Who IYO is the best emcee of all time

[Malachi]

Well

[Malachi]

Biggie

[Sharp]

For me its butterfly from digable planets. did that free-associative and laid back shit really well and thats what i dig for some reason lol

[Fig]

Me

[oats]

it's tough to say, depends on how you define "best." Is it purely lyricism? Is it influence on the game? Is it crossover appeal? All of the above? How much does their production weigh into it? Nah mean.

But to answer your question, I'd have to go with........Pac, Em or Nas. All for different reasons. Maybe Mos Def, that Blackstar album is top 5 imo. There's a list of acceptable MCs for that answer.

[Meth]

Badweather is the best emcee of all time

[Philly]

Em

[Masaii]

How many times must you faggots flog a dead horse?

[Witty]

'Aint no best'

- Nas

[God Of War]

my favorite is jay-z from the streets is watching vhs tape all the way to the blueprint 2 the shit was all i ever listened to


btw tupac/nas is and was faggots

[Witty]

If I had to choose I'd probably say Royce.

He's the most complete emcee in the game imo he can do everything well.

[God Of War]

If I had to choose I'd probably say Royce.

He's the most complete emcee in the game imo he can do everything well.

i almost said royce bro

[Fart]

pun.

[Malachi]

btw tupac/nas is and was faggots

*sigh*

[Nigma]

Aaron Yates imo

[trap.]

KRS-One

[uh-oh]

hov

[Allen Knight]

idk i say its between em & pun but i cant choose lol

[Strikta]

Big Punisher

[Untold]

Eminem.

[Objective]

Too many different styles where a certain rapper outshines the other in that specific genre to determine one king to rule them all.

[Fart]

I said Pun but Em is a close 2nd
never liked jay z as much as the general hip hop community does, idky

[PancakeBrah]

Andre 3000

[SiK]

Method man

[Dope girl]

Tupac

[Chyeahhh!!!]

Nas


Top five is

Nasjoe budden royce jada and styles

Top five old school

Rakim
Krs one
Big daddy kane
Kool g rap
Slick Rick or LL


Top 5 old rappers

Grandmaster caz
Kool herc
Luv bug starsky
Kool moe dee
Jayz

[Atomic]

nas/big L are top 2 for me. a lot of dope oldschool heads competing for top 10 tho.

[KennyCerealBowl]

MF Doom

[Fart]

Thugnificent the best fictional rapper of all time tho

[TYSON]

2 chainz

[Loast]

i'm with GOW
Jay-Z his wordplay and lyrical content is amazing when u really listen to him
that renegade track he killed Em... Em had a ridiculous flow with some good at lyricism but Jay spit that Real shit.... had to hustle back to the wall ashy knuckles..
if u really pay attention to what he said his in verse.. i like Real shit.. muffuccas who talk to ya

Hov... i gotta post it whether u read it or not
Motherfuckers -
say that I'm foolish I only talk about jewels (bling bling)
Do you fools listen to music or do you just skim through it?
See I'm influenced by the ghetto you ruined
That same dude you gave nothin, I made somethin doin
what I do through and through and
I give you the news - with a twist it's just his ghetto point-of-view
The renegade; you been afraid
I penetrate pop culture, bring 'em a lot closer to the block where they
pop toasters, and they live with they moms
Got dropped roasters, from botched robberies niggaz crotched over
Mommy's knocked up cause she wasn't watched over
Knocked down by some clown when child support knocked
No he's not around - now how that sound to ya, jot it down
I bring it through the ghetto without ridin 'round
hidin down duckin strays from frustrated youths stuck in they ways
Just read a magazine that fucked up my day
How you rate music that thugs with nothin relate to it?
I help them see they way through it - not you
Can't step in my pants, can't walk in my shoes
Bet everything you worth; you lose your tie and your shirt

[Jay-Z]
I had to hustle, my back to the wall, ashy knuckles
Pockets filled with a lot of lint, not a cent
Gotta vent, lot of innocent of lives lost on the project bench
Whatchu hollerin? Gotta pay rent, bring dollars in
By the bodega, iron under my coat, feelin braver
Doo-rag wrappin my waves up, pockets full of hope
Do not step to me - I'm awkward, I box leftier often
My pops left me an orphan, my momma wasn't home
Could not stress to me I wasn't grown; 'specially on nights
I brought somethin home to quiet the stomach rumblings
My demeanor - thirty years my senior
My childhood didn't mean much, only raisin green up
Raisin my fingers to critics; raisin my head to the sky
Big I did it - multi before I die (nigga)
No lie, just know I chose my own fate
I drove by the fork in the road and went straight

That's real talk... i dnt know if yall can relate.. but that's real shit!!



Right now.. My FAv. MC is Starlito he spits that's real shit.... ain't no1 in the game fucking with Lito... check out that Mental Warfare - shit is ridiculous

[The youngest boss.]

Em or Pun.

Big L after them

[Witty]

This boy Loast out of his fucking mind if he really thinks Jay was better than Em on Renegade.

[SiK]

This boy Loast out of his fucking mind if he really thinks Jay was better than Em on Renegade.


Second that

[God Of War]

i'm with GOW
Jay-Z his wordplay and lyrical content is amazing when u really listen to him
that renegade track he killed Em... Em had a ridiculous flow with some good at lyricism but Jay spit that Real shit.... had to hustle back to the wall ashy knuckles..
if u really pay attention to what he said his in verse.. i like Real shit.. muffuccas who talk to ya

Hov... i gotta post it whether u read it or not
Motherfuckers -
say that I'm foolish I only talk about jewels (bling bling)
Do you fools listen to music or do you just skim through it?
See I'm influenced by the ghetto you ruined
That same dude you gave nothin, I made somethin doin
what I do through and through and
I give you the news - with a twist it's just his ghetto point-of-view
The renegade; you been afraid
I penetrate pop culture, bring 'em a lot closer to the block where they
pop toasters, and they live with they moms
Got dropped roasters, from botched robberies niggaz crotched over
Mommy's knocked up cause she wasn't watched over
Knocked down by some clown when child support knocked
No he's not around - now how that sound to ya, jot it down
I bring it through the ghetto without ridin 'round
hidin down duckin strays from frustrated youths stuck in they ways
Just read a magazine that fucked up my day
How you rate music that thugs with nothin relate to it?
I help them see they way through it - not you
Can't step in my pants, can't walk in my shoes
Bet everything you worth; you lose your tie and your shirt

[Jay-Z]
I had to hustle, my back to the wall, ashy knuckles
Pockets filled with a lot of lint, not a cent
Gotta vent, lot of innocent of lives lost on the project bench
Whatchu hollerin? Gotta pay rent, bring dollars in
By the bodega, iron under my coat, feelin braver
Doo-rag wrappin my waves up, pockets full of hope
Do not step to me - I'm awkward, I box leftier often
My pops left me an orphan, my momma wasn't home
Could not stress to me I wasn't grown; 'specially on nights
I brought somethin home to quiet the stomach rumblings
My demeanor - thirty years my senior
My childhood didn't mean much, only raisin green up
Raisin my fingers to critics; raisin my head to the sky
Big I did it - multi before I die (nigga)
No lie, just know I chose my own fate
I drove by the fork in the road and went straight

That's real talk... i dnt know if yall can relate.. but that's real shit!!



Right now.. My FAv. MC is Starlito he spits that's real shit.... ain't no1 in the game fucking with Lito... check out that Mental Warfare - shit is ridiculous

ur the first person other then me that is een that thinks jay killed em on renengade lol

cognrats U WILL NEVER LOSE ON THIS SITE AGAIN!

[uh-oh]

i've been a fellow proponent of the jay murked em on renegades discussion

im too stoned to know if that sentence makes sense^

but word i thought jays was doper

[ill nik-A]

Jay is the goat and both verses were equally dope

[Chyeahhh!!!]

ur the first person other then me that is een that thinks jay killed em on renengade lol

cognrats U WILL NEVER LOSE ON THIS SITE AGAIN!


*keeping an eye on this potential sway voting ring*

you niggas must have retarded ears on the sides of yah faces

EM murdered Jay on that shit and Jay made my top 50 emcees so you know I'm not hating. That shit is a general consensus amongst everyone, it's like......dumbfounded to even consider the alternative. Shit's like saying

the sky is pink
you can drink poison
catching aids is fun
Jay beat Nas

come on man that's just going a little too far now. You niggas need psych evaluations or somethin

[Chyeahhh!!!]

*didn't see the other two above me*

uh oh.....look man you know hiphop. I'm just gonna assume you got abducted by aliens while you were drunk and you're coming down from the high and all that

illnika- just cause you had 8th grade home room with the nigga Jay don't mean you've got a legit say so in this matter. Shit's like a conflict of interest and shit

[Chyeahhh!!!]

No lie, just know I chose my own fate
I drove by the fork in the road and went straight


nigga Jay bit that line too from O.C I think it was

[Lecture]

3000

[Fig]

Andre 3000

Yes

No solo album, still better than the rest of em

[Fart]

Lol i like 3k but cmon he fell off and yall knows it

[Lecture]

3000 fell off, but em's dope making albums about farting and ring around the little boy asshole?

Right.

[The youngest boss.]

so fresh and so clean, clean

[Fig]

Lol i like 3k but cmon he fell off and yall knows it

No. He just doesn't rap often, but when he does, it's just as good as it ever was.

Da best

[Fart]

3000 fell off, but em's dope making albums about farting and ring around the little boy asshole?

Right.

Yes he has a couple gimmick tracks on albums, albums which still have some good lyrical content..but 3k fell off long ago.

[Fig]

There's always some understanding to be had with this type of conversation. Are we taking album sales and current relevancy into consideration? Because I look purely at content.

3 stacks, the best.

[Loast]

*keeping an eye on this potential sway voting ring*

you niggas must have retarded ears on the sides of yah faces

EM murdered Jay on that shit and Jay made my top 50 emcees so you know I'm not hating. That shit is a general consensus amongst everyone, it's like......dumbfounded to even consider the alternative. Shit's like saying

the sky is pink
you can drink poison
catching aids is fun
Jay beat Nas

come on man that's just going a little too far now. You niggas need psych evaluations or somethin

u prolly can't relate to what hov is saying... like i said em had betta flow but lyrically he smashed Em.....
and Hov said it best

Do you fools listen to music or do you just skim through it?

[oats]

You probably can't relate to what Em is saying then. I think both of them were nasty on that track, but Em just sounded better.

[Ghost1]

Dougie fresh

[Void]

Jay had a lyrically sound and poignant verse on Renegades, but his delivery on the track is what derailed it. There's a way of writing and delivering lines in a certain order and manner that makes the listener pay attention. It's the equivalent of having a good film with poor editing. Great story, decent acting, but the editing makes it hard to follow. Em on the other hand had an amazing flow, was more entertaining lyrically and stood out more. Jay killed himself on Renegades.

This question is bullshit to ask anymore. Rap's too old to have a universal best. You can run off a top ten of people who have held the spot at one time or another.

Em, Jay, Mos Def, 3000, Pun, Pac, Biggie, Meth for a minute maybe.

[...the Nagger]

Didn't read shit in this thread HOV DA GOD

[...the Nagger]

Hol up we talkin bout jay vs em on renegade??

Jay smashed that nigga fuck nas

Nas lost. Fuck ether

Jay > em fighting the Mormans

[Fart]

Ether was better though
much better

[...the Nagger]

Jay had a lyrically sound and poignant verse on Renegades, but his delivery on the track is what derailed it. There's a way of writing and delivering lines in a certain order and manner that makes the listener pay attention. It's the equivalent of having a good film with poor editing. Great story, decent acting, but the editing makes it hard to follow. Em on the other hand had an amazing flow, was more entertaining lyrically and stood out more. Jay killed himself on Renegades.

This question is bullshit to ask anymore. Rap's too old to have a universal best. You can run off a top ten of people who have held the spot at one time or another.

Em, Jay, Mos Def, 3000, Pun, Pac, Biggie, Meth for a minute maybe.

Hold on u killn my vibe lol wtf?

Mos def... ran rap at one point?


Method man ran rap? No


Neither did andre3000 my nigga. I think pun is a stretch but I'll let u have em

But yo jay was top 3 from 98- like 05 or some shit lol, thats not the same as just havin some dope verses.

I can even take dmx since he was top three 97-99

Em was there too around the same time frame as jay

But not too many other ppl were that revelant for that long consecutively

[...the Nagger]

Ether was better though
much better

Not as a diss track

Superugly was raw as fuck ether was just a better put together song

U kno u hit a nigga too hard when ya mother make u apologize,

Smarten up nas http://mobth720.photobucket.com/albums/ww206/mrcrackee/Boxden%20Smileys%20and%20gifs/th_jaycmonson2.png?t=1320619817

[Void]

What the fuck does 'run rap' mean? Influence? I wasn't talking influence. That's based on popularity, even if it is in the community. Ask anyone named in this thread whether or not Mos Def is one of the best and they'd agree.

You'll let me have him? lol Thanks for your approval. I needed it.

[Fart]

thats what i mean lol, i don't think any mainstream diss track, as a diss track, was all that great

[Void]

I wanna hear what Evidence had prepared for Eminem had he not apologized.

[Fart]

evidence should just stick to beats, like kanye

[...the Nagger]

What the fuck does 'run rap' mean? Influence? I wasn't talking influence. That's based on popularity, even if it is in the community. Ask anyone named in this thread whether or not Mos Def is one of the best and they'd agree.

You'll let me have him? lol Thanks for your approval. I needed it.

Nigga I CLEARLY explained it

Feel free to read it until u understnad more clearly!

If u wasn't the main nigga buzzin in rap ever, the how the hell can u be the best emcee? That don't even make sense

U name a nigga that got some good verses.... Mos Def.... the best emcee ever? How exactly can that make sense?

Based off of influence, Mos Def, is the best emcee ever to do it??

Lol amrite?

[Wise Wiggles]

We aren't basing this off of influence, is what he's trying to say. Lol "some good songs" is what JayZ has. JayZ also bit his entire style.

Don't believe me?

[...the Nagger]

My bad i skipped thru ya shit Void but basically I'm saying there's nothing u can base your judgement off of that could put mos def #1 in anything

He can be your fav or whatever, but the nigga ain't the greatest of nothin I can see.

[...the Nagger]

We aren't basing this off of influence, is what he's trying to say. Lol "some good songs" is what JayZ has. JayZ also bit his entire style.

Don't believe me?

Nigga read this shit again

And then tell me u didn't lol right after u finished

[...the Nagger]

But what's really upsettin me about this discussion is

How do you NOT base this off of influence????

We talkin about an emcee

The person who controls fuckin crowds??

You damn right popularity and influence is involved with this

[Wise Wiggles]

Jay-Z bit Jaz-O's style. Straight up jacked that shit. I hate jay, though. He don't control a fucking thing round here.

[Rojo187]

Well since how I'm seeing hova and em being compared, here's my take...

Jay has a bigger urban influence because he talked about the streets,hustling and took what big brought to the table and evolved and always stayed relevant...but one knock against hov is that he raps with a air of invincibility...like he can't be touched...He is very measured whereas Em was wayyyy more passionate....and isn't afraid to release his inner turmoil which is him at his finest...technical ability Em was more adept with wordplay, wittyness played with cadences more...he basically used his voice as an instrument and wasn't afraid to experiment...And as for Ether...even tho Jay apologized there was multiple people that was there when Jay first heard it...and it was like a funeral in there...Jay def took it as a loss...that shyt had the streets buzzing and you kno how Jay protects his image...

[Rojo187]

and speaking of influences and emcee controlling the crowd...Jay used to be horrible...he even admitted himself...even now he don't do much but he has so much stage presence he don't need to...Em was more engaging at his best when performing....

[TYSON]

Em>>>>jay on renegade

Jay>>>>em's whole career tho....

[PancakeBrah]

lol @ Andre 3000 falling off. Andre from Southernplayaistic on through Stankonia is the most consistent output of high quality lyrics in rap, in my estimation. Flow smooth as fuck and legitimately intelligent, not pseudo-intellectual underground bullshit. I don't give a fuck about the influence portion of this argument, just my own personal opinion of quality, but even if that did factor in he was part of one of the highest selling rap duos in history. Mainstream success and elitist respect. I know he's probably not in the top 5 consensus choices, but he'd be my pick.

Should probably stop appearing in razor commercials, though.

[Strikta]

Andre been dope.

[Wise Wiggles]

Pretty good actor as well. Outkast dope asfrick.
Better actor than Pac though?

[...the Nagger]

Rojo187 Whys Ways sound like haters imo


I usually don't converse with dudes who have the blind hate trait

[...the Nagger]

TYSON renegade jay > em

[Rojo187]

lmao...and you a blind follower...remove jay dick from ya mouth and look at shyt objectively then you may learn suttin...