how good was Allen Iverson

[Orc]

in the grand scheme of things

[Allen Knight]

all time or while playin???
while playing #1
all time top 5
but this was my favorite player so idk how other see it

[...the Nagger]

top 10 player ever

"changed the game" as Innovator would put it

the 6ers problems imo was drafting new talent to put around him

they looked to FA as the answer. thats really never the answer imo

[God Of War]

iverson was a monster the cross over king i seen him break more ankles then most any nba player

not to mention i seen dude play all broken and injured and sitll play great

[...the Nagger]

^yea I remember game 1 of the finals where his whole right side of his body had serious injuries everywhere and they still beat the lakers

I thought sweep for sure but they managed to lose in 5. still pathetic, but still. lol

[Orc]

just watched a documentary about him called The Answer, got me hyped up haha

i remember a few yrs ago ppl always talked about him & i remember his sneaks then it just kinda stopped

[Allen Knight]

yea but they were versing the lakers wit shaq an kobe smh that team was beast
an ai did everything he could wish they put more talent around him

[Allen Knight]

just watched a documentary about him called The Answer, got me hyped up haha

i remember a few yrs ago ppl always talked about him & i remember his sneaks then it just kinda stopped

u never seen him play??? or him cross jordan up
ohh mann

[...the Nagger]

yea but they were versing the lakers wit shaq an kobe smh that team was beast
an ai did everything he could wish they put more talent around him

yea that's what I'm saying

I'm from hampton, and as a kid/teenager bubba chuck was that dude!

every one out here was his cousin after he got drafted, and everyone loved dude

and everyone thought they were gettin swept lol

so when he won game 1 it was crazy out here! dudes was celebrating for real http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/3792/2ake3ir.gif

then it was 4 in a row

[Orc]

just seen him on this documentary, never seen him play live

yea seen the Jordan crossover, magic

never seen a full NBA game if im honest lol only basketball ive seen is the Olympics

[God Of War]

yea but they were versing the lakers wit shaq an kobe smh that team was beast
an ai did everything he could wish they put more talent around him

he was a loyal ass dude tho could of played any where at anytime probably


he fucked up now tho

just got accused of abducting his kids n shit

[...the Nagger]

just seen him on this documentary, never seen him play live

yea seen the Jordan crossover, magic

never seen a full NBA game if im honest lol only basketball ive seen is the Olympics

its an american sport so thats not suprising or nothing

but yea, I watched basically every game he played in as a 6er lol. they showed every single game out here on the east coast every other night

[...the Nagger]

he was a loyal ass dude tho could of played any where at anytime probably


he fucked up now tho

just got accused of abducting his kids n shit

na they already went to court his girl was lying nothing's gonna happen with that it got thrown out already

[God Of War]

na they already went to court his girl was lying nothing's gonna happen with that it got thrown out already

ahhh never kept up with it just seen that it happened. felt bad for him. plus i saw dude on that one show where he was talking about russian roulette and shit

[Allen Knight]

tru Orc u should peep some on youtube he was too fast & crossover was serious
played every game like it was game 7 of the finals true legend

[God Of War]

tru Orc u should peep some on youtube he was too fast & crossover was serious
played every game like it was game 7 of the finals true legend

lmao that shits the truth man like when i said dude would play with a broken leg, an injured elbow a cracked skull and he would still be out there scoring

[Advocate]

Honestly, had he of been just a little bit taller...like maybe a 6'5 or 6'6 guard he would of been the best to ever play this game. He already had excellent scoring ability, but you give him a little more size and add some athletitism to his game Philadelphia would have won back to back titles instead of LA.

[Allen Knight]

lmao that shits the truth man like when i said dude would play with a broken leg, an injured elbow a cracked skull and he would still be out there scoring

foreal he was a warrior, miss those days of basketball

[...the Nagger]

u would have saw him win in the 2000 olympics but he was hurt

and when he went the USA was sleepin on other countries.

to be fair to that USA team, only three teams before them won gold in a row. that's hardly dominating

we lost in the 80s cuz we used college players but still, college talent should be on the level of other countries regardless if we are supposed to be the catalyst of the entire sport

and I don't think we exactly dominate the FIBA tourney now a days neither

[Orc]

i think Spain always win the basketball in the Olympics nt sure tho Ed, if so idk why

[...the Nagger]

i think Spain always win the basketball in the Olympics nt sure tho Ed, if so idk why

they have NBA talent, but USA win everything for the most part except the 88 team and the team ivo was on 04 I think

[...the Nagger]

but we almost lost in 2000 when we had the greatest Olympic team, EVER, ASSEMBLED

[Allen Knight]

remember that vince carter dunk over that 7 foot dude, damn

[Orc]

word, the only thing Ireland gets medals for in the Olympics is Boxing lol

[...the Nagger]

remember that vince carter dunk over that 7 foot dude, damn

ight yea dream team was better than 2000

but still lol. 2000 was stacked

I'm only saying this cuz I was bout to ask you which was better then I looked at the dream team again

[God Of War]

word, the only thing Ireland gets medals for in the Olympics is Boxing lol

thats cuz there tough as fuck and you can beat em half to death and they wont fall down and will keep coming lmao

[God Of War]

http://edgemagazinesite.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/dream-team.jpg

[Allen Knight]

Dream team was ill but some of them where at the end of there career
2000 everyone was in or hitttin there primes idk hard call

[Inno]

top 10 player ever

"changed the game" as Innovator would put it

the 6ers problems imo was drafting new talent to put around him

they looked to FA as the answer. thats really never the answer imo

If Iverson played today he would have 5 rings no fuckimg doubt.

But becuasr he playec in an era where bigs dominated and dictated
The floor.

His teams never had the muscle to overcome.

[Strikta]

Prolific scorer, electrifying alot of times.

Detrimental to the team tho, immature, ball hog, overly arrogant.

Didn't have the right mindset to be a champion, had he had that.. he would be one of the greatest of all time next to Jordan.

[Allen Knight]

He needed to score 30 who was he gonna pass to, eric snow??
But ppl over look that he did averrage 7 assits a game most seasons he was a 2guard most dont do that

[Mike Wrecka]

Iversons career was a huge disappointment imo

he could have been great. but he was just an overrated scorer that shot constantly. he was a GREAT college player though. he actually had a vertical then.

and top ten? I could name five players that are better then he was in his prime that are playing right now

Lebron, Kobe, Durant, Carmelo and Wade

obviously Kobe and Wade are past their prime, but their prime was better than AI's. the other three are better right now than Iverson ever was

[Inno]

Nah nigga that crossover on Jordan will forever be one of my all time fav moments in bball

[Strikta]

That was on an aged Jordan tho.

I can't even respect that shit.

[Mike Wrecka]

Jordan crossing up Russel >

[Inno]

@strickta

That was AIs rookie year whem yhat happened.

Jordan was in his prime.

5 years after his first championship. ..and 2 years before his last.

Seems like jordan was closer to his prime

[Sharp]

Dude was a monster. When we had him he was our big playmaker and knew it, so he was kinda selfish with the ball
Still amazing.

[NYCSPITZ]

how did magic stay healthy w AIDS tho?????????????????????

[...the Nagger]

Iversons career was a huge disappointment imo

he could have been great. but he was just an overrated scorer that shot constantly. he was a GREAT college player though. he actually had a vertical then.

and top ten? I could name five players that are better then he was in his prime that are playing right now

Lebron, Kobe, Durant, Carmelo and Wade

obviously Kobe and Wade are past their prime, but their prime was better than AI's. the other three are better right now than Iverson ever was

you can't put wade durant and melo over iverson right now dude

well, maybe YOU do, no one else does. believe that

[...the Nagger]

That was on an aged Jordan tho.

I can't even respect that shit.

jordan was 32. he didn't get crossed like that when he was 38, lol

[Strikta]

He was old enough imo.

[PancakeBrah]

One of, if not the, most overrated basketball players of all time.

Not in the Top 50. not close.

[Fig]

I unno, but he was beast on nba street jamz vol. 2

[Mike Wrecka]

you can't put wade durant and melo over iverson right now dude

well, maybe YOU do, no one else does. believe that

Wade won a title by himself, something Iverson never did.
so that conversation is over. not to mention he has three now

but really Eddie, you think he is in the top ten ? that's absurd

id have trouble finding room for him in the top thirty

I will forever remember him for two things

the 2004 Olympic embarrassment , and this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d29VsG35DQM

[Allen Knight]

wade won a title with shaq who was still puttin up 20 an 10
he didnt win shit by himself
an the iverson rant i never gave a fuck cuz i went to see games
idc about practice let the coach sort that out

[Mike Wrecka]

and the 2004 Olympic debacle ? guy was not a winner

he got bounced out of the playoffs in the first round four times

he got bounced out of the playoffs in the second round three times

and made one NBA final

what an amazing career !

[Philly]

ONLY THE STRONG SURVIVE

AI was the fuckin man... only corny white suburban kids would ever disagree.
My favorite player of all time, tied with Jordan. At least top 20 all time skill wise.

Look at what he use to wear to the interviews and games too hahaha, G shit.
Couldn't handle his shit off the court, but he had a smart agent too...
still got that $30 million Reebok fund waiting to be touched in 2030.

[Allen Knight]

and the 2004 Olympic debacle ? guy was not a winner

he got bounced out of the playoffs in the first round four times

he got bounced out of the playoffs in the second round three times

and made one NBA final

what an amazing career !

lol blame him for the whole 2004 olympics okk
and he made it to the finals wit a shit team
he always had a shit team an still pulled them to the playoffs
look at all the teams that made finals
he had no one lol yea it was amazing career

WERD up to philly

[Strikta]

That nigga need to call J.G. Wentworth.

[Allen Knight]

an wade was on that 04 team an james and melo
so there careers are all bad now too??right

[Inno]

wade won a title with shaq who was still puttin up 20 an 10
he didnt win shit by himself
an the iverson rant i never gave a fuck cuz i went to see games
idc about practice let the coach sort that out

So kobe really has 2 tittles?

[...the Nagger]

Wade won a title by himself, something Iverson never did.
so that conversation is over. not to mention he has three now

but really Eddie, you think he is in the top ten ? that's absurd

id have trouble finding room for him in the top thirty

I will forever remember him for two things

the 2004 Olympic embarrassment , and this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d29VsG35DQM

Wade won it by himself?

man stfu

[Allen Knight]

Wade won a title by himself, something Iverson never did.


no kobe didnt do it by himself either he had shaq but ^^^ thats wat he said
and im pointing out he didnt do it himself he had star power Innovator

[...the Nagger]

if AI had Shaquille O'Neal, he would have 5-peated

[Philly]

Yea Shaq... plus Antoine Walker, Jason Williams, and an old Gary Payton.


Wade didn't do it on his own. Wade's a beast though too...
but give him Matt Geiger and Eric Snow and see what happens

[Philly]

Walker was an all star 2 and 3 years prior to that Heat championship season

[Geno]

Ai was da god. Met that nigga walking into roxborough memorial hospital.

Aparently he was in a bar fight lmaooo

[Inno]

no kobe didnt do it by himself either he had shaq but ^^^ thats wat he said
and im pointing out he didnt do it himself he had star power Innovator

Respect

[...the Nagger]

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No. Player Pos Ht Wt Birth Date Exp College
12 Bruce Bowen SF 6-7 185 June 14, 1971 3 California State University, Fullerton
11 Ira Bowman SG 6-5 195 June 11, 1973 R University of Pennsylvania
52 Matt Geiger C 7-0 243 September 10, 1969 7 Georgia Institute of Technology
40 Tyrone Hill PF 6-9 240 March 19, 1968 9 Xavier University
21 Larry Hughes SG 6-5 184 January 23, 1979 1 Saint Louis University
3 Allen Iverson SG 6-0 165 June 7, 1975 3 Georgetown University
33 Jumaine Jones SF 6-8 218 February 10, 1979 R University of Georgia
7 Toni Kukoc SF 6-10 192 September 18, 1968 6
41 Antonio Lang SF 6-8 205 May 15, 1972 5 Duke University
9 George Lynch SF 6-8 218 September 3, 1970 6 University of North Carolina
50 Todd MacCulloch C 7-0 280 January 27, 1976 R University of Washington
8 Aaron McKie SG 6-5 209 October 2, 1972 5 Temple University
14 Nazr Mohammed C 6-10 221 September 5, 1977 1 University of Kentucky
5 Kevin Ollie PG 6-4 195 December 27, 1972 2 University of Connecticut
30 Billy Owens PF 6-8 220 May 1, 1969 8 Syracuse University
42 Theo Ratliff PF 6-10 225 April 17, 1973 4 University of Wyoming
53 Stanley Roberts C 7-0 285 February 7, 1970 7 Louisiana State University
20 Eric Snow PG 6-3 190 April 24, 1973 4 Michigan State University

[...the Nagger]

AI got larry hughes a multimillion dollar contract with the Wizards

dude was a bum and AI made him look amazing

[PancakeBrah]

AI is the most overrated professional sports player of my lifetime. He is 90% persona, and the people who identified with him or wanted to be him fail to see how absolutely horrendous he was in respect to truly great players.

[Strikta]

Umm.

Larry Hughes was solid as fuck for atleast 2 years.. one of the best defenders in the league at that time.

[Allen Knight]

Yea Shaq... plus Antoine Walker, Jason Williams, and an old Gary Payton.


Wade didn't do it on his own. Wade's a beast though too...
but give him Matt Geiger and Eric Snow and see what happens

foreal, not taking shit away from wade but he had alot of ppl

[...the Nagger]

AI is the most overrated professional sports player of my lifetime. He is 90% persona, and the people who identified with him or wanted to be him fail to see how absolutely horrendous he was in respect to truly great players.

he won scoring titles and dominated the league man. wtf?

if you didn't watch basketball, just say that

its like saying Marino was overrated

[...the Nagger]

Umm.

Larry Hughes was solid as fuck for atleast 2 years.. one of the best defenders in the league at that time.

lol

he led the league in steals once

and I was wrong. hughes went to GS before the Wiz

dk how I forgot that

he led the league in steals once, but he wasn't a dope on ball defender or anything I don't think? he just lived in the passing lanes

[Philly]

Like where your heads at Eddie.
Larry Hughes was by no means a slouch though.

Averaged 20+ for multiple teams in other seasons.
Only played his full rookie season with the sixers

- you got to it before me

[PancakeBrah]

he won scoring titles and dominated the league man. wtf?

if you didn't watch basketball, just say that

its like saying Marino was overrated

He is one of the worst high-volume shooters in the history of the league.

if you don't understand stats, just say that

brb going 10/25, scoring 30 points.

His career field goal percentage, combined with the amount of shots he took, makes him just above-average as a player. Horrible 3-point shot, too.

[Philly]

You don't actually understand basketball cake, it's okay.

It's tough to make a high % of shots when your team needs you to score 30+ to win...
and the same time the other team knows no one else will hit anything consistently, so they all help.

The Heat buying Lebron and Bosh made all three members of the "big three" shooting percentage go up.
If Lebron was sent to Charlotte next year you'd see a big drop in FG%.

Plus AI willed his team to victory with 30+ points as the smallest person on the court usually

[God Of War]

i can even read this thread but mike wrecka shouldnt be allowed in it

[God Of War]

He is one of the worst high-volume shooters in the history of the league.

if you don't understand stats, just say that

brb going 10/25, scoring 30 points.

His career field goal percentage, combined with the amount of shots he took, makes him just above-average as a player. Horrible 3-point shot, too.


when you got fucking high schoolers on ur team you got to shoot more then the other players. his supporting cast was absolutely ass and iverson had to try to take the games in his hands to even come close to winning

[Inno]

Cake by your logic carmelo anthony is horrible

Agree?

[...the Nagger]

You don't actually understand basketball cake, it's okay.

It's tough to make a high % of shots when your team needs you to score 30+ to win...
and the same time the other team knows no one else will hit anything consistently, so they all help.

The Heat buying Lebron and Bosh made all three members of the "big three" shooting percentage go up.
If Lebron was sent to Charlotte next year you'd see a big drop in FG%.

Plus AI willed his team to victory with 30+ points as the smallest person on the court usually

he ain't gonna have no comeback for this

http://i.imgur.com/hP9VJhB.gif

[PancakeBrah]

Cake by your logic carmelo anthony is horrible

Agree?

I do agree.

[PancakeBrah]

You don't actually understand basketball cake, it's okay.

It's tough to make a high % of shots when your team needs you to score 30+ to win...
and the same time the other team knows no one else will hit anything consistently, so they all help.

The Heat buying Lebron and Bosh made all three members of the "big three" shooting percentage go up.
If Lebron was sent to Charlotte next year you'd see a big drop in FG%.

Plus AI willed his team to victory with 30+ points as the smallest person on the court usually

Typical bro-fan logic.

Been in too many sports debates with people who think like this. I could bring out advanced stats and arguments/articles from basketball writers infinitely more versed in the nuances of the game than you or me that basically turn your bro-fan arguments to shit, which they are. But it won't matter, because people who think AI is some great of the game are past being able to reason with in any sensible manner. They're little kids fascinated by pretty colors. There's no room for logic.

[Philly]

So your argument against that is that my argument is based on bro-fan logic...
hmmm. I guess I'll concede

[God Of War]

Typical bro-fan logic.

Been in too many sports debates with people who think like this. I could bring out advanced stats and arguments/articles from basketball writers infinitely more versed in the nuances of the game than you or me that basically turn your bro-fan arguments to shit, which they are. But it won't matter, because people who think AI is some great of the game are past being able to reason with in any sensible manner. They're little kids fascinated by pretty colors. There's no room for logic.

lmao sports writers dont know the game better then hard core fans man because they just write well its why they got there job. stats dont mean as much as you think at the end of the day. ai had a high shot percentage because he had to take alot of shots for his team to even come close to winning a game. did you watch the games? because i watched for every game i could back then nba league pass etc and u could see it clear as day. if u pass a ball to 5 people and they dont score and 10 other people is shooting and they dont score then you take as many shots as you can

[PancakeBrah]

Basically.

Allen Iverson's overrated as shit. Sucks donkey dick. Can't win a championship with him as your best player of player like him. Appeals to a certain type of person, who will overrate the fuck out of him. Would not trade Jimmy Butler for in his prime Allen Iverson crew.

[PancakeBrah]

lmao sports writers dont know the game better then hard core fans


Some do. Go read Zach Lowe or Brett Koremonos. They know basketball better than you, and you can learn some stuff. Like me!

[Inno]

...the Munster

Where do rank wade?

[Philly]

Ah shit, I changed my title and it's not red anymore.
Meth can you do that shit up again homie

[God Of War]

Some do. Go read Zach Lowe or Brett Koremonos. They know basketball better than you, and you can learn some stuff. Like me!

I dont think they do i never will. i have been a fan/player since i was like 5 years old dude. every season. every year. ever stat. got 100's of vhs tapes of old games i stole from the local library when i was a kid of pistol pete, jordan, bird, thomas, laimbeer, russell etc

they may know as much as a hard core fan but just because there sports writers does not mean they know more

[Untold]

Too good for his own "good".

The man had talent but couldn't capitalize on it... Scratch that! Wouldn't capitalize on it. He could'a pulled a Lebron and left to play for a team that would've surrounded him with greatness, but homeboi was too cocky. Ball hog. But he was a beast!

Also, if he could've marketed himself better, he'd be making mad money right now. He'd be like a Charles Barkley or Barry Sanders in the public and someone like ESPN wouldn't think twice about putting him on sports center to cover games or some shit.

Funny this topic came up because I had this debate with myself a few months back. Dude accomplished a lot as an athlete but could've accomplished so much more!

[Untold]

I dont think they do i never will. i have been a fan/player since i was like 5 years old dude. every season. every year. ever stat. got 100's of vhs tapes of old games i stole from the local library when i was a kid of pistol pete, jordan, bird, thomas, laimbeer, russell etc

they may know as much as a hard core fan but just because there sports writers does not mean they know more

Aha! Pete Maravich! Somebody who recognizes a legend here. I go to LSU as a student and he has the basketball stadium named after him. Whoever said white men can't jump never seen "pistol" Pete! Respect earned my dude

[God Of War]

Aha! Pete Maravich! Somebody who recognizes a legend here. I go to LSU as a student and he has the basketball stadium named after him. Whoever said white men can't jump never seen "pistol" Pete! Respect earned my dude

lol man that is like my all time favorite player. so they still recognize his G n shit there?

[Mike Wrecka]

an wade was on that 04 team an james and melo
so there careers are all bad now too??right

Larry Brown refused to play them. they sat and watched most of the games.

ok heres a real question since we cant agree on shit

is Allen Iverson the best player to never win a title?

i got Ewing and Barkley ahead of him on that list

[God Of War]

ewing possibly

[Mike Wrecka]

ok malone and stockton are great choices but why are you rolling on the floor laughing

[God Of War]

huh?

[God Of War]

my top five never to get a title is

pistol pete, stockton,malone,barkley, and reggie miller

with mullens and webber being close

[Meth]

Ah shit, I changed my title and it's not red anymore.
Meth can you do that shit up again homie

sure, just give me the code for the color u want again

[Inno]

Barkley, stockton and malone

Greatest to never win it.

Barkley is in my top 10 God Of War

[oats]

Excellent scorer, phenomenal ball handler, tough as nails, and that's about it. Anyone saying top 20 or better is out of their mind though. As a point guard, he's top ten, but no way overall.

[Joe Metts]

Love AI.

Not a top 25 player sorry g's.

[Allen Knight]

Love AI.

Not a top 25 player sorry g's.

shut the fuck up...i hope u die of heat stroke walking to the mail box u fat ginger faggot..

[Joe Metts]

Im blonde but word its hot as fuckI'llget the mail tomorrow.

[Philly]

Safe to say he was the best player ever that was 6 feet tall or less?
Rookie of the year in that potential best ever draft class we were talking about

He led the league in steals per game 3 years in a row...
11 time all star, 2 time all star MVP, 4 time scoring champion.
6th all time in points per game. 2nd all time in playoff points per game after Jordan.

Go fuck yourselves

[Allen Knight]

Safe to say he was the best player ever that was 6 feet tall or less?
Rookie of the year in that potential best ever draft class we were talking about

He led the league in steals per game 3 years in a row...
11 time all star, 2 time all star MVP, 4 time scoring champion.
6th all time in points per game. 2nd all time in playoff points per game after Jordan.

Go fuck yourselves

werd up also won the mvp in 01

[God Of War]

wow @ saying is not top 25

[Untold]

lol man that is like my all time favorite player. so they still recognize his G n shit there?

Do they recognize it? Homies got the P. Mac named after him. Short for Pete Maravich. Dude was undeniably good, too bad he died so young. Very underrated player in my opinion

[Untold]

Larry Brown refused to play them. they sat and watched most of the games.

ok heres a real question since we cant agree on shit

is Allen Iverson the best player to never win a title?

i got Ewing and Barkley ahead of him on that list

Sir Charles easy.. Favorite player and one of the most aggressive on the court. Dudes got gold Olympic medals. Shouldn've won a title somewhere. Ewing's a second nod for me. Both played with and against some of the best players of all time!

[oats]

yeah def not top 25. It's debatable whether or not he's even the best PG to come out of that draft.

Thing is, he's too one-dimensional to be great. He's the best pure scorer of his generation, but that's one facet of basketball. Props to his MVP and scoring titles, but that's about the end of his ledger when it comes to anything significant (ROTY isn't that big of a deal tbh). When he was playing, the eastern conference was the JV compared to the West, and he only managed one finals appearance. Compare that to Jason Kidd, who took an equally untalented team to the finals more than once, all the while not being a great scorer. AI was an individual talent, didn't make anyone around him better. That's the mark of a great player.

Top 10 guard, possibly top 30 all time, but his career isn't impressive enough to warrant that upper-echelon of all time.

[God Of War]

Do they recognize it? Homies got the P. Mac named after him. Short for Pete Maravich. Dude was undeniably good, too bad he died so young. Very underrated player in my opinion

he the rgeatest ncaa player to ever play and still holds records there

also was a beast in the nba

fuckin pistol was that dude lol

[God Of War]

yeah def not top 25. It's debatable whether or not he's even the best PG to come out of that draft.

Thing is, he's too one-dimensional to be great. He's the best pure scorer of his generation, but that's one facet of basketball. Props to his MVP and scoring titles, but that's about the end of his ledger when it comes to anything significant (ROTY isn't that big of a deal tbh). When he was playing, the eastern conference was the JV compared to the West, and he only managed one finals appearance. Compare that to Jason Kidd, who took an equally untalented team to the finals more than once, all the while not being a great scorer. AI was an individual talent, didn't make anyone around him better. That's the mark of a great player.

Top 10 guard, possibly top 30 all time, but his career isn't impressive enough to warrant that upper-echelon of all time.

id like to see your top 25

[God Of War]

Untold i thought jason williams was going to be a new pistol pete from the way he handled the ball and shit but i got let down a bit. he was still a dope ass player tho n could almost handle the ball like pete could

[oats]

id like to see your top 25

In no particular order, just off the top of my head:

Mj
Magic
Bird
Kareem
Russell
Robertson
Shaq
Kobe
Duncan
Wilt
Erving
Mikan
Isaiah Thomas
Jerry west
Barkley
Malone
Stockton
Hakeem
Ewing
Drexler
Moses Malone
Pete Maravich
David Robinson
Pippen
Lebron


There are still a number of players that I'd still put ahead of AI.

[Mike Wrecka]

In no particular order, just off the top of my head:

Mj
Magic
Bird
Kareem
Russell
Robertson
Shaq
Kobe
Duncan
Wilt
Erving
Mikan
Isaiah Thomas
Jerry west
Barkley
Malone
Stockton
Hakeem
Ewing
Drexler
Moses Malone
Pete Maravich
David Robinson
Pippen
Lebron


There are still a number of players that I'd still put ahead of AI.

great list. I have no complaints with those players. I might throw Clyde Frazier in there somewhere but im biased as a Knicks fan.

so exactly who would you AI lovers take off that list to add Iverson?

[oats]

Frazier is a beast.

Not to mention guys like Gary Payton, Shawn Kemp, Jason Kidd, KG, Dirk, etc who are all debatably better than AI all time. Iverson is AT BEST top 30, but even that's a stretch.

[Paradigm]

vastly overrated but still Top50 player def top100 all time.

[Geno]

id take of zeke or barkley to add ai

as far as im concerned ai fits just as well as they do

[Joe Metts]

Yea just take barkley off. A top 2 power forward of all time.

[Geno]

fuck it, ya know?

[Geno]

lb for lb i got ai over barkley all day

[Joe Metts]

I got 10 guys in the nba today over AI lol

[Geno]

hahahaha, i guarantee its truth to. i tell you what though, i went to a sixers game when i was in philly still.. ai and eric snow put on a hell of show. but ya.. that dont get you top 50.

[Philly]

Shawn Kemp for top 25 all time consideration...

Are you twiddling my fuckin twat right now?

[Allen Knight]

payton>rain man

[SiK]

David Robinson def not top 25

[oats]

1. Never put Kemp in top 25, just in the same category as AI. Probably a little under though.

2. D Rob not top 25=you don't know shit and/or you didn't start watching bball till 2002

[SiK]

Oats your a poet who dresses like a tree hugging faggit. wtf you know about sports

[oats]

Sik, I'm better than you at everything.

Oh and I played college ball. Run along now.

[Strikta]

My farts smell like meatloaf.

[~RustyGunZ~]

why are you guys going 7 pages about allen knight

[...the Nagger]

...the Munster

Where do rank wade?

top 50?

[...the Nagger]

my top ten is (in no order)

iverson
barkley
bird
kobe
jordan
magic
duncan
wilt
shaq
hakeem


nobody else I can vouch for

[God Of War]

i dont think theres ten players today who is better then iverson


and damn i might have to agree with oats list thats a hell of a list. and i would never take barkley off that list

but its a solid as fuck list indeed

[...the Nagger]

In no particular order, just off the top of my head:

Mj
Magic
Bird
Kareem
Russell
Robertson
Shaq
Kobe
Duncan
Wilt
Erving
Mikan
Isaiah Thomas
Jerry west
Barkley
Malone
Stockton
Hakeem
Ewing
Drexler
Moses Malone
Pete Maravich
David Robinson
Pippen
Lebron


There are still a number of players that I'd still put ahead of AI.

robertson
mikan
isiah thomas wish he had the toughness of ai. that alone puts him waaay above, then he has WAY more ball skills. Only thing Thomas had over AI is court vision. Which is good, but no. (top 20)
Karl Malone (top 20)
stockton (I might can give you that but personally imo no, top 20)
Ewing (top 20)
Moses Malone
Pistol Pete (top 20)
David Robinson
Pippen (top 20-25)


Can't put any of them above Iverson

[...the Nagger]

and then puttin ppl like robertson, pistol pete

ppl you couldnt have watched live. ppl you didn't watch other than highlights on youtube/espn

I mean how can you really KNOW that they are better than someone you watched first hand?

Imagine Blake Griffins highlights yeears from now. dudes gonna look like a beast even tho he's trash

[God Of War]

robertson
mikan
isiah thomas wish he had the toughness of ai. that alone puts him waaay above, then he has WAY more ball skills. Only thing Thomas had over AI is court vision. Which is good, but no. (top 20)
Karl Malone (top 20)
stockton (I might can give you that but personally imo no, top 20)
Ewing (top 20)
Moses Malone
Pistol Pete (top 20)
David Robinson
Pippen (top 20-25)


Can't put any of them above Iverson

u cant put any on the list u mentioned above ai?

cuz ewing,stockton,malone,maravich, robinson, and thomas is all better then ai lol

[...the Nagger]

u cant put any on the list u mentioned above ai?

cuz ewing,stockton,malone,maravich, robinson, and thomas is all better then ai lol

that's opinion I guess

I don't think they are and I can go into detail for any one if you'd like to know why I have my opinion


esp.... David Robinson?

I already said my piece on thomas. dude was ight but he ain't beter than AI

I look at it like a draft. You got a pool of players and its my turn? you got them in the pool + Allen Iverson??

yo REAL TALK gow, you wouldn't pick AI?

[...the Nagger]

and I can understand stockton like I said, I can see pistol pete too. but I can't say pistol pete is better than Allen Iverson based off of highlights of him lobbin halfcourt passes against weak W**** dudes

no way

[God Of War]

and I can understand stockton like I said, I can see pistol pete too. but I can't say pistol pete is better than Allen Iverson based off of highlights of him lobbin halfcourt passes against weak W**** dudes

no way

yeah its opinnion my dude and i actually respect yours on this subject. I can see where you would replace ai with some but I just personally don't. especially pete but he is number 1 imo

he probably the greatest ncaa player to play the game at that level and in the pro's he was magical bro esp the way he handled the ball and shot

[God Of War]

that's opinion I guess

I don't think they are and I can go into detail for any one if you'd like to know why I have my opinion


esp.... David Robinson?

I already said my piece on thomas. dude was ight but he ain't beter than AI

I look at it like a draft. You got a pool of players and its my turn? you got them in the pool + Allen Iverson??

yo REAL TALK gow, you wouldn't pick AI?


but this is david robinson my G

During his 14-year career, he won two NBA titles and was named league MVP, Rookie of the Year and Defensive Player of the Year. He was also a 10-time All-Star and 10-time All-NBA selection. He was also a three-time Olympian.

dude was an issue for sure

and in my top 25? yeah id pick ai lol i just dont know who id leave off for him

[...the Nagger]

but this is david robinson my G

During his 14-year career, he won two NBA titles and was named league MVP, Rookie of the Year and Defensive Player of the Year. He was also a 10-time All-Star and 10-time All-NBA selection. He was also a three-time Olympian.

dude was an issue for sure

and in my top 25? yeah id pick ai lol i just dont know who id leave off for him

he didn't win til duncan got there and duncan got 4 rings total

Ivo won MVP, rookie of the year, 11 allstars, 2 allstar mvps

4X scoring leader
3X steals leader
3X all NBA first team
3X second team
1 third

[SiK]

Sik, I'm better than you at everything.

Oh and I played college ball. Run along now.

Proof and i will 'Run Along'.



Anyways...I think Steve Nash is up there somewhere....even tho he dont have a ring, he was a GREAT point guard

[...the Nagger]

I can see puttin Robinson tho, but I think Duncan really helped his career

he did well before him but did excellent after he got there on both sides of the ball

He had the best PF ever imp standing beside him

[Hush]

ONLY THE STRONG SURVIVE

AI was the fuckin man... only corny white suburban kids would ever disagree.
My favorite player of all time, tied with Jordan. At least top 20 all time skill wise.

Look at what he use to wear to the interviews and games too hahaha, G shit.
Couldn't handle his shit off the court, but he had a smart agent too...
still got that $30 million Reebok fund waiting to be touched in 2030.

Bro ur white and suburban

[God Of War]

I can see puttin Robinson tho, but I think Duncan really helped his career

he did well before him but did excellent after he got there on both sides of the ball

He had the best PF ever imp standing beside him

yeah i agree forgot all bout duncan to be honest.

[Strikta]

Why does Eddie keep censoring the word white?

Wtf? lol

[Philly]

Bro ur white and suburban

I'm black albino, on my aunts side
...and you're a Saudi oil sheik.

[oats]

robertson
mikan
isiah thomas wish he had the toughness of ai. that alone puts him waaay above, then he has WAY more ball skills. Only thing Thomas had over AI is court vision. Which is good, but no. (top 20)
Karl Malone (top 20)
stockton (I might can give you that but personally imo no, top 20)
Ewing (top 20)
Moses Malone
Pistol Pete (top 20)
David Robinson
Pippen (top 20-25)


Can't put any of them above Iverson

Awful. Sorry, but this isn't worth responding to. It's like when some guy at a bar was arguing with me that 50 Cent was an all time better MC than Nas or Hov. Just too stupid to argue with.

[...the Nagger]

Awful. Sorry, but this isn't worth responding to. It's like when some guy at a bar was arguing with me that 50 Cent was an all time better MC than Nas or Hov. Just too stupid to argue with.

glad you took the time to type out nothing for me to read then

I'll take it as a win, trust me.... thank you, and try again next time

[oats]

right, cuz AI's one MVP and one finals appearance in one of the worst conferences in NBA history is better than people who won multiple rings, averaged triple doubles over the course of a season, are considered top 3 in their position all time statistically, etc etc. Just google the accomplishments of all those people you crossed off for AI. There really is no debate whatsoever except "AI has DA COOLEST crossover eva!"

[veritas]

AI IS A PIECE OF TRASH.

PROOF: THE "PRACTICE" SPEECH HE GAVE AT THE PRESS CONFERENCE.

/THREAD