the bible is nuts as fuck

[VividEnds]

no really


if this thing had a modern translation it would be iller than game of thrones

the rapture passages are especially interesting... Has really really cool metaphors

[VividEnds]

also, a lot of these passages are "divinely inspired" coming to people in "visions" or encounters, right?

we know that the farther we get into the future, the more likely/ easier it is we both
-encounter extraterrestrials
-develop time travel

what if the bible was written as a result of prophets from the future, sent by ourselves?

what if it was a celestial warning we had to issue ourselves as soon as we could in our development as a species, and chose to do it through carefully reverse- chronologically implanted mythology?

idk dudes. read this passage and tell me it doesn't sound like an atmospheric space encounter between an allied and an enemy force?

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+12%3A1-17&version=ESV

if you were to try to make this into a conceivable warning given to ancient people from the future, could you do it?

[uh-oh]

its just drugs bro

[veritas]

I have much to say about this.....

[Coup]

Here is the understanding on these verses:

And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. 2 She was pregnant and was crying out in birth pains and the agony of giving birth. 3 And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads seven diadems. 4 His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she bore her child he might devour it. 5 She gave birth to a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne, 6 and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, in which she is to be nourished for 1,260 days.

-the 12 stars are the 12 tribes of Ysrael

-the woman is the kingdom to come

being pregnant and in birth pains means those who have taken the covenant in spirit and in truth will go through tribulations and a purifying process on this earth while and before the kingdom comes down from heaven to be established on earth.

-the red dragon and the the 1/3 of the stars are the great dragon, called the devil and his fallen malikeem (angles) that are following him

the dragon stood before the people of Ysrael (those who worship in spirit and in truth) and he is waiting to devour the seekers of the Most High, he is not worried about the others because they already have his image..

-the child born is Yahshua, the Messiah

-the wilderness is where Yahshua will be taking his people to relearn the laws and statues of the Most High to be taught before waring with the nations and settting stright the world. this is called the 1000 year rein. It will take a thousand years to clean up Satan's kingdom. Satan rules it now...


7 Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels fought back, 8 but he was defeated, and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, “Now the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ have come, for the accuser of our brothers[a] has been thrown down, who accuses them day and night before our God. 11 And they have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, for they loved not their lives even unto death. 12 Therefore, rejoice, O heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to you, O earth and sea, for the devil has come down to you in great wrath, because he knows that his time is short!”



-this war of the 1000 year rein.


13 And when the dragon saw that he had been thrown down to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. 14 But the woman was given the two wings of the great eagle so that she might fly from the serpent into the wilderness, to the place where she is to be nourished for a time, and times, and half a time. 15 The serpent poured water like a river out of his mouth after the woman, to sweep her away with a flood. 16 But the earth came to the help of the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed the river that the dragon had poured from his mouth. 17 Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus. And he stood[b] on the sand of the sea.


-The war contiunes, tribulations etc

-but for the elects sake the time is cut short and "we" are lead to the wilderness of saftey, just how after the Exoudus out of Egypt the first time to the wilderness. Before the Most High gave Ysrael the huge blessings to be the head and not the tail of all nations, they first had to be proven and learned in the wilderness....j

-a time, and times, and half a time is 3 1/2 years....that's all the time he has once this goes down



any questions ? Use the king james bible for dialog they are more accurate.

false doctrines

-rapture into the sky
-christian heaven when you die
-the whtie jews are the true Ysraelites

etct...

[veritas]

the rapture is not a lie.

[Coup]

build me an understanding of rapture using precepts from scripture...also letters of Paul do not support rapture, they are cherry picked to say this.

after you build an understanding, line upon line, precept upon precept, establishly all things by two or three witness, then I will show you the truth of the matter...

Edit:

scriptures are the so called "old testament" and not letters of Paul...etc..

Also consider Paul came form the sect of the Phraisees, whom were all masters of the law and scriptures...tho they put the traditions of men before God (Elohim) [rapture is a tradition], making them of no effect

So he knew very well the scriptures. And consider Pauls on words

And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in MessiYAH Yahshua.

He is writing Timothy, a white Gentile in the flesh, that he known the scriptures since a child. The "NT" letters were not even compiled into text or book cannon when Tim was reading that. They both knew the scriptures were the books of Moses (Torah) and teh Tenak, or books of the Prophets.

Also very interesting is the fact that the book of Revelation has been spelled out by all the Prophets...though John received more details by Yahshua to write down in 92AD


No hate fam, just some thoughts.

I just realized the possibility of you "trollin"...oh well, I have zeal none the less lol

[~RustyGunZ~]

lolreligion

[veritas]

When the Bible says that "we are not appointed to wrath" what wrath does it mean?

[Witty]

I agree almost completely with what I have read so far in this thread from Coup

I'll try and throw some insight in later tonight as this is one thing I've studied quite extensively.

Impressive knowledge though.

[Coup]

When the Bible says that "we are not appointed to wrath" what wrath does it mean?

I know it's a Paul verse...I can't recall book...get me chapter and verse and I'll provide and build up your understanding according to mine...I'm very fimilar and am ready to help you. If I don't know I don't say.

More false doctrine to consider:

Laws nailed to the "cross"


looking to it Witty

[veritas]

hold up fam.....If you believe the rapture is a lie then perhaps you should build yours to mine.

now:

answer me: what wrath is it that we are not appointed to?


1 thess 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,


also let me ask you: who shall not die?

1 cor 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,


especiallay since the bible says that it is appointed once for every man to die?


so answer me this: 1. what wrath is it that we are not appointed to? I say that we are not appointed to the wrath of GOD which is the tribulation period aka four sets of 7 judgements all getting progressively worse

and 2. who shall not sleep? I say it is the church, the called out body, ecclesia.


answer please:

[Witty]

The rapture is one of the most contested beliefs in religion in general lol this could go on for a few pages.

[veritas]

I am asking two questions

1. what wrath is it that we are not appointed to?
2. who is not going to sleep?

[Masaii]

the dragon stood before the people of Ysrael (those who worship in spirit and in truth) and he is waiting to devour the seekers of the Most High, he is not worried about the others because they already have his image..

Can you elaborate on this please? When you say seekers of the most high, what do you mean by most high? Please explain further.

[Masaii]

However, no one knows the day or the hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows. (NLT, Matthew 24:36)

[Fart]

bible plot holes ftw

[TYSON]

I like this

[Coup]

yeah...I'll get to everything, according to my knowledge and understanding.


Just know this will take time and building up the totality of scripture in one thread may take a bit of patience.

Also know, some of you will no doubt be offended at some of the truths taken and stolen and paganized by world religion such as mainline Christianity and others...

Just know Rev 12:9 propesizes the WHOLE world has been sucesfully deceived. If the WHOLE world is doing something, stop and think (selah)...

Ill be back, waiting on VERITAS
Masaii no doubt...we have clues and propecies to not be ignorant of the wiles of Satan...

Interesting the 12 apostles kept on asking Yahshua these things...even he did not know the time or the hour.

[Coup]

Great questions...very good.

just saw @VERAITS reply...will be back with a bullet proof understanding ont out the words of Paul but out of scriptures, Paul knew there was no such thing as rapture...

also I will provide you what Paul is saying as he drew all understanding from scripture..you gotta keep in mind Paul was writing to gentiles whom were coming into the covenant, whom still worship pagan idols, he was teaching them...keep an historic mind and a Hebrew mindset..Paul was Hebrew form the tribe of Benjamen.

These same idols those Gentiles worshiped then, they do today...the wraped them all around scripture, thus pagainzing it.


Rapture is satan's doctrine to make you asleep
this is a pagan christian doctrine...

[Battle Hymns]

The bible is not real nor is it remotely close to the truth about how humans came to be.
All religions are cults and all the prophets from the pass/now were/are cult leaders.

Let me ask you this: was Jesus a white man? No
Did Jesus establish his church? No
Was Constantine a christian? No. He saw religion (like the previous Caesars before him) as a mind control device to divert the masses attention and anger. I believe around this time in early Christianity, Christians were being slaughtered by the boat loads by Romans.

Was Paul true to Jesus Christ teachings? No


Don't let me get started on Muslims, Jews, ect

Fuck the Abrahamic religions

[Witty]

The bible is not real nor is it remotely close to the truth about how humans came to be.
All religions are cults and all the prophets from the pass/now were/are cult leaders.

Let me ask you this: was Jesus a white man? No
Did Jesus establish his church? No
Was Constantine a christian? No. He saw religion (like the previous Caesars before him) as a mind control device to divert the masses attention and anger. I believe around this time in early Christianity, Christians were being slaughtered by the boat loads.

Was Paul true to Jesus Christ teachings? No


Don't let me get started on Muslims, Jews, ect

Fuck the Abrahamic religions

Some of that is definitely true.

I would question whether you have ever actually read the bible though.

[veritas]

Great questions...very good.

just saw @VERAITS reply...will be back with a bullet proof understanding ont out the words of Paul but out of scriptures, Paul knew there was no such thing as rapture...

also I will provide you what Paul is saying as he drew all understanding from scripture..you gotta keep in mind Paul was writing to gentiles whom were coming into the covenant, whom still worship pagan idols, he was teaching them...keep an historic mind and a Hebrew mindset..Paul was Hebrew form the tribe of Benjamen.

These same idols those Gentiles worshiped then, they do today...the wraped them all around scripture, thus pagainzing it.


Rapture is satan's doctrine to make you asleep
this is a pagan christian doctrine...


still waiting bro:

1. what wrath is it we are not appointed to?
2. Who shall not die?

[Battle Hymns]

Why would you question it? My best friend is an evangelical christian..

I grew up in a catholic/sunni muslim household.

I have several bibles with the intention of reading how different the translations are \


I don't question you if you read the bible because it's obvious


I would question if you read up about the bible and its fallacious history

[VividEnds]

The bible is not real nor is it remotely close to the truth about how humans came to be.
All religions are cults and all the prophets from the pass/now were/are cult leaders.

Let me ask you this: was Jesus a white man? No
Did Jesus establish his church? No
Was Constantine a christian? No. He saw religion (like the previous Caesars before him) as a mind control device to divert the masses attention and anger. I believe around this time in early Christianity, Christians were being slaughtered by the boat loads by Romans.

Was Paul true to Jesus Christ teachings? No


Don't let me get started on Muslims, Jews, ect

Fuck the Abrahamic religions

does being a cult change anything? aren't you supposed to find divinity within a religion, not have it given to you?

I think your problems are with Christians not Christianity

[Coup]

VERITAS I got you...I'm working on this colab

Just know that I'm going to build your understanding...good questions

I won't be back until I can post some scriptures...Ill be back.

[veritas]

question: 1: who has to be taken out of the way before the antichrist can come on the scene?


1Thess 2 7-8 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

Question 2: What wrath is it that we are not appointed to? I would say that is the wrath of GOD, which is the tribulation period

Questin 3: Who shall not sleep? Who shall not die?


please answer these questions.

[Witty]

I was questioning it because people thinking Jesus was white is not because of something that is in the bible, it was the catholic church...and I agree with u, I disagree with all organized religions, I think Christianity has badly abused and contorted biblical scripture to fit their own needs and desires, but it seemed like your view on the bible was actually your view of catholicism, the bible itself does not contain a lot of what the catholic church teaches....and Jesus was not Catholic, nor is the catholic church Jesus' church no matter how hard they insist it is.

[Witty]

I think your problems are with Christians not Christianity

This is exactly what I was trying to say, this guy said it better.

[TYSON]

Tell me why u mad fo

[Battle Hymns]

I have issues with both Baptists and Catholics... and the history of Christianity because of how violent their cause has been ever since its inception. I find it quite ironic when I hear right wing baptist claim that Muslims are very violent when in the 60s they were the same people burning down black churches. And if you want to go further back before Jim Crow there was slavery. No one wants to mention that holocaust.


And I find it annoying when Christians claim that they treated their slaves better than Muslims. I mean, should we even consider that to be a rationale argument? This is why I think Christianity is slowly dissolving because of its own self destructive traits.

I mean, if your pro life, why kill abortion clinic doctors? Why cut back public school funding if you're pro life? and there's more I can pull from out my magic hat.


But here's my biggest beef with all three religions. I'm a Palestinian, and yet, I'm consider to the world as an nomad, a gypsy, not as a political refugee, not a native whose ethnicity suffered its own silent "holocaust" because Ultra-orthodox Christians and Ultra-orthodox Jews claimed that "Jews" were now an ethnicity and needed to be given their "rightful" land back. You don't see the Americans giving back their land to the Native Americans.

Recently, the Israel government found in west Jerusalem a hidden ***he that was filled with thousands of dead Palestinians. This was the result of their expulsion back in 1948 which nearly all the world governments had a hand in it. But there's no mention of that in the history books. No mention as to what was the result of those poor Jews who had suffered from Hitler's hand taking over a land that wasn't theres ever. They became what they feared the most.

and the only people who push the zionist agenda are christians and jews. What people don't know that during WW2 Zionist Jews were working for Nazis in hopes of establishing a modern day Israel so that they can bring the second coming of christ a lot closer along with jewish genocide (it says in relevations there'll be a small number of jews who will survive). that's why you have a lot of christian churches and donation groups flooding Israel with funds. the absurdity of this alone says wonders about us as a species.

[Battle Hymns]

"Ever since the early Cold War, and Washington’s decision to engage with the Middle East, the US preference for working with religiously conservative regimes has been clear. It has consistently employed divide and rule tactics by supporting these states against regional rivals which they have in common. With Washington’s first “special relationship” forged with King Abdel Aziz of Saudi Arabia in the 1940s, US interests in the Middle East crystallized around privileged access to oil and security cooperation. With the establishment of Israel in 1948, US interests extended to include the assurance of Israeli security and military advantage. As decolonization gathered momentum, the new generation of secular pan-Arabist leaders threatened these US interests, by emphasizing the Arab people’s unity, and rights to sovereignty and independence. US and UK policymakers singled out the Egyptian vanguard of this trend, Gamal Abdel Nasser, for “containment.” They attempted this containment through a combination of intermittent incentives, subversion, and increasing coercion throughout the 1950s and 1960s. Their principal strategy was to build up regional rivals in Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Jordan, all conservative monarchies with state ideologies that revere Sunni Islam—rather than unifying, secular pan-Arabism.[2] In Saudi Arabia in particular, members of the religious establishment founded the Muslim World League in 1962 to proselytize Wahhabism, and fostered strong ties with Egyptian exiles, aided by the “petrodollar effect.” The crucial corollary of this was the stifling of national, let alone trans-national, pan-Arab solidarities.
The following decades, the United States worked to secure military bases in strategic locations. It signed defense agreements with the most sectarian of authoritarian leaderships in the Gulf, the minority Sunni monarchy of Bahrain in 1971, among others. The United States has consistently refrained from meaningful censure of its allies’ discriminatory sectarian policies. Such policies include for example, the naturalization of Sunni foreigners in Bahrain, to engineer a demographic majority. They also include police violence against Shi‘a in both Saudi’s Qatif province and across Bahrain. Perhaps one of the must destructive moments of US complicity in sectarianism came with the neoconservative era of George Bush when Condoleeza Rice’s principle of “creative chaos” was put into catastrophic effect during the US invasion and occupation of Iraq. In that besieged nation, already under the strain of war and sanctions for well over two decades, the United States’ “early policies eliminated the Iraqi state and symbols of common national identity. Sectarian-minded actors stepped into the vacuum while occupation forces passively observed the unraveling of the national fabric.”"


I wanted to share that with you if you thought I was mostly focusing on Jews and Christians. and here's some food for thought: 80% of the oil workers in Iraq belonged to the Communist party, in which all three religions have worked together to dismantle.

[Coup]

hold up fam.....If you believe the rapture is a lie then perhaps you should build yours to mine.

now:

answer me: what wrath is it that we are not appointed to?


1 thess 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,


also let me ask you: who shall not die?

1 cor 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,


especiallay since the bible says that it is appointed once for every man to die?


so answer me this: 1. what wrath is it that we are not appointed to? I say that we are not appointed to the wrath of GOD which is the tribulation period aka four sets of 7 judgements all getting progressively worse

and 2. who shall not sleep? I say it is the church, the called out body, ecclesia.


answer please:

Fam, take this slow...I don't care who is right...we are not to justify ourselves. So read through this slow and consider.

Like many world religions and like many Christians, your understanding and knowledge of truth only exist in the confides of Letters in the so called New Testament. This is your first great error. We must remember that MessiYAH and the 12 and Paul all taught through the Torah lens. You cannot begin to understand the "bible' unless you shake your pagan mindset (christain mindset) and see it how these Hebrews saw it.

The prophet Isaiah tells us that doctrine has to be established:


Isaiah 28:9-10
9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

Well ???

You provided in ignorance (not knowing) 1 Cor 15:51 as a verse to support a doctrine that is not in the "bible", but only in the hearts of deceived men and woman.


51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Paul is referring to the great and terrible day. The sound of the trumpet will single this...this trump he refers to starts the first seal which is explained in Revelations chapter 6. Not not rapture where you vanish in mid air to where ? The Kingdom is coming down from heaven to earth forever. The earth was not created in vain. Nither will Abba Yah's word come back to him in vain.

The wrath of the tribulations will purify his body of believers that are found in MessiYAH...But know you WILL go through tribulations if you be in that time...make no mistake. You have to be pure and tested to be found worthy to enter the narrow gates of the Kingdom and to go to the wilderness first to learn the way under the King Yahshua. The Broadway to destruction is the world's religion and what they are teaching you.

Matter of fact, the Feast of Trumpets is a High Day of Elohim that also foreshadows the great day. All his High Days do, fore in all his law is a teaching of his way. The Father uses trumpets to sound everything...it's all over scripture.

Isaiah speaks of this time, when Yahuwah will gather up Ysrael again..at the sound of THAT TRUMPET

Isaiah 27:12-13
12 And it shall come to pass in that day, that YAHWUAH shall beat off from the channel of the river unto the stream of Egypt, and ye shall be gathered one by one, O ye children of Israel.

13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the great trumpet shall be blown, and they shall come which were ready to perish in the land of Assyria, and the outcasts in the land of Egypt, and shall worship YAHUWAH in the holy mount at Jerusalem.

This of course has not happened yet.

His place on earth is Jerusalem. Even in Genesis, before Jerusalem became Jerusalem, it was Salem, where Yahuwah had a preist their after the order of meshedaik, the king of Salem.

Joel 2:1
Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of YAHUWAH cometh, for it is nigh at hand;

He is speaking of that day.

The angles will be with MessiYAH to tear the wheat from the chaff...those appointed to wrath and those going to the wilderness...

Revelation 8:6
And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.

IT GETS DEEP. THIS IS A BREIF OUTLINE...I have much to cover.

//

To show you that when we did we are really asleep spiritually. Consider a when MessiYAH rose Lazarous from the dead.

John 11

11 Now a certain man was sick, named Lazarus, of Bethany, the town of Mary and her sister Martha.

2 (It was that Mary which anointed the Master with ointment, and wiped his feet with her hair, whose brother Lazarus was sick.)

3 Therefore his sisters sent unto him, saying, Master, behold, he whom thou lovest is sick.

4 When Yahshua heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of Elohim, that the Son of Elohim might be glorified thereby.

5 Now Yahshua loved Martha, and her sister, and Lazarus.

6 When he had heard therefore that he was sick, he abode two days still in the same place where he was.

7 Then after that saith he to his disciples, Let us go into Judaea again.

8 His disciples say unto him, Master, the Jews of late sought to stone thee; and goest thou thither again?

9 Yahshua answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.

10 But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.

11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.

12 Then said his disciples, Master, if he sleep, he shall do well.

13 Howbeit Yahshua spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.

14 Then said Yahshua unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.

15 And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, to the intent ye may believe; nevertheless let us go unto him.

In Yahshua's understanding he was not dead, rather asleep until the great resurrection of us all on the time appointed, not know rapture.. He finally spoke carnally and to the peoples understanding and said, yeah he's dead. But in reality we don't die. We just return to the earth.

If Lazarus was in Heaven, he must of been looking down saying, "OH MAN not again...I have to come out of the Kingdom to go back to that evil place!!" lol

I can provide many more accounts and witness in scripture...but just know MessiYAH came in the volume of the "books" or the Torah (instructions). He was a walking Torah and you must remember that, he taught the will of the Father, which is to obey Him at every word.


-How we are not appointed to wrath. This is found in YAHUWAH's salvation: Yahshua the MessiYAH (which means YAH's Salvation)...in English Joshua.

-What is wrath and how we escape it ?...it's called Grace. Grace is our liberty or freedom of the judgments for breaking YAH's everlasting laws. There were two sets of laws. The law and the judgements for breaking them. MessiYAH frees us from not keeping the law, but judgements for them.




Here is an amazingly simple teaching in the Bible that is rarely taught.

It is concerning the law that was done away with through Yahshua's sacrifice. Here is also the true teaching which pertains to GRACE.

Hebrews 7:12-14

For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

This 7th chapter of Hebrews pertain to Yahshua becoming the High Priest through him becoming the sacrifice, fulfilling what was prophecied of him. He is literally the lamb of Elohim (God).

For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendence at the altar.

For it is evident that our Master sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

Yahshua came out of the tribe of Judah not out of the priest tribe of Levi.

Psalms 110 prophecied of this. But with the change of the priesthood also came a change of the laws which pertained to the Levitical priesthood. To put it plain, there were two set of laws in the Old Testament. The one set are the commandments of Elohim and the other set is the laws that you was placed under (the JUDGEMENTS) for breaking the aforementioned commandments. Let's read the BIBLICAL definition of what sin is.

1 John 3:4-5
Whosoever committeth sin, transgresseth ALSO the LAW:

(WHY?)

for SIN IS the TRANSGRESSION of the LAW.

And ye know that he was manifested to TAKE AWAY our sins; and in him is no sin.

We see here that sin means "transgression of the law". Any act that is contrary to Yahuwah's commandments is sin. Yahshua came to take away our sin because all men have sinned, and unless you become justified by the blood of Messiah, you are still in your sins and you are subject to the judgements of those sins. Now in the Old Testament, there was various judgements for various sins that the Levitical priesthood presided over. When you transgressed a sin not unto death, then you had to offer up sin offerings through the Levitical priesthood. But a transgression that was a part of the 10 commandments usually meant that the sinner had to die...without mercy/GRACE.

In Exodus 20 We see the Ten Commandments. But let's read the very next chapter

Exodus 21:1,12,17,24

NOW, these are the JUDGEMENTS which thou shalt set before them...

...He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to DEATH.

...And he that CURSETH his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death...

...Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,


Here, we see just a portion of that second set of laws called the
JUDGEMENTS. In the book of Leviticus you can read about the sins which required sin offerings/sacrifices. All of these JUDGEMENTS were what Yahshua's sacrifice delivered us from giving us GRACE.

Romans 6:12-16

Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lust thereof.
Neither yield your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto Elohim, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto Elohim.

Paul is saying something here that goes completely UNNOTICED. He said to not let sin reign in your body and to yield it unto Elohim as instruments of RIGHTEOUSNESS. You can't be an instrument of righteousness if you're not keeping the commandments of Yahuwah.

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for you are NOT UNDER THE LAW, BUT UNDER GRACE.


Paul is saying here that you are NOT under the death sentence that came from Adam. We will read about that later. We have received GRACE from the JUDGEMENTS that we were under according to the Old Covenant.

Now here's the thing. People misconstrue this to mean that we don't have to keep the commandments. No! You are NOT delivered from the laws of Yahuwah. You were delivered from the laws/JUDGEMENTS you were under for BREAKING those laws. Look at what Paul says in the next verse.

What then? shall we sin, because we are not UNDER the law, but under grace? Elohim forbid.

A prisoner receives parole from prison which is grace, NOT because he earned it, but because he had a powerful attorney/intercessor that delivered him from UNDER THE LAW. This prisoner sinned and he should have faced the JUDGEMENT but he was delivered. Upon his release, he asks his lawyer, shall I go back and commit the crime again now that I'm not under the law but under grace? The intercessor says, "Elohim forbid!!"
Think about it

Know ye not that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey; his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death,or of obedience unto righteousness?

Well???...

..Don't you know that?

Whatever actions you take whether you acknowledge it or not...if you keep Yah's commandments you are Yah's servant fulfilling the first AND greatest commandment. But if you follow after the rudiments of this world and the traditions of men, then you are a servant of ANOTHER Elohim. Yep... Satan himself,...regardless of who name you call upon.

But Elohim be thanked, that YE WERE SERVANTS of sin, but ye have OBEYED FROM THE HEART that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Being then MADE FREE FROM SIN; YE BECAME THE SERVANTS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS.

And it don't stop...

Galatians 3:10-13,19-24

For as many as are under the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is everyone that continueth NOT in the things which are written in the book of law to do them.
But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of Elohim.

Why is no man justified in the sight of Elohim?

Because we have all sinned that's why. No matter how much you keep the commandments you still have to be justified from the sins that you had commited in the past. For ALL have sinned.

it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith...

...Messiah hath redeemed us from the CURSE OF THE LAW, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is everyone that hangeth on a tree:

Hanging was also a judgement that was a penalty for sin. Yahshua was penalized for OUR sins.

Wherefore then serveth the law? It was ADDED because of transgressions...

In the next passage we shall see that sin can't be imputed if there is no law. So with that being the case, there was another set of laws as we saw above which was added because of transgressions. And these laws were none other than the JUDGEMENT laws. We were under these judgements which were our schoolmaster until Messiah came. Now, apply what you have learned to this next passage and watch how Paul's words flow.

Romans 5:18-21

Therefore as by the offence of one JUDGEMENT came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the FREE GIFT came upon all men unto justification of life.

For as by one man's disobedience many were MADE SINNERS, so by the OBEDIENCE of one shall many be made righteous.

That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might GRACE reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Yahshua HaMashiach our Master.

Now theologians/pastors/laymen read this passage and think that Messiah's death, which was a FREE GIFT/GRACE, means that we are not under the commandments.

No.

You are not under the JUDGEMENT which was the condemnation of death.

Ok,...so I would have to ask that now that you have partook of the free gift/GRACE, shall you continue in sin or must you start living a new way? Paul asks this same question in the next chapter.

Romans 6:1-7,12-18

What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that GRACE may abound?

Paul's answer:


ELOHIM FORBID. How shall we, that are DEAD to sin, live any longer therein?


How can you, or anyone else that is dead to sin, live any longer in sin, which as we read, was the transgression of the law.

How can you come under Yahshua's blood and still not keep the sabbath?

...and STILL eat pig and other abominations?

....and STILL talk about "Jesus was born on Decemeber 25?......and STILL put a tree/idol up in your living room?

Let's continue this chapter

Know ye not that so many of us were baptized into Yahshua HaMashiach were baptized into his death?

Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Messiah was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should WALK in the newness of life.

For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, WE SHALL

ALSO BE IN THE LIKENESS OF HIS RESURRECTION:
Knowing this, that our old man is CRUCIFIED with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin...

That adulterous, lying, idolotrous, pig-eating, Sunday morning-keeping, etc., etc., man/woman is DEAD! If he is dead then you are henceforth not serving sin. No ifs, and, or buts about it!

For he that is dead is freed from sin....
...;Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto Elohim, as those that alive from the dead, AND YOUR MEMBERS AS INSTRUMENTS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS UNTO ELOHIM.

This is something that YOU have to do! Bust that rhetoric that those holier-than-thou people be talking about saying, "The holy spirit keeps me walking in Elohim." Yea...I'm like, "Show that to me in the book!" But at anyrate, this letter of Paul's is FLOWING! Let's look at a portion of the letter Paul wrote to the Colossians who were newly delivered from sin and the pagan lifestyle of their people.

Colossians 2:6-16

As ye have therefore recieved Yahshua HaMashiach the Master, so walk ye in him:
Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
Beware lest any man spoil you through PHILOSOPHY and VAIN DECEIT, after the TRADITION OF MEN, after the RUDIMENTS OF THE WORLD, and not after Messiah.

Who were the philosophers in Paul's day? The Gentiles (Greeks and Romans) that's who. Their culture as them being the world rulers dictated what the traditions of men and the rudiments of the world were, just as present-day Christianity IS filled with traditions that came out of these Gentile idolatrous cultures.

For in HIM dwelleth ALL the fullness of the Elohim head bodily.

He's telling these Greeks, that not in Zeus, Apollo, Mithra, Easter (heh) and Diana does the Elohimhead exist, neither are they Elohims, but in the Elohim of Israel are these Greeks saved. Yes, this is a deep letter but it's very clear when you read it in context.

And ye are complete in him, which is the head of ALL

(ALL, absolutely ALL...including Nero, Caligula, and all the other Gentile rulers of the day.)

PRINCIPALITY AND POWER:...
...And YOU being dead in your SINS AND THE UNCIRCUMCISION OF YOUR FLESH, hath he quickened together with him, having FORGIVEN YOU ALL TRESPASSES;
(GRACE!)
Blotting out the ordinances that was AGAINST US, which was CONTRARY to us,

Which ordinance was against us and contrary to us? He just told you that he had forgiven you all trespass or else you would have been subject to that ordinance that was against us.

Can you guess what that ordinance was?

and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
And having spoiled principalities and powers,he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath DAYS:

(Cuz they have been done away with?...No, Because

Which are a shadow of things TO COME; but the body is of Messiah.

Paul is telling these newly-converted Greeks to not let any man, and especially people of their own race which were the rulers, philosophers, and idolators, to judge them because they have took hold of the covenant of the Elohim of Israel which includes all those things that they would be judged by. Now, let's look at the ordinance that was against us.

Hebrews 10:26-28

For if we sin wilfully after that we have recieved the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth NO MORE sacrifice for sins ,
But a certain fearful looking for of JUDGEMENT and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
He that despised Moses' law DIED WITHOUT MERCY under two or three witnesses.

HERE is that law which was against us and contrary to us.
The JUDGEMENT laws.

We had to die and unless Yahshua was made a sacrifice for the world, the Gentiles which were idolators among other things, could have never ever became a part of the "commonwealth of Israel".

Finally, let's look at one more passage. This is when they brought an adulterer to Yahshua.

John 8:1-11

Yahshua went unto the mount of Olives
And early in the morning he came again into the temple,and all the people came unto him;and he sat down and taught them.
And the scribes and the Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, the very act.
Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
This they said tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Yahshua stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
And again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.

Keep in mind here that had that woman not committed adultery, she would not have at this point,been put UNDER THE LAW...she needs some GRACE real quick or she will die.

And they which heard it, being CONVICTED by their OWN conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Yahshua was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.

Yahshua had just made intercession for this woman even before he BECAME the intercessor. Also note that had this woman given the option to sacrifice a bull or a goat as a JUDGEMENT for her sin, she would have happily done it. The sacrifices were not the ordinance that was contrary to us. Death was.

When Yahshua had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: GO, and SIN NO MORE.

Right there, Yahshua not only showed you which law was abolished, but he also showed you that you cannot continue in sin so that grace may abound. I'm sure that adulteress understood that perfectly! And...I hope you do too!

Grace & Peace in Yahshua

[Battle Hymns]

Fam, take this slow...I don't care who is right...we are not to justify ourselves. So read through this slow and consider.

Like many world religions and like many Christians, your understanding and knowledge of truth only exist in the confides of Letters in the so called New Testament. This is your first great error. We must remember that MessiYAH and the 12 and Paul all taught through the Torah lens. You cannot begin to understand the "bible' unless you shake your pagan mindset (christain mindset) and see it how these Hebrews saw it.

The prophet Isaiah tells us that doctrine has to be established:


Isaiah 28:9-10


Well ???

You provided in ignorance (not knowing) 1 Cor 15:51 as a verse to support a doctrine that is not in the "bible", but only in the hearts of deceived men and woman.



Paul is referring to the great and terrible day. The sound of the trumpet will single this...this trump he refers to starts the first seal which is explained in Revelations chapter 6. Not not rapture where you vanish in mid air to where ? The Kingdom is coming down from heaven to earth forever. The earth was not created in vain. Nither will Abba Yah's word come back to him in vain.

The wrath of the tribulations will purify his body of believers that are found in MessiYAH...But know you WILL go through tribulations if you be in that time...make no mistake. You have to be pure and tested to be found worthy to enter the narrow gates of the Kingdom and to go to the wilderness first to learn the way under the King Yahshua. The Broadway to destruction is the world's religion and what they are teaching you.

Matter of fact, the Feast of Trumpets is a High Day of Elohim that also foreshadows the great day. All his High Days do, fore in all his law is a teaching of his way. The Father uses trumpets to sound everything...it's all over scripture.

Isaiah speaks of this time, when Yahuwah will gather up Ysrael again..at the sound of THAT TRUMPET

Isaiah 27:12-13


This of course has not happened yet.

His place on earth is Jerusalem. Even in Genesis, before Jerusalem became Jerusalem, it was Salem, where Yahuwah had a preist their after the order of meshedaik, the king of Salem.

Joel 2:1


He is speaking of that day.

The angles will be with MessiYAH to tear the wheat from the chaff...those appointed to wrath and those going to the wilderness...

Revelation 8:6


IT GETS DEEP. THIS IS A BREIF OUTLINE...I have much to cover.

//

To show you that when we did we are really asleep spiritually. Consider a when MessiYAH rose Lazarous from the dead.

John 11



In Yahshua's understanding he was not dead, rather asleep until the great resurrection of us all on the time appointed, not know rapture.. He finally spoke carnally and to the peoples understanding and said, yeah he's dead. But in reality we don't die. We just return to the earth.

If Lazarus was in Heaven, he must of been looking down saying, "OH MAN not again...I have to come out of the Kingdom to go back to that evil place!!" lol

I can provide many more accounts and witness in scripture...but just know MessiYAH came in the volume of the "books" or the Torah (instructions). He was a walking Torah and you must remember that, he taught the will of the Father, which is to obey Him at every word.


-How we are not appointed to wrath. This is found in YAHUWAH's salvation: Yahshua the MessiYAH (which means YAH's Salvation)...in English Joshua.

-What is wrath and how we escape it ?...it's called Grace. Grace is our liberty or freedom of the judgments for breaking YAH's everlasting laws. There were two sets of laws. The law and the judgements for breaking them. MessiYAH frees us from not keeping the law, but judgements for them.




Here is an amazingly simple teaching in the Bible that is rarely taught.

It is concerning the law that was done away with through Yahshua's sacrifice. Here is also the true teaching which pertains to GRACE.

Hebrews 7:12-14



This 7th chapter of Hebrews pertain to Yahshua becoming the High Priest through him becoming the sacrifice, fulfilling what was prophecied of him. He is literally the lamb of Elohim (God).



Yahshua came out of the tribe of Judah not out of the priest tribe of Levi.

Psalms 110 prophecied of this. But with the change of the priesthood also came a change of the laws which pertained to the Levitical priesthood. To put it plain, there were two set of laws in the Old Testament. The one set are the commandments of Elohim and the other set is the laws that you was placed under (the JUDGEMENTS) for breaking the aforementioned commandments. Let's read the BIBLICAL definition of what sin is.

1 John 3:4-5


(WHY?)




We see here that sin means "transgression of the law". Any act that is contrary to Yahuwah's commandments is sin. Yahshua came to take away our sin because all men have sinned, and unless you become justified by the blood of Messiah, you are still in your sins and you are subject to the judgements of those sins. Now in the Old Testament, there was various judgements for various sins that the Levitical priesthood presided over. When you transgressed a sin not unto death, then you had to offer up sin offerings through the Levitical priesthood. But a transgression that was a part of the 10 commandments usually meant that the sinner had to die...without mercy/GRACE.

In Exodus 20 We see the Ten Commandments. But let's read the very next chapter

Exodus 21:1,12,17,24


Here, we see just a portion of that second set of laws called the
JUDGEMENTS. In the book of Leviticus you can read about the sins which required sin offerings/sacrifices. All of these JUDGEMENTS were what Yahshua's sacrifice delivered us from giving us GRACE.

Romans 6:12-16



Paul is saying something here that goes completely UNNOTICED. He said to not let sin reign in your body and to yield it unto Elohim as instruments of RIGHTEOUSNESS. You can't be an instrument of righteousness if you're not keeping the commandments of Yahuwah.



Paul is saying here that you are NOT under the death sentence that came from Adam. We will read about that later. We have received GRACE from the JUDGEMENTS that we were under according to the Old Covenant.

Now here's the thing. People misconstrue this to mean that we don't have to keep the commandments. No! You are NOT delivered from the laws of Yahuwah. You were delivered from the laws/JUDGEMENTS you were under for BREAKING those laws. Look at what Paul says in the next verse.



A prisoner receives parole from prison which is grace, NOT because he earned it, but because he had a powerful attorney/intercessor that delivered him from UNDER THE LAW. This prisoner sinned and he should have faced the JUDGEMENT but he was delivered. Upon his release, he asks his lawyer, shall I go back and commit the crime again now that I'm not under the law but under grace? The intercessor says, "Elohim forbid!!"
Think about it


Well???...

..Don't you know that?

Whatever actions you take whether you acknowledge it or not...if you keep Yah's commandments you are Yah's servant fulfilling the first AND greatest commandment. But if you follow after the rudiments of this world and the traditions of men, then you are a servant of ANOTHER Elohim. Yep... Satan himself,...regardless of who name you call upon.



And it don't stop...

Galatians 3:10-13,19-24


Why is no man justified in the sight of Elohim?

Because we have all sinned that's why. No matter how much you keep the commandments you still have to be justified from the sins that you had commited in the past. For ALL have sinned.



...Messiah hath redeemed us from the CURSE OF THE LAW, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is everyone that hangeth on a tree:

Hanging was also a judgement that was a penalty for sin. Yahshua was penalized for OUR sins.



In the next passage we shall see that sin can't be imputed if there is no law. So with that being the case, there was another set of laws as we saw above which was added because of transgressions. And these laws were none other than the JUDGEMENT laws. We were under these judgements which were our schoolmaster until Messiah came. Now, apply what you have learned to this next passage and watch how Paul's words flow.

Romans 5:18-21



Now theologians/pastors/laymen read this passage and think that Messiah's death, which was a FREE GIFT/GRACE, means that we are not under the commandments.

No.

You are not under the JUDGEMENT which was the condemnation of death.

Ok,...so I would have to ask that now that you have partook of the free gift/GRACE, shall you continue in sin or must you start living a new way? Paul asks this same question in the next chapter.

Romans 6:1-7,12-18



Paul's answer:




How can you, or anyone else that is dead to sin, live any longer in sin, which as we read, was the transgression of the law.

How can you come under Yahshua's blood and still not keep the sabbath?

...and STILL eat pig and other abominations?

....and STILL talk about "Jesus was born on Decemeber 25?......and STILL put a tree/idol up in your living room?

Let's continue this chapter

Know ye not that so many of us were baptized into Yahshua HaMashiach were baptized into his death?

Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Messiah was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should WALK in the newness of life.

For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, WE SHALL

ALSO BE IN THE LIKENESS OF HIS RESURRECTION:
Knowing this, that our old man is CRUCIFIED with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin...

That adulterous, lying, idolotrous, pig-eating, Sunday morning-keeping, etc., etc., man/woman is DEAD! If he is dead then you are henceforth not serving sin. No ifs, and, or buts about it!



This is something that YOU have to do! Bust that rhetoric that those holier-than-thou people be talking about saying, "The holy spirit keeps me walking in Elohim." Yea...I'm like, "Show that to me in the book!" But at anyrate, this letter of Paul's is FLOWING! Let's look at a portion of the letter Paul wrote to the Colossians who were newly delivered from sin and the pagan lifestyle of their people.

Colossians 2:6-16



Who were the philosophers in Paul's day? The Gentiles (Greeks and Romans) that's who. Their culture as them being the world rulers dictated what the traditions of men and the rudiments of the world were, just as present-day Christianity IS filled with traditions that came out of these Gentile idolatrous cultures.



He's telling these Greeks, that not in Zeus, Apollo, Mithra, Easter (heh) and Diana does the Elohimhead exist, neither are they Elohims, but in the Elohim of Israel are these Greeks saved. Yes, this is a deep letter but it's very clear when you read it in context.

And ye are complete in him, which is the head of ALL

(ALL, absolutely ALL...including Nero, Caligula, and all the other Gentile rulers of the day.)



(Cuz they have been done away with?...No, Because



Paul is telling these newly-converted Greeks to not let any man, and especially people of their own race which were the rulers, philosophers, and idolators, to judge them because they have took hold of the covenant of the Elohim of Israel which includes all those things that they would be judged by. Now, let's look at the ordinance that was against us.

Hebrews 10:26-28



HERE is that law which was against us and contrary to us.
The JUDGEMENT laws.

We had to die and unless Yahshua was made a sacrifice for the world, the Gentiles which were idolators among other things, could have never ever became a part of the "commonwealth of Israel".

Finally, let's look at one more passage. This is when they brought an adulterer to Yahshua.

John 8:1-11



Keep in mind here that had that woman not committed adultery, she would not have at this point,been put UNDER THE LAW...she needs some GRACE real quick or she will die.

And they which heard it, being CONVICTED by their OWN conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.

Yahshua had just made intercession for this woman even before he BECAME the intercessor. Also note that had this woman given the option to sacrifice a bull or a goat as a JUDGEMENT for her sin, she would have happily done it. The sacrifices were not the ordinance that was contrary to us. Death was.

When Yahshua had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: GO, and SIN NO MORE.

Right there, Yahshua not only showed you which law was abolished, but he also showed you that you cannot continue in sin so that grace may abound. I'm sure that adulteress understood that perfectly! And...I hope you do too!

Grace & Peace in Yahshua

nonsense and gibberish

[Split]

I have issues with both Baptists and Catholics... and the history of Christianity because of how violent their cause has been ever since its inception. I find it quite ironic when I hear right wing baptist claim that Muslims are very violent when in the 60s they were the same people burning down black churches. And if you want to go further back before Jim Crow there was slavery. No one wants to mention that holocaust.


And I find it annoying when Christians claim that they treated their slaves better than Muslims. I mean, should we even consider that to be a rationale argument? This is why I think Christianity is slowly dissolving because of its own self destructive traits.

I mean, if your pro life, why kill abortion clinic doctors? Why cut back public school funding if you're pro life? and there's more I can pull from out my magic hat.


But here's my biggest beef with all three religions. I'm a Palestinian, and yet, I'm consider to the world as an nomad, a gypsy, not as a political refugee, not a native whose ethnicity suffered its own silent "holocaust" because Ultra-orthodox Christians and Ultra-orthodox Jews claimed that "Jews" were now an ethnicity and needed to be given their "rightful" land back. You don't see the Americans giving back their land to the Native Americans.

Recently, the Israel government found in west Jerusalem a hidden ***he that was filled with thousands of dead Palestinians. This was the result of their expulsion back in 1948 which nearly all the world governments had a hand in it. But there's no mention of that in the history books. No mention as to what was the result of those poor Jews who had suffered from Hitler's hand taking over a land that wasn't theres ever. They became what they feared the most.

and the only people who push the zionist agenda are christians and jews. What people don't know that during WW2 Zionist Jews were working for Nazis in hopes of establishing a modern day Israel so that they can bring the second coming of christ a lot closer along with jewish genocide (it says in relevations there'll be a small number of jews who will survive). that's why you have a lot of christian churches and donation groups flooding Israel with funds. the absurdity of this alone says wonders about us as a species.

Literally read nothing after I realized you don't know the difference between theology and cultism

[Battle Hymns]

Literally read nothing after I realized you don't know the difference between theology and cultism



They are both one and the same, dumbass. Jesus Christ was just as crazy as Jim Jones. The only difference is: Jesus was more compassionate and didn't want to lose supporters so he can have a place to stay whereas Jim Jones wanted followers so that they can kill themselves along with himself because he wanted attention.

[Split]

They are both one and the same, dumbass. Jesus Christ was just as crazy as Jim Jones. The only difference is: Jesus was more compassionate and didn't want to lose supporters so he can have a place to stay whereas Jim Jones wanted followers so that they can kill themselves along with himself because he wanted attention.

Jesus Christ isn't important, the story is...

[Battle Hymns]

Religion cannnot/will not ground itself on science so therefore its all made up... nothing real about it.. smokes and mirrors

[Battle Hymns]

Jesus Christ isn't important, the story is...

You don't find it important that Jesus Christ wasn't the one who established the church? I mean, where do they derive their philosophy, morals, analogies from... He's the fucking Hero of the story who has been white washed by the greeks and romans. The Jesus that you know doesn't come close to what Jesus was/is/and always has been.

[Coup]

You cats are ignorant, still stuck believing we came from rocks. You Gentiles and your religion of evolution is crazy.

Evolution is not apart of science.

Jesus = Zeus, the Gentile (Roman/Greek) god of gods. Since truth cannot be stopped they took Zeus, replaced YAH's Salvation (Yahshua MessiYAH) and put him in scriptures. It's called Hellenization. Impressively, even wiki got it right on that fact. This went down 300AD

Jesus teaches open rebellion of the Most High and is Satan's chief religious leader. He is literally a pale comparison to the real deal. He is white, he is part of the parallel world in Satan's Kingdom. HE can be found on SUNday across the world.

On the other hand,

Yahshua was a so called black man, from the tribe of Yahuda (Judah), out the lions of his father, King Dawid (David) and will have the throne of his father Dawid upon his return. He came absolutely in the flesh and was not half Elohim, half man.

I said a lot. No hate. Back lash eminent.

[Battle Hymns]

You cats are ignorant, still stuck believing we came from rocks. You Gentiles and your religion of evolution is crazy.

Evolution is not apart of science.

Jesus = Zeus, the Gentile (Roman/Greek) god of gods. Since truth cannot be stopped they took Zeus, replaced YAH's Salvation (Yahshua MessiYAH) and put him in scriptures. It's called Hellenization. Impressively, even wiki got it right on that fact. This went down 300AD

Jesus teaches open rebellion of the Most High and is Satan's chief religious leader. He is literally a pale comparison to the real deal. He is white, he is part of the parallel world in Satan's Kingdom. HE can be found on SUNday across the world.

On the other hand,

Yahshua was a so called black man, from the tribe of Yahuda (Judah), out the lions of his father, King Dawid (David) and will have the throne of his father Dawid upon his return. He came absolutely in the flesh and was not half Elohim, half man.


DO YOU PEOPLE WANT TO BELIEVE THIS NONSENSE? THESE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE WHO WANT TO STOP ABORTION BY KILLING ABORTION CLINIC DOCTORS, BRING BACK SLAVERY(BECAUSE THE BIBLE IS BIG ON THAT), STOP OVERALL SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH BECAUSE OF HOW BLASPHEMOUS SCIENCE IS.


Do you really want to follow these nut jobs with their wingnut political beliefs?

[Coup]

Yes the "bible" is big on slavery. YAHUWAH sent Ysrael into slavery...you know Ysrael as proverbs and by words as Deuteronomy chapter 28 said you would: Nigg##s and monkeys etc..

YAHUWAH don't play with disobedience. You are not the first nor will you be the last to be offended by his name sake.


Tell me what did the false theory of evolution add to our lives or science...better yet, what is your best evidence for evolution ? I don't know if you believe or follow this religion but I would guess you do.

Science is demonstrable, observable and testable. None of your current relgious views are apart of science.

Consider that before you engage me in anything, I am sharp as a serpent in these matters but harmless as a dove.

[Battle Hymns]

Yes the "bible" is big on slavery. YAHUWAH sent Ysrael into slavery...you know Ysrael as proverbs and by words as Deuteronomy chapter 28 said you would: Nigg##s and monkeys etc..

YAHUWAH don't play with disobedience. You are not the first nor will you be the last to be offended by his name sake.


Tell me what did the false theory of evolution add to our lives or science...better yet, what is your best evidence for evolution ? I don't know if you believe or follow this religion but I would guess you do.

Science is demonstrable, observable and testable. None of your current relgious views are apart of science.

Consider that before you engage me in anything, I am sharp as a serpent in these matters but harmless as a dove.



Dood... I'm not a science major nor am I well versed in speaking on that subject. But peop this: I bet you came across a guy name Kent Hovind because it sounds like you were one of the many people who were fooled into believing his bullshit about how evolution is false.


If anybody has the time: google Kent Hovind or the "Hovind Theory" and you'll hear lectures of him denouncing the evolution theory despite the fact he's not an accredited science professor and has been revealed for for the fraud that he is.


But anyway, everything that you said is bullshit... there are no such thing as demons or angels, its all figment of your wild imagination... you can't extrapolate the meaning of life or derive human nature by quoting scripture it just as absurd as collecting tons upon tons of information... but its how we use that information for us to understand what it really means to be human.. not some fucking fuck god, rubber ducky, or cloud in the sky, ect

[Coup]

I'm very familiar with Kent..seen his work

This Gentile speaks good on the topic but has not clue to doctrine...and teaches Jesus and open rebellion...

[Sharp]

pls dont come back to this forum after youre done with 9th grade

[Split]

You don't find it important that Jesus Christ wasn't the one who established the church? I mean, where do they derive their philosophy, morals, analogies from... He's the fucking Hero of the story who has been white washed by the greeks and romans. The Jesus that you know doesn't come close to what Jesus was/is/and always has been.

The philosophies, morals, and analogies came a long time before Jesus


Religion cannnot/will not ground itself on science so therefore its all made up... nothing real about it.. smokes and mirrors

Lol do u even think before u type? Politics, rhetoric, study of history, most of psychology does not ground itself in science

All bullshit though I agree

I swear to fuck, atheism has become the doctrine of the weak-minded in the pathetically ironic way that religion was before


Rather than evaluate anything for yourself firsthand, you draw ur opinion from a vast array of secondhand garbage that you have arranged to mimic the views of people who have taken the time to come to their own conclusions


U disgust me as a human being

[Coup]

I've actually been to university cat...you must of read my freewrite cyper

[Battle Hymns]

The philosophies, morals, and analogies came a long time before Jesus




Lol do u even think before u type? Politics, rhetoric, study of history, most of psychology does not ground itself in science

All bullshit though I agree

I swear to fuck, atheism has become the doctrine of the weak-minded in the pathetically ironic way that religion was before


Rather than evaluate anything for yourself firsthand, you draw ur opinion from a vast array of secondhand garbage that you have arranged to mimic the views of people who have taken the time to come to their own conclusions

U disgust me as a human being



What the fuck are you talking about? Hardly anyone argrees with what I say most of the time and its not my fault if I have endless amounts of information to back what I say because I take the time to digest and work out the thoughts. I'm an atheist by name alone I don't read Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris, or agree with what they say most of what atheist say most of the time. So, read a book before you go off and claim something that isn't true, faggit.



It's true that psychology, politics, rhetoric aren't grounded in science but they can be unlike religion because you can extrapolate data from that where as religion you can not because its all imaginary.. caveman morals mixed with pretty pictures of sunny jesus

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pls dont come back to this forum after youre done with 9th grade

I'm the nine grader? You're the slave of men who died along ago and who most likely impregnated their daughters and sisters because it was acceptable back then. So, hop off my cock, child.

[Coup]

I'm out of this thread unless I'm tagged with a question from those who believe and are seeking knowledge of scriptures free of pagan influence...(I don't know it all but know enough)

I understand if you don't believe...

I dislike these kinds of talks because of the frenzy they can draw and what it can do to people.

out.

[Battle Hymns]

I'm out of this thread unless I'm tagged with a question from those who believe and are seeking knowledge of scriptures free of pagan influence...(I don't know it all but know enough)

I understand if you don't believe...

I dislike these kinds of talks because of the frenzy they can draw and what it can do to people.

out.

the fact that you said "pagan beliefs" says it all

we aren't living in the times of the fucking spanish inquisition

[Coup]

I have this urge to show you...but nah. I'd rather get along in the future

peace.

[Battle Hymns]

I have this urge to show you...but nah. I'd rather get along in the future

peace.

spare me your Alex Jones quotes, movies, thoughts, ect

[Coup]

you would like to hear ?

[Battle Hymns]

Go ahead.. I've heard it all before.. believe me.. it wouldn't be anything knew..

[Battle Hymns]

build me an understanding of rapture using precepts from scripture...also letters of Paul do not support rapture, they are cherry picked to say this.

after you build an understanding, line upon line, precept upon precept, establishly all things by two or three witness, then I will show you the truth of the matter...

Edit:

scriptures are the so called "old testament" and not letters of Paul...etc..

Also consider Paul came form the sect of the Phraisees, whom were all masters of the law and scriptures...tho they put the traditions of men before God (Elohim) [rapture is a tradition], making them of no effect

So he knew very well the scriptures. And consider Pauls on words



He is writing Timothy, a white Gentile in the flesh, that he known the scriptures since a child. The "NT" letters were not even compiled into text or book cannon when Tim was reading that. They both knew the scriptures were the books of Moses (Torah) and teh Tenak, or books of the Prophets.

Also very interesting is the fact that the book of Revelation has been spelled out by all the Prophets...though John received more details by Yahshua to write down in 92AD


No hate fam, just some thoughts.

I just realized the possibility of you "trollin"...oh well, I have zeal none the less lol



Wait... Do you believe that one occult leader Timothy from Nebreska?

[Coup]

Go ahead.. I've heard it all before.. believe me.. it wouldn't be anything knew..

nah, you haven't! Either have i though. I'm sure we heard a lot...It seems you been down these roads before and you know as well as I do how they can get out of hand. I apologize to you for actin a fool and coming at you disrespectful.

I hope when the time comes we could talk about views...

[Battle Hymns]

nah, you haven't! Either have i though. I'm sure we heard a lot...It seems you been down these roads before and you know as well as I do how they can get out of hand. I apologize to you for actin a fool and coming at you disrespectful.

I hope when the time comes we could talk about views...

I can respect that.

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What the fuck are you talking about? Hardly anyone argrees with what I say most of the time and its not my fault if I have endless amounts of information to back what I say because I take the time to digest and work out the thoughts. I'm an atheist by name alone I don't read Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris, or agree with what they say most of what atheist say most of the time. So, read a book before you go off and claim something that isn't true, faggit.



It's true that psychology, politics, rhetoric aren't grounded in science but they can be unlike religion because you can extrapolate data from that where as religion you can not because its all imaginary.. caveman morals mixed with pretty pictures of sunny jesus

how can you objectively claim something wrong and make an attempt to ridicule it at the same time?

ur one big logical fallacy, by definition

[EtH]

Fringe is biting it's storyline from this thread.

[Battle Hymns]

how can you objectively claim something wrong and make an attempt to ridicule it at the same time?

ur one big logical fallacy, by definition

Hey, Fuck Boy, it's called scientific advancement... We can only learn a lot by examining our past prejudices along with our past mistakes.


Get this simpleton away from me

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Hey, Fuck Boy, it's called scientific advancement... We can only learn a lot by examining our past prejudices along with our past mistakes.


Get this simpleton away from me

nice ad hominem + woody allen life lesson

[Coup]

Wait... Do you believe that one occult leader Timothy from Nebreska?



don't know who he is.

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nice ad hominem + woody allen life lesson

lol whatever you say, simpleton

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don't know who he is.

So, you don't read the letters of christ? timothy is a self proclaimed prophet who says he speaks to god directly on a daily basis and writes down their conversations.

not only that he has made a few "corrections" that have caught the attention of christians worldwide.

[Coup]

So, you don't read the letters of christ? timothy is a self proclaimed prophet who says he speaks to god directly on a daily basis and writes down their conversations.

not only that he has made a few corrections that previous followers have made that has caught the attention of christians worldwide.

LOL man, that don't surprise me. Christianity has always been off, but it is really becoming "crazier" and "crazier"

I don't ID myself as a Christian...

[Coup]

VERITAS

what you think cat ? We can talk about end times too...just want you to weigh in on what was said between me and you.

[Mael]

Battle Hymens

You ever heard of the Induction Fallacy?

[Battle Hymns]

Battle Hymens

You ever heard of the Induction Fallacy?

No. But I will.

[Mael]

No. But I will.

Good, because your entire offensive by yielding science as a secure basis of reasoning has just been rendered invalid.

I'd suggest a less sense of certainty when entering into a debate with little to no understanding of the matters of fact.

Don't be too aggressive, mate.

[Battle Hymns]

Good, because your entire offensive by yielding science as a secure basis of reasoning has just been rendered invalid.

I'd suggest a less sense of certainty when entering into a debate with little to no understanding of the matters of fact.

Don't be too aggressive, mate.

Wrong. I never said science was something that was definite or an absolute but our only means of understanding the world as is now.

unlike science, religion offers those absolution that you speak of

[Dr Expert]

Yes I have much to discuss about this matter. My good friend Father Eko Bombaata is a respected theologian and geneticist in the mold of Gregor Mendel. Now on the matter of rapture and the origins of the Black Christ Lord YAHWUWAHWAH there is some compelling evidence to indicate its inherent truth. I was doubtful when confronting Fr. Bombaata from my secular perspective, he said consider the following: Deuteronomy 4:11-4 “He commanded you, and feeding you with manna; from these days until those days; when the sacrifice of the LAMB will occur.” Then consider Judges 14:6-7 “For the lamb is pure when placed upon the altar; not before or after its time; in sight of the Kohen Gadol and the purest unborn flesh.” Prophetic and compelling indeed. It is a reference to the coming LORD saviour YAHWUWAHWAH – the lamb who was sacrificed surely the symbology doesn’t need to be spelled out for it to be seen. Now for his appearance; consider Pauls epistle to the Gheylations 15: 2-7 “For look upon his feet they are as dark as brass in flame and his voice runs as deep as many waters.” Does this not paint a compelling and vivid picture? Genetically, consider the following: Genetic complement/gene="yaaUA” AUTUGUTUGUTACCUCUGATUGACTUAGUCAUGCG***TUGUTTTUTUUG CUAUGUAUGACUAUGUAUCUACUTGUGU/function="putative transport; Transport of tyrosine; Melaningenosis." Consider the gene is dated to be active historically in the Levantine region of YAHUWAHWAHS immaculate birth and also concurrently with the current Ethiopian region then known as the Kingdom of Abyssinia – and the Kingdom of Semien the descendants of King Solomon. Now consider the scriptural connotations of Acts 8: 8-10 “For the Most High and the good king are bonded forever; and as David shall rule forever and as Solomon rule forever; each will serve the Most High of their same image.” Their image must match HIS image. Now you see the truth in this statement on a number of different levels. Clearly the following is fact and the written testament shows it is infallible.

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VERITAS

what you think cat ? We can talk about end times too...just want you to weigh in on what was said between me and you.

You err greatly in the scriptures. You used the day of the lord to disprove tje rapture. Tjey are two seperate events.

Your answrr to the second question was poor sir we can debate of u like

You did nkt answer the third qiestion from wjat I could see....who has to be removed for the antichrist to come?

[Coup]

Ham was so called black nation...All "science" recognize this. Ham was one of the sons of Noah coming of the ach after the flood destroyed YAH's creation. (You see a rainbow in the sky ? That is Abba's covenant symbol to let us know he will never destroy his creation again).

Noah had other sons too coming off the ark....Shem and Jahpet.

Shem was also the father of Eber. Eber was his great grand child. Eber was the first Hebrew. From Eber we get Abraham, Issac and Jacob. Jacob is the father of the 12 tribes of Ysrael. From his seed and from these 12 brothers, the nation of Ysrael came forth out of Egypt by a mighty hand of YAHUWAH.

Ham is the father of the Egyptian, Canaanite and other so called black nations. We know this historically.

Moses was mistaken for a Canaanite.

Paul, a teacher (Moreh) to the Gentile nations was mistaken for an Egyptian.

Joesph the son of Jacob was mistaken for an Egyptian.

MessiYAH fled to Egypt as child to hide from King Herod and Roman decree to kill all new borns under 2. He understood prophecies, but not fully...it's deep.

The children of Ysrael were a so called black peoples.


Where are they today ? We can Identify them according to how it is written in scripture.

Oh, the sons of Japhet are the peoples that make up the Gentile nations, or the so called white cats. The "jews" who claim their identity in the land of Israel today are in fact Gentiles,

This makes sense, since the many prophecies say Japhet will be enlarged in Shems tent, among hundreds of other witnesses in scriptures.

It also comes to no surprise when MessiYAH himself is recorded say, "the jews whom are not, but the synagogue of Satan"

Just some thoughts brothers and sisters.

Shalom.

[Coup]

You err greatly in the scriptures. You used the day of the lord to disprove tje rapture. Tjey are two seperate events.

Your answrr to the second question was poor sir we can debate of u like

You did nkt answer the third qiestion from wjat I could see....who has to be removed for the antichrist to come?

Can you use scripture to show my error ?

The anit-messiYAH or man of perdition will come... I don't understand the question; can you rephrase it with as much knowledge and understanding and background context as you can ? So I can understand better the question ?

No I would not like to debate. The day of YAHUWAH is that terrible day.

I do wish to remain friendly, I don't want to get heated.


Can you build me a rapture doctrine out the scriptures ? Pretend I never knew and want to learn...build me up. I would vastly appreciate it.

I won't debate you, just want to see your understanding.

[Coup]

Can you elaborate on this please? When you say seekers of the most high, what do you mean by most high? Please explain further.

Most High is YAHUWAH, and his title is Elohim. The world knows the creator by titles. GOD and LORD. Which all have come from pagan nations and their idols.

In the Hebrew scriptures (whom were a so called black peoples) YAHUWAH Elohim was read every time you see LORD thy GOD. The Gentiles took out the honor and gave it to their idols.

Give me your ear. I did not put this study together. This was written by Hebrew Moreh, whom I personally know and study under and with.

Many people accept "Jesus" as the correct modern English translation of the name "Yahshua." The fact is that IF it is in fact a correct translation, then that's exactly what it is,... a TRANSLATION. In English or Hebrew, the name "Jesus" did not exist until the 1600's and Yahshua was the name that Miriam (Mary) received from Gabri-el, at the commandment of Yah, to name her son,... AND,... the name that the apostles preached in. This is a FACT whether we want to accept it or not.

There are various studies that exist which really explore the reasoning behind the Greeks changing of the Hebrew names. Many of these studies can be found on the internet and shall be explored here. Understand that the language barrier was NOT the issue in the Greeks changing of the Hebrew names. If it was, then everyone that speaks English would know Him as "Joshua," an English translation of Yahshua meaning "Yah is Salvation."

In the New Testament, or the "Greek Scriptures" as some call them, they refrained from pronouncing the name of the prophets of the Old Testament. One very glaring "translation" is found in Luke 4:27 where the name "Eliseus" is used instead of Elisha. In the Greek, "Eliseus" means "God (Elohim) is Zeus."

Luke 4:27
And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Eliseus the prophet; and none of them was cleansed, saving Naaman the Syrian.

This is a very interesting passage. Anyone that have read this book before in it's earlier editions read what I wrote concerning the rendering of Elisha's name as Eliseus, but when I wrote this, I was totally unaware of the rendering of this name in the ORIGINAL 1611 King James Version. For your edification here it is.

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Notice the "z" is there in the name but here in these modern English translations we see an "s" in the name. Translators let the "z" that clearly represent Zeus get past them back in 1611 but they rectified the "deceit" later. The same "s" that they put in Eliseus is the SAME "s" they put in JeSus replacing the "z" that is really Zeus. Zeus and salvation are synonymous to the ancient Greeks. The tie-in brothas and sistas, is that Elizeus to the Greeks mean "God/Elohim saves, because the "sha" in Elisha (the true Hebrew name of the prophet as opposed to Elizeus) means saves just as "shua" in Joshua or Yahshua means "saves." To the Greeks, salvation is of ZEUS. So the point is that Jesus is neither transliterated NOR translated from Yahshua, Yeshua, Yahoshua, or any Hebrew rendering/dialect of the name Yahshua because, Zeus saves no one!

Another interesting passage is

Hebrews 4:8
For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

In the liner notes of most bibles, and even in other versions, they tell you that the original name there was "Joshua" which is translated from "Yahshua." This is similar to the passage where "Easter" is substituted for "Passover."

Acts 12:4

And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after EASTER to bring him forth to the people.

Easter, which is named after the Teutonic goddess of fertility "Eostre," is in no way translated from Passover. Yet another interesting passage is found in

Acts 7:45

Our fathers had the tabernacle of witness in the wilderness, as he had appointed, speaking unto Moses, that he should make it according to the fashion that he had seen. Which also our fathers that came after brought in with JESUS into the possession of the Gentiles, whom God drave out before the face of our fathers, unto the days of David;

What does this verse mean?

Think about it.


Where you see "Jesus" in this passage, it was originally "Yahshua" because you can clearly see that Joshua the son of Nun, and the successor to Moshe (Moses) was who was being referred to here as the one that brought the tabernacle of witness into the possession of the "Gentiles." The Gentile/European scribes were so quick to substitute the name of Messiah, for their Hellenized version that they totally mistranslated this verse. The word "nations" should have also been placed in this passage instead of "Gentiles" because the land that they brought the tabernacle of witness into was of the Philistines, who were not Gentiles. The Gentiles are the sons of Japheth according to Genesis 10:5. The Philistines descended from Ham. Look in the liner notes in your Bible and you will see the corrections.

Before the 1600's, "Jesus" was pronounced closer to the way the LATIN-OS (LATINOS) pronounce it today (Hey-ZEUS). This also begs a question as to why/when they decided to change the long "u" sound as in truth, (Zeus), to the short "u" sound, as in lust, (Jesus). Does that sound like a coincidence or something that just happened?

Earlier, we saw the name "Elisha" translated to Eliseus. Now the "s" in the middle of this Greek translated word sounds exactly like the "s" in the middle of Jesus, which is a "Z" sound. Check the pronunciations in your reference books (je' zus). The "Z" was replaced with an "S". You don't think so? Then note

Revelation 14:1
And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
The "Z" in Zion is clearly replaced with a "S".

Names should not be neither translated nor transliterated! When you transliterate a name from one language to another, then you're taking the letters/symbols of one language and replacing it with the letters/symbols of another language. In the second language, you end up having a word that has a very different meaning in that language. Names, especially Hebrew names have meaning. Here in America, news broadcasts always call foreign people by their original names in their own tongues. Sometimes names are contracted or shortened but it's shortened from it's own original tongue.

Psalm 68:4
Sing unto Elohim, sing praises to HIS NAME: (which name?) extol him that ride upon the heavens by his name YAH, and rejoice before him.

We see the name YAHUWAH (YHWH) shortened to Yah here in this passage. Even Yahshua is actually a shortened form of Yahoshua, Yahshua more than likely being the more popular rendering in the Hebrew/Aramaic time of Yahshua the Messiah.

Some people argue over the fact that there are many different translations of the rendering of Yahshua. (Yahshua, Yeshua, Yahoshua) The Hebrew language is a language that has evolved according to time and region. Much of today's Hebrew has been handed down by oral tradition. Case-in-point, many of the Israelites in Yahshua's day spoke an Aramaic Hebrew, which was a bit different from the Hebrew that Moses spoke. English is also a language that evolved. Not only was a new letter added to the English language in the 16th century (J) but rarely in American cities where English is the primary language do you find someone that speaks "the King's English." Some people in England speak "the King's English" but even in England there are variant styles/dialects.

Even in the original 1611 KJV, which included the Apocrypha, no letter "J" in Iesus, (Jesus), you find a harder-to-read version of the Bible for those of us not familiar with 17th century English as we saw in the earlier example. Now with these examples of an evolving language, not withstanding, let's take a look at the name Yahshua yet again. We read clearly how it was translated to Joshua in the English, but even in the Bible we can see variations of THAT name.

Numbers 13:16
These are the names of the men which Moses sent to spy out the land. And Moses called OSHEA the son of Nun YAHOSHUA.

When you look up the name Jesus in most reference books it states along with the pronunciation (je' zus), that the name is Greek for "savior". Hmmm.....Two questions. What's missing in this name? Whose salvation does the name allude to? Hmmmmm...... Another interesting point is that, as mentioned earlier, Jesus is a GREEK name, NOT English. How many people do you know that spoke only English for the first thirteen years of their life, are named Jesus? How many of that same classification of people that you know are named Joshua? Many are named Joshua because Joshua is a common English name. How many people, of the Latin persuasion, are named "Jesus" ...pronounced (Hey-Zeus)? Again, quite a few Latinos are named Jesus. All of these points are something to really consider.

When we praise YAHUWAH, Yah and Yahshua, we proclaim the name of the Elohim of Israel. Yah is found in many of the prophets and kings names like Isaiah, Zechariah, Jeremiah, and Elijah. Also, in the praise, Hallelujah. Now...if your English translated Bible is written entirely in English, then why in the Old Testament you see Jeremiah, Isaiah, and Zechariah, but in the New Testament, you have Jeremy, Esaias, and Zecharias? The Greeks clearly took the name of Yah out of these prophets' names. Another "coincidence?"

"God" is actually NOT a name but is a type of a being just like "man" or "angel." Somewhere along the line, the "Jewish" people thought it was superstitious to say the name of Elohim so they invented variations of the name. This is part of the reason why the El of Israel's name is not in most versions of the New Testament, which was primarily translated from the Greek. Today, you find the same group of people that addresses the Messiah as "Yeshua," also writes God as "G-d." As stated earlier, "God" is not a name, so if these people are prohibited from spelling "G-o-d," then you can understand why they don't say/print the true name of the Elohim of Israel. Yah/YAHUWAH would also not be spoken or written. The Greeks, in all actuality, COULD have preserved the original form of the names.

Let's take a closer look at the way the heathen changes names to reflect them. YAHUWAH blessed Joseph to be an interpreter of dreams. Having been taken captive in Egypt, Yah allows Joseph to interpret Pharaohs dream, and in turn, Pharaoh makes him a vice-ruler in Egypt. In this blessing, Pharaoh bestows on Joseph, the wise Israelite, a name of an Egyptian deity.

Genesis 41:41-43
And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, See, I have set thee over All the land of Egypt.
And Pharaoh took off the ring from his hand, and put it upon Joseph's hand, and arrayed him in vestures of fine linen, and put a gold chain about his neck;
And he made him to ride in the second chariot which he had; and they cried before him, Bow the knee: and he made him ruler over all the land of Egypt.And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, I am Pharaoh, and without thee shall no man lift up his hand or foot in all the land of Egypt.

And Pharaoh called Joseph's name ZAPH'-NATH-PA-A-NE'-AH; and he gave him to wife Asenath the daughter of Potipherah priest of On. And Joseph went out over all the land of Egypt.

This is the beginning of a vicious cycle of the heathens taking wise Israelites and replacing their names with names that reflect their heathen deities.

Daniel 1:6-7
[I]
Now among these were of the children of Judah, Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah[/I

Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah, are three Hebrews chosen to be raised up in the king's house. Hananiah means "Yah has shown favor." Mishael, or Michael, means "Who is like unto Elohim." Azariah means "Yah has helped." The Babylonians changed their names to reflect their deities.

Unto whom the prince of the eunuchs gave names: for he gave unto Daniel the name of Belteshazzar; ("Bel's Prince") and to Hananiah, of Shadrach; ("Illuminated by the Sun") and to Mishael, of Meshach; ("Who is like Shach?") and to Azariah, of Abednego. (The Servant of Nego)

Daniel 4:8
But at the last Daniel came in before me, whose name was Belteshazzar, ACCORDING TO THE NAME OF MY GOD, and in whom is the spirit of the holy gods: and before him I told the dream, saying, O Belteshazzar, master of the magicians, because I know that the spirit of the holy gods is in thee, and no secret troubleth thee, tell me the visions of my dream that I have seen, and the interpretation thereof.

Even the Hebrew names of Paul and Barnabas were not enough for the heathens who were compelled to call these two Hebrews by their deities.

Acts 14:11-15
And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men.
And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker. Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people.

Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out, And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living Elohim, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:

As was stated before, the Greeks COULD have wrote the Hebraic names in their translations. They didn't primarily, not because it was a matter of language, but a matter of worshipping their same deities while using the Hebrew scriptures. Hellenizing the truth! Also note that "Esther" is also a Babylonian goddess (Ishtar) that was given to the Hebrew maiden whose name was really Haddassah.

Esther 2:5-7
Now in Shushan the palace there was a certain Jew, whose name was Mordecai, the son of Jair, the son of Shimei, the son of Kish, a Benjamite;
Who had been carried away from Jerusalem with the captivity which had been carried away with Jeconiah king of Judah, whom Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon had carried away.
And he brought up HADASSAH, that is, ESTHER, his uncle's daughter: for she had neither father nor mother, and the maid was fair and beautiful; whom Mordecai, when her father and mother were dead, took for his own daughter.

How many witnesses do you need to understand that the Gentiles were NOT going to allow the Israelites to continue to bare the name, and give glory to YAH with their names, BUT give them names reflecting their deities?!

Not only was the name Yahshua reduced to the Greek deity Zeus by the name Jesus, but the translators also did not want people to know or use YHWH (YAHUWAH). Every where you read "LORD God" in the Bible, it was actually "YAHUWAH Elohim" The "LORD God" is not a name. By putting the correct name in the scriptures, the scriptures come alive. Notice:

Exodus 20: 1-2, 7

And God spake all these words, saying, I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

Question! Who is "the" LORD thy God?" Who is "the" man upstairs? What is the NAME of "the" LORD thy God that we are commanded to not take his name, whatever name that is, in vain?

Exodus 20: 1-2, 7
And Elohim spake all these words, saying,
I am YAHUWAH thy Elohim, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Thou shalt not take the name of YAHUWAH thy Elohim in vain; for YAHUWAH will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.


Now tell me that you didn't glean a greater understanding of that passage using the Father's name instead of "the LORD God". Here's another one for you to peep.

Jeremiah 23:1-2, 27
Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith YAHUWAH.
Therefore thus saith YAHUWAH Elohim of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith YAHUWAH.

Which think to cause my people to FORGET MY NAME by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their fathers have forgotten my name for Baal.

What was the name that the people of forgotten? YHWH (YAHUWAH) is the name. Many Bibles, and other religious sources, reveal that "the LORD" that you see in Bibles were put in place of the tetragrammaton YHWH, which in ENGLISH is YAHUWAH, which was further mistransliterated as Jehovah.

Also, many references show that "LORD" is actually translated from BA'AL. The Greeks and the Romans have historically, tried to erase all semblances of ethnic culture that was contrary to their own. The same reason the Sphinx's facial features were blown off is the same reasons why the names of most of the Hebrews that are mentioned in the New Testament were given European titles. Mary, Peter, John, and Paul . . . could you imagine a "pope" called Hezekiah? Have you ever heard of the Virgin Miriam? YAHUWAH asks

Jeremiah 2:11
Hath a nation changed their gods, which are yet no gods? but my people have changed their glory for that which doth not profit.

Think about that.

The unfortunate bottom line is... no. The nations have NOT changed their "gods." The same Zeus (pale-faced, blue-eyed Jesus! Remember... "Raw and Uncut!) that the pagans worshipped, the same Ba'al (LORD) that the Canaanites worshipped, along with the pagan rituals of sun worship, saviors birthday worship... Mithra, Zeus/Jesus, (Christmas) Fard Muhammad (Nation of Islam's Savior's Day), Fertility worship, Easter, Astarte, Ishtar (Easter eggs and bunny rabbits) ARE (WHE-E-E-WW!!!� �"deep breath"..) the same deities that these religious organizations have been deceived by Satan to practice in these last days, separating us from YAHUWAH, the creator of heaven and earth.

If the name "YAHUWAH or Yahshua" offends you, I apologize for that. You are not the first, nor shall you be the last to be "offended by his namesake." This is a serious study that I wanted to share and quite frankly, if you can appreciate the truth that was presented thus far then, you will definitely appreciate what's coming next. In the meantime, I pray that Yah bless you with the desire to want the fruits of the Spirit so that you may see the Gospel of Yahshua. Peace

[veritas]

By my account the burden of proof is on you sayong thay the rapture aolint biblical. I asked three questions which yiu could not amswer with scriptures pertaining to the topic amd you neglected the tjird question


In your long brewkdown the first sentence said that the day of the lord is at the first trumpet of the trumpet judgements.....

My advice to you is study more amd stop trying to be enlightened and diff.

I await your amswers

[Coup]

The burden is on you because the rapture doctrine is not in scriptures. I've been looking for it. You use one verse of a letter to show this...that is a joke, right ? This letter is not addresed to you. You have to know what Paul was talking about in a historical context. Paul did not teach contrary to the scriptures (so called OT)...your understanding is not there yet, I say this respectuflly.

You gave one verse out one letter ? What about the totality of scripture ?

I am not trying to be enlightening, but trying to be THE LIGHT to show you the truth. This is my passion, to serve the creator in SPIRIT and in TRUTH.

I'm not a hipster douche bag lol

I will put together an understanding when time allows.

[namix]

its just drugs bro
im not sure when or where you started - but the end goal should be the same. stop.

Can you please:
1. link US to your DOPEST VERSE EVER, and subsequently:
2. expound on the fact that you live 20 minutes from me, and yet root for the Baltimore Ravens.

at this juncture --- I am clearly far more interested in making fun of your "dopest writing ever" (and/or the fact that you don't have anything DOPE to show for your YEARS of text battling)...

Have you ever written anything?? Or do you just sit around at the local coffee tavern in canton waiting for something exciting to happen, around you?

Apologies if this came off harsh --- but I remember your name from PR as someone who talks shit but has never posted ANYTHING meaningful -- and possibly, has never posted anything.


Looking forward to your response, and you're propensity to say something and do less.

the only thing LAMER than me rocking the wonderful world of "text" for a decade is dudes like you, who been around to witness it but not experience it for themselves.


I want to mix your throat into my veal sweetbreads. Tell me when and where, and I will probably come at my leisure with nothing but a few jokes and an appetite.


Again, LINK US TO YOUR DOPEST SHIT EVER, uh-oh!!!! I'm very, very, excited to see what you have to offer, since you been reading my shit for a decade and I still have not been blessed with the opportunity to return the favor.

[Urban Dialect]

when Enoch was taken up before the people, i bet it blew their mindz
scripture say 2 have gone up already

[veritas]

Not to mention the 144000. Smh.

Paul was taljing to the church dude. He saidnwe we not appointed to wrath. What wrath was he talking about? The bible says that some shall not sleep meaning die....who is not going to die? Finally it says that someone has to be removed so that the antichrist can come....who is it?

I am asking simple question while your walls of text act like pauls letters aint in the bible. And that the day of the lord is at the first trumpet judgement.

Here is the truth. This rabbi has indoctrinated you amd you are strongly deluded. You are now pushing an agenda at the expense of the trith of GODs Word.

[Coup]

you right, I'll stop posting the wall of texts (I hope you read them though) and talk plain.

the 144,000 are out the tribe of Israel, 12,000 out each 12 tribe. 12x12 = 144 (Rev 7:4-5)

if your fore fathers are not from these tribes, and your seed not from them, then this does not apply to you, or me.

but, Rev 7:9 speaks of you and me and all the nations.

the wrath he talking about is escaping the wrath of the plagues, making it to the wilderness of safety, while it goes down to some degree....and of course making it into the kingdom.

Read Matthew 24:29 and it matches exactly with Rev 6:12

read rev 21...it speaks of the kingdom coming down from heaven.

[veritas]

Lol so a rapture is in the scriptures just of the 144000 then right?

[Coup]

ha, no...why you say that ? (there is no rapture.)

do you know why these 144 are called out ? I do...I want to see if you do

[veritas]

Dude.....one minute they are on earth then the bible says they are up in heaven. Never said they died.


So who does not die?
Also since u agree that the wrath we are not appointed to is the tribulation period.....where are the people who are not appointed to it if there is no rapture?

Lastly who has to be taken out before the antichrist can come?

[Coup]

I speak plain for two post and you get an attitude....I may go back to being smart here again...lol I'm just joking man.

Lastly who has to be taken out before the antichrist can come?

I have asked you two times already to expound on this question so I may understand it and answer you....can ya ?


where are the people who are not appointed to it if there is no rapture?

Two witness will go out form the great city...The prophets speak of this and does revelation. They will be a witness against them. Some will humble down and obey YAH some will not...

The people who have the seal of the book called life are going to be taken to the wilderness a second time (the first was Egypt)...the prophets clearly spoke on this, so does revelation...the people not appointed to the wrath of the trumpets sounds, signifying the plagues after the seals be opened (they are opening now slowly) will be seal in the wilderness, re-learning the Way...so we all be on one accord.

If you me, and whom ever are found worthy to be in the kingdom, it is us who will rule the earth during the clean up....to prepare the way for when the Father dwells among us. Yahshua get's his Father Dawids throne. David was not his father, but genetically YAH put his seed in the womb of Mary...

Here is a verse realery taught to you, among many many other things....

Luke 1 30:33
And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with Elohim (God).

31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name YAHSHUA.

32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and Yah Elohim shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.


we are waiting for this to happen......The House of Yacob is the children of Ysrael...they are the chruch...you can be Israel if you obey too. the kingdom is on earth.

[veritas]

Please answer the questions

[veritas]

I will expound uoon the first question when I get to the office.

[Coup]

thanks...Tbh, I don't know what you mean...nothing tricky or sly up my sleeve. i'm interested in what you have to say...

I answered the questions. YAH will delver us a second time to the wilderness....(Israel) as it is written in scripture...it will surly come to pass. I'm working on a simple study for you.

[veritas]

dude i do not doubt that he will prepare a place for isreal in the land of edom and moab...

BUT THAT AINT WHAT WE TALKING ABOUT!

[Urban Dialect]

i wish to go into the wilderness with the bride of Christ and be nourished for a time
i would like to be ministered to by Jesus
taught the truth, then come back and declare it unto the people..
we are like little children nourished up on serpent milk, fed nothing but lies since birth
they say we have a convent with death that can't be broken and all roads lead to it
but there are rumors of another covenant, one with life, what do i have to do to live here?
Isaiah 49:20
The children which thou shalt have, after thou hast lost the other, shall say again in
thine ears, The place is too strait for me: give place to me that I may dwell.

[Coup]

my brother, you asked me what will happen to those who be found in the book of life if there be no rapture...I told you.

Please give me your full attention and do not respond until you have read prayerfully with comprehension.

Remember if you are seeking the Creator you are my brother...let's treat each other as such and sharpen one another.


Here is a simple study on the wilderness to come, to escape the wrath. We are not going to christian heaven in outer space. That is a lie of the devil, the father of all lies.

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For those who are unfamiliar with the Rapture Doctrine, I will briefly explain.

The Great Tribulation is the 3½-year period during which time the man of sin will reign over the sons of Adam. Scripture says it will be the worst time in the history of man, that major trouble and chaos will take place on Earth. Christians believe they will not endure this because their god Jesus will rapture them to heaven, rescuing them from all the chaos on Earth and protecting them from the Anti-Messiah. Our lesson will show that is a false teaching.

Let us revisit those Scriptures that speak about the war and what the wilderness is.

(NOTE: For purposes of this lesson, "Israel" here includes the physical seed along with the redeemed Gentiles who will join themselves unto Israel and become Israelites. (EZEKIEL 47:20-23))

Lets start in the Book of Revelation chapter 12:

Revelation 12:13
And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
(The Man-child is Yahoshua the Messiah; the woman represents the nation of Israel.)

14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of YAH, and have the testimony of Yahshuah Messiah.

In verse 14 we see mention of the wilderness. It is described as being a place of nourishment for those Israelites who escape Satan’s wrath against them. The wilderness will be the place of safety for Israel during the great tribulation. After Satan is cast to the Earth realm forever (Satan is still in heaven, he is not in some place called "hell"), he will come to earth and persecute Israel; this will be the beginning of his war against us. Yah will take Israel into the wilderness and protect us from Satan’s wrath. Notice it does not say anything about flying into heaven; it says Israel shall be nourished in this wilderness. The book of Isaiah tells us what this nourishment will be. Let us go to Isaiah (YisaYah) 35:

35:1 The wilderness and the solitary place shall be glad for them; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose.

He says the wilderness shall be glad for them, "them" being those who have escaped Satan’s war and fled into the wilderness. This is the same wilderness and same time period mention in Revelation 12:

2 It shall blossom abundantly, and rejoice even with joy and singing: the glory of Lebanon shall be given unto it, the excellency of Carmel and Sharon, they shall see the power of Yah, and the excellency of our Mighty One.

3 Strengthen ye the weak hands, and confirm the feeble knees.

4 Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your Mighty One will come with vengeance, even Yah with a recompense; he will come and save you.
They have a fearful heart because they have escaped Satan, but YisaYah (Isaiah) mentions that Yah will come with vengeance and will save those in the wilderness. This is speaking about the time following the great tribulation when the Messiah Yahoshua returns to regather Israel and pay back the world for all its wickedness.


5 Then the eyes of the blind shall be opened, and the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped.

6 Then shall the lame man leap as an hart, and the tongue of the dumb sing: for in the wilderness shall waters break out, and streams in the desert.
We know the wilderness will be in the desert, and streams of water will break out and the people will rejoice. Take note of the description of the wilderness; a greater understanding of this is still to be had.

7 And the parched ground shall become a pool, and the thirsty land springs of water: in the habitation of dragons, where each lay, shall be grass with reeds and rushes.

8 And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it shall be called The way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass over it; but it shall be for those: the wayfaring men, though fools, shall not err therein.

9 No lion shall be there, nor any ravenous beast shall go up thereon, it shall not be found there; but the redeemed shall walk there:
YisaYah just told us what the nourishment mentioned in Rev. 12 shall be: There will be water and vegetation in the midst of the wilderness. The people will be rejoicing, not starving or dying of thirst. Yah will provide for our people.

10 And the ransomed of Yah shall return, and come to Zion with songs and everlasting joy upon their heads: they shall obtain joy and gladness, and sorrow and sighing shall flee away.

"The Ransomed of Yah." HalleluYah! It says we shall come into Zion with songs and everlasting joy. After we leave the wilderness, we will come into the land of Israel, which means Yahoshua has returned and led us to victory.

Doesn’t that sound familiar? We escape the wrath of the enemy; Yah brings us into the wilderness and nourishes us; and then He leads us into the land of Israel. Oh, yes, this has happen before – our return to the land of Promise will be very similar to our exodus from Egypt. Yah is great.

In Deuteronomy 28:68 Yah says He will send us back into Egypt this time in ships. We understand this is speaking about the transatlantic slave trade, when Israel as a people were transported to the west and other countries just as prophecy said. By going into Egypt again, Yah will bring us out of Egypt again in the same fashion.

Deuteronomy 28:68 And Yah shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you.

Just as He led our people out of Egypt and into the wilderness to save them from the wrath of the enemy, He will lead us and save us this time around.

In our exodus from Egypt, Yah sent his two witnesses to Pharaoh (Aaron and Moses). Likewise, He will send two witnesses to the man of sin (Rev 11). Now get this Israel entered the land as a conquering army under a General by the name of Yahoshua. Israel will re-enter the land as an army under another Israelite by the Name of Yahoshua. HALLEUYAH!

Another aspect about the wilderness that we need to understand is that Yah will NOT ONLY USE THE WILDERNESS AS A PLACE OF SAFETY FOR ISRAEL, BUT HE WILL ALSO use the wilderness to cleanse Israel. He did this when our people were in the wilderness the first time, and He will do it again. No sinner will enter the land of Israel; they will all die in the wilderness. Let’s go to the book of Ezekiel (Yahzeqyl) 20, where we get more info about the wilderness.

Ezekiel 20:35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.

Once again we see Israel will be in the wilderness with Yah, He said He would plead with us face to face.

36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith Yah.

HalleluYah. Yah, Himself, is making the comparison of us in the wilderness with the wilderness our fathers’ experience. He said He will plead with us just as He did with them.

37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:

38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am YAH.

Yah will bring us into the bond of the covenant. Remember YisaYah (Isaiah) said Israel will be joyful during this time. He also said in verse 8 of Chapter 35:

8 And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it shall be called The way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass over it; but it shall be for those: the wayfaring men, though fools, shall not err therein.

The unclean, or the unbelievers – those who will murmur against Yah – will die in the wilderness, just as our fathers did.

The wilderness, Brothers and Sisters, is the place of safety for Israel during the 3½-year rule and war of Satan against Israel. No man will be taken into heaven to be protected; the protection will take place on Earth in the wilderness.

Those of you who know me personally and those who have read my articles are likely aware that The Matrix is my all-time favorite movie. So I must make mention that the concept of the wilderness was in the movie The Matrix. The people of the underground city called "Zion" were the people of the wilderness. They were in the place of refuge. It was no coincidence that the place of safety was called "ZION" or that the majority of its residents were "Black" (Israelite) people. As in The Matrix, there were some who were not in the wilderness, or place of safety. They were left behind to teach, or "unplug" the rest of the sons of Adam. Not all Israel will make it into the wilderness. Some will be "left behind" to teach and free the minds of those caught up in the satanic system. Lets go back to the Book of Revelation Chapter 12 verse 17:

17
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of YAH, and have the testimony of Yahshuah Messiah.

(Remember that "the woman" in Revelation 12 represents the true Hebrew Nation of Israel.) After Yah has brought the majority of Israel into the wilderness and Satan cannot touch them, he will become irate and will make war with the remnant of Israel that does not make the wilderness. However, notice this that he will make war with the ones who keep the commandments of Yah and have the testimony of Yahoshua the Messiah. These people are the ones we call and know to be "Messianic Hebrew-Israelites" – you and me. Those who know to keep Torah (instructions/laws) and know Yahoshua is Messiah are those who "have the testimony of Yahoshua." The word "testimony" is 3141 in Strong’s concordance, it’s the Greek word mar-too-ree-ah and means ‘EVIDENCE GIVEN; A WITNESS. The testimony of Yahoshua is those who will testify in the face of the adversary that YAHOSHUA IS HAMOSHEAKH (The Messiah). These will experience Satan’s wrath. The book of Daniel (Dani’yl) gives us more details about this period:

11:32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their Mighty One shall be strong, and do exploits.


33 And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.


34 Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.

35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.

This group of those left behind to instruct was represented in The Matrix in the characters of Morpheus, Neo, Trinity, Tank, Dosier, etc.

The wilderness is a real place (not a condition or a state of mind) Yah has preserved for our safety during the time of tribulation. In the wilderness we will be cleansed, just as our forefathers were cleansed in the wilderness of Egypt.

Revelation 12:17 and Daniel 11:32-35 are speaking about the same period.

Satan will make war with those who do not make it to the wilderness, angry because he cannot get to the ones in the wilderness.

Scripture does not state the exact location of the wilderness; but I believe it will consist of many places as together we make our track back to the land of Israel.

Our forefathers wandered in the wilderness for 40 years; they were all over the place. Our time in the wilderness will be for three ½ years. I believe our wilderness time for us in the Americas will be the exact same route we took to get here. I believe we will return through the west coast of Africa, picking up our brothers and sisters along the way, through central Africa, through East Africa, through the exact same wilderness in which our forefathers wandered, and, finally, to the land of Israel. A mighty righteous army marching over Jordan! HALLELUYAH! YAHOSHUA TELLS THOSE IN YAHUDAH, SOUTHERN ISRAEL, TO ESCAPE INTO THE MOUNTAINS. MANY BELIEVE THE WILDERNESS WILL BE SOMEWHERE NEAR THE LAND OF ISRAEL.

MATTHEW 24:15
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

When the time comes, we will know when and where to go. Remember, Yah is our Guide.

To recap:

• The time between which the Man of Sin proclaims to be the greatest God and the time of Yahoshua’s return will be 3½ years.

• The wilderness is the place of safety and nourishment established by Yah to protect Israel from Satan during that 3-½ year period.

• The wilderness is a physical place located on Earth; it is not a state of mind or the rapture.

• Our retreat into the wilderness will be like the wilderness period in the days of Moshe.

• Yah will utilize our time in the wilderness to cleanse us and purge those who refuse to accept (the rebels).

• Subsequent to our wilderness period, Israel will be brought into the land of Israel and restored to a sovereign nation under Yah.

• Those who do not make it into the wilderness will be left behind to teach the people and will suffer the full blow of Satan’s anger. (These are they who will be beheaded for the testimony of Yahoshua and for keeping the Laws of Yah.)

Read this lesson along with last week’s ("The Mark of the Beast & the War Against the Saints") to help increase your understanding of this time soon to come. We are quickly coming to the days that were foretold so long ago.



There you have it my brother. I hope this lesson has been a blessing for you as it has been for me.


Stop. Go read family. In the name of Yahshua Messiyah.

[veritas]

Pause. you said the tribulation is a 3 1/2 period...i say it is 7 years or 2520 days based upon jewish prophetic calender.

you err in Daniel's 70 weeks prophecy
you forget that the antichrist signs the treaty for 7 years


you err in being able to rightly divide the scriptures.

you can not use the existance of one thing to disprove the existance of another.

i.e. the existance of the wilderness prepared to hide isreal does not negate the rapture

i.e. the existance of the day of the lord does not negate the rapture.

now:

I want you to understand this, then I will make another post of pure exegesis which refutes your claim as it provides a question you cannot answer with scrip....and if you aint got scrip...all you got is lip.

[veritas]

Understanding the Bible is simple if we just let it say what it says and do not put our own agendas into it.



a question Coup cannot answer


1 THESSALONIANS CHP 2

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

this clearly says that before the day of the Lord returning the man of sin must be revealed.


4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

Here is the question: who is the HE that has to be taken out of the way?

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

after this "he" is taken out of the way, THEN THE ANTICHRIST IS REVEALED...

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

THIS VERSE SHOWS IT IS THE ANTICHRIST THAT THEY ARE DESCRIBING AS "THAT WICKED"


QUESTION:

WHO IS IT THAT IS THE HE WHO NEEDS TO BE TAKEN OUT OF THE WAY BEFORE THE ANTICHRIST CAN COME?

[veritas]

• The time between which the Man of Sin proclaims to be the greatest God and the time of Yahoshua’s return will be 3½ years.


SO FROM WHEN THE ANTICHRIST FIRST COMES ON THE SCENE AND SIGNS A 7 YEAR TREATY AND ALL THAT HORRBILE STUFF IS HAPPENING UNTIL THE ABOMINATION THAT CAUSES DESOLATION...APPROX 1260 DAYS OR 3 1/2 YEARS.....WHAT WOULD YOU CALL THAT? IF IT AINT PART OF THE TRIBULATION PERIOD? IS IT NOT THE WRATH OF THE LAMB???

[CymbiCort]

-Farts-

[Coup]

Pause. you said the tribulation is a 3 1/2 period...i say it is 7 years or 2520 days based upon jewish prophetic calender.

you err in Daniel's 70 weeks prophecy
you forget that the antichrist signs the treaty for 7 years


you err in being able to rightly divide the scriptures.

you can not use the existance of one thing to disprove the existance of another.

i.e. the existance of the wilderness prepared to hide isreal does not negate the rapture

i.e. the existance of the day of the lord does not negate the rapture.

now:

I want you to understand this, then I will make another post of pure exegesis which refutes your claim as it provides a question you cannot answer with scrip....and if you aint got scrip...all you got is lip.

that "jew" calendar is tradition by the Gentliles they are...Scriptures don't need heavthen tampering...they done enough. Those jewish converts in the land today are imposters. They don't know scripture...they put their tradition in it. You should read the scripts how they are written.

Israel is the "church"...Elohim made a covenant with Israel, not Christianity. Either join the covenant or suffer at the deception of Satan.

The day of the "LORD" is the day YAHUWAH....When it reads that in the Letter, it orginally says YAHUWAH, or means that. Not "Jesus"


1 THESSALONIANS CHP 2

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;


this clearly says that before the day of the Lord returning the man of sin must be revealed.


I have no issue with this...

Nor this...


4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

Here is the question: who is the HE that has to be taken out of the way?

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

after this "he" is taken out of the way, THEN THE ANTICHRIST IS REVEALED...

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

THIS VERSE SHOWS IT IS THE ANTICHRIST THAT THEY ARE DESCRIBING AS "THAT WICKED"


There is no rapture.

Israel and the Gentiles are not dealt with using two law or methods. Yah deals with all the same. "One law between the natural born and the stranger"


Israel the natural seed, are not going to the wilderness then all the other people who be found worhty going up to the sky...don't work like that.


Point is...there is no rapture. Read the lesson with understanding.

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LOOK KIDS! COUP STILL HAS NOT ANSWERED THE QUESTION

DUDE THE JEWS ARE BLINDED RIGHT NOW BRO.....AND IT WILL TAKE THE ANTICHRIST SITTING IN TEH HOLY OF HOLIES TO SAY THAT HE IS GOD FOR THIER EYES TO BE OPENED.

SOUNDS LIKE TO ME YOU ARE TRYING TO MINGLE JEWDOM AND CHRISTIANITY. GOOD LUCK WITH THAT!

PLEASE ANSWER MY QUESTIONS.

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DUDE ISREAL IS GOING TO THE WILDERNESS TO HIDE DURING THE END OF THE TRIBULATION PERIOD AND THEN THE BATTLE OF ARMEGEDDON WHEN JESUS COMES BACK WTIH THE SAINTS....THE WILDERNESS IS NOT THE MILLENIAL REIGN....THAT IS THE NEW JERUSALEM.....THE BIBLE IS CLEAR ON THAT. CMON MAN.

YOU ARE MAKING A MESS OF THE BIBLE. PLEASE STOP. FOLLOW ANOTHER RABBI.

[Coup]

why look kids ? are you trying to get rep for your ignorance ? This is about your pride ?

what a joke...


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here is understanding on Dainel and the times...give ear.

Revelation 12, Isaiah 26:16-21, Isaiah 66:5-24.

then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel.
And he shall stand and feed in the strength of Yahuwah, in the majesty of the NAME OF Yahuwah his Elohim; and they shall abide: for NOW shall he be great unto the ends of the earth.

Now we see that not only was Yahshua was SUPPOSED to die, but he also had to GIVE ISRAEL UP until the time appointed. Now let's see another prophecy concerning the Messiah. These prophecies are VERY important for understanding EXACTLY what Yahshua came to do when he came in the flesh.

Daniel 9:24-27

Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon his holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sins, AND TO MAKE RECONCILIATION FOR INIQUITY, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto Messiah the Prince shall be SEVEN weeks, and THREESCORE AND TWO WEEKS:

This commandment to go forth and rebuild Jerusalem came in around 457 B.C. and you can read about this in the books of EZRA and NEHEMIAH.

1 week = 7 years, therefore 7 weeks = 49 years. It took 49 years to rebuild Jerusalem.

the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

This 49 years of rebuilding Jerusalem is your 7 weeks.

And after THREESCORE AND TWO WEEKS shall MESSIAH BE CUT OFF, BUT NOT FOR HIMSELF:

This is 62 weeks or 434 years AFTER Jerusalem and the temple is rebuilt.

and the people of the prince that shall come shall DESTROY THE CITY AND THE SANCTUARY: and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war DESOLATIONS ARE DETERMINED.

After Yahshua was cut off, Jerusalem and the temple would be, and WAS, destroyed, and ALL the desolations that was prophesied to befall Israel FELL ON THEM. Read Jeremiah 15 to see what these desolations would be.

And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:...

This is the covenant that had been prophesied about in Jeremiah 31.

...and in the MIDST of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease.

This is a two-fold prophecy. Yahshua "confirming the covenant to Israel" was his ministry which was a seven year ministry, but he was cut off in the midst of the week. He completed the first three and a half years of the ministry. When he was cut off in the midst of the week, the sacrifices and the oblations (THIS LAW) ceased. Also he was cut off literally in the midst of a week. A Wednesday evening. And he was in the heart of the earth (Matthew 12:39-40) for three days and three nights.

and for the overspreading of abominations HE shall make it desolate...

Yahshua prophesied concerning the Romans coming and destroying Jerusalem and the temple, and bringing about the desolations of Israel.

Luke 21:5-6, 20, 23-24

And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,
As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another which shall not be thrown down...
...And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolations thereof is nigh...
...for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon THIS people. And they shall fall by the edge of the SWORD, and shall be led away captive into ALL NATIONS: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

The Romans fulfilled this in 70 AD

You can read how Yahshua had to flee from those who would make him a king, (John 6:14-15), and how even the disciples didn't understand that it was not time for the kingdom of God to come, but instead, it was time for the Messiah to die for the people. (Matthew 16:20-23, Acts 1:6)

[Coup]

before the scriptures cut you more and expose your ignorance for all viewing this thread...go back carefully and learn, before you fall again.

because if you took the time to study and read the scriptures provided here, you would not have these questions.

I also note that you cannot put a study together, line upon line, precept upon precept like the Most High instructs us to do to establish all truths by 2 or 3 witness. ALl you got is what your pastor says and lies, and maybe a popular verse to show Satan's lies...

Just saying fam.

[Rojo187]

Understanding the Bible is simple if we just let it say what it says and do not put our own agendas into it.



a question Coup cannot answer


1 THESSALONIANS CHP 2

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

this clearly says that before the day of the Lord returning the man of sin must be revealed.


4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

Here is the question: who is the HE that has to be taken out of the way?

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

after this "he" is taken out of the way, THEN THE ANTICHRIST IS REVEALED...

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

THIS VERSE SHOWS IT IS THE ANTICHRIST THAT THEY ARE DESCRIBING AS "THAT WICKED"


QUESTION:

WHO IS IT THAT IS THE HE WHO NEEDS TO BE TAKEN OUT OF THE WAY BEFORE THE ANTICHRIST CAN COME?


boy your reading that wrong...that is the same person...the world won't know that he is wicked until it's too late...hence that wicked revealed...

not a different person...

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so that antichrist signs a 7 year treaty with isreal and muslims....is he not the antichrist until halfway?

smh....yall are blind.

WHat happens is at the halfway point a demon is loosed from the Abyss and he goes super saiyan (but super evil-aiyan)

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coup: if the tribulatin period is only 3 1/2 years....please give me a time line for how all the judgements fit then sir?

please answer my questions also.

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boy your reading that wrong...that is the same person...the world won't know that he is wicked until it's too late...hence that wicked revealed...

not a different person...

dude...that aint even the point....someone has to be taken out before he can be revealed.....who is that?

[Rojo187]

yes but the whole world gotta Fucking fall in love with him first...only way he's gonna get to wield all that power is by deceiving the world...so of course it's gonna be a gradual descent into chaos...

use your brain man

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dude./....the world is ready right now...it is the Christians who are holding him back...once they are gone it is only idiots and wicked and abominable people who will gladly accept him.

think about it.....a great falling away has to happen....is that not happening now? even christians are full of crap....and I am the worst, admittingly.

[Coup]

Who said trib is only 3 1/2 years...you should slow down and humble your pride to consider that you may be wrong...otherwise you are being a typical ignorant christian, whom serve Satan unknowingly.

you should really humble down and read carefully....you do not know what you speak of.

[Rojo187]

nobody has to be taken out...wtf shyt ain't a movie...this ain't omen...he will rise no matter what cuz it was written he would

[Rojo187]

only God knows when that time is...and who's gonna stop Him from fufilling his word

[veritas]

Who said trib is only 3 1/2 years...you should slow down and humble your pride to consider that you may be wrong...otherwise you are being a typical ignorant christian, whom serve Satan unknowingly.

you should really humble down and read carefully....you do not know what you speak of.


wait for it....

[Coup]

waiting..

I will not engage you beyond this point unless you show that you have learned something..


Come back later in time...I cannot begin to shake your pagan mindset...I can only plant seeds of truth. YAHUWAH can only deliver you from the world religion that has deceived your heart and the WHOLE world.


It was good talking to you. Good luck in your studies...you'll get there. YOu got to humble down first. Believe me on that. I was just like you...and am still learning.

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The Great Tribulation is the 3½-year period during which time the man of sin will reign over the sons of Adam

YOU SAID THAT.

HOLLER. YOU ERR IN THE SCRIPTURES

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YOU ERR IN THE SCRIPTURES.

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YOU PROBABLY HAVE BEEN DECIEVED BY THIS RABBI YOU FOLLOW. OR THEIR IS A WICKED RELIGIOUS SPIRIT, TYPE PHARISEEIC TYPE SPIRIT INDWELLING IN YOU. YOU NEED TO BE BORN AGAIN.

YOU NEED TO STUDY THE BIBLE AND STOP THINKING THAT YOU HAVE SOME KIND OF SPECIAL KNOWLEDGE. THE BIBLE IS NOT FOR PERSONAL INTERPRETATION.

YOU ARE NOT ENDURING SOUND DOCTRINE.

YOU ALSO LEVIED BLASPHEMOUS CLAIMS AGAINST ME AND SLANDERED ME.

PSALMS 105:15 YOU WILL SURELY PAY FOR YOUR WILLFULL AGENDA FUELED IGNORANCE.

[Coup]

The Great Tribulation is the 3½-year period during which time the man of sin will reign over the sons of Adam

read this in context in all what you just learned...

This is about your sleeve...let me remind you of something. YAHUWAH is not impressed with any person and does not respect any persons...

I will not engage a babe still not drawn from the breats.....I'm not in this for my health.


ISAIAH 28:9
9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

WHO????

10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.

Meaning when he sent Israel to lands they knew not, to tounges they understood not. Even to this day.

12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

13 But the word of YAHUWAH was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.



Consider you have much to learn. Hope to see you at the time appointed.

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YOU ALSO NEVER ANSWERED ANY OF MY QUESTIONS, YOU JUST QUOTED SCRIPTURES PERTAINING TO OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE NOTING TO DO WITH WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.

LIKE CALLING THE DAY OF THE LORD THE RAPTURE...ONE IS A THIEF IN THE NIGHT, THE OTHER EVENT IS WHERE EVERY EYE SHALL BEHOLD HIM....TO LISTEN TO YOU WE HAVE TO DO AWAY WITH ONE OF THOSE SCRIPTURES...TO LISTEN TO ME MEANS WE CAN KEEP BOTH.

I KNOW THIS IS TOO MUCH FOR YOU. BUT THIS IS TRUTH...THIS IS VERITAS. JESUS CHRIST IS GOD MANIFEST IN THE FLESH. HE CAME IN THE FLESH. HE DIED FOR MY AND OUR OUR SINS. YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN.

GOOD DAY COUP. I WISH YOU WELL.

REMEMBER THE PROVERB: THERE IS A WAY WHICH SEEMS RIGHT UNTO A MAN, BUT THE END THEREOF IS DEATH.

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read this in context in all what you just learned...

This is about your sleeve...let me remind you of something. YAHUWAH is not impressed with any person and does not respect any persons...

I will not engage a babe still not drawn from the breats.....I'm not in this for my health.


DEAD AT YOU CALLING ME A BABE...YOU CANNOT ANSWER ANY OF MY QUESTIONS WITH SCRIPTURE....AND YOU RESORT TO NAME CALLING. TO DOWNPLAY ME...IT LOOKS LIKE YOU ARE THE ONE WHO MIGHT NEED TO TAKE YOUR OWN ADVICE BUSTER.


1. WHO IS NOT APPOINTED TO WRATH
2. WHEN DOES THE WRATH START
3. WHO SHALL NOT SLEEP
4. WHO WILL BE TAKEN OUT SO THAT THE MAN OF SIN CAN BE REVEALED?

YOU CANNOT ANSWER ANY OF THESE QUESTIONS BECAUSE YOU ARE WRONG SIR.

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HOW CAN JESUS COME BACK AS A THEIF IN THE NIGHT, BUT ALSO TO WHERE EVERY MAN CAN SEE HIM?

[veritas]

YOU ERR IN DANIELS 70 WEEKS PROPHECY ULTIMATLY.

[Coup]

VERITAS

I did not expound entirely Daniel, ...so you could not possibly know that. It's a deep book, I'm sure you appricate that and can understand. Instead of looking for fault, let's just drop this. It's unprofitable at this point.

Anyhow, I'm done. I don't usually like to engage in debates for this reason, it pits us against one another. TBH, I would rather get along...

The truth is this. Serve ye Yahuwah and I hope to see you at the time appointed. Keep this in perspective. If it's in the sky, so be it. I'll see you there.

Oh, you left me hanging man....you know what I mean.

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SIGHS......GOOD LUCK. DROP YOUR AGENDA.

[Coup]

No agenda promise. I follow no man.

I know what you mean though. I learned something here. Thanks.

[CymbiCort]

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[veritas]

DAWKINS IS A GRADE A FOOL.

SUP CORGI GUY?

[CymbiCort]

Corgi guy?