5 Things That Killed Hip Hop

[dassim]

1. Drake.

When a Half Jew Canadian actor is thought to be one of the realest emcees out there, shit has hit the fan. I prefer my artist to be a little honest.


2. Lil Wayne

He's a fag, and everybody is riding his dick for some odd reason I can't comprehend.

3. Mainstream rappers lost touch.

We spend thirteen years in school and four or more years getting a higher education only to find that the dream job we worked so hard for, doesn't even exist. So we find our selves in the streets, haunted by music that advocates a life we cannot grasp. Fuck you, I don't live in a dream.


4. Too much singing.


Forreal I hate auto tune.


5. The people that buy the bullshit created by these labels

Yeah, you created the demand for whack rappers youhomo!



End thread!!!

[Malachi]

Hip hop isnt dead faggot

[Otpeks]

Cool crossbow

[Undead.]

gimmics N fads.

[dassim]

Hip hop isnt dead faggot

Its beyond its peak. Hip hop sales have been in decline since 2000. Do that research

[dassim]

Cool crossbow

Thanks bro

[GKillaZ]

2Pac Dying, Biggie Dying, Big Pun Dying, Big L Dying, ODB Dying
there is a better 5 reasons

[dassim]

2Pac Dying, Biggie Dying, Big Pun Dying, Big L Dying, ODB Dying
there is a better 5 reasons


Tupac was a well rounded emcee. He made tracks about his life, he spoke out on political corruption and he was still able to make a track for the ladies without dumbing it down. Much respect to all these great artist

[Rawn M.D.]

lol GKillaZ that might b ur all time most valid post.

[Objective]

Its beyond its peak. Hip hop sales have been in decline since 2000. Do that research

So has music in general because of internet etc. Your point is invalid.

[Otpeks]

Lol ya its not that no one is listening to music its that no one pays for it anymore

[Ghost1]

Lol@autotune

Did u make this thread 5yrs ago an just now hit submit?

[TYSON]

Hip hop ain't dead. Good hip hop just isn't mainstream anymore.

[Fig]

Drake and wayne killed hip hop? I hope you get your dick caught in a jansport zipper

[Wise Wiggles]

Drake is cum sipper.

[Coup]

not a bad list...more peices to the puzzle tho

[TYSON]

Blaming it on the artist is stupid the listeners are the blame...

[Mike Wrecka]

its simple really. the demographic that buys the most music is teenage white girls. so that's every labels target audience. they push artists that will appeal to that market.

drake is a great example. a much more current one is macklemore. his music is friendly. mom and dad wont mind if their daughter downloads his stuff. they might feel differently about some MOP

[Inno]

private prisons killed hiphop

[Masaii]

Drake and wayne killed hip hop? I hope you get your dick caught in a jansport zipper

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ErWYxL5bT-o/UClHQntkI0I/AAAAAAAAAnY/u1PLPP4WusQ/s320/Lil-Wayne-Leopard-Skinny-Jeans.jpg

he wears tight skinned leopard pattern jeans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaG5SAw1n0c

[Fig]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ErWYxL5bT-o/UClHQntkI0I/AAAAAAAAAnY/u1PLPP4WusQ/s320/Lil-Wayne-Leopard-Skinny-Jeans.jpg

he wears tight skinned leopard pattern jeans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaG5SAw1n0c

I didn't say he wasn't gay, dudes gay as fuck, but the nigga didn't kill hip hop. I dont care how many times he traced cartoon dicks on a fogged window from inside Birdmans buggatti, he aint effecting the genre to the point he killed it. Even more so fore Drake.

[Rawn M.D.]

Alright I'm not really big fans of either, but I agree they didn't kill hip hop.. Cmb is no more crippling to hip hop than no limit or the original cash money
.. Which I listened to growing up.. So that's bs.

I'd say signing Drake was actually a genius move by Cmb tbh.. He's versatile, listenable, and females love him.. He'll always get thrown in radio rotation. Wayne is listenable as well, and what he lacks in versatility he makes up for in humor/whacked out sht, and he already has street cred from his past.. Although he may not have taken part in the majority of the sht, he's guilty by association bc imo BG is gangster as fuck, and I truly feel Wayne just built on his style n then diversified.

But to the point made above, I'm convinced that Baby molested Wayne since he was an adolescents n now Wayne has a gay version of Stockholm syndrome... And is most likely on the downlow..
But he can drop solid when he wants..(ex: I can't feel my face w juelz)

if ur going to blame the downfall of hip hop on anyone it should b levied on record executives and marketers (labels obv,) and the fans, more then any artist who are just playing the role they are told to play and the public wants to see..
Furthermore, blame it on technology... Sales r no longer a major source of income.. Mtv is nothing like it used to be, and face it rap concerts are rarely all that dope... Very few mcs/rappers can rock a stage with the energy to move a crowd (exception being like wu or red... Even snoop to an extent) but there's no instruments involved, and half the needed addlibs r done horribly. So instrumental musicians are more successful on that realm be it rock or Fuckin electronic. Just my thoughts..

I will say quality artists are few n far between tho, but I see the reasoning behind that being what I just said. Plus society has changed as well.

[Fig]

Lmao at baby molesting wayne

Could be

[Rawn M.D.]

Lol Figurative think about it tho. Baby basically Suge'd everyone in the original cash money. Why is he even still around? I mean doods barely relevant, and doesn't bring anything to the table ne more as far as I can see. I mean Waynes gotta have enough doe to back Cmb, and everyone knows that Baby slimey af... It's the only logical explanation, and it also explains their public 'closeness' as well. Moreover, Wayne was pretty much prime for the picking when Baby originally approached n made him..
And of everyone in the original cash money... Baby made Wayne.. The youngest. Shts suspect as hell

[Maximus]

I think the south killed hiphop, yes

[Witty]

White business men killed Hip Hop.

Like it or not, it's the truth.

[ill nik-A]

Faggots who made this thread and faggots who encourage it

Holler

[Fig]

I think the south killed hiphop, yes

This is also fucking stupid.

No

[ill nik-A]

Lol at the south killed hip hop... We influenced it faggot

2 live crew

Hollerrrrr

[Rawn M.D.]

Uncle Luke for Mayor.

[uh-oh]

brought the 808's in heavy

now its a staple

[Void]

I mostly agree with this list. Which is weird, because most people on this site are stupid.

Hip Hop isn't dead, though. So long as there's good music out there, it's still going. I think what you mean is the rarity of good music. Fads have been trending in the wrong direction for over a decade if you ask me. I remember when the underground got really popular, and everyone was kind of waiting for one of those 'true' emcees to break through to the mainstream and change what was generally perceived as good Hip Hop. Eminem got signed. Released SSLP, MMLP and then shortly after and during The Eminem Show turned into his version of a gangster rapper. Signed 50 Cent and gave traction to the shitty music movement. There will always be shitty rap music, but it's when that shitty music is given credibility that things seem hopeless.

Macklemore is good, popular Hip Hop.

[uh-oh]

50 cent was and is awesome man wtf?

macklemore? really????

[Rawn M.D.]

Old 50 was dope pot Dollar is a great cd

[Void]

It used to be pretty universally accepted that Ja Rule was garbage. DMX was third tier, if that. Lil Wayne would have been fringing on maybe decent. Wordplay has changed. IT hasn't changed, but what most people think of as clever wordplay isn't all that clever at all. Topics are shallow and poorly delivered. Pop Hip Hop is all about what sells. Those rappers selling the same crap reinforces that this is what people in Hip Hop should like. The masses are sheep. It takes someone with a bit of charisma and some taste to push things in the right direction, but most people with talent and a brain are too busy making money hand over fist to give a shit about the state of Hip Hop's quality.

[Void]

I said 50 Cent was awesome? No. Reading comprehension.

[Void]

Oh, ha, you're saying 50 Cent was and is awesome. My apologies. Your lack of proper punctuation makes it hard for people who aren't Rachel Jeantel to understand. No wonder you like 50 Cent. His subject matter perpetuates tried and true Hip Hop staples that appeal to the same crowd who like Lil Wayne. Taste palates and shit. I have an intellectual superiority complex, so I gravitate towards music that stimulates that. You're an idiot, so you gravitate towards them.

[ill nik-A]

I wish death on many of u

[Void]

I'm convinced that Baby molested Wayne since he was an adolescents n now Wayne has a gay version of Stockholm syndrome

lol

[Rawn M.D.]

Tell me that it don't make sense Void

[Rojo187]

It used to be pretty universally accepted that Ja Rule was garbage. DMX was third tier, if that. Lil Wayne would have been fringing on maybe decent. Wordplay has changed. IT hasn't changed, but what most people think of as clever wordplay isn't all that clever at all. Topics are shallow and poorly delivered. Pop Hip Hop is all about what sells. Those rappers selling the same crap reinforces that this is what people in Hip Hop should like. The masses are sheep. It takes someone with a bit of charisma and some taste to push things in the right direction, but most people with talent and a brain are too busy making money hand over fist to give a shit about the state of Hip Hop's quality.

dmx was third tier? FOH

whaaaaaaa....X was the biggest thing popping at his height...2 platinum records in one year...spearheaded the ruff Ryders...and rapped with what most artists lack nowadays and that's passion...

dudes be forgetting....smh....

[Rawn M.D.]

^^agreed; X was hype (not meant in the derogatory manner)

[Geno]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJPpx8vHoII&feature=youtube_gdata_player

I think joe budden summed it up the best with this epic ass 15 minute track

[Spoken]

Nuff said but I disagree on the hip hop is dead... It's just on recovery especially is you got dudes like waka flock and Wayne (just to name a few TBH)

[dassim]

Drake and wayne killed hip hop? I hope you get your dick caught in a jansport zipper

Faggots who made this thread and faggots who encourage it

Holler

30

[ill nik-A]

Wack

[Inno]

white people ruined hiphop.


quote me.

[dassim]

So has music in general because of internet etc. Your point is invalid.

Rap sales declined by 44 percent, we at the tipping point. Yes all Genres are losing sales but Hip Hop is declining the fastest

[Void]

lol @ DMX being good

lolololol @ your reasoning for that being that he was 'the biggest thing popping at his height'

Third tier. Average on his better tracks. Horrible on the majority of them.

My Hip Hop taste is better than yours.

[Void]

Sales. Pretty sure sales only represent what people are spending money on. Equity decides Hip Hop's mortality? You assholes.

[Void]

White people ruined Hip Hop. That might be true, but black people got in line behind the white people and ran it into the ground by following the money. I wouldn't begrudge them that, but lets place blame where it belongs if we're going to get all racist.

[dassim]

Sales. Pretty sure sales only represent what people are spending money on. Equity decides Hip Hop's mortality? You assholes.

If it can't sell, it becomes irrelevant. Its simple as that and there is not enough cognitive dissonance to delay the fact. It will soon fade away and fade to gray just like Doo wop and Disco.

[Void]

I liked It's Dark and Hell is Hot, btw. I'm arguing tastes, I guess. DMX, in his brand of Hip Hop was one of the better ones at the time. I'll admit that. I just have higher standards.

[Void]

Pretty sure Hip Hop started without being relevant at all. Now the money it makes decides whether it's worthy as a music? Like I said earlier, I guess by dead, you meant how Hip Hop had become the most POPULAR music in America. That might be an accomplishment, but it by no means defines it. I should insult you.

[Rawn M.D.]

Void im just curious as to what u consider 'good hiphop' to be?

also - its dark n hell is hot was x's best cd imo

[dassim]

Pretty sure Hip Hop started without being relevant at all. Now the money it makes decides whether it's worthy as a music? Like I said earlier, I guess by dead, you meant how Hip Hop had become the most POPULAR music in America. That might be an accomplishment, but it by no means defines it. I should insult you.

It WAS the most popular genre in America back in 2006 but its 2013. Country and Classic Rock are the Top Genres.

[Rawn M.D.]

I would venture to guess that dubstep outsells hip hop now a days...id actually b interested in seeing genre to sales, if anyone can post a reference link.

[Rojo187]

I liked It's Dark and Hell is Hot, btw. I'm arguing tastes, I guess. DMX, in his brand of Hip Hop was one of the better ones at the time. I'll admit that. I just have higher standards.

higher standards..

like who?

[dassim]

I would venture to guess that dubstep outsells hip hop now a days...id actually b interested in seeing genre to sales, if anyone can post a reference link.


Meh, Its gaining momentum but that Genre is not making powerhouse sales to be recognized yet

[Geno]

X da gawg as far as emotional reall ass nigga shit tho. I'm bumpin undisputed religiously

[TYSON]

I think the south killed hiphop, yes

Faggot

[Anonymous]

White people would make up at least 90% of the top 20 rappers of all time

[Inno]

White people would make up at least 90% of the top 20 rappers of all time

Wtf are u talking about?

[Inno]

White people keep running hiphop.

Look at kreashawn.

Look at mgk

Look at yellawolf.

Look at vanilla ice for christ sake.


Before white people hip hop was part of the black culture and vice versa.

Aftet white people.

Its become a business. ..and has nothing to do with black culture.


Call me what u feel.

WHITE PEOPLE RUINED HIPHOP.

[Malachi]

Yelawolfs kinda good I'm basing this off of one verse tho

[dead man]

in a sense, white people are responsible for hip-hop (as we know it), seeing as it began as a way for blacks to voice a message born from their oppression

just saying

[Dope girl]

1. Freddy E Killed himself
2. Biggie Got shot
3. Tupa Died from Bullets
4. Heavy D Died from Overweight
5. Nate Dogg passed away from stroke

R.I.P. To Them.

[Rojo187]

Money killed hip hop...we went from a revolutionary form of expression to talk about society ills to blatant brand marketing and fake trend setting...pagans and heathens that will praise artists more than objectively listen to it for what it's worth...entertainment...and no matter how big a black person is I.e. Oprah jay z....there's a white dude cutting their checks cuz they have a massive and direct influence on their culture....That's why jay z wants you to question religion....all power lies in self...that Machiavellian attitude is very in line with some forms of humanism and satanism...fact...jay z stopped needing god for help years ago..but funny thing is....it's a war against Christianity than organized religion as a whole...why else would Jay z..Jehovah or Jay hova...himself name a Christian relic in his album title...

.believe what Jay-Z tells you but I rather believe in God and find out there isn't one...then not to believe and find out there is one....and say what you want but even with atomic tyler the future sig....there is a growing acceptance of occult symbols that are becoming more prevalent in music..

now jay can be doing this outta entertainment kanye can change his name to yeezus and say I am God....but it's all harmless right?

and kesha can dance in a black mass with pentagram in the background yet be the idol of millions of tying girls...eventually your daughters and not think there isn't some sort of sinister undercurrent that's during thru hiphop and other cultures?

one more thing...I was watching game of thrones and there's a part that says a man does not become such and powerful by being honorable...so money is power...power corrupts....absolute power corrupts absolutely...

[Rojo187]

rich and powerful my b

[Inno]

in a sense, white people are responsible for hip-hop (as we know it), seeing as it began as a way for blacks to voice a message born from their oppression

just saying


so you are saying white people invented hiphop because they enslaved black people and gave them a reason to have oppression?

I don't get your statement lol..im not trying to bbeef just trying to understand where you are coming from.

[Witty]

Think he was trying to say white oppression of black people was a catalyst, among other things Hip Hop was an outlet, something that gave them a voice and a way to break out of and condemn opression.

I don't think he means white people invented it, more that their actions helped create the feelings of anger and injustice portrayed in Hip Hop.

[Inno]

that's what I thought he meant....im really not trying to be a racist..but I know I speak some truth when I say white people ruined hiphop..

I mean godam it..when hiphop was hiphop we had emcees talking about real shit...saying something behind the lyrics...

once hiphop was pushed into the mainstream...white America decided it was to real...next thing you know we got what we got now..

stupid talentless people pushing trends ands trying to sell you an image of what hiphop should be like.

bottom line is hiphop is a corporation....

[Rojo187]

Think he was trying to say white oppression of black people was a catalyst, among other things Hip Hop was an outlet, something that gave them a voice and a way to break out of and condemn opression.

I don't think he means white people invented it, more that their actions helped create the feelings of anger and injustice portrayed in Hip Hop.

true...but once public enemy made a political impact and created awareness...the move shifted to gangster rap...a more self destructive form for urban youth...

[Inno]

yeah how does that happen


when people like immortal technique and dead prez get shoved to side because its the entertainment they want...

so what gets pushed into the mainstream..

people like

bob.
kid cudi
wiz kalipha

all examples of watered down hiphop.

the hiphop white America wants.

its fact.

[Ghost1]

1. Freddy E Killed himself
2. Biggie Got shot
3. Tupa Died from Bullets
4. Heavy D Died from Overweight
5. Nate Dogg passed away from stroke

R.I.P. To Them.



gone@robreezy

[Coup]

someone predict the face of hiphop in 10 years...think about it, it's gun be mad gay like it is becoming now.

[Sharp]

Watering down of music is just what happens when something blows up. Thats been the way music is since the classical era. Mozart was the original wiz khalifa in that sense

[Coup]

very good points SN....Mozart was the first industry established "star" the first musical biographies were about him etc....he also wrote nothing. all the work was attributed to him by others. just some thoughts....in his time was the rise of the modern music industry.

[Witty]

There really isn't a distinction between Hip Hop and Pop these days in the eyes of the average person, they're one in the same thing.

I dislike that, but who's to say I'm right and they're wrong? You gotta go with what sells, and that's what they're doing.

Just cuz I don't feel a lot of it doesn't mean they should stop, because obviously I'm in the minority...its all opinion, in 10 years from now there will be people who are kids today looking back at what they consider to me the best time of Hip Hop, disliking the new shit that's getting hot because its not what they perceive hip hop to be. And so on and so forth for eternity.

[Coup]

Wity you said,
I dislike that, but who's to say I'm right and they're wrong? You gotta go with what sells, and that's what they're doing.

Brings up a good point...who decides what sells and who determines music trends ? Well the industry does, not the artist, but the men who control it. that is why we really do not see any creativity outside the ridged themes/ideals that are sung about...so agenda is a big part of the picture...music does not evolve naturally....we are given music that in someway leans toward a mindset or direction they are taking society..

that is why all these homo rappers are singing about being homo for example, that is the agenda of the "elite"

not to sound all conspiracy like, but this is how i see it....I could be wrong and am fine with that.

[Sharp]

very good points SN....Mozart was the first industry established "star" the first musical biographies were about him etc....he also wrote nothing. all the work was attributed to him by others. just some thoughts....in his time was the rise of the modern music industry.

To be fair he did write plenty, and was a virtuosic pianist but most of his compositions are average. He has a few killer pieces but most if his catalogue isn't at the level it's thought to be. Still overly-revered imo

[Coup]

I agree on overly revered. A man who had at no point any music education whatsoever wrote master piece after master piece in his sleep. He was establhised to be a human wonderkind, a human god among men. an idol and that is how we look upon him today...mozart could do no wrong...

I have evidence and strong reason to belive he wrote nothing of vaule...all his great works are attributed to him...but that's just me....hit me up for more info on hm...it's crazy deep

anyhow, whateva....you get it.

[dead man]

Think he was trying to say white oppression of black people was a catalyst
thank you

white people are responsible for hip hop

greed is what made it what it is today, for better or worse

no new shocking discoveries here.

and at everybody saying that the death of pac biggie etc. killed hip-hop, you're an idiot. look at all the pioneers that are still alive, who would be revered with the same sort of martyrdom if they had died before the decline of conscious hip-hop. the god rakim, wu-tang, kool herc, KRS, Afrika bambaataa, scarface.. shit even fat joe or cam'ron (who were right alongside those who passed).. have they "saved" hip hop from what its become?

what the fuck would tupac, pun, big L or biggie have said or done to preserve it moreso than the above mentioned artists? not a fucking thing. obviously we would all have more dope music to listen to from these dudes and they would have lived out their natural lives to voice their opinion on the industry. but so what? hip hop as a genre would be no different.

wtf at mozart didnt write his own music? did i read that right?

[Split]

if hip hop died, doesn't that mean it succeeded?

[The youngest boss.]

Shake that laffy taffy

[Rawn M.D.]

I'm more surprised that the ppl who cited deaths as reasoning left out guru tbh.

[Orc]

drakes pen game is on point nh

[Animosi T]

You just need to look in the underground. K-Rino, RA the rugged man, Masta Ace, etc. So many dope rappers keeping it going, it's just hard to find them.