Should They Drug Test Welfare Recipients?

[Boredom]

what's your thoughts on this..

i'm saying fuck yes, if i have to take a piss test to go to work.. fuckers should have to take a piss test to get free money.

[Witty]

I love that you guys have to take drug tests for work.

Lolololol

That must suck.

[Strikta]

I don't think it'd be a bad idea.

[veritas]

Sound theory.

[oats]

I think they should be. My tax money pays for the program, I don't want pay for other people's drugs when I got my own to buy. Union=no drug test for me.

[Strikta]

Got a feeling if they did this the rate of homeless ppl would go up drastically.

[SiK]

Got a feeling if they did this the rate of homeless ppl would go up drastically.

Who cares. Let them die off

[Objective]

Who cares. Let them die off

People like you is the reason I hate humanity.

[SiK]

People like you is the reason I hate humanity.

People like you are the reason 8 yr olds still breastfeed

[Loast]

they should have stipulations... if it's too feed your family of young ones than no
if it's to feed just yourself because your not working than yes...

[Objective]

SiK: I'm fine with that tbh.

[Certain]

The taxpayer cost of drug testing that many people on a regular basis would be ridiculous, far exceeding the amount of money denied to the people who failed.

And the poor populations of Colorado and Washington would skyrocket because they have legalized marijuana. That would lead to a backlash against pro-marijuana legislation.

[Rawn M.D.]

I don't think marijuana is the drugs they talking on

but I agree w certain first point

good theory but bad in implementation

[Xnub]

Pots calling kettles black

[oats]

yeah Serpent brings up a good point, I'm really not too familiar with the economics of it all but it sounds pretty unfeasible in practice.

In theory, however, I think an appropriate caveat would be to have the option of welfare money for living expenses (EBT, food stamps, etc) if drug free, and if positive for hard drugs (class 1? I think, idk) then that money is used for rehab purposes.

it's a tough balance, sympathy for the individual but pragmatism for the nation as a whole.

[Rawn M.D.]

Sc 1 drugs have no medical application oats

[PancakeBrah]

Hey Rawn shut the fuck up.

[Rawn M.D.]

Go play w ur diagonal rook cake

[oats]

Sc 1 drugs have no medical application oats

I legitimately have no idea what this means. I just know there are different drug classifications, with "street drugs" being considered the worst/most dangerous. Though as I recall, those classifications themselves were pretty awful.

[Rawn M.D.]

Ya they need to b revised tbh

I just read an article on cnn about how marijuana is improperly classed

[PancakeBrah]

Schedule 1.

[oats]

That's it PancakeBrah. Thanks.

[God Of War]

why drug test them if there on welfare

maybe they feel bad there on welfare and being high makes EM feel better


plus i know some "people" who buy food stamps from other people 50 cent on the dollar SON

[dead man]

yes

[Witty]

Just let people take whatever the fuck they want.

Jesus Christ.

The world fucking sucks, always someone saying what you can and can't do.

Focus on your own lifes people. I work but if a guy wants to waste his life taking drugs and claiming welfare then I think he should be allowed to, idgaf...people talking about where your taxes go, but I think that's retarded cuz u have no idea where YOUR money is going, that's seems like a strange way to think considering how many 'legal' things taxes also go towards which we should probably be much more concerned about. It literally makes no difference at all to my life if a dude wants to throw his life away.

I say let him do it.

[dead man]

usually i agree with you witty, but nah man. the governmental assistance programs in america are failing for this exact reason.

people who are receiving free money, our tax money that is earmarked for that purpose, and spending it on sawbucks to smoke while they watch cartoons are wasting both our money and their time that could be spent bettering their situation. i don't want to pay for some asshole's drug habit as a matter of principle. same way i would not ask anyone to pay for mine.

if you want to do drugs and waste your life, that is absolutely fine by me. but when you're doing it on somebody elses dollar, you're a bottom-feeding shithead. regardless of the specific numbers on tax distribution. fuck that.

[veritas]

I used to think exactly like witty when I used to sell drugs like "fuck it they gon get it from somewhere"


but then I grew up.

I have my own family that I work hard for to support and I pay taxes....I don't mind paying for someone to live while they get back on their feet, I do mind paying for someone to live in a manner which will perpetually keep me having to pay for him to live.

CASE CLOSED.

[God Of War]

Lol as witty said you have no idea where ur money is going you should worry more about gassing someone's Mercedes then what drug someone takes some people actually can't afford medicines n shit like weed helps them be able to function plus no one complains when most you faggots claim extravagant shit on your taxes to get tons more back then you should be getting

[God Of War]

I'm tired of paying taxes in so u crybabies can get a few extra dollars for having a kid

[Boredom]

i'm not talking weed, DUH.

i'm talking crack heads with 6 fucking kids leaching off of society and contributing absolutely nothing positive towards it accept for a higher crime rate.

[God Of War]

i'm not talking weed, DUH.

i'm talking crack heads with 6 fucking kids leaching off of society and contributing absolutely nothing positive towards it accept for a higher crime rate.

Still going to cost more to test everyone where u think that's coming from? Also dudes pass drug tesrs everyday when they high as fuck so in the long run for it to even be worth it us have to test hair Nd that's cost even more

[Certain]

Crack, heroin and crystal meth all wash out of your system way too quickly to make this effective unless you did random testing, which is even more expensive and would lead to lawsuits. Hell, wrongful positive drug tests costing people welfare money would become a cottage industry among lawyers.

[God Of War]

Crack, heroin and crystal meth all wash out of your system way too quickly to make this effective unless you did random testing, which is even more expensive and would lead to lawsuits. Hell, wrongful positive drug tests costing people welfare money would become a cottage industry among lawyers.

Plus as you said wrongful positives shit like Prevacid can make you have a false positive for heroine lol so fuck drug testing anyone

[uh-oh]

i have no problem with them drug testing welfare recipients

i have no problem with them drug testing anything that refers to government aid. they should drug test people applying for grants in college too.

this wouldnt help completely but it would put a big dent into the trash of society mooching off the government

but word i know people who sell there foodstamps, and they dont do drugs, but there significant other does. so they would end up beating the system. i also know a girl who will take a college test in your name to get your grant money for you and keep a percentage. again she doesnt do drugs so she would beat the system

but im sure there is a majority that would fail.

honestly i think welfare is retarded anyways. if you bring kids into this world and you can't support them you have failed at life, your kids should be taken from you

if you dont have kids and you need welfare, you should be forced to do community service in some fashion to get your welfare

no free handouts. theres potholes to be filled and trash to be picked up

[God Of War]

i have no problem with them drug testing welfare recipients

i have no problem with them drug testing anything that refers to government aid. they should drug test people applying for grants in college too.

this wouldnt help completely but it would put a big dent into the trash of society mooching off the government

but word i know people who sell there foodstamps, and they dont do drugs, but there significant other does. so they would end up beating the system. i also know a girl who will take a college test in your name to get your grant money for you and keep a percentage. again she doesnt do drugs so she would beat the system

but im sure there is a majority that would fail.

honestly i think welfare is retarded anyways. if you bring kids into this world and you can't support them you have failed at life, your kids should be taken from you

if you dont have kids and you need welfare, you should be forced to do community service in some fashion to get your welfare

no free handouts. theres potholes to be filled and trash to be picked up
I know dudes with master degrees who have traveled 5 or 6 states to find work and can't its hard to find a job and do community service or it ends up like the people in Michigan who have to work 60 hours a week at a job 50 miles away for less then minimum wage just to get help and not be with a kid at all plus drug tests cost money to people shouldn't be punished for falling on hard times if I can help a fucking senator get a Benz I can help a mans family eat

[uh-oh]

that man doesnt deserve a family. he knew what position he was in when he nutted in his bitch. now he is a burden on society.

you are well off. you might have money to spare to help him and his family eat. the taxes that get taken out of my check destroy me. im worried about myself, not a bunch of other people.

if i can suck up my pride and work a job i hate, i expect others to do so as well

that dude with the masters degree can get a job at mcdonalds. he can live in an efficency apartment, and he can get by until he finds a job in his field. he needs no help from the government, he needs to help himself.

this is america niggas. go get it.

[God Of War]

that man doesnt deserve a family. he knew what position he was in when he nutted in his bitch. now he is a burden on society.

you are well off. you might have money to spare to help him and his family eat. the taxes that get taken out of my check destroy me. im worried about myself, not a bunch of other people.

if i can suck up my pride and work a job i hate, i expect others to do so as well

that dude with the masters degree can get a job at mcdonalds. he can live in an efficency apartment, and he can get by until he finds a job in his field. he needs no help from the government, he needs to help himself.

this is america niggas. go get it.

thats not the case everywhere your not thinking correctly just because you can get a job any where doesnt mean he can. people do not get hired for being over qualified for jobs i've seen it plenty of times the shit is not a myth. some people with familys work hard and then fall upon hard times. just because your doing good today and decide to start a family doesn't mean 2 years from now your going to be doing as good things happen constantly...as i said your worrying about helping someones family eat but your not complaining about helping a government official take a vacation. either way your going to come out the money. so what would you rather see it do ?

[uh-oh]

i'm not surrounded by government officials who take vacations. im surrounded by the scum of society who use the government aid to support there drug habits and themselves, while they do nothing.

thats the reality i see everyday. the same reality where every fast food place has a now hiring sign, the same place where grocery stores always need help, the same place where wal mart always needs people etc. the same place where car dealerships need lot boys to wash and move cars, the same place where landscaping companies need people to trim bushes and cut grass, the same place where etc etc

you are never over qualified for those jobs^. they aren't gonna turn you away because you have a masters degree

im not against it if you are a family that has fallen on hard times, but while your kids are at school, im gonna need you to work for the aid you get. the mom can do some type of community service, the dad can do something, even if its only a few hours a day

its ridiculous our society is willing to give people money for nothing. i am whole heartedly against that. espescially when people who worked their whole lives can't support themselves off the social security they have been paying into there whole lives

the system is backwards, it gives rewards to those who don't work for them, and punishes those who did

[God Of War]

i'm not surrounded by government officials who take vacations. im surrounded by the scum of society who use the government aid to support there drug habits and themselves, while they do nothing.

thats the reality i see everyday. the same reality where every fast food place has a now hiring sign, the same place where grocery stores always need help, the same place where wal mart always needs people etc. the same place where car dealerships need lot boys to wash and move cars, the same place where landscaping companies need people to trim bushes and cut grass, the same place where etc etc

you are never over qualified for those jobs^. they aren't gonna turn you away because you have a masters degree

im not against it if you are a family that has fallen on hard times, but while your kids are at school, im gonna need you to work for the aid you get. the mom can do some type of community service, the dad can do something, even if its only a few hours a day

its ridiculous our society is willing to give people money for nothing. i am whole heartedly against that. espescially when people who worked their whole lives can't support themselves off the social security they have been paying into there whole lives

the system is backwards, it gives rewards to those who don't work for them, and punishes those who did


well your neighbor hood is one of the best in america cuz my neighborhood sure the fuck aint got jobs in abundance like that at all. people hold on to there jobs dearly and its just as hard to get a job at mcdonalds as it is an office job here. so your not surrounded by government officials so thats ok? ud rather give money to people you cant see? then donate to haiti ,africa etc. and ive seen tons of people turned down for jobs from the same places you are talking bout. only job I seen accept people like that regularly was rest servers which is hard to get even now because people clam up and grasp at there jobs. maybe every one should move to ur neighborhood bro esp if jobs as available at ease as you claim because they sure are not in alot of other fucking places. alot of people has to drive 40 or 50 miles to try to get a job or even get up and ride a bus for an hour and a half to work and from work. so we living in two different americas

[Witty]

usually i agree with you witty, but nah man. the governmental assistance programs in america are failing for this exact reason.

people who are receiving free money, our tax money that is earmarked for that purpose, and spending it on sawbucks to smoke while they watch cartoons are wasting both our money and their time that could be spent bettering their situation. i don't want to pay for some asshole's drug habit as a matter of principle. same way i would not ask anyone to pay for mine.

if you want to do drugs and waste your life, that is absolutely fine by me. but when you're doing it on somebody elses dollar, you're a bottom-feeding shithead. regardless of the specific numbers on tax distribution. fuck that.

Lol word you're probably right, I just can't find it in myself to care about all that tbh.

I'm gonna be paying taxes either way, I'm not bothered by what others are doing, and honestly their lifestyles will be what they put into it, these are not people who are living happily. I care more about the millionaires abusing tax payer money than a lowlife on the streets.

[God Of War]

Lol word you're probably right, I just can't find it in myself to care about all that tbh.

I'm gonna be paying taxes either way, I'm not bothered by what others are doing, and honestly their lifestyles will be what they put into it, these are not people who are living happily. I care more about the millionaires abusing tax payer money than a lowlife on the streets.

the fact is there is to many cats liek uh oh who worry more about the dude getting 300 bucks for free because he can see him walking down the street then he cares about the senator getting a million for free because he isnt in his neighborhood.

[uh-oh]

well your neighbor hood is one of the best in america cuz my neighborhood sure the fuck aint got jobs in abundance like that at all. people hold on to there jobs dearly and its just as hard to get a job at mcdonalds as it is an office job here. so your not surrounded by government officials so thats ok? ud rather give money to people you cant see? then donate to haiti ,africa etc. and ive seen tons of people turned down for jobs from the same places you are talking bout. only job I seen accept people like that regularly was rest servers which is hard to get even now because people clam up and grasp at there jobs. maybe every one should move to ur neighborhood bro esp if jobs as available at ease as you claim because they sure are not in alot of other fucking places. alot of people has to drive 40 or 50 miles to try to get a job or even get up and ride a bus for an hour and a half to work and from work. so we living in two different americas
you are making excuses for the people who dont WANT to work, and using the fat cats as your defense, when no matter what them same fat cats will always be eating. no matter what. there is no point in complaining about them. there is no laws we can put into place to stop that or hinder it, because they are the people who make the laws lol

maybe instead of giving people money to live in a failed "neighborhood" they can give them a bus ticket to a place where a mcdonalds is hiring.

i refuse to believe you can't leave your house and go get a mcdonalds application and get hired. you are lying. flat out. you might have to go to 5 of them before you get hired. but the jobs are there

and lets pretend for a second that you can't get a shitty job at mcdonalds or a dishwasher or whatever at any place of business. there is the military. they pay great. they'll even pay for you to go to college so you can get out and be overqualified for jobs that dont exist in your "neighborhood".

there are a million ways to make money, and a million and one ways to complain about how you cant.

go get it niggas this isnt somalia

[God Of War]

you are making excuses for the people who dont WANT to work, and using the fat cats as your defense, when no matter what them same fat cats will always be eating. no matter what. there is no point in complaining about them. there is no laws we can put into place to stop that or hinder it, because they are the people who make the laws lol

maybe instead of giving people money to live in a failed "neighborhood" they can give them a bus ticket to a place where a mcdonalds is hiring.

i refuse to believe you can't leave your house and go get a mcdonalds application and get hired. you are lying. flat out. you might have to go to 5 of them before you get hired. but the jobs are there

and lets pretend for a second that you can't get a shitty job at mcdonalds or a dishwasher or whatever at any place of business. there is the military. they pay great. they'll even pay for you to go to college so you can get out and be overqualified for jobs that dont exist in your "neighborhood".

there are a million ways to make money, and a million and one ways to complain about how you cant.

go get it niggas this isnt somalia


still false, I got family who go out every day and try to get a job dude is a cook and has been for 15 years. no rest is hiring because the staff they have in house has been there for ages and no one is willing ot let go of a job even the shitty ones. so he goes 2 or 3 cities over. the rest who does have work says he is to over qualified for there position when he says he will take a paycut they say its more of a position for people starting out and theyd hate to have a seasoned cook work for that price. dude has a family 2 kids, was working at a huge rest when he had both of em. economy went down rest went under hard for him to find steady work since. day job places from the state has lines 2 miles long every day and it only gives job for jobs that are needing day people. dont fucking tell me its that easy or simple because it isnt. I help him out as much as I can because I know he is going through it he refused to get help from the government for almost a year and a half before he had to so he wouldn't lose his apartment and so his kids wouldnt lose there meals. so yeah you may think its easy to get a job and it may be where you are but here its not and in alot of places its not that story about my family member isnt a rare incident its a fucking common thing here

[uh-oh]

its common everywhere. your dude is trying to get his old job. good luck with that. he could go get work at mcdonalds right now as a cook. french fry station yo. no one wants to do that shit but its a cold world. there might not be skilled jobs available. he aint gonna be able to get his old wage. his womans gonna have to go get one too.

when i say there is jobs im talking minimum wage shit. go get one. get two if you need to. they are out there no matter what. you know how many fucking mcdonalds there are in 1 city let alone 3? burger king, churchs chicken, popeyes, kfc, rallys, checkers, hardees, carls jr, wendys, etc etc. a million fucking fast food chains. a million gas stations. not really a million but tons of opportunities for work gas stations drive thru's bar's etc.

you aint gonna just find the perfect job immediately if ever. crabs in a barrel. you get knocked down with the rest of the crabs, they aint gonna pick you back up and put you right where you were at lol

also

Active duty Army - 42
Army Reserves - 42
Army Natinal Guard - 42
Active duty Air Force - 27
Air Force Reserve - 34
Air National guard - 34
Active duty Navy - 34
Navy Reserves - 39
Active duty Marines - 28
Marine Corps Reserves - 29
Active duty Coast Guard - 27
Coast Guard Reserves - 27

cut off age for enlistment in the military. all pay enough to live off of comfortably.

but word yo sometimes you gotta realize where your at and when the lifestyle you did live is gone and you can't hold on. your kids gotta be raised in the hood. they might have to share a room while you sleep on the couch. you gotta get it tho however possible

the government helping you shouldnt be an option imo

just my views and all i really got for it

[Diode]

let's see.

drugs cost money (we'll exclude MMJ where legal)
you are so poor that you need government assistance to fund your life
we have a way of making sure you aren't spending those funds on drugs

hmmm..

works for me.

[God Of War]

its common everywhere. your dude is trying to get his old job. good luck with that. he could go get work at mcdonalds right now as a cook. french fry station yo. no one wants to do that shit but its a cold world. there might not be skilled jobs available. he aint gonna be able to get his old wage. his womans gonna have to go get one too.

when i say there is jobs im talking minimum wage shit. go get one. get two if you need to. they are out there no matter what. you know how many fucking mcdonalds there are in 1 city let alone 3? burger king, churchs chicken, popeyes, kfc, rallys, checkers, hardees, carls jr, wendys, etc etc. a million fucking fast food chains. a million gas stations. not really a million but tons of opportunities for work gas stations drive thru's bar's etc.

you aint gonna just find the perfect job immediately if ever. crabs in a barrel. you get knocked down with the rest of the crabs, they aint gonna pick you back up and put you right where you were at lol

also

Active duty Army - 42
Army Reserves - 42
Army Natinal Guard - 42
Active duty Air Force - 27
Air Force Reserve - 34
Air National guard - 34
Active duty Navy - 34
Navy Reserves - 39
Active duty Marines - 28
Marine Corps Reserves - 29
Active duty Coast Guard - 27
Coast Guard Reserves - 27

cut off age for enlistment in the military. all pay enough to live off of comfortably.

but word yo sometimes you gotta realize where your at and when the lifestyle you did live is gone and you can't hold on. your kids gotta be raised in the hood. they might have to share a room while you sleep on the couch. you gotta get it tho however possible

the government helping you shouldnt be an option imo

just my views and all i really got for it


its not a big city here it dont work like that here. the biggest city close to here is an hour an hour and a half away there is no bus systems there is no car pools there.....as I said every town or city isn't like yours

[God Of War]

let's see.

drugs cost money (we'll exclude MMJ where legal)
you are so poor that you need government assistance to fund your life
we have a way of making sure you aren't spending those funds on drugs

hmmm..

works for me.

the costs for the drug tests is going to be more then the welfare

[Diode]

the costs for the drug tests is going to be more then the welfare

cite sources.

a standard gas chromatography test is dirt cheap, especially at GSA rates.

[God Of War]

cite sources.

a standard gas chromatography test is dirt cheap, especially at GSA rates.

you realise how much it costs us to drug test parolees/etc alone? welfare would be 2 to 3 times that.

[Split]

a lot of people here seem to think our country wouldn't run without a welfare program

[Diode]

you realise how much it costs us to drug test parolees/etc alone? welfare would be 2 to 3 times that.

http://www.delmonte.com/media/product/product_photo_202.png

[God Of War]

cite sources.

a standard gas chromatography test is dirt cheap, especially at GSA rates.

In the four months that Florida's law was in place, the state drug tested 4,086 TANF applicants. A mere 108 individuals tested positive. To put it another way, only 2.6 percent of applicants tested positive for illegal drugs — a rate more than three times lower than the 8.13 percent of all Floridians, age 12 and up, estimated by the federal government to use illegaldrugs. Now might be a good time to remind folks that in the debate over the bill, Gov. Rick Scott argued that this law was necessary because, he said, welfare recipients used drugs at a higher rate than the general population.

The utter absurdity of this law is magnified when you realize how much it cost the state of Florida to run this program. The data released today shows that Florida spent $118,140 reimbursing the overwhelming number of Florida TANF applicants — 3,938 to be exact — who tested negative for drugs. That is far more than any money saved by the program, at a net cost to the State of over $45,000 And that's only part of the cost to the state to run this program. There are also the administrative costs, staff costs

[Diode]

that is some good copypasta, but where is the sauce?

[God Of War]

http://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform-racial-justice/just-we-suspected-florida-saved-nothing-drug-testing-welfare

[oats]

I don't think anyone is suggesting that our country wouldn't function without welfare, but in a civilized society it's important to not let people just die off. I know in the Midwest during the winter there are govt programs that bus homeless people south because they'd die off living in the streets of Nebraska and shit. Would society be fine of that happened? Of course, but these are people, regardless of their mistakes or circumstances.

I like uh-oh's idea about requiring some form of community service in order to receive welfare. Pretty much every school everywhere in the country could use some volunteer help. Streets have shit on them. Etc. but do something. I have students who carry their parents' EBT card on them and have vocally told me "I'm gonna drop out of school and live off welfare cuz I get 800 bucks a month to do nothing." This is not a single incidence, this is 3 students in the last 2 year, in an affluent neighborhood no less. Better believe there are countless kids across the country thinking the exact same thing. That's my beef with welfare, it breeds the mindset of "I don't really need to do anything, I'm fine being on welfare perpetually."

At the very least, the welfare amount should be gradually reduced, have some kind of incentive to get people to start to live self-sustainably. I agree with gow/serpent though because the cost of administering drug tests would be counter productive, but something needs to be done.

End of the day, I'm with uh oh on this. The amount of money I get taxed is devastating, and I have a legitimate career plus (until recently) two part time jobs. So I'm not cool with paying to support other people's bullshit, where's someone to support mine? Give me a federal bailout and we'll call it even, but I'm being punished for doing shit the right way, and that's fucked up n