the Kajieme Powell shooting video

[dead man]

released yesterday

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-P54MZVxMU&bpctr=1408655376

http://www.newsweek.com/new-video-police-shooting-2nd-man-st-louis-emerges-266041

not to mention, this is in ST. LOUIS

kid was half their size and armed with a knife (allegedly)

over 2 energy drinks.

i don't even know anymore..

[Drunken Master]

Knife or not, if the police yell "put the knife down" multiple times and you keep moving towards them yelling "shoot me"... what do you think is going to happen?

Shitty situation

[StarFaggot]

To shoot him that many times is excessive then to handcuff a corpse is ridiculous.

[Ghost1]

Oh lawd

This gon spark up the race war again

I feel like we had reached a small bit of common ground since treyvon here on nc...this will not bode well


Couldnt they have just knee capped the kid tho? Iunno seemed pretty brutal.

[StarFaggot]

Oh lawd

This gon spark up the race war again

I feel like we had reached a small bit of common ground since treyvon here on nc...this will not bode well


Couldnt they have just knee capped the kid tho? Iunno seemed pretty brutal.

A race war on netcees? Lol never. 95% white male of which 73% wants to be black.

[Drunken Master]

I truly don't want to start a debate.

Handcuffing is protocol. It's cold, it's fucked up, but they legally had to. As they can't "pronounce him dead" so they have to act as if he isn't. I'm sure they didn't like doing it either.

And the shots were in rapid succession, that lasted all of two seconds. That's pure adrenalin. A knee jerk reaction because if you watch careful he makes a quick lunge motion towards them.


I'm by no means defending them. But I do think this situation was pretty instigated.


As far as why they didn't shoot him in the leg, I think that's against protocol. I think leg shots are legally considered to be inhumane. If they're going to shoot their weapon I believe they're supposed to shoot to kill. I could be wrong about this though.

[Ghost1]

Ehhhh those percentages seem high

I think most of us have outgrown our wigger stages

[dead man]

the knee cap was my exact thought.

never been through police training but i was under the impression that officers were trained to use non-deadly force to neutralize violent suspects if ever possible.

[Greed]

If they shoot at all they going for the kill. No point in letting him live to sue the force and get people fired.

This I understand.

Its how quick they are to shoot is the unforgivable issue

[Ghost1]

Yea....but that logic is flawed....i mean his family will still pursue litigation against the force obv....and likely more agressively since he was killed

[Greed]

Just watched.

Wtf was that nigga doing.

[Drunken Master]

the knee cap was my exact thought.

never been through police training but i was under the impression that officers were trained to use non-deadly force to neutralize violent suspects if ever possible.

They are. Lethal force is supposed to be a last resort.

I want to be clear that I'm not trying to say that the cops were right in this situation. I wasn't there. I do think they acted within their "rights" just based off the video though.

They had their guns out almost immediately upon exiting their cars.


This could be because they're trigger happy.

However it could have also been because whoever called them there had already seen the knife. Or maybe it's a neighborhood with a lot of gun violence. Maybe whoever called the police exaggerated the situation and the severity putting the police on alert.

Then when the police arrived he had his hand in his pocket and wouldn't remove it (yelling at them to shoot him) and then lunged.

I know watching the video quite a bit of time passed, but those situations are much harder to gauge if you're right there in the thick of it. They don't get to pause it and see if there is a better option. They went from yelling, to (in their minds) defending themselves. Didn't really have time to swap out for the tazer.

[Ghost1]

The small excerpt i read said that the store clerk an the store accross tye street reported the kid had a knife

Its the same debate really tho as it ever is in these scenarios....

The police are granted their position to make split decisions involving life or death situations vs the police over reacted

Its not much to say that hasnt been said before

[Geno]

They could of tazed him. Didnt have to kill that man. Thats a fucked up vodeo.

[big baby]

the knee cap was my exact thought.

never been through police training but i was under the impression that officers were trained to use non-deadly force to neutralize violent suspects if ever possible.

he supposedly had a weapon. Nigga this aint OSAMA BIN LADEN FOUND DEAD OR ALIVE NGIGA THIS IS SHOOT THE BITCH WITH A WEAPON.

Knee caps? Motherfucker just kill me.

[Certain]

Cops are not intelligent or well-liked people growing up. That's why they become cops. They desperately want power to help overcome their social ineptitudes. Those are the most dangerous people to give power to.

No VERITAS.

[dead man]

some people are saying suicide by cop.

and it's obvious his intentions were to provoke the police. most likely as a result of the Michael Brown situation considering where this happened. clearly a bad move.

i'm not anti-cop whatsoever. i know plenty of good policeman personally. but these guys fucked up. should not have killed the kid. looks bad from almost every angle. financial, political, PR, etc.

[big baby]

They could of tazed him. Didnt have to kill that man. Thats a fucked up vodeo.

aiight so when someone is threatening you and your partners life (seadad cause u guys are gay together) you can taze the dude with knife, just bring out your handy tazor and taze him STFU WIGGER BITCH.

[Greed]

Called his homie started stuntin and shit.

Got hella close. Movin lightweight quick.

Yeah police quick to shoot

But

He was doing too much.

[Zen]

They are. Lethal force is supposed to be a last resort.

I want to be clear that I'm not trying to say that the cops were right in this situation. I wasn't there. I do think they acted within their "rights" just based off the video though.

They had their guns out almost immediately upon exiting their cars.


This could be because they're trigger happy.

However it could have also been because whoever called them there had already seen the knife. Or maybe it's a neighborhood with a lot of gun violence. Maybe whoever called the police exaggerated the situation and the severity putting the police on alert.

Then when the police arrived he had his hand in his pocket and wouldn't remove it (yelling at them to shoot him) and then lunged.

I know watching the video quite a bit of time passed, but those situations are much harder to gauge if you're right there in the thick of it. They don't get to pause it and see if there is a better option. They went from yelling, to (in their minds) defending themselves. Didn't really have time to swap out for the tazer.

"As tensions continue to flare over Brown's death, many question the circumstances under which the law justifies a police officer's use of deadly force. When faced with a perceived threat, why don't officers shoot to wound rather than shoot to kill?

The reason, according to law enforcement officials and experts on police accountability, is simple: Officers have long been trained to shoot to kill because that is the only way they say they can neutralize a threat. The idea of shooting someone in a limb is fiction.

"That's a Hollywood myth," John Firman, director of research, programs, and professional services at the International Association of Chiefs of Police, told The Huffington Post. "In all policy everywhere on force in any law enforcement agency in America, the bottom line statement should read: If you feel sufficiently threatened or if lives are threatened and you feel the need that you must use lethal force, then you must take out the suspect."

Firman said shooting to wound is impractical because "the likelihood of success is low." The officer may miss the target, leaving both the police and the public at risk, he said."

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/08/20/375933/us-cops-trained-to-kill-not-to-wound/

[Drunken Master]

Zen not sure why you quoted me for that? I said I thought it to be against protocol up there^^^^

Although the likelihood for success is a pretty good reason I hadn't thought of

[dead man]

bang bang

[big baby]

@drunken msater

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El Pancake
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[PancakeBrah]

Wut?

[Drunken Master]

I've never been more sure about anything in my life than I am about the fact that I want to adopt big baby.

[Zen]

Zen not sure why you quoted me for that? I said I thought it to be against protocol up there^^^^

Although the likelihood for success is a pretty good reason I hadn't thought of

Lol. I think I hit the quote button accidentally. I'm high, so yeah.

ima fucka idiyote.

[Batty]

That shit was cold. Looked like it called for the tazer, they wasn't even trying to wait and talk about it though.

Damn bros.

[MKG]

Yeah they had more than enough time to take the taser out of their purses and hit him.

[Ghost1]

According to what....ur perspective from a youtube video shot 20 yards away

Lol

[oats]

I think there are two sources for these problems. First is racism. Second is the over militarization of police forces.

I don't think cops are racist, not on the whole. And those that are, I believe, are not consciously racist, but seem to be the product of a system that has told them to keep a closer eye on black people. These aren't KKK members, but the more I see this ferguson shit the more it becomes apparent that people lack racial empathy. It sounds like a trite argument to make, but does anyone really think this would have happened to a white 18 year old in ferguson?

The police militarization is less nuanced, I think. Police have equipment that they aren't properly trained for, and will scarcely ever need except in the most extraordinary of circumstances. This changes their behavior. It's an interesting case study to see public opinions on policemen here in Asia - they are regarded as helpful guides and peacemakers, many don't carry firearms. I'm not suggesting that America can seamlessly adopt those measures, but I think it would do wonders for police/community relations to have a non-threatening unit of police that exists for community involvement and general betterment, not just for arresting criminals.

Police have one of the hardest, and worst jobs in the world. The pay is adequate at best, and you kinda have to be a dick because you never know who you're going to encounter. And there are some crazy fucked up fucks in the general population, even though most people are normal and law abiding. But they got some serious cleaning up to do, the least of which means some sensitivity training and historical context of race and behavior. Every urban cop should have to read WEB Dubois and James Baldwin IMO. Yay reading

[uh-oh]

THIS WAS EXTREMELY QUICK

nothing wrong with this at all. he got what he had coming. if you think different wake the fuck up

also on the subject of shooting legs, its still a lethal place to be hit, you will bleed out very easily if hit directly enough to actually make you lose the use of your legs. giant arteries and shit

but yea, definite suicide by cop. dude was a grade a retard

[Ghost1]

Wat was he even waiting there for

If he wasnt trying to start shit w the cops he wouldve just bounced....no1 was keeping him there

[oats]

You guys are looking at the small picture too much. Suicide by cop is an adequate term here.


But what would drive a person to do that? Do you think this is the disease to the symptom?

[uh-oh]

You guys are looking at the small picture too much. Suicide by cop is an adequate term here.


But what would drive a person to do that? Do you think this is the disease to the symptom?

delusions of grandeur

i'd go into the broken class system and remnants of segregation and intitutionalised racism and etc. if he didnt shout out his facebook and instagram in the video

[big baby]

You guys are looking at the small picture too much. Suicide by cop is an adequate term here.


But what would drive a person to do that? Do you think this is the disease to the symptom?

he said shoot me and was allegedly wielding a weapon, and then made a charge at them?

[oats]

uh-oh I didn't hear that, but I have shitty speakers here. That definitely adds another level of extreme narcissism.

big baby nobody is saying the dude behaved rationally or intelligently. but he stood on a wall, he didn't "make a charge." if he was brandishing a weapon that's one thing, but again, the question is - what causes a person to behave like this? because he's a crazy black man? or because there is institutionalized pressure and festering racial tension?

I'm not saying this man is free from blame. But cops are supposed to be above the average crazy guy. This video makes them seem trigger happy. but that's not my point - this is a synecdoche for a larger issue, and it gets washed out by details of these singular examples. poverty is the disease, these are flare ups. the undercurrent of systemic racism in the police force has only exacerbated the problem.

[veritas]

obv mk ultra mind control pawn or psychotic/suicidal

[big baby]

uh-oh I didn't hear that, but I have shitty speakers here. That definitely adds another level of extreme narcissism.

big baby nobody is saying the dude behaved rationally or intelligently. but he stood on a wall, he didn't "make a charge." if he was brandishing a weapon that's one thing, but again, the question is - what causes a person to behave like this? because he's a crazy black man? or because there is institutionalized pressure and festering racial tension?

I'm not saying this man is free from blame. But cops are supposed to be above the average crazy guy. This video makes them seem trigger happy. but that's not my point - this is a synecdoche for a larger issue, and it gets washed out by details of these singular examples. poverty is the disease, these are flare ups. the undercurrent of systemic racism in the police force has only exacerbated the problem.
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[Diode]

the knee cap was my exact thought.

never been through police training but i was under the impression that officers were trained to use non-deadly force to neutralize violent suspects if ever possible.

wrong.

[Diode]

don't charge a cop with a weapon

obvious result is obvious

anyone trying to spin this is dumb

go ahead, let some lunatic within 3 ft of you swinging a knife lemee know what death is like

[oats]

lol did you guys watch the same video? he did not charge anyone swinging a knife. if he did that, I'd agree with you, but he didn't do that. he just kept right on walking away - notice how he backed off and went behind the wall when the police car parked. should he have put his hands up and laid on the ground? yes. is this an isolated incident? not at all.

I'm not saying it was just the policemen's fault, though I don't think they responded well anyway. I'm saying that this indicates a bigger problem. this is why people are upset, because viewers start to neglect the deeper issue by washing it out with small details. "oh brown stole from a convenience store..." that's not the point (for various reasons). but it effectively distracts people from the real causes of these situations, which are not acceptable for a civilized society.

[big baby]

shut up nigger lover he clearly took steps toward just watch BITCH

and you can't see the guns the policeman are holding, but you can clearly see the knife that he is or isnt holding? Im not saying that i see it,im saying that he was presumd to have a weapon on him. IDIYOTE

[oats]

if he allegedly had a knife, why were they closing in on him? first, you aren't supposed to hop out a van and aim a gun AT someone - it's supposed to be pointed downwards unless someone visibly has a weapon and/or becomes a threat. more importantly, guns shoot from a distance - they could have stayed a reasonable distance from him to stay safe from a knife (unless dude was the desperado knife thrower) and still apply the pressure for him to sit down and put his hands up. instead they came out the van guns directed at him and when he made a step that was ARGUABLY a little bit aggressive, they shot him several times.

this is the police militarization problem I mentioned earlier - they have the mentality of anti-terrorist units in the middle east, but they aren't. serve and protect, right? not seek and destroy.

[Ghost1]

They were a reasonable distance from him when they arrived........then he advanced.....by the time they shot him when he fell he rolled onto the one cops feet lol

[oats]

They were a reasonable distance from him when they arrived........then he advanced.....by the time they shot him when he fell he rolled onto the one cops feet lol

they arrived with their guns AT him and then advanced towards him. ever heard of the phrase "he brought a knife to a gun fight?" they had no reason to feel threatened of his alleged knife - they essentially were in a boxing match with a 50ft reach advantage and one punch knockout power in their jab - they need to circle around and maintain that distance. if he steps forward, they step back, if he steps back, they step forward, etc. you can shoot someone from 15 ft pretty easily, can't charge at someone 15ft away with a knife very effectively. and there were two cops there to safely and appropriately encircle him while others came to the scene (which happened shortly).

again, serve and protect. they didn't do either of those to this man, and yes, at the time of the shooting it was their job to do so. there really isn't any controversy to this - cops are the authority and didn't act appropriately. the man behaved irresponsibly no doubt, but the cops still did not do their job correctly. ESPECIALLY with Ferguson situation right down the road. they should have known better and been the story of police showing restraint, not another headline of cops shooting a civilian in the street.

[Ghost1]

They didnt advance? He did

An i dont see how backstepping as he advanced would have helped? He ignored them from the moment they arrived....he had no reason to be there when the cops arr9ved .....he was waoting there for them. He got what he wanted.

[oats]

The point is that you avoid shooting a man who is presumed innocent until proven otherwise? Who is not visibly armed? Because there is already a major conflict nearby because of a similar situation? And because it is your job as an officer to de escalate a situation before you shoot someone?

And they did advance, as soon as they got out of the car they approached him, again with their guns pointing at him. They didn't do their jobs correctly. I don't think they were malicious monsters, but they were in the wrong (as was the man, clearly).

But he did seem to get what he wanted, at least in that impulsive heat of emotion. Still doesn't excuse the officers. Don't make the mistake of attributing that small glimpse of his life as a defining character trait or longstanding motivation - we don't know that.

[Ghost1]

Saying that they should be considering the other issue seems stupid too........they are in the heat of 5he moment dealing with a potential armed threat an they should stop an say........politically this could be terrible. Lol cmon. They reacted... thats what we pay them to do.....could they have reacted differently....sure...maybe clubbed him or tazed him i guess......but if they didnt feel they coukd do that safely well thats the judgement call we appointed them to make. The kid played suicide bomber to escalating the race war purely based off the ferguson scenario......this is just some crazy coincedence? Really....no. otherwise nigs would be getting gunned down everyweek over there.

[millz]

Some people need to read up about the 21 ft rule. I mean really this dude was wielding a knife. At the time of being shot he was maybe what 10ft away. Do you realize that is well within lethal range for a knife.

They are trained to eliminate the threat. They called out warnings. He moved in on them and backed away a bit. Pulled his hand out of the pocket wielding a knife and well within the 21ft moved aggressively towards the officers. That's textbook what they should do.

This whole shoot em in the leg or shoot out their tires is garbage. This isn't the movies.

It's tragic that 2 young men died. Deserving or not. But people act like cops kill young black males at crazy rates.


There is some like 12 million people arrested a year less than 400 result in cops killing someone. That's like .000003%. Cops shooting and killing people is a complete statistical a anomoly.

Over 90% of the young black men in this country are killed by other black man.


If you wanna talk about racial profiling or arrest rates or possession charges cool. Those are tangible numbers. But all this nonsense about cops having hardons for killing black men is about as credible as republicans and voter id laws to prevent fraud, or gun control for mass shootings.

[uh-oh]

im on black peoples sides at least 77 percent of the time.

oats you are delusional my man. when you come back to reality you will understand these police did NOTHING wrong. NOTHING.

they deserve no praise, or punishment. people can fight through tasers, they don't affect everyone the same, they can fight through pepper spray, they can fight through a ho ass german shepherd. without a deadly weapon.

he's already shown his disrespect for law and order by robbing a store and menacing the owner, and he waited to CONFRONT police, not tell his side of the story.

get fucking real man

[millz]

Tasers are not meant for armed suspect encounters

[oats]

The amount of misinformation about what a cop is supposed to do in this thread is staggering. A cop's job is NOT to "eliminate the threat." It wasn't even clearly established that he was a threat yet. A cop is not paid to "react" to situations. They are supposed to take control of situations and serve and protect the community - this man was part of the community, they didn't do either of those for him.

Bags, I'm not saying they should be worried about what it will look like politically. I'm saying that the proximity of this situation was definitely on their mind, and they should be aware of what to do to de-escalate situations before shooting. THAT is their job. The shoot first shit is for video games not real life.

Think of it like this: if you're thinking "hmm that's what I would've done, I get it" then THAT is the problem. Cops are held to a higher standard than us, that's why we give them guns and leave them in charge of enforcing laws. They shouldn't be acting like a regular NCG.

[Greed]

Ayo.

He had his hand in his shirt when they pulled up. Lookin hella suspect.

He didnt charge them per se, but he was moving in quick as fuck considering guns are already drawn.

He was making pretty good progress towards them he got hit and fell damn near in front of the truck.

It was game over when the guns was drawn but he was still playin.

[oats]

Millz you don't think that the racial profiling etc you mentioned doesn't play a role in situations like this?

You guys are not understanding - I'm not saying this dude was an innocent victim and deserves martyrdom. He fucked up in multiple instances. But those mistakes didn't warrant the police response that happened. To say they did nothing wrong is absurd. The second they stepped out of the van the fucked up by approaching him with their guns drawn and pointed at him. That is against protocol.

[oats]

I suggest you guys reread what I was saying a few pages ago. All of these details are beside the point - not to mention mostly inaccurate. The point is there is a systemic problem with police military mentality. They are NOT soldiers. They are public servants. If you are washing out these issues by picking at questionable details, you're missing the point.

[millz]

Racial profiling plays a role in tons of situations. But this specific one no. They got a call about a theft with a possible edged weapon. They show up realizing something is not right and the suspect is within or close to the 21ft. So they appropriately draw their weapons. They issu numerous warnings. To which the man refuses to listen and with that weapon makes an aggressive move towards them from a fairly close distance.

This wasn't some random stop. This was them being specifically called in for this situation. They didn't seek this guy out as a suspect.

[millz]

I think anyone dying is needless. But at the same time I will take a dead armed suspect over an injured or dead civilian bystander or injured or dead cop 100 times out of 100 times. No different than I would rather see a guilty man acquitted before I ever see an innocent man convicted. The systems can never be perfect but they get it right the vast vast vast majority of the time.

From every standpoint of law enforcement training you are wrong on this one case.

They drew their weapons immediately because a possible armed suspect approached them aggressively.

[Greed]

Nah oats you looking too into this.

They didnt know what was in that pocket. He made just the right amount of mistakes to get ended.

I mean, if I was the police, im not getting killed over some dude stealing a soda from the liquor store. Back the fuck up now, sir, or get blown the fuck back.

Only thing sad about this video is that dudes choices. That was the outcome he created.

[millz]

You are literally 5x more likely to be struck by lightning than being shot and killed by a police during an attempted arrest.

[oats]

Yes the man created that situation, I've said this many times, I've never excused his idiotic behavior. But he still did nothing to warrant that police response, even if you believe he would have eventually.

Millz, if you think that the same reasons that cause police officers to unnecessarily stop and suspect black people more than white people played no part of this - that the officers were able to turn those biases on and off - you are incredibly naive. If you think the duty of a police officer is to arrive at a POTENTIALLY dangerous scene and have their weapons pointed at someone, you are simply incorrect on what police protocol is. Your analogy does not hold up in this instance because this was a man who allegedly broke the law (and probably did), but did not get a chance to represent himself. Again, he behaved poorly to say the least, but don't attribute those actions to a pre existing motivation or character trait - we don't know that. He acted impulsively, which is exactly why police are charged to show restraint unless it is absolutely necessary to apply force. They arrived ready to apply force, as evidenced by their guns pointed directly at the man. That you would mention the lightning statistic shows that you truly are missing the point on this - nobody is saying police are out trying to kill black men. Please reread the various posts I've made before responding with the exact same arguments I've been refuting.

Make no mistake, if you are espousing the notion that police should be able to react as soldiers first and civil servants second, you are permitting behavior that will only make society worse. I'm not saying these officers are bad people - I don't know that. But they responded inappropriately, and I believe it is because of the militaristic mentality that has seeped into police culture nationwide.

[Greed]

The guns were drawn cause of the unidentified item in the pocket.

I mean, fuck the police and everything, but they were right to jump out on dude like that. He was at the time ACTUALLY dangerous. Not to us cause we saw five minutes prior, but they only saw their suspect with his hands in his pockets, not responding to commands to knock that shit off.

He got too close. Screaming shoot me and shit. Thats the talk of a man with nothing left to live for. Thats dangerous.

This aint a michael brown type case. Wasn't no hands up situation. This aint the movies. You cant rush the police in an emotional outburst like that fuck around and get smoked.

My generation is now the police force. And if they think like me its my life over theirs. Not a black or white issue, or an over militarized police thing. THIS nigga didnt know when to quit.

[uh-oh]

yea i mean that honestly sums it up

you are innocent until proven guilty. you are also alive until you approach cops with a knife yelling shoot me. he couldve proved his innocence by obeying the law, instead he chose death by cop

this is very simple, cut and dry.

oats, how would you feel if the store owner pulled out a pistol and shot him dead in the store? would he be in the wrong? his life was threatened in exchange for 2 SODAS. then the guy posts up outside his store while he calls police, knowing the police will come, when they get there he's going towards them with his hand in his pocket yelling shoot me. the police were prepared for an armed suspect, and the armed suspect was hostile. threat eliminated. book em

[oats]

If the man pulled a knife on the store owner and the owner shot him then and there, WAY different situation. Again, police are public servants. The store owner has a right to protect himself and his store. Police rolled up on the offensive. They have to show restraint that the store owner does not have to. That is completely different.

Again, I say this over and over - dude was an idiot. But there is a deeper issue than his idiocy. Was he acting like that because he was a crazy black guy? Or is there something else charging this type of behavior? You guys are focusing on a tree and missing the rest if the forest. I have no intention repeating myself anymore. Just be aware of what you are really supporting when you say "the police did nothing wrong." If you think "it's them vs. Us" is appropriate mentality for police, please don't weigh in on these issues, because you don't understand what a police officer's job is.

[Objective]

As far as why they didn't shoot him in the leg, I think that's against protocol. I think leg shots are legally considered to be inhumane.

Lmfao, ''leg shots inhumane'' but killing isn't? I don't know about y'all, but the U.S. police is on some third world country level.

Killing a guy because he is wielding a knife... No warning shots, nothing besides ''BACK OFF I'LL SHOOT''? Dude might be an idiot but doing what they did is laughable and straight up grade F police work. I mean, if that shit had happened over here the cops would have tried to calm him down and cough him, if it didn't work and he brings forth a knife they'd yell people to back off and 1 of the officers would go in circles to shield people away from him and end up having an officer on both sides. If he tried to launch at someone they'd narrow him down before he got to them. Mainly; keep him at a distance, call back-up and let a dog handle the business. And what about the taser you got over there? This is just fucked up...

No reason to kill/shoot the guy in this situation. Those people suck and should be discharged. I mean, serve and protect goes ways, the cops are there to protect the citizens as good as they can. Last time I checked criminals are citizens too.

[Greed]

If the world was a place where you could discuss feelings and get results we wouldn't need police we would need street counselors. Thugs, gang bangers, shit even serial killers gonna stop when the police show up, or you getting killed.

Only people who dont are planning to shoot their way out of the situation.

Come on man I cant fund your campaign against the police for this video. There are real injustices that could use your support.

[uh-oh]

If the man pulled a knife on the store owner and the owner shot him then and there, WAY different situation. Again, police are public servants. The store owner has a right to protect himself and his store. Police rolled up on the offensive. They have to show restraint that the store owner does not have to. That is completely different.

Again, I say this over and over - dude was an idiot. But there is a deeper issue than his idiocy. Was he acting like that because he was a crazy black guy? Or is there something else charging this type of behavior? You guys are focusing on a tree and missing the rest if the forest. I have no intention repeating myself anymore. Just be aware of what you are really supporting when you say "the police did nothing wrong." If you think "it's them vs. Us" is appropriate mentality for police, please don't weigh in on these issues, because you don't understand what a police officer's job is.

"it's them vs. us" isn't the appropriate mentality, when you are thinking the "us" is ONLY the police.

the police are an extension of the people. it is them vs. us. them being criminals. us being law abiding citizens and the police force of PEACE officers. he disturbed the peace and threatened the life of one person for sure, and then threatened the lives of 2 police officers with the intent of getting shot by cops.

no one is missing your point, btw. your point is irrelevant to the outcome of this video.

if you are trying to say the events in ferguson motivated him to do this, then i assume you think that those same events justify this mans actions, and you are wrong.

michael brown being killed wasnt these two officers fault. they have the right to protect themselves as well. if he wanted to take a stand and be in the news for being shot he got what he wanted.

what do you think should happen to the officers?

[oats]

Nobody is campaigning against police, greed. And to lump a dude who stole two sodas from a convenience store in with thugs and serial killers is ridiculous.

[oats]

Uh oh, that is not my point. My very first post in here was about why I think these things are happening. The outcome of the video is very relevant to the real issues here: poverty, systemic disenfranchisement of minorities and racism in police force, and over militarized culture. Yes, it is no coincidence that this happened 4 miles away from mike brown shooting, and that he was yelling "shoot me." The mike brown situation, as well as this man's behavior, are correlated symptoms of the above mentioned issues.

Defending yourself is different from being trigger happy. This was clearly trigger happy.

I think the officers should be reprimanded, taken through sensitivity training and protocol, and suspended temporarily. When they come back, they will have a period of the more menial police work like traffic shit.

[oats]

Uh oh, that is not my point. My very first post in here was about why I think these things are happening. The outcome of the video is very relevant to the real issues here: poverty, systemic disenfranchisement of minorities and racism in police force, and over militarized culture. Yes, it is no coincidence that this happened 4 miles away from mike brown shooting, and that he was yelling "shoot me." The mike brown situation, as well as this man's behavior, are correlated symptoms of the above mentioned issues.

Defending yourself is different from being trigger happy. This was clearly trigger happy.

I think the officers should be reprimanded, taken through sensitivity training and protocol, and suspended temporarily. When they come back, they will have a period of the more menial police work like traffic shit.

[uh-oh]

we just gotta agree to disagree.

i see them doing no wrong. watch the video. an armed hostile man is telling people to get away from him. "you know my instagram and facebook im tired of this" then police pull up. they tell him to take his hands out of his pockets. he did. with a knife in one hand. he walks up and climbs over that wall, moving parallel. they tell him to drop the knife, repeatedly. after climbing over that little wall he was moving towards them. they gave him every opportunity, he was armed and threatening them.

i don't understand how anyone watching that expects the cops to circle around him and run away from him while he is brandishing a weapon until they can calm the situation

the situation is what it is because of the suspect.

i just realized thats probably the tenth time i said exactly the same thing in a slightly different way.

so this will be my last post on the matter.

just know where im sitting, watching that video i see nothing wrong with the polices actions, at all. if you do i disagree with you so you are therefore wrong since i am always right.

[oats]

we just gotta agree to disagree.

I DONT AGREE TO THAT

[oats]

Nah but forreal uh oh, you got a fundamentally incorrect understanding of what a policeman's job is. Don't worry you're still top 5 boarders easy.

[uh-oh]

no i have a realistic understanding of what actual police officers ARE

not a wishful thinking view of what they COULD be.

[oats]

What they ARE is the problem. What they SHOULD BE is the solution. YOULL SEE

[Paradox]

aiight so when someone is threatening you and your partners life (seadad cause u guys are gay together) you can taze the dude with knife, just bring out your handy tazor and taze him STFU WIGGER BITCH.

Um kids yeah that is what u do

Here is in aus many years ago before tazers were introduced some 16 yr old charged at police with a knife in each hand, they shot him dead for obv reasons.
Police shoot to kill not to wound. Shooting a knee (half a foot target) sprinting at you zig zaging etc is alot harder to hit then a 3 foot torso. So what would u go for in that situation? They shouldve just pulled tazers asap once out of the car and tazered him tho.

edit: oats a policemans job is to protect. that includes his own life, which the kid was charging at him attempting to take. what do you think he was gonna tickle his scrotom with it? cmon now.

[Objective]

just know where im sitting, watching that video i see nothing wrong with the polices actions, at all.

So... You don't think they could have shot his foot, tazed him or something instead of killing the man? That way the shot would be directed towards the ground in case they'd miss the shot as well and given him a fair chance of survival.

[Paradox]

So... You don't think they could have shot his foot, tazed him or something instead of killing the man? That way the shot would be directed towards the ground in case they'd miss the shot as well and given him a fair chance of survival.

shot his foot? r u srs?

u have obv never been charged before.

let me tell u what happens.

adrenaline dump, natural instincts kick in.

shooting the biggest part of the target is much easier than too shoot a fucking foot which is sprinting and moving at what 20km an hour?

these rnt army recon marksmen these are police, they shoot the body, end of story.

[Objective]

shot his foot? r u srs?

u have obv never been charged before.

let me tell u what happens.

adrenaline dump, natural instincts kick in.

shooting the biggest part of the target is much easier than too shoot a fucking foot which is sprinting and moving at what 20km an hour?

these rnt army recon marksmen these are police, they shoot the body, end of story.

Taze the motherfucker then. Don't tell me they ain't effective.

And your assumptions are wrong. I've been charged at with a knife before, a metal pipe once, been jumped and all that shit. Adrenaline pumps, natural instincts kick in for sure. I've never had a gun on me though. If I had I'd probably shoot the dude, but that's mainly because I'm not trained for situations like these. That's what cops are supposed to be for, assess the situation and handle it in the best possible way. Going for the gun and drop someone dead isn't handling it in the best possible way, tazing the fucker or shoot someone in the legs or something is. The first course of action shouldn't be to kill someone.

It's the officers duty to serve and protect all citizens, the court should stand for the rest unless there's a viable reason to do something else. In this situation it could have been handled WAY better. Had he charged at the guy for real I'd understand the shots being fired, but yo, he's barely moving back'n'forth. I'd go backwards, behind the police car or something and aim at the fucker and yell at people to move the fuck away. It would definitely have given enough time for the rest of the cops to arrive as they weren't that far behind.

I guess you disagree, so we'll just have to agree on having different views. I think this could have been handled better, you don't.

[oats]

lol I love how the narrative has become "he charged them with a knife!" no, he didn't. Even if he did, Paradox (sorry about that killer dachshund line btw, couldn't resist), the PO's should have maintained a better distance. anyway, done with this discussion. It's an important one to have though.

[Paradox]

Taze the motherfucker then. Don't tell me they ain't effective.

And your assumptions are wrong. I've been charged at with a knife before, a metal pipe once, been jumped and all that shit. Adrenaline pumps, natural instincts kick in for sure. I've never had a gun on me though. If I had I'd probably shoot the dude, but that's mainly because I'm not trained for situations like these. That's what cops are supposed to be for, assess the situation and handle it in the best possible way. Going for the gun and drop someone dead isn't handling it in the best possible way, tazing the fucker or shoot someone in the legs or something is. The first course of action shouldn't be to kill someone.

It's the officers duty to serve and protect all citizens, the court should stand for the rest unless there's a viable reason to do something else. In this situation it could have been handled WAY better. Had he charged at the guy for real I'd understand the shots being fired, but yo, he's barely moving back'n'forth. I'd go backwards, behind the police car or something and aim at the fucker and yell at people to move the fuck away. It would definitely have given enough time for the rest of the cops to arrive as they weren't that far behind.

I guess you disagree, so we'll just have to agree on having different views. I think this could have been handled better, you don't.

lol I love how the narrative has become "he charged them with a knife!" no, he didn't. Even if he did, Paradox (sorry about that killer dachshund line btw, couldn't resist), the PO's should have maintained a better distance. anyway, done with this discussion. It's an important one to have though.

sorry guys, i watched the video, i wrote that before watching. defs shouldve been tasered and not shot. i mean his top speed there was a brisk walk. lol murika!

[big baby]

and over militarized culture.

yeah those guys had so much riot gear when they shot that dude right before they rolledup in their tank nigg STFU LOST

[millz]

I just can't believe that we are even considering the idea of shooting someone in the foot or leg or firing warning shots. That to me is laughable. It is so far from the scope of reality. Maybe you guys believe we should arm police with smiles and rainbow dust

They responded to a call for a armed suspect. Tasers are not for armed suspects, but let's entertain that idea for a second. So they pull up and see an aggressive armed suspect and draw their guns (appropriate). Now let's say one of the officers decides to holster his weapon and pull his taser out. You do realize it is scientifically proven that in the time it takes him to draw his weapon and rapidly fire 2 shots center mass the man with the knife can cover 21ft if he chooses to rush the cop. Now your expecting him to make that decision in that short time and holster a weapon on top of it when the guy is significantly closer than what is legally and scientifically determined as lethal range. You are literally asking this man to unnecessarily risk his life to a point further than it already is on a daily basis. And not only are you asking him to do this you are asking him to do this in an encounter that took less than 15seconds. This wasn't something that was talked and talked and talked and then escalated. This was at 100mph the second they got out of the vehicle.

[Paradox]

The guy was walking towards him at 5kmph, pretty sure you can shoot a guy walking towards you at a toddlers pace with a tazer, miss, pepper spray him, miss, do a jig and handstand, miss then fire your gun.

[Diode]

I just can't believe that we are even considering the idea of shooting someone in the foot or leg or firing warning shots. That to me is laughable. It is so far from the scope of reality. Maybe you guys believe we should arm police with smiles and rainbow dust

They responded to a call for a armed suspect. Tasers are not for armed suspects, but let's entertain that idea for a second. So they pull up and see an aggressive armed suspect and draw their guns (appropriate). Now let's say one of the officers decides to holster his weapon and pull his taser out. You do realize it is scientifically proven that in the time it takes him to draw his weapon and rapidly fire 2 shots center mass the man with the knife can cover 21ft if he chooses to rush the cop. Now your expecting him to make that decision in that short time and holster a weapon on top of it when the guy is significantly closer than what is legally and scientifically determined as lethal range. You are literally asking this man to unnecessarily risk his life to a point further than it already is on a daily basis. And not only are you asking him to do this you are asking him to do this in an encounter that took less than 15seconds. This wasn't something that was talked and talked and talked and then escalated. This was at 100mph the second they got out of the vehicle.

i am very much not in the mood to agree with millz right now, but srs, guys.

they followed the rules.

[millz]

Diode secretly loves me. It's ok. I love you to. No romo

[Greed]

Worldstar got a video of a dude getting shot by police in san Diego over not paying a bus fare. Shot him in the back.

This is an issue.

This is not. This particular instance is not.

No time to switch back to taser. He was moving erratically. Shooting his pinky toe would have been a waste of a bullet. One, maybe two steps closer the police would of had to turn and run.

He fucked up. Leave these specific police alone and focus that argument on better training overall.

Edit: millz covered the taser switch but I wasnt bout to read all that. But then I did. So...

[uh-oh]

i like how you guys say police are "trained" to deal with these situations, so they shouldve found a non lethal way to subdue the guy

not realizing that this was by the book how they are trained to stop this type of guy

[Blanco Bishop]

As much as i want to make a case for the dude shot, he fucked up.

They pulled guns out on him. Any reasonable person would have stopped dead in their tracks n cooperated.

He definately wanted to get s.hot

[Objective]

Why they didn't have the tazer ready when they got out of the car is beyond any reasonable logic. There's 2 cops there, 2! 1 to have the tazer ready, 1 to shoot the fucker. Should have ran out and tazered the fucker right off the fucking bat if the only other option is to shoot the guy if he don't calm down. If he charged the other dude could have shot. I mean, what the fuck man. This is some out of routine trigger happy bullshit along with possibly traumatizing several bystanders by what they just witnessed. Great work!

By the book or not I think this could have been handled a lot better.

[Sharp]

I kind of agree with you objective, it would be nice to see everyone walk away from the incident alive, but these guys would have to put themselves in a very risky spot to do that. He had a potentially deadly weapon on him and was getting exceedingly close to them. If one tried to tase him that would put him in a very risky situation

[oats]

edit: drunk, sorry

[dead man]

shocking there isn't an officer of the law registered here who can offer a more experienced perspective on the matter.

but yeah idk. guy provoked the police and they reacted the same way (i believe) he thought they would. whether they were "right" or "wrong" is a very fine line. apparently Diode knows everything about law enforcement protocol so according to him (and a few others) they were well within their rights to take this man's life.

whats more problematic is the humanitarian issues at hand. we all know that legality and ethics are far removed from one another.

does anybody watch the news regularly? is this being covered?

[Diode]

shocking there isn't an officer of the law registered here who can offer a more experienced perspective on the matter.

but yeah idk. guy provoked the police and they reacted the same way (i believe) he thought they would. whether they were "right" or "wrong" is a very fine line. apparently Diode knows everything about law enforcement protocol so according to him (and a few others) they were well within their rights to take this man's life.

whats more problematic is the humanitarian issues at hand. we all know that legality and ethics are far removed from one another.

does anybody watch the news regularly? is this being covered?

no, the place diode trains at is owned by the top federal marshal in SC and is a former secret service agent. we also have a county cop and a local cop at the gym. we've been discussing this a lot lately.

my uncle is also a recently retired county sheriff up north.

you shoot at center mass, if that fails, you shoot the head. you can't shoot to wound - that's a lawsuit first and foremost (maiming) and secondly may not stop the threat.

this guy broke the 21ft rule, period. someone is coming at you with a knife. do you trust that they will be completely rendered motionless if your taser hits? what if it misses? can you go from taser->gun and fire enough shots and hit to stop him in time?

watch the mythbusters on closing distance with a knife vs. a handgun. might open your eyes a bit on your expectation.

[StarFaggot]

Somebody charge me with a knife at that slow speed he was I prolly shoot him in the stomach. This man unloaded 6 shots idc how fast your gun unloads. These cops were pussy. It's broad daylight.

[oats]

all of the people saying it was fine to shoot this dude are operating on the false premise that he "charged them with a knife." Unless there is some other video footage out there, that's just not true.

[uh-oh]

you use "charge" i use "approached"

this video footage clearly shows him do, just that

the video also shows the cops using RESTRAINT.

he takes a step back as the police exit the vehicle yelling "TAKE YOUR HAND OUT OF YOUR POCKET" he takes his hand out while walking TOWARDS the officers, the officers yell repeatedly "DROP THE KNIFE" while he is yelling "SHOOT ME", he stops moving forward/towards them and walks parrallel to them, over that little wall, into that yard. he then begins ADVANCING on the police again.

just watch the video man he is clearly approaching/advancing/whatever you want to call it, and he falls on the sidewalk

watch the video quit being a hippy

[El Muffin]

the fuck is he doing

[Zen]

I think what people are missing, and is what oats is saying, is that the protocol is what's wrong. Regardless of what you feel about this incident, we do have an over militarized police force. Their protocol is to shoot to KILL. What should the policy be changed to? Idk, but when this many people are shot to death by cops it needs to change. It doesn't make anyone feel safer, not even the cops.

[Witty]

There's gonna be a revolution.

Dunno when, dunno how...but it's coming.

And I fear it will be violent.

[Badweather]

To shoot him that many times is excessive then to handcuff a corpse is ridiculous.

I did swat team training while in the military. We're taught to handcuff even seemingly non threats because you don't truly know if they're not a threat. Even innocent hostages get cuffed, it's to prevent loss of life.

[StarFaggot]

I did swat team training while in the military. We're taught to handcuff even seemingly non threats because you don't truly know if they're not a threat. Even innocent hostages get cuffed, it's to prevent loss of life.

There's a thing called common sense.

[Witty]

Yeah if someone is not breathing they probably wont hurt you.

Unless they are zombies.
Zombie

[Badweather]

There's a thing called common sense.

Well, the dude I quoted obviously didn't understand that

[millz]

I think what people are missing, and is what oats is saying, is that the protocol is what's wrong. Regardless of what you feel about this incident, we do have an over militarized police force. Their protocol is to shoot to KILL. What should the policy be changed to? Idk, but when this many people are shot to death by cops it needs to change. It doesn't make anyone feel safer, not even the cops.



You realize that statistically speaking next to zero percent of arrests end in someone being shot to death. With approx 12 million arrests around 400 result in someone of any color being shot to death. That's like 0.00003%

[Witty]

You realize that statistically speaking next to zero percent of arrests end in someone being shot to death. With approx 12 million arrests around 400 result in someone of any color being shot to death. That's like 0.00003%

Compare it with other first world countries and you will see the problem.

[millz]

I'm not saying it isn't a problem, I'm saying it's not anywhere near as big of problem as people and the media are making it out to be. It's no different than the idea of background checks and "assault rifle" bans and mass shootings. Americas priorities are fucked up.

Less than a quarter of a percent of gun deaths are from mass shooting yet we spend 99% of our effort and time talking about that as opposed to trying to make changes to something where efforts actually effect change.

We are focusing 99% of our time and effort talking about white police shooting black males, and completing forgetting to talk about things that actually have huge effects on that same community. Like the fact that they are more likely to be imprisioned for non violent drug crimes. How your more likely to end up on death row. How our monetary system forces them to remain in poverty or how our drug laws have a major hand played in the fact that over 90% of black males are murdered by other black males.

We don't talk about those things because people don't give two shits about real change. They just want this facade of holding hands and being down for the cause to keep their position of power in whatever capacity that is.

The house is on fire and we are worried about changing the batteries in the remote control.

[Diode]

. Their protocol is to shoot to KILL.

wrong.

protocol is to stop the threat.

[Zen]

wrong.

protocol is to stop the threat.

You don't say?

But since wounding them won't stop the threat according to 95% of the people itt, I guess the protocol is to shoot to fucking kill. Why are you disagreeing with me when there's nothing to disagree over?

[Ghost1]

Id say his point against urs is that not every threat calls for deadly force in order to nuetralize a threat nor is deadly force applied against every threat....this is a rarity.

[Witty]

Like bags touching a vagina.

hahahahahahaha

because ur hideous, get it???

jk <3

[PancakeBrah]

There's gonna be a revolution.

Dunno when, dunno how...but it's coming.

And I fear it will be violent.

I hate the killers but I don't believe in the activists.

[Witty]

I hate the killers but I don't believe in the activists.

Precisely.

That's why I fear it will be violent.

[Ghost1]

Like bags touching a vagina.

hahahahahahaha

because ur hideous, get it???

jk <3

OH YEA LULZOID. ....THATS AN ATEROID PROPELLED BY LULZ ...I AM ON THE ASTEROID LULZING TO THE MOON CUZ OF THA5 POST

WOW REALLY STRONG ZTUFF

EXCEPT MINUS ALL OF THAT AND ACTUALLY REPLACE IT WITH FAGGOTHEADEDNESS

U HQVE THAT

CUZ GAY

[Witty]

Too mean.

[Diode]

Id say his point against urs is that not every threat calls for deadly force in order to nuetralize a threat nor is deadly force applied against every threat....this is a rarity.

[uh-oh]

i wish i was a cop so i could call to borrow one of your guys kitchen knives and when you came over to give it to me i would shoot you in the dick

HOW BOUT THAT

[Witty]

i wish i was a cop so i could call to borrow one of your guys kitchen knives and when you came over to give it to me i would shoot you in the dick

HOW BOUT THAT

If it's bags your aim is gonna have to be good.

Not a very big target...according to his sister at least.

jk bags.

[uh-oh]

CUZ BAGS HAS A LITTLE DICK

GOT EM

HEY BAGS HOWS YOUR BEARD GROWING? OH I FORGOT YOU CUT IT AND ARE A WOMAN WITH A CLITDICK

[Witty]

CUZ BAGS HAS A LITTLE DICK

GOT EM

Pretty sure nobody has ever used that as an insult against someone else before, ever...I like to be original.

[Badweather]

back when i was an armed watchstander for the nuclear submarine i was on. we were definitely taught to aim at center mass, with 3 bullets.

maybe both officers shot 3 times?

[millz]

i mean i can believe it would be pretty difficult to count out 3 shots when the adrenaline gets going.

[Badweather]

i mean i can believe it would be pretty difficult to count out 3 shots when the adrenaline gets going.

it's muscle memory. and cops spend waaaaaay more time on the range than i did.

[Diode]

cops spend waaaaaay more time on the range than i did.

you'd be surprised..