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Beyond
06-02-2014, 11:07 AM
I got the Spurs in 6, fuck Ray Allen.

Time to avenge the last loss.

ill nik-A

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Strikta
06-02-2014, 11:23 AM
Heat in 7.

We all know what the league & ESPN wanna see.

The officiating will be horrible as well, I'm sure.

uh-oh
06-02-2014, 12:18 PM
heat in 4

El Muffin
06-02-2014, 12:31 PM
heat in 4

Lay off that Hard, nigga

Only difference between this n last one is spurs have home advtg.

Spurs in 7

-young kawhi Leonard is the truth on D

PancakeBrah
06-02-2014, 12:36 PM
Spurs are the better team. They're as good as last year. Their ball movement and selfless style is just leagues above the rest of the NBA. They're like those Barcelona teams in soccer. They just execute you to death.

The Heat are a little worse than last year. And it took one of the greatest shots in NBA history to win it. Battier was a key player last year and he's damn near retired. Mike Millers gone. Their 3-point shooting is down, a key cog in what made them so formidable. James/wade/Bosh with at least one good three point shooter on the floor. Now they just have Allen who can only.play so many minutes. Their manic recovery style defense isn't as stout now; they've played so many games and their peripheral players are a step slower.

With all that said, LeBron James is the best player and the league and you can't look at it purely objectively when he's involved.

My mind says Spurs in 5/7.

But ill take the Heat in 6

El Muffin
06-02-2014, 12:47 PM
Tiago splitter=x factor

If he plays well..its over

If hes just regular splitter then disregard ehat I said.

A legitimate post presence bothers the heat..n tiago is legit 40 percent of time lol so theres that. Dude like a poor mans gortat

namix
06-02-2014, 01:13 PM
i really hope the spurs win...

Hush
06-02-2014, 01:38 PM
hoping for spurs
but got the feeling heat winning tho (sadly)

El Muffin
06-02-2014, 01:52 PM
Tim Duncan a closet homo: Fact

Divorce settlement raises eyebrows if u know details

namix
06-02-2014, 02:04 PM
Spurs have home court right?

I just do not see Heat taking a game 7 away @ San Antonio...

I actually could see the Heat winning in 6 before winning in 7....

I bet if it goes 7 games, the Spurs win... I could see the Heat grabbing one of the first two away games though and make for a real interesting series.

StarFaggot
06-02-2014, 02:06 PM
Heat have the younger legs and less playoff mileage as it concerns to this year. Rashad Lewis has stepped up and if it came down to it they could play Greg Oden. Spurs have a great system and unselfish style of play but so do the Heat.

Heat in 5.

StarFaggot
06-02-2014, 02:07 PM
Tim Duncan a closet homo: Fact

Divorce settlement raises eyebrows if u know details

Details

El Muffin
06-02-2014, 02:16 PM
I mean im not going to act like everything is set in stone. Theres always two sidrs of the story.

Reason for divorce? He wadnt consumating marriage due to an affair with a man

This was brought up in court n there was no contestion

Not 100 percent certain if duncan wad like yea yea bitch heres ur money fukouutamylife or not.

Js

Hush
06-02-2014, 02:16 PM
he look gay

El Muffin
06-02-2014, 02:22 PM
Booty loose

Strikta
06-02-2014, 02:25 PM
Duncan isn't gay tf?

El Muffin
06-02-2014, 02:37 PM
Manu n tony dp this loose booty ass nigga

Strikta
06-02-2014, 02:39 PM
He needs tp for his bunghole..... no Beavis.

El Muffin
06-02-2014, 02:44 PM
Zing

StarFaggot
06-02-2014, 02:58 PM
He needs tp for his bunghole..... no Beavis.

I get cash, strip search your girl for her racks... No cleavage

Tom Sparks
06-02-2014, 03:22 PM
I want Miami to win but I'll think the spurs will win in 3

No typo

El Muffin
06-02-2014, 03:29 PM
Is it just me or is lbj trying too hard to transcend bball. You can just see it..it seeps out his pores. Ugh. Those non genuine facial expressions cliche peyton manning intetview answers

I dont think hes genuine at all..cept on the court

I respect him..theres just sumthing...off to me

Kinda offsubject but just wanted to see if u guys noticed too.

big baby
06-02-2014, 03:49 PM
Is it just me or is lbj trying too hard to transcend bball. You can just see it..it seeps out his pores. Ugh. Those non genuine facial expressions cliche peyton manning intetview answers

I dont think hes genuine at all..cept on the court

I respect him..theres just sumthing...off to me

Kinda offsubject but just wanted to see if u guys noticed too.
lmao WTFUCKA?????? lmao u analyzing interview wtf u creep "hos gesitculationz was slightly off... he was abused as child. probably dates a leo"

El Muffin
06-02-2014, 03:53 PM
I analyze body language (subliminally). Everyones. I think im adept at this and prior instances are proof (long stpry but srs)

Not just interviews im talkin everything. Off camera as well. Inb4 u havent seen him in person.

big baby
06-02-2014, 03:55 PM
I analyze body language. Everyones. I think im adept at this and prior instances are proof

Not just interviews im talkin everything. Off camera as well. Inb4 u havent seen him in person.

so sexi recognizing body language ;)

Beyond
06-02-2014, 05:08 PM
Pancake has the best post in this thread so far.

Heat have the younger legs and less playoff mileage as it concerns to this year. Rashad Lewis has stepped up and if it came down to it they could play Greg Oden. Spurs have a great system and unselfish style of play but so do the Heat.

Heat in 5.

You don't watch basketball. Heat are actually older than the Spurs overall. This is the 4th straight year Heat have gone to the finals. Oden is injured. There is no way Heat will win in 5 unless half the Spurs roster is out due to injury.

You clearly didn't watch last year's finals with a worse Spurs team taking a better Heat team to 7. Heat actually would of lost in 6 if not for 2 back to back 3's in the last 28 seconds of the game. Logic dictates this series is the Spurs' to lose, but people have a 'feeling' the Heat will win. That feeling wouldn't happen to be officiating would it? Because if it is, the Spurs actually got more calls last year.

I just don't see how any sane person would believe the Heat will win in 4-5 this time considering the following: (1) the Spurs are better this year. They have a better record, they are the #1 seed and have home court advantage this time (2) the home court system was changed this year from 2 3 2 back to 2 2 1 1 1, making it less favorable for the away team since they won't get 3 games in a row at home anymore (3) the Heat is worse this year. They lost one of the best 3 point shooters in the league in Mike Miller and were a .500 team in the second half of the season.

Another thing to consider going back to your point about the Heat playing less minutes in this post season. They haven't really been tested too much yet. Their hardest test was the Pacers and they turned into a .500 team, too, in the second half of the season and then looked mediocre in the play offs every other game. Not only that, but you also have to factor in the fact that the Spurs get to rest their starters a lot more than every other team in the NBA, including the Heat. I mean, Pop sat them out in the 3rd quarter of Game 5 vs. OKC this last round and then Parker sat the entire 2nd half in Game 6 in preparation for the Heat.

They're ready. First 1 seed since the merge to not have any players playing over 30 minutes per game this season. The Pacers wanted home court advantage in order to beat the Heat this season and ran their starting line up into the ground in order to get it. On the other hand, the Spurs realized they were older this year and made sure to play their bench more than ever this season, not only to rest their starters for the post season, but to also get their bench plenty of confidence and playing time in anticipation for the finals this year.

It's chess, not checkers, and the Spurs have made the all the right moves in order for them to accomplish what they want to accomplish this year. I'm not saying they can't lose, or even that they should be favored against the 2-time defending champs, but they have more than a snowball's chance in hell of winning. I can see the Heat trying to clinch in 6 like they did the Pacers (although the Spurs are wayyyy more consistent, have more offensive weapons, have much better ball movement, etc etc etc), but saying the Heat will win in 4 or 5 just doesn't make any sense.

Either way, should be a good and exciting finals. Can't wait.

El Muffin
06-02-2014, 05:15 PM
Ok bomani jones

Paradigm
06-02-2014, 05:16 PM
It all comes down to Tony Parkers health, again... just like last year

El Muffin
06-02-2014, 05:19 PM
yo who come off the bench running the point for spurs? I forget

Patty mills?

Oh god

Tp health =supreme concern

StarFaggot
06-02-2014, 05:25 PM
I learned not to go on a big spiel bc Everything is just guesstimations. Spurs struggled with Dallas in first round Bey so that nullifies a lot of what you say.

If this series is taken to 6 games it's only bc the Heat and NBA want to make this into some kind of legendary battle.


If you have Lebron James, Dwayne Wade you are not losing it's really that simple.

I'd bet money on Heat 3peat.

Beyond
06-02-2014, 05:26 PM
yo who come off the bench running the point for spurs? I forget

Patty mills?

Oh god

Tp health =supreme concern

lol, Patty Mills has actually played very well this season off the bench. Legit 6 man of the year contender and great 3 point shooter/ball handler. Spurs have so many shooters this season, it's crazy. Mills, the 3 point shoot out champion Marco Belinelli, Danny Green who set an NBA finals record for most 3 point shots made last year vs the Heat, Ginobili, Leonard, etc. Hell, even Parker and Diaw make 3's at times. Heat can't leave anyone open on this roster without having to worry about them knocking down the open shot.

Beyond
06-02-2014, 05:32 PM
I learned not to go on a big spiel bc Everything is just guesstimations. Spurs struggled with Dallas in first round Bey so that nullifies a lot of what you say.

If this series is taken to 6 games it's only bc the Heat and NBA want to make this into some kind of legendary battle.


If you have Lebron James, Dwayne Wade you are not losing it's really that simple.

I'd bet money on Heat 3peat.

Just looked, but Spurs are the favorites vs. the Heat in the finals this year. Struggling vs. a 50 win team that would of been the 3rd seed in the East doesn't nullify anything. Dallas would of given the Heat problems, too. Just look at 2011.

You clearly don't watch basketball if you think the only way the Spurs take it to 6 is because the Heat let them and/or Adam Silver want a long series.

LeBron is the best player in the league, no dispute there, but Wade has been on the decline for years now. And even those 2 alone couldn't stop the Spurs from winning it all last year. It took a Ray Allen 3 (another future HOF'er) to give a whiff of that title. Not only that, but Durant is the second best player in the world and Westbrook is a top 5/10 player (better than Wade) and look what happened to them.

If you'd bet money on Heat 3peat, I suggest laying down some of that penny stocks money, boy, because like I said they are the underdogs this time around. Put your money where you mouth is and talk the talk, Mr. Friendzone.

uh-oh
06-02-2014, 05:36 PM
Lay off that Hard, nigga

Only difference between this n last one is spurs have home advtg.

Spurs in 7

-young kawhi Leonard is the truth on D

realistically its gonna be heat in 6 or 7 because the nba is the most corrupt league there is, the refs will do whatever possible to stretch these series out

i havent watched a single game all year lmao, i've been watching sportscenter highlights tho, the spurs been murking

just a blind biased lebron fan

330 WATUP

StarFaggot
06-02-2014, 05:37 PM
Just looked, but Spurs are the favorites vs. the Heat in the finals this year. Struggling vs. a 50 win team that would of been the 3rd seed in the East doesn't nullify anything. Dallas would of given the Heat problems, too. Just look at 2011.

You clearly don't watch basketball if you think the only way the Spurs take it to 6 is because the Heat let them and/or Adam Silver want a long series.

LeBron is the best player in the league, no dispute there, but Wade has been on the decline for years now. And even those 2 alone couldn't stop the Spurs from winning it all last year. It took a Ray Allen 3 (another future HOF'er) to give a whiff of that title. Not only that, but Durant is the second best player in the world and Westbrook is a top 5/10 player (better than Wade) and look what happened to them.

If you'd bet money on Heat 3peat, I suggest laying down some of that penny stocks money, boy, because like I said they are the underdogs this time around. Put your money where you mouth is and talk the talk, Mr. Friendzone.


Lololol aight nigga

King Ra.
06-02-2014, 06:36 PM
Beyond the Omega.

Inno
06-02-2014, 06:48 PM
Spurs are better.

Heat have destiny. Om there side.

Will be tough though..real tough I'm not gonna front
And say I'm not worried for the heat. Shit the spurs
Could dam well sweep them the way they have been
Balling...i honestly don't know...I'm hoping the heat pull it off in 6

Strikta
06-02-2014, 07:14 PM
LeBron a str8 pussy.

uh-oh
06-02-2014, 07:28 PM
LeBron a str8 G.

word word

Beyond
06-02-2014, 09:21 PM
LeBron a str8 pussy.

Lance made that nigga his bitch. Had to get Haslem to fight his own battles. Pathetic.

But ayyyo, what's good with your Wizards? I actually enjoy watching them play. Dope starting line up that will only get better with more play off experience. I thought they'd beat the Pacers with the way they were playing, but they just made too many mistakes down the stretch. I'm really looking forward to their future, though.

uh-oh
06-02-2014, 09:42 PM
stephenson is a ho

Inno
06-02-2014, 10:01 PM
Lance made that nigga his bitch. Had to get Haslem to fight his own battles. Pathetic.

But ayyyo, what's good with your Wizards? I actually enjoy watching them play. Dope starting line up that will only get better with more play off experience. I thought they'd beat the Pacers with the way they were playing, but they just made too many mistakes down the stretch. I'm really looking forward to their future, though.



And,how is that sir?

Did James avg over 25 points a,game?

I believe,so.


I know I know u mean when he,was acting like
A retard and 1 player? You know those hasbeens.

Yeah because how,far did that get him?

At least he got first row to the finals right.

El Muffin
06-03-2014, 01:59 AM
He blew in that nigga ear on some seductive shit.

Ion care I fucks with born ready the long way.

And yea the wiz are nice...you know what surprised the most?

1. Beals slashing ability..n finishing at the rim
2. Martell websters on ball d
3 trevor ariza channeling tim legler n shit

uh-oh
06-03-2014, 06:41 AM
He blew in that nigga ear on some seductive shit.


he also open hand touched lebrons mouth and almost caught a left uppercut

but lebron is a pro, and stephenson knew lebron couldnt react, and worst case scenario lebron does react, and completely bodies that ho of a man hiding behind the rules of the nba, and then lebron gets ejected from the game, maybe even games plural

so stephenson is a ho.

Strikta
06-03-2014, 10:32 AM
Lance made that nigga his bitch. Had to get Haslem to fight his own battles. Pathetic.

But ayyyo, what's good with your Wizards? I actually enjoy watching them play. Dope starting line up that will only get better with more play off experience. I thought they'd beat the Pacers with the way they were playing, but they just made too many mistakes down the stretch. I'm really looking forward to their future, though.

Woord.. yeah, lack of playoff experience, plus Wall was inconsistent at times.

We're keeping Gortat & Ariza.. Beal will get better & so will John.. Nene MIGHT get traded.. rumor has it that we're looking at trying to land K. Love.

I like Randy Wittman & I'm glad we extended him.

Hopefully next year we see the ECF.

It was a special run for us.. we balled.

Zen
06-03-2014, 10:43 AM
If the Wizards ended up getting Kevin Love they'd be a very strong team.

Strikta
06-03-2014, 10:45 AM
Yeah, Love got a sweet spot for the Wiz on the low.. the Bullets drafted his pops back in 71'.

I can only prey.

KwaL!ty
06-03-2014, 11:31 AM
Heat will win in 6 based.. They will win it with their last home game and make Father Riley the most money avail..

PancakeBrah
06-03-2014, 12:59 PM
Great Finals Preview by the always excellent Zach Lowe;

http://grantland.com/features/nba-finals-preview-heat-spurs-2014/

He knows strategy and x's and o's. Long read but worth it.

Beyond
06-11-2014, 07:16 PM
heat in 4

Heat have the younger legs and less playoff mileage as it concerns to this year. Rashad Lewis has stepped up and if it came down to it they could play Greg Oden. Spurs have a great system and unselfish style of play but so do the Heat.

Heat in 5.

lol

It all comes down to Tony Parkers health, again... just like last year

Spurs actually seem to play better when Parker isn't on the floor. He overdribbles a lot and does too many iso's. I remember last night both Parker and Duncan were frustrating the shit out of me in the second half. Maybe it's because the Heat started playing really good defense on them or maybe they just weren't playing well. Idk. All I know is they kept trying to feed it to Duncan in the post and every time LeBron or someone would come over and immediately slap it out of his hands or deny him the ball. This happened a LOT. With Parker, he would inbound the ball, dribble dribble dribble, try to penetrate, fail, dribble dribble dribble, take a contested jumper and miss. Was very happy when Pop took them out the game so we could start building back our lead again.

Other than that though Leonard, Green, Diaw, etc all played great. Leonard in specific was insane and clearly the best player on the floor. LeBron started off with 14 in the first then a stunning 8 points for the next 3 quarters. Completely vanished. This is something Heat stans seem to have forgotten about this dude. He isn't always in attack mode. Sometimes he's just passive. Leonard was shitting all over him, forcing turnovers left and right. The man had more turnovers than assists. C'mon, man.

Green was an animal as well. Had 5 steals. Dude was destroying Wade, picking his pocket like a fucking thief then knocking down the 3 or going to the basket for the easy lay up. Everyone was going complete ham. They started off 19 for 21, they were shooting over 90% from the field. Best NBA half of all time. Heat are in trouble. Game 4 is a MUST win for the Heat or they are finished. Then after that they pretty much have to win the next 2 as well if they want to close it out in 6 in Miami. They don't wanna go back to San Antonio for Game 7. Last year Game 7 was in Miami and it went down to the wire even after one of the worst collapses in finals history in Game 6. If this goes 7, Spurs are winning.

There's nothing surer than that.

Paradigm
06-11-2014, 07:25 PM
its because they game planned parker very well more so than anything else

putting lebron on him they are able to stick to spurs shooters

then ginobli comes in and is able to get penetration and kick it out the way parker usually does

spurs played the best basketball ive ever seen in that stretch the way they drove and kicked making the extra pass every possession, the spacing, defender recognition etc

no way Heat wins or any team if they play like that

Joe Metts
06-11-2014, 07:37 PM
We don't have the pieces to trade for Love.

Whittman isn't a good coach either. I suppose he earned his extension tho.

Wizards been playoff ready for 2 years but could never have the best rotations on the court due to injuries.

Inno
06-11-2014, 07:54 PM
Heat in 6

We lost game 3 last year by 36.

Yeah.

Joe Metts
06-11-2014, 08:03 PM
You won game 6 on a shot that will never be repeated again lol


It's gonna be a good series any way you slice it tho.

Inno
06-11-2014, 10:23 PM
Just like shooting 80%? Lol

Its looking like dejavu tho.

StarFaggot
06-12-2014, 10:12 PM
I've been going for Spurs I just didn't want to jinx them.

We got this 4-1

PancakeBrah
06-12-2014, 10:17 PM
lol poverty Miami is poverty

Good night sweet aspirations

Good night sweet GOAT candidacy

Good night sweet .500 record in the Finals

Good night sweet Dade County

No more tears

only dreams now

El Muffin
06-12-2014, 10:21 PM
Who
What
When and
Kawhi we gettin our ass kicked like dis doe


Where is the pg position for miami?

Lolool

Lebron got that defeatist look he had in Cleveland

big baby
06-12-2014, 10:22 PM
fucking dead @ the boos at homecourt.

El Muffin
06-12-2014, 10:26 PM
That shits funny as fuck.

I hope the lead extends to 40 n they all leave b4 4th qtr starts

Typical heat fans

Edit: jalen rose dont ever di that again. U not mark jackson

Cringe

El Muffin
06-12-2014, 10:45 PM
Now they say lebron gotta take a dookie

For shame

Leg cramps

Constipation/ bubbleguts

Diode
06-12-2014, 11:59 PM
ENJOY MELO, WE DONT WANT HIM ANYMORE

*** CAPSPACE ***

PancakeBrah
06-13-2014, 12:22 AM
I'm sure the Knicks will make the best use of that cap space with Jim Dolan running the show.

Derek Fisher is the worst.

Diode
06-13-2014, 12:28 AM
I'm sure the Knicks will make the best use of that cap space with Jim Dolan running the show.

Derek Fisher is the worst.

thomas < dolan < bargniani < fisher < woodson < zenmaster

big baby
06-13-2014, 02:04 AM
How do you know he's the worst if he hasnt coached yet

El Muffin
06-13-2014, 02:07 AM
Pre cog ala minority report

Masaii
06-13-2014, 02:13 AM
Pre cog ala minority report

Looool

Seems legit

uh-oh
06-13-2014, 07:20 AM
sounds like the heat are terrible wtf?

lebron was the only heat player with more than 8 points going into the 4th?????

Inno
06-13-2014, 08:22 AM
heat win 3 in a row.

oats
06-13-2014, 08:46 AM
Heat win 3 in a row and become legendary all-time team: 5% chance
Spurs win it in 5: 70% chance
Spurs win it in 6: 10% chance
Spurs win it in 7: 15% chance

Oats out

PancakeBrah
06-13-2014, 09:18 AM
How do you know he's the worst if he hasnt coached yet

He's just the worst.

Not as a coach. Although with that roster and him being the worst I assume it won't end well.

Big baby learn to read, 'idiyote'

Diode
06-13-2014, 09:37 AM
He's just the worst.

Not as a coach. Although with that roster and him being the worst I assume it won't end well.

Big baby learn to read, 'idiyote'

idk jason kidd is running away w/ that title right now

PancakeBrah
06-13-2014, 10:23 AM
I just dislike Fisher. Rode coattails for championships. Flops. Announcers say he 'plays the game the right way' and 'does all the small things' when in reality he's a horrible player. Even at his peak he was at best below average. But he gets by because he was on great teams. Dude pisses me off.

At least Kidd is a hofer.

But maybe hell be a good coach. He knows the triangle.

The triangle of being a BITCH

oats
06-13-2014, 10:39 AM
Truth. Fisher may have been the worst starting point guard in the league at various points in his career.

Coaching takes time, though. I'm still confident in Kidd. We'll see in a few years.

El Muffin
06-13-2014, 10:49 AM
Fisher hit some clutch shots tho

Rmbr that .5 secs remaining shot he made against spurs?

Cmon he was better than avery johnson

Cake u know fuck all

Nig ur ymca shenanigans dont translate

D fish was a good onball defender in his prime. Good for the occasional top of the key 3

oats
06-13-2014, 11:52 AM
.4 I think. I remember that shot - after that I swore they were a team of destiny and would win it all. Then the Pistons happened.

PancakeBrah
06-13-2014, 11:57 AM
Fisher hit some clutch shots tho

Rmbr that .5 secs remaining shot he made against spurs?

Cmon he was better than avery johnson

Cake u know fuck all

Nig ur ymca shenanigans dont translate

D fish was a good onball defender in his prime. Good for the occasional top of the key 3

Get off my dick. Thanks.

Oh so he made one shot and his career is vindicated. Gotcha.

Look up his stats. Look up advanced metic's. But more than that watch his current and old play. He was well below average.

He's an absolute horrid defender now. Teams target him whenever he's on the floor.

What's funny is if someone else had said what I did you wouldn't have responded. Quit your obsession with me. You're irrelevant, thanks.

El Muffin
06-13-2014, 12:00 PM
Nah .

You are skip bayless

I am jalen rose

Js

Ymca pickup games... n all of a sudden your an expert?


Lol

Water pistol pete

PancakeBrah
06-13-2014, 12:04 PM
Yawn

El Muffin
06-13-2014, 12:12 PM
Parlay pickup games against Pakistanian refugees into expert analytics

Just stop skip

You have no real life experience s

PancakeBrah
06-13-2014, 12:13 PM
Yawn

Certain
06-13-2014, 12:15 PM
Derek Fisher used to be what Mario Chalmers is now, except he never was criticized to the same degree.

oats
06-13-2014, 01:21 PM
Fisher made some undeniably clutch shots, but overall he was a weak link

El Muffin
06-13-2014, 01:32 PM
Avg around 10 to 13 pts per game in his prime

Shooting mid 30s from deep

Assists were low obv because kobe too much iso..n shaq

But imho he wadnt below avg. Id say he was average

Let.me.put things into.perspective

SMUSH PARKER
ERIC SNOW
HOWARD EISLEY
CHUCKY ATKINS

mebe Avery johnson

Those r below avg pgs

K?

Certain
06-13-2014, 01:47 PM
Avg around 10 to 13 pts per game in his prime

Shooting mid 30s from deep

Assists were low obv because kobe too much iso..n shaq

But imho he wadnt below avg. Id say he was average

Overrated defender who never once topped a 15 PER and didn't actually hit that many big shots, all told, but instead hit a couple truly memorable ones only because Kobe Bryant trusted him because they came in together. And almost no team starts a point guard who averages 11 points and four assists a game. And Fisher's numbers barely improved with the Warriors and Jazz.

He was not average. He was not the 15th best point guard in the NBA ever.

None of that says anything about his coaching, though.

El Muffin
06-13-2014, 01:51 PM
Compare him to.other 90s pgs during his time though.

Not many stick out tbh.

Im not arguing that he was good..in the grand scheme of things he was ok.

All im saying. I could pick like 10 that were worse

Dfish isnt a traditional pg..that offense didnt require much facilitation frm him

Certain I dont come from the bill simmons school of thought..too many intangibles affecting his per

oats
06-13-2014, 01:57 PM
I agree with certain, though I'd be interested to see the disparity (if there is any) between his season and playoff stats.

PancakeBrah
06-13-2014, 01:57 PM
Wow @ intangibles in PER

Lmao

Just.

Wow.

El Muffin
06-13-2014, 01:59 PM
Why are you guys acting like PER surefire way to rate efficiency?

-bruce bowen had single digit per his whole career

BUT HES BELOW AVG

Cake there are many analysts who can give a fuckless about PER

PancakeBrah
06-13-2014, 02:04 PM
I'm at work so I can't go in full detail on how asinine your arguments are but naming slush parker/Eric snow to make your point that fisher was average is horribly flawed. Those are below replacement level players. Just because fisher is better than them doesn't mean he's average, at all.

It'd be like me saying Mark Sanchez is average because he's not Ryan Leaf.

PER is 100% tangible. Its all number driven
Its not perfect by any means but its referenced, used, and long standing for a reason. It has its flaws; it is only for valuating offense (defensive metrics, like in baseball, have lagged far behind offensive metrics but strides are being made) and it favors certain types of players. But Fisher is a minus defensive player so his PER is reflective of his ability. What's funny is you're using intangibles (made a big shot, type of system he was in, etc) and saying PER is too intangible. Do you know what PER is? Do you know what intangible means?

Also, you said he was better than 10 pgs of his era (a claim that may or may not be correct). Which would make him...below average.

Just get it together. Critical thinking isn't your strong suit.

El Muffin
06-13-2014, 02:11 PM
its not a surefire way of rating efficiency cake

Chill out. Extinguish the fire frpm under ypur ass

Bruce bowens.per is single digits yet hes not below avg rigjt?

HOLLINGERS PER IS NOT UNIVERSALLY ACCEPTED GUY

have u seen first take

PancakeBrah
06-13-2014, 02:14 PM
Reread my post and try again. Thanks.

RD McFly
06-13-2014, 02:15 PM
Leonard and Diaw taking all pressure off Manu, Duncan and Parker...the offense is too efficient and the defense is playing ball. Where is Beasley? Heat's offense is painful to watch.

El Muffin
06-13-2014, 02:23 PM
Reread my post and try again. Thanks.


All im saying is you shouldn't use PER to justify your argument because its flawed.

Bruce bowen is a defensive player (per making strides) I saw all that...

WHY ARE YOU ESPOUSING PER AS SUM DORT OF TEMPLATE FOR WHAT MAKES A GREAT PLAYER

stop contradict ing yourself

There has been a long standing debate about per..n the fact your oblivipus to it furthermore reinfirces my.point

Armchair basketbsll ass nigga

El Muffin
06-13-2014, 02:31 PM
So we can agree u need to stfu with PER


I used the word intangible wrong. Wowee

Everything else is subjective is it not?

Ok

Finito

I think he was avg. You think he was below

Just dont bring up per again

Would u.like me to.name 15 pgs during 90s that were worse

El Muffin
06-13-2014, 03:10 PM
Ok.

I looked.up derek fisher.most prolific season n compared him with starting pgs during that same yr

Only.found around 11 that I would say hes better than
El Pancake

You are right. Hes below avg

My apologies

Inno
06-13-2014, 03:10 PM
heat win 3 in a row

bron averages 30 a game.

PancakeBrah
06-13-2014, 03:24 PM
Ok.

I looked.up derek fisher.most prolific season n compared him with starting pgs during that same yr

Only.found around 11 that I would say hes better than
El Pancake

You are right. Hes below avg

My apologies

Respect

El Muffin
06-13-2014, 03:34 PM
heat win 3 in a row

bron averages 30 a game.

If this happens..ill be back for your coronation

RD McFly
06-13-2014, 03:36 PM
heat win 3 in a row

bron averages 30 a game.

11 more points from him last night and they still get railed...this is not happening. Leonard about to go off AGAIN!

big baby
06-13-2014, 04:23 PM
I just dislike Fisher. Rode coattails for championships. Flops. Announcers say he 'plays the game the right way' and 'does all the small things' when in reality he's a horrible player. Even at his peak he was at best below average. But he gets by because he was on great teams. Dude pisses me off.

At least Kidd is a hofer.

But maybe hell be a good coach. He knows the triangle.

The triangle of being a BITCH

The mediocre players make the best coaches. And the better players make horrible coaches.

RD McFly
06-13-2014, 04:37 PM
I think Fisher will be a good coach..

PancakeBrah
06-13-2014, 04:48 PM
The mediocre players make the best coaches. And the better players make horrible coaches.

That's a popular adage. What with the whole 'talented players get frustrated when their players can't do what they do' and etc.

Seems a bit too simple. Reductive. Too small of a sample size to say definitively. Definitely not enough to apply it concretely to fisher.

He might be good he.might be bad. Who knows.

That roster is a fucking mess, though.

RD McFly
06-13-2014, 04:55 PM
those who can, do...those who can't, teach...

Certain
06-13-2014, 05:00 PM
The mediocre players make the best coaches. And the better players make horrible coaches.

Often true, but there are enough counterpoints. Billy Cunningham, Larry Bird and K.C. Jones are Hall of Fame players. They also join Phil Jackson and Gregg Popovich as the top five coaches by winning percentage in NBA history. Tommy Heinsohn, Jerry Sloan, Larry Costello and Bill Sharman all were very good players and great coaches.

El Muffin
06-13-2014, 05:12 PM
Doc rivers was aight on the hawks if im not mistaken

Tyrone corbin...

Never mind

Rofl

Inno
06-13-2014, 05:25 PM
im tellin yall bron gon go honey baked ham on these niggas.

bosh gonna rain threes and wade finna complain to thr refs like usual.

heat in 7. epic.

Alvin Karpis
06-13-2014, 07:29 PM
Spurs flawless ball movement and Chalmers reminding us his only relevancy was the game winning 3 in Kansas


The games ran through the point, no point, game over

El Muffin
06-13-2014, 07:41 PM
Norris cole playing.like ass too.

I dontgetit

Paradigm
06-13-2014, 10:26 PM
#1 thing ive learned from this

Heat fans are the worst in the NBA

El Muffin
06-13-2014, 10:45 PM
Thats old news

Heat fans cheer for threes made after the whistle n shit

uneducated fanbase

big baby
06-13-2014, 10:47 PM
Thats old news

Heat fans cheer for threes made after the whistle n shit

uneducated fanbase

wanna collab

uh-oh
06-13-2014, 11:10 PM
i would love to see the heat make an epic comeback im not gonna lie

and when i say the heat i obviously just mean lebron

El Muffin
06-13-2014, 11:28 PM
Lol

Kawhi be taking dwade lunch money

Shits not happening

King Ra.
06-14-2014, 12:30 AM
It's over. Stop this.

El Muffin
06-14-2014, 12:34 AM
FUCK THIS THREAD

ROAST ME GUYS

Inno
06-15-2014, 07:59 PM
the three game winnings streak starts now.

El Muffin
06-15-2014, 08:25 PM
Its early

We will see

Edit: this will be good

OMFG IS LEBRON REGGIE MILLER

Strikta
06-15-2014, 08:42 PM
Miami will win this one... but they'll lose game 6.

Inno
06-15-2014, 08:42 PM
bron close to 70 the way he ballin.

oats
06-15-2014, 08:44 PM
Anyone know where I can stream this? Or have a watchespn login I could snag real quick? I'd be forever grateful

El Muffin
06-15-2014, 08:49 PM
is watchespn login different from just espn.com account?

oats
06-15-2014, 09:06 PM
I think so, not sure though. I've always bummed off a buddy but he just cancelled his cable. Goddamnit

El Muffin
06-15-2014, 09:10 PM
Ginobli just poked on EVERYONE

WOW

oats
06-15-2014, 09:18 PM
Nvm. Watchespn doesn't work outside US. MOtherfucker

uh-oh
06-15-2014, 09:23 PM
http://www.feed2all.eu/watch/265511/6/watch-san-antonio-spurs-vs-miami-heat.html

make sure your adblocker is on tho YO

El Muffin
06-15-2014, 09:25 PM
oats

Post above me

U missing some crazy shit

Goddamn that ginobli dunk got me so hype

oats
06-15-2014, 09:27 PM
http://www.feed2all.eu/watch/265511/6/watch-san-antonio-spurs-vs-miami-heat.html

make sure your adblocker is on tho YO

Do you know if that works on a mobile device? I keep trying but it's not working

uh-oh
06-15-2014, 09:32 PM
Do you know if that works on a mobile device? I keep trying but it's not working

word i have no idea

im watching it on my pc.

oats
06-15-2014, 09:34 PM
Yeah no flash player on my iPhone. Fuck you Steve jobs! Why did you have to hate flash so much you piece of shit

StarFaggot
06-15-2014, 09:51 PM
Heat have to dig deep.

El Muffin
06-15-2014, 09:59 PM
Dig that grave deeper you mean?

This shit over

Inno
06-15-2014, 09:59 PM
I beleive I can, fly

oats
06-15-2014, 10:02 PM
Wow. Heat's lack of a bench is painfully obvious. Lebron will never enter the hallowed ranks of the threepeaters. Though he'll have more MVP trophies than anyone to keep him company.

El Muffin
06-15-2014, 10:04 PM
Patty Mills jumper is straight wet

Fucking WET

El Muffin
06-15-2014, 10:07 PM
PATTY FUCKING MILLS

PATTY





MILLS

Fig
06-15-2014, 10:08 PM
Fuck Patty

oats
06-15-2014, 10:14 PM
Blowout, even when Parker is having a shit game. Unreal. It would behoove the heat to get Melo in the offseason. They need firepower off the bench more than anything.

El Muffin
06-15-2014, 10:26 PM
If they acquire melo..he will start at the 4 prolly

oats
06-15-2014, 10:33 PM
Right. But that doesn't alleviate their problem as a team. I love Melo, but the heat need 2-3 solid bench contributors to score 8-12 consistently, not another individual. Plus he's a known locker room cancer. He should go to the bobcats and mike can sort him out.

oats
06-15-2014, 10:53 PM
I don't think there was a single person, even the staunchest spurs supporter, who predicted the series would look like this. What a rape.

El Muffin
06-15-2014, 11:00 PM
I had spurs in 7

But yo..being a former player..I havent been impressed by a team like this in a long time(maybe ever)

They embody what it is to be a team

I love it.

Joe Metts
06-15-2014, 11:17 PM
I picked the spurs in 6 two consecutive years.

I picked OKC over the heat as well in 11

And I picked Dallas over them in 10.

Because fuck the heat nah mean.

El Muffin
06-15-2014, 11:19 PM
Imfucking fuckrd up

Stumbling n shit

I almost shed a tear watchin the finals

Remind me nevrr to takebthese things again

oats
06-15-2014, 11:42 PM
I had spurs in 7

But yo..being a former player..I havent been impressed by a team like this in a long time(maybe ever)

They embody what it is to be a team

I love it.

Agreed. Not since the pistons team that beat the lakers in 5, lot of parallels between that series and this one. Happy for Leonard, well deserved.

big baby
06-15-2014, 11:44 PM
Innovator FUCK YOU MOTHERFUCKER, "OH YEAH GONNA BE GREAT CLOSE SERIES" MY DICK YOU MOTHERFUCKER "OH LEBRON GONNA SAVE THE DAY" NOPE HAHAHAHAHAHA AINT SAVE SHIT BITCH " OH YEAH BUT LIKE IT WAS ONE GAME LIKE IT WONT HAPPEN AGAIN" GUESS WHAT BITCH IT HAPPENED AGAIN MIOTHERFUCKER DIE SLOW MOTHERFUCKER DIE SLOW MOTHERFUCKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"OH OH, BUT BUT" NO BUTS BITCH JSUT RAPE, TAKE IT UP THE ASS SLOW, DIE SLOW BUTTRAPE BUBBLE BUTT AEROLINA IN THE ASS WHORE FUCK YOU

big baby
06-15-2014, 11:49 PM
YOU BITCH ASS LIL BB GO POST A PICTHA OF U SMOKING WEED AND SELL FROM UR HOUSE U MUDDAFUCKA FUCK THE HEAT AND FUCK YOU 2

Inno
06-16-2014, 07:29 AM
2 time champs.

much respect to the spurs.

Strikta
06-16-2014, 08:39 AM
2 time?

Bandwagon ass nigga.

Heat have won 3 in the past decade, goofy.

StarFaggot
06-16-2014, 11:14 AM
Why you gotta be so rude?
Don't know you know he's human too?
I'm gonna marry her anyway!

Inno
06-16-2014, 11:25 AM
2 time?

Bandwagon ass nigga.

Heat have won 3 in the past decade, goofy.

lol I forgot the internet hinges on details.

I meant 2 time DEFENDING champs.

is that better stritk? hmmm?

lol bandwagon im still arent I?