"Top tier" text battler dickriding, NY Stock exchange, mutual funds [Archive]

NYCSPITZ

07-08-2013, 10:59 PM

Otpeks

07-08-2013, 11:01 PM

I dont know shit about stock but here in about 4 months sonys stock is gonna explode

StarFaggot

07-08-2013, 11:48 PM

Actually fuck text right now I want money. What stocks are u guys buying right now? I know aero's got that biotech shit which is EZ to google and see it's got the hottest return ATM but what might u be looking into when the tides shift for long term. I was thinking band aids, condoms, alcohol and coffee

If you want long term stocks you want to purchase stocks in a company that gives a dividend. You want companies that are under valued. The mantra is always buy low and sell high. You named items that people will always need but you make money in volatility. You could purchase stock in a company like Johnson & Johnson but unless you're paid you won't be able to buy many shares. And if you want shares in a conpany like Apple whosr stock is north of 400 then you'll have to invest in mutual funds. What I can do is show you my picks and why I picked them. You can learn a lot that way.

StarFaggot

07-08-2013, 11:52 PM

I dont know shit about stock but here in about 4 months sonys stock is gonna explode

Yes, the introduction of a new product will most of the time generate peoples interest in buying the stock.

Otpeks

07-08-2013, 11:53 PM

Im soooo smart...

Strikta

07-08-2013, 11:57 PM

Aero's a funny ass dude yo.

oats

07-09-2013, 01:16 AM

Thing is, it's far more complicated than that. Take Apple for example: positive growth, maintains huge earnings (profit margin only increasing), and sitting on huge liquid assets, and their stock value has still been falling. It's because psychology drives the market. But I won't bore you guys with Econ lessons. Just saying, looking at volume/PEG/etc isn't always an accurate indicator or predictor of performance.

As Aero pointed out, for someone just dabbling in the market, go with high yield dividends. Some companies like VGR actually give you a stock dividend once a year, on top of the quarterly. I'd recommend cigarette companies. If you're looking for tickers, try VGR, pm, mo. Mmm has been on fire lately, so has V. If you have limited money to invest upfront, look into investing with a Roth IRA. Sogo trade, scottrade and e trade are all reputable and fairly cheap to use as well.

Philly

07-09-2013, 01:37 AM

It's because psychology drives the market. But I won't bore you guys with Econ lessons.

That's not true at all except in the short run - and Apple's margins missed estimates in consecutive quarters this year. Their growth has also not been as high as previous years, needless to say, but that too missed company/JP Morgan estimates. Any model of valuation you use will show you that Apple is undervalued by 150 minimum right now though. It fell because of what I already said, and because it was/is one of the largest holdings among institutional investors. They bailed early because they got in early and saw those signs to get out, and then it just snowballed. I expect it to rise to well over 550 by the end of this year...but keep speculating all you want, I'll be back to quote later.

Philly

07-09-2013, 01:44 AM

If you don't have money like that though and you want it quicker, day-trading and penny stocks is the way to go.

Strikta

07-09-2013, 01:46 AM

That information is actually a tad inconclusive if you ask me. Apple's double digit profit nucleus was on the decline by 75% annually on most individual business scales, worldwide. Most investors bankrolled a gross installment & let the interest accrue before dumping stocks at an enormous rate almost instantly. Their estimates have plundered because of investors impatience & speculation. Just the way the cat shit cookie crumbled.

oats

07-09-2013, 02:00 AM

Philly what's not true? Because your examples are all different models of psychology (estimates, forecasts etc).

I said nothing about Apple being undervalued, I'm talking about it's performance over the past two quarters. Obviously it's undervalued. But It has been steadily falling due to the factors you pointed out, as well as public insecurity regarding corporate reshuffling, lack of innovation, underwhelming product launches, comeuppance of competing technology, etc. But the company's bottom line (IE how much money it's making, trend of market share, growth) are all increasing. The fact that it isn't increasing as a result of people's estimates isn't an accurate view of the company's real value. It's psychological. Animal spirits, as economists have labeled them.

oats

07-09-2013, 02:05 AM

Strikta that kind of market manipulation is probably true, but I couldn't definitively say whether or not that happened. hit me with some info if you have it.

NYCSPITZ

07-09-2013, 02:07 AM

cool advice in this thread thanks although the net worth of every poster here combined is well under 300k it's a starting point

Sharp

07-09-2013, 02:10 AM

If you want long term stocks you want to purchase stocks in a company that gives a dividend. You want companies that are under valued. The mantra is always buy low and sell high. You named items that people will always need but you make money in volatility. You could purchase stock in a company like Johnson & Johnson but unless you're paid you won't be able to buy many shares. And if you want shares in a conpany like Apple whosr stock is north of 400 then you'll have to invest in mutual funds. What I can do is show you my picks and why I picked them. You can learn a lot that way.

I actually kinda do some quasi-market stuff in steam marketplace, while it's low risk low payoff ive made around $80 and kind of enjoy it

So I'm all ears to an applied Econ lesson, stocks are something I'd look to get into in a few years

Philly

07-09-2013, 02:12 AM

oats

They announced the $60 billion dollar buyback less than 2 months ago, Cook's bonus is now riding on the price rising - which he suggested to the board - and it just dipped below $400...

I guess I thought you had the opinion that it would continue falling, my mistake.
But investors generally base decisions on their valuation, primarily...not current public perception.
My main point though, is if you're going to buy Apple - tomorrow is the best time to do it.

Last free financial advice you ever get from me though you peasants, enjoy it

oats

07-09-2013, 02:15 AM

I see what you're saying, and I agree with it. It's only a matter of time until it bounces back. I've been buying it steadily the past 6 months (plus they increased their dividend this year, which is nice - I think it's at 3.05).

What I was saying was those analysts drive the speculation of the people; they dictate how investors invest. Plus when you have people pumping and dumping, it only adds to that. But you're right.

NYCSPITZ

07-09-2013, 02:18 AM

oatmeal what stocks u got other than apple

oats

07-09-2013, 02:43 AM

all the other ones I mentioned plus

boh, mtge, nly, msft, fb. Also a handful of etfs. I've made steady gains since 2009 when I started independently trading, just takes patience, research and frequent monitoring.

StarFaggot

07-09-2013, 02:46 AM

If you don't have money like that though and you want it quicker, day-trading and penny stocks is the way to go.

Thank you

oats

07-09-2013, 02:53 AM

Day trading and penny stocks are much more volatile. High risk high reward etc etc. I'm more conservative in my approach personally, to each his own.

NYCSPITZ

07-09-2013, 02:56 AM

NYCSPITZ

07-09-2013, 02:57 AM

Aero and Oats sip whiskey and read Forbes on weekend nights

Philly

07-09-2013, 03:16 AM

Aero you voted for yourself tho.
You're on timeout for a week.

hotdogvendorman

07-09-2013, 04:31 AM

date trade it is for me.... u geeks rich yo

StarFaggot

07-09-2013, 08:34 AM

I'm all about high risk high reward son...I go after dudes (no homo) drafted in the 7th round with an immaculate skillset who could be the franchise's offensive centerpiece for a decade or flop and be a career minor leaguer.

...give me penny stock tips please

You can easily lose your shirt in penny stocks. You get in and then you get out. It's almost like gambling.

I look at biopharm & biotech penny stocks bc they often have new products they are trying to get FDA approval. Arena Pharmaceuticals (ARNA) is a company I bought at 0.55. I saw that they had a weight loss pill that Mets could use they were trying to get FDA approval from. Eventually they did get FDA approval and the stock is $7.00.

Other penny stocks are pump and dumps you can make money from those if you realize it's a pump and dump. Awesome Penny Stocks . Com does a great job of pumping their stocks. You've got to know what percentage ur willing to lose say 10% n when u want to get out if you could make profit.

NYCSPITZ

07-09-2013, 10:45 AM

Thanks. How often do u guys monitor ur shit and how does that vary between penny stocks and regular stocks?

Also, do you use etrade as ur trading vehicle or real ppl??? Aero oats

NYCSPITZ

07-09-2013, 10:54 AM

also what r some good business mssg boards where dudes talk about this shit

StarFaggot

07-09-2013, 10:55 AM

I monitor my penny stocks every day. Other stocks 3x a week. You're young though so you can recoup any money you've lost. Don't play it safe like Oats he probably has a family. Start your own online business, build another netcees, sell your body on Craigslist. Money is out there. Why shouldn't you have it.

StarFaggot

07-09-2013, 10:57 AM

Stockhideout.com
Aimhighprofits.com

You can learn a lot from seeking alpha . Com

oats

07-09-2013, 02:00 PM

I use Scottrade now, but in college I used sogotrade because it was $3 a trade. I like Scott now because they have an office fairly close to me, so it's easier for me that way.

If you're going with the get rich now thing, do penny stocks, but most legitimate investors stay away from them because they're highly volatile and unpredictable. For every one person who makes money off of them, there are 20 who lose big time. I remember a bunch of brokers going nuts over this penny stock sponge tech a few years ago, because it just won some big patents and was being advertised on MLB stadium walls etc. but the company had a huge liquidity problem and folded. Everything looked good on paper, though.

I don't have a family, just a brain. And to answer your question NYC, I check my portfolio multiple times a day. I also get alerts on my phone when they hit a certain price or change a certain percentage, which helps me since I work two jobs and all that.

StarFaggot

07-09-2013, 02:32 PM

Oats we can have a stock off if you think you're a big shot. You pick 3 stocks you think will do well and ill do the same. Whoever has the highest cumulative percentage gain wins.

Though that won't really work since you're a longer term investor. I can pick stocks that will see 25% gains in one week.

oats

07-09-2013, 05:05 PM

Honestly man, if you're trying to convince anyone that penny stocks are a smart investment, you're doomed to fail. They are what they are: a highly volatile gamble. As with all investments, there are ways to minimize risk, but that's the nature of penny stocks. If you're claiming that you can consistently pick winning penny stocks, then you just haven't been trading long enough. Or who knows, maybe you are the exception of people who do well with them, but statistically, success with penny stocks is the exception. I've openly stated the majority of my portfolio, you can check them if you'd like, but I really have no Interest in short term pump and dumpers.

If you are going to take risks, I'd recommend buying options on larger companies. Again, that's just my way of looking at it.

StarFaggot

07-09-2013, 05:08 PM

Def not saying penny stocks are a wise investment at all but they can make you richer. I know.

PSA don't dabble in penny stocks if you're terrified of risk. If you want a nice safe return leave your money in a savings account, a CD, or municipal bonds.

oats

07-09-2013, 05:18 PM

Nowadays savings accounts and CDs have interest rates lower than inflation, so I wouldn't recommend that lol. Conservative investing doesn't mean not taking risks, it means minimizing it. Smart risks for long term returns.

StarFaggot

07-09-2013, 05:23 PM

Dominate

07-09-2013, 06:00 PM

What kind of interest u get on a term deposit in the US these days?

StarFaggot

07-09-2013, 06:03 PM

A term deposit?

On a savings account 1% or less CDs you're lucky to see any more than 3%. Inflation is at about 1.5 so ur losing money if its in savings.

Dominate

07-09-2013, 06:07 PM

Wow. That's low.

I'm getting 4.65% on mine... Thought about fucking with stocks but a better return than that would likely be a LOT more volatile and monitoring the shit would take up a reasonable portion of my time

CymbiCort

07-09-2013, 06:15 PM

Penny stocks ?Go ahead,try it. I think everyone should experience high risks. I encourage it,i came close to losing a lot but I've also made decent profits....
If youre gonna get into it,definitely read/know about it first.

And agreed at savings account being next to worthless these days. Youd get identical results keeping your gwap in a shoebox. (Sarcasm ofc).

Long term is the key here...

Unless you are....Martha Stewart. I wont speak anymore on this.

oats

07-10-2013, 12:27 AM

Damn Aero the best CD rate I could find is .75, and that was from a credit union for a 5 year. Savings rates here are at best .35. The FED is keeping them down to manage inflation, but with the job market making strides it should increase next summer.

Philly

08-05-2013, 08:19 PM

That's not true at all except in the short run - and Apple's margins missed estimates in consecutive quarters this year. Their growth has also not been as high as previous years, needless to say, but that too missed company/JP Morgan estimates. Any model of valuation you use will show you that Apple is undervalued by 150 minimum right now though. It fell because of what I already said, and because it was/is one of the largest holdings among institutional investors. They bailed early because they got in early and saw those signs to get out, and then it just snowballed. I expect it to rise to well over 550 by the end of this year...but keep speculating all you want, I'll be back to quote later.

Already at 470. Already made over $700 in a month, doin nothing.

Philly knows.

StarFaggot

08-05-2013, 08:21 PM

lol I made a killing on Linkedin

NYCSPITZ

08-05-2013, 08:21 PM

interesting

Philly

08-05-2013, 08:28 PM

lol I made a killing on Linkedin

I was late on it...
and the facebook / zynga fiascos had me shook.
Did you get out yet?

StarFaggot

08-05-2013, 08:30 PM

Yes I sold LinkedIn as soon as it hit 150 mark. Wish I would've held. As far as FB I never got on but it is just breaking even of its IPO but I wish I wou;ve bought it in the 20s

oats

08-05-2013, 09:44 PM

oats

08-05-2013, 09:45 PM

I'm just pissed I sold such a huge chunk of MMM at 96. Bought it at 80, thought it would go down a bit more, but it's been Wall Street's most hated rally.

Philly

08-05-2013, 11:13 PM

I bought FB at 19, just now making me some money. Since this thread, I've had some nice bumps with MTGE and GDX.
Philly nobody had any real concerns about AAPL performing. It'll continue to be slow and steady.

Nobody had concerns? haha yea it dropped $300 over 7 months for no reason.
And 17% increase in a month is more than slow and steady bossman.

You trollin me or do you really just have no idea what you're talkin about

oats

08-05-2013, 11:23 PM

Read previous posts in this thread, def didn't drop for no reason. But yes, real investors were never concerned long term, just went on sale. You trying to re-up this thread like you had some brilliant insight that aapl was undervalued and will continue to perform well is the only troll here.

Witty

08-06-2013, 04:59 AM

Understood about 3 words in this thread.

The Bully

11-27-2013, 07:30 PM

That's not true at all except in the short run - and Apple's margins missed estimates in consecutive quarters this year. Their growth has also not been as high as previous years, needless to say, but that too missed company/JP Morgan estimates. Any model of valuation you use will show you that Apple is undervalued by 150 minimum right now though. It fell because of what I already said, and because it was/is one of the largest holdings among institutional investors. They bailed early because they got in early and saw those signs to get out, and then it just snowballed. I expect it to rise to well over 550 by the end of this year...but keep speculating all you want, I'll be back to quote later.

Anyone act on my advice?
Apple's now at 546, so you would have made $146 on one share.
36.5% growth in less than 6 months and still climbing.

Ask you're financial advisor if he can give you that over 3 years