease no matter gay or str8...but disease is more rampant w gays bc of the sub population, 2 orifices to 3.

[Objective]

This entire thread makes you all look like flaming fagg0ts.

Edit: But, why the fuck do ya'll care about this shit tho'? It's easy enough to ignore, it aint effecting me at least. If two people wanna get married, let them, it's not like I gotta go to the marriage. lmfao.

[...the Nagger]

TOLD YOU MFs ALL I DO IS BALL(s) /hov

[Inno]

I got the words "abnormalities" and "defects" from the video. I'll try to find the title of it but you'd have to take that up with them

because they fully believe that a lot of homosexual (i never said all) are suffering from a brain disorder

and your explanation of anal sex proves my point that you shouldn't be doing it?

But....

Are u saying that most homos have a brain disorder or abnormality that
Makes them gay...

Then u say that u didnt say alll gays have that...the qoute.


But..


Your implying that gays are gay Becuase of that fact (brain abnormality)

So which one is it?


So the majorty of gays arw gays becuase of brain abnormalities or defect.

And the rest who knowd right?


Must of been a great doc.

[StarFaggot]

Strange to see so many knucks defending homosexuality. It's an abomination. It's abnormal and goes against the law of nature. They count on heterosexual unions for the survival of human race yet knucks perverse it.

Far as gay marriage it must be accepted bc being gay isn't a crime. Marriage is no longer a holy union. Therefore if atheist can get married I guess knucks should be able to too.

[StarFaggot]

see I get when ppl say this but peep this

if you walk into a store I'm in with a wig on, and acting feminine,

yo that IS affecting me. its affecting you too probably, but now a days ppl act like its wrong to express this dislike? Like heterosexuals are the weird ones if they think negative of homosexuals?

no.... we aren't the weird ones

and the media is doing a brilliant job pushing the agenda on us

liek I said, where will it stop? bestiality will follow. mark my words

QFE

[Evolve]

Just because we're not all homophobes doesn't mean we're faggots. It's called being civil and not trying to look like a hard ass in front of rap forum members.

So many people want to get mad and go round in circles and think they are being productive and clever about being in a debate. It's hilarious.

It's cool though Eddie keep giving those wise words that help us all through our hard life's. I'm sleeping much better tonight.

[StarFaggot]

Just because we're not all homophobes doesn't mean we're knucks. It's called being civil and not trying to look like a hard ass in front of rap forum members.

So many people want to get mad and go round in circles and think they are being productive and clever about being in a debate. It's hilarious.

It's cool though Eddie keep giving those wise words that help us all through our hard life's. I'm sleeping much better tonight.

Gay.

[Evolve]

Gay.

Frank Ocean nigga

[detour]

being a fagg0t is wrong...

[oats]

for anyone using the "unnatural" argument, keep in mind that 99% of daily human activity is unnatural. It's not natural to pave the ground, to put preservatives on food, to genetically modify plants and animals for consumption, etc. All of those are human constructs. If homosexuality is, in fact, a human construct (which is very debatable), that doesn't justify it as immoral in and of itself.

Furthermore, human population has had unchecked rise since the bubonic plague, so our survival as a species has nothing to do with this. If anything, we need less people reproducing.

Beyond that, there are several examples of animals engaging in homosexual activity. Though there isn't any genetic marker of homosexuality at this point, there is plenty of empirical evidence that suggests there may be biological causes. So it may not be as "unnatural" as some believe.

To me, that's all irrelevant. There are gay people in the world. They exist. Who cares if they get married? This strikes me as one of those issues that, in 50 years, people will be scratching their heads about why this was an issue at all. Gay marriage legalization is inevitable, I don't see why people get all twisted about it.

[Rawn M.D.]

oats - ur were like the first to actually present a valid arguement LOL..bravo..but yo peep my original comment.

[StarFaggot]

for anyone using the "unnatural" argument, keep in mind that 99% of daily human activity is unnatural. It's not natural to pave the ground, to put preservatives on food, to genetically modify plants and animals for consumption, etc. All of those are human constructs. If homosexuality is, in fact, a human construct (which is very debatable), that doesn't justify it as immoral in and of itself.

Furthermore, human population has had unchecked rise since the bubonic plague, so our survival as a species has nothing to do with this. If anything, we need less people reproducing.

Beyond that, there are several examples of animals engaging in homosexual activity. Though there isn't any genetic marker of homosexuality at this point, there is plenty of empirical evidence that suggests there may be biological causes. So it may not be as "unnatural" as some believe.

To me, that's all irrelevant. There are gay people in the world. They exist. Who cares if they get married? This strikes me as one of those issues that, in 50 years, people will be scratching their heads about why this was an issue at all. Gay marriage legalization is inevitable, I don't see why people get all twisted about it.

Quit trying to justify homosexuality. Do you think brother and sister should be able to get married as well? It's unnatural and two men can't reproduce. Idc about gay animals you flaming fagget. "Some animals are gay so it's cool." Wtf. Yo we are humans. Idc about animals or species that can reproduce asexually. Idk of a case where two same genders in any classification can reproduce.

[Rawn M.D.]

why fight something that actually benefits u tho?

by a person entering into a gay lifestyle they elect to take themselves out of imediate competition for mating, and then long term competititon by not reproducing...while limiting carrying capacity of the population. Its beneficial for any str8 male from a biological standpoint.

[The Bully]

Some of you sound like complete dipshits.

Seyance - gays wanna get married because of tax benefits, sharing health insurance, emergency medical reasons, etc. Nothing to do with Christianity...and marriage isn't only a Christian tradition.

Why people are gay...abnormality in genes is definitely one cause, since there is homosexuality in other mammals, but conditioning is also a factor.

Given the fact that the world is quickly becoming too overpopulated to sustain our rate of growth, it's actually good for us all that a group of people are choosing a path against reproduction, whatever the cause. And I personally find it pretty repulsive to see a man and man together, like everyone else, but it's also disgusting to see two fat fucks doing their thing. Rather have a couple gay bouls raise a foster kid than some poor 16 year old girl with no baby daddy around.

Funniest shit I saw was that masturbation is gay/clone of yourself jacking ur shit. Lmfao wtf?

[Witty]

I dont see how it is anyone else's business who another person has sex with or marries.

People need to focus on their own shit and not be so obsessed with what others are doing.

I don't give two fucks if someone is gay, I know a couple gay dudes, one is a good friend of mine, I call him a fag or a homo, and we laugh...they're just people lol

[The Bully]

Yea, rawn got to it first while I was phone-typing
And oatmeal too. Damnit.

[Orc]

i dnt care enuff to post paragraphs about it either way, stopit4

[...the Nagger]

I dont see how it is anyone else's business who another person has sex with or marries.

man you make it everyone's business if you are an open fairy

[...the Nagger]

But....

Are u saying that most homos have a brain disorder or abnormality that
Makes them gay...

Then u say that u didnt say alll gays have that...the qoute.


But..


Your implying that gays are gay Becuase of that fact (brain abnormality)

So which one is it?


So the majorty of gays arw gays becuase of brain abnormalities or defect.

And the rest who knowd right?


Must of been a great doc.

the video implyed that, and showed maps of their brains and stuff

that's all I said

what exactly have you said? nothing comes to mind

at least I have points tho. as far as being productive, I'm on break bored dog.

I'm productive in real debates. you aren't productive in fake ones, so I know you prolly arent in real ones

but like I said, no need to get soft and pull the "why so serious" card

you lost. deal with it. I wouldn't do that to you if I lost a debate, I'd hear out your points

but you don't have any points?

[Boredom]

cuz as fuckd up as this sounds... i dont wanna see it u know and as fucked up as it sounds even more i wouldnt mind if it was 2 chics but i dont want to see 2 dudes making out or etc i think the shit is nasty

no doubt, shit is grose. even my girl was saying that.. how two girls making out is whatever doesn't phase her at all. but seeing 2 guys making out even urks her.

[Inno]

the video implyed that, and showed maps of their brains and stuff

that's all I said

what exactly have you said? nothing comes to mind

at least I have points tho. as far as being productive, I'm on break bored dog.

I'm productive in real debates. you aren't productive in fake ones, so I know you prolly arent in real ones

but like I said, no need to get soft and pull the "why so serious" card

you lost. deal with it. I wouldn't do that to you if I lost a debate, I'd hear out your points

but you don't have any points?

Wasnt arguing just trying to gauge where u coming from.

Cuz.

It cant be both dude...u said I dont care where u got it from u said...so obviously
You believe it.

The doc said lol

Homos are homos becuase of a brain defect its not normal.
That implies that Allllllllllllll gays have this defect not a select few
Or majority.

So what I understand from what u posted from that doc is.

Some homos didnt have a choice to be gay they where born that way (brain defect)

And some arw gay by choice. ....


Doesnt seem very logical to me.

[Inno]

no doubt, shit is grose. even my girl was saying that.. how two girls making out is whatever doesn't phase her at all. but seeing 2 guys making out even urks her.

So u don't have a problem with gay people u have a probelm
With gay guys...

[oats]

Quit trying to justify homosexuality. Do you think brother and sister should be able to get married as well? It's unnatural and two men can't reproduce. Idc about gay animals you flaming fagget. "Some animals are gay so it's cool." Wtf. Yo we are humans. Idc about animals or species that can reproduce asexually. Idk of a case where two same genders in any classification can reproduce.

word, good point, cuz sex is purely an act of reproduction, it serves no other purpose. While we're at it, let's make oral sex illegal, since it's not natural and doesn't lead to reproduction. gtfo with your virgin rationale, you said nothing of substance or value.

and yes, homosexuality leads to incest, just like drinking soda leads to meth abuse.

oh and the point of bringing up animals is to contend the notion that homosexuality is "unnatural." Grow up, you're stupidity doesn't belong in the 20th century.

[NYCSPITZ]

doesn't matter. Fags hit on me all the time and I take it as a compliment. Bag bitches and keep it steppin, if a nigga is very homo though, I will clown him for it

[StarFaggot]

word, good point, cuz sex is purely an act of reproduction, it serves no other purpose. While we're at it, let's make oral sex illegal, since it's not natural and doesn't lead to reproduction. gtfo with your virgin rationale, you said nothing of substance or value.

and yes, homosexuality leads to incest, just like drinking soda leads to meth abuse.

oh and the point of bringing up animals is to contend the notion that homosexuality is "unnatural." Grow up, you're stupidity doesn't belong in the 20th century.


The fact that human life can be created from egg and sperm shows you law. The whole purpose of sex point is moot.

Idc what homosexuality leads to. I asked if brother and sister getting married is cool with you. Homosexuality opens the floodgates to sexual perversion.

To make a comparison using animals is ridiculous and useless. Keep your fetishes out.

[Witty]

man you make it everyone's business if you are an open fairy

I agree if they are the fairy type, I hate that shit.

But if they're just gay and not ashamed to say, they have as much right as anybody to be with who they wish.

[NYCSPITZ]

every1 complaining about fags in this thread is hiding their inner homo

[Meth]

According to Aero

Oral sex and condoms should both be illegal. You know, since neither lead to reproduction.

Also, having sex for any means other than to have children? Illegal.

[NYCSPITZ]

aero equating beastiality to faggotry is a slippery slope and sine you seem obsessed with western logic I think u should bring out the H.S. textbooks again...ur sonning urself

[StarFaggot]

You guys are idiots and believe homosexuality is cool. I'm out of this thread.

[oats]

sex point isn't moot, because (again), sex isn't purely a reproductive act. There is sociological and evolutionary evidence to justify sex as an act of love, making it a natural human action in a context outside of reproduction. Therefore, homosexual sex can be considered natural. Beyond that, if you're making the argument that anything unnatural is immoral and thus should be made illegal, then you have a lot of legislation to start writing regarding the rest of our social structure.

Here's an answer to your question: incest is wrong and should be illegal. Once more, since you're having difficulty comprehending what you're reading, I brought up the argument of animals (nature) committing homosexual acts because it occurs in nature. By definition, that means it's natural. Please, if you respond, have something valid to say.

[NYCSPITZ]

lmfaooo

[Inno]

Aero lesbians cant reproduce together either.

Im sure since your upright christian...you surely have a problem
With lesbians as well.

Whatt am I saying.

When people on the internet say 'gay people' they really mean gay guys lmao.

Becuase 2 guys kissing is unnatural, blasphemy, disgusting it open the flood gates to beastiality and blah blah blah...next thing u know bro an sis ar3 fucking...plz, stfu

But 2 girls kissing although the same exact act...is considered
Erotic and no one has a problem with it.


Your all hypocritical morons.

[Split]

LOL @ this thread. jesus harold christ yo

"I dont care if gay dudes get married, i just dont wanna be forced to watch them fuck/ it grosses me out/ lesbos are hot tho"

hoooooly shit. i heard that argument, literally, in 6th grade. wtf are you doing with your life

no straight people are forcing you to watch each other fuck. if you dont like what you see, remove yourself from the goddamn situation

gays are fucking retarded, they want rights to get married which is a christian ceremony, yet the very point of being christian means you think being gay is wrong. its a life choice nothing else, quit your crying over split nail polish.


lol. Sey is trolling.


and homosexuality ceases reproduction. it singlehandedly is the root problem and creation of certain stds, and a lot of homosexuals have brain abnormalities

I saw the last one in a documentary I watched in a psych class @ school one day. studied identical twins and showed how identical twins share even the same brain patterns. did it showed the abnormalities present in twins where one was homosexual and the other wasn't

it also showed the defects in twins where one had schitzophrenia


straight people have psychotic abnormalities too, whats your point?

for anyone using the "unnatural" argument, keep in mind that 99% of daily human activity is unnatural. It's not natural to pave the ground, to put preservatives on food, to genetically modify plants and animals for consumption, etc. All of those are human constructs. If homosexuality is, in fact, a human construct (which is very debatable), that doesn't justify it as immoral in and of itself.

Furthermore, human population has had unchecked rise since the bubonic plague, so our survival as a species has nothing to do with this. If anything, we need less people reproducing.

Beyond that, there are several examples of animals engaging in homosexual activity. Though there isn't any genetic marker of homosexuality at this point, there is plenty of empirical evidence that suggests there may be biological causes. So it may not be as "unnatural" as some believe.

To me, that's all irrelevant. There are gay people in the world. They exist. Who cares if they get married? This strikes me as one of those issues that, in 50 years, people will be scratching their heads about why this was an issue at all. Gay marriage legalization is inevitable, I don't see why people get all twisted about it.


everything human beings do IS natural. our civilization/ society has just evolved so far past that of our animal cousins, it has manifested itself in strange ways


lots and lots of creatures alter their surroundings to construct homes... beavers, ants, ferrets.

Some of you sound like complete dipshits.

Seyance - gays wanna get married because of tax benefits, sharing health insurance, emergency medical reasons, etc. Nothing to do with Christianity...and marriage isn't only a Christian tradition.

Why people are gay...abnormality in genes is definitely one cause, since there is homosexuality in other mammals, but conditioning is also a factor.

Given the fact that the world is quickly becoming too overpopulated to sustain our rate of growth, it's actually good for us all that a group of people are choosing a path against reproduction, whatever the cause. And I personally find it pretty repulsive to see a man and man together, like everyone else, but it's also disgusting to see two fat fucks doing their thing. Rather have a couple gay bouls raise a foster kid than some poor 16 year old girl with no baby daddy around.

Funniest shit I saw was that masturbation is gay/clone of yourself jacking ur shit. Lmfao wtf?


agree with all that. exept we are not heading towards overpopulation

most countries bithrates (western civilization) are heading into decline:

by which i mean global population is still growing, but the rate of replacement- as in how much of the current population's deaths are being replaced by the next generation's births- is dropping at a staggering rate

http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/01/11/overcrowding-nah-the-worlds-population-may-actually-be-declining/

watched a cool 60 Minutes documentary on it too... basically, you need 2.1 births per woman (Total Fertility Rate) to maintain the current population going into the next generation

http://www.prb.org/Publications/Datasheets/2012/world-population-data-sheet/fact-sheet-us-population.aspx


ours is dropping. most western civilizations are, with the exception of south america which is booming

[Split]

yo, i think gay people should be able to get married. it makes them happy, has no effect on our society, and is good for economy.

i understand why ppl DONT want gay people getting married. they don't want their kids to be gay, bottom line.

and its a stigma thats built into our community building instincts. like, when you have a town with 140 ppl, and 10 decide they are gay, its a big deal, and a threat to that society

so society forces them to hide themselves and continue to be productive/ reproductive members of society or risk being shamed

but our population is so big, these stigmas/ rules arent needed. and are falling apart. and theres nothing we can do to stop it lol.

unless, when we go into space/ continue colonizing like humans are programmed to do to survive, then we'll be small comunities again and the whole process will reset.


one thing i cant stand is people who "refuse to ascribe to a gender" or claim to be pansexual, cisgeerogenderqueer, transpansexual etc

like thats cool. but dont expect dudes to know that and get all offended about it

if youre born with a dick, youre male, and thats what it should say on ur drivers license cause thats what you genetically ARE yo

[Boredom]

So u don't have a problem with gay people u have a probelm
With gay guys...

you've just obtained gilbert grape status..

for one i was saying thats what my girl was saying.. annnd i don't have a problem with gay people. let em do whatever they want but if i have a dude hitting on me or see two dudes making out it's obv going to urk me.

[oats]

Split Eight

we aren't heading towards overpopulation - we are overpopulated. Even if there is a sharp decline, keep in mind that this millennial generation is the largest generation. Ever. Meaning, a decline is to be expected (see: Malthusian Economics). The overall trend over the course of humanity has shown nothing but steady growth since the bubonic plague.

As for everything we do is natural, you missed my point. Constructing homes is very natural, it is essential for survival. Paving parking lots, malls, office buildings, even most community housing, does not occur in nature, and therefore is not natural. Synthesizing diseases into immunities? Same thing. In short, using nature to help us achieve similar ends is natural, dominating it and manipulating it for the same purpose is not.

Does this mean that all of these things are bad? Of course not. That's the point. Just because something isn't a natural state intended by nature, does not mean it isn't important or meaningful (though there are strong arguments out there to state that all of my examples result in negative consequences for the species).

[Split]

Split Eight

we aren't heading towards overpopulation - we are overpopulated. Even if there is a sharp decline, keep in mind that this millennial generation is the largest generation. Ever. Meaning, a decline is to be expected (see: Malthusian Economics). The overall trend over the course of humanity has shown nothing but steady growth since the bubonic plague.

As for everything we do is natural, you missed my point. Constructing homes is very natural, it is essential for survival. Paving parking lots, malls, office buildings, even most community housing, does not occur in nature, and therefore is not natural. Synthesizing diseases into immunities? Same thing. In short, using nature to help us achieve similar ends is natural, dominating it and manipulating it for the same purpose is not.

Does this mean that all of these things are bad? Of course not. That's the point. Just because something isn't a natural state intended by nature, does not mean it isn't important or meaningful (though there are strong arguments out there to state that all of my examples result in negative consequences for the species).

all of our structures serve a purpose. and plenty of other species dominate and control nature on a lesser level. we are the largest and most dominant, of course there is no comparison. we're unprecedented.

[oats]

Man, again, not really getting it. I never said the structures don't serve purposes. Or that other species don't control their environment. I'm saying the WAY we do it is not natural. That's all. There's no debate to it, by definition.

[Rawn M.D.]

many civilizations were 'unprecedented' n they fell for other reasons...n homosexuality was around in the majority if not all of those civilizations, and they fell for reasons other then that...
u guys are making this out to b more then it is...
i have more a problem with the 'socialization of homosexuality' thru things like entertainment and stuff then the act of getting married.
who gives a fck bout a ceremony, i care more about seeing that sht publicized to a point where society almost embraces it, rather then simply allowing it to exist w the same civil liberties as str8 couples.

[NYCSPITZ]

oatmeal won this thread

close thread

[uh-oh]

my issue is, sex is technically supposed to be for reproduction. so it kind of is against mother nature or the universe to be homosexual right?

yes.

but at the same time theres mad dogs that lick other dogs' dicks.

i think humans try and put a morality to it and make it an issue. thats why its a religious thing, because whether you are religious or not, most people are raised by somewhat religious people, in a society dominated by religions that say it is wrong.

those same religions are ALL ABOUT procreation tho. mainly because if im a christian, i have a wife and 10 kids. 1 christian/2 christians, just turned into 12 christians, this helps spread the religions area of influence and etc.

but word

as to how i feel about it? i think its gross disgusting and wrong. lesbians too. i lived with a couple and was banging one. changed nothing. they were weird as shit. my dick was hard. but the whole situation was weird.

im not comfortable around gay people of any kind.

do i think they should get married?

i dont care. i dont care if weirdo's wanna be weirdo's. them getting married doesnt effect my taxes right? not sure how that works. but word. let them get married. getting marrieds the most ridiculous retarded man made invention of all time anyways.

but word so final answer

i dont care if gays are gay. i dont care if gays get married. i just aint trying to be around them personally.

[oats]

^^agreed NYCSPITZ

[Rawn M.D.]

-on the same lvl as uh-oh tbh

[Split]

Man, again, not really getting it. I never said the structures don't serve purposes. Or that other species don't control their environment. I'm saying the WAY we do it is not natural. That's all. There's no debate to it, by definition.

I guess I just don't get what you mean by the way we do it... do you mean dominating and controlling nature, as in genetic manipulation of themselves and other creatures?


idk yo

I just find it hard to believe a species could grow to be our size and with our communal capabilities without doing exactly what we have done

[uh-oh]

for anyone using the "unnatural" argument, keep in mind that 99% of daily human activity is unnatural. It's not natural to pave the ground, to put preservatives on food, to genetically modify plants and animals for consumption, etc. All of those are human constructs. If homosexuality is, in fact, a human construct (which is very debatable), that doesn't justify it as immoral in and of itself.

Furthermore, human population has had unchecked rise since the bubonic plague, so our survival as a species has nothing to do with this. If anything, we need less people reproducing.

Beyond that, there are several examples of animals engaging in homosexual activity. Though there isn't any genetic marker of homosexuality at this point, there is plenty of empirical evidence that suggests there may be biological causes. So it may not be as "unnatural" as some believe.

To me, that's all irrelevant. There are gay people in the world. They exist. Who cares if they get married? This strikes me as one of those issues that, in 50 years, people will be scratching their heads about why this was an issue at all. Gay marriage legalization is inevitable, I don't see why people get all twisted about it.

i agree with you for the most part

but every single things humans do is NATURAL

nothing we do is unnatural. we are of this planet. me typing this on a computer, and you guys reading it off of computers or phones miles away is as natural as a huge termite mound in africa. a paved road is natural. the same way ants can carve a trail in the dirt and build underground mega cities.

everything is natural.

[Split]

i agree with you for the most part

but every single things humans do is NATURAL

nothing we do is unnatural. we are of this planet. me typing this on a computer, and you guys reading it off of computers or phones miles away is as natural as a huge termite mound in africa. a paved road is natural. the same way ants can carve a trail in the dirt and build underground mega cities.

everything is natural.

Exactly

[Rawn M.D.]

u guys r arguing two diff things its like asking how smart a cat is

for a cat to be a cat its as smart as it can be
but for a cat to be relative to a dog...there two totally seperate animals with seperate needs....so its not really comparable...ones a cat ones a dog

yes anything we construct is natural to us bc its natural for us to construct
but to other animal species utilizing synthetic materials to build is not natural...

just an example.

[oats]

what I'm saying is, the processes we've used to control and manipulate nature are not natural - they are man-made constructs that do not occur in nature. So your example of genetic manipulation is an example of something not natural, because that doesn't happen on its own in nature. Neither do office buildings, parking lots, immunities, etc. Those are things we created as a species, we introduced them to nature. Therefore, they are not natural.


You are right, though; the human population could not be what it is without their unnatural acts. PM me if you want more clarification, don't wanna be blowing up this thread anymore.

[uh-oh]

also i dont think incest is wrong either

i read somewhere about the old kings and shit who would keep it all in the fam

its something like, if me and my sister banged out 2 kids, a boy and a girl. they have like a 5 percent chance of having a big ass head or long dumb hands or something. but if those children reproduce, it doubles. so on and so forth. also if you bang your own kid tho, it like triples or some shit i forget. but thats why when plagues and shit hit, these big families of like 8 princes and 6 princes were dwindling to shit like 1 of each. and then you get MAD KINGS, shits basically game of thrones.

so really, if being gay is viewed as being fine, i dont see it as a huge leap to jump to incest. thats also a very natural thing. found amongst alot of shit yo. i think its chimps, but they'll fuck everyone and everything. might be bonobo's or some shit i think thats chimps. the only thing you wont see, is a mother fuck a son. but they are also a species who obviously fuck for pleasure.

but word if two dudes can play with eachothers buttholes, why can't i put my dick in my sisters?

REAL TALK

[oats]

I can see that argument, that everything happens because it's natural, but there are some contentions. For example, humans often fight impulses. You see a hot chick, you want to grab her tits, you see some dude pull out a stack of bills at a restaurant, you want to take/have it, etc. But you don't do those because, as a human, you're aware of social norms that defy your impulses. That inner-conflict is a testament to our ability to overcome nature (in this case, our inner-nature), which is not a natural thing to do compared to the rest of nature. Humans are the anomaly on this planet.


I'm operating on the definition of natural as "occurs freely in nature." This definition also may be a cause for confusion here.

[uh-oh]

what I'm saying is, the processes we've used to control and manipulate nature are not natural - they are man-made constructs that do not occur in nature. So your example of genetic manipulation is an example of something not natural, because that doesn't happen on its own in nature. Neither do office buildings, parking lots, immunities, etc. Those are things we created as a species, we introduced them to nature. Therefore, they are not natural.


You are right, though; the human population could not be what it is without their unnatural acts. PM me if you want more clarification, don't wanna be blowing up this thread anymore.
it happens on its own in nature.

we are a part of nature. you are looking at this from a perspective that humans are above animals or some shit.

a scientist changing a chromosone in a seed of corn to make some monsanto shit is ABSOLUTELY NATURAL. its no different than a bee making honey from pollen or whatever they're wizardry is. or a moth in china making silk.

you as a human see it as like, oh thats what moths do, thats natual. humans do what humans do. its natural.

everything we do or can do is natural. if we create a species, thats a natural process.

an alien from zoltar didnt come to this planet and create it. we did. and even if an alien did, whats the difference between that and a meteor with bacteria on it hitting earth? that bacteria isnt natural to the earth.

i think the real argument is the word natural. everything is natural.

i eat pizza and turn it into poop.

[oats]

see my post following that one. and no, we're no longer a part of nature. We are in a dominant position over it, we are above it. and the idea that if we choose to do something it is equal to it occurring on is own is fundamentally impossible.

[uh-oh]

you are not understanding that we are nature

everything we do is occurring freely in nature.

[oats]

I get it, but that doesn't mean every choice I make is a natural one. Refer to my example of going against your impulses - something is either a natural impulse or a consciously overridden decision, it can't be both.

We are/can be part of nature, but unlike the rest of nature, we are able to supersede our limitations and do things that are unnatural.

[VividEnds]

Oats is not making sense. Are cats and dogs unnatural because they've overridden fight or flight responses?

Our limitations are an extension of the size of our community. By forming nations and towns, our limitations expanded greatly. If we sent ten people into the wilderness with modern equipment, they would revert back to old ways within a generation or two because they have no means to sustain their existence/ maintain that equipment with their given population size.

[oats]

1. they haven't overridden fight or flight responses. go poke some animals in the eyeball and see how they respond.

2. domestication is also a man-made construct, and is not natural.

3. forming nations and towns, in itself, is not a natural phenomenon; no other organism in nature organizes itself similarly in terms of complexity or magnitude/expanse. Again, humans are the anomaly on the planet because we can defy and overcome nature completely.

[Celph Taut]

oats stays killing this thread, tbh.


Most sound of mind statements read in this thread.

[VividEnds]

That's a pain response. Humans have one too.

Just because you keep saying its unnatural, doesn't make it unnatural. Fuckin hell.

[oats]

pain-response is similar to fight or flight.


natural=occurs freely in nature. Point to any other part of nature that meets anything that you're saying (builds civilizations and large-scale communities, domesticates other animals, modifies other organisms genetically, etc etc etc) and you have an argument. Until then, you're stuck citing the EXCEPTION (humans) as your evidence, but that's a logical fallacy. My repetition exists solely for the purpose of your cognitive registration.

[VividEnds]

the only fallacy I see here is burden of proof

you haven't made a clear argument, only stated why ours is wrong

if you don't wanna go full discussion that's cool.

[uh-oh]

pain-response is similar to fight or flight.


natural=occurs freely in nature. Point to any other part of nature that meets anything that you're saying (builds civilizations and large-scale communities, domesticates other animals, modifies other organisms genetically, etc etc etc) and you have an argument. Until then, you're stuck citing the EXCEPTION (humans) as your evidence, but that's a logical fallacy. My repetition exists solely for the purpose of your cognitive registration.

ants create cities that dwarf ours.

they even domesticate other bugs as a constant reliable food source

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071009212548.htm

look at that one ant city, gonna have to google it. but in africa or somewhere, they poured concrete into it and then excavated it. shit was insane.

but word i understand what you are saying. you are just pulling a wool over your eyes and saying "UNNATURAL" when everything is natural. a serial killer is a natural occurance. it happens in nature.

[oats]

I have made a clear argument, numerous times. If anything, the whole "everything is natural" argument was a rebuttal to what I was saying about homosexuality.

My argument: Modern human society is built on a series of unnatural phenomenon, with "natural" defined as "something that occurs freely in nature," with "freely" meaning there are numerous, readily demonstrable examples.

Implications: Labeling something as immoral via being unnatural is a false assertion and cannot be made.

[Plot]

Im against gay marriage because the church don't want it,
if two fags wanna hook up and get medical benefits, then there should be
something passed it parliament to make them a registered recognized couple.
But they shouldn't be allowed to get married in a church, that it against what
the church stands for and they are just being fuckwits basically..
So no problem with gays having partnerships, but they will never be recognized by
the church, easy!
And I'm an atheist, I just feel the church is being slighted here.

[oats]

I anticipated the ant colony objection, though the aphid part is interesting and can definitely be used as a means to say animal domestication for the purpose of farming is natural. In terms of ant colony size, relative to total population it's not nearly as impressive or massive as LA or NY. Not to mention an entire civilization, such as the United States. Add in the complexity of networks (communication, plumbing, infrastructure, social hierarchy, specialization of labor, etc), ant colonies and human countries are not in the least bit comparable.


lol@pulling a wool over my eyes. 1. never said anything about serial killers (the act of killing is a naturally occurring phenomenon) 2. baseless comments about me indicates a lack of valid things to say on your behalf.

[VividEnds]

I have made a clear argument, numerous times. If anything, the whole "everything is natural" argument was a rebuttal to what I was saying about homosexuality.

My argument: Modern human society is built on a series of unnatural phenomenon, with "natural" defined as "something that occurs freely in nature," with "freely" meaning there are numerous, readily demonstrable examples.

Implications: Labeling something as immoral via being unnatural is a false assertion and cannot be made.

Thx

Now, what I am saying is this- the other connotation of the word "natural", as used by people in the homosexuality debate, implies that something is "with the will of nature", or is something that occurs/ 'comes to be' regardless of choice

As in skyscrapers and genetic modifications 'came to be' in order to efficiently house urban businesses that allow our society to function. And people see homosexuality as something that didnt 'come to be' because it serves no role in society

And I'm saying it is natural, because if it is a result of formative upbringing or early child development, and influence by culture, then it is inherently a part of human nature, and therefore within the scope of being purposeful



That might be poorly argued idk. I don't debate usually

[oats]

Thx

Now, what I am saying is this- the other connotation of the word "natural", as used by people in the homosexuality debate, implies that something is "with the will of nature", or is something that occurs/ 'comes to be' regardless of choice

As in skyscrapers and genetic modifications 'came to be' in order to efficiently house urban businesses that allow our society to function. And people see homosexuality as something that didnt 'come to be' because it serves no role in society

And I'm saying it is natural, because if it is a result of formative upbringing or early child development, and influence by culture, then it is inherently a part of human nature, and therefore within the scope of being purposeful



That might be poorly argued idk. I don't debate usually

I agree with what you're saying, but:

you're arguing connotation, I'm arguing definition. connotations are subjective, I'm talking in terms of universal acceptance.

It may be a "natural" inclination for humans to build and organize how we did, but that doesn't make the actual constructs natural. As opposed to ant colonies, which are built in conjunction with natural resources, our constructions are built on top of nature in a way that prevents coexistence. Therefore, they are not part of nature; they replaced it.

[uh-oh]

I anticipated the ant colony objection, though the aphid part is interesting and can definitely be used as a means to say animal domestication for the purpose of farming is natural. In terms of ant colony size, relative to total population it's not nearly as impressive or massive as LA or NY. Not to mention an entire civilization, such as the United States. Add in the complexity of networks (communication, plumbing, infrastructure, social hierarchy, specialization of labor, etc), ant colonies and human countries are not in the least bit comparable.


lol@pulling a wool over my eyes. 1. never said anything about serial killers (the act of killing is a naturally occurring phenomenon) 2. baseless comments about me indicates a lack of valid things to say on your behalf.

it could be argued that we aren't on the level of ants. they communicate through smells and shit right? how can we even wrap our human brains around there existence and try and compare them?

the only valid thing said in this debate is that everything is natural. you dont accept that because in your human brain, humans are important. we can't just be another organism on this rock doing its thing. we do this and that, and THIS. how many countless things do animals do that we don't? we live. we adapt. shit happens. its all natural.

everything just IS.

[oats]

you're talking about a different means of communication biologically because ants don't have the capacity to speak or write (just like we can't use echo-location to communicate - that's evolutionary, different animals don't need the same skills for their environments). Still yet, internet>communication via smelling in terms of sophistication and complexity.

I've said many valid things supporting that everything is NOT natural. You're projecting values that I've never mentioned (IE humans are important, can't be just another organism, etc). I've provided evidence for why humans are the exception to the rest of the planet, never made a judgement call though.

[Retali8]

This thread bores me.

None of u soundsmarts kno shit. Faggits r gay. Thread.over.

[VividEnds]

I agree with what you're saying, but:

you're arguing connotation, I'm arguing definition. connotations are subjective, I'm talking in terms of universal acceptance.

It may be a "natural" inclination for humans to build and organize how we did, but that doesn't make the actual constructs natural. As opposed to ant colonies, which are built in conjunction with natural resources, our constructions are built on top of nature in a way that prevents coexistence. Therefore, they are not part of nature; they replaced it.

Which constructions? Buildings, yes, but most habitats of animals are exclusive.

There are entire ecosystems within cities and especially towns, deer live in our parks and our backyards. They do excavate and remove nature, initially, but nature eventually comes back and enjoys a symbiotic relationship with humans. Even in the densest of constructions such as Mexico DF, Tokyo, and NYC, animals and nature are not removed or gotten rid of

Ants have to venture forth from their colonies to retrieve resources, just as we do. Our resources are processed time and time again, but we are tethered to the earth at a basic level through fossil fuels, food, water, etc

[oats]

I think humans are part of the natural world for the reasons you said (we are biological organisms and still rely on nature), but we also overcome and extend beyond what is natural, which is exclusive to humanity as a species.

Parks and trees exist in cities, but by no means are symbiotic. They're there because we choose them to be there. Symbiotic would be us digging holes into mountainsides or the ground, not killing everything beneath us with cement to build a sturdier foundation (cement, by the way, also not a natural substance, so anything made out of it is unnatural).

[oats]

in any case, I foresee this discussion going on and on, so I'm gonna bow out for now. I appreciate the civil debate, gentlemen.

[Dominate]

Only read the first and last pages so sorry if someone already made this point, but

The "it's gross therefore it's wrong" argument is so stupid. There are numerous combinations of people whose public displays of affection might gross you out:

- fat people
- old people
- your parents
- people you know in a professional capacity
- ugly people


etc etc etc

Unless you also have a problem with these people being together or getting married, that argument against gay marriage is dumbbbbb...


Also Dystopian you need to make the distinction between a state marriage and a church marriage. I agree churches can decide who they will or won't allow to marry, but governments can't.

[uh-oh]

I think humans are part of the natural world for the reasons you said (we are biological organisms and still rely on nature), but we also overcome and extend beyond what is natural, which is exclusive to humanity as a species.

Parks and trees exist in cities, but by no means are symbiotic. They're there because we choose them to be there. Symbiotic would be us digging holes into mountainsides or the ground, not killing everything beneath us with cement to build a sturdier foundation (cement, by the way, also not a natural substance, so anything made out of it is unnatural).

cement is natural

thats like saying a wasp nest is unnatural. its some weird paperish thing that wasps make there homes out of. it doesnt occur naturally unless a wasp makes it.

same can be said for cement. it doesnt occur naturally unless a human makes it.

we do not extend beyond what is natural. that is impossible. we just have different definitions or something yo. everything is natural. its just what it is. when you think of nature you must think of the woods.

theres a reason there is a saying "its in his nature". its something he naturally does. its in bill gates nature to do nerd shit you would view as unnatural, when in reality it is as natural as it gets bro

but word this is going nowhere. im agreeing to disagree and am saddened you refuse to see the light.

[oats]

Lol just look up the first definition of what "natural" means. You're talking philosophical interpretations of natural, I'm talking standard definition. There really is no debate here tbh.

[Geno]

I'm a city guy myself, fuck nature and the woods. Too many hillbillies

[uh-oh]

Lol just look up the first definition of what "natural" means. You're talking philosophical interpretations of natural, I'm talking standard definition. There really is no debate here tbh.

link me to the definition your going off of. first result in google is

1. Present in or produced by nature: a natural pearl.

human beings are present in, and produced by nature. anything we do is natural. if we were two bee's, having this discussion, we would think humans are just part of nature. we wouldnt be concerned with there evolutionary traits like making tools and shit. we can pollenate shit. humans cant.

(even tho monsanto is working on robot bees. which are "unnatural" according to you because they didnt just come about magically, even tho every part was made from something natural, by humans, who naturally make shit, go figure.)

but word. we just look at things differently i guess.

[Dominate]

It's interesting to me comparing the split in opinions now, in this thread, with similar threads on similar forums from like 10 years ago.... way more people in favour of legalising gay marriage and way less people displaying extreme homophobia.... progress is being made.... :)

Shit is really inevitable. Be on the right side of history.

[Split]

I'm a city guy myself, fuck nature and the woods. Too many hillbillies

Werd

[Plot]

So basically being a poof is unnatural and they shouldn't get married in churches.
Give em some kinda partnership license thing so they get their benefits.
And pulling your dick to lezzo porn isn't homo, as long as they're not butch

[Dominate]

some kinda partnership license thing

you mean... like a marriage?

LoL

A church marriage is far from being the only type of marriage accepted by the state. Atheists get married and it has nothing to do with the church or any type of religious institution, but it is still recognised as a MARRIAGE by the government. If you want to brand it as anything else then you need to rationalise it with an argument other than that it's not recognised by the church

church marriage is not the same as a marriage by law

[Plot]

So Im confused?
Church marriages, registry marriages..
Poofter partnerships... why dont they get medical benefits?
Isnt that the question here?
they want to get equal govt rights, but need to be married in a church?
So make it that you don't need to get 'partnered' in a church..
They can go and have a bog party on some poofter island to celebrate.

[Allen Knight]

Gow y would u even start this topic....i thought u an ur bf were on good terms

[oats]

uh-oh Oxford dictionary.

http://oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/natural?q=natural

[Dominate]

they want to get equal govt rights, but need to be married in a church?


No, they need to be recognised as being married the same way that any other couple is recognised as being married, by the government. Nothing to do with a church. They can have a non-religious ceremony.


Calling it anything other than a marriage opens the door for discrimination.

For example, by Australian immigration law same sex partners are allowed to get a partner visa the same as straight couples are - so this is the government recognising a same sex "partnership", HOWEVER, "married" partners can apply straight away whereas unmarried couples have to be living together for a year first.

And in Australian superannuation law there are a bunch of concessions for "related" people operating SMSFs, which includes married people but does not include same sex couples.

I haven't gone looking for this information, this is just what I know incidentally - I am sure there are dozens more examples.

The alternative to calling it a marriage is to change ALL of these laws to include "partnerships" or whatever you want to call it... but why would you?

If you agree that governments should recognise a same sex partnership and give exactly the same entitlements in every aspect of the law to such partnerships as to married couples, then there is no reason not to call this partnership a marriage.

Unless you are trying to argue that a "marriage" must be sanctioned by a religious institution, in which case I point again to atheist couples being called "married".

[Meth]

Not legalising gay marriage would be gay as fuck

[God Of War]

According to Aero

Oral sex and condoms should both be illegal. You know, since neither lead to reproduction.

Also, having sex for any means other than to have children? Illegal.

thats nto what he is saying and oral sex is actually a part of sex and could be considered an arousal move which happens with alot of animal types(the arousal aspect) so saying oh if its for reproduction then oral shouldnt be used is a fucking stupid arguement and you need your school teaching liscence revoked tbh

[God Of War]

and i started on this topic because I watch the news alot and I saw a school having issues with a 6 year old child for coming and saying he was gay when he is fucking 6. a 6 year old should not be able to determine his sexual orientaiton. so its media,people glorifying the homosexual shit that is making tht happen and its ridiculous

[Dominate]

GOW you can't seriously be advocating that the only legitimate purpose of sex is reproduction. There are better arguments you can make.

[God Of War]

GOW you can't seriously be advocating that the only legitimate purpose of sex is reproduction. There are better arguments you can make.

its the truth, i didn't say any one went by it but the fact of it is , is sex is for reproduction by any scientific stand point.

[Dominate]

and i started on this topic because I watch the news alot and I saw a school having issues with a 6 year old child for coming and saying he was gay when he is fucking 6. a 6 year old should not be able to determine his sexual orientaiton. so its media,people glorifying the homosexual shit that is making tht happen and its ridiculous

I agree with this. Pre-pubescent kids can't be considered gay OR straight. You don't have ANY sexual orientation at that age.


But I see ^this as having very little relevance to whether or not two consenting adults should be able to marry.

[God Of War]

I agree with this. Pre-pubescent kids can't be considered gay OR straight. You don't have ANY sexual orientation at that age.


But I see ^this as having very little relevance to whether or not two consenting adults should be able to marry.

I see nothing wrong with someone not being able to decapitate someone just because they don't feel like hearing them anymore. or better yet maybe someone who cant have a child wants a kid and you have more then one so i say they should be able to take one of yours rofl


theres no such thing as a homosexual gene so homosexuality is a choice, and if millions of choices daily is wrong then why cant that one be?

[Dominate]

its the truth, i didn't say any one went by it but the fact of it is , is sex is for reproduction by any scientific stand point.

So are you against using birth control?
Are you against post-menopausal women having sex?
Are you opposed to blow jobs that are just blow jobs and don't lead to sex?
Are you apposed to a dude fucking a girl in the ass?


The fact is, at least in western culture, MOST sex is not for reproduction and this is very widely tolerated and even encouraged.

[God Of War]

So are you against using birth control?
Are you against post-menopausal women having sex?
Are you opposed to blow jobs that are just blow jobs and don't lead to sex?
Are you apposed to a dude fucking a girl in the ass?


The fact is, at least in western culture, MOST sex is not for reproduction and this is very widely tolerated and even encouraged.

I think anal sex is gay as shit and nasty in genereal so yes i appose to that, as i said in the begining I am not telling any one what to choose I am somply stating my opinions on it.

and about your post menopausal question lets be real and take it out of the homosexual area for a moment. the only reason most people like that have sex is because they link it to some sort of fake emotion or feeling which is love or love like and it makes people feel desired, wanted etc. which it isnt true so its all a fucking brain fart that people make up on there own so no i dont think old people should fuck or have sex . and the birth control I would have to think alot about cuz as of now i have nothing really against it.a nd im not saying things i havent said isnt a bit hypocritical but every one is a hypocrit about everything so yeah.

[billy 12]

lmao

You know God Of War is serious when he capitalizes "I" and uses periods. Holy shit, it's a miracle.

ROFLZZZ

[Dominate]

If you are saying that sex for pleasure is wrong we can stop debating because we have a fundamental difference of opinion.

I think you're flip-flopping on that though. Surely YOU partake in sex that's not just for the sake of reproduction? Is that "wrong"?

Also, you've stated an opinion a couple of times along the lines of "I think ____ is nasty therefore I am opposed to ____ happening". But tell me, are you opposed to fat people fucking? Or your parents? How about ugly people? It's one thing to not want to see it or know about it, it's another thing to oppose it happening altogether. I have absolutely no qualms whatsoever with people saying gay sex is disgusting. I find it disgusting myself. But, that doesn't mean I'm opposed to it happening. Yadig?

[God Of War]

If you are saying that sex for pleasure is wrong we can stop debating because we have a fundamental difference of opinion.

I think you're flip-flopping on that though. Surely YOU partake in sex that's not just for the sake of reproduction? Is that "wrong"?

Also, you've stated an opinion a couple of times along the lines of "I think ____ is nasty therefore I am opposed to ____ happening". But tell me, are you opposed to fat people fucking? Or your parents? How about ugly people? It's one thing to not want to see it or know about it, it's another thing to oppose it happening altogether. I have absolutely no qualms whatsoever with people saying gay sex is disgusting. I find it disgusting myself. But, that doesn't mean I'm opposed to it happening. Yadig?


of course im opposed to my parents fucking who wants to see that shit, or fat people, and if i could i would prevent any elder sex from happening ever

[Objective]

If you are saying that sex for pleasure is wrong we can stop debating because we have a fundamental difference of opinion.

I think you're flip-flopping on that though. Surely YOU partake in sex that's not just for the sake of reproduction? Is that "wrong"?

Also, you've stated an opinion a couple of times along the lines of "I think ____ is nasty therefore I am opposed to ____ happening". But tell me, are you opposed to fat people fucking? Or your parents? How about ugly people? It's one thing to not want to see it or know about it, it's another thing to oppose it happening altogether. I have absolutely no qualms whatsoever with people saying gay sex is disgusting. I find it disgusting myself. But, that doesn't mean I'm opposed to it happening. Yadig?

/thread.

[God Of War]

lmao listen there is no person in the world who beleives in a beleif 100 percent. if you say there is then you lie because theres always going to be certain asepcts overlooked/disagreed with/ or certain things you can deal with. its life. so saying "u have sex with out producing children means your a hypocrit" well every one is a hypocrit as i said earlier about almost everything they believe in at some level of there belief.

[Dominate]

of course im opposed to my parents fucking who wants to see that shit, or fat people, and if i could i would prevent any elder sex from happening ever

Again, I'm saying there's a big difference between:

1. Finding something disgusting and not wanting to see it ever EVER EVERRRRR

and

2. Opposing it happening and supporting laws that punish it

[God Of War]

but read what i just said bro

[Dominate]

lmao listen there is no person in the world who beleives in a beleif 100 percent. if you say there is then you lie because theres always going to be certain asepcts overlooked/disagreed with/ or certain things you can deal with. its life. so saying "u have sex with out producing children means your a hypocrit" well every one is a hypocrit as i said earlier about almost everything they believe in at some level of there belief.

Sure, but there are levels. You saying on the one hand that a blow job without sex is fine but gay sex is not because it serves no reproductive function is VERY hypocritical

[God Of War]

Sure, but there are levels. You saying on the one hand that a blow job without sex is fine but gay sex is not because it serves no reproductive function is VERY hypocritical

lol bro you cant determine a level of hypocrisy. something is either hypocritical or it isn't.

[Fart]

humans and dolphins are the only species on earth that do not have sex JUST to reproduce. argument invalid

[Dominate]

humans and dolphins are the only species on earth that do not have sex JUST to reproduce. argument invalid

How do dolphins have sex not to reproduce?

[Fart]

They have sex for pleasure too

[Dominate]

How? I mean how does it differ from, say, dogs having sex?

Like... the immediate reason a lot of animals make whoopee is because they get horny and it feels good. They get horny and it feels good because that's what evolution did to make them make babies.

But humans are the only species that seeks to prevent the reproductive aspect of having sex and use it solely for pleasure... unless there is something about dolphins I didn't know....?

[God Of War]

They have sex for pleasure too

so your trying to claim that dolphins and humans are the only ones who get pleasure froms ex? if so that is absurd and you need to check your resources

[Dominate]

I thought maybe he was saying dolphins do blow jobs or something ... but I didn't find anything along those lines in teh googlez

[God Of War]

lmao he is saying they do it for pleasure aswell, but the scientific community has no way of knowing for sure, wolves dont have sex yearly because of the fact they could be attacked when there with a female so they could also be the same, also bonobos are the same. so yeah


ANIMAL KINGDOM UP IN HEAAAAA

[Dominate]

I'm pretty sure dogs bump nasties for pleasure. Why else would they hump people's legs/couch cushions/blankets/my favourite teddy bear when I was a kid?

[God Of War]

I'm pretty sure dogs bump nasties for pleasure. Why else would they hump people's legs/couch cushions/blankets/my favourite teddy bear when I was a kid?

lmao exactly, uinless there idea of reproduction is that fucked up


a teddy bear puppy hybrid could be cool as fuck or weird as fuck

either way someone would buy it off ebay

[Meth]

I agree w/ my homie GoW.

respect his opinion b/c he's my homie, the GoW.

[God Of War]

I agree w/ my homie GoW.

However, respect his opinion b/c he's my homie, the GoW.


FIXED FOR CLARIFICATION

[Meth]

what was changed?

[Fart]

so your trying to claim that dolphins and humans are the only ones who get pleasure froms ex? if so that is absurd and you need to check your resources

its a fact.

[God Of War]

its a fact.

its not a fact, bonobos also do it, wolves could possibly do it,t here is no way to get a for sure fact from it

[God Of War]

what was changed?

nothing lol

[Meth]

lmao

[Friendship]

What a great friendship between God Of War and Meth

Wow, do you think I could be your friend as well?

[Urban Dialect]

don't give in to your sexual perversions, resist those perverted thoughts, don't try to
justify it, for Nature herself testifies it's an abomination and unnatural
if u say u where born like this
then u can't get mad when people say that you're sick, cos it's the truth
but it is written that those that speak the truth will be persecuted,
behold, you're seeing it with your own eyes
but the wheat and the tares will grow up together,
they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to
another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

[VividEnds]

don't give in to your sexual perversions, resist those perverted thoughts, don't try to
justify it, for Nature herself testifies it's an abomination and unnatural
if u say u where born like this
then u can't get mad when people say that you're sick, cos it's the truth
but it is written that those that speak the truth will be persecuted,
behold, you're seeing it with your own eyes
but the wheat and the tares will grow up together,
they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to
another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

Wow. You butchered that bible quote. Congrats on letting some hashed together anecdotes tell you how to make other people think

[Urban Dialect]

Wow. You butchered that bible quote. Congrats on letting some hashed together anecdotes tell you how to make other people think

resist those perverted thoughts,

[Bodey]

i dont think you can help who you fall in love with. and maybe it's cuz i know a buncha people but i really dont think anyone would actually CHOOSE that lifestyle, i'm sick of people acting like it's a choice. gotta be more open-minded and supportive to be honest. i did see a funny comic strip that said "let's put a stop to gay stereotypes by dressing up in rainbow thongs and dancing on glittery parade floats" which is hilarious.

but still, if 2 people are in love and they're told they cant get married because god hates gays or it's not natural, its just kinda sad. does that mean they have to go find other partners and be miserable the rest of their lives cuz they're not with the person they wanna be with? i know a girl who's with a girl and both of these girls ahve always been with guys until they found each other. and they'll both say they dont consider htemselves gay, they just found love with one another lol. i mean, call it waht you want but i kind of understand that. it is what it is, ya know

[God Of War]

i dont think you can help who you fall in love with. and maybe it's cuz i know a buncha people but i really dont think anyone would actually CHOOSE that lifestyle, i'm sick of people acting like it's a choice. gotta be more open-minded and supportive to be honest. i did see a funny comic strip that said "let's put a stop to gay stereotypes by dressing up in rainbow thongs and dancing on glittery parade floats" which is hilarious.



are you serious? because its not fucking genetic thats for sure im sure science is smarter then someone just saying "oh its not a choice" . being gay is a choice.

[Dominate]

Just because is not genetic doesnt automatically make it a choice.

There's no gene for having a foot fetish, but some ppl just wind up getting turned on by that shit. You can "choose" not to act on it, but it's still there.

I'd say both are a product of your environment/experiences

[Evolve]

its a fact.

Your. Sig. Is. Fucking. Genius.

[God Of War]

Just because is not genetic doesnt automatically make it a choice.

There's no gene for having a foot fetish, but some ppl just wind up getting turned on by that shit. You can "choose" not to act on it, but it's still there.

I'd say both are a product of your environment/experiences

so now homosexuality is a product of your enviroment? its a choice, just like who you have sex with. or else stalkers could say the person they was stalking was ment to be with them and they didnt have a choice but to stalk them because it was destiny rofl

the product of your enviroment arguement is ridiculous thats like selling crack because your from the hood. u do it because its a choice you have not because of the building you live in or the block you live on

[Dominate]

You can't choose your urges. You can choose whether or not to act on them. If you've got the urge to stalk someone, too fucking bad, you need to resist it, because that has negative consequences for someone else. If you've got the urge to get fucked in the ass however, it doesn't hurt anyone else so you can go right ahead and act on that urge, it's nobody else's business to tell you you can't.

[Dominate]

So just for clarification, I'm saying the urge for a guy to be with another guy is a product of his environment/experiences. Of course it's a choice as to whether or not he acts on it, just like everything else is a choice.

But there's no reason why he should have to resist that urge

[God Of War]

then there isnt a reason to resit any urges. ive had urges to bash someones skull in and had to fight that for the sake of humanity and my freedom. faggots should do the same thing....u choose to be gay so it can be chosen not to . for it to be a product of your enviroment you would need to be allowed around people and places that condone it constantly. a product of your enviroment would lead more towards anti gay tbh

[Witty]

its not a fact, bonobos also do it, wolves could possibly do it,t here is no way to get a for sure fact from it

I think he means humans and dolphins are the only animals to have sex ONLY for pleasure....other animals get the pleasure, but it is just a bi-product, they only have sex to reproduce.

[God Of War]

I think he means humans and dolphins are the only animals to have sex ONLY for pleasure....other animals get the pleasure, but it is just a bi-product, they only have sex to reproduce.

still untrue

wolves dont have s4ex just to reprodue they just dont constantly have it because of survival

bonobos have sex for pleasure aswell

etc

[Witty]

You're probably right, I have been led to believe it is only humans and dolphins too but things like that are rarely completly accurate, so I'll take your word for it lol

[Dominate]

then there isnt a reason to resit any urges. ive had urges to bash someones skull in and had to fight that for the sake of humanity and my freedom. knucks should do the same thing....

well thats the whole argument. I'm of the opinion that they're not hurting anyone by being gay and that its none of anyone else's business, so they dont need to resist their urge to be gay.

u choose to be gay so it can be chosen not to . for it to be a product of your enviroment you would need to be allowed around people and places that condone it constantly. a product of your enviroment would lead more towards anti gay tbh

No, again - I'm saying the URGE to be gay is a product of your experiences, not the choice to act on that urge.